November 9, 2007

It’s Not 2005 Anymore

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Southern Utah homebuyers and sellers may both breathe a sigh of relief as a steady flow of houses are being listed and sold, said Vardell Curtis, CEO for the Washington County Board of Realtors. Curtis said buyers are listing homes for lower prices than before. ‘If you are not a motivated seller, it will seem like everything has come to a halt,’ Curtis said. ‘If your home is overpriced, absolutely, it won’t sell. It’s not 2005 anymore.’”

“The sky is not falling, Chicken Little. But home sales are. And while it’s not the end of the world, the housing industry has caused a lot of pain to the economy. According to an August report from the Arkansas Realtors Association, only eight of the ARA reporting 37 counties have sold more homes this year than in 2006.”

“The most time a house priced at more than $350,000 has been on the current market in Fort Smith is two years and three months. That house, located at 1900 Wheaton Trace, is priced at $895,000, has 6,400-square-feet, four bedrooms, four baths and two half-baths. Two others have been listed since the end of 2005, and nine have been on the market since 2006.”

“There’s a 22.5-month supply of homes priced at more than $350,000 on the market. ‘I think we’re going to see some surplus in these higher-end homes the further we go along,’ said broker Mont Sagely in Fort Smith.”

“Home resales on the Big Island and Kaua’i last month trailed year-ago levels by 24 percent to 56 percent, as Hawai’i’s residential real estate market continued to soften.”

“Kaua’i single-family home sales suffered the biggest decline, at 56 percent, according to Hawai’i Information Service.”

“According to a real estate consultancy, the real estate markets in Hanoi, HCM City, Da Nang, Binh Duong and Ba Ria-Vung Tau have seen the fastest development recently. In 2007, real estate prices have been dramatically increasing, especially in the last months of the year.”

“Though the demand for buying houses is increasing, VietRees said that it was not because of the increased demand for accommodation. It said that 60% of buyers bought houses and apartments to resell to make profit. The market in 2008 is believed will witness further increases in real estate prices.”

“Peak season for the property market in Shenzhen, the southern city neighboring Hong Kong is usually in the autumn months of September and October. But this year the number of transactions dropped sharply over that period, as banks tighten credit and the local government prepares to issue a new policy trying to curb rising prices.”

“Daily transactions from October 1 to 9 plunged almost 80 percent from September, according to the housing management authority. ‘Micro-control policies have begun working to cool down the overheated real estate market in Shenzhen,’ said Wang Feng, director of the Shenzhen Real Estate Research Center. ‘Both investors and homebuyers are taking a wait-and-see approach, and that’s creating a stagnant market,’ he said.”

“Home owners in Sydney’s south and west are paying more for less after eight interest rate rises and a drop in house values of up to 15 per cent since the end of the property boom in 2003. As median house prices in the Fairfield and Liverpool region fell by more than $60,000, the total 2 per cent rate rise added $5472 a year to repayments on a typical $350,000 mortgage.”

“In Canterbury-Bankstown values have fallen by 8.8 per cent, at an average $47,000, over the past four years while in Gosford-Wyong homeowners have lost an average $24,000, a drop of 6 per cent.”

“‘Prices overshot the market during growth between 2000 and the end of 2003 and many of the buyers in this market overstretched themselves, taking advantage of easy finance,’ said RP Data research director Tim Lawless.”

“Two union-affiliated pension groups critical of embattled Countrywide Financial Corp have demanded that Harley Snyder resign as lead director. CtW wants CEO Angelo Mozilo to resign, and AFSCME wants him to step down as chairman. Both groups said directors are also overpaid, and AFSCME demanded the resignations of Robert Donato and Oscar Robertson, the other compensation committee members.”

“‘Your excessive compensation, together with your aggressive divestment of your own Countrywide stock at the peak of the housing bubble, militates powerfully against any inclination you might have to lead your fellow independent directors or hold Mr. Mozilo accountable,’ CtW Executive Director William Patterson wrote in a November 7 letter to Snyder.”

“Some cause-and-effect riddles are easy to answer, like ‘which came first, the chicken or the egg?’ Other riddles are tougher, like ‘which came first, a social problem or the media’s yapping about it?’”

“Take for example the problem of housing prices. For several years, especially since the popping of the dot-com bubble, housing has grown steadily more expensive at a rate higher than inflation. That’s been the case throughout the country, and Connecticut’s no exception. But now, after a decade of increases, home prices — and sales — have stalled.”

“Which brings us back to that tough-to-answer riddle. ‘The media’s saying nationally, prices are dropping,’ Evan Berman, a Realtor in West Hartford, said to explain the current slump. ‘Buyers are coming in with lower prices because the media says [the market's] bad.’”

“Sorry. Actually, this particular member of the media hasn’t said much about the housing market one way or the other. But Ben Jones surely has. He says that housing prices are in a bubble unsustained by basic market fundamentals.”

“‘Homes historically haven’t been more than 120 times [monthly] rent,’ Jones said in a phone interview with the Advocate. ‘If you’re paying 1,000 dollars in rent, you shouldn’t be paying more than 120 [or] 125 thousand for a house.’”

“When times get tough, everyone looks for someone to blame, and for the housing industry, the glut of unsold homes must be the media’s fault. Officials from the National Association of Realtors and Realogy (the nation’s largest broker) have suggested that things would be just fine if not for the nattering nabobs of negativism in the media.”

“Intriguingly enough, we never hear Wall Street types blame the media for bear markets, and we don’t hear Wayne Huizenga blaming the media for the Dolphins’ dismal season. But somehow, falling home prices are always the media’s fault.”

“Everyone knows that the business cycle hasn’t been repealed, and so another recession is inevitable. Some indicators suggest that it might be sooner rather than later.”

“Economist Richard Berner of Morgan Stanley notes that sales of new and existing homes have dropped 42 percent and 30 percent, respectively, from their peaks of more than two years ago. As supplies of unsold homes grow, real estate prices continue to fall. One index finds that prices in August were down 4.4 percent nationally from a year earlier.”

“Recessions have often-overlooked benefits. They dampen inflation. Similarly, recessions punish reckless financial speculation and poor corporate investments. These disciplining effects contribute to the economy’s long-term strength.”

“In the 1960s and 1970s, the Fed followed easy-credit policies on the belief that government could end recessions and constantly keep the economy close to ‘full employment.’ The bad behavior thus encouraged was inflationary wage and price increases by firms and workers relieved of the fear of recession.”

“The experiment boomeranged: Double-digit inflation ensued along with the savage 1973-75 and 1981-82 recessions (peak unemployment: 9 percent, 10.8 percent). The real ‘moral hazard’ problem today is not starting down that path again.”

“In response to your editorial on the pending mortgage reform, I say oh, bosh.”

“Lenders recklessly wrote mortgages on houses at above their sustainable price, taking advantage of capital fleeing the dot-com bust and fueling a price bubble. Reality is now reasserting itself.”

“If community lending laws were to blame, the problem would have arisen in the 1980s and 1990s as well. It didn’t. And mortgage failures would be confined to the sort of houses the poor live in. They aren’t.”

“Granted, federal action will probably make things worse, and for the wrong people, but that’s the government for you. That doesn’t change the fact that lenders were greedy, shortsighted and reckless and did fail their fiduciary duty to borrowers.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2007-11-09 14:24:33

Another great week and the third or fourth in a row with no server problems. My thanks to those who support this blog. Please check back this weekend for news, your market observations and topics.

Comment by crispy&cole
2007-11-09 16:36:18

What a week!

 
Comment by AZ-IT
2007-11-09 16:43:18

There should be a nice check in your PO box by the end of next week from this direction (don’t do PayPal…) – hope everyone who has had their behinds saved remembers who saved it…

Thank Ben & everyone on this board. Been directing everyone who asks me here anymore, much easier then trying to explain it for hours!

 
Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2007-11-09 17:17:12

So, are you ready to take the blame for bursting the bubble Ben? Shame on you for pointing out that the Emperor was naked.

As far as the media goes, who’s really covering the news like it should be covered. With an exception of a few, most reporting is still way optimistic. Also, rarely do you see them point to the real underlying problem which is, as Ben stated, a disconnect from sound economic fundamentals. Only a handful really got what was going on from the very beginning. What’s really hilarious is that there were kids doing reports on the housing bubble as there parents ran out and bought their 5th investment property. It really wasn’t that hard to figure out.

Comment by formerlahomeowner
2007-11-10 00:04:05

You seem to be blaming the media. Where do you think Ben gets his stories from?

 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-09 17:46:59

Saaaaaaaaaaaaaasy.

Dang Ben, I love it!

You do…er…sound…

GREAT!

Sssssssssssssssasy!

;) Leigh

Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-09 20:20:34

Ode to Mr. Phil Hartman.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-11-09 18:17:48

Great piece you wrote Ben .

 
 
Comment by Blue Falcon the FBs
2007-11-09 16:43:08

“Southern Utah homebuyers and sellers may both breathe a sigh of relief as a steady flow of houses are being listed and sold, said Vardell Curtis, CEO for the Washington County Board of Realtors.”

Thats not what my brother who up until a few weeks ago worked construction down there told me.

Comment by Not Mssing It
2007-11-09 16:48:50

…as a steady flow of houses are being listed and sold

Cool. Which two?

 
Comment by steadykat
2007-11-10 13:09:36

The home construction business in St George has tanked. Some of the people that I know working in construction here locally moved to the commercial side and their work continued for a while. However, work in that venue work has now slowed down to a trickle.

The St George Spectrum NEVER prints anything negative about the local (crashing) housing market. The major local builders in this community have too much power (both politically and in advertising dollars) for a “bad” story to ever get out. However, they do have an internet “forum” that allows us locals to address the issues concerning the “bubble”.

Sales numbers here show that our peak for SFH sales was August of 05. We are now trending around the sales numbers of 2002.

We are now buried in homes, many of which have been for sales for 1-2 years.

 
 
Comment by az_owner
2007-11-09 16:44:43

“Some cause-and-effect riddles are easy to answer, like ‘which came first, the chicken or the egg?’ Other riddles are tougher, like ‘which came first, a social problem or the media’s yapping about it?’”

I didn’t know that the chicken and egg “riddle” had been answered, and apparently it was easy. So which was it?

Comment by Thomas
2007-11-09 20:52:08

The egg.

Because the immediate evolutionary ancestor of the chicken wasn’t a chicken. It laid an egg that carried a mutation that qualified the ancestor’s offspring as a separate species. Thus, there was a chicken egg (i.e. an egg containing the first genuine chicken embryo) before there was the first chicken.

At least, that’s how I see it.

Comment by Hailey
2007-11-09 21:29:26

Wow, I like it. :)

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-11-09 21:51:38

Fish were laying eggs about 400 million years before the first birds…. therefore, egg.

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Comment by Not Mssing It
2007-11-09 16:58:04

“Recessions have often-overlooked benefits. They dampen inflation. Similarly, recessions punish reckless financial speculation and poor corporate investments. These disciplining effects contribute to the economy’s long-term strength.”

And best of all, Chinese (Mandarin) Level 1 & 2 from Rosettastone should be affordable.

 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-11-09 16:58:22

Recessions have often-overlooked benefits.
silly, we don’t have those anymore

Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-09 20:44:45

Recessions have often-overlooked benefits.
silly, we don’t have those anymore

Hey Flat,

Slap me silly and call me stupid…are you saying we falling into a depression?

The over-looked benefit of a recession IS:

deflation?
stagnation?
wrong impression?
federation?
indignation?
no nation?

Dang, play along!! No harm toward you.

Leigh

 
 
Comment by NeilT
2007-11-09 17:04:11

Many people wonder when the tide turned. Now there is a definitive answer. The national newspaper record says it is May 2007:
“Then, last May, the real estate market stopped booming.”

Reference: A Real Estate Speculator Goes From Boom to Bust, NY Times online, 11/09/2007

Comment by txchick57
2007-11-09 17:15:22

I’ll know my work is done when the national media again declares Texas a real estate wasteland and instructs people to never buy here again.

Comment by Hoz
2007-11-09 17:34:17

It will have to be on the cover of Time and Newsweek magazines in the same week - with a cover screaming:

“Housing: The Worst Investment Ever”

A cover picture of a couple signing divorce papers.

Then it will be safe to buy.

Comment by Neil
2007-11-09 17:57:12

I agree with Time and Newsweek having to have the cover stories.

But we’re a long way from that. We’re still at people screaming it can’t go down or that it will recover after one more rate cut. They really do have to scream RE is the worst investment ever before it hits bottom.

Got popcorn?
Neil

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Comment by hd74man
2007-11-09 18:35:53

RE: But we’re a long way from that.

We’re gettin’ there.

The November winds are blowing thru leaf-less trees here in New England.

One of the Beantown network news stations ran a poll today asking ‘Does this winter look’ financially rough for you?” 81% responded YES…18%…NO.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/454b9f04-8f04-11dc-87ee-0000779fd2ac.html

 
Comment by hd74man
2007-11-09 19:01:11

More…from Winter.

kris b wrote:

This is just the beginning. Very soon they will run out of windows for all the Wall Street criminals/gangsters.

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_7357912

“I never thought the story of failed BestBank owner Ed Mattar would have an ending.
But the portly, droopy-eyed banker took a sledgehammer to his apartment window on the 27th floor of a downtown Denver building and jumped to his death at 3:51 a.m. Friday.”

Posted on 08-Nov-07 at 2:43 am | Permalink | Quote

 
Comment by Neil
2007-11-09 21:30:17

This is both sad and… poetic.

What concerns me is when this happens with the Shanghai stock market. Its the most overvalued stock market since 1929. 40% of corporate profits, per a WSJ article, are stock investments. Oh… that’s stable!

I still think recession. But I’m very worried.

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-11-09 17:35:58

Hey,
You’d better start a native trout farm in Texas…because I can tell you with Categorical Imperative language what happens to a 20# trout when you slap some across the head…think of nBeec’s when they rip out their guts because Paris Hilton is wearing Obession # 5. ;-)

 
Comment by Remain Calm. All is Well
2007-11-09 17:42:46

Chick, Texas might not get the centerstage this time around. It’s going to be dwarfed by the coasts, the recession and the financial market chaos. Not likely RE bust in TX will be near the top of the list of debacles.

 
Comment by palmetto
2007-11-09 17:47:58

“I’ll know my work is done when the national media again declares Texas a real estate wasteland and instructs people to never buy here again.”

Same here for Florida. It is really getting uglier by the minute here.

 
 
Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2007-11-09 17:33:37

It was November ‘05 when you heard the bubble pop in NNV.

 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2007-11-09 22:21:56

I learned my lesson fast about tides turning. Got caught out in a canoe on the inland waterway off the coast of NC when the HIGH tide was becoming a LOW tide. Ended up having to wade through miles and miles of muck!

Comment by tresho
2007-11-09 23:36:16

Excellent metaphor for the current situation. Miles and miles of muck.

 
 
 
Comment by Ria Rhodes
2007-11-09 17:04:40

““Two union-affiliated pension groups critical of embattled Countrywide Financial Corp have demanded that Harley Snyder resign as lead director. CtW wants CEO Angelo Mozilo to resign, and AFSCME wants him to step down as chairman. Both groups said directors are also overpaid, and AFSCME demanded the resignations of Robert Donato and Oscar Robertson, the other compensation committee members.”

Yeah, well Mozilo can aim his yacht with helipad towards the Cayman Islands and manage his off-shore millions while drinking Dom. What’s in your wallet “working for a paycheck America”?

 
Comment by exeter
2007-11-09 17:12:12

You got mentioned in the Hartford Courant of all scandal sheets!!! Good job Ben!

Comment by Neil
2007-11-09 21:33:13

Nation’s oldest paper. Why that means…

Well. At least the sheeple are waking up. ;)

Seriously, congrats Ben.

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by Mobin_kali
2007-11-09 17:21:37

CHICAGO, Nov 9 (Reuters) - Levitt & Sons (LEV.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the U.S. residential builder that created a template for the modern American suburb, said on Friday that it had filed for bankruptcy protection.

Comment by sm_landlord
2007-11-09 18:38:37
 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-11-09 17:28:08

“Recessions have often-overlooked benefits.”

They stop development…without teams of liars…umm, pro-bono lawyers going to the County Board of Supervisors to mitigated the effects of over-development…sort of a stealth I.E.R. via county poverty. ;-)

 
Comment by palmetto
2007-11-09 17:55:43

“But Ben Jones surely has. Jones is the former accountant who’s now the full-time compiler of the Housing Bubble Blog, which for three years has been collecting and documenting news articles and analyses from across the country. He says that housing prices are in a bubble unsustained by basic market fundamentals.”

Ben Jones? I think I’ve heard of him.

Comment by Shake
2007-11-10 17:25:42

OBWAN has taught us well :>

 
 
Comment by creativemind
2007-11-09 18:02:04

my partner owns a second home in Duck Creek. it has been on the market for 12 months. not a single bite. the area is flooded with for sale signs and no buyers.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-11-09 18:43:34

Is this Duck Creek in Utah? Because if it is…I have something to add.

Comment by creativemind
2007-11-09 20:25:35

yes it is duck creek in utah!

 
 
 
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Comment by cactus
2007-11-09 20:18:40

Yes thats funny !! I love it !! I saw an Angleo Monzillo cereal animated thing on CNBC I think, he was being flushed down a toilet. It was one of those video clip pieces off Yahoo.

 
Comment by Neil
2007-11-09 21:35:47

Snarf!

I have got to stop having a drink handy while reading this blog.

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-09 18:29:05

burp

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2007-11-09 18:35:50

Is it still Happy Hour? :-)

 
Comment by auger-inn
2007-11-09 20:42:25

BWI tonight? (blogging while intoxicated)

 
 
Comment by luvs_footie
2007-11-09 18:36:05

E-Trade backs off earnings forecast
Broker stops giving profit guidance as value of securities portfolio drops more.

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) - E-Trade Financial shares slumped as much as 13% in late trading Friday after the company backed off an earnings forecast made less than a month ago after the value of its asset-backed securities portfolio dropped further.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/e-trade-shares-plunge-after-hours/story.aspx?guid=%7B61EB5E01%2D7BB1%2D4973%2D9546%2DAA3DD21C2402%7D&siteid=bnb

Comment by txchick57
2007-11-09 18:52:42

I threw out Schwab as a possible short last night. Still like the idea.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2007-11-09 18:37:02

Never trust a realtor….or their assistants.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/09/realtor.slaying/index.html

 
Comment by housing hanky panky
2007-11-09 18:38:08

Ooop’s……….sorry Ben. Old habits die hard.

 
Comment by CrashBangBoomBangBumpetyBump
2007-11-09 18:41:46

This info about Bernanke wanting to raise the GSE to a million is sickening. It’s sickening because I know they’re going to do it Think I’ll go puke!

Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-09 20:57:45

Naw.

Take a deep breath, and repeat after me…

They don’t have the power, they don’t, don’t…

DON’T.

That’s the beauty…couldn’t glue their fingers together WITH superglue!

Gawd, I hope I’m wrong! (ya know, masters of the universe and all)

Clink,
Leigh

Comment by Neil
2007-11-09 21:41:12

I think they’ll do it.

But a 29% DTI full doc limit…

Will bring this house of cards down.

Think about the psychological hit when the sheeple realize that we’re in Florida 1926… nationally.

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-11-09 22:35:48

My take is BB is looking for a way to get things moving, and hopes some of the banks will sell some of their mortgages to the GSEs.. this will get the secondary market moving again.

I don’t think Fannie Mae is gonna start lending millions to strawberry pickers with depreciating assets as collateral.. they have no reason to do so and a lot of good reasons not to. After all they are private corporations and have no explicit govt protection (for the time being).

but it depends on the details of the plan.. the definition of “short” in “for a short time” and in how much liability the govt wants to accept.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-11-09 23:58:14

Joey …Not only do i think that lenders want to pass alot of current junk debt off to the government backed loans ,but they will write new easy money loans , in a attempt to spike the housing market and provide money in this tight money market .
Current loan investors don’t want to catch a falling knife ,and the government should not want to either .
Make no mistake that they would make easy money low down loans to try to stop the contraction in the housing market .
I think the Feds want to lower the rates to nothing and than supply low rate loans as a attempt to bail out the lenders as well as providing funds in a tight money market .

I call it a tight money market because lenders don’t want to make easy money low down loans anymore ,so why should the government backed loans do that either .

Look , if they raise the limits to 1 million ,they will also make exceptions in the underwriting in the name of a short term remedy . What watch dog group is going to be standing over their head and looking at the underwriting .

Rather than address the corrupt system that produced the credit mess to begin with , the powers are preceeding with a bail out plan that has already been so destructive to the value of the dollar its scary . The powers are avoiding accountability and they are still trying to hide the true nature of the reasons behind this credit mess, (notice how everything is a big mystery )
Who ever said that easy credit should be available when a market is crashing . There is no law that says that the world has to provide easying financing for a bunch of builders that overbuilt on speculation for instance . Let the builders carry the paper themselves . Does the government rush in when some industry has a over supply of something and provides financing because nobody else will . Lenders cannot continue to make bad loans and that’s that . The market prices will go down to where the borrowers really qualify . Let the lenders re-write their own junk if they want , and save taxpayers funds for more important needs in the future that will come up .
Government backed loans was the bail out plan from day one ,along with lowering the rates . I find it interesting how this big PR campaign started taking place about making victims out of the borrowers ,rather than calling this a speculation mania that got out of hand by faulty lending and corruption .

Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-11-10 03:47:52

I take the “wrong” side of this argument for a reason: imo, a limited “bail out” will ultimately cost the taxpayer less than if the securities market is allowed to unwind and crash with no support.

My wild guess is that several $$ Trillion is at stake. This money will come from the pockets of those who own the securities.. banks and bankers and investors of various sorts. They and/or their businesses will go broke no matter what else happens.

For them, there is no hope of redemption.. no hope of attemped bail outs or supportive gestures buy FNM preventing the inevitable losses. Their situation is beyond fixing.

That being said, I do think the particular way it all unwinds will matter a lot to those who were prudent.. who resisted temptation or, for whatever reason, have avoided involvement. For these, a slow and easy economic descent will be less painful, and minimizing the pain may be the best we can hope for. I don’t want to suffer through a depression if a mild recession will accomplish the same thing.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-11-10 09:27:15

There are other answer than the course BB and his friends are taking IMHO .Direct loans paid back in time ,rather than bail outs for instance . Trashing the dollar and going for bail-out loans is punishment to the wrong parties and it won’t save the housing market that will contract in price .

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Little Al
2007-11-09 19:41:32

“The sky is not falling, Chicken Little.

Who you calling chicken? We cluckers have something you haven’t seen since the late 90’s called a down payment and financial prudence. And we don’t need to feather our nest till this cycle has played out.

Comment by CA renter
2007-11-10 04:49:05

Another thing we have:

We were right and they were wrong!!!! :) :) :)

 
 
Comment by HARM
2007-11-09 19:57:22

“Homes historically haven’t been more than 120 times [monthly] rent,” Jones said in a phone interview with the Advocate. “If you’re paying 1,000 dollars in rent, you shouldn’t be paying more than 120 [or] 125 thousand for a house.”

A search of rentals in West Hartford on Realtor.com showed most good-condition three-bedroom houses renting for around $1,900 per month; while a house-to-house comparison is not possible, similar-quality homes for sale averaged in the $300,000 range, far higher than the $228,000 suggested by Jones’ formula.

However, rent-to-own cost isn’t the only ratio to consider where home prices are concerned; there’s also the simple matter of what people can afford to buy.

“As a general rule of thumb, you can afford a house three times your annual salary,” Evan Berman says.

Astonishing… amazing. I never thought I’d live to see the day when the MSM would quote someone like Ben as a housing expert, vs. portraying him as a crank/nutcase –as ususal. And they actually printed the price:rent & price:income ratios. I think most readers’ heads may explode when they read that.

Are those pigs flying out my window?

Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-09 21:18:52

http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=4022

I’m a Jones fan, that’s a given.

They took Ben’s words…in TWO sentences, and DECIDED on sparkly sequins.

Now that is a PUKer. (er…forgive my tongue).

The press is…er…grr.

God Bless You, Ben!

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-11-09 20:03:15

I was just thinking , why are we allowing the same jerks that got us in to this mess ,by breach of job duty ,to be the clowns that are suppose to get us out of this mess. We are always surprised by the faulty remedies that people like BB and Senators and regulators/lenders and Wall Street come up with ……but why? This is CYA time .

We are shocked at BB suggesting that government backed loans should be raised to 1 million and we are shocked that BB lowers the rates at the expense of the dollar … or that Senators would endorse this stuff . But ,why are we allowing the parties that created this mess ,or allowed this mess, to be the same CYA parties that try to clean up this mess. Conflict of interest ,I tell you . They want to sweep this bad debt mess under the carpet as quick as possible rather than it come out who is to blame . They all need to be fired ,rather than them holding senate hearings with each other when they look at the camera with a streight face and say we need to raise the loan limit to 1 million. I move for impeachment of the whole lot .

Comment by CA renter
2007-11-10 04:53:02

Agree, Wiz! We need to clean out everyone who encouraged the irresponsible lending & who never said a single word about it when things were going up.

All of a sudden, it’s a crisis. God forbid anyone actually mention the fact that we are here mostly because of greed and stupidity.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-11-10 09:20:58

Thanks CA renter . I don’t have alot of faith in these fix it men/women at this point and I’m really upset with the course they seem to be taking ,which won’t work in the final analysis.

You would think that a mess up that could affect the entire course of history should be put in the hands of people that didn’t allow it or didn’t create it .

 
 
 
Comment by Thomas
2007-11-09 20:58:18

“Curtis said St. George has always been a unique market that does not generally follow the same real estate trends as other regions in the country.”

Oh, lord — not another “unique” market.

“All real estate is local — but all finance is global.” Sorry, Mr. Curtis — the destiny of your lovely red-rocked valley is being set on Wall Street and in the City. All is abso-freaking-lutely not well.

 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2007-11-09 22:24:17

“The sky is not falling, Chicken Little.”

Might have to disagree with that, after yesterday’s and today’s DOW finishes!

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-11-09 22:47:27

Is it true that a Fed Chairman has a 4 year term ,and can a Fed Chairman be fired ,and who has the authority to fire a Fed Chairman ?

 
Comment by CA renter
2007-11-10 04:56:54

Congratulations on the article, Ben! :)

 
Comment by ronin
2007-11-10 06:30:21

“The sky is not falling, Chicken Little.”

Would have got kicked off my junior high journalism class for using such trite cliches to appear witty. Who writes this stuff?

 
Comment by clue phone
2007-11-10 09:08:08

““Intriguingly enough, we never hear Wall Street types blame the media for bear markets, and we don’t hear Wayne Huizenga blaming the media for the Dolphins’ dismal season. But somehow, falling home prices are always the media’s fault.”

This is because real estate “professionals” are much less bright than Wall St. types or coaches.

It might sound like I”m saying this to be snarky, but it’s absolutely true.

 
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