November 23, 2007

The Clean Up, The Explanations And The Reform

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Median new home prices in the Las Vegas area fell 9.2 percent in October to $299,575 while sales plummeted 49 percent to 1,302, compared with the same month a year ago, according to SalesTraq. Existing home prices dropped 11.4 percent in October to $257,000 and sales were down 44.3 percent to 1,549. SalesTraq president Larry Murphy said in one subdivision of the Anthem community in suburban Henderson, new home prices were slashed $250,000, or about 30 percent.”

“Nearly all home builders in Las Vegas have reduced prices in new subdivisions around the valley, said Murphy.”

“North Las Vegas homeowner Steve Rohl sold his home at auction in October after watching it linger on the market as home prices dropped. ‘Putting your home on the (MLS) and expecting a sale is like watching dinosaurs dodge asteroids,’ Rohl said. ‘It’s an exercise in futility. Have you tried to do an open house lately? There are six open houses within a block of me. You’re lucky to get one person.’”

“Metro Detroit’s once-booming condo market has hit the skids. Caught in the middle of the condo slump is Anne Feighan, who bought her two-bedroom, two-bath condominium at the SkyLofts Market Square building in Royal Oak for $310,000 in October 2005. Just two years later, it has lost $50,000 in value.”

“‘I wish I would’ve rented,’ Feighan said. ‘It stinks. For me to try and sell right now would be insane. I know that no matter what happens, I’m going to lose money on it.’”

“October figures released by the Southern Twin Cities Association of Realtors, indicate that 63 single family detached homes are currently for sale in the community (55009 zip code). There are also 13 condominiums or townhouses on the market. Local sellers closed on the sale of only three homes in October, compared to six closings last October.”

“‘The office isn’t getting many inquiries about lots or new construction,’ Jim Althoff of Edina Realty noted. ‘People are also asking ‘Why would you build a new house, when you can buy a used one so cheap?’”

“Tom Carnel has been in business for 30 years, and this is the most foreclosures he’s ever seen. ‘It’s also the worst market since the ’80s,’ he said.”

“Andy Walker, president of the South Carolina Realtors said the recent declines in local home sales indicate a return to a normal market. The biggest problem, Walker said, is a tightening in the mortgage industry, which has become more cautious about verifying income, credit, job status and property value.”

“‘That’s just normal. That’s not unusual,’ he said. ‘What’s been unusual is the ability of buyers to just walk in and get a loan for whatever they want … without there being any verification.’”

“They lined up in the cold for days just to get a chance at buying into one of Toronto’s hottest condominium buildings. But all the buyers literally fighting for a spot in the queue for the 80-storey tower were really at the end of the line.”

“About a week earlier, the developers held a posh party in a nice warm sales office for the home-run hitters among Toronto’s real estate agents. About 24 hours later, those agents and their clients got first dibs at buying.”

“‘It’s like owning a night club. If you have a big lineup outside, you let the people in first who keep coming back,’ said Brad Lamb, generally regarded as one of the city’s superstar agents. ‘The regulars get to come in because they are the ones who continually support your business.’”

“Peak season for Shenzhen’s property market is the autumn months of September and October. But this year, the number of transactions dropped sharply over that period, as banks tightened credit and local governments issued policies to curb rising prices.”

“Wang Feng, Deputy Director of Shenzhen Real Estate Research Center said ‘Currently, more and more properties smaller than 90 square meters are being sold. More properties in the 70 to 90 square meter range will hit the market next year. So property prices will experience an adjustment.’”

“According to the research center, both investors and home buyers are taking a wait-and-see approach and that creates a stagnant market. But prices, which soared from an average 9000 yuan per square meter last year to 15,000 yuan in August, are expected to remain high.”

“Election day will be another day of house-hunting for thousands of Victorians still fighting to get into the market. Irena Kades was determined to get her dream piece of land at Sanctuary Lakes by camping out last night to be in the running today.”

“Ms Kades and her husband recently sold their first home at Pt Cook and said they were keen to secure the land in an effort to beat soaring prices.”

“Australians for Affordable Housing spokesman David Imber said whoever wins the election will have to act fast to address the dire situation. ‘The reality is, when people wake up on Sunday, there will still be 1.1 million Australians in housing stress,’ Mr Imber said.”

“Kasey* from Boronia is addicted to credit. When she sees advertising offering her money, she applies. At just 23, Kasey has racked up more than a quarter of a million dollars of debt. Her minimum monthly repayments outstrip her income by almost $500.”

“‘I’m kind of addicted to finances (sic). Now I’m up s–t creek without a paddle.’”

“Now that her repayments are more than her income, you might think the financial institutions would stop lending her money, but you’d be wrong. Just last month, she applied to GE Money for another personal loan of $7000. Not only was the $7000 approved, she was offered $10,000.”

“‘I answered all their questions honestly and told them about all my other debts and my income,’ says Kasey. ‘When I was on the phone to them, I was actually kind of thinking to myself. ‘God, I hope they don’t approve this.’”

“No one can say how or when the subprime mortgage crisis will end. But the next act will not, or at least should not, include Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac riding to the housing market’s rescue. That became clear Tuesday when Freddie reported an all-time record quarterly loss of $2 billion, just 11 days after Fannie Mae reported a $1.4 billion loss.”

“A Fannie-Freddie rescue always seemed unwise to us, in part because it would address the crisis by boosting home prices generally rather than delivering relief targeted to those borrowers who need it most. It also didn’t seem terribly feasible.”

“The losses at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae show that not even the GSEs are immune to the rot spreading from the subprime market. This is no time to pile new risks on top of those, known and unknown, that Fannie and Freddie already bear.”

Warning, a PDF file with Swerve Magazines’ cover story from Calgary. Right click, save to disk, second page from the end, “If you want to know more about why the U.S. housing market is wobbling like a Weeble in a hurricane, you might want to check out the Housing Bubble Blog. Ben Jones’ readers are a smart, sensible lot, hailing from across the political spectrum.”

“Because his readers are able to highlight local trends as they happen, Jones has been able to connect seemingly isolated dots. As early as 2005, what could have been dismissed as individual pricks in the bubble instead add up to signs that the air is whistling out of the U.S. economy as a whole.”

“‘We call it a Rolling Bubble,’ says Jones, describing how what happens in Florida rolls into Nevada… South Carolina… California… Massachusetts. ‘Similar trends break out all over the country, they’re just not in sync.’”

“‘This isn’t an academic exercise, this is real life,’ he says. ‘You have to look at the Housing Bubble Blog as a lens. Now we’re into the clean up, the explanations and the reform.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2007-11-23 16:12:34

Another great week and still no server crashes. My thanks to those who suppost this blog. Please check back this weekend for news, your market observations and topics.

Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-23 16:58:37

Congratulations Ben!

 
Comment by wmbz
2007-11-23 17:28:59

Mr.Jones… Great piece from Calgary! Congratulations, look forward to the book.
This excerpt from what is becoming history has been an education. One that so many must/will learn the hard way.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2007-11-23 18:12:45

It is so fitting that a Calgary publication picked this up. Work took me to Calgary and Red Deer many times. That part of Alberta and its people are wonderful and I hope they weather this bust in good form. A tip to all HBBer’s - drive the Icefields Parkway the first chance you get.

Comment by doug r
2007-11-24 10:20:36

Bumper sticker in Calgary in the mid-80’s (after the ‘82 bust):
God, please let there be another oil boom-I promise not to piss it all away this time!

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Comment by Tim
2007-11-23 19:55:12

Do you have assistants help you out? How do you stay so current? Good job man!

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-11-23 16:26:27

Fear and Home-ing in Las Vegas, A Savage Journey To The Heart Of The American Dream

“North Las Vegas homeowner Steve Rohl sold his home at auction in October after watching it linger on the market as home prices dropped. ‘Putting your home on the (MLS) and expecting a sale is like watching dinosaurs dodge asteroids,’ Rohl said. ‘It’s an exercise in futility. Have you tried to do an open house lately? There are six open houses within a block of me. You’re lucky to get one person.’”

Comment by Craven Moorehead
2007-11-23 16:45:57

expecting a sale is like watching dinosaurs dodge asteroids

Wow, they’re smoking the good stuff out there in Vegas. Doing Hunter S. Thompson proud.

Comment by sweeny texas
2007-11-23 20:45:30

“I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2007-11-23 16:49:21

The biggest problem, Walker said, is a tightening in the mortgage industry, which has become more cautious about verifying income, credit, job status and property value.”

Wrong answer Andy, tightening is not a problem! The damn problem started with (as we all know) lending money to any one dead or alive.

BTW… I did a drive by one of our largest malls here in Columbia, SC this morning around 10:00AM. Packed to the max, you could just smell the numbers melting off of credit cards.

Also a sister in law of mine that works in relocation with an ERA real estate company informed me that they have seen an up tick in renters being evicted due to owner defaults from out of State. How can that be, I thought all the halfbacks wanted to “live” in the Carolina’s

 
Comment by Termite
2007-11-23 16:49:47

This from the local daily where I live in Upstate South Carolina. It seems to be different everywhere.

Nick Kremydas, chief executive officer of SCAR, said South Carolina’s housing market is strong and stable, despite concerns of a slumping national housing market. He said the situation in South Carolina is quite different from the sensational news of foreclosures and families being thrown out of their homes being reported elsewhere.

“South Carolina is on track to grow by more than a million more people over the next 15 years,” Kremydas said. “Every one of these people will need a place to call home,”

Kremydas said it is that same population growth that is behind homes increasing in value in just about every corner of the state since 2000.

http://www.upstatetoday.com/news/2007/nov/23/upstate-housing-stays-steady/

Comment by Neil
2007-11-23 19:54:27

Yes, its different everywhere…

ummm…

Yep. Soon no more pretending. Then what will the sales rate be?

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by Mike
2007-11-23 16:52:58

Ah, yes. Here comes the spin. CNN News website reports that shoppers are spending billions and, “Worried retailers are breathing a sigh of relief.” Gee, what made me think otherwise. (lol)

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2007-11-23 18:20:47

If the MSM follows standard operating procedure the sales figures on this season will oscillate several times between extremes (presumably to build drama and interest). Sometime in the middle of January the real numbers will be known - but by then they will be the last thing consumers will want to hear - as the credit card bills will have started to arrive. Watch the MSM, they do this every year.

 
 
Comment by txchick57
2007-11-23 16:56:20

I want that house on page 4 of the Calgary .pdf!

Comment by mikey
2007-11-23 19:48:34

Meanwhile in the large scheme of things here on Earth Santa,
txchick57 as usual, is still having great trouble distinguishing between her WANTS and her NEEDS :)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2007-11-23 17:02:21

Ben — Congrats on the Calgary article. I love the captioned illustrations of some of our favorite barnyard animals to the right side of the page. (Luckily I finished drinking coffee for the day eight hours ago, or my keyboard would be doused!)

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2007-11-24 09:21:20

The ostrich with its head in a pile of dollars

 
Comment by az_lender
2007-11-24 19:31:19

Calgary article, while crediting us with smarts and sense, notes that we “hail from across the political spectrum” — well, KIND of. It does seem the Ron Paul contingent is over-represented. (I’m one of them, but the others are either very many or very loud.)

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2007-11-23 17:06:52

‘Putting your home on the (MLS) and expecting a sale is like watching dinosaurs dodge asteroids,’ Rohl said. ‘It’s an exercise in futility.’

What! He got to watch that?! I’m super mad! I missed that show. Why does no one ever tell me about these things? Buncha jerks! I missed the Black Death, the Crusades, and Johnny Appleseed’s prom night, too. Now I’m just mad.

 
Comment by tweedle-dee (not dumb)
2007-11-23 17:13:22

NEWSFLASH Arizona homes are being marketed to Canadian buyers up in Calgary !

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ARIZONA, 2nd home & Investment Seminar, Sun. Nov 25 1-2:30 pm Delta Calgary South Hotel Macleod & Southland. Why Arizona? Keys to owning US R.E Nothing to buy, no pressure. Reservations @ http://www.theAZPROS.com or call 866-955-PROS (7767) The Denney Team, Jon Denney PC John Hall & Assocates
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There are lots more here:
http://homes.canada.com/calgary/results.aspx?cls_id=36728

“Learn about saving up to $100,000 on homes in Arizona and California.”

No kidding ! They are running radio ads like crazy too. What a scam !

 
Comment by jack
2007-11-23 18:23:11

http://jondenney.com/Scottsdale_AZ_homes_for_sale.shtml

Amazing!! $125,0000

Nothing more need be said

Comment by Tim
2007-11-23 19:48:19

LOL at the “Denney Team.” Those losers cant even spell “Deny” correctly. Who would buy an over priced POS from them?

 
 
Comment by Little Al
2007-11-23 18:43:10

Great article Ben.
It is clear that Calgary’s bubble is going to burst a whole lot faster than in other places because the public up north is being warned by their southern neighbors.
How bout that! The article called us smart.

 
Comment by Neil
2007-11-23 18:59:29

“‘I wish I would’ve rented,’ Feighan said. ‘It stinks. For me to try and sell right now would be insane. I know that no matter what happens, I’m going to lose money on it.’”

Chuckle. Now on an option ARM, the monthly nugget was probably only about 60% more than renting. If it was a conventional loan… ouch.

$50k loss? only by NAR propaganda. Its a condo in Detroit.

Got popcorn?
Neil

Comment by AnnScott
2007-11-23 19:45:01

And then there is gem of brillance from her:

“”Feighan in Royal Oak plans to wait the downturn out. Engaged and house hunting, she’s resigned herself to leasing her loft at a loss until the market picks back up.”I’d rather bleed slowly than gush blood all at once,” she said. “Every other weekend, there’s fire sales on these condos. The builders are desperately trying to get rid of them, and I just can’t compete.”

Uh huh. I’ve been in Royal Oak. Basic boring post-WWII/1950’s suburb of 1200 -1800 sq ft house on tiny lots surrounded by highways and strip malls. $310,000 condo and she thinks anyone will pay enough rent to even cover the taxes and HOA fees? She is probably carrying at least $2000 or better in mortgage, taxes and insurance. She would be lucky to get $600 - 900 a month in rent. (Assuming people still have jobs after the crash of the auto industry in Detroit.)

I wouldn’t call that a ’slow bleed.’ Guess she is a mascochist and wants to prolong the pain as long as possible.

Comment by Hazard
2007-11-23 20:16:08

No way is anything worth $310k in Royal Oak. Go next door where the ex-car company execs live(d) in Birmingham or up the road to Bloomfield Hills and you’ll find some real bargains (especially in the next couple of years). Assuming they don’t turn into ghost towns.

 
 
Comment by Tim
2007-11-23 20:09:32

How much you want to want to bet she drove her Range Rover to the mall today? I hope she is at least pretty.

Comment by Neil
2007-11-23 21:08:45

I hope she is at least pretty.
Why? Because it obvious she can be taken advantage of? ;)

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
 
Comment by Ouro Verde
2007-11-23 19:12:26

Some of you HBBers who do not watch CNBC would just freak. Most of the time everything I read on Ben’s weekend blogs show up first thing monday morning. Its like a reality show of Ben’s blog. I’m reading about a company going bankrupt and sure enough CNBC just reports it. Its mulitmedia man. Foreclosure stats, foreign news and downgrading of bonds its all here first.

Comment by CA renter
2007-11-24 05:14:08

Absolutely. I’ve seen so many things posted here even weeks & months (and years!) before it hits the MSM. This blog is way ahead of anything else. THANK YOU, BEN! :)

Congratulations on the article, Ben!

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2007-11-23 19:14:46

For those hoping for a trampled shopper story:
http://wkrg.com/news/article/mall_mele_shoppers_trampled/7248/

People are dumb dumbs.

Comment by Tim
2007-11-23 20:04:43

Nothing wrong with a pregnant women fighting her way through a mob crowd in the hopes of a free gift. Dont be so judgemental.

Comment by txchick57
2007-11-23 20:12:15

LOL!!!! I knew it!

 
 
 
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Comment by Brad
2007-11-24 00:31:34

from Kass’s column:

“Stated simply, Warren Buffett is now probably licking his chops — “I’d be a bum on the street with a tin cup if the markets were always efficient”
——————–
Yep. My Berkshire shares are up 50% in 2 years and about to become even more valuable. 2008 should be a lot of fun. It’s called flight to quality.

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2007-11-23 21:27:47

OT, but Jim Puplava predicts a Hyperinflationary Depression starting in 2009-2012. You can see it coming.

Those of you who watch TV news, have they mentioned car notes being delinquent?

Peter Schiff mentioned it this week, but I haven’t heard it on radio money shows.

Comment by Brad
2007-11-24 00:24:53

Does Pupluva have a track record of successful predictions, or can we throw it in with The Imminent Decline of Western Civilization and the Second Coming?

txchick’s link features commentators with well deserved credibility

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2007-11-24 05:28:07

Brad,
Jim Puplava is a very intelligent Financial Broker, who you want to look up. We have cemented great returns by listening to him. Do some research on him. Nasties aren’t cool.

Jim Puplava, Marc Faber, or Jim Rogers, bright minds.

Comment by Brad
2007-11-24 08:41:35

awaiting wipeout,
Bright minds are not enough. All the talking heads on CNBC who chatter endlessly have bright minds. No consistent track record equals no credibility.

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Comment by gold800
2007-11-24 14:41:51

Puplava has been predicted the run-up in gold in 2001 & the energy/resource sector bull market. He has also made more short-term forecasts that have been mostly right on the money - for example 4 major trends he predicted at the beginning of the year have come true, check show transcripts I can’t remember exact details). He’s one of the rare persons with a full understanding of both peak oil & gold standard/fiat currency issues.; and like this blog he’s been warning about the housing mess for years now and predicted this whole subprime meltdown. He isn’t always right - recently he said he didn’t expect the dollar to fall below 80 in the short term, which it has; but his long term views have been solid & proven out. Hee holds opinions quite close to Peter Schiff, if you know who that is (he’s often on Fox business news).

His radio show is a must for any investors at financialsense.com . Especially gold/energy longs (which is what Puplava recommends mostly).

 
 
Comment by Brad
2007-11-24 08:47:28

a prediction is not credible just because it is highly pessimistic

there is a certain audience that can’t get enough doom and gloom to the point of interfering with rational thought

some guy who happens to be a gold bug says we are in for unprecedented financial destruction. yippee!!

Comment by Joshua Tree
2007-11-24 14:54:50

Jim Puplava did a series of essays known as the “Perfect Storm” series. His predictions were spot on, for the most part.

Read and enjoy.

 
Comment by Jim
2007-11-24 17:53:39

You might want to check-out this week’s “The Economist” currently on the newstands. The Economist has been warning of significant, global economic problems — and in America in particular.

This week’s cover story (”America’s vulnerable economy”), with cover artwork reminiscent of “Jaws”, suggests that a recession in America looks increasingly likely and that the dollar seems to be teetering on a precipice.

Elsewhere The Economist flatly states that “America’s economy will feel grim.” That’s WILL, not ‘might’. Oh, and it cites Deutsche Bank’s estimate that overall subprime losses will hit $400 billion, not the $50 - $100 billion that B. Bernanke estimated earlier this summer (just a couple of months ago).

Big predictions from a typically staid and cautious publication.

 
 
 
Comment by neon kitty lips
2007-11-23 22:34:12

Looked at the flyers in the window of a Real Estate office today. Saw one with a new twist on describing price reduction……it’s now called ‘Price Improvement’.

Comment by Pamela
2007-11-24 06:02:05

I like that-where I like in Tennessee they call it
a price change

Comment by Tim
2007-11-24 06:35:31

Around here, half the adds say “Below Market - Instant Equity” or “Below Appraisal.” Realtors are apparently told that market = the greater of (i) peak prices or (ii) what some bank was willing to lend for a huge commission to originate a loan and immediately hand it to buyer waiting in the wings. Don’t blame them. The silicone in their body is affecting their brains.

Want to see the appraisal??? Huh? Huh? Ummmm. Not really. I don’t see the relevance.

 
 
Comment by Jim
2007-11-24 17:26:23

That’s like the phrase I heard in government for completing something grossly late: “time slippage.” To wit …..

“Yeah, we got the project done, but it was 3 months late — had some major league time slippage.”

 
 
Comment by T
2007-11-23 23:48:24

This is funny on many levels — let’s start with $1000 per square foot condos in Toronto with line ups of over a week with ‘paid’ sitters for the option of squandering money… then a bit of ‘democracy’ and who should be *first* able to buy — silliness still is rampant in Canada…. just that we are somewhat ‘more’ organized in our rush off the cliff :-)
http://www.eye.net/city/features/article/10534

 
Comment by T
2007-11-23 23:53:22

This is funny on many levels — let’s start with $1000 per square foot condos in Toronto with line ups of over a week with ‘paid’ sitters for the option of squandering money… then a bit of ‘democracy’ and who should be *first* able to buy — silliness still is rampant in Canada…. just that we are somewhat ‘more’ organized in our rush off the cliff :-)

http://www.eye.net/city/features/article/10534

Comment by doug r
2007-11-24 14:07:49

That is just frikin’ crazy. Makes $675,000 for 1272 square feet in Vancouver seem positively sane.

 
 
Comment by lefantome
2007-11-24 00:20:10

“I answered all their questions honestly and told them about all my other debts and my income,’ says Kasey. ‘When I was on the phone to them, I was actually kind of thinking to myself. ‘God, I hope they don’t approve this…….”

Aw diddums…. Do you actually think “them” thought you were ever paying these debts? The fact that you have never found yourself in credit hell, was the icing on the approval of additional credit.

When Sugar-Daddy runs dry, that will be the end of your debt building….. God willing.

 
Comment by SVGUY
2007-11-24 01:14:39

“‘We call it a Rolling Bubble,’ says Jones, describing how what happens in Florida rolls into Nevada… South Carolina… California… Massachusetts. ‘Similar trends break out all over the country, they’re just not in sync.’”

The SF Bay Area RE Bubble started sadly earlier in 1997-98. By 2000 prices doubled. Yep! its a bubble…. there were plenty of fake offers aimed at creating a buying frenzy and distorted appraisals.
As such we had over 450 percent increase over 10 years yet inflation and salary bearly kept pace.

Comment by CA renter
2007-11-24 05:17:06

I also saw prices start really moving in 1997/1998 in LA and San Diego.

This bubble has had a very looong run. I think the depth of the bottom will surprise even some of the regular HBB’ers.

Comment by Tim
2007-11-24 06:46:01

Since so many ppl were pulling their equity out, price drops of 15% are very dangerous and price drops below 25% are disasterous, as at this point so many ppl will be upside down that most properties will go straight to foreclosure when ppl can’t afford the resets or hit bad times (and the recession is just around the corner). Banks are already hemmoraging as it is and will need to dump. I have no doubt that bank auctions in mid 2009 will contain many sales at prices less than 50% of current levels.

 
 
 
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