Like A Wave At The Ocean, It’s Starting To Pull Back Out
The Sun Journal reports from Maine. “When New Hampshire developer Jerry Bowes came up with the idea for an 11-acre, 14-unit condo development for people 55 years old and older, the market was hot and real estate agents and townspeople told him the project would sell out fast. That was in the summer of 2006. Today, the model home for Poland Place is finished and two others are under construction. Everything’s ready for the onslaught of buyers predicted last year.”
“The problem? ‘Nobody’s bought anything yet,’ Bowes said.”
“So he’s cut his prices more than $20,000, passing on savings he got when lumber prices dropped. He’s offered to waive buyers’ condo fees for a year. He’s including the appliances in any unit sold during the next six months, and he’s giving away $5,000 to $7,000 worth of upgrades to anyone who buys the model.”
“Such incentives were unheard of last year when houses were snapped up in bidding wars. Now, with Maine and the nation in a housing slowdown, some developers say they need to get creative just to get people in the door.”
“‘We’re thinking outside the box,’ Bowes said.”
“Lewiston and Auburn have approved hundreds of new homes in recent years. At least 10 condo developments and subdivisions are now under construction in Lewiston and Auburn, representing more than 270 new homes in the Twin Cities. ‘We’ve probably had more subdivisions in the last three years than we’ve had in 10 years previous,’ said David Galbraith, director of planning and permitting for Auburn.”
“Kelly Wentworth, a real estate agent in Yarmouth, represents Whispering Pines, a $300,000- to $500,000-a-home subdivision in Durham. Whispering Pines provides new home allowances, but it isn’t offering any free extras.”
“‘I don’t think anybody can give a good enough incentive to bring the buyers out,’ Wentworth said. ‘It all comes down to location and price.’”
“Wentworth is relying on promotion. A lot of promotion. But there’s a lot of competition to overcome. Not only does Whispering Pines have to contend with other new developments, but it also has to compete with older homes for sale in well-established neighborhoods.”
“Only three of the subdivision’s 13 to 15 homes have been sold so far. And only four serious buyers have shown interest in the project since August. ‘There aren’t people out there. They’re not looking, Wentworth said. ‘They may do a drive-by. They’re not calling the office.’”
The Boston Globe from Massachusetts. “The selling points are still there for the 140-year-old Colonial in Southborough that Rachid Mansour bought seven years ago. Yet a year after the house went on the market, Mansour hasn’t closed a deal. That’s because one thing has changed: The once-hot Worcester County housing market has cooled.”
“‘Most buyers are waiting for prices to drop, and sellers are waiting for prices to come up,’ said Mansour, who is asking $410,000 for the three-bedroom house - about $30,000 less than his initial price.”
“‘If I didn’t have an immediate reason to leave, I might not want to sell,’ he said.”
“Few Massachusetts towns illustrate the housing bubble’s bursting as vividly as Southborough and its neighbors in Worcester County. It was long the western frontier of Boston’s expanding metropolitan area, where inexpensive houses, plentiful undeveloped land, and good road and rail links made it one of the fastest-growing parts of the state in the past decade.”
“But the real estate market in the exurbs between Framingham and Worcester is now in the doldrums. ‘We were overinflated,’ said Randy DeVries, VP of Prudential Prime Properties in Westborough. ‘The market just went wild, and now we’ve got a correction.’”
“Realtors and others say sky-high prices in the suburbs closer to Boston during the mid-1990s and early 2000s sparked a building frenzy in Worcester County as first-time home buyers looked for cheaper options, especially in towns straddling Route 9, including Shrewsbury, Northborough, Southborough, and Westborough.”
“Now, conditions have changed. With prices closer to Boston also down, Worcester County is less attractive to buyers who want to live closer to the big city.”
“‘A lot of buyers who might have gone to Westborough will now go to Natick,’ said Leif Rosseland, sales manager at Coldwell Banker in Shrewsbury. ‘It’s just like a wave at the ocean. It’s starting to pull back out to the Boston market.’”
“As those would-be buyers head east, they leave behind a glutted housing market. The eastern end of Worcester County is close to being built out, with homes that are now worth less just a few years after they were first purchased.”
“‘When people hear that prices are going down or there is a tendency to go down, people wait,’ DeVries said.”
“Mickey Skarr recently sold her Shrewsbury house for $515,000, after four months on the market. She originally asked for $600,000 but felt comfortable dropping the price because she and her husband are moving to Florida, where houses are significantly cheaper than in the Northeast.”
“‘It seemed like forever, primarily because of all the bad news about the housing market every day,’ she said. ‘Five years ago people would have been standing on the doorstep fighting each other over it.’”
From Newsday in New York. “Through a friend, they met Aaron Wider, a Garden City mortgage banker who also owned several homes in the Massapequa area. They settled on a two-family high ranch in North Massapequa at a sales price of $805,000.”
“Because Wider also was a mortgage banker, he said he could approve a loan that other banks wouldn’t, the Fitzgeralds recalled. ‘It was like he was giving us an opportunity for us to fulfill our dream,’ Robin Fitzgerald said.”
“From then on, the Fitzgeralds were willing to overlook almost anything in the pursuit of that dream, a common scenario seen across the country, experts say. The couple didn’t say anything when they noticed their credit scores were too high on documents they said Wider had filled out. They didn’t look at what other homes in the area were selling for.”
“After a year of struggling with mortgage payments that — minus rent from tenants — were $3,400 a month, the Fitzgeralds fell behind. Last March, Pennsylvania-based GMAC Bank, which had bought their loans from Wider’s bank, began foreclosure proceedings.”
“Only then, after hiring their own appraiser, did the Fitzgeralds learn that their home was valued at $545,000 when they bought it.”
“The Fitzgeralds are not the only Wider customers facing foreclosure. Banks have begun legal proceedings against at least 11 other Long Island homes connected to Wider, Nassau and Suffolk county property records show.”
“George Cornielle was living in Elmhurst with his wife and grown daughter in 2005, when a friend who did construction work for Wider asked Cornielle if he was interested in buying a home.”
“‘I wasn’t even thinking about a house,’ Cornielle said. ‘I said ‘I don’t think I qualify.’”
“But the friend assured Cornielle that Wider could arrange a loan and soon Cornielle was in contract to buy a high ranch in East Massapequa for $812,500. Cornielle said he paid a down payment of $17,000 and didn’t ask questions when lawyers placed dozens of documents before him to sign. Cornielle said he used a lawyer Wider provided him.”
“Cornielle said he did not notice that personal information in his loan application was incorrect. The papers say…that he earns $14,500 a month — more than triple what he said he actually makes.”
“Inside Wider’s conference room, the mood was chaotic and Cornielle said he felt rushed. ‘It was a lot of people, making deals on the cell phone,’ he said. ‘There were so many papers.’”
“Although Cornielle is not in foreclosure, he said he is one month behind on his mortgage payments and has borrowed up to $60,000 from family and friends in order to avoid defaulting.”
“Cornielle eventually obtained copies of the appraisals, which showed the house was worth $830,000 and $825,000 in 2005. Cornielle paid for a new appraisal in July, which showed the house was valued last summer at $484,000.”
“The Fitzgeralds have staved off foreclosure, for now. After they hired a lawyer to challenge the action, a judge canceled an auction of their house scheduled for Oct. 23.”
“Wider said he considers the Fitzgeralds personal friends. Robin Fitzgerald tells a different story.”
“‘I said Aaron, ‘You’re like a walking angel.’ That’s how I felt about him,’ Fitzgerald said. ‘We felt like he was the answer to our prayers.’ Now, she said, she often cries herself to sleep.”
The Centre Daily Times from Pennsylvania. “End-of-year clearance efforts — markdowns of more than $50,000, offers of no closing costs or no payments until 2009 — by some local builders are translating into big potential savings for home buyers.”
“The number of homes sold in Centre County actually increased slightly in October and is up substantially in some parts of the county when compared with 2006. But an abundance of spec homes, a desire to move that inventory off the books in what is typically a slower time of the year, and a soft market for higher-priced homes is driving some builders to offer discounts.”
“Barry Begoumian, CEO of Sunrise Homes, has taken an aggressive approach to move properties. Sunrise has launched a ’super sale’ through November, cutting prices between $14,000 and $55,000 on about a dozen homes.”
“The sale is an opportunity to start 2008 with a clean slate, he said. It’s also a onetime offer. ‘It’s our first time doing this,’ he said. ‘We’re basically moving it at our cost. We’re basically moving it below cost in some cases.’”
“In a good year, he said, Sunrise will build and sell 40 to 45 luxury homes and town houses. This year, he said, he’ll be happy selling 22. ‘We’re off by 50 to 60 percent,’ he said, adding that this is seen mainly among prospective buyers of homes in the $250,000 to $450,000 range. ‘It’s been slow for the last two years.’”
“Begoumian said too much speculation has resulted in a flood of available spec homes. ‘That sort of cluttered the market,’ Begoumian said.”
“Throw in the negative publicity about the downturn in the real estate in markets such as Florida and California, and the situation is magnified, Begoumian said. ‘We never really did have that bubble burst that they did,’ he said.”
“Cornielle eventually obtained copies of the appraisals, which showed the house was worth $830,000 and $825,000 in 2005. Cornielle paid for a new appraisal in July, which showed the house was valued last summer at $484,000.”
Wow, that’s gotta hurt.
I’m surprised Cornielle hasn’t walked away which seems to be the best option here. Then again, Cornielle might be holding out for plan A - “can I have a do over”?
I am Cornholio, I need TP for my Bunghole.
East Massapequa is a joke!
Only a complete idiot would think that area had anything worth that much.
Even the 484k leaves me sputtering!
Danni
I like this one the best.. She borrowed over a YEARS salary from friends and family…….lets see even if she HAS $200 left over each week to pay off everybody, well thats how much? 300 weeks almost 6 YEARS… plus nobody wants any interest?
She might as well file for BK, and move to Alaska, friends and family wont try and kill her that far away…LOL
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Cornielle, who is a $52,000-a-year catering supervisor at Kennedy
“Although Cornielle is not in foreclosure, he said he is one month behind on his mortgage payments and has borrowed up to $60,000 from family and friends in order to avoid defaulting.”
Heh, I caught that too. Family might as well be loaning to a drug user for all the good it will do him. Cornielle needs an intervention.
That’s mind blowing alright. But it shows how little local knowledge was applied during this boom. How could someone commit to $800k (or a lifetime of labor, commuting, lost time) without doing some homework about comparable homes and the neighborhood itself?
The closing table is a terrible place to put one’s mind on autopilot.
Keep the bad news from Long Island coming, Ben. It helps me wake up. I hope my co-worker is reading this. It should really ruin his morning. Bwahahaha.
How much longer before bad news starts coming out of Manhattan? Six months…maybe a year on the outside?
Manhattan is one of those places that does really well in good times and really poorly in bad times.
Please dear god… like yesterday… I still am out of work ..but i did get a job interview and found out it was a non paying intern job… they lied in their ad saying it was a paying job.
Manhattan is a very interesting real-estate market. While I bet lots of people are going to try to lynch me for saying this, bear with me for a few moments. The Manhattan real-estate market’s health is determined by the price of… hotel rooms in Manhattan.
About 12 years ago, yours truly was consulting for companies there, raging from Wall St to law firms to god knows what. The one common thing that pretty much every company had was several condo units owned somewhere on the island. Why? Because a room in a hotel as $250-$700 a night and with people from all over coming down it was a much better idea to buy a condo rather than keep paying $250-$700 a night in expenses.
I saw time and time again companies CFO’s deciding to buy condos for company’s usage.
But that was 12 YEARS AGO at the bottom of the market…and an eon ago in prices….sure $150-200K condoze would be cheaper…but what about todays Million dollar+ 1BR …i don’t think the numbers today add up. even $300 a night is only $9000 per month…. owning would still be more expensive…But a good observation.
The pricing on “I’m arriving today and you are going to have to put me in a hotel in Manhattan with wireless” is easily $900. That’s $27,000/mo that a company is tossing out. So $26,000/mo payment for a condo is a totally good deal because it is not going to go to waste on company’s books.
At 7% a year $1,000,000 payment is under $7k/mo
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/mortgage-calculator.asp?unroundedPayment=1097.749117045651&loanAmount=1000000&nrOfYears=30&nrOfMonths=360&interestRate=7.00&startMonth=10&startDay=18&startYear=2007&monthlyPayment=+++++%3D%3D%3D%3E&showAmort=Show%2FRecalculate+Amortization+Table&monthlyAdditional=0&yearlyAdditional=0&yearlyAdditionalMonth=10&oneAdditional=0&oneAdditionalMonth=10&oneAdditionalYear=2007&paidOffDate=Nov+18%2C+2037
I think manhattan will maintain its out of touch with reality values until the downturn hurts companies that keep their HQs or large offices in Manhattan.
Hell, i still can’t figure out why on earth high-tech industry as well as Wall St wants to get Manhattan office space. My rather high-tech startup is happily located in the boonies where buck goes quite far and folks go to NYC ( where we have a few clients and a few nodes ) only when we have to as no way I can justify paying nearly $900/night after taxes and fees for folks to stay overnight.
I spent the weekend at the Wall Street Inn for $250 a night. Their Mon-Thu rate is $340. They have free wired internet and the Downtown Alliance has free big pipe wireless in the area. Pretty good bandwidth. I was watching my Slingbox at 1500 kbps.
The reason that hotels are expensive is because even the working class English, Irish and other Europeans are over shopping due to the depressed USD. This summer, however, I got a weekend at the Intercontinental Barclay for $130 a night on Priceline.
You are slightly missing what i mean. You are describing situation where you -miight- want to say there but it is not a big deal. Companies deal with “I must stay there” and it does not matter what’s the price.
In response to the title of this thread, I am sorry, but I have to quote Gandalf on this, from the Return of the King movie, speaking to Pippin on the last night before the armies marched from Mordor…
“This is the deep breath before the plunge. The board is set, and the pieces are moving…”
Indeed, so it begins. Day by day, the fools involved in this grand circus of greed shall realize their mounting folly. And we, the wise vultures, shall feast upon the remains once they disappear beneath the waves.
“Whispering Pines” are becoming whispering bushes.
Sssssssssssh
“From then on, the Fitzgeralds were willing to overlook almost anything in the pursuit of that dream, a common scenario seen across the country, experts say. The couple didn’t say anything when they noticed their credit scores were too high on documents they said Wider had filled out. They didn’t look at what other homes in the area were selling for.”
Here’s the problem with what the Fitzgeralds did: they signed documents attesting to their bogus credit scores, so they were accessories in their own rip-off. Too bad, so sad.
“The ends justify the means” is a slippery slope leading to a giant fall for nearly all who embark upon that path.
And, that is mortgage fraud… 2 years in jail for them!
Darrell, much as I dislike the lenders, I’d like to see one or two of them litigate this point, rather than letting the foreclosure take place. It would be a lesson to the “little guy” not to go along with Wall Street and Washington. Actually, it is the “little guy” that does have the power to say “no”. Had more “little guys” said no, perhaps the bubble wouldn’t have blown up to the magnitude that it did.
When I wuz a pup, it seems that the times I got in trouble were the times I let a “pal” talk me into doing something I shouldn’t have. And all along, I knew “I shouldn’t have”, but “pally” always seemed to get away with it, so why not me? I still don’t know the answer to that question, but I learned the hard way not to go along with “pally”.
We have a “mouth-breather” bubble in the US, unfortunately.
Yeah Palm - I got married once that way. Little voice in my head saying “are you crazy?” It was the last hurrah for hormones.
“Although Cornielle is not in foreclosure, he said he is one month behind on his mortgage payments and has borrowed up to $60,000 from family and friends in order to avoid defaulting.”
This drowning man is going to take down with him everybody he can find. Geez, this dumba$$ is toxic. I liked how these people noticed that the numbers on the documents weren’t right but they chose not to speak up. He said he didn’t notice that his income was stated at more than triple what he actually makes. What the heck, he was only buying a place for $800,000. This is a lie. Do you know how to spell “a-c-c-o-m-p-l-i-c-e”? I’m sure you do, Mr. Cornielle.
“He said he didn’t notice that his income was stated at more than triple what he actually makes.”
When his eyes gazed across that little nugget of fraudulent information he was probably having daydreams that someday that would be true - so he was only telling the truth…thirty or forty odd years in advance.
And you want to know the really sad thing. The income he stated (3X what he actually makes) is STILL not enough to support this home.
800K home needs about a 250K to 300K income to support. He makes ~50K, so stated his income around 150K to get the loan. I would NEVER consider buying an 800K on 150K income!! I just can’t imagine how you could afford to do that; that home will cost you ~5-8K per month to carry. Your take home is about 8K a month with 150K salary??? WTF?
Anyway, it’s sad that he lied, and even so, still SHOULD NOT have gotten the loan!
Yea, but then how could you ever get rich flipping real estate?
You need to buy the highest priced thing you can’t afford, and then when the payments balloon, sell to another sucker.
Remember, Real Estate always goes up, and Suzanne Research it………….they could do it!!!!
The wild part about this story is, I bet His Friends and Family only loaned him 60 Grand because they thought ” If He’s living in a 800k house He must be good for the Money!
“Today, the model home for Poland Place is finished and two others are under construction.”
Where did they get their marketing team.
“And the finalists for the naming of our new development are “Dachau Downs” “Gulag Gardens” or “Poland Place”. And the winner is.” Pause. “I’m so nervous.” He rips open the envelope. “It’s “Poland Place”", and the crowd goes wild with anticipation for the opening of all those overpriced condos.
Maybe it’s fitting that they chose the name of a country that has been split up more times than The Eagles. Something tells me this place won’t survive intact.
RE: Something tells me this place won’t survive intact.
At least Poland doesn’t have 4,000 Somalians to support like Lewiston.
Now there’s a place that’s dead meat.
Lewiston has to be one of the worst possible places to buy in Maine. The schools and local health care have been totally overwhelmed by the refugees from Somalia, placed in Maine by the Feds. The Feds make a unilateral decision, ruining what was a nice, middle-class town, and expect local taxpayers to pick up all the carrying costs. Obviously they never considered Kennebunkport, where the wealthy summer owners could carry these costs, but they buried the middle class.
Do watch where you buy though, the NYTimes and Wash Post are beating the drums for “thousands of Iraqi refugees” to be resettled in the US, and they like to pick towns where the middle class can’t mount much opposition. They will not be resettled in Greenwich Ct. or Scarsdale, that you can bet on.
An it’s a unilateral move by the Feds, local opposition is not tolerated.
This “multi-cultural crap is happening all over the world.
All the wealthy, formerly white countries get to pay host and support all the third world refugees.
Why? It’s all about being Fair, isn’t it. They live off us, and get to take away our jobs and a free European-style education.
It’s totally sickening. In Germany, they are getting hospitals and care centers built in little German towns to support those other refugees from the various wars in Africa. What does Germany have to do with this? Nothing. But it’s great if you are African. You get to move into a European town, out of your ghetto and live off people you don’t know and have nothing in common with.
I find it totally outrageous. Send them to neighboring countries, not here, and certainly not Europe.
I thought “socialism” and “social justice” was a good thing, or is it a good thing only when it is not in our backyard?
Socialism is a failure, and trying to integrate people into our culture who do NOT want to integrate is a waste of time. These 3rd world refugees have no problems bringing their ghetto, poverty, crime, and disease with them to our lands, provided they get to live off of us for free like parasites. They *could* try making something of themselves, but hey, that’s work, so forget it.
UMMMMMM resettling Somalians from a hot humid bare skin climate to snow ice and below zero wind chill……
can you say….abuse?
I imagine it has something to do with Poland Springs, the bottled water company.
Q: How many “Poland Place” condos does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: None. Because they are all vacant & depreciating in price.
“Only then, after hiring their own appraiser, did the Fitzgeralds learn that their home was valued at $545,000 when they bought it.”
From 805k to 545k This is whats going on in every town in America.
The original appraisal is a fraud. Now lets start in California and find the real fraud.
People all over the country, but most especially in Cali, Florida, Nevada and the Northeast, have been paying for that fraud in terms of tax assessments based on fraudulent appraisals, insurance, destablization, etc. Decent savers were shut out of the housing market completely.
Ok, forget the fraudulent appraisal, real value is $545K. Now, let the prices fall from there. I can’t even consider the fraud appraisal any kind of peak pricing. Peak is $545k. Period.
Ouro Verde,
Well, from where you are in San Diego…the crow doesn’t have to fly too far. But if you want fraud that’s bilingual…I’d start in Chula Vista.
Hey Hwy. Encinitas St. fair today.
Always fun…hope to make it there this afternoon if possible…foggy or clear this morning?
Fog and drizzle.
“Begoumian said too much speculation has resulted in a flood of available spec homes. ‘That sort of cluttered the market,’ Begoumian said.”
We were only a little pregnant.
Ran into my MIL at the bank yesterday and she told me a couple we know went to FL on Mon last week and bought a house on Thurs.
I said, “What? Are they nuts?”
She said, “Oh no. They bought got a good deal from a Canadian who’s going back to Canada and needed to sell.”
I said, “Well, I hope they liking losing another 20 or 30% percent of what they just paid, because I can guarantee you that house will probably drop that much more.” Then I asked her if they were living in a vacuum, no TV, newspapers, etc. Anyone who buys a house in FL right now needs their head examined and better plan on not getting just burnt, but totally toasted.
I’ve always suspected that the great white north was up to something…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EonjqFPKVU&feature=related
Me too…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H5hKZznc14
I would buy a home in FL tomorrow if I could find something that fit my idea of “value”. However, I still have at least a few years before I find it.
2000-3000 sq/ft
100-125/sq/ft
Gated community
East of 95
Palm Beach Gardens/Jupiter area
At 100/sq/ft, I don’t really care where the prices go, eventually I will either do ok, or be bailed out by inflation. Either way, I don’t really care, as I can afford to carry that house for as long as it takes, and this is where I want to spend the next 10+ years of my life. So, IMHO, I would be willing to buy immediately if such a home were available. However, most of the prices are still 200+ sq/ft for a very “normal” house here in PBC. So, I wait.
You might be right, even if I found said home, and was very happy with it, I would still be heistent to buy… I don’t want my head examined!
What about the people buying condos in FL right now? Those people are just batsh*t crazy, imho. Many/most of these condos are going to be low income housing in the next few years. It might be a “luxury” building today, but some day people are going to realize that this is just a massive high rise in the parking lot of a shopping mall.
Cue my fav PBC condo building:
http://www.mazorguide.com/SarahMazor/communities/PBG/MZ00465.htm
This rendering, no joke, would have to be done from the Sears parking lot (to get that view of the building).
Put yourself in the position of a Canadian that paid some serious Dollars Americano, for their warm water port, down Florida way?
Let’s say they bought in 2002 and paid $200k, which would have been like around $300k Canadian, eh?
Not only is their property not worth what they paid, but in terms of their currency going up so much, in real Canadian Dollar values…
They got whacked!
a Power Play, if you will.
That cascading entrance fountain is worth at least $100K!
Forgot to add these people are elderly and probably paid cash, so I’m sure there’s no appraisal. They have no clue what a bloodbath they’re going to take.
“They have no clue what a bloodbath they’re going to take.”
The Great Wealth Re-Distribution Machine at work.
Oh they’ll make it back in Social Security and Medica(id|re) I’m sure.
Too bad I’ll never see a dollar from either (though perhaps I’ll see a RMB or Peso..)
Where is the outrage about how the government ripped off everyone with SS? There would be plenty there if they hadn’t stolen all the contributions. Why is the answer to take away from those that paid in? How about stop letting people with zillions collect SS and use Medicare. How about raise the ceiling on how much you contribute. I’d agree to both with the caveat that the funds stay in what too many saw as a joke, a “lockbox.”
No ……they have no clue what bloodbath their kids are going to take if they expected to see any of that money. You notice the old geezers, never seem to put some of the “profits” into their kids and grandkids college funds…hmmmm
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They have no clue what a bloodbath they’re going to take.
“Barry Begoumian, CEO of Sunrise Homes, has taken an aggressive approach to move properties. Sunrise has launched a ’super sale’ through November, cutting prices between $14,000 and $55,000 on about a dozen homes.”
“The sale is an opportunity to start 2008 with a clean slate, he said. It’s also a onetime offer. ‘It’s our first time doing this,’ he said. ‘We’re basically moving it at our cost. We’re basically moving it below cost in some cases.’
“In a good year, he said, Sunrise will build and sell 40 to 45 luxury homes and town houses. This year, he said, he’ll be happy selling 22. ‘We’re off by 50 to 60 percent,’ he said, adding that this is seen mainly among prospective buyers of homes in the $250,000 to $450,000 range. ‘It’s been slow for the last two years.’”
This is a classic case of the little guy builder, who probably never built more than a dozen houses a year, 6 years ago.
He’s remarkably honest about his situation, and just needs 12 people to come through, to get him out of his peril.
His urgency is real, as…
Debt Never Sleeps
“He’s including the appliances in any unit sold during the next six months, and he’s giving away $5,000 to $7,000 worth of upgrades to anyone who buys the model.”
Screw the fridge! That’s sooooooo 2006!
I wonder what I’ll be saying in 2008?? 40 Cents on the dollar?? That’s soooooo 2007!!
Thinking the idea of a condo on 11 acres was interesting, notwithstanding the location, I looked up the listings. Here’s one:
http://tinyurl.com/2rbeql
Not exactly what I, as a Floridian, was thinking of as a “condo.” I suppose there could be some appeal there to common maintenance, but my personal reaction as a cold-hater is that it reminded me of a clearly fancier version of the bleak village in “Babette’s Feast.” Unfortunately, it forfeits a key advantage of decently constructed hi-rise condos — dramatically lower heating/air conditioning bills.
My BIL moved to a place exacty like this is Plantation, FL, after my sister died. All the houses are white. Big battles take place over what trim colors are allowed. I would rather be buried alive.
No color nazis for me, thank you.
As much as I like the idea of not having to mow my own lawn, the thought of the HOA dictating every exterior design decision makes me want to hurt someone.
RE: Kelly Wentworth, a real estate agent in Yarmouth, represents Whispering Pines, a $300,000- to $500,000-a-home subdivision in Durham. Whispering Pines provides new home allowances, but it isn’t offering any free extras.”
Whooweee…a set of free appliances.
Now there’s a real incentive to purchase a $500k house in a state with a median income of $28k and rated as the highest taxed in the country!
“It all comes down to location and price,” stated Kelly Wentworth (realtorwhore). At least she’s telling the truth (probably for a change). That is exactly what this boom and bust is about and it will have dire consequences for places like California and Florida and Arizona and Nevada.
I’ve visited and worked in some of these places in the past where big builders have now built massive developments.
Take one example: Fontana, which is about 40 miles outside of Los Angeles. How can I put this politely? Oh, yes, I know. It’s a sh*thole. In the summer the heat is unbearable. Around September, October, the Santa Anna winds arrive and are so strong they blow 18 wheelers off the 10 Freeway. The area was once home of the old Kaiser Steel plant. A gigantic, sprawling example of the American industrial age. It’s so polluted, the government shut it down. The ground water there must be highly suspect I should think.
The point of this posting, is that nobody in their right mind would want to live there. At the moment, it’s home to a lot of latinos. Of course it’s big gang-banger territory. It’s also currently a big foreclosure area because a lot of under educated, poor families, signed on the dotted line when presented with a Mr. Magoo’s sub-prime free money program. All these under-privileged people saw, was that shiny new house on a shiny, litter free street, with it’s new fridge, new dish washer, new washer and dryer, garage, etc, which was a lot better than the decaying trailer park type residences, or filthy Los Angeles slums they were living in. Nobody told them about the bad stuff (surprise!).
Now the chickens have come home to roost. A lot of those poor, uneductated families are going back to the slums and trailer parks, leaving behind masses of shiny ticky-tacky sh*tboxes, situated in a toilet called Fontana, over-priced which, if offered to anyone with a 20% downpayment and the income to sustain a $400,000 mortgage, would/should fall about laughing. The majority in that financial position, would NEVER live in Fontana, ca. even if the house was being sold for $100,000. Duplicate the Fontana situation in scores of places in Nevada, Arizona and Florida and realtorwhore Kelley Wentworth’s words (location and price) are bang on target.
Outstanding post.
But, how do you really feel about Fontucky?
So true about Fontana. What amazes me are the people that live a wall away from the 10 freeway. Not one moment’s peace ever and the filth that you constantly would have to clean that seeps inside would be horrendous. Let’s not forget the privilege of being where so much of the LA basin smog settles - it looks like fog in the summer. What makes people so desperate to “own” a house that they are willing to live that way?
Mike, I’m pretty sure it was you who predicted the next wave of equity bleed would be through the reverse mortgage.
On Friday went to my bank and sure enough, the big display in the lobby was all about: Reverse Mortgages!
(Seniors, proceed with caution)
Hudson & Marshall auction in town today. checked out their listings - considered going to their event IF the weather was bad but it’s a GREAT TIME TO GO OUTSIDE & ENJOY NATURE!
(line for the realwhores . … hehe)
I’ll pass on wasting time at an overpriced phoney auction in favor of spending time w/my kids hiking around the foothills. There will be better “real” no reserve auctions later anyways.
You all have an enjoyable Sun.- however you choose to spend it !!
Does anyone recall the name of that “No bubble here” Mainer who was a regular poster here up through some time last year? I take the absence of his posts as a sign that things turned out “worse than expected” in Maine. (Long timers will note similarities to the conspicuous absence of BeaConst and LV_Landlord from our discussions.)
Where art thou my Maine RE troll? IIRC, he was another sneaker wearing, eurotrash driving fool from Westchester County, NY attempting to create his own urban trash heap in Portland.
Yeah Bear - LV has just recently disappeared it seems to me.
Then there was that nastiest of trolls, Antonio Villaraigosa, who used to spar with us here about how the LA market would always go up.
Perhaps we should request for Ben to open up a “trolls of yesterday” thread next weekend. Everyone could dig around through the 2005 blog archives to find their favorite troll-infested discussion thread. It might prove quite amazing to contrast the consensus that has recently developed to the verbal wars that were fought here a couple of years ago.
Ahmadinejad: OPEC Members Interested in Converting Cash Reserves Into Non-Dollar Currency-
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071118/opec.html
More ammo for the lunatics to characterize Ahmadinejad as the nut that normal people know that he isn’t.
“So he’s cut his prices more than $20,000, passing on savings he got when lumber prices dropped. He’s offered to waive buyers’ condo fees for a year. He’s including the appliances in any unit sold during the next six months, and he’s giving away $5,000 to $7,000 worth of upgrades to anyone who buys the model.”
“‘We’re thinking outside the box,’ Bowes said.”
Uhh…hate to have to break this to you, those incentives are pretty much inside the box these days.