Anything That Can Reduce Pricing Will Help
A report from the Arizona Daily Star. “Home builders are working to roll back or delay some Tucson-area impact fees to help the new-home industry weather its slump. The Southern Arizona Home Builders Association has been asking local governments to allow builders to postpone paying impact fees until after houses are sold rather than when construction permits are issued.”
“Home builders have been offering deep discounts and other incentives in recent months to help stimulate buying in a slow market. Lowering fees could help further, said John Strobeck, a local housing market analyst. ‘Anything that can reduce pricing will help the current situation,’ he said.”
The East Valley Tribune from Arizona. “Two East Valley real estate investment firms have joined up to buy more than 6,800 acres of land in Casa Grande from national homebuilder D.R. Horton for $70 million, a deal that could bring 23,000 homes to the community.”
“‘It’ll be larger than the city of Casa Grande itself,’ said Tim Wolff, co-president of The Wolff Co.”
“The sale is the latest in a flurry of recent land deals across the Valley, as publicly-traded builders rush to rid themselves of excess properties. ‘All the big builders are selling,’ said John Fioramonti, senior managing director for Meyers Builder Advisors in Scottsdale.”
“Privately held companies, both builders and real estate investment operations, are swooping in and buying up land at discounts, he said. ‘They’re coming in and taking advantage of the crunch that the national builders are in,’ Fioramonti said.”
The Arizona Republic. “There is not much to give thanks for in Scottsdale’s resale housing market, except for buyers. Home sales were down a third in October from a year ago and condominium transactions fell 16 percent…according to the Arizona State University’s Realty Studies Department.”
“Valleywide, the median resale home price fell from $257,000 last October to $242,000 last month. It was the lowest monthly median home price since May 2005 when it was $235,000, said Jay Butler, Realty Studies director.”
“‘The most evident impact of lower prices is improved affordability,’ Butler said.” “Foreclosures and sales incentives by homebuilders are factors in the declining sales of existing homes, he added.”
“The Ahwatukee housing market continued its slide in October, as the number and price of existing homes sold showed a decline compared with October 2006. The village recorded the sale of 70 existing homes compared with 85. The median price fell to $332,345 from $357,000.”
“In Gilbert the resale home numbers fell to 230 in October from 270 for the same month a year ago. The median price fell to $275,000 from $328,000. In Tempe, the number of resold homes fell to 85 in October from 90 in October 2006 and the median price fell to $261,200 from $296,500.”
“‘The take-home message right now is really he who has the financing gets the home,’ said Butler. ‘In order to reduce inventory and other things, these new developments in areas that aren’t doing very well are offering deals, so your best deal is probably the new home market not the resale market.’”
“New home developers have gotten increasingly creative with incentives, offering everything from free pools and upgrades to gift cards or a free Lexus.”
“Some 3,610 sales were recorded in October, up from 3,050 the month prior but still far below last year’s 4,985 sales, a report by ASU’s Realty Studies department shows. Last month brought year-to-date total sales to 44,410; a 23 percent drop from the same period last year and 54 percent decline from 2005.”
“Sellers are continuing to compete against new home builders, who can offer large incentives, and discounted foreclosure properties. Tighter lending standards are also still making it difficult for some potential buyers to get financing, especially in the move-up market, Butler said.”
“The biggest unknown is what the economic condition of the country will be in the coming months, he said. Talk of a possible recession continues, and gas prices are on the rise. ‘People aren’t certain about what they want to do,’ he said.”
“‘I think buyers have been waiting for good news,’ said Scottsdale real estate agent Carol Dillon. ‘I think everybody’s waiting to say we’ve hit the bottom of the market.’”
“The challenge in today’s market is not buying a home but selling your current home, Dillon said.”
“The labored housing industry is taking a toll on the Valley’s apartment rental market, which faces heavy competition from unsuccessful home sellers who are renting out properties. Valleywide, the rental vacancy rate was 10.3 percent in the third quarter, up from 7.7 percent a year ago, according to a new report by Pete TeKampe , an apartment investment broker.”
“One factor contributing to the increased vacancy is the number of single-family homes now up for rent because homeowners couldn’t sell them. There are ‘more rental homes than we’ve ever seen in this market,’ he said.”
“In one northeast Mesa neighborhood, at least six homes have been converted to rentals in the past two months, said real estate analyst Bob Kammrath, who lives in the area. ‘It’s just a sign of the times,’ Kammrath said.”
“People can’t sell their homes but still have mortgages to pay, so they rent them out, he said. Experts say failed condominium conversion projects that reverted to apartments have also contributed to the growing rental supply.”
“The manufactured-housing industry is suffering its lowest sales in at least 40 years. Loans are hard to get. Would-be buyers can’t sell their existing homes, manufactured or otherwise. Parks have been closing in Arizona at an accelerated rate because the land is more valuable for other uses.”
“Victoria Vargas, co-owner of Mingus Shadow Mobile Home Sales in Clarkdale, said, ‘This year we just sold one. Everywhere it is slow. People don’t come. I don’t know why.’”
The Havasu News from Arizona. “A total of 70 new and resale homes were sold last month in Lake Havasu City, down 23 percent from a year ago when there were 91 recorded sales. ‘We’re still in a buyer’s market,’ said Paula Singleton of the Lake Havasu Association of Realtors.”
“Lake Havasu City appears to have a more inflated inventory than neighboring cities. There were 1,731 homes on the local market at the end of October, according to the Lake Havasu Association of Realtors. As of Monday, there were 658 single-family homes for sale in Bullhead City and 913 in Kingman, according to the MLS.”
“Inventories are ’starting to dwindle, but there’s still an oversupply. The market in general is stable, but there are problems,’ Sam Wercinski, commissioner of the Arizona Department of Real Estate said.”
The Pahrump Valley Times from Nevada. “The women reading off the trustee sales weren’t hard to find. They were standing under the flagpole in front of the Nye County Courthouse promptly at 11 a.m. After this action, their property is either sold to a high bidder or it reverts back to a beneficiary, a finance company.”
“Mostly they’re talking to themselves, no one usually shows up to buy them.”
“Business is picking up lately for Penny Strickland. ‘The majority of them have been daily within the last two years,’ Strickland said. ‘I posted nine (sales) last week and I’m not the only one.’ She estimated 90 percent of the properties being auctioned are from Pahrump, 165 miles south.”
From Reuters on Nevada. “Las Vegas realtor Devin Reiss said agents in his market no longer expect business to fall into their laps as it did during the recent boom. ‘At that point it was absolutely crazy,’ Reiss said, noting it was not unusual to receive up to 15 telephone calls on properties the same day he listed them for sale. ‘Properties were just flying off the shelf.’”
“Investors who gambled hot growth and relatively inexpensive home prices would fuel ever-stronger demand now must contend with a glut of homes pulling prices down. Local realtors are working to convince sellers the market has turned decisively in favor of buyers, said Reiss, president of the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors.”
“Yet many sellers have not accepted the shift and are holding out for top dollar even if they must leave properties vacant — a vestige of the boom mentality. ‘I’ve seen a lot of properties sitting out there for a year,’ Reiss said.”
The Review Journal from Nevada. “As the local housing market took off in 2004 and 2005, new construction led the way, with freshly built single-family homes surging toward a median price of $350,000. Local real estate research companies could find virtually no new single-family construction below $200,000 by 2005, said Dennis Smith, president of Home Builders Research.”
“Now, 25 new-home subdivisions in Southern Nevada are selling single-family houses with starting prices below $200,000, according to an analysis of reports.”
“That’s as little as $110 per square foot in some communities. Compare that cost to expenses at the market’s apex in 2004 and 2005, when roughly $185 per square foot would have been the least-expensive price in the Las Vegas market, Smith said.”
“‘Builders are recognizing that buyers are struggling with the price points in the marketplace, and they’re struggling with lending requirements,’ said Ken Perlman, VP of Sullivan Group Real Estate Advisors. ‘This is an attempt by builders to create product that’s a little more attainable.’”
In Business Las Vegas. “In a deal believed to have been driven by a developer’s cash crunch, Station Casinos has acquired nearly 45 acres in Henderson’s Inspirada development…being developed by Focus Property Group. Several local builders said Focus has been hurt by the residential real estate slump, particularly by homebuilders who’ve walked away from deals to buy land from Focus.”
“Wayne Krygier, Amland Development president, said financial problems are common for any builder and developer these days. When home sales are down more than 40 percent, adjustments must be made, he said.”
“Speaking about another troubled developer, Lake Las Vegas, Krygier said that some builders just can’t afford to pour money into land when their existing homes aren’t selling. ‘Focus Property Group has the same situation with builders who had options and walked away from them,’ Krygier noted.”
“The developer of Lake Las Vegas in Henderson is in default on a $560 million loan and has until the end of the year to find buyers for its remaining undeveloped land or the development could face foreclosure, a Lake Las Vegas official said.”
“The latest financial woes center on buyers of the third phase of Lake Las Vegas dropping their plans to acquire land as expected, Cox said. Lake Las Vegas, although it took sizable deposits, was counting on $100 million in option payments from builders that fell through, said David Cox, the chief financial officer of Lake Las Vegas.”
“‘We had some option payments that came due, and they were not met,’ Cox said. ‘Those guys are doing their best to find funding sources, but they are in turmoil right now. Sales have dried up (in the industry).’”
“‘We are pursuing and continue to pursue large sales,’ Cox added. ‘They are just not U.S. buyers. That is dead as we see it. We are trying with Korean buyers. They have a different perspective. They see it as a discount.’”
“‘It is beautiful property. It is not going to become a trailer park,’ Krygier said. ‘It is a luxury property, and people are going to buy it for sure.’”
“Dennis Smith, the president of HomeBuilders Research, said land at Lake Las Vegas will sell but it has to be priced right. Land in Lake Las Vegas, depending on its location, has sold for more than $1 million an acre to as much as $3.5 million an acre, Krukowski said.”
“‘No one is selling land right now,’ Smith said. ‘If you are going to sell land, it is going to be discounted. Just ask the BLM (Bureau of Land Management). That is how it works. It is called supply and demand. No builders are buying land because they have got enough land in inventory to handle current absorption.’”
“When completed, Lake Las Vegas will have about 9,000 homes.”
“The Bureau of Land Management’s decision to consider abandoning its practice of not selling land for less than appraised value has sparked a lot of interest in the homebuilding and development community. It already has prompted speculation on what impact it will have on the land market and whether it would reduce prices of homes.”
“For now, the BLM is researching whether it has the authority to allow bidding to start below appraised value. The appraised value would be the reserve price, meaning that at the April auction it would simply be an exercise of how far below the appraised value the bidding will start.”
“The BLM would use that information to decide if it wants to change its policy that was developed out of congressional legislation in 1998 that required the BLM to sell land at fair market value. There was only one parcel sold at a BLM auction earlier this month.”
“Monica Caurso, spokeswoman of the Southern Nevada Home Builders Association, said changes in the auctioning process, however, would be welcome. ‘They are not auctioning land for its fair-market value,’ Caruso said. ‘They are auctioning land based on its historical information. It is not a viable form of auctioning.’”
“One unnamed homebuilder executive blames the BLM more for its practice of limiting the supply of land for the unintended consequence of raising the price of land. He said that if the BLM would have made more land available in the past, it would have helped accommodate growth and kept home prices down.”
“He said the BLM should be releasing more land in addition to allowing buyers to set the market price. ‘What holds down prices is more supply,’ the executive said.”
“One nation under G[ree]d”
“Two East Valley real estate investment firms have joined up to buy more than 6,800 acres of land in Casa Grande from national homebuilder D.R. Horton for $70 million, a deal that could bring 23,000 homes to the community.”
Whew!! Thank God! I was starting to think there was no solution to the housing shortage they’ve got going on out in AZ.
I’m SURE…. that land purchase has NOTHING to do with this story.
http://tinyurl.com/25eaqw
“A Phoenix-based investment team announced it plans to build a 240-acre rock and roll theme park in Pinal County ”
“Key state lawmakers seem intrigued by the proposal, said Kevin DeMenna, a lobbyist who is pushing for legislation that would help provide bond funding for the park.”
“Arizona’s theme-park laws would have to be rewritten to allow Pinal County to establish a locally controlled district with bonding authority, DeMenna said.
If approved, it would allow the park’s builders access to a $1 billion state fund for theme-park construction, he said.”
This theme park story came out exactly 1 week before the 6,800 acre land purchase story came out. Some super smart guy made a post about the theme park story…. (remember, a week before the story about the land purchase came out) I quote that super smart poster! (on page 3)
“What usually happens with these types of things is that the promoters of the park buy up thousands of acres of land in the middle of no where. Then they use campaign contributions to get the govt. to pony up huge sums of money to build a park. Then, the promoters sell the surrounding land for HUGE profits, while the tax payers eat the construction costs.”
What is that dude’s name??? oh, Darrell!
It’s bad enough that taxpayers have to fund football stadiums for the NFL (cuz they’re so poor), but a rock ‘n roll theme park? I thought Arizona was a red state, land of free market capitalism and intrepid cowboy entrepreneurs. If this theme park is such a good venture, then let investors fund the construction. I’m so sick of all the concessions municipalities provide to “for profit” enterprises. Taxpayers should be getting royalties on these deals.
Free-market capitalism:
noun. A political idiology favoring the government stay out of of the way of capitalism when it is in the best interest of the rich, to support capitalism when that is in the best interest of the rich, and to enact other policies and laws that are needed to ensure the rich always get richer.
“‘Anything that can reduce pricing will help the current situation,’ he said.”
Unless you’re an FB desperate to sell, but being undercut by builders.
What will help is if builders finally stop building. But, of course, that isn’t going to happen until prices drop below cost of construction and builders go bankrupt under the weight of falling land prices. So, in an indirect way, he is 100% correct.
Very few builders understand what is going on. Maby what we a witnessing is a “Spatial Anomoly”. The builders and developers are still in 2004, while the rest of us are in 2007.
“Two East Valley real estate investment firms have joined up to buy more than 6,800 acres of land in Casa Grande from national homebuilder D.R. Horton for $70 million, a deal that could bring 23,000 homes to the community.”
“‘It’ll be larger than the city of Casa Grande itself,’ said Tim Wolff, co-president of The Wolff Co.”
Interesting historical irony here…
Casa Grande was also the name of an Hohokam Indian housing project, that went bk, around 1450 a.d.
http://www.nps.gov/cagr/historyculture/index.htm
They were at a loss for water.
At least their bubble lasted 60 years.
By 2450 A.D., the archeologists who will be digging all the buried unsold McMansions will call them as Casa Grande. Ain’t history pretty?
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‘In order to reduce inventory and other things, these new developments in areas that aren’t doing very well are offering deals, so your best deal is probably the new home market not the resale market.’
And the resale owners will sit tight and do nothing? With 30-40% of listed homes being vacant, how long can they afford a 10% a year drain (carrying costs), not to mention the falling prices?
Jas
And, new home buyers have to sell first…. Or have a lease agreement, which is why apartments are having to fight for tenants.
I think Ben missed a key article about AZ.
http://tinyurl.com/2e5kl7
“The state unemployment rate rose to 3.5 percent in October from 3.3 percent in September, the Arizona Department of Economic Security reported Thursday.”
“Only one-third of the number of retail jobs normally added in October were created, causing DES economist Don Wehbeyto express concern about the holiday shopping season.”
“But growth to 2.7 million jobs was only a 1.7 percent increase over the number of jobs at the same time a year ago, the slowest growth rate for the year.”
“The biggest weakness was in the goods-producing industries, such as manufacturing, construction and mining. Those sectors lost 4,300 jobs alone in October, after two months of below-average growth.
Construction has lost almost 19,000 jobs over the past year.”
And, should we add to the Casa Grade/Eloy Theme park story?
http://tinyurl.com/24k4gn
“Westcor’s Promenade at Casa Grande is on 130 acres”
“The center brings Dillard’s, Target, Kohl’s, JCPenney, PetSmart, Staples and Harkins Theatres to Pinal County. ”
“Similar shopping and entertainment centers to open in the Valley since November 2006 are SanTan Village in Gilbert, Tempe Marketplace, Mesa Riverview and Westgate City Center in Glendale.”
Will people keep moving here if there are not enough jobs? If people do stop moving here, who is going to shop at all these new shopping center? When did they start calling shopping centers “lifestyle centers”?
Why do people like all these shopping centers? It’s so much easier to shop on line and have stuff delivered to you. No driving, parking or dealing with the public drama.
Fortunately or unfortunately, not everyone has a computer in their home or has easy access to a computer.
Are you serious? What percentage of people do you think don’t have access to a computer at work or at home or both? People choose to go shopping as entertainment a lot these days. They add movie theaters to the malls to entice folks there. Why do you think they’re now called “lifestyle” centers?
Shopping is a “lifestyle”, didn’t you know?
Neigh on Nye, hold the wry.
“The women reading off the trustee sales weren’t hard to find. They were standing under the flagpole in front of the Nye County Courthouse promptly at 11 a.m. After this action, their property is either sold to a high bidder or it reverts back to a beneficiary, a finance company.”
“Mostly they’re talking to themselves, no one usually shows up to buy them.”
Ben (or anyone else):
Any thoughts on Flagstaff?
My wife and I are looking into moving there at some stage in the next two years.
Good luck trying to find something reasonable. I love it there but can’t stomach the prices. Ben says they’re coming down though.
Rent. It’s gonna take a while. If you mention a bubble up here most people just get an odd look on their face, although many do know the score, including ..ahem.. some of the local media.
Can one still take the train there? We used to take the train from LA to Flag. Favorite part was stopping in Barstow for dinner (kidding).
The runway at the Flagstaff Airport is being extended to accommodate regional jets like the CRJ. So far has any carrier stepped up to provide direct flights into Flagstaff from, say, SFO or LAX? The only way to get their now is through Sky Harbor and then take a puddle jumper or a two hour car drive.
there
Try that drive on a Friday afternoon. Double that drive to 4 hours.
We always thought it was funny that you had to come down to Phoenix to get on the passenger train – even though it stopped in flagstaff. I guess it was just a rest stop or something, but honest, no admittance there.
Englishman in NJ – If you’re really serious about moving and ever buying in flagstaff, bring cash. Housing has ALWAYS been an issue up there (family has been in AZ for three generations now – I lived up there for 7 years – fall 1983 to Christmas 1990). While they will come down from the high, I don’t recall any point –ever – that the price had anything to do with the local economy. It’s a hotel\food\gas stop on I-40 and a college town. The college acts to greatly pressure down wages (if you have a company up there you literally have the pick of every years graduating class as EVERYONE at NAU spends at least some time trying to figure out how they can stay up there…), while at the same time prop up cost (half the town is college kids – who need somewhere to live during the school year…). The result is there are very few jobs – in any area, that pay enough to buy. As I recall we all joked “Flagstaff is where you go AFTER you make money somewhere else…” And it’s still by and large the case.
Even with the rest of the state tanking in the late 80’s into the mid 90’s it’s not like housing up there was nay more realistic (and remember, we had massive S&L issues and there where thousands of HUD homes in Phoenix). Housing\employment up there is such an issue it has been known to cause issues in NAU’s ability to attract top qualified teaching staff (as in, when I was there, a highly sought after teacher finally had to say no to the department as “what would my husband do? Became an unsolvable issue…).
“Valleywide, the median resale home price fell from $257,000 last October to $242,000 last month. It was the lowest monthly median home price since May 2005 when it was $235,000, said Jay Butler, Realty Studies director.”
May 2005 is nothing. The prices in Phoenix really zoomed upward from late 2003 to May 2005. When I see “lowest prices since November 2003″ I may be in a buying mood.
At least here they can’t pretend it is due to being harder to get Jumbo. Houses over $400K are a very small protion of our market (except Scottsdale).
“The prices in Phoenix really zoomed upward from late 2003 “…corresponding exactly to the introduction of widespread exotic loans of every stripe tailored to fit any FICO.
Question .
If you hold a foreclosure auction with reserves and no one shows up does a tree fall in the forest ?
“Home builders are working to roll back or delay some Tucson-area impact fees…
Don’t fall for it, Tucson! I have a friend who’s very into local Maryland politics. He said that in 2004-2005 the (bought and paid for) Montgomery County Council deferred impact fees too. The builders went gangbuster crazy throwing up McCrap. Then the builders either pocket their profit and skimp on the infrastructure, bribe officials to reduce the fees afterward, or go out of business and/or disappear or get out of the fees some other way. The end result is that you have a woeful shortage on schools and roads and services.
Not sure how true this is, but it sounds plausible enough.
Housing, hedge funds and plain old greed are going to make just about everyone poor in THIS recession.
Buy Now.. before toilet paper out values the DOLLAR
Check this out, Ben. Would this place really have appraised for 500K plus? It seems high to me at the auction opening price of 297.
http://flagstaff.craigslist.org/rfs/481019868.html
This is what makes N. AZ worth the money. Just not as much money as they want right now.
http://www.eighomes.com/auctions/071118/Views1.html
There’s a video on msnbc with the owner of Remax. Warning: you may hurl. Lines such as, “It’s always a good time to buy. Because once you’re in the market you’re set.” Doom.
MrBubble
I saw one from Century 21 this morning saying that if you’re looking for a home, it is a always a great time to buy…. The longest segment in the montage of surface happiness is “Why continue renting when for the same price you can own?”.
Great. Where in the country can I buy and have the total cost of ownership at fully amortized rate be equal to rent?
“Lowering fees could help further, said John Strobeck, a local housing market analyst. ‘Anything that can reduce pricing will help the current situation,’ he said.”
If anything can help, then I suggest price reductions back to 1998 (pre-bubble) levels, inflation-adjusted of course!
Ben is correct. It is going to take a while here in Az.
The new meme being spread down here is….”the Canadian Loonie is worth more than the Greenback, Canadians are coming here to buy from up North and Fla if they can.”
Two insider stories from a worker at a large builder down here:
This builder has 400-500 spec homes. Soon to be announced is not another new build will be started till that number gets to around 125.
And…
New homes are still selling in Maricopa. Something about being so close to that Garbage incinerator in Mobile must make people feel cool about grabbing fallin knives.
And…
This same builder has many employees that own not one home…but several. One guy my source told me owns…10!! All on a $75k salary.
Geez!
It’s gonna take a while.
One guy my source told me owns…10!! All on a $75k salary.
Oh yeah, this can only turn out well…
Today’s Officer Of Loan (TOOL)
“The latest financial woes center on buyers of the third phase of Lake Las Vegas dropping their plans to acquire land as expected, Cox said. Lake Las Vegas, although it took sizable deposits, was counting on $100 million in option payments from builders that fell through, said David Cox, the chief financial officer of Lake Las Vegas.”
““‘It’ll be larger than the city of Casa Grande itself,’ said Tim Wolff, co-president of The Wolff Co.”
Is there anything there besides the Walmart?
This should help the unemployment rate, but will KILL the rental and housing market!
http://tinyurl.com/ynl4tn
“Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of undocumented workers have been fired as a result of Arizona businesses reviewing the work-eligibility forms of their employees as the state’s new employer-sanctions law draws near.”
“Internal reviews of those forms by businesses have led to the firing of ‘many hundreds of workers, and perhaps thousands,’ said Julie Pace, a Phoenix lawyer who is performing I-9 audits for companies.”
“‘Many hundreds, I think, would be very conservative,’ she said.”
“The study estimates that there are 340,000 illegal workers in Arizona, 12 percent of the state’s workforce.”
My hope is that we hold the line, that lots and lots of these illeags leave, that the govt can slash spending and cut taxes. I hope that businesses will have to pay higher wages to LEGAL residents that come to take those jobs. I hope that other states, and the U.S. govt will see the success of this and do something similar nationwide.
What are people going to do when they realize that not only have they overpaid but also that the construction of their homes is of very shoddy quality?
Foreclosure and bankruptcy.
Lake Las Vegas> It is really scary to see the place so empty, i don’t know how the Hotels stay in business nobody around and the new housing areas are like a nuke test is coming everyone is gone.
You drive around a one or two people look at you like i hope they buy it is getting lonely out here. To bad pretty development, but the outlinning areas are marginal at best good times or bad?