The Euphoric Final Days Of A Gung-Ho Real Estate Market
The Mail Tribune reports from Oregon. “During the euphoric final days of a gung-ho real estate market, Cathy Lemble didn’t see the perfect storm brewing as she signed papers at LandAmerica Lawyers Title. Told by her real estate agent and lender that she was making a good move and further assured by her own experience and the backing of her boyfriend, Lemble bought a 1960s vintage house in Ashland for $425,000, more than triple the $133,000 the previous owners paid eight years earlier. That was Aug. 17, 2005.”
“Then the first hint of what was coming appeared on her doorstep. ‘The first newspaper out of the box had a headline that read, ‘Market flattens for first time in decade,’ Lemble recalls. ‘I thought, ‘This does not bode well.’”
“Two years later, Lemble faces the loss of her house and bankruptcy. The 41-year-old part-time teacher is among the more than 750 Jackson County property owners who have defaulted on mortgage payments this year.”
“‘I had spent my entire life in rapidly escalating markets, in the Bay Area, Boulder, Colorado, and then moving here seven years ago,’ Lemble says. ‘I thought of real estate as the safest investment around; I’m devastated. The bottom line is that I’ve lost every penny.’”
“Getting into the house was ‘a huge stretch made with the assumption that things would continue to go up,’ Lemble says. ‘The real estate broker reassured me at the time I’d be able to refinance and get a lower rate,’ Lemble says.”
“When her boyfriend walked, Lemble knew she was in trouble. She could handle $1,300 a month, but $2,600 was a crushing blow. There were no takers when she put the house on the market in February for $419,000. By summer she dropped the price to $405,000.”
“‘People weren’t looking and the banks weren’t open to a short sale,’ she says. ‘Other people with more equity were able to drop their prices more and I hit the zero equity line really quickly. There was a great sense of despair and it just slid into foreclosure.’”
“Trevor Read is nearly half Lemble’s age and hadn’t previously owned a house, but he knew how easy it was to qualify for ownership. After all, he was a real estate salesman.”
“When he bought a fixer-upper on Janes Road in southwest Medford for $245,000 last year, the 22-year-old thought he had a bargain for his young family. ‘I thought it was a great deal and we put a lot of money into it,’ he says.”
“Read and his wife intended to refinance the $208,970 adjustable-rate mortgage after six months. But the sub-prime lending train wreck quickly derailed his plan. ‘Lenders were going bankrupt and guidelines were changing,’ he says. ‘In January, my 8.5 percent rate went up to 10 or 11 percent.’”
“Monthly payments went from $1,990 to $2,300. The Reads tried to sell the house for $265,000, but there was no response. They lowered the price to $245,000 but couldn’t sell and the property was scheduled for auction at the Jackson County Courthouse this month.”
“‘I’ve learned that you don’t get into a home that you think you can flip or refinance later without having the surety that you can support it,’ says Read. ‘I knew the market was totally squashed and I just had to pack it in.’”
The Oregonian. “Roger Pollock said he wanted to sell a lot of homes at his two-day auction this weekend — and he did just that. Pollock said he sold 141 homes for a total of $65 million at the Oregon Convention Center. Pollock’s Buena Vista Custom Homes had advertised more than 240 homes to sell at auction.”
“Westside homes in Beaverton and Hillsboro sold best, Pollock said. None of the 29 Bend homes sold, and homes that are now rented didn’t sell well, either.”
“Pollock said about 96 percent of the homes he sold went for below the reserve price. The reserve price, he said, was equal to his costs.”
“‘We didn’t make any money on these homes,’ Pollock said. ‘We lost money.’”
The Heraldnet from Washington. “The start of condominium construction on the Everett waterfront will be delayed by at least six to nine months after a major financial backer dropped out because of the nation’s mortgage mess, developer Maritime Trust said.”
“‘They just flat out got out of the construction market and are selling the unit that was going to do our construction loan,’ Maritime’s Bert Mears said Monday. He was referring to Merrill Lynch.”
“‘We’re talking to a couple of other people,’ Mears said. ‘I don’t think anyone wants to push the button until we get some of this (problems in the nation’s housing market) off the front page.’”
“‘It’s extremely important that this project happen,’ said Port commissioner Connie Niva. ‘It’s the beginning of a lot for Everett. It signals that private investment can be successful in Everett. If it looks like we can’t get a quality development done in Everett, that’s a problem.’”
“Mears said he expects the financing problems will mean his company will make less money and may also need to add another private partner. But he said 40 percent of the first 137 units have already been sold. Prices still remain between $400,000 and $1 million for the condos.”
The Tri-City Herald from Washington. “Washington state appears likely to avoid major impacts from the subprime mortgage crunch, but officials still are taking steps to protect homeowners who might face foreclosure. Just over 24 percent of loans in the state in 2006 were high-rate, according to The Wall Street Journal.”
“Benton and Franklin counties are seeing some corrections, but nothing that worries industry officials. Notice of trustee sales are up about 11 percent through November this year, with 739 reported so far compared with 665 at the same time last year.” “Of the 738 notices of trustee sales in 2006, about half actually foreclosed, said Greg Bowers, manager of Benton-Franklin Title Co.”
“The crash seen in areas such as Florida and Nevada followed a period of surging home prices, which never happened in the Tri-Cities, officials said. ‘If it didn’t go up, why should it go down?’ said Dave Retter, broker in Kennewick.”
“‘In the big scope of things, it’s not that big of a deal,’ said Dana Mundy, owner of AmeriChoice Home Loans in Richland. Her company did a few subprime loans, she said, but they’re not a big part of her business. ‘To me, this correction is absolutely necessary,’ she said, because it helps strengthen the field of professionals and eligible home buyers.”
“Eliminating subprime loans cut about 15 percent of potential buyers out of the market, she said. ‘Now we need to educate them.’”
The Vancouver Sun from Canada. “A significant November rebound in Metro Vancouver housing re-sales helped push overall activity above 2006 levels, the Canadian Real Estate Association reported.”
“The association registered 2,952 sales through the MLS, a 22 per cent increase from the same month a year ago. The average unit price topped $577,000 in November, up 11.2 per cent from the same month a year ago.”
“The factors pushing up Vancouver are less clear, according to Douglas Porter, deputy chief economist for BMO Capital Markets. Nationally, however, ‘I would say it is surprising, given all the gloomy headlines we’ve been inundated with about bad news from the U.S. housing market and the U.S. economy in general.’”
“Porter added that sales that are growing faster than new listings being added to market inventories suggest that markets are not becoming unbalanced.”
“However, Porter said Alberta’s formerly ’scorching hot’ markets of Edmonton and Calgary have retreated steeply from 2006 sales figures, and new listings in both cities are headed toward double-digit increases.”
“‘That’s not a friendly combo for prices looking ahead,’ Porter wrote.”
The Calgary Sun from Canada. “Although Calgary’s average house price continues to outstrip the national average, the local market has steadied. It is anticipated that buying a new home will be less competitive next year, said Ted Zaharko, owner of Royal LePage Foothills Real Estate Services.”
“‘Many Calgarians are going to have to change the way they think of our market,’ he said. ‘While it is still strong, sellers cannot expect the same buyer response they saw this time last year.’”
“For Sean Biesbroek, who, in 2008, plans to buy his first home, the forecast for a more stable market comes as good news. ‘Price is the biggest factor for sure, but location is right up there, too,’ said Biesbroek, who is currently renting a home in the northwest community of Edgemont with his girlfriend.”
“Despite the prices stabilizing, Biesbroek said he won’t wait too long to make a purchase. ‘I’d be hesitant to wait too long.’”
The Edmonton Journal from Canada. “Edmonton home prices will recover in the first half of 2008 from their late-2007 slide, says the Royal LePage Market Survey Forecast, released Monday. Broker Ken Shearer predicts that the current oversupply of listed homes will start to tighten in February as more properties are sold and others are pulled off the market.”
“The second quarter of 2008 with more balanced supply and demand plus a predictable seasonal surge should bring most of the year’s price rise, Shearer says.” Edmonton’s one-per-cent price increase from 2007 to 2008 is expected to be the lowest among major Canadian cities. From 2006 to 2007, Edmonton led the country with a 34.5-per-cent average home price increase.”
The Leader Post from Canada. “Regina’s housing market is set to lead the country as the average price of housing is expected to rise by 15.4 per cent in 2008, according to the Royal LePage survey.”
“Mike Duggleby of Royal LePage Regina Realty said it all comes down to supply and demand. ‘There is limited supply and high demand,’ said Duggleby. ‘Resale (inventory) of homes is low, but there is a lot of demand here. Stories of in-migration are true. There are lots of jobs here and people are coming to avoid the high cost of living elsewhere.’”
“According to the survey, first-time buyers are expected to be the most active purchaser group, with many expected to take advantage of the expanding and affordable condo market, which currently makes up for 20 per cent of the Regina real estate market.”
“For the average buyer, Duggleby said he expects a similar trend to last spring when demand increased and houses sold after being on the market for only a short time. ‘Pull the trigger fast, because (the houses) won’t last long,’ advises Duggleby.”
The Globe & Mail from Canada. “Home sales in St. John’s surged 68 per cent from October to November, data from the Canadian Real Estate Association (CREA) show. St. John’s is the latest in a string of Canadian cities including Calgary and Saskatoon to experience big surges in housing sales activity, often on the backs of their booming commodities markets.”
“In fact, Canada seems to have ‘barely blinked’ in the face of the global tightening in the credit markets, along with the real estate woes south of the border, said Douglas Porter, deputy chief economist at BMO Nesbitt Burns.”
“‘At least one Canadian economic train fully decoupled from the U.S. this year – the housing market,’ Mr. Porter said in a report yesterday.”
“‘The entire eastern section of this market is selling hand over fist. I will tell you unequivocally, without one hesitation, that Danny Williams and the oil announcement are what is driving this market,’ said Denise Brophy of Re/Max Realty Specialists in St. John’s. ‘I haven’t seen anything like this before.’”
“A total of 559 resale homes were sold in Newfoundland and Labrador in November, a 72-per-cent increase from the same month last year. Any ‘decent’ home is now subject to a bidding war, and even run-down properties are selling quickly, Ms. Brophy said. New homes are selling as soon as the foundations are laid, she added.”
“Real estate lawyer Bruce Chislett’s three-partner law firm recently purchased the two-storey former town council building in the St. John’s suburb of Paradise, a town in which there are lots of real estate deals taking place.”
“‘We believed it was a good place to win business, and a good time to stop renting and purchase something due to our long-term view of where property values are headed,’ he said.”
“It’s important to keep in mind big jumps in price or activity often take place in smaller cities, said Phil Soper, president and CEO of Royal LePage Real Estate Services.”
“‘In smaller markets like Saskatoon, Regina and St. John’s, it’s much easier to have these huge spikes due to their smaller base,’ Mr. Soper said. ‘Nonetheless this is a dramatic increase that is both culturally important and economically unique.’”
When I did this interview with Swerve Magazine in Calgary:
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I forgot to mention that one of the reasons I felt Canadas’ bubble hadn’t popped as quickly as in US was the more lax lending here. But Canada is heading down that road now, too. And as far as the commodities thing, that didn’t protect the oil states in the 80’s. It made the bust worse.
Overpriced is overpriced, and these levels of speculation are nuts.
You should see the place I have in Nova Scotia and what people are willing to pay for it. It’s 100 years old and would blow over in a stiff breeze. But it’s on the ocean. I just don’t want to sell it. It was my mother’s and there’s no debt on it.
“…would blow over in a stiff breeze.”
Enough with the sexual innuendo.
Hold on to your mother’s property txchick. If things get real crazy in the US, you will have another place to call home.
Those are nice houses in that brochure — no kidding.
The Portland market is crashing. Check out the Portland housing Blog for all the info and more.
http://www.portlandhousing.blogspot.com
It’s more than nuts almost throughout the whole country. The only question i guess is what happens if/when everyone stops for a breath? Logic says that these prices can’t be sustained but a market can stay irrational a whole lot longer than one may think.
There are some special situations like Newfoundland (St. John’s) as they have been so depressed for so long but are now really coming into there own with some real good offshore oil and gas development and the big nickel mine in Labrador, but as to the rest, for the most part i would guess it is just the raging of the fire and as global deflation really starts to set in (and i think it will) then, perhaps the fire will go out.
There has been so much “profits” made on speculation and so much (basically) 100% financing going on that a whole lot of fuel definitely has been added to the fire.
The 41-year-old part-time teacher
425 K ? WTF
many locals have all kinds of breaks and goodies for teachers as they are much more precious than thee
B-B-But, she had the backing of her boyfriend.
“When her boyfriend walked” Doh!
That’s why I’ve never been convinced that buying a house with a boyfriend or girlfriend is a good idea. Not that marriages are more solid, but they do seem a bit sturdier than this “boyfriend here today, gone tomorrow” thing.
Personally, of the many couples I’ve known a couple who bought a house together while still single/engaged, not a one made it to the altar.
Delete “a couple”; sorry.
Every one of my single friends who bought a home together did make it to the alter.
But then again, they bought mid-1990’s.
Got popcorn?
Neil
You just made a (real) pun, with your alter for altar.
they probably had a knock down, drag out fight over who got to keep the house.
he won.
Are you one of Jay Leno’s striking writers?
LOL! Indeed….
He was smart enough to make sure that his name wasn’t on the mortgage and smart enough to realize that housing prices were going down…I bet he reads this blog.
It cost $133K in 1997, 10 years ago.
Let’s call inflation 3% since that time — we all know the cpi underreports, but for a few years in there inflaton really was 1-2%. Then take off 10% due to the saturated market and distressed condition of the seller.
(133,000 * 1.03^10) * .9 = 160,866
My offer is $160K. All cash.
passthebubbly, can you explain to a relative newbie what the .9 represents in your equation?
That’s the 10% off I took. In a normal market with a financially solvent seller it wouldn’t be there or would be closer to 1, like .95.
I think he was removing 10% by multiplying by .9.
Come on PTB - don’t be cheap!
Round up and make it $161k.
The Mail Tribune article is a big deal here in Southern Oregon. Denial has been running deep here, and although I obviously feel for the families involved, it’s good to see that the truth is finally coming out.
“Denial has been running deep here, and although I obviously feel for the families involved, it’s good to see that the truth is finally coming out.”
Just wait ’til next year. I’m assuming that without CA and FL equity locusts, there’s not much to keep the Ashland market afloat.
Southern Oregon is just like coastal northern California. In Eureka, people are still buying, and they are dumb enough to think if their offer is accepted at $5K less than asking, they got a great deal. Denial is definitely as strong here as anywhere in the country. I hear the drumbeat constantly: retirees from SoCal will boost prices, pot production will boost prices, everyone wants to live here, et al. I am anxiously awaiting to be proven right in the wake of all these denials.
I went to humboldt stae back in 1997 and I was sure gald to get out of arcata.People must be on drugs to be paying those ridiculous prices.I lived up in mcklanleyville for 2 years during school.I rented an apartment with other friends and saved a few bucks. I would not live there again.
Same yahoos and same history. Bubble money from SF & LA was hosing the place for years. Now we will see what prices are supported by local S. Oregon, Del Nortean, & Humboldtian wages….[grin]
AshlandRenter: indeed. I have family up there. RE denial is Jackson County’s religion. Going to be some hard lessons learned.
“Prices still remain between $400,000 and $1 million for the condos.”
Pretty high prices for a place I’ve barely even heard of.
That haven’t even been started and don’t have financing.
“‘If it didn’t go up, why should it go down?’ said Dave Retter, broker in Kennewick.”
Ah, yes, the rust-belt argument.
heard of supply and demand?
“…heard of supply and demand?”
That only applies to Nevada and Florida.
Rust belt folks got toxic mortgages they can’t afford just like the rest of the country did. Reason enough.
But it’s different there! (You know, population loss and job evaporation.)
“Real estate lawyer Bruce Chislett’s three-partner law firm recently purchased the two-storey former town council building in the St. John’s suburb of Paradise, a town in which there are lots of real estate deals taking place.”
just on the other side of Paradise…
Whoever named any location in Newfoundland ‘Paradise’ must have a real sense of irony…
“When her boyfriend walked, Lemble knew she was in trouble. She could handle $1,300 a month, but $2,600 was a crushing blow. There were no takers when she put the house on the market in February for $419,000. By summer she dropped the price to $405,000.”
Don’t feel sad, bad and alone Cathy. There will be MORE than a few boyfriends and or significant OTHERS walking before these Tales of Woe are over
She needs to get a grip. Think of the relationship mix-n-meet opprotunities while standing in the soup line at the local St. Vincent de Paul’s.
‘Hey babe, I got a great piece of cardboard on a vent near the bus station. Low maint, easy commute. And they just ain’t making any more steam.’
“Mike Duggleby of Royal LePage Regina Realty said it all comes down to supply and demand. ‘There is limited supply and high demand,’ said Duggleby. ‘Resale (inventory) of homes is low, but there is a lot of demand here. Stories of in-migration are true. There are lots of jobs here and people are coming to avoid the high cost of living elsewhere.’”
Where do I begin?
1. Who’s driving your demand? Do you have actual real numbers of people coming in, or is speculation running rampant in Canada, too?
2. IF, IF people are coming in to avoid high costs in other areas, ‘justifying’ the rise in prices, what happens when your town becomes high cost, too?
My FIL and MIL live in an old mobile home on a piece of land on the edge of St. John’s. They are now surrounded by highways and subdivisions. I’m going to try to persuade them to sell their land now. Their place is falling apart and their health is failing. Its time for them to cash-in.
Thanks for the Canada thread. They are very proud at the moment, parity and all that. Last time was in the late 70s, about the time I bought my first house (3/2) in PA for $27K. Interest rates went sky high and commodities burst, at least oil and gold were the ones I was involved in. I wonder if there was a boom/bust in Canadian real estate then.
Huge crash (40%+) in BC and Alberta RE in the 1980’s. People in Alberta (Calgary, Edmonton) were saying it couldn’t happen again because of the oil sands. Well guess what - it’s happening again.
But prices aren’t falling yet in BC (Vancouver), and people are saying it’s impossible because of the 2010 Winter Olympics. You think your town has attitude - their license plates even say “The Best Place on Earth”.
Lemble bought a 1960s vintage house in Ashland for $425,000, more than triple the $133,000 the previous owners paid eight years earlier. That was Aug. 17, 2005.”
“Then the first hint of what was coming appeared on her doorstep. ‘The first newspaper out of the box had a headline that read, ‘Market flattens for first time in decade,’ Lemble recalls. ‘I thought, ‘This does not bode well.’”
“Two years later, Lemble faces the loss of her house and bankruptcy.
I’m sorry but this story confuses me. How could news of a “flattening” housing market have anything to do with Ms. Lemble’s ability to make her monthly mortgage payments? After all, one’s house is a place to live –not a vehicle for reckless borrowing and speculation, right?
A part-part teacher buying for 425k, a cab driver and his part-time baby-sitter wife buy for 525k, the strawberry picker and his mushroom pal buy for 750k…
These numbers get thrown around like they’re chump change. That is really serious money. How long would it take these folks to put aside that kind of cash, saving from their earnings every week, and not hobbled by interest payments? Forever? Never??
Even after reading this stuff for years, I’m still stunned by how people bought with these huge price tags, knowing what they brought home every week.
As has been said many times on this board…
“Everyone knows the price of everything, but no one knows the value of anything.”
It is like that with all the aforementioned buyers.
Just like you said, 425K here, 525K there, and 750K over yonder. People have no idea what the value of anything is anymore. It’s all about…
“HOWMUCHAMONTH!”
Your conclusion leads to a question I’ve been pondering…
Given that the name of the game with the banks is cash flow, do you think they would be willing to sell a property on payments that were double what the FB was making, but with a significantly reduced principal?
For example, J6P is paying $2000 a month on a $400k loan with a 5% teaser rate. He’s barely hanging on, missed a couple of payments, and is two months from a reset to 8%, and the bank knows they will be forclosing soon. I come in and offer them $4000 a month, at 5% fixed for 6 years, essentially offering about $250k for the house. The bank cash flows (nicely) for 72 more months, and does not have to worry about yet another forclosure. Could they structure the new loan to “hide” the loss on their books for 6 years?
Their alternative is to short sell flat out for $250k and eat the loss right now, or finance that conventionally and get maybe $1400 a month from a 30 year fixed.
Any comments?
Hong Kong
http://www.thestreet.com/s/hong-kong-faces-subprime-puzzle/markets/worldmarkets/10395015.html?puc=_tscana
I felt sorry for the woman at the start of the thread when she mentioned that she had only lived in places like the Bay Area, Boulder CO, and so on. Perhaps she is somehow unaware that other cities have much lower prices.
Then the part about her being a teacher and the BF walking made me change my mind. Who the F*ck is a teacher who thinks living in these places is a good idea? Does anyone wonder why places like CA have severe teacher shortages? Could it be that it is too expensive for teachers?
And the whole Boyfriend bit…. nuff’ said.
I felt sorry for the woman at the start of the thread when she mentioned that she had only lived in places like the Bay Area, Boulder CO, and so on. Perhaps she is somehow unaware that other cities have much lower prices.
I don’t. Anyone with half a brain here in the Bay Area knows that in this area, everything is overpriced. Everything.
Does anyone wonder why places like CA have severe teacher shortages? Could it be that it is too expensive for teachers?
Yeah right..like [they] are under-compensated.
I sympathize for today’s kids who are TAUGHT by TEACHERS like this… for they will be tomorrow’s FBs for sure.
“Despite the prices stabilizing, Biesbroek said he won’t wait too long to make a purchase. ‘I’d be hesitant to wait too long.’”
And Biesbroek takes one for the team. Thanks for catching that knife and resetting the “comps” downward for the rest of us.
Told by her real estate agent and lender that she was making a good move and further assured by her own experience and the backing of her boyfriend, Lemble bought a 1960s vintage house in Ashland for $425,000, more than triple the $133,000 the previous owners paid eight years earlier. That was Aug. 17, 2005.
“Buy now, or be priced out FOREVER>/i>!”
Bwaahahahahahahahaaaa!
On the Washington front, here in Snohomish county things are really coming down. My husband works in an electrical shop that does mostly residential and they were busy as bees a couple of months ago while the builders were trying to get almost finished homes on the market before the housing market tanked some more, but now things are slowed to a crawl compared to before and this company laid off half their workers right after Thanksgiving. Some other companies are laying off workers too, and today my husband heard of a builder who is stopping construction on a home that already has the framing because he doesn’t think he can sell it when it is finished. All this is new in the last month here. He said some builders can’t even sell their homes at cost and are looking to unload somewhat below costs to get out from under the carrying costs.
Yes, I think the mythical Cascade shield has broken down. Things have slowed dramatically in Portland in the last few months, then slowed to a crawl recently.
Southern OR real estate is absolutely insane. It was once a great area for middle class families to raise their kids. Now nobody except wealthy empty-nesters can afford to live there. Schools and libraries are closing and non-service industry jobs are scarce. I consider this area to be symbolic of what happened to the entire country over the last decade - it’s a once beautiful place that got overrun by greed and mismanagement.
Is’nt that Californians?