November 5, 2007

Tons Of Selection And Everything’s On Sale

The Gazette reports from Colorado. “Home sales sagged last month by nearly 20 percent when compared with the same time last year, according to the association’s figures released Thursday for sales that took place mostly in El Paso and Teller counties. - The supply of homes on the market rose 12.5 percent over a year ago to 6,470, the group said.”

“Foreclosures totaled 2,877 through October, according to the El Paso County Public Trustee’s Office, and are on pace to break a 19-year-old record.”

“‘The late 1980s to early ’90s were bad,’ said Fred Crowley, a University of Colorado at Colorado Springs economist. ‘In terms of modern history, it’s probably the secondworst housing market for Colorado Springs.’”

“‘You’re going into a store with tons of selection, and everything’s on sale,’ said Randy Reynolds, a longtime residential agent.”

The Denver Post from Colorado. “A third-quarter report on home values in the metro area shows that foreclosures and short sales are still having an impact on Denver-area housing markets.”

“The number of foreclosed homes sold increased from 20 percent to 30 percent of sales between January and September. ‘The number of ARM resets will peak in March, I don’t expect to see a foreclosure peak until six to nine months after that,’ said broker Lon Welsh.”

“In the north Aurora neighborhoods he’s investing in, John Klahn says there are as many, if not more, foreclosed homes as there were six to eight months ago.”

“‘Additionally, over the past six to eight months, I have seen bank-owned homes decline in price in the same neighborhoods,’ he said. ‘So, without looking at anything more than the neighborhoods themselves, I have to conclude that we have not seen the bottom.’”

The Rocky Mountain News from Colorado. “The subprime market meltdown is hitting home builders in the Denver area harder than anytime since the 1980s.”

“‘We’re probably going to see new home sales off 50 percent at the end of this year, compared with 2005,’ said Mike Rinner of the Genesis Group. ‘By comparison, we saw about a 20 percent decline after (the terrorist attacks) on 9/11.’”

The Arizona Republic. “A 400-acre parcel of desert will remain undisturbed for a little while longer after no one showed up to bid on it at the Arizona State Land Department auction on Thursday morning. Once sold, the land likely would be used for residential development.”

“The land, situated west of Desert Ridge and east of Cave Creek Road, was appraised for $100 million. The parcel had a sale price that was far less than the price of a comparable parcel in the Desert Ridge master-planned area. In April, that 270-acre parcel sold for $150 million.”

“Robert McGee has worked in banking in Tucson and Phoenix since 1971. Question: Is it a good time for companies in the area looking to expand? Answer: Depending on the business you’re in, I would be kind of cautious right now. Many of the businesses in the area have been held up by the real-estate market, and the bottom has fallen out of the housing market.”

“Q: What do you predict for the Valley’s economy in the next two years? A: The outlying residential properties could be in real trouble. When gasoline is hanging at $3 per gallon, and you have a two-lane highway to get to some of these places, a lot of the outlying areas, I mean way out, west Laveen, Pinal County, I think that will be in a slump for a while.”

“Q: What is the biggest change in the industry since you’ve been here? A: The condo suites. I’m still uncertain of the viability of the concept here, only because they’ve only been up and running for four or five years in this town, and we have not see a real-estate recession with condo suites.”

“I’m seeing a wide difference in many of the appraisals now, up to a 15 percent to 20 percent difference, depending if the appraiser uses comparable sales or sales-forecast approach. That tells me there is a correction coming in the market.”

“Metro Phoenix’s home prices are catching the attention of big lenders. In the past few weeks, parts of Maricopa and Pinal counties have been put on housing ‘watch lists,’ or lists of ‘declining markets.’”

“That usually means they will fund less of a loan on a property in case prices fall more.”

“More Arizonans filed for bankruptcy protection in October than in any prior month this year, as the weak housing market and tighter lending conditions exerted a toll on consumers.”

“Filings last month in the Phoenix metro area jumped 61 percent from a year earlier, while statewide filings increased 63 percent, according to the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Arizona.”

“All told, 1,117 Arizona consumers and businesses sought protection last month, including 745 in the Valley. ‘We’re seeing a bit more desperation,’ said Mike Sullivan, director of (a) Phoenix debt-counseling firm . ‘More people feel totally lost because of the housing situation.’”

In Business Las Vegas from Nevada. “Las Vegas housing analyst Dennis Smith says it may be 2004 all over again for the valley’s housing market. No, he’s not saying home prices will rapidly appreciate as they did that year and in 2005.”

“Smith says it won’t be long before prices return to the levels of late 2004 when it comes to the existing home market.”

“In September, Smith pegs the median price for single-family homes at $262,377, a year-to-year decline of $22,623 or 8 percent. That’s roughly the same price as in January 2005.”

“By the first quarter of 2008, Smith says he wouldn’t be surprised if the median resale price fell another $10,000 to $20,000. That would put the year-to-year drop between 13 percent and 15 percent, Smith says.”

“One impetus for the decline, Smith says, is when banks start to liquidate their growing inventory of foreclosed-upon homes. If they base prices on the market demand instead of what the notes are, that will lower prices even further, he says.”

“Pulte, Del Webb and Lennar slashed their prices 15 percent to 20 percent in some communities for homes that will close escrow by the end of the year, Smith says. Those price cuts are worth between $50,000 and $200,000. Pulte even mailed fliers for $55,000 off contracts, and Lennar had discounts of up to $200,000, Smith says.”

“‘The bottom line is that builders have been progressively getting rid of any excess new-home inventory,’ Smith says. ‘It is important to realize that any inventory that exists is not from overbuilding — it is from cancellations of sales contracts.’”

“Smith says the September cancellation rate was 39 percent in September, down from more than 50 percent in August.”

The Review Journal from Nevada. “As any real estate professional will attest, the slumping housing market is still brimming with owners who think their property is worth far more than it actually is. There’s a reason so many homes have gone unsold for six months or a year: the prices are too high.”

“Chief among Southern Nevada’s stubborn property owners is the federal Bureau of Land Management. The agency that controls most of the acreage surrounding the Las Vegas Valley holds periodic auctions to dispose of its surplus holdings, but Thursday’s affair was almost a complete bust. Of the 31 parcels offered, only one was sold. The others drew no bids.”

“The BLM contracts with an appraiser to come up with a ‘fair market value’ for the parcels prior to the auction. Those appraisals, based on comparable land sales of similar-size and nearby properties, become the minimum bid instead of a flexible starting point.”

“A common-sense observation for the BLM: If no one makes an offer on your property, your listed price is not ‘fair market value.’”

“Right now, the public bears all the costs of managing vast amounts of land put to no productive use whatsoever. Moving these tracts into private ownership and onto the property tax rolls serves the public interest more than sticking by inflated values and refusing to sell.”

“The next time the BLM holds an auction in Las Vegas, the agency should consider changing the format to a Dutch auction, also known as a descending value auction. If no one bites at the appraised price, the auctioneer lowers his asking price until someone bids.”

“Competing investors and businesses won’t let their rivals get away with a great deal. If the price is truly ‘fair market value,’ they’ll raise their hands — and taxpayers will benefit.”

The Salt Lake Tribune. “A new type of ‘for-sale’ sign is cropping up along the Wasatch Front. It’s called a ‘lease-to-own’ or ‘lease-option.’ It’s easy to see why such agreements are so popular right now. Home sales are down in many areas locally.”

“Greg and Esther Hatch…have had their home in south Sandy with granite countertops, hardwood floors and a one-third acre lot on the market for some time. They have been offering the five-bedroom, three-bath home for sale in the $350,000 range but have recently lowered it by about $35,000.”

“But to increase the pool of available buyers, the couple began offering a lease-option for $1,850 per month for up to two years. The rent would be higher if the buyer wants the Hatches to set aside money for a down payment.”

“The Hatches are open to the idea of a lease-option, something they have never done before, because they are worried that if they rent out their home while they try to sell it, people may not treat it very well.”

“‘We feel like with a lease-option, people will take better care of it,’ Esther Hatch says.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2007-11-05 12:37:07

‘It is important to realize that any inventory that exists is not from overbuilding — it is from cancellations of sales contracts.’

So Smith has finally taken off the blinders, but he’s still wrong about one thing, IMO. It is overbuilding when you have thousands of vacant, almost new homes for sale. And the only thing that will stop the builders is a lower priced market. With the BLM acting to prop-up the prices, this LV market will drown in inventory.

Here’s a blast from the past.

‘Dawn McLaren an economist at Arizona State University: ‘The concern that I have is that most of our job growth is in terms of construction.’

‘In Las Vegas, for instance we’re seeing houses prices 40 percent above what they were last year, an incredible boom going on in prices and in a number of houses being built. And we’re going to have to think about retraining some of these people when that huge boom comes to an end.’

And the first two comments that followed:

At 12:03 PM, Anonymous said… why do you people hate the idea of every american making a few hundred thousand dollars of profit on their home? who cares if it is a bubble? those are REAL DOLLARS.

for f**ks sake people, get a life. quit being jealous of everyone else’s success

At 12:14 PM, Ben Jones said… Is that a Haiku?

Comment by kThomas
2007-11-05 13:39:57

Love that blast, Ben. God bless!

Please give us another.

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-11-05 13:43:10

I remember that comment well. It was when the flame wars were just beginning. He posted that first and nobody knew quite how to respond. We had just been doing Haikus, so that just jumped out of my keyboard. I still get a kick out of it.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-11-05 16:37:50

http://patrick.net/wp/?p=195

Speaking of housing bubble Haikus, here’s some of the funnier ones I’ve seen.

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Comment by txchick57
2007-11-05 17:21:26

Your intelligence,
Your credit, your house: all are
Well below average…

that’s a classic

 
 
 
 
Comment by Wilson
2007-11-05 14:01:26

Wow! George Chamberlain is on your site, posting as Anonymous. Classic!

 
 
Comment by MNAIR
2007-11-05 13:30:03

Bring it on baby ..More inventory ..I love it..Update on my offer. If some of you guys remember I had lowballed a home in SO CA 3 days back through redfin.com. The agent called this morning saying that the bank had rejected an offer which was higher than mine. I said thats fine..I will pursue it in Nov 2009 for a much lower price…lol
!!

Comment by az_owner
2007-11-05 13:57:48

Why would the agent call you to tell you this? Trying to make you jealous or scared or something? I’m sure this guy/gal has a book on “The Psychology of Selling” on his desk, and they’re using Chapter 3 on you right now: “Create a Sense of Urgency”. I’d go back on redfin and offer $50k less than you did 3 days ago.

BTW - did the agent actually say that they rejected your offer, or just one that was higher than yours, leaving you to fill in the blanks?

Comment by MNAIR
2007-11-05 14:06:46

The redfin agent called me after she spoke to CA Reality ( sellers / bank agents). The sellers agent informed redfin that bank has rejected an offer higher than mine . My offer was not a signed offer. Just an online tentative offer ..

Comment by mrincomestream
2007-11-05 15:00:06

Yea, I would try again for 50k less like suggested, but this time I would go directly through the agent or go direct to the bank.

You’re wasting your time with Redfin with L.A. agents who sell in that area.

Use some common sense, you want that kind of deal go direct and give the agent some motivation to work it. but CYA by sending a copy of the offer via certified to the seller.

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Comment by txchick57
2007-11-05 16:13:03

Right-o. I wouldn’t mess with a realtor in a good market, in this one, they’re a complete waste of time.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-11-05 16:48:19

Whenever you call a realtor, a little kitten dies….

 
 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-11-05 16:43:45

Last week I put in an offer of $362K for a house listed at $649K. Had a moment of abject panic when it appeared the seller was seriously considering it - I had no intention whatsoever of buying just yet, just practicing some PSYOPS on local greedheads & their realtors. Thankfully, they rejected my offer, and didn’t bother counter-offering, since they probably suspected, rightly, that I was the Lowballer from Hell. Wouldn’t be surprised if I get a pleading call in a few months, though, asking if my offer is still good.

Comment by Hailey
2007-11-05 20:56:15

We threw in a low-ball actually serious offer a couple months back on a house (new construction) that was priced around $530K. We offered $350 and even I felt that was pushing our limits. Without even a second of hesitation the man shooed us out of his office as if we’d just run over his dog.

Anyways… got home tonight from dinner and there was a message on the machine. It was that guy saying that they have some wonderful deals on some inventory homes and wanted to know if we were still interested (because now the prices of the inventory homes are right about what we offered on the one a couple of months ago.) He isn’t going to earn our business now.

Comment by LFSD
2007-11-05 21:28:55

Go back in and offer $225k

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Comment by takingbets
2007-11-05 13:38:55

public awarness campaign propaganda from the NAR

http://www.realtor.org/pac.nsf/pages/marketfacts

trying to fool the rest of the sheeple!!

 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-11-05 13:39:36

I miraculous swing from 100+ down to 3 up, on a bedrock of bad news…

Some dare not call it the PPT?

Comment by txchick57
2007-11-05 13:55:46

Nah, S&P 1490 has been backstopping this down move. Buyers came in there.

I’m afraid they’re going to try to keep this big cap tech charade going through year end. Heading back to the sidelines unless another hanging curve ball like the last fed meeting gets thrown out.

Comment by Remain calm. All's well
2007-11-05 14:27:41

This Fed meeting was a nice gift - I sold my puts today with a 100% gain.

 
 
Comment by climber
2007-11-05 14:03:50

The Zimbabwe stock market is on a tear too - at least in their local currency. If you look at the US markets in Euros it’s not nearly so impressive.

 
Comment by Sobay
2007-11-05 14:26:54

swing from 100+ down to 3 = Short covering.

 
Comment by Tom
2007-11-05 18:27:49

It did that near close on Friday too. I did buy some Cisco. :-D

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2007-11-05 13:42:01

FORECLOSURE FALLOUT: Home Sour Home

Housing crisis leads some former owners, tenants to take anger out on property

http://www.lvrj.com/living/11006506.html

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-11-05 13:44:48

‘I’m told that the previous owner left the water running,” the Century 21 real estate broker explains.’

F Banks?

Comment by BottomFisher
2007-11-05 14:15:28

I want to see a house full of pigs again…..what a classic angry foreclosed on video on youtube….mabe we should start a ‘house full of pigs’ rental business.

 
 
Comment by climber
2007-11-05 14:00:34

Notice they mention that forgiven tax should be an incentive to keep the house at least somewhat saleable - yet CONgress wants to remove even this incentive. It just goes to show that a lot of these people never “owned” anything, nor should they anytime soon.

 
Comment by auger-inn
2007-11-05 16:10:06

I hope they track down the whining babies and throw their ass in jail. They friggin signed the loan. If they didn’t know what they were signing then they only have their greed and ignorance to blame (lender fraud notwithstanding). Next time do a little research before you sign for the biggest purchase of your lives.

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2007-11-05 13:47:48

Banker: ‘Perfect storm’ for Arizona investment

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/101209

Ah, the rich foreigner will rescue us argument rears it’s ugly head, wishful thinking once again ?

 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-11-05 13:53:21

Into the valley of neglect rode the 400…

“A 400-acre parcel of desert will remain undisturbed for a little while longer after no one showed up to bid on it at the Arizona State Land Department auction on Thursday morning. Once sold, the land likely would be used for residential development.”

 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-11-05 14:04:44

“‘The bottom line is that builders have been progressively getting rid of any excess new-home inventory,’ Smith says. ‘It is important to realize that any inventory that exists is not from overbuilding — it is from cancellations of sales contracts.’”

Pavlovegan delusional reinforcement technique

 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-11-05 14:05:54

“The most costly of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.”

H.L. Mencken

 
Comment by boulderbo
2007-11-05 14:17:34

“‘We’re probably going to see new home sales off 50 percent at the end of this year, compared with 2005,’

considering that three quarters of the new home sales involved 80/20, 100% or stated loans, i thing sales off by 50% is pretty good.

 
Comment by txchick57
2007-11-05 14:19:50

My bud in Santa Clara County CA (mortgage guy) says you can get a jumbo there with 10% down, “decent” credit and “some” stated income at 6.5% with 1 or 0 points.

I guess that the old thing that the only people who can borrow money on favorable terms are the ones who don’t need it.

Comment by Sobay
2007-11-05 14:30:00

My brother is a broker in Orange County - he told me that the product that is moving is the ‘Four Seventeen’ …. as in 417k. You need credit in the high 600’s.

 
Comment by reuven
2007-11-05 14:51:34

If you only have 10% down, then you’re hardly someone who “doesn’t need the money”. They used to ask for 20!

And, with less than 20%, you’ll have to pay PMI, which is basically flushing another couple hundred/month down the toilet. Nobody would do that unless they had to.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2007-11-05 14:52:53

How many are going forward though ? I’m not seeing any houses move in my travels around the neighborhood.

 
Comment by Potential Buyer
2007-11-05 16:49:23

That’s only because there is no piece of property for sale under $417k here in the bay area, so if they don’t ‘lower’ standards, there will be zero sales.

OK, maybe I exaggerate, but not by much. We’ll reassess this in another year.

 
 
Comment by Catherine
2007-11-05 14:26:21

“Robert McGee has worked in banking in Tucson and Phoenix since 1971. Question: Is it a good time for companies in the area looking to expand? Answer: Depending on the business you’re in, I would be kind of cautious right now. Many of the businesses in the area have been held up by the real-estate market, and the bottom has fallen out of the housing market.”

I’d change the word “many” to “most”. Our business (manufacturing) has been FLOODED with applicants today, formerly in the “construction profession”…and we’re just hiring a warehouse guy to clean up!
I keep looking out the window at big ol’ Dodge 4X4 Ram pickups with contractor stickers in the window pulling up to apply for the job.

Comment by reuven
2007-11-05 14:47:59

““Robert McGee has worked in banking in Tucson and Phoenix since 1971. Question: Is it a good time for companies in the area looking to expand?”

Advice for Bobby McGee: “Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose”

Comment by kThomas
2007-11-05 16:35:08

haha

 
 
 
Comment by SaladSD
2007-11-05 14:41:13

Subprime bailouts: Chump check
Responsible loan payers are crying foul about the breaks that delinquent borrowers are getting.
By Les Christie, CNNMoney.com staff writer
November 5 2007: 1:22 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Not everyone is happy about mortgage lenders’ latest efforts to help troubled borrowers.

Take Teresa Nelson. Instead of going for an adjustable rate mortgage with its lure of low initial rates, she opted for the security of a 30-year fixed at 7.10 percent for a house she bought in Pinellas Park, Fla. in December, 2005.

“I was well aware of what an ARM meant, and was staying far away from those snake-oil pipe-dream promises,” Nelson said. “I also wasn’t shopping for a short-term, big payoff investment - I was looking for my home, until I retire.”

But many delinquent subprime borrowers who went for low teaser rates that shot up to unaffordable levels are now paying lower rates than Nelson as part of a new round of foreclosure prevention packages. And she doesn’t like it.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/01/real_estate/Countrywide_bail_out_bashers/index.htm?cnn=yes

Comment by phillygal
2007-11-05 15:26:38

“I was well aware of what an ARM meant, and was staying far away from those snake-oil pipe-dream promises,” Nelson said. “I also wasn’t shopping for a short-term, big payoff investment - I was looking for my home, until I retire.”

an island of sanity in a sea of dumbassery.

Comment by snabs
2007-11-06 09:51:23

“dumbassery”

Phillygal, I think I love you!

 
 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-05 14:49:28

We lived in Colorado Springs 80-85. Real estate was being built like crazy, and seemed to move too. Friends later told us it was a blessing we didn’t buy there.

“Foreclosures totaled 2,877 through October, according to the El Paso County Public Trustee’s Office, and are on pace to break a 19-year-old record.”

“‘The late 1980s to early ’90s were bad,’ said Fred Crowley, a University of Colorado at Colorado Springs economist. ‘In terms of modern history, it’s probably the secondworst housing market for Colorado Springs.’”

Comment by In Colorado
2007-11-05 15:18:11

The Realtors out here haven’t given up on the cheerleading yet, insisting that its different out here with low unemployment (nevermind that most new jobs pay low wages). Builders do seem to know better as very little construction is going on right now.

There has been some commercial building going on, especially in the Centerra area, but even that appears to be slowing down. I know a few guys who are commercial building project managers, and these days all their gigs are far away in Denver. They express confidence that Denver will keep them busy until “this blows over”. What will they do when the gigs dry up even in Denver? Will their employers lay them off, or give them make work hoping that the next big box store gig is just around the corner?

Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-05 15:41:24

Good question(s)!

Are you in the Springs?

Are you familiar with Briargate?

Leigh :)

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-11-05 16:50:31

Leigh,

I’m familiar with Briargate. What’s your question?

Sammy

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Comment by In Colorado
2007-11-05 16:52:04

Not in Springs. I am in the Loveland/Fort Collins area.

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Comment by afronin
2007-11-05 17:45:51

From a renter off Northgate: Arrived back this Summer from a 3-yr overseas assignment. This USAF Academy assignment could be our last (20-yr mark). Tried to buy a home before the start of school for the kiddies, but was confronted (or affronted) with incompetent realtors and unrealistic sellers. Our plans of transitioning out to civilian life and establishing ourselves in the Springs are fading fast once we realized that there is no foreseeable economic growth. Too bad. It’s beautiful here.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-11-05 20:43:21

Still a tremendous amount of denial and Kool-Aid drinking here. It is nice here, but it’s changing, and not for the better. Just rent, and be patient. Soon enough, the panic will be setting in among the sellers, and when the capitulation occurs, it’ll drop hard & fast - most people here are living paycheck to paycheck, so dropping home prices (already started) will set off a vicious cycle of even more FBs walking away as they get deeper & deeper underwater.

 
Comment by afronin
2007-11-06 07:37:18

Roger that.

 
 
 
 
Comment by climber
2007-11-05 16:34:24

The Colorado economy is horribly cyclical. The problem is that the population is so transient that there’s hardly any one around from the last bust (myself included). If you talk to the locals you’ll get the scoop, but you have to listen, they’re more than happy to see those who aren’t committed to staying here move along. This state is large on the map, but the resources here are very limited.

Comment by Tad
2007-11-06 05:38:51

The Grand Junction, CO housing market may finally be slowing down as well. The Sunday Daily Sentinel had an article in the business section speculating that housing sales and prices may be stagnating. Up until now it seemed that the western slope of Colorado was immune to national trends in housing. Now, perhaps, the boom is maturing and the laws of economics are reasserting themselves….

 
 
 
Comment by OCDan
2007-11-05 14:52:53

OT, but I know you guys and gals will love this. Okay, I am heading up the stairs to our 3rd floor apartment and what do I see on every doorknob? A huge ad crom Douoblewide offering 5.75% for 9 months. All you need is a min. of 10 grand and the ad on the doorknob.

I showed my wife and told her, can we say insolvent. Talk about the need for cash. Is anyone even reputable and stable even offering more than 5.5% for that length of time, unless it is a credit union or the like? Talk about the need for quick cash! If this doesn’t spell bankrupt for Countryfried, I don’t know what does.

At any rate, we will not be depositing a red cent into that black hole!

Comment by heloc_jock
2007-11-05 15:01:54

Hey, it’s FDIC insured. I put $25K into a 5.65% 1 year CD with Countrywide a couple weeks ago. If the FDIC can’t get me my money back, I figure we’ll have bigger problems…..

Comment by Hoz
2007-11-05 16:07:40

It is not just getting your moneys back, it is the loss of interest. Your deposit is insured, your interest is not insured.

Comment by auger-inn
2007-11-05 16:19:33

oops!

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Comment by ex-WA
2007-11-05 17:20:43

Absolute not true, FDIC insurance includes any accrued interest.
http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/deposits/deposit/faqs/index.html

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Comment by BottomFisher
2007-11-05 15:05:37

I only see 5.45apy for 9mo CA residents and 5.55 for 6mo on CWF web site for 10k min CD. Maybe its a trick or treat leftover.

 
Comment by heloc_jock
2007-11-05 15:07:08

Hey, it’s FDIC insured. I put $25K into a 1 year CD with them at 5.65%. I figure if I can’t get that money back with FDIC insurance than I’ll have bigger problems.

Comment by wmbz
2007-11-05 16:27:07

Right, But from what I have read about FDIC Ins. is that they can take up to 7 years to pay. Lots of small print!

Comment by billo
2007-11-05 21:59:35

See the link above by ex-WA. According to this, FDIC pays the next business day. Which is true ?

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Comment by In Colorado
2007-11-05 15:20:19

But I thoought that “bitter renters” had no money ;-)

Maybe the banksters are not as clueless as we might think.

 
 
Comment by jinwnc
2007-11-05 14:58:56

I’m waiting for the first CEO to pony up and say this mess was their fault, accept responsibility and take their medicine….prior to their removal.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2007-11-05 15:00:47

“condo suites”, is this industrial space divvied up and sold as “office Condos” ?

Comment by mrincomestream
2007-11-05 15:10:40

Yes, and they are a horror to get rid of in a down market. Financing them are hell also…

Comment by Pete
2007-11-05 20:57:34

Who the hell would want an office condo in any market? Most companies prefer to lease their space.

 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-05 15:56:21

Remembering fondly…USAF called the cubicles “condos”.

In the early years, I was the envy of all condo dwellers, as mine were larger than most; decorated nicely (plants; loveseat; tables; all from home!).

Mine were larger because I am most efficient and had more work, good enough for government work would send me on a verbal dissertation of epic proportions!

Anyone that knows me would not utter such nonsense in my presence!

I had a condo with windows! (very coveted).

:) Leigh

 
 
Comment by 42
2007-11-05 15:03:27

ot as well, but I get something similar in the mail once a week for craptastic ugly condos in Manchester NH (I live in Lowell MA, a good 40 miles away) that look like cheap apartments, and the prices just keep getting lower along with the entry bar: nothing down, teaser rate, “only $850/mo!! (not including PMI, HOA fee, insane NH property tax, etc), the same old bullshit that got us into this mess in the first place.

 
Comment by housing hanky panky
2007-11-05 15:19:30

Stocks Fall on Housing, Credit Worries

NEW YORK (AP) — Wall Street pulled back in erratic trading Monday as investors grew more concerned about a deteriorating housing market and the widening impact of soured debt after Citigroup Inc. warned it plans to book $8 billion to $11 billion in additional losses.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071105/wall_street.html

 
Comment by Curt
2007-11-05 15:46:16

Beazer’s toast:

Beazer Homes (BZH), reeling from the housing market collapse, suspended its quarterly dividend and said it has slashed 25% of its workforce.

Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-11-05 16:01:13

BZH reminds me of the punch-drunk boxer being pounded around the ring who keeps miraculously staggering out to answer the next bell. Since the corner still hasn’t thrown in the towel I’m looking for a TKO - the ref (NYSE, consortium of creditors, or the like) is probably going to have to step in and stop the bout.

 
Comment by txchick57
2007-11-05 16:10:51

Beeeezzzzzzzer Homes.

Quality Has A New Name!

LOL, remember those obnoxious radio commercials?

Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-05 17:00:25

Hmmm…suspend dividend…post 230m in 4Q charges AND 53% drop in home orders.

Does this smell like BK?

Uh oh, one of the top five bites the dust?

Many posters here have predicted such happenings.

 
 
Comment by crispy&cole
2007-11-05 16:44:30

Headline next month - BZH files BK!

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in _PHX
2007-11-05 16:04:45

“Everything is on sale….”

Problem with that analogy is it ignores the fact that prices doubled, then this “on sale” is only 10% off the 100% infalted price.

Take gas that was $1.50 a gallon 5 years ago and run the price up to $3.10. Then let it drift back down to $2.80. Is $2.80 really a great price?

Is $2.80 really affordable to people who’ve gotten 1% a year wage increases and were stretched to make ends meet back when gas was $1.50.

 
Comment by Darrell_in _PHX
2007-11-05 16:33:56

test

Comment by Darrell_in _PHX
2007-11-05 16:35:08

I’ve made a couple posts that have not shown up. Also, the number of posts had not gone up recently. So, thought I’d try a test just to see if ANYTHING could get through. Sorry for the clutter.

Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-05 18:38:59

Dang.

Some of my posts hve my handle but not my words? Jeesh.

what is going on?

 
 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2007-11-05 16:47:44

“‘We feel like with a lease-option, people will take better care of it,’ Esther Hatch says.”

Yes, but it is still an option which means in a year when things are potentially much worse the option price will look much worse as well. Just lower the price and get ‘er done now.

 
Comment by memphis
2007-11-05 17:40:27

I see local Craigslist ads for didn’t-really-wanna-be-landlords, now going begging for mythical wanna-be owners who will take great care of the property AND cover all maintenance (in some cases even renovation) AND are happy to lock in a 2006 price. Isnt’ that a sweet deal? I’m sure our landlord would love it if we anted up for all the maintenance on our home.

The fantasy continues: this buyer has some credit dings but feels flush enough to cover the FBer’s note, and will be unfazed by comps on the block where an average loan + insurance + taxes has downsized well below the proposed asking rent.

It’s not just the banks that don’t want to be landlords, but sooner or later, someone will have to be.

 
Comment by shadow7
2007-11-05 19:12:49

I love this “it won’t be long to we reduce prices to 04′ levels” like it takes a rocket scientist to know you should have done this 6 months ago?

 
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