Now The Musical Chairs Have Stopped
The News Record reports from Wyoming. “The local real estate market hasn’t gone cold, but the red hot sales of recent years may have tempered themselves in recent weeks. Agents from across Gillette say the housing market agreed this week that prices have begun to level off as more new houses get a ‘For Sale’ sign in front of them.”
“‘The good news for sellers is home prices have gone up and up and up and up,’ said broker Pat Avery. ‘Since 1985 they have gone up … this is the first time it has leveled off.’”
“Some segments of the market may even be turning slightly downward.”
“‘There’s a lot more new housing than there was in the past, and that’s created a drop in pricing in the used housing market,’ said Ben Novotny with Prudential Preferred Properties. ‘I’m seeing a 5 percent to 7 percent decrease in the used housing market.’”
“For people like Sue Hight, the leveling off came at an inconvenient time, just as she and her husband were trying to sell their Saunders subdivision home. After buying the house in 2005 and renovating it, the couple put their home on the market for $350,000 in May.”
“Almost six months later the home is priced at $315,000 and Hight thinks it may have to come down again.”
“To make matters worse, the Hights are now stuck with two houses after buying another home in Foothills subdivision. Both are for sale and if one doesn’t sell soon, they’ll have to start renting one to recover costs. In the meantime, their possessions are split between the two houses. ‘We’ve got part of it in this house, part of it in the other house because we want to see which one sells first,’ she said.”
“Anecdotally, many real estate agents say the character of the Gillette market is changing. ‘Sellers are having to adjust their mindsets,’ said broker Kevin Beck. ‘You’re seeing sellers that are willing to negotiate on price, willing to help pay closing costs, offer upgrade allowances, things we haven’t seen in a while.’”
“‘I think there might be a little bit of a correction,’said Jeff Riesland, chairman of the MLS. Riesland said the increase in newly built houses has left some homeowners trying to sell homes at the top of the market out in the cold.”
“‘I think a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon a little bit late,’ he said.”
“Brandon Kieson is another person trying to get money out of his house as he looks to sell. He’s reduced his price on his Sage Bluffs home by $10,000 to $215,000 since listing it over the summer.”
“‘When I bought my house, there were 79 (houses) on the market,’ he said. On Friday, there were 368 homes listed in and around Gillette.”
“‘There are just so many houses on the market,’ Kieson said. ‘I guess over $200,000 is a lot of money for people, too.’”
The Rural Northwest from Idaho. “For the first time in the six months, Boundary County’s plunging jobless rate has taken a significant hit.”
“After dropping below the 5-percent unemployment mark since April - a level Boundary County has not seen since 1989 - the county saw its seasonally adjusted jobless rate shoot up to 6 percent in October, a 1.7 percent increase from one month ago.”
“Regional labor economist Kathryn Tacke with Idaho Department of Labor, acknowledged that the growing possibility of a national recession is throwing a scare into many economists’ crystal balls.”
“‘There are more clouds out there regarding that, especially with the downturn of housing starts on the national level,’ she said. ‘It’s a scary prospect for Boundary County, since it relies so heavily on the timber industry.’”
The Oregonian. “The number of homes and condos sold in central Oregon is down about 41 percent from the same period last year, and the number of days a home spends on the market is up by a third.”
“A similar housing slowdown is under way in southern Oregon’s Jackson County, until recently another real estate boom area, especially in Ashland. Between June 2006 and 2007, Jackson County lost about 556 housing-related jobs…a drop of more than 11 percent.”
“Homebuyers in Bend, once as thick in the streets as Subaru wagons, have all but disappeared. That’s left people such as Cathy Cirillo struggling for months trying to sell their homes, sometimes while dealing with rising mortgage payments.”
‘”I just haven’t had any viable buyers,’ said Cirillo, who listed her manufactured home in south Bend on July 1 for $184,900 and has been dropping the price ever since. She is now trying to sell the house on a large lot for $169,900.”
“‘We all got so spoiled. We just stuck a sign in the ground and it would sell,’ said Carolyn Emick, a broker in Bend. ‘We have so much inventory here and no buyers.’”
“Cracks have been showing for much of the year, with no letup in sight. In August, builders got approval for about 173 new homes, condos and apartments. That is down two-thirds from two years ago.”
“Across central Oregon this year it was common to see for-sale signs posted with the first buds of spring, faded by summer’s sun and pelted by the gusted aspen leaves of fall.”
“The trend is as pronounced in southern Oregon’s Jackson County, where the rush up in home prices and building was similarly frenzied. The loss of about 556 housing-related jobs between June 2006 and 2007 is just from company payroll, so it doesn’t cover self-employed Realtors or contractors.”
“Jackson County also had one of the country’s highest rates of speculative buying, which inflated home values. As of last spring it has the highest rate of foreclosures in the state, according to Loan Performance. Twelve percent of subprime loans in the Medford area were at least 60 days delinquent, compared with 8 percent in Portland.”
“‘Three years ago the biggest, grandest holiday parties were thrown by Realtors and mortgage brokers. This year I don’t think that’s going to be the case,’ said Guy Tauer, regional state economist for southwest Oregon.”
“Tauer and his wife cashed in when the market was good, buying a three-bedroom place for $180,000 in summer 2005 and reselling it for a profit eight weeks later.”
“‘Now the musical chairs have stopped,’ he said. ‘If we did the same thing a year later we probably would have a rental right now and be wondering whether we could sell it for what it’s mortgaged for.’”
The News Tribune from Washington. “At a time when home builders beckon with shopping sprees and new TVs, new-home sales show a surprising range of fluctuation around the South Sound.”
“In the Fife area, for example, sales on new-construction homes through Oct. 30 are down 65 percent compared to the same period a year ago, according to statistics from the Northwest MLS. Countywide, new-home sales dropped 39.8 percent through Oct. 30 this year compared to the same several months of 2006. Sales activity for all homes in Pierce County declined through September by 40.5 percent.”
“Most areas had more homes for sale this week than the amount they’ve sold all year.”
“Among the worst off is the Bonney Lake area, which had 391 homes listed this week as sales through the end of October dropped 51.1 percent year-over-year. Just 156 homes have been sold in that area this year.”
The Heraldnet from Washington. “Real estate agent Teresa Sifferman ticks off the virtues of an Everett home she is trying to sell: the cathedral entryway, the chef’s kitchen, the big yard, the designer colors, the coffered ceilings in the formal dining room.”
“A year ago, this squeaky-clean home probably would have garnered multiple offers and a quick sale at the original $469,000 asking price. Now it’s a different story.”
“The home has lingered on the market for more than two months, even after the real estate agent dropped the asking price three times, a reduction of $40,000.”
“‘Sellers are getting panicky, slashing prices and taking lower offers, that’s what I’m seeing in Snohomish County,’ said Sifferman, an agent in Lynnwood. ‘At our weekly sales meetings agents are saying open houses are dead, buyers aren’t showing up.’”
“‘Two and three years ago, the sales prices used to be the starting point. Now it’s the ending point,’ said Nathan Gorton, executive officer for the Snohomish County-Camano Association of Realtors.”
“Inventory has swelled from this time last year, it’s up more than 50 percent countywide and 71 percent in Everett and Mukilteo, according to statistics from the Northwest MLS.”
“Inventory is up partly because a boom in new construction outstripped demand, Gorton said.”
“Leah Lang and her family recently bought a home in the Northshore School District. A year ago, four or five homes that met the family’s budget and criteria might have been on the market, said their agent, Barbara Athanas in Bothell. This year, she showed them 42.”
“Lang said that while the selection wasn’t as good as she would have liked, she previewed dozens online and visited dozens in their $800,000 price range. When one seller wouldn’t budge $4,000 on the asking price, the couple walked. Lang drove by that house recently, noting that after two months, the For Sale sign is still up.”
“‘Sellers don’t get it yet,’ Athanas said. ‘They have to put in some effort.’”
“In order to get the attention of buyers, sellers need to price the home realistically, and what’s realistic today might be less than what the house would have sold for six months ago, said Vern Holden, a broker based in Mill Creek.”
“‘Sellers have got to get out of the mode that my neighbor sold his for ‘X’ last year,’ he said. ‘They have to be in tune with the market at this moment.’”
‘Foreclosure filings in Oregon jumped 53% in July, August and September, compared with the third quarter of 2006.’
Glad to see some cracks in Wyoming. The now familiar symmetry is interesting. Prices rise and builders build, then inventory starts to outpace sales, but prices still increase. Then one day, ‘all this inventory is driving down prices!’
Seems to be the same story everywhere .Once the inventory goes up ,which is always does in ponzi schemes because when everybody wants out nobody wants in ,the prices crash .
To bad a high % of this home buying was from people who had no intentions of holding the property long term or even living in the home or condo . Everybody needs to sell at the same time .
I wonder how many tracts have houses that have one owner on 2 or 3 of the houses, like the couple in the above article ?Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket .Wouldn’t it be clear to that builder’s special lender that some of the houses were going to be investments and a higher down payment should of been required ? Oh well ,damage done already .
I remember the late 80’s crash in Wyoming. Banks were offering free rent to keep homes full to keep them from being vandalized in places like Medicine Bow, Hanna, Jeffrey City, Kemmerer, and Rawlins. A could have had all the free houses I wanted just to move them out of Jeffrey City. Quite a few four-plex’s were moved to Laramie. We’ll see the same situation again. Anything over 150k in Gillette would have to be pretty special.
http://www.portlandhousing.blogspot.com
“‘The good news for sellers is home prices have gone up and up and up and up,’ said broker Pat Avery. ‘Since 1985 they have gone up … this is the first time it has leveled off.’”
Just like throwing a rock in the air. It goes up, up, and up, levels off, and then comes down, down, and down.
It always cracks me up when these guys flat-out describe a housing bubble, and then are amazed that it pops!
hey ben, does the time fall back in AZ? i just noticed the time on the post was an hour ahead of CA. just wondering.
No, we don’t do the time change thing here.
now i know where i need to move to! i hate the spring forward the most. i wish they would leave it alone, its very hard to get used to.
“In the Fife area, for example, sales on new-construction homes through Oct. 30 are down 65 percent compared to the same period a year ago, according to statistics from the Northwest MLS. Countywide, new-home sales dropped 39.8 percent through Oct. 30 this year compared to the same several months of 2006. Sales activity for all homes in Pierce County declined through September by 40.5 percent.”
Hooray! Hooray! Hoorayhoorayhooray!
Gimme more news like this—its’s nectar for the eyes.
A friend of mine grew up in Fife; he sounds so wistful when he describes how it was once a pretty little rural place, dotted with farms, lots of daffodils. I’ve never seen it like that. It’s fairly gawd-awful now.
It does have great soils …most of which is now under pavement.
Despite the great soils, etc., Fife is a dump. In fact, the entire Pierce County area is going to get throttled. People don’t earn enough money to afford the ridiculous prices. Pain is on the horizon.
I believe this was the tune the band was playing, when the music stopped…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbI5K0AzNHI
I like to think that my eldest son (whose name was also James Douglas, like Jim Morrison’s name, and who regarded Jim Morrison as one of his heroes) is partying away with Jim Morrison on another plane.
LOL
Just listened and it was great.
LOL
“I think there might be a little bit of a correction,’said Jeff Riesland”
Funny
I believe the last time there was a similar correction Noah built an ark. Now people are actually going to have to pay for their home. Meltdown is coming at Cit Group etc.
Pay back that HELOC? How un-American!
As we watch more an more restrictions placed upon mortgages over the next five months… then we’ll really see the music stop.
And yet people still are expecting a spring bounce… Sigh. Human mass psychology is rather interesting…
Got popcorn?
Neil
Those home ownership levels are so high already. WHo the heck would be buying anyway?
I saw a report (that I assume was wrong) but it indicated 18 million vacant residencies in the US. Most of what I’m seeing over at CR is around 2 million (not sure if condos are in there as well). Either way seems like total market saturation.
I also think the fence along the border with Mexico will have the unintended consequence of keeping the Mexican’s from leaving. As they leave the vacancy problem will only get worse and the population may begin to decline.
There will be a spring bounce. At least the NAR will trumpet sales increases from Jan/Feb to March April. If that doesn’t happen… depression here we come.
“I also think the fence along the border with Mexico will have the unintended consequence of keeping the Mexicans from leaving.”
The Mexicans don’t have to sneak across the border to enter Mexico. They can go through the border crossing just as everyone else does.
The fence we build to keep ‘the other’ out, will someday keep us in.
fences don’t keep people in or out.
only fear.
Yes, he says: “‘I think there might be a little bit of a correction,’said Jeff Riesland, chairman of the MLS.”
Or “We got a little bit ahead of ourselves.”
Or “The market is taking a breather.”
Or “Housing will be flat for a quarter or two”.
When these types of comments are being uttered by the conflicted interests, you can bet it is a disaster.
Roidy
How about: “just going through a rough patch.” nasty, itchy, flakey, red
Central Oregon realtors are now saying, “Oh yes, there is a housing bubble ‘out there’ … but not here. We are different here in the Willamette Valley.” But clearly the inventory is way up, sales take longer, sellers are dropping prices $10k at a time. However, there are sales — believe it or not, people here are still buying. Looks to me like this section of Oregon is running about a year behind the rest of the world. Or maybe they are different here. Ya’ think?
‘believe it or not, people here are still buying.’
Also following what we saw in all the other, now-falling markets. You have to exhaust the GFs first.
The saying is, “When Portland catches a cold, Bend gets pneumonia.”
I think it will be a pneumonic winter in Bend. Yes, Oregon in general runs six months behind the rest of the country (on the way down) and a year behind on the way up.
Well, this time around I think it was:
“When California catches a cold, Bend gets flesh-eating virus.”
“‘There are just so many houses on the market,’ Kieson said. ‘I guess over $200,000 is a lot of money for people, too.’”
This is the best news from above. There are so many people in the Seattle area that think that $500K is a starter house … when people have to payoff the mortgage for 30 years … they start to rethink
Quote:
“‘There are just so many houses on the market,’ Kieson said. ‘I guess over $200,000 is a lot of money for people, too.’”
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To me $200,000 is not only ‘a lot of money for people, too’, it is a WHOLE SHIT LOAD of ‘a lot of money for people, too’. If you are an engineer in TX, you probably make about 70K a year before tax, health insurance, 401K contribution, prepaid-health care cost, etc… Thus when every thing is being said and done, from that gross 70K you will probably end up bringing home about 40K if you are lucky. 200K is 5 times of 40K. That’s 5 years of your life working your ASS off to pay for a house. So yes to me 200K is a lot of money…
Damn, I feel good when I heard story about housing bubble. Oh, by the way, next month which is 12/2007 is when I am paying off my house in a total time of 8 years and 5 months. Try that, you bubble blower !
$350,000 in Gillette Wyoming? You’ve got to be kidding!
I know, prices have so drastically gotten out of whack that people are just numb to it, IMO.
Yeah, I totally agree. I’m looking forward to the day when $200K is a lot of money again.
That’s never going to happen if the Fed has anything to say about the matter.
Pain will cure the numbness problem.
“Some segments of the market may even be turning slightly downward.”
After I read this, all I could picture in my mind was the final flight of the Hindenberg.
Oh the humanity!!
Re-sets, Foreclosures, Bankruptcies, Credit Crunch, Taxes and Next Springs Housing DEBTS should do more than wilt next Spring’s Crop of GF’s.
Sellers, GF’s and even old Missouri Mules, tend to get the MESSAGE after the second or third WHACK of a 2×4 to the side of their heads.
I love the smell of dying TULIPS in the Morning
You might say they bought at the Hight of the Housing Bubble…
“For people like Sue Hight, the leveling off came at an inconvenient time, just as she and her husband were trying to sell their Saunders subdivision home. After buying the house in 2005 and renovating it, the couple put their home on the market for $350,000 in May.”
Oh, sorry to inconvenience you Sue! We’ll get right back to buying just for you. Sheesh.
She bought to “renovate” (read, new countertops) and flip.
Since when do we feel sorry for someone with a shaky business plan that strikes out?
You’re seeing sellers that are willing to negotiate on price, willing to help pay closing costs, offer upgrade allowances, things we haven’t seen in a while.’”
WILLING?
Ha. Either take my price or nothing.
“‘Sellers have got to get out of the mode that my neighbor sold his for ‘X’ last year,’ he said. ‘They have to be in tune with the market at this moment.’”
and the market is falling so better sell for lower price and prices head even lower. Sell it at reduced price now or get an even lower price later.
LOL!
Damn i am a bitter renter. lol!
she previewed dozens online and visited dozens in their $800,000 price range. When one seller wouldn’t budge $4,000 on the asking price, the couple walked.
4000 x 100 / 800000 = 0.5% Those homeowners seriously wouldn’t give in to 0.5%?
And, $169K for a “manufactured home” on a “large lot?” That double wide better be on 20 acres at least.
When one seller wouldn’t budge $4,000 on the asking price, the couple walked.
Probably Realtor® owned…..
This spring, mobile homes in VT on small lots (less than 5 acres) were going for $120K to $150K. depending on condition. That makes the improved lot worth somewhere in the range of $80 - $90K, which is probably double what an improved lot should be worth.
The interesting thing about Gillette, WY is that there is a large influx of new residents due to the booming coal and petrochemical industry. There is a lot of mining jobs in the open pit coal mines near Gillette. I guess the increase in RE costs have increase higher than the population.
I do know that the sistuation in Douglas, WY (110 miles south of Gillette) is much worse. They cannot build housing fast enough because of all the people moving in for jobs. Families are living in hotels / motels. I would suspect that housing prices would drop less there.