Sometimes The American Dream Is Unattainable
The City Paper reports from Tennessee. “The Greater Nashville Association of Realtors has had to report yet another down month in sales. Nashville-area home sales dropped about 19.5 percent in November compared to last November. The median price has been declining since a peak of $196,000 in June, settling at $179,900 last month. Of course, sellers have sold houses in days or even hours and agents in hot areas got accustomed to that. Now the agents talk about the time it is taking. ”
“Brian Taylor, managing broker for Prudential Woodmont Realty’s Nashville office, said it is more important to educate sellers in how to price a house on the front end so it sells instead of establishing a price and lowering after sitting for three months.”
“‘We don’t have the 25 percent premium on housing like we did a year ago,’ Taylor said. He said if it’s not priced right, it won’t sell. ‘I think there are a lot of buyers on the fence looking for a deal.’”
The Daily News Journal from Tennessee. “The house on Gondola Drive was meant to be Jeanette Newton’s last, the home where the nurse turned legal assistant would grow old and retire.”
“But that was before a knee injury forced a job change and an escalating adjustable-rate mortgage pushed her payments up from $828 to nearly $1,200 a month. Now, Newton is in bankruptcy, fighting to save the two-bedroom, two-bath house that she bought three years ago.”
“Six of her neighbors in Chelsea of Priest Lake subdivision have faced similar battles. Five have already lost their homes, and the sixth is on the verge, awaiting an eviction notice. Nashville’s foreclosure rate doubled in 2007, reflecting the depth of the problem.”
“Banks and underwriters should have required higher down payments, steered borrowers away from risky loans and refused to extend credit to buyers who lacked the savings to weather financial downturns, said Kevin Lavender, the former state banking commissioner who warned of a pending foreclosure crisis before leaving office two years ago.”
“‘You have some people who say if the people were greedy enough to sign up for that particular mortgage, they get what they deserve,’ Lavender said. ‘But we have got people slinging pizza by day and selling mortgages by night. We had to know at some point that would be hurtful.’”
The Post Tribune from Indiana. “Portage has grown a reputation in recent years for being a popular place to build a home. During the past eight years, permits for new single-family homes have ranged anywhere from 195 a year to 240 year –until now.”
“Permits in Portage dropped by more than half to just 106, as of the end of November.”
“‘We have a lot more inventory than we need or is healthy,’ said Bob Coolman, president of Coolman Communities Inc.”
“Developers have been building homes without buyers for years, on the hope continued growth would bring in potential homeowners. But that extra building has finally caught up with them, Coolman said.”
“He pointed out that since 1992, demand for new homes reached about 900 a year. But starting in 2002, developers began building about 1,200 a year, leaving more houses than buyers.”
“‘You just have too much saturation,’ Pete Novack, president of the Greater Northwest Indiana Association of Realtors, said. Because housing permits jumped so much during the past few years, a decrease this year still leaves housing permits above levels for 2000 and 2001, he said.”
“‘Builders were throwing up (speculation) homes everywhere,’said Michael Haller, building commissioner for Porter County. ‘Everyone and their brother claimed to be a builder.’”
“A continued downturn in building isn’t good news for builders, Coolman said. But the one group who will benefit are buyers. The glut in new houses mixed with lowered interest rates create near-historic low housing prices, he said.”
“‘This may be the best time ever to buy a house because there’s too much inventory,’ Coolman said. ‘It doesn’t take a genius to figure out it’s a buyer’s market.’”
From Chicago Business in Illinois. “The condo slump has put developer Liviu Mihulet in a tight spot. His lender, Northside Community Bank, filed a lawsuit in August to foreclose on a 32-unit condominium conversion the developer launched in January in West Rogers Park.”
“The bank asserted that the property had declined in value and demanded that Mr. Mihulet put another $500,000 of equity into the project. When he refused, he says, Northside demanded he repay the $3.1-million loan.”
“‘This was an insult,’ says Mr. Mihulet, who is trying to refinance the project.”
“It’s an indignity more developers are facing. As weak condo sales make it harder to pay off construction loans and skittish banks try to reduce their exposure to the depressed market, condo developers are increasingly facing a fate similar to that of the thousands of Chicagoans who may lose their homes to foreclosure.”
“‘In ‘08, we’re going to have a lot more situations to work out than new projects” getting under way, says real estate attorney Steven DeGraff.”
“Mr. DeGraff, a principal at law firm Much Shelist Denenberg Ament & Rubenstein P.C., estimates he now spends 40% to 50% of his time on real estate loan workouts, a lot of them involving condo developers. That part of his practice occupied almost none of his time as recently as midyear.”
“‘The only light that I see at the end of the tunnel is another train coming,’ says Stuart Packer, the developer of a 19-unit condo conversion in West Rogers Park that was hit with a foreclosure suit in July.”
“Mr. Packer owes Hinsdale Bank & Trust Co. $2.2 million on a project he expected to sell out in 12 to 18 months. But 2½ years after he started construction, only four units have sold.”
“A sign of things to come may lie in once-hot neighborhoods like Lincoln Park. In October, LaSalle Bank N.A. filed a foreclosure suit to collect $5.3 million on an overdue construction loan for the Ashton Lofts, a 39-unit project.” “Several condo buyers bailed out of the project as it struggled with construction delays.”
The Bay City Times from Michigan. “Like millions of other Americans, Dave Kozuch of Bay City ran into a bit of trouble making his mortgage payments. About a year ago, the part-time maintenance worker was laid off. Finding $240 per month to pay the note on the $30,000 mortgage he got five years ago, to buy a house wasn’t always possible.”
“Soon, a variety of taxes, fines and insurance premiums sent his $240 monthly payment up to $610.”
“Kozuch says he tried contacting Chase Home Finance to straighten things out. But Kozuch met with frustration. ‘I’d fax something to San Diego, then get a call from Atlanta and a letter from Houston,’ he said. ‘It’s been unreal.’”
“Soon, he received notice the bank was planning to foreclose on his home and sell it at auction. Kozuch is doing all he can to avoid joining a record number of homeowners in Bay County - 378 so far this year - who’ve lost their homes to foreclosure.”
“In the past three years, nearly 1,000 homeowners in Bay County lost theirs that way. Industry experts say Bay County will be among the 10 hardest-hit areas in loss of economic growth spurred by the foreclosure crisis.”
“Kozuch, like many others in his shoes, filed for bankruptcy, which grinds the wheels of foreclosure to a halt. ‘But when I found out how much I’d have to pay each month for my debts through the bankruptcy payments,’ he said, ‘I couldn’t afford that either.’”
“Property values began dropping around 2000 after peaking in many markets, including Bay City. Mike Samborn, president of the Bay County Realtors Association, said the downward adjustment was a needed ‘correction’ to the market - although it’s led many folks to become ‘upside down’ in their mortgages.”
“A look at public real estate records on foreclosed homes in Bay County reveals that the problem exists in inner-city neighborhoods as well as the swankier suburbs. One bank unloaded a home on Woodside Lane, valued at $77,600, for $20,100 last month - less than a fourth of the $84,117 still owed on the mortgage.”
“Another bank sold a home on Eleven Mile Road, assessed at $93,900, for $41,500, a third of what was owed the bank that held the mortgage. And a home on Glen Eagle Drive, valued at $393,900, was purchased after foreclosure for $305,000, more than $50,000 less than what the former owners owed on their primary mortgage.”
“Samborn specializes in foreclosed homes…for the past decade, and he sees a silver lining as housing prices continue to adjust downward. ‘First-time homebuyers get more affordable housing,’ he said. ‘Investors can find deals. And the houses are there, too, for people looking to move up.’”
“The glut of homes on the market may leave the impression houses aren’t selling, but Samborn said sales have been steady over the past three years or so - although prices have been lower, and a larger share of the homes have been through foreclosure.”
“‘There’s a lot to choose from,’ he said. ‘Get yourself properly qualified, and don’t overextend yourself. The sub-prime loans are no longer readily available, but there are still a lot of good loan programs out there.’”
“For one Bay City couple, foreclosure was a double-edged sword. It meant losing the home they raised their children in, but it also yielded a more stress-free lifestyle.”
“They owed more than $50,000 on their mortgage when the bank foreclosed earlier this year. The house, in need of many repairs, sold in November through a sheriff’s auction for a mere $5,000.”
“‘Someone else has those headaches now,’ said the man, who agreed to speak with The Times on condition of anonymity. He’s a private man, and foreclosure carries great stigma.”
“‘The shame and embarrassment is great,’ he said, ‘but sometimes you have to swallow your pride, look at your finances and realize that sometimes, the American dream is unattainable.’”
“He is a white-collar worker. His wife is a blue-collar worker who often finds herself temporarily unemployed. ‘People think if you’ve got problems paying your mortgage that you’re a gambler or a drug addict,’ he said. ‘That’s not always the case. That wasn’t our case. Our family and friends know what happened and understand.’”
“Grown children and grandchildren who required financial help and other personal financial setbacks threw a wrench in the family’s plans to remodel and restore their turn-of-the-century home. The couple refinanced their mortgage a few years back. When an appraiser asked ‘how much they needed,’ they bit off more than they could chew, at a fixed rate of 8.5 percent.”
“Then energy costs shot up. Housing values fell. The wife lost her job. Soon, they could no longer afford to make their mortgage payments. ‘We tried refinancing,’ the man said, ‘but due to extenuating circumstances … we weren’t able to. Things began slipping.’”
“The foreclosure notices began coming in, and after scrambling to get on top of the matter, the couple decided they’d just let it go. They have settled into a spacious, affordable apartment, and are enjoying their new lifestyle.”
“‘We came to a very happy point in our lives,’ the man said. ”We downsized. We got that monkey off our backs.’”
‘If you build it, they will come’.
“Mr. Packer owes Hinsdale Bank & Trust Co. $2.2 million on a project he expected to sell out in 12 to 18 months. But 2½ years after he started construction, only four units have sold.”
if he priced @ 500K per unit like everyone else, he’d be just about even by now.
And according to NAR, prices are expected to rise 3% (relatively flat).
“He is a white-collar worker. His wife is a blue-collar worker who often finds herself temporarily unemployed. ‘People think if you’ve got problems paying your mortgage that you’re a gambler or a drug addict,’ he said. ‘That’s not always the case. That wasn’t our case.”
If your wife’s employment is that unstable and you nonetheless claimed her income to qualify for the mortgage, then you were indeed a gambler, FB.
Case closed… Next.
And the couple helped out their kids/grandkids thru some financial rough patches.
Which I say is admirable, and the right thing to do …. BUT, only they know just how deserving & responsible their offspring are. Was it wise to give them cash to help out? Is there any other way to help?
Unknown.
However, when the kids are on better footing later in life do they return the financial favor or …. ??? Hmmm, that would be the same paradox as giving cash to a bum on the street, to see it wasted on drugs, or actually buying them some food so its not wasted. Most scam artists wont take food but insist on cash.
We dont know all the details but if I suspected a shaky return of my cash aid to my kids, especially if my home was at risk, I’d have to just exercise some tough love & tell the kids to move back in with me for awhile. You can usually find some space on a couch or somewhere. At least yer among peoole that care and you have a roof over yer head with hot meals. Horrific, I know, that little buffy & muffy endure some hardship but big deal, I aint losing my home to their financial setbacks.
My point is this: either we all use our heads wisely & survive the hard times together or act like egotistical fools seperately & go down in ruin.
just my 2 ameros
I couldn’t agree more. When I was 18, that was pretty much it. I was out on my own. My parents did me a favor and after being poor for 5-6 years and had to work crappy $8 an hour jobs ( during the dot-com bust) I learned how far a $20 bill goes and what saving for a rainy day meant. I busted my rear to get out of those crappy jobs and get into better work. That same rhetoric is why I’ve been saving up for 6 years, waiting for the housing bubble to crash. Unless the government and Fed step in to ‘rescue’ all the FB’s, I’ll be in good shape 2-3 years from now once prices return to normal
I have a lot of respect for my folks. One is a school teacher, the other an HR manager. Neither make a lot of cash, nor were ever super well off, but their house on 17 acres is paid for, they have an in-ground pool, two new cars, and enough in retirement and they’re not even 60 yet. They chose to live in a less glamorous part of the country, a less glamorous part of the state, and worked hard.
If they had simply given me cash every time I needed, I would have never learned self management. Parents owe it to their kids to let them ’suffer’ a bit and see that life is about responsibility, which is something I don’t think many of the homeowners in trouble had.
Some adult children manage to scam their parents out of cash through Economic Outpatient Care.
A lifetime of never ending EOC is one of the worst things that parents can do for their offspring. It reinforces dependency and they never learn to manage cash flow, since they never need to.
The Millionaire Next Door is a good read.
“‘We came to a very happy point in our lives,’ the man said. ‘’We downsized. We got that monkey off our backs.’”
Since when did people begin referring to the “American Dream” by employing the same language they’d use to describe a drug habit?
I don’t remember seeing quotes like this in 2005.
“‘We don’t have the 25 percent premium on housing like we did a year ago,’ Taylor said.
That’s a very tactful way of letting the sellers down easy - without saying flat out that the house they are trying to sell is worth so much less.
So the house that sold for $250k a year ago had a “25% premium” on top of its real value, and is now worth $200k, right? Maybe this line of thought will become popular with Realtorz and help to get the price-drop train rolling.
“‘We don’t have the 25 percent premium on housing like we did a year ago,’ Taylor said.”
That’s a very tactful way of letting the sellers down easy - without saying flat out that the house they are trying to sell is worth so much less.
No, that’s a very straight forward way of telling last years buyers that they got the old Joshua tree treatment.
And the ‘ He said if it’s not priced right, it won’t sell. ‘I think there are a lot of buyers on the fence looking for a deal.’”
has become as common as it’s different here. I would guess that there are far fewer fence-sitters than he hopes for. With much tighter quals, and the real fear of buying into a falling market most are barely peeking over that fence. It will take price-drops far greater than he can fathom to stir the knotholers.
I wonder how many got smart and sold in 05 or 06 at a huge profit and now sit on a couple hundred grand in the bank? Well I know two that did not. My sister and her husband sold early 06 for a tidy profit only to re-buy right away. They now watch as that equity vanishes right before their eyes. I suppose being flat beats going in the hole. They could have made a pretty sweet deal next year with all that equity, pretty sweet indeed.
“‘The only light that I see at the end of the tunnel is another train coming,’
Music to my ears.
Interesting experiment. A website, foreclosureradar.com allows you to feed in your zip to show bank owned property, property up for auction and pre-foreclosures. The first part is free but you have to pay for the full service so there is a good chance all the property related to a known zip doesn’t show up. However, if you put your pointer over any that do show up, up pops the amount owed.
I checked out the pre-foreclosures and my wife (a cpa) watched us the numbers popped up. Some showed just a few thousand dollars. They could be owners who were late for a few weeks for some reason. However, a LOT showed up with numbers showing they owed thousands of dollars. $12,000 not being unusual. My wife shook her head and said, “Y’know I’ve seen this so many times. Once people get that far behind it’s usually too late.” This tsunami is not only not finished, it’s still gathering speed as it heads toward it’s final destination. We haven’t even got to the part where the sea pulls back to reveal parts of the beach never seen before - that’s the prelude to the big waves striking.
Oh but kiplingers says bottom in mid 2008. Must be talking about Beverly Hills. What am I missing about this mid 2008 call? From what I see going on around me they best add several years.
1 “Banks and underwriters should have required higher down payments,
2 steered borrowers away from risky loans
3 and refused to extend credit to buyers who lacked the savings to weather financial downturns, said Kevin Lavender
Well Kevin, guess what? Without the mentioned ingredients that you bring to the table - there would be no housing bubble and no job for you.
SoBay,
Good point. We’re getting a LOT if disinformation from the industry at present. Again, for all of the mess out there w/ subprime I’ll be damned if I can find ONE mort. bkr. that will own up to having done them?
Even realtors try to get on the bandwagon by claiming they weren’t part of inciting bidding wars etc. etc. At least they’re trying to distance themselves from the debacle shows they are starting to have “some” appreciation for the seriousness of the situation, although again as usual, being of little value.
Yep! There’s a local scam-house called E-mortgage Solutions here in MD that advertises on TV in the mornings. They love to prattle on about how you should call them if “somebody put you in an ARM” or “if your high-cost loan is going to reset” and so on, all the while ignoring the fact that they were pushing these scams on the public during the Bubble. The infuriating part is that mixed in with these “come to use and get a fixed loan” ads are other ads recommending that peopled - especially those living paycheck to paycheck - take all the equity out of their houses and put the money into “investments to grow their wealth.” Uh, yeah… sure! I don’t know if they think people are so stupid that they won’t notice this deceit or if they forgot to stop running ads from 2005 when HELOC’s were fun. Naturally, they are never responsible, of course! What a group!
Nashville’s an interesting place in regards to prices. Interesting because there has been a massive influx of people from California, Florida, and the Northeast who seemed to have known nothing about the city prior to moving there except it was cheaper than from whatever overpriced place they came from.
In my opinion, many areas within Nashville were marketed specifically for out-of-staters. Such areas include Brentwood and Franklin to name a few. These areas look much like the rest of the area, with a mix of housing types, but are as much as 3 and 4 times as much to buy. The avg home in Franklin last year was hitting over 400k, which for anywhere TN is totally ridiculous. Brentwood seems to attract an awful lot of Southern California ex patriots and is priced similarly so.This is ridiculous because if you were to drive from one part of Nashville and through Franklin, you’d be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two. Most people from out of state moved there because they were ‘told’ it was a great place to live and had ’safe’ neighborhoods, which is also stupid since any number of areas either outside the city a few miles, or even within are equally safe, if not safer. People ‘learned’ about areas they knew nothing about merely from the internet and real estate agents. I’ve heard of more than one person who moved into a home site unseen in Nashville and did so before their old house in their old state had actually sold.
The other interesting part of Nashville is East Nashville. There are numerous attempts to gentrify the area. That said, many homes there still have bars across the doors and windows. I imagine those bars will return once some of those California hipsters realize there was a reason it was cheap there.
Anyhow, I’ve been watching the Nashville MLS for a year now. The supply went way up. The number of homes under 200,000 is above 14,000. The number for sale altogether is 27,000, which is quite large given the somewhat smallish size of the city.
Despite it all, in my opinion Nashville is perhaps at this point one of the best cities to live in the US and dodged the housing bubble bullet for the most part.
Also interesting to note: My dad in Knoxville TN mentioned that a neighborhood not too far from them had five foreclosures. The ag price for the homes in the neighborhood was 65-75k. That is very telling.
Nashville has Opryland. ‘Nuff said.
Actually, Opryland closed over 10 years ago. That said, if you go someday, the Country Music Hall of fame is pretty cool.
Jetson Boy… That is just about “every city U.S.A”.
Houses in Victorville were built just for people fro L.A. to flip. PLaces in Sacremento were built just for Bay Area people to flip. Huge chunks of PHX exurbs were built just to be bought by out of state people. Tucson, Vegas, Salt Lake City, Bosman, Boise, Minneapolis, Tampa, Charlotte, Santa Fe, Denver, Tacoma, etc. etc. etc.
There is nothng atypical about a city having huge number of houses built just to be bought by out of state/area investors.
I used to frequent a number of relocation web sites. I heard the same sob story for every person there:” Hi, we’re a family with 7 kids from Boston. We hate it here and figured we would move to Nashville where everything is slower and simpler ( I guess we must be dumb haysees huh)… and we heard that you can buy a house there for 200k. My husband is willing to quit his job as a programmer and work at Wal-Mart. Anything for a house!!”
or- the retired couple: ” Oh, hidy-ho there, we’re from Michigan and we just sold our massive overpriced POS for a chunk of change and want to retire to Nashville, on the lake, and live the good life where everyone is laid back, simple, and hopefully friendly to equity locusts like ourselves. We’re not really useful to the overal local economy, but we’re movin’ der anyway!”
Or my fav. ” Me and my hipster wife are from Oakland CA. SInce East Nashville has a crime problem, we feel it is our duty to come clean it up and kick all the locals out and build hipster bars and java houses all over the place.”
Of course I’m being a little ( just a little) tongue in cheek, but RARELY did I ever hear people moving there because they might actually like the area and city instead of being blinded soley by cheap(er) housing. What they did for a living, for social whims, and so forth was on the back burner.
Secondly, many of these sites were crawling with RE agents. Anytime anyone came on there and asked what areas they should move to, it seemed like RE agents from Franklin, Brentwood, or whatever would tell them that Franklin was the BEST place to live. 400k sounds cheap if you’re from CA, but 400k there is stupid. Many people bit the bait too.
I guess my feelings are that I don’t mind new people moving in, but it had better be for more than just houses and more about actually contributing to the economy.
My favorite is: “Everything in my life will be perfect once I move to the promised land of the Charlotte exurbs.” Followed by, once they get here: “Why can’t I get a good ___ in Charlotte? (Fill in the blank- e.g. deli sandwich, pizza…) Why is it different here?”
It’s funny how different states are different places. It seems like most of America assumes that the whole country is so homogenized that you can move anywhere and get the same stuff/food/culture. Thankfully that’s not true.
My sister is contemplating a move to NC, mostly for cheap houses and warmer weather. I’ve long suspected that geography is not the issue with my sister or BIL’s happiness but that’s for them to judge.
Since we bucked the family trend and figured out how to have fun in the snow and rent less than 5 miles from DH’s work, lack of snow and cheap houses aren’t a big deal to us. Also, VT has some very specific traits because of it’s Americanized French Canadian subculture (say that 3 times fast), of which we are a part. I suspect that might be something they aren’t going to realize that they’d miss until they’ve made the leap.
congratulations - you’ve become the new Florida circa 20-30 years ago!
yep… Where’s my Nordstroms? My Needless Markups? Trader Joe’s? Ten thousand local businesses and only these will suffice. I think it’s funny to see folks move into the up-and-coming neigborhood full of little shops and coffee houses, not be happy until the national chains catch up with them. Nashville will resist change. It had character before Nordstroms, and we’ll be maxing out our credit cards just fine for as long as it takes to get here.
Darrell,
Way, so so true. And the caliber of construction showed exactly that. Sign should’ve said; “Buy me! (I’m built to flip)” This is what made the rolling bubble so damn aggravating. At one point I think lots in Parhump, NV were going for like a qtr. mil. Just for the LOT! Condos in Boise? Oh sure… you betcha’!
Detroit; rock city or rock bottom?
Finding $240 per month to pay the note on the $30,000 mortgage he got five years ago, to buy a house wasn’t always possible.”
If you don’t have $240 you should rent a room.
Not in Southern California. Rooms go for $500 and up!
Wait a minute - did this guy get a mortgage while only being a part-time worker??
If I were a lender, an application with this sort of info on it would be screaming for a reject stamp.
Renting a room here costs about that or a bit more even, monthly. I just can’t believe he couldn’t cover that payment. You could work at McDonald’s even and cover a payment like that….something doesn’t make sense here.
I think he was saying $240 on top of what he already pays.
To dream the impossible American Dream, to fight the lack of cash-flow, to bear with un-repairable credit, to run where the brave dare not go.
Name of law firm from the original post:
Much Shelist Denenberg Ament & Rubenstein
Which got me thinking about overly eager real estate agents, and the law firm they might choose. Here’s the firm name:
Much Shelist But Few Shesell
I saw that and was waiting for the Mel Brooks punchline.
(it’s gotta mean something in Yiddish…)
“It’s an indignity more developers are facing.”
“…condo developers are increasingly facing a fate similar to that of the thousands of Chicagoans who may lose their homes to foreclosure.”
Shed no tears for Chicago condo “developers” for they continue to pour product onto the market. Remarkably, even at this stage of the game and with so much uncertainty, new projects are everywhere. Today’s gem: a 4 story rather sizeable gut rehab on California just north of Peterson - the condos they just keep on coming.
The difference is that the home FBs loans were sliced, diced and packaged around the world; the construction loans were kept ‘in house’ and will take down the smaller banks.
I think it was Fleckenstein who pointed out how much “commercial” paper held by banks was just construction loans on residential development.
In many respects construction loans are far worse than mortgages.
Well now, that’s not very comforting…like Corus, a smaller Chicago bank with its neck stuck out a mile on condos. What have they been up to lately. I wonder?
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God forbid the poor developer (and I use that term loosely) not get the loan he is entitled to. Afterall its everyone’s God-given right to borrow a few million dollars to turn once-affordable apartments into $400,000 McCondos.
“‘This was an insult,’ says Mr. Mihulet, who is trying to refinance the project.”
Get used to being insulted Mr. Mihulet . . . a lot of other banks are going to tell you the same thing!
Trout meet head . . . your project is already doomed, you just don’t know it yet.
Mr. Mihulet
Is that the French spelling of Mullet? I think his red neck background might be showing.
Got popcorn?
Neil
forcing someone to pay their debts is now insulting?
This is pretty funny. Another master of the universe who thinks he’s smarter than the market
http://dallas.craigslist.org/wan/512151493.html
“He has made $600,000, $400,000 and $200,000 in the last three years.”
That’s not a very good trend. Usually lenders like to see a steady or increasing income, not one plummeting towards 0.
Help me understand why these people want to make fools of themselves in such a public way.
My guess would be that they already are fools, so compounding this fact through a public display is not a consideration for them. The foolish generally know not what they are.
But look at all this experience they have, “Our mortgage background extends back to 2003″
and this little beauty, ” . . . Even when the market is down we are able to turn inventory through our ability to buy and sell at a discount.”
Woo Hoo, they can sell at a discount, sign me up for 500 large to these geniuses.
Maybe AZ Lender might want to consider this at about 22% APR
Maybe they should do a merger with Jeff Lewis and Ryan from “Flipping Out.” Just remind them not to serve onions to Jeff.
That’s a mispost.
It was supposed to be on chumpslist.
“Our mortgage background extends back to 2003 in all areas of that particular industry”
Seasoned pros they area.
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“Sometimes The American Dream Is Unattainable”
That is because the so-called American Dream is a propaganda campaign by Hopebuilders and NAR that are in the business to sell. Selling dreams without making aware of the harsh reality.
People have owned homes before America came into existence.
Jas
There are dreams, and then there are hallucinations…
For the historians among you, here’s a January 29,1887 NYTimes article concerning the first major real estate boom that hit SoCal. An excerpt: “Conservative men who wish to learn on what the high prices are based are looked upon with suspicion, as inimical to the “boom,” and are told they are looking too closely to “percentages;” the market is active and prices upward, and they may buy with certainty of profit.”
http://tinyurl.com/22lzmc
“‘The shame and embarrassment is great,’ he said, ‘but sometimes you have to swallow your pride, look at your finances and realize that sometimes, the American dream is unattainable.’”
What a strange statement! This isn’t the “American Dream” being “Unattainable”. This is simply folks knowingly and willfully getting in over their head and hoping some miracle will bail them out.
The “American Dream” used to be “if you work your butt off, it’s possible to be very successful.”. That’s still true.
Of course, there are people who work their butts of and merely get by. But I don’t see our government trying to help these folks! Thed’s rather help Harry Heloc, and Sally Specuvestor.
I wondered when someone was going to point this out. Modern day American Dreamers forget the hard work part. They seem to think the American dream means everything will be handed to them because they “deserve it”.
I’ve seen this in advertising, as in “Get the New Car you *deserve*”
What crap!
Considering how well hard work has been rewarded lately (such as all of us who refused to play the Housing Bubble Debt Potato Game), it is really no surprise. The system encourages greed and fraud, so that’s what we get.
This is probably the best point to make to our elected officials when we barrage them with letters. (I send mine flat by US mail, hoping that makes more impact than email. I’m pretty sure they count these with some multiplier when they gauge public opinion)
The point is
“People who worked hard and did everything sensibly are being PUNISHED when deadbeats get taxbreaks or cramdowns.”
the 5% of Americans that the gov “helped” get a home turns out to be a bad idea
next up free-er healthcare
I’m reminded of the 80s when the govt. thought it would be great social engineering to take high school dropouts that could not read or write, and let them join the military. They’d do boot camp, THEN go to school for a year or so to finish their basic high school education, then be regular members of the military. Turns out, it wasn’t such a great idea. Most were discipline problems, or druggies, or had learning disabilities, or were crooks, or…
The military declared it a disaster and stopped the program after a few years.
Similarly. a great many people who can’t make ends meet couldn’t make ends meet if you brought a wheelbarrow with 50K in cash in it to their doorstep each week. It would be spent on cars, gambling, drugs, etc, as quick as they could get it.
Don’t try to “help” people who have acted irresponsibly. There are plenty of *responsible* people that need help and aren’t getting it, like wounded soldiers returning from Iraq.
“‘The only light that I see at the end of the tunnel is another train coming,’ says Stuart Packer, the developer of a 19-unit condo conversion in West Rogers Park that was hit with a foreclosure suit in July.”
Would it be safe to say the majority of the small-guy builders like Packer, are in various stages of business death, by lack of cashfixiation?
“Brian Short, president of the Tennessee Association of Mortgage Brokers, defended his industry’s practices. Mortgage brokers have an obligation to present all available options to all buyers, leaving it to them to decide which loan to choose, he said.”
That’s what I would expect of a user car salesman. If I go to a doctor or other professional, I expect to be presented with the best available options, not all available options. If all a mortgage broker is there to do is present all options, even options that should not be available, they aren’t even as “good” as a used car salesman. They are far worse given the financial implications.
“I can’t see how mortgage brokers are responsible for the increase in foreclosures,” he said.
They made far too many loans that should not have been made with proper underwriting. They are absolutely responsible.
I am so sick of hearing these stories of people using their house as an atm to support a lifestyle they could not afford. I do not support any tax forgiveness or any other favoritism, bailout, etc.
You guys will LOVE this. This dim bulb has lost 700K or so in the California market.
http://whinecountryrealestate.blogspot.com/2007/12/doom-and-gloom-bubble-blogs.html
txchick, how do you find these blogs? talk about clueless with an upper case C!!!
my God….. that woman is the embodiment of a mirror fogger. i guess she is a student of the “to make a million dollars, start with 2 million dollars” school of investing.
man, to be dumb and affluent….. i guess that’s a nice gig if you can get it.
He lives in a gated community where he says dozens of million-dollar homes face foreclosure. ‘The plan won’t help much here, and the problem is going to get worse.’”
Correction pal. They used to be 1 million dollars. Can you say with a Dr. Evil pinkie shaking wicked grin $400,000 bwah ha ha ha.
They lived in gated communities to keep the rabble out, now these same gates keep the rabble in. The inmates are running the asylum.