November 28, 2007

The Theme For This Year Is ‘A Dose Of Fear’

The Albuquerque Tribune reports from New Mexico. “With the housing market slowing in Albuquerque, sellers are trying some unusual approaches to bring buyers to their doors. Longford Homes had its first-ever auction. The company put up 30 homes on the Duke City’s northwest side that have sat empty an average of six months. Colorado resident Emmet Main walked away from the auction paying $230,000 for a house previously priced at roughly $300,000 by Longford Homes.”

“Main and his wife had considered moving to Albuquerque for a year. The main problem was the cost of homes. ‘Prices have been out of sight,’ he said. ‘Up, up, up for the past few years. It has gone out of reach for a lot of people.’”

“While the auctioneer poured numbers from his mouth in a rhythmic, guttural monotone, his tuxedo-wearing assistants rushed between aisles waving their arms, clenching their fists, clapping their hands and shouting out the bids they took from audience members who lifted numbered white cards.”

“In the corner, a line of young women steadily applauded and smiled. The auctioneer interspersed his pitch with jokes — ‘I’m going to ask you 10 more times, ma’am; I don’t have time to beg you,’ he said as he playfully requested bids from a woman in the audience.”

“One Albuquerque seller who didn’t want to be named is giving away an antique dinner table, a hutch and china with his house. Some builders are offering kitchens full of appliances, while others, including KB Home, have sweepstakes for buyers that will offer a chance at a room full of Disney furniture.”

“In the current market, Pulte Homes of New Mexico sales manager Joe Maez has this advice: Take advantage of the dropping market and buy homes while you can. ‘It’s a huge opportunity, because there’s a perception of a buyer’s market,’ he said. ‘2008 is going to be a seller’s market again.’”

“Over the past four years Travis Thom has bought and then sold about 20 houses for a speedy profit. That strategy worked when the Albuquerque real estate market was hot, but it’s on hold for the time being, says Thom, a real estate broker in Albuquerque and a so-called home flipper.”

“‘I am kind of waiting on the sidelines with a few other people,’ Thom said.”

“Realtor Chris Pino said about half of his job involves tracking down homes that investors can fix up and quickly sell. In the past, such sales would take three months, but Pino now estimates 12 months. ‘I’ve never seen it this slow,’ he said. ‘There’s just not very many buyers right now. People are not making decisions.’”

The Arizona Daily Star. “Some agents say representing buyers in a buyer’s market makes sense, particularly for buyers relocating to Tucson, and it helps the agents land business in the midst of a slowdown. ‘Buyers are in greater demand than in recent years,’ said Jim Hogan, director of the Hogan School of Real Estate.”

“One caveat to representing relocation clients is that some might have trouble selling their homes in order to move, said Bonnie Smith, a Long Realty agent. Lately, some clients have had to ask Above & Beyond Relocation Services for help finding a rental property because of problems selling other homes, said Laurie Becker, a partner in the service.”

“‘Being a buyer’s agent before wasn’t nearly as much fun,’ said Jon Quist, a longtime exclusive buyer’s agent, referring to the high-pressure environment of the boom years. ‘Now you can go out, and you can be calm and look at houses.’”

The Arizona Republic. “Phoenix will likely have to slash programs and services in the coming year as the result of a budget shortfall caused by the slowing housing market and plunging sales-tax revenue. The current forecast shows Phoenix will take in $53 million less than expected over the next 18 months, virtually guaranteeing steep cuts to nearly every department in the city.”

“‘It’s clear that we’re going to be cutting programs,’ Phoenix City Manager Frank Fairbanks said Tuesday. ‘There really is no other recourse.’”

“Valley cities are the latest entities to be rocked by the slowdown in consumer spending that has accompanied the bursting of the housing bubble nationwide. The state is facing an $800 million budget shortfall this year that could balloon to $1.5 billion next year.”

“The situation is similarly bleak in Mesa, which is more dependent on sales-tax revenue than other cities because it does not levy a property tax. ‘Pretty dismal, pretty disappointing,’ is how Deputy City Manager Bryan Raines described Mesa’s latest sales-tax report.”

“Tempe has also experienced slumping sales taxes. Scottsdale’s finance officials have watched the city’s sales-tax revenue drop steadily since September, as well. ‘I expect things to get worse before they get better,’ Finance Director Craig Clifford said. ‘I expect it’s going to be a tough economy for us in the next 12 months or so.’”

The Nevada Appeal. “A self-described ’small’ developer said a slow housing market is not the time for Lyon County to raise water and sewage connection fees. Randy Butler…said he is staying afloat right now, but contractors are facing little or no profit and he is concerned about the county wanting to raise fees.”

“‘The cost of building homes exceeds the market value,’ he said.”

“Butler said many development projects were doomed when banks lost hundreds of millions of dollars encouraging people to build too many homes, and those homes are now being foreclosed on.”

“‘Whatever problems you have, I don’t think you can pay that through developers,’ he said, noting that prices for some homes have dropped more than $100,000. ‘We are not out of the woods, not by a long shot.’”

The Reno Gazette Journal from Nevada. “Nervous Washoe County homeowners are calling the assessor’s office by the hundreds to make sure the large increases in land values shown on recent county mailings won’t be reflected in their property taxes next year.”

“Thomas Gregory, a retiree who lives in the Galena Country Estates on the Mount Rose Highway, said he was ‘floored’ when he saw the land value for his home on less than a half-acre is rising from $66,256 to $159,600.”

“‘I have a pile of rocks worth $100,000 more, and there ain’t a bit of gold in it,’ Gregory joked.”

“The south county had not been reappraised for five years, and home sales studied in a required three-year period included the peak of the housing boom. Even though home prices now are dropping, that lag time is why property assessments went up so much in the south.”

“After reappraising the south end of Truckee Meadows, Washoe Valley and Incline Village, Assessor Josh Wilson said the average land value is up 80 percent for the tax year starting July 1 over the current tax year.”

“Wilson said the median county housing price for 2007 is $326,165. That’s down from a peak of $365,581 in 2006 and from $343,403 for 2005, the years covered in the study.”

“Wilson said the Legislature will talk about changing the state’s tax structure in 2009, especially since the governor has called for sweeping budget cuts due to declining sales and gaming tax revenue.”

The Review Journal from Nevada. “Prudential Americana Group, one of the largest residential real estate firms in the Las Vegas Valley, is filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy so it can reorganize its debts while continuing operations.”

“The company, which had not filed the paperwork by press time Tuesday, has 1,200 sales executives operating under its auspices and has positive operating cash flow.”

“Owner Mark Stark, however, said Prudential Americana Group, the seventh-largest real estate firm nationally in the Prudential network, needs bankruptcy court protection so it can restructure its debt.”

“The bankruptcy filing will not affect the 3,000 exclusive listings that Prudential Americana has in Southern Nevada, he said. Stark estimated that the company is probably the biggest residential real estate company in the area, with a 15 percent share of all local home resales.”

“Prudential Americana is the second big Las Vegas realty firm to seek bankruptcy protection in recent months.”

“When he bought the company, Stark said he expected a slump in the local real estate loan market would follow the boom that sent home prices soaring, but he was stunned by the magnitude of the drop.”

“‘I did not see a 67 percent downturn coming to the Las Vegas market,’ he said, referring to the drop in existing home sales over the past two years.”

“Nevada leads the nation in the actual number of preforeclosure filings through October with 40.5 preforeclosure filings per 1,000 households. Nevada had 30,276 preforeclosure filings through October, an increase of 106 percent from last year.”

“Realtor Robin Camacho said banks are not protecting the properties they take back. Some have sustained thousands of dollars in damage from being vandalized while in the foreclosure process, which can take anywhere from six months to a year.”

“She said she has one client who recently lost a home to foreclosure and drives by about once a week to throw out squatters, fix the gate and keep the place locked up.”

“‘The grounds are trashed,’ Camacho said. ‘He takes photos, hoping that when the bank comes after him for the deficiency he can show them the photos. I don’t think they will care.’”

From Las Vegas Now in Nevada. “Home prices have been falling for several months in Southern Nevada. Several major builders in Las Vegas are slashing prices in an effort to sell homes in the struggling housing market.”

“Prices have dropped by $55,000 in some cases and as high as $200,000 in one case. But the savings don’t stop there.”

“Geoff Gorman, with Astoria Homes, said, ‘If you add in the fact, builders are paying your loan costs, which is pretty expensive, it gets less and less expensive. Not only do you have a lower price, but you are not paying for the loan.’”

“‘Builders are dropping prices because people weren’t buying homes at the higher prices anymore. The market peaked and people stopped buying homes. Investors left the market, builders have to sell homes, so just about everybody has dropped prices and that has caused homes to sell,’ he said.”

From KSL TV 5 in Utah. “The allegations are sweeping through the south end of the Salt Lake Valley. They involve dozens of investors, millions of dollars, and a deal that sounded so good even law enforcement signed up.”

“Neighbor after neighbor tell Eyewitness News they lost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Investors say it hit Riverton hard; Herriman and Bluffdale, too. People say they were promised big returns, so sweet that not even trained investigators sniffed this one out until it was too late.”

“Jerry Gomez says he has nothing to lose by speaking out about the $150,000 he put in. For a while he was getting a return, then late this summer, nothing.”

“‘All of the strength in my body was just gone. I wanted to fall down. I thought, ‘Oh no, it’s gone, lost. What am I going to do now?’ he said.”

“Gomez and other investors filed a lawsuit that claims they were promised an 18 percent return. They thought their money would be used to purchase residential lots in booming communities in Salt Lake and Utah counties, and company notes indicate their money was secured by deeds of trust.”

“We asked Gomez if he has his name on a lot. ‘No,’ he answered. ‘It was never secured.’ He doesn’t know where the money went.”

The Deseret News News from Utah. “The summary of a 2008 nationwide real estate forecast is sprinkled with fearsome words: ‘greater downside risk,’ ‘repricing environment,’ ‘vulture-oriented investing,’ ‘retrench,’ ‘ebbing tenant demand,’ ‘tapped-out consumers.’”

“But speakers at a meeting Tuesday about the ‘Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2008′ report said Utah has a hard-charging economy and demographics that will insulate it from a lot of the troubles besetting the real estate industry nationwide.”

“‘Our fundamentals are absolutely outstanding,’ commercial real estate broker Michael Richmond said at the meeting of the Salt Lake District Council of the Urban Land Institute.”

“Michael Hansen, director of state and local planning in the Governor’s Office of Planning and Budget, said Utah’s ‘white-hot economy’ is driven by a booming population and continued job growth, and buoyed by exports and manufacturing, defense spending, quality-of-life amenities and a highly educated work force, in addition to ’skyrocketing’ home values.”

“In many respects, Utah is ‘almost an untapped market’ because of the strong economic factors, he said.”

“Richmond said any white-hot real estate markets in Utah could not be sustained. ‘If you see headlines about the economy slowing in Utah, yes, but it’s not panic,’ he said. ‘I think it’s being back to more sustainable, more healthy levels.’”

“‘With respect on the housing side, we have seen some defaults occur through the financial services and the real estate-related companies. The Union Park area…has a high concentration of mortgage, title and real estate-related companies — there’s going to be a little bit of risk there with companies downsizing and shutting down those offices…’ he said.”

“Turmoil actually could be good for the industry because it could lessen the chances of overbuilding, said Dean Schwanke, a senior VP at the institute and editor, principal researcher and adviser of the report.”

“‘The theme for this year is ‘A Dose of Fear,’ Schwanke said. ‘And I think that’s a good thing, because we were a little fat and happy, I think, for the last five years, and it just couldn’t last forever.’”




RSS feed | Trackback URI

118 Comments »

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-11-28 13:03:58

‘As the state Legislature gets ready to grapple with an $800 million deficit, the usual claims will be made that resolving it through spending cuts is impossible or draconian. It’s certainly not the former, and it doesn’t have to be the latter.’

‘A spending correction is badly needed. With this year’s budget as enacted, state general-fund spending will have gone up 62 percent over five years, or more than 10 percent a year. The housing-bubble burst hangs over both the national and state economies. However, markets have a way of working through problems such as an overinvestment in housing much more efficiently and quickly than hand-wringers expect.’

Well, Arizona, we’re up the creek with out a paddle now. When I first moved to the state 5 years ago, Phoenix couldn’t even afford to pick up the trash. And if you look at charts of the notice-of-defaults, there was a big spike after 2000-2001. The housing bubble merely postponed the need to ‘work through problems such as an overinvestment in housing.’ Except now things are worse because we’re saddled with the prices, foreclosures and the loans.

I tried really hard to get included in the 2005 Arizona PBS series on the housing bubble, and they turned me down. Maybe they should have listened.

Comment by flatffplan
2007-11-28 13:21:56

govs spend every dime
my county has a dept of womens affairs, planting trees, dredging a duck pond, all kinds of useless sht

Comment by Rally Mitigation Team Member Bob
2007-11-28 15:21:51

“my county has a dept of womens affairs”

Yes, I believe you’ve mentioned this before in your generally prejudiced ideological tone, much like exeter rails about certain automobile brands while implicitly equating them to female anatomy. There’s help for this sort of behavior, but only you can choose to seek treatment.

“planting trees, dredging a duck pond, all kinds of useless sht”

Beautifying an area and maintaining infrastructure constitute useless sh*t? How interesting, or I should say, how typical.

Comment by foreclose_me
2007-11-28 16:45:51

In the real USA, re-education camps are not considered ‘treatment.’

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-11-28 18:07:04

Beautifying an area and maintaining infrastructure (duck ponds are infrastructure?) constitute discretionary spending. Duck ponds can wait.

hmm.. why am i even bothering.. Ben’s comment already nailed it:
“..the usual claims will be made that resolving it through spending cuts is impossible or draconian.”

anyone who dares propose to cut anything is instantly labled as prejudiced and/or ideological and/or ____phobic and/or intolerant.. ad infinitum..

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
Comment by Tom
2007-11-28 15:42:38

They “have” to spend every dine because if they don’t they will not get as much to spend next year.

That is their thinking anyways. Why not give them incentives to save instead of spend?

Comment by Tom
2007-11-28 15:44:44

oops *DIME! :-)

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-28 18:04:27

Ha!

My county has a homeless shelter for MEN…er…bums?

Ah ha!

Comment by hd74man
2007-11-28 18:11:24

RE:…er…bums?

No-just men cleaned out by their -ex wives in a gender biased divorce court system.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-28 19:19:32

Hd47man,

No-just men cleaned out by their -ex wives in a gender biased divorce court system.

Not all women will drag those through the system…I’m sorry this happened to you.

Not all men/women…

Best Always,
Leigh

 
Comment by are they crazy
2007-11-28 21:09:12

I’m sorry for you too HD47man for whatever happened to you. I hope you are able to get over it someday and really enjoy life again. For every story of a woman trying to gut a man, there’s a story of a man trying to play hide the assets and screw a woman. No one ever really knows what goes on in someone else’s relationship and what leads couples to do the damage to each other they do.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Ian
2007-11-28 13:22:26

“The Albuquerque Tribune reports from New Mexico. “With the housing market slowing in Albuquerque, sellers are trying some unusual approaches to bring buyers to their doors. Longford Homes had its first-ever auction. The company put up 30 homes on the Duke City’s northwest side that have sat empty an average of six months. Colorado resident Emmet Main walked away from the auction paying $230,000 for a house previously priced at roughly $300,000 by Longford Homes.”

Auctions… the only way to find out what your house is really worth!

DUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Comment by mikey
2007-11-28 15:13:20

Rhett: What collateral are you offering?
Scarlett: My ear bobs.
Rhett: Not interested.
Scarlett: Mortgage on Tara.
Rhett: What would I do with a farm?
Scarlett: Oh, you wouldn’t lose. I’d pay you back on next year’s cotton.
Rhett: Not good enough. Have you nothing better?

Oh! Run Scarlet Run..Rhett works for Countrywide and he WANTS your HIDE ! :)

Scarlett: You once said you loved me. If you still love me Rhett…
Rhett: You haven’t forgotten. I’m not a marrying man.
Scarlett: No, I haven’t forgotten.
Rhett: You’re not worth $300. You’ll never mean anything but misery to any man

Comment by spike66
2007-11-28 16:07:42

So what’s the point? As I remember, Rhett stole what was left of the Confederate treasury, ran the Union embargo for personal profit, and sucked up to all the Yankee conquerors without a second’s hesitation.
Yeah, he was a real role model.
If he’d been born a century later he could have been a playuh on Wall Street. At least Scarlett could run a lumber mill and Frank’s store at a profit. And she did make bank on the cotton she planted. Scarlett could have done better than Rhett, and he should have stuck with the town hooker.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2007-11-28 18:54:47

Bravo spike66. Bravo.

 
 
 
 
Comment by sm_landlord
2007-11-28 14:26:55

I just know we’re going to get hit with fee increases of all sorts here in S&M. Expecting water surcharges, sewer surcharges, extra city taxes on telephone, cable, gas, electricity, you name it. Expect loud wailing and hand-wringing when the property tax receipts are toted up, followed by threats of reduced police and fire service, closing the schools, etc. Once the groundwork is laid in the sheeple’s minds, the fee increases will kick in.

 
Comment by clearview
2007-11-28 15:04:41

Here’s a solution to Arizona’s problems: enforce your EXISTING state laws concerning benefits to illegals and sanctions on businesses who hire them. Force the illegals out of your state and you will reduce the number of people on the government dole, reduce crime (drastically), and greatly improve the quality of life for Arizona’s American citizens.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-11-28 15:16:04

You’d be amazed at the number of Arizonans who agree with you. The problem is, many of our law enforcement agencies seem a bit reluctant to enforce these laws. Especially when the reaction is along the lines of what is described in this story:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308776,00.html

And, for an op-ed look at the same incident, see:

http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/210385.php

BTW, the AZStarNet mentioned above is known as the Red Star.

Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-28 16:39:09

Az Slim,

grrr…

Thanks for posting. Immigration is huge. I do not have the answers.

Our brothers and sisters are maimed; mentally decrepit; beyond dispirited! Yet, for the ones who do not deserve nor desire their cover?

Illegals (flaming word, I know) are protesting in our nation?
Wiskey Tango Foxtrot!

I willingly lay down my life to protect the Consitution…to those whom are loyal and legal to her.

Probably too emotional…a thousand pardons.

Thanks for the post.

Best,
Leigh

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-11-28 15:22:47

Oh but we all know that they won’t do that, because its racist. Now if the illegals were all blond and lilly white I have little doubt that the MSM would be leading the campaign to get them all deported.

Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-28 16:26:08

Colorado,

Can you help me out?

So, if I’m lily white (I am), than I wont’ be deported?

So the MSM will not deport lily white people?

Huh?

A thousand pardons for my ignorance.

Leigh

(Comments wont nest below this level)
Comment by In Colorado
2007-11-28 16:36:07

Can you help me out?

So, if I’m lily white (I am), than I wont’ be deported?

Let’s see if I can describe this clearly enough for you:

The reason the MSM is sympathetic to illegals, and lobbies for amnesty for them, is because they are members of a “protected class”. If we the 20,000,000 or so illegals were “white” there would be no sympathy for them from the MSM, and I would expect that the MSM would demand that they be deported.

 
Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-28 18:10:13

Colorado,

A thousand apologies; I thought you were deporting me!

(Hey, I said I’m not the brightest crayon in the box)!

A thousand pardons,
Leigh

 
 
Comment by John Law
2007-11-28 16:36:37

“Now if the illegals were all blond and lilly white I have little doubt that the MSM would be leading the campaign to get them all deported.”

white people want white people deported? that seems reasonable.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
Comment by In Colorado
2007-11-28 16:45:16

Why not? They have no problem in discriminating against them in collega admissions, federal and state hiring, etc.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-11-28 16:51:19

….and those are CITIZEN white people who are discriminated against. I can only imagine what it must be like for non citizens.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-11-28 18:24:27

The elitists in the liberal MSM look down on non-lily-white people. Liberals think they are innately incompetent.. inferior.. and that they are unable to succeed on their own.. that they need special help and handouts.

 
Comment by spike66
2007-11-28 18:28:31

in colorado,
The “racist” tag the pro-illegals crowd has pretty successfully glued on this issue is deliberately dishonest,
as they well know.
Decent citizens resent and are angered by criminal behavior–invading a country and ignoring it’s laws and language, while stealing it’s benefits is criminal.
Illegal just that, illegal. There is no other issue here. As citizens, we demand that our laws be enforced. Nothing less and nothing more.

 
Comment by are they crazy
2007-11-28 21:16:56

Johnlaw: Funny, I’ve often used the opposite point - if the illegals were all blond haired, whites that spoke english, no one would mind them being her. Everyone gets stuck on the illegal part like everyone but them are perfectly law abiding citizens all the time. Illegals are just the latest scapegoats, replacing the welfare mothers of the 90s. As long as we can blame the bottom of the foodchain, we don’t have to deal with the idea that it’s really everyone that is screwing everyone else these days. Look at the problems that are examined everyday on these threads about central banks, wall street, banks, realtoRs, mortgage brokers, government big and small - none of those are illegals - you could get rid of all the illegals tomorrow and all those crooks at the top would still be screwing everyone else and laughing all the way to the bank.

 
 
 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2007-11-28 21:29:20

Legal Arizona Workers Act 101
Everything you need to know about the new employer-sanctions law.
Nov. 28, 2007
-Reporter Ronald J. Hansen has compiled the basics on Arizona’s new employer-sanctions law, which is scheduled to take effect Jan. 1. U.S. District Judge Neil Wake heard arguments for and against the law Nov. 14 and is expected to rule in the case before the end of the year.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/1128biz-sanctions101-CP.html

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2007-11-28 13:04:50

“In the current market, Pulte Homes of New Mexico sales manager Joe Maez has this advice: Take advantage of the dropping market and buy homes while you can. ‘It’s a huge opportunity, because there’s a perception of a buyer’s market,’ he said. ‘2008 is going to be a seller’s market again.’”

What a complete moron.

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-11-28 13:10:01

He’ll be a moron without a job in 2008.

Comment by txchick57
2007-11-28 13:17:06

Feh

These idiots should be squashed like the bugs they are.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-11-28 13:30:15

if he said “Do not buy.. prices are dropping” he’d be without a job tomorrow..

Comment by packman
2007-11-28 14:21:17

Yep.

Unfortunately honest salesmen are unemployed salesmen, in pretty much any business.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
Comment by Norcal Ray
2007-11-28 16:44:28

Sell or you are out.

 
 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-11-28 14:03:32

Pulte has a big presence in Jax and decided to get involved in the local bike racing scene. They became title sponsor of the April weekend races here (which are a pretty big deal) and were so excited about it that they decided to partially sponsor our team, as well as put on another race in September. (I was going, WTF?) Well, we have their name on our jerseys now, but they canceled the Sept. races (in fairness, Sept. is not really part of the “season” here) - will be interesting to see if they retain their sponsorships in ‘08. I’m betting against it.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-11-28 14:40:43

Same thing happened here in Tucson. Biggest local mortgage company was the title sponsor of this year’s El Tour de Tucson. Then First Magnus landed on the Mortgage Lender Implode-o-Meter. So much for their title sponsorship.

However, the bike race went on. Another title sponsor was found.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-11-28 15:27:04

Yeah, I saw that, Slim. I’ve done el Tour a couple times, and am on their email list.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Curt
2007-11-28 13:14:50

What a complete moron.

Don’t be too sure. The reasons he puts forth to support his conclusion are quite compelling. Wait………..Oh, never mind.

Comment by Flatlander
2007-11-28 13:20:29

If 2008 is gonna be so great, why don’t they just wait it out??

What a loser!

Comment by Neil
2007-11-28 13:49:29

chuckle. Exactly. Don’t like 2007… wait. Take your home off the market. Oh… those monthly costs are starting to stack up? Oh… the alligator has been bite has a bit of a sting? There is plenty of surplus housing out there… so no one with cash is sleeping in the street.

I think we know who has the stronger hand waiting it out. Its not the mortgage companies. Certainly not the sellers. Its the buyers.

Got popcorn?
Neil

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
Comment by NeilT
2007-11-28 13:24:53

He should have also added, “In 2008, nobody is going to give away the house.”

 
Comment by HARM
Comment by Professor Bear
2007-11-28 13:47:13

Those charts are incredible! Thanks for sharing.

Comment by sf jack
2007-11-28 14:26:55

Incredible, indeed.

My longstanding, multi-year “position” on Alt-A Bay Area housing is that in 2012 we would see signs of the bottom - this from an October 2005 market peak perspective.

Seeing as how, particulary, in the first link /chart provided by HARM, the Alt-A resets occur most often in 2011, perhaps 2012 is not the correct year… though I fully realize the chart shows much broader data than the local market and it’s possible Alt-A’s reached greater popularity nationally at a later date than here.

[Alt-A Bay = SF Bay]

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-11-28 14:16:53

Thanks Harm!
Those give affirmation that:

It’s “normalized”, “stabilized”, and “contained” …. babeeeeeeeeeeeee ;-)

 
Comment by sm_landlord
2007-11-28 14:30:55

Great charts! However, the first one is only the *first* resets. What comes next?

I know, they’ll re-index the ARMs to the credit card default rate. :-)

 
Comment by oxide
2007-11-28 15:29:38

According to the first chart, we would have to call the bottom in 2012 or so, when ALL the resets (look at all the PRIME!) finally bring on the Greater Depression.

But I don’t know if I have the patience to wait 4 years. Plus I’d like to be well on my way toward the canned peas and AK-47 lifestyle before the depression hits, and I can’t really do that in an apartment. I guess I’ll just settle for a falling knife in early 2009 or so.

Comment by HARM
2007-11-28 18:02:09

oxide,

For your family’s sake, please consider a house rental (yes, in most cities you can rent a whole house –that’s what i’m doing right now for 1/3rd the cost of PITI at today’s prices). If you can’t find a suitable house or local ordinances are unusually renter-unfriendly, try renting a townhouse.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-28 16:51:06

Harm,

No harm intended!

ANYone that borrowed w/i the last 6 months is doomed!

Look at the products…they are defaulting faster than our CS chart!

Please correct me if I’m wrong…IMO lenders did MORE damage w/i the last 6-8 months than all previous three years combined.

Granted, I’m not the brightest crayon in the box!

Best,
Leigh

Comment by HARM
2007-11-28 18:08:04

I doubt there were more neg-ams & NINJAs originated in the last 6-8 months than in previous 3 years, but what’s new here is that the chickens are starting to coming home to roost. It’s only in the last several months that the bust is really starting to register in county NODs, NTSs and MLS inventory stats.

Before 2007, price gains healed all wounds and concealed most of the systemic fraud & toxic lending. Now? There’s no painting lipstick on this pig.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
Comment by HARM
2007-11-28 18:09:04

I doubt there were more neg-ams & NINJAs originated in the last 6-8 months than in prev. 3 years, but what’s new here is that chickens are starting to coming home to roost. It’s only in the last several months that the bust is really starting to register in county NODs, NTSs and MLS inventory stats.

Before 2007, price gains healed all wounds and concealed most of the systemic fraud & toxic lending. Now? There’s no painting lipstick on this pig.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-28 14:57:45

Wait. IIRC, didn’t Pulke say:

er…we’re going to mothball (sell at higher price later)?

How does NYCboy say it?

Btwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaa!

No…er…

Btwawawawawa!

Ya that’s the ticket!
8) Leigh

Comment by Hoz
2007-11-28 15:35:12

Leigh, it hurts when I laugh.

Going to the Packers game tomorrow in Dallas?

Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-28 18:00:11

Hoz!

Making stuffed green peppers (the best)! With killer mash potatoes. Taking good food to our family in West Allis…the nicer area.

7:15…Packers rule!

This is a great year for GB baby!

Farve…yum! (blush)

Roma has nothing over Favre…vvvvvha…vahva beans…

Dallas is known to buy…er…isn’t Terrel Owens there in Dallas?

Coach Shenaigans…haar…Smacking!

Crazy Me,
Leigh

Pulling your toes luv!

Loving WI!
Leigh

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-28 19:46:05

Hoz,

Not in Dallas, but in WI, baby.

We are going to kick the cow pie out their pooties!

They will need a major laxative! (Not lady like).

Romo!! haaaaaaaaaa! Farve will romo him alright!!

Woooooooohooooooooooo!!

I love Wisconsin!

(er…can you tell?)

Blush,
Leigh

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
Comment by Statsman
2007-11-28 15:31:45

From Wikipedia: Moron was originally a scientific term, coined by psychologist Henry H. Goddard from the Greek word moros meaning “dull” (as opposed to sharp) and used to describe a person with a mental age between 8 and 12 on the Binet scale. It was also once applied to people with an IQ of 51-70 and was a step up from “imbecile” (IQ of 26-50) and two steps up from “idiot” (IQ of 0-25).

I’d like to rephrase Professor Bear’s earlier comment:

Joe Maez: What a complete idiot.

 
Comment by mikey
2007-11-28 15:45:18

Fortunately,Joe Maez is only moonlighting at Pulte Homes.

His day job is gathering and tasting twelve different varieties of magic mushrooms that grow wild throughout the New Mexico hills in autumn, and they have a powerful hallucinogenic effect similar to LSD. Joe DOESN’T intend to give up his day job :)

 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2007-11-28 13:21:56

What will you do when you can’t afford constables, due to your slipshod finances?

What happens to the rule of law in Arizona, and elsewhere?

“Valley cities are the latest entities to be rocked by the slowdown in consumer spending that has accompanied the bursting of the housing bubble nationwide. The state is facing an $800 million budget shortfall this year that could balloon to $1.5 billion next year.”

Comment by zeropointzero
2007-11-28 14:43:04

I’d be concerned about mischief an influx of unemployed or undercompensated Arizona cops would turn to for money and fun. Might start to look more like law enforcement south of the border.

Comment by targetdrone
2007-11-28 15:35:45

Gvmts always first cut police, parks, fire dept, libraries, etc. to try and force people to pay more taxes.

Comment by rick
2007-11-28 17:00:36

Gosh, can’t they just cut the hours that the police and the fire dept have been overworked?

I mean, earned overtime while sleeping?

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
 
Comment by Flatlander
2007-11-28 13:22:51

“Realtor Chris Pino said about half of his job involves tracking down homes that investors can fix up and quickly sell. In the past, such sales would take three months, but Pino now estimates 12 months. ‘I’ve never seen it this slow,’ he said. ‘There’s just not very many buyers right now. People are not making decisions.’”

Yes they are . . . they are making the decision NOT to buy your overpriced POS and not to fill your pockets with commissions . . . sucks to be you.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-11-28 14:34:47

‘…There’s just not very many buyers right now. People are not making decisions.’”

Silly Chris…doesn’t he understand that people are “afraid” to “make a decision”. ;-) Come on Chris, help the buyers overcome their “fear”…go over to their house and read them a bedtime story…like…Withering Heights ;-)

Comment by Ed Bear
2007-11-28 14:39:37

They are very much making decisions - the decision is “I won’t buy your stupidly overpriced house.”

 
Comment by simplesimon
2007-11-28 14:40:46

Afraid to make a decision? How about making the decision to postpone purchasing. sounds about right.

Comment by spike66
2007-11-28 15:59:20

My decision is not to buy now. My decision is to avoid rising property taxes. My decision is to wait and see what cities and counties implode with underfunded public pension liabilities. My decision is to wait and see what neighborhoods have been trashed and ghettoized. My decision is to stay liquid and nimble. See, no problem, I’ve made lots of decisions.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
Comment by Leighsong
2007-11-28 16:01:19

Fear of making a decision? (Hubby wants a house yesterday, I keep him a locked closet, let him out for sunshine once a week!)

Cash, baby, but not a the POS for CASH. Freaks! Selling boxes, zero lot lines, with HOAs, community residential five feet apart, no thanks!

We’d like some land and fairly accessible to amenities.

What would motivate an intelligent person to jump into this market?

-Want out: want vs need…
-Now; money is insignificant (Got ca$h?)
-Fear (Mike…chains of the mind, good one!)
-Resources (food, hunting, farming, security)
-FDIC a joke (especially if you’re a saver; may be fear based)
-Quality of life (living in the moment; now or never)

Why wait until the “bottom”?

-LTVs (not the right price)
-Saving; paying down debts
-Desire mobility
-Catch a falling knife
-Quality of life

I’m sure there are many more reasons for buying vs waiting to buy. No matter; it’s (IMO) is a decision based on each perspective.

Hecks, fill in your own blank.

It’s not alway about price. I have a healthy fear of being too close to those that want what we’ve accumulated!

OT:
Hubby just bought me a 9mm! Weeeeeeeeeee. Seventeen in the clip and one in the chamber! (She’s so purty) 8)

Rent, buy, no matter. Do what is best for you and yours.

Best Always,
Leigh

(Comments wont nest below this level)
Comment by Hoz
2007-11-28 16:21:27

“We’d like some land and fairly accessible to amenities.”

How far do you have to go for a beer where you live? Maybe I’ll open a bar so you can be close to the amenities.

Did you get the 9mm ACP? I like mouseguns.

 
Comment by Neil
2007-11-28 16:35:46

Hubby just bought me a 9mm! Weeeeeeeeeee. Seventeen in the clip and one in the chamber! (She’s so purty)

Yet…
(Hubby wants a house yesterday, I keep him a locked closet, let him out for sunshine once a week!)

Maybe he’ll get two days of sunshine this week? ;)

Love the quotes!
Neil

 
Comment by hd74man
2007-11-28 18:14:44

RE: Hubby just bought me a 9mm! Weeeeeeeeeee. Seventeen in the clip and one in the chamber! (She’s so purty)

Shoulda bought a .45…9mm’s don’t put the crazies down.

 
Comment by Thomas
2007-11-28 19:14:44

Maybe, but OTOH, 9mm is a little easier on the hand and wrist of the demure young belle doing the shooting.

In any event, it’s just a matter of a few more trigger pulls. My perception is that no matter how crazy a bad guy is, they all tend to slow down quite a bit once sufficiently ventilated.

 
Comment by AKron
2007-11-29 00:26:43

Whenever I get the wherewithal (or urge) to buy a gun, I end up getting a rifle or shotgun instead, much more utilitarian.

“Shoulda bought a .45…9mm’s don’t put the crazies down.”

Plus, a .30-06 or 12 gauge definitely will put the crazies down… ;)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2007-11-28 13:26:38

Pavlovegas reinforcements

“Home prices have been falling for several months in Southern Nevada. Several major builders in Las Vegas are slashing prices in an effort to sell homes in the struggling housing market.”

“Prices have dropped by $55,000 in some cases and as high as $200,000 in one case. But the savings don’t stop there.”

“Geoff Gorman, with Astoria Homes, said, ‘If you add in the fact, builders are paying your loan costs, which is pretty expensive, it gets less and less expensive. Not only do you have a lower price, but you are not paying for the loan.’”

 
Comment by NeilT
2007-11-28 13:32:53

“The south county had not been reappraised for five years, and home sales studied in a required three-year period included the peak of the housing boom. Even though home prices now are dropping, that lag time is why property assessments went up so much in the south.”

Great! Many of the owners were happy with their paper gains during the bubble years. Now it is pay back time. The whole housing industry is designed to bleed the effin’ owners out and enrich agents, lenders, brokers, contractors in the beginning and tax collectors for ever.

 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2007-11-28 13:38:38

The epitome of a dog & pony show auction…

“While the auctioneer poured numbers from his mouth in a rhythmic, guttural monotone, his tuxedo-wearing assistants rushed between aisles waving their arms, clenching their fists, clapping their hands and shouting out the bids they took from audience members who lifted numbered white cards.”

“In the corner, a line of young women steadily applauded and smiled. The auctioneer interspersed his pitch with jokes — ‘I’m going to ask you 10 more times, ma’am; I don’t have time to beg you,’ he said as he playfully requested bids from a woman in the audience.”

 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2007-11-28 13:42:43

In case of financial rapture
_______________________

This loss will be unplanned

“We asked Gomez if he has his name on a lot. ‘No,’ he answered. ‘It was never secured.’ He doesn’t know where the money went.”

Comment by mikey
2007-11-28 14:54:58

Hey Gomer…Guess WHAT …Your money went INTO somebody’s POCKETS

Beam them up Scotty and spare us from these Critters :)

 
 
Comment by Not_In_Montana
2007-11-28 13:45:38

“But speakers at a meeting Tuesday about the ‘Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2008′ report said Utah has a hard-charging economy and demographics that will insulate it from a lot of the troubles besetting the real estate industry nationwide.”

Heh!

Comment by eric
2007-11-28 14:00:30

We’re still largely in the denial phase, but 2008 will be the year that crushes any hope these people have.

Comment by sf jack
2007-11-28 14:10:04

Incredible, indeed.

My longstanding, multi-year “position” on Alt-A Bay Area housing is that in 2012 we would see signs of the bottom - this from an October 2005 market peak perspective.

Seeing as how, particulary, in the first link /chart provided by HARM, the Alt-A resets occur most often in 2011, perhaps 2012 is not the correct year… though I fully realize the chart shows much broader data than the local market and it’s possible Alt-A’s reached greater popularity nationally at a later date than here.

[Alt-A Bay = SF Bay]

Comment by sf jack
2007-11-28 14:11:45

Ha!

This was meant to follow Professor Bear’s comment well above… I will try to re-post appropriately.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
Comment by mikey
2007-11-28 15:30:05

“‘The theme for this year is ‘A Dose of Fear,’ Schwanke said. ”

..and the ones that survive THIS year will have a chronic case of the “Pucker Factor” for years to come :)

 
Comment by Earl 288
2007-11-28 17:06:39

I think you`re right.

 
 
 
Comment by diogenes (Tampa)
2007-11-28 13:55:00

“Michael Hansen, director of state and local planning in the Governor’s Office of Planning and Budget, said Utah’s ‘white-hot economy’ is driven by a booming population and continued job growth, and buoyed by exports and manufacturing, defense spending, quality-of-life amenities and a highly educated work force, in addition to ’skyrocketing’ home values.”

- IT’s Different Here.
Our sky-rocketing prices are based on “fundamentals”.

How many of these moronic clowns can we fit into one country??

Comment by crisrose
2007-11-28 14:16:50

“How many of these moronic clowns can we fit into one country??”

Less the few hundred who post here - 300 million.

 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-11-28 14:28:16

you can’t fire her , she’s a gov worker !

 
 
Comment by sm_landlord
2007-11-28 14:08:24

Don’t know if this link has already been posted, more sad stories but also some quotes from Mark Zandi and a little chart from Equifax/Moody’s that shows MEW since 2000 as a share of disposable income and total rate of withdrawal seasonally adjusted.

Home o the Holidays?

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-11-28 14:43:01

“…has three inflatable lawn ornaments, but will put up only one this year — a Charlie Brown Christmas globe”

Lucy: “Charlie Brown your a BLOCKHEAD!”
Linus: He can’t hear you Lucy…he’s meeting with his new lawyer: Snoopy over in the “dog house” ;-)

Comment by Arwen_U
2007-11-28 20:01:51

A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965)

Lucy Van Pelt: I know how you feel about all this Christmas business, getting depressed and all that. It happens to me every year. I never get what I really want. I always get a lot of stupid toys or a bicycle or clothes or something like that.
Charlie Brown: What is it you want?
Lucy Van Pelt: Real estate.

 
 
Comment by Not_In_Montana
2007-11-28 15:39:32

Didn’t Ben post this one yesterday? Sheesh, the stories are all sounding the same now..

 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2007-11-28 14:13:22

“‘The theme for this year is ‘A Dose of Fear,’ Schwanke said. ‘And I think that’s a good thing, because we were a little fat and happy, I think, for the last five years, and it just couldn’t last forever.’

Side effects include loss of effects…

 
Comment by Cliss
2007-11-28 14:27:58

Auctions, Pep Talk, blatant Lies.
It’s hard to believe that people are attending auctions to buy houses, when home ownership is such a “subjective” emotional thing. Realtors know this: always appeal to buyers’ emotions when you try to sell them a house. When the market is clearly heading downward.
Also, auctions are unbelievably emotional events. You get caught up in the frenzy, outbidding each other, anger excitement the whole works. Phantom bidders I’ve seen it all. Most of the time, you end up paying more than you should have. Especially with foolish men running around in Tuxes egging people on.
The net result of all this is, these people will stall the crash. They’re going to be invested in the system which is crumbling. The system will suck out their last assets before it craters.
If people would QUIT buying or more people wait it out, the net result is the whole thing will come down quickly. The maximum amount of bleeding will occur, and then the market can start to recover.
But these fools are just prolonging the correction.

 
Comment by aimeejd
2007-11-28 14:36:10

“Some builders are offering kitchens full of appliances, while others, including KB Home, have sweepstakes for buyers that will offer a chance at a room full of Disney furniture.”

Is a room full of Disney furniture supposed to be an INCENTIVE? It sounds more like a threat . . .

Comment by phillygal
2007-11-28 14:57:23

Sounds like something your kid would see at a Michael Jackson sleepover.

 
 
Comment by zeropointzero
2007-11-28 14:37:48

I love the “wishful” language — 2008 is going to be a buyer’s market, people are just waiting on the sidelines, that kind of stuff. I overhear people in my local coffee shop saying things like “the market has become more balanced” — whatever the hell that means.

Folks - the market lacks the artificial drivers of loose money and herd mentality that drove it from 2002 to 2005. Until they come back — a long time from now — the market it going to be driven by what people can reasonably afford, along with rental-income for investment property. Anything else is just wishful thinking.

Are these folks deluded enough to believe this language? Or are they just lying through their teeth? I can’t decide which answer is more depressing.

Comment by ragerunner
2007-11-28 15:07:27

I would find it more comforting if its the first. But I think a lot of them are really the second.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-11-28 15:18:34

I’d like a puff of whatever they’ve been smoking. Just one puff.

 
 
Comment by James
2007-11-28 14:45:44

My semi off topic ramble…. lots of unprecidented stuff is about to happen. Well, not really but darn close… esentially hasn’t happened since oh… WW2

1) The credit contraction is underway and is gaining momentum.
2) People are in debt up to their eyes
3) Boomers are going into retirement and it is accelerating as I type
4) We have lost our technological advantage over the rest of the world
5) trust in the markets and regulators is heading to some new kind of low… we expect to be screwed by the Fed, Executive branch, special interest groups
6) we face world wide uncertainty in the markets…

I’m not sure where all this is leading. Manufacturing is shot, technology… what ever advantages we seem to gleen are stolen so fast to be unprofitable…

What can we do with all this and where is it leading? War? Maybe.

So many aspects of the “system” are not sustainable and substantial change seems inevitable.

Any calls for recovery in 09-10-11 are WAGs and not considering how bad things can go in the rest of the economy. We are in a dangerous time with outsourcing.

I don’t know if we “on the sidelines” people have enough fear. I just wish like hell I recognised this earlier and coulde have done something.

I’m just trying to stay out of the way.

Ramble off.

Comment by SaladSD
2007-11-28 16:14:09

What, then, are the positive ecomonic fundamentals that economists keep pontificating about? Whenever I raise these issues with my BIL he rolls his eyes and goes on about our positive GNP, yaddah yaddah. The future is bright and rosey.

 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-11-28 16:27:54

I agree there are many problems, but the death of manufacturing in the U.S. is overstated. If one thing has bottomed and looks to be coming back, that’s it. The big stuff - planes, tractors, earth movers, cranes, fabricated steel, elevators, machine tools - the U.S. is right there.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-11-28 16:58:44

Nice post James . I also wish I could of somehow stopped the big bad real estate run-up that is proving to be so destructive .Voices of reason were muzzled and not given air time or free press by the MSM . The advertisers and cheerleaders ,with their self-serving myths ,were turned into the rah rah nightly news ‘Experts” with their sound bites that brainwashed the sheep .

Apparently people who tried to rebel either got the “bat “or starved ,or were turned away ,(like the appraisers that reported the corrupt system).I think rather than be a oddball ,many employees went along with the big money churning loan machine that had a never ending supply of easy money .Nobody seems to be doing their job in the real estate business and I just wonder what people were getting paid for when they apparently just rubber-stamped anything that came down the pike.
You can ask commissioned sales people what a gravy train it was to have people in a frenzy buying real estate ,that didn’t have to qualify .

I have a lot of fear about what a correction to this big old fat real estate mess will mean .Everybody suffered after the 1929 stock market crash ,even if they never invested in the stock market .The horse is out of the barn and the question becomes ,”‘What is the most just and orderly way for America to have a market correction ,without the wrong parties suffering ,or fast ones being pulled on the taxpayers to transfer the loss ,or inflation trashing the dollar that will also hurt everyone ?”

 
Comment by Earl 288
2007-11-28 17:16:08

You left out 3.00 gasoline.

 
Comment by Thomas
2007-11-28 19:20:54

Here’s a question: In the event a state, or a bloc of states, successfully secedes from the Union, who gets stuck with the national debt? Does the rump state get it all, or does it get apportioned?

I doubt there’s a fixed answer to that. I suspect if the country ever were on the verge of breaking up, there might be an advantage to being the first to bolt.

On the other hand, if the country did break up entirely (as opposed to, say, Vermont successfully pulling a John C. Calhoun), the U.S.’s sovereign debt would probably be defaulted across the board, so being the first past the post probably wouldn’t make much difference either way.

 
 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2007-11-28 14:50:46

Albuquerque has held up pretty well in comparison to the rest of the country. But it has definitely slowed here too. I have heard that just in passing conversations with people in general. I have some friends that have large, high priced homes they can’t sell. But it is still a dream here, as compared to the Bay area. I don’t ever want to move again - just stay put in our own little corner of Albuquerque.

Comment by AdamCO
2007-11-28 15:54:45

In SW Colorado, here. I think this region was late to the party and will be a little late to the hangover.

Housing here is slowing, but we’re not seeing any price reductions yet.

 
 
Comment by Johnny B. Good
2007-11-28 14:58:24

Sales Manager Joe Maez:It’s a huge opportunity, because there’s a perception of a buyer’s market, 2008 is going to be a seller’s market again.

Realtor Chris Pino: People are not making decisions.

NAR’s Yun: I don’t anticipate any further major sales declines.

Makes them sound either a little dense, or like a pack of liars. Either way, the thought of buying a house where a realtwhore is involved is becoming scarier by the week.

 
Comment by SoBay
2007-11-28 15:10:16

‘But speakers at a meeting Tuesday about the ‘Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2008′ report said Utah has a hard-charging economy and demographics that will insulate it from a lot of the troubles besetting the real estate industry nationwide.”

- These Jackass’s sound just like the idot in the Inland Empire SoCal that said that Riverside was the ‘Center of the Universe’ last year.

 
Comment by Annata
2007-11-28 15:12:04

‘Whatever problems you have, I don’t think you can pay that through developers,’

Actually, that’s the perfect way to do it. Maybe that will finally discourage developers from building houses no one needs.

I don’t see why my tax dollars should subsidize some business that makes a product no one needs. Let developers pay the true cost of their subdivisions.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2007-11-28 15:33:14

“Everything we’re seeing in the market is revolving about credit and encouragement that the Fed is going to bail us out again,” said Alexander Paris, economist and market analyst for Chicago-based Barrington Research. “Investors are kind of ignoring the economic news like housing and durable orders that were all weaker than expected.”
Just waiting for the Feds to do their usual on Dec. 11. What exactly is backing their printed money?

 
Comment by Tom
2007-11-28 15:45:56

If the theme of this year is “dose of fear”, then what is the theme for next year?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-11-28 15:51:45

Fear and loathing.

 
 
Comment by spike66
2007-11-28 16:17:40

The Primal Scream.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-11-28 17:07:02

LOL spike66 . Your showing your age with that one ,so funny .

 
 
Comment by aeyra
2007-11-28 22:20:05

Oh yes I can see the fear in people, or at least the incivility. It does seem that more and more people are becoming ruder and more hostile. I’ll bet it’s because of the $3.50 gasoline prices since most people worry about that vs. overpriced housing. Remember in 2005 when people were talking about housing going to the moon but then complained about how gas was too high? I wonder if these are the same zimbobs who complain about a $2 charge on their cell phone bill but turn around and spend $5000 on spinny wheels for their car. Oh well it’s their money. If Amuricans want to spend their money on spinny wheels and Walmart Condos and eating at McDonalds, that’s fine with me. I don’t care if the housing market goes to $300,000 average nationwide or $1,000,000 or $400,000,000 or if it goes down to $59.99 for the average price. I’d give $59.99 for the average house simply because…I don’t care how much you paid for the house hahahaha….as for the people getting reamed on the auction sales, well, I knew that would happen and they just experienced a Hallmark BOHICA moment. And there’s still more to come, that’s scary.

 
Comment by stuck in Utah
2007-11-30 15:26:45

Since when is Utah’s econmy booming, half my friends can not find work here, not a bomming economy.

 
Comment by me
2007-12-02 05:33:36

We don’t own the Fed. They have been managing our money for how long now. Since they have missed managed our monies and have stolen our tax dollars, we have a right to sue these private bankers for fraud and their off shore storing of our monies ..

 
Name (required)
E-mail (required - never shown publicly)
URI
Your Comment (smaller size | larger size)
You may use <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong> in your comment.

Trackback responses to this post