December 25, 2007

We Need Some Bargains In The Real Estate Market

It’s holiday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Skyline Pines East, the hilltop development project planned for the southern edge of Rapid City, South Dakota, will include four condominium towers standing seven stories tall. The 196-unit project will offer great views of Rapid City and the plains. Meanwhile, planning continues for the Rushmont Building, a 17-story condominium tower in downtown Rapid City. It will offer great views of downtown.”

“That’s a lot of high-end housing. Can this market support it? Bob Drew, the Realtor marketing Skyline Pines East, said there are a number of Midwestern farmers selling their farms and moving to the Black Hills. ‘And they’re bringing their wealth this way,’ he said. In addition, Rapid City is attracting California transplants.”

“As in many communities around the country, foreclosures in Attleboro shot off the charts in 2007, more than doubling during the first 10 months of the year. Last Tuesday, the Fed answered much criticism and calls for action by cracking down on shady lending practices.”

“U.S. Rep. Barney Frank said Bernanke’s announcement is further proof of two things: that the Fed is ‘not a strong advocate for consumers: and two, there is no Santa Claus. People who are surprised by the one are presumably surprised by the other.’”

“‘The Fed has done too little, too late,’ said Kathleen Day, a spokeswoman for (a) center which promotes home ownership and works to curtail predatory lending. ‘We don’t think it is strong enough to protect people in the future, and does nothing to help people left holding the bag now.’”

“Homes are still being built in Champaign County, but builders have become more careful and conservative in picking their projects. Chris Creek, president of Creek Development, said the market for new mid-priced houses and condominiums is ailing.”

“‘I don’t think we’ve been this low in probably 17 years or so. We’re significantly down from any year in the past decade, and we’ve cut our prices 8 to 10 percent,’ said Creek, who is developing condos in Urbana.”

“Creek said that in the fall of 2005, he felt ‘too many people were doing too many crazy things.’ When a banker asked him how many lots were presold in a subdivision he was developing, he said 60. ‘I thought to myself, ‘This is beyond a good time. There’s something wrong here.’”

“Central Europe’s real estate market is relatively safe from the global credit crisis, the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors believes. ‘[Central and Eastern Europe] is certainly better insulated from risks of a major shock than other parts of Europe,’ the group’s chief economist, Simon Rubinsohn, told a real estate conference in Budapest.”

“Otis Spencer, of Heitman, which manages about $20 billion in real estate investments worldwide, said there was some pessimism over commercial assets but that he saw no sign of that on the residential side.”

“‘Banks are very eager to lend … a 100 percent mortgage, so there’s quite a dichotomy there,’ Otis said.”

“A single-family detached house has long been the ideal dream for Canadian homebuyers. But, in case you couldn’t already tell by all the construction cranes dotting Toronto’s ever more crowded skyline, 2007 has become the year of the condo.”

“Historically, from one-quarter to one-third of all new homes sold were condos, said Stephen Dupuis, CEO of the Building Industry and Land Development Association. With condos taking the lead in November, making up 52 per cent of all new homes sold (and) with one month left to go, builders expect that ratio to stay above 50 per cent to close 2007.”

“‘When condo sales were 45 per cent of the market last year, we thought we’d never see another year like that,’ Dupuis said.”

“‘New condos are selling like hotcakes, it’s as simple as that,’ said association president Bob Finnigan.”

“Several small Norwegian towns near the Arctic Circle have been plunged into financial crisis after making huge losses with investments linked to US subprime housing loans, Norway’s finance ministry said on Thursday.”

“‘This is a sad and very dramatic case … The municipalities in question now face huge uncovered losses of a yet unknown amount,’ finance ministry state secretary Ole Morten Geving told AFP. ‘The way the investments were handled merits sharp criticism.’”

“Following the brokerage’s bankruptcy, the government called on the 78 Norwegian banks that make up the Terra Group, to assume their ‘moral responsibility’ and help the investor towns. The banks however said on Thursday they had no plans to bail them out.”

“The Norwegian government has meanwhile indicated it will not rescue the towns. ‘The towns have also committed errors, for which they must take the consequences,’ Geving said, adding that ‘the state cannot be a security net.’”

“Bear Stearns CEO James Cayne has denied reports in The Wall Street Journal that he smokes dope. He’d be better off saying he does. How else can one explain loaning billions of dollars to millions of deadbeats? Already, banks around the world have written down more than $100 billion in bad mortgages.”

“Anthony Accetta, a former federal prosecutor who works as a private fraud investigator in Denver, has seen this coming. He said he went to Wall Street’s biggest firms with a pitch, only to find that they did not care how their money was loaned, as long as they could keep bundling the loans into mortgage-backed securities and pass them off to investors.”

“‘I was trying to sell these firms quality-control programs, and they laughed at me,’ he said. ‘This is not a gamble that went wrong. This is not an accident. This is fraud, and I want it prosecuted.’”

“‘We are obviously upset with our 2007 results,’ Cayne said in a statement. He’s so upset that he passed on his bonus, which totaled $40 million last year. As bad a sign as this is — a Wall Street guy saying no to a bonus? — the mortgage meltdown has only just begun.”

“The subprime mortgage mess has turned into a grinch, sneaking around Wall Street taking hefty bonus envelopes out of stockings and from underneath Christmas trees. ‘We’re looking for a 30 percent decrease [in the bonus pool] for this year,’ said Frank Braconi, chief economist in New York City Comptroller’s Office.”

“Braconi said that drop translates into $10 billion less in Wall Street’s pay envelopes this year compared to last.”

“Doug Lovely at Mann Mortgage said he wonders which came first in the housing crisis: Did the big banks make these loose loans to accommodate the rapidly rising real estate market? Or did the overheated real estate market come about because the financing tools were available?”

“As for the ‘can’t understand ‘em’ collateralized mortgage-based securities, Lovely said he is getting good laugh mileage with a quote he heard on CNBC: ‘Why do we have to think up all of these complicated new ways of losing money when the old ones still work so well?’”

“The collapse of the plan to create a $75bn ’superfund’ is embarrassing for the US Treasury, which backed the scheme, but is not likely to have big implications for financial markets, analysts and former officials said.”

“People involved in the supersiv fund said the decision to pull the offer reflected a lack of interest, which become clear last week as banks announced deals which led to injections of capital, giving them greater capacity to absorb assets on balance sheet.”

“‘The vehicle is not needed at this time,’ Bank of America, Citigroup and JP Morgan Chase said in a joint statement.”

“Nowadays, it’s impossible to watch the 1946 holiday movie ‘It’s a Wonderful Life’ and not feel a twinge of respect for Henry F. Potter, the villainous banker played by Lionel Barrymore. Potter was not above drawing the last drop of blood, but at least borrowers knew whom to hate. And if they were late paying, they knew where to crawl.”

“That’s not necessarily the case today. Mortgage companies often ship the loans to Wall Street, which repackages them into securities sold around the globe.”

“So if you’re a borrower in trouble, and your loan is diced up into some mortgage-backed security, you’d be hard-pressed to find a lender’s ear. How’s your Chinese?”

“Fewer residents owned their home in Pottersville, but that nightmare town had some things over today’s Greenspan City. Pottersville didn’t have block after block of boarded-up houses lost to foreclosure, as is currently seen in many American communities.”

“Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan had cheered on the housing bubble that raised home prices to ridiculous levels. And despite the warnings, he ignored the recklessness and downright cons that would inevitably push mortgage market into crisis.”

“The weak borrowers who couldn’t get a mortgage from the sourpuss Potter — and probably not Bailey — were better off than the moderns lured by the happy dancing figures. The latter were sucked into paying inflated house prices and fleeced by stiff fees and punishing interest rates. Then they lost their homes.”

“Which is less attractive, Pottersville or Greenspan City? It’s a real tossup.”

“Do you wonder how Dallas-Fort Worth home sales prices continue to go up in the face of the nationwide housing slowdown? The truth is they probably aren’t. It’s a statistical glitch that’s making it look like home prices are growing in North Texas when they probably are falling.”

“The area-wide Dallas-Fort Worth numbers that the Realtors are quoting aren’t actual home values – they are medians and averages of total sales. This year, as mortgage standards have tightened, the number of families buying first-time, lower-cost homes has fallen sharply.”

“Realtor price breakdowns show that sales of homes priced between $100,000 and $200,000 are down 10 percent to 16 percent. Don’t be fooled by a numbers game that makes it look like our housing values are going up. Just ask someone trying to sell.”

“As the holidays come panting to our doorstep and the home becomes ground zero for our sugar plum dreams and nightmares, I’ve been thinking about all the ways real estate influences our experience of this time of year.”

“So this year I went in search of real estate-related gifts for all kinds of loved ones.”

“For the beleaguered homeowner who is about to list their home, nothing beats burying a saint in the backyard. St. Joseph, the patron saint of carpentry, has become famous for his uncanny ability to smooth sales and maximize profits.”

“Got family or friends who find themselves upside down? Consider gifting them a copy of ‘The Survival Guide to Foreclosure.’”

“Good news for you: It’s free! Bad news for your loved one: The author happens to be a foreclosure investor, so he may stalk your friend or family member and try to buy their house out from under them!”

“The mortgage payments that were agreed to cannot not be met. Duh!”

“Let me see - I will have these expenses plus this mortgage payment with this low initial interest rate which I can easily meet. BUT wait, on ‘X’ date the interest rate goes up and the mortgage payment will be ‘Y’ amount. Can I still afford to buy the house? Even a caveman can, so surely a high school dropout should be able to figure that out!”

“You say the problem was the mortgage company and their fine print? Wrong, but one of my proposed laws would require ALL fine print to be in equal or larger type size than the company name in all ads. Ever try to read the fine print on a Ditech ad?”

“I say these individuals made their own problems, so let them work them out. Keep government out of free enterprise, and let the foreclosures roll.”

“We need some bargains in the real estate market.”

“Philip Wise wants to take Habitat for Humanity to the next level. Ironically, the downturn in housing may provide the means to get it there.”

“The former real estate executive and longtime visionary of Dallas Habitat says the housing industry slump provides an unprecedented opportunity for the nation’s largest nonprofit builder to shelter more poor families.”

“‘We can now acquire raw land, prepared lots and possibly finished homes from builders, investors and lenders cheaper than any time in the previous seven or eight years,’ says Mr. Wise.”

“‘Larger public homebuilders have already written down or walked away from $16 billion in land, completed lots and finished homes,’ says Mr. Wise, adding that some lots can be purchased at 40 percent of the homebuilder’s cost. Think of it as a 60 percent off sale.”




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Comment by charliebrown
2007-12-25 10:54:22

SCREW THE TOWNSPEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!“The Norwegian government has meanwhile indicated it will not rescue the towns. ‘The towns have also committed errors, for which they must take the consequences,’ Geving said, adding that ‘the state cannot be a security net.’”

If socialist European governments are not going to help local municipalities, what is goint to happen here…………and you know its going to happen here.

Goldman and other banking executives get billions in bonuses for selling toxic junk to the rest of the world while the people starve?

When drug dealers sell junk on the streets, even the street has its own sense of justice if the state doesn’t get them first.

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-12-25 11:15:37

Actually, GS was the one shorting the subprime securities, I believe.

Comment by charliebrown
2007-12-25 11:19:11

I guess that not only did GS make the people sick, it owned and profited from the hospital that treated them.

Now that is one heck of a Christmas gift from our friends at GS and the other banks.

Call me Scrooge, but something is really f*^ked up here and what may be coming may have never been seen before.

Who is Ron Paul?

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-12-25 17:23:44

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about/

Who is Dr. Ron Paul? He’s a 71-year-old surgeon who is probably the last, best hope for a President who will honor and uphold the Constitution.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2007-12-25 19:04:54

Sammy,
I concur about Ron Paul, but unfortunately the sheeples aren’t smart enough to elect him. They will vote for a mainstream candidate.They they can’t see, is that both parties have lead us to totalitarianism. Ron Paul is aware of The Austrian Schhol Of Economics, and would be an ideal Preident at this time in our history. I like, but more importantly respect Mr. Paul. He is the answer.

God Bless and may he RIP, the honorable Aaron Russo.
From Freedom To Fascism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=from+freedom+to+fascism&total=1045&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2007-12-25 20:29:21

The second part of From Freedom To Fascism gets into:
*National ID Card
*RFID Chips (Sky Chip Attorney interviewed)
*Free Trade Agreements Nightmare- to lower our standard of living
*One World Govt.

Important to at least be aware of. This isn’t far left propaganda (unfortunately).

 
 
 
Comment by crush
2007-12-26 03:15:10

they shorted stuff not unlike that which they securitized

crush

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-12-25 11:24:57

Remininscent of the time NYC (or was it the state of New York?) went bankrupt and asked for a federal bailout. It was refused. The big headline in one of the NYC tabloids read, “Reagan to NY: Drop Dead.”

At least I think the pres was Reagan when this happened.

Comment by Jennifer
2007-12-25 13:05:14

It was Gerald Ford, back in the 70s. “Ford to NY: Drop Dead.”

 
Comment by Mormon_Tea
2007-12-25 13:07:10

No, It was “FORD TO CITY: DROP DEAD”

Comment by Jennifer
2007-12-25 13:14:11

Ah. I just remember seeing that and being scared because I thought the president could literally order everyone in a city to drop dead, and I was afraid he would order us to die next.

Oh, right, like you were all geniuses in preschool.

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Comment by spike66
2007-12-25 17:13:36

NYC never went bankrupt…though it teetered on the edge. Fexlix Rohatyn created Big Mac bonds, which were sold and later paid off in full to investors. Ford, then advised by Cheney and Rumsfeld no less (2 who have been on the taxpayer payroll forever) advised Ford to let the city go bankrupt, and take the state and the global financial system with it.

“MAC, the state agency created to rescue New York City from the threat of bankruptcy in the mid-1970s, posted legal notices in October announcing it would cease to exist on July 1, 2008, the expiration date set by law. Big MAC, as it was called, hasn’t had much to do since 2004, when the city—now the picture of financial health—refunded the last of its bonds, which totaled nearly $10 billion at peak issuance.
New York State created MAC after President Gerald Ford refused in May, 1975, to provide an emergency federal loan to the city.”
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_47/c4059038.htm

 
 
Comment by Tim
2007-12-25 11:28:03

Yes. Goldman was the only one that hedged right.

Comment by TimeTraveler
2007-12-25 12:07:16

They all short. GS just shorted waaaayyyy more.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-12-25 11:40:45

I think it was Reagan who turned down a bailout of NY (or was it NYC?) when it was bankrupt. Next day one of the tabloids had the giant headline, “Reagan to NY: Drop Dead”

Comment by evildoc
2007-12-25 14:59:34

no. it wasn’t

 
Comment by spike66
2007-12-25 17:17:51

NYC never went bankrupt. This is just misinformation that keeps getting recycled by republicans. It teetered on the brink under Pres. Ford, who was advised by Cheney and Rumsfeld to let the city fall, and take the financial system with it. Rohatyn saved the city with Mac bonds, which were repaid in full to the tune of 10billion dollars.
Rumsfeld and Cheney had to wait 30 years for their chance to destroy a city again–Bagdad–and to court financial ruin with Enro-style off balance sheet accounting for the war, and of course that capitalist favorite, no-bid contracts.

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2007-12-25 15:34:39

Those Norwegians should have drinking aquavit, oh, they were you say, instead of investing in subprime. They are also the 3rd biggest exporter of oil.Too bad Ole and the boys will have to work another year for their pensions!

 
Comment by pismoclam
2007-12-25 16:41:48

This is the time to have a beer, aquavit, and of course lutefisk .Then hit the steamer, cut a hole in the ice, jump in then have a coronary. If you’re subprime, not to worry. Gov is there to help you. heheheheheehe

 
 
Comment by Decade Renter
2007-12-25 11:10:48

anyone have any info on 90274 ? Starting to crack? Prices seem stable not falling . any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Comment by Tim
2007-12-25 11:25:52

Make sure you look at DOM and inventory changes over the last 12 months. In many areas asking prices are the same as last year, but if things are not moving that is not indicative of market value.

Comment by Neil
2007-12-25 12:18:13

90274 falls 18 months after ‘the basin’ starts declining. You see, on the hill “its different here.” ;) I can recall in 1993 everyone in 90274 and to a lesser extent 90275 saying how those zip codes wouldn’t fall. By end of 1995, they were down 40%. So expect a time delay and then a big hit.

Also wait for March. A little birdie told me about a relocation. ;) Note: Dependent on a contract win. (Why move people so that you can hire a lot of new blood if there isn’t a need.)

Got popcorn?
Neil

Comment by SoBay
2007-12-25 15:43:19

I do a lot of custome cabinet design and sales in the beach area.
- 62k on Via Victoria Palos Verdes Estates 90274
- 34k on Sunmist Dr Palos Verdes Estates 90275
- 66k on Via Alameada Redondo Beach 90274
- 26k Buck Board Rolling hills 90274

I am only one of 4 salesman, so I don’t know what everyone else has going. These are jobs that will be installed in January. I have more in the area, but they are spread out in the coming months for the area.

- There is a powerful lot of money in the area. All of these customers are over 40 years old and only one is a new home, the rest are remodels. Prices will adjust in this area - but you won’t see them in the toilet.

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Comment by Neil
2007-12-25 22:20:55

Toilet? No. But hit hard? Most likely. As hard as flipper full South Torrance or Redondo? I doubt it too… but I heard a lot of ‘PV won’t fall hard’ in 1993 and then watched it fall HARD in 1994/1995. ;)

Yes, 2/3rds won’t move. But real estate prices are set at the margin. But its going to take longer for 90275 than say 90277.

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
 
 
Comment by peter m
2007-12-25 15:30:00

Palos Verdes Pen. 90274 17 $1,798 21.9%

Very tough nut to figure but it looks as if some really hi-end zips in LA are indeed running contrary to the generalized trend of LA prices falling YOY. Very few i might add and as a percent of total LA Sales and listings theses super-hi end sales of mulit-million$ estates are a minsicule Percentage.

here is a short but fairly representative list of some hi-end LA zips where at least 10 homes sold average 1 million apiece . first 8 zips showed increases in YOY % . Last six showed neg YOY.
These 14 zips acct for .08 % of total LA cty sales in sfh’s. less than 1 %.

Arcadia 91007 15 $1,015 28.5
Palos Verdes Pen. 90274 17 $1,798 21.9%
Rancho P.V. 90275 22 $1,215 25.9%
San Marino 91108 20 $1,679 46.0%
Manhattan Beach 90266 21 $1,835 34.9
Venice 90291 10 $1,260 24.4%
LA/Rancho Park 90064 12 $1,590 77.8%
West Hollywood/LA 90069 12 $1,700 28.3%

La Canada Flintridge 91011 11 $1,000 -27.2%
LA/Bel-Air 90077 11 $1,625 -38.9%
LA/Brentwood 90049 12 $1,533 -18.3
LA/Hollywood 90068 25 $1,185 -1.2
LA/West LA 90025 10 $1,055 -54.3%
West Hollywood/LA 90046 21 $1,050 -8.7%

These are 14 hi-end zips out of total estimated total of 40 hi-end LA zips, which is 15% of 270 total LA Cty zips. The other 85%(190 zips) are going to the crapper but in LA only the hi-end counts, at least in LA times RE section.

Note: San Marino, Arcadia, Palos verde Penninsula, Rancho PV are favored areas for foreign RE investment, especially wealthy Asians.

Comment by Tokyo Renter - ex Culver City Renter
2007-12-25 16:46:19

Granted this is a bit anecdotal, but it shoes that even the ‘rich people over 40s can be idiotic for pay crazy prices in the Palos Verdes.

About a year or so ago I was talking to my Uncle’s second wife who used to live in Palos Verdes with her first husband who was an aerospace engineer.

They bought in 1973 a large ranch (2400 square foot) home with a 15k square foot lot. They paid somewhere around 25-35kk for the house. Her husband made 20k.

That same house is going for nearly 2M after checking Zillow (yea, yea I know). I told her how much it was going for and she laughed. She couldn’t believe how someone could pay that much for that house. It was a nice house she said but nothing that special.

My uncle and her currently have a house twice the size with about the same size lot in Ormond by the Sea near Daytona Florida and a truly luxurious home. They paid 400k in 2001.

That very same house that is around 2M now, went for 350k in 2002.

Oh and Tokyo is equally as stupid. Japanese are just as willing(Stupid) to put themselves into hock for the rest of their natural lives. My wife and I went to look at a condominium, the largest was 950 square feet was around $900k in a grungy working class neighborhood (it was built by Toyota, which makes houses as well as cars).

At the sales office, my wife spied an application for one of the ’smaller’ units 700 square feet (3 bedrooms no less). It was about $675k and the applicants income was around $60k/year. Thanks to abnormally low interest rates here, you can actually squeeze yourself into something. I work as an IT manager for an investment bank (not GS!) here in Tokyo and make well into the low six figures and from what I am guessing, people who are making what I make are picking up million dollar + houses/condos/townhouses here. All because they-can-make-that-payment! There is a lot of that mentality here.

Though property taxes on condos and townhouses (attached housing) is a lot lower than in the states or if you purchased a detached house of the same size.

Well wife agrees, things are nuts, so we save over half my pay check each month and just keep waiting. Renting ‘aint’ so bad! :-)

Oh yes, Tokyo will crash too! And I hope it crashes hard.

Happy Holidays fellow HBBers!

Tokyo Renter - ex Culver City Renter

p.s. One of the reasons for the high prices here in Tokyo is the collusion between real estate agents, developers and banks which are often times the same company. They have colluded since the war to artificially keep real estate high. This forces both individuals and companies to take out a lot of loans to keep up any decent lifestyle here. If real estate prices in Tokyo actually represented supply and demand, prices for both rent and purchasing would be about half or even less!

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2007-12-25 20:43:42

Of all countries, you’d think Japan would have learned from their past real estate bubble. I mean, if 15 years of declining, then stagnant prices weren’t enough to teach their banks, and populace about value, then they are doomed.

I have the utmost respect for the Japanese culture.

Thanks for sharing your adventure in Japan regarding housing.

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Comment by ahansen
2007-12-26 01:13:09

Doin’ just fine, thank you very much.
Although most of our folks own our
property outright generationally and all that….
RHHS, rah, rah, rah.

 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2007-12-25 11:13:28


“In addition, Rapid City is attracting California transplants.”

Looks like California housing bubble was feeding housing boom in half the country. Now that the bubble in CA is bursting rapidly, there will be lot of disappointed communities.

Jas

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-12-25 11:26:47

So Rapid City has rich farmers, Florida has rich Europeans, California has rich Koreans. That’s why “it’s different” there.

Comment by Jas Jain
2007-12-25 11:43:45


Rich Koreans, rich Chinese, rich Indians, all got rich after getting to the Golden State. Most of the gold mines have been abandoned (not profitable with all the regulations) and the dirt is worth more than the gold in many zip codes. There were many booms and busts before the WW II in CA, but we haven’t had a major bust since the WW II. We are long due for one, though.

Jas

 
Comment by ronin
2007-12-25 12:57:30

Land prices were much much cheaper 10 years ago and 5 years ago. Why didn’t all those rich foreign folks rush to buy things up then? What’s so special about now, other than mere utter desperation?

 
 
Comment by NotInMontana
2007-12-25 12:29:17

Dang, and I was hoping it was a place people weren’t going so I could go there myself. Must have had it confused with No Dakota. No one goes there, right? ;)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-12-25 20:27:05

North Dakota and Michigan tied for the highest ratio of move-outs to move-ins during 2006 according to one of the national moving van lines.

 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2007-12-25 11:19:46


“Central Europe’s real estate market is relatively safe from the global credit crisis, the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors believes. ‘[Central and Eastern Europe] is certainly better insulated from risks of a major shock than other parts of Europe,’ the group’s chief economist, Simon Rubinsohn, told a real estate conference in Budapest.”

No country, or region, is “safe from the global credit crisis.” Got it, Dr. Rubinsohn? Everyone was directly, or indirectly, selling to Americans, especially, Californians. The world economy was a domino and it will come crashing down.

Jas

Comment by Left LA Behind
2007-12-25 12:21:50

Correct; as if all of those native Latvians can afford to pay $500sf for flats in Riga. The Irish will keep buying? They have their own problems at home. Holiday makers will rent them out for a premium? When the great unwinding increases in velocity, holiday budgets will be reduced.

Perhaps the cash-rich Russians will start buying up the territories they once took by force.

 
 
Comment by The Canary
2007-12-25 11:25:29

Just watched Its a Wonderful Life last night…then again, who didn’t? But, the line that struck me was about lending money to anyone “where does that get us, a lazy rabel instead of a thrifty working class”.

Comment by NotInMontana
2007-12-25 12:30:39

Shows you the price of sentimentality. We sure bought into that one. The banker was a Big Meanie!

Comment by NotInMontana
2007-12-25 12:32:30

..and another thing: I wouldn’t be surprised if that very movie weren’t seized upon as a rallying cry somehow in the future, even though it would be all wrong…the bankers are Big Meanies and they’re taking our houses/ATMs away, make the govt stop them..just a little prediction.

 
 
 
Comment by charliebrown
2007-12-25 11:25:47

“Anthony Accetta, a former federal prosecutor who works as a private fraud investigator in Denver, has seen this coming. He said he went to Wall Street’s biggest firms with a pitch, only to find that they did not care how their money was loaned, as long as they could keep bundling the loans into mortgage-backed securities and pass them off to investors.”

“‘I was trying to sell these firms quality-control programs, and they laughed at me,’ he said. ‘This is not a gamble that went wrong. This is not an accident. This is fraud, and I want it prosecuted.’”

Who is John Galt, whoops, Ron Paul?

Comment by pismoclam
2007-12-25 16:50:50

The conspiracy fans on this blog will appreciate this, Jeb Bush Inc, helped make a deal that almost sunk the State of Florida. He helped broker a sale of $872 million of toxic subprime from Lehman Bros. to Floridas investment fund. His brother, GW, is only now trying to bail out the subprimers ect ect.

Comment by measton
2007-12-25 20:58:06

How is it a conspiracy theory. It’s factually documented history. Niel, Jeb, the hole family. I believe Jeb had previously been on the board that oversaw the investments making his lobbying of the group highly unethical.

 
 
 
Comment by txchick57
2007-12-25 11:28:05

I’ve been saying for 4 years now that this alleged strength in the DFW market was bogus, BS. Prices do not go up here anymore. People are greedy like everywhere else and people from out of town bubble areas have stupidly overpaid for things but I’d say the Dallas market has crested the hill and is ready for the big plunge.

Comment by dl
2007-12-25 14:36:11

Is Frisco considered part of the Dallas market? I have a friend trying to sell a house there and I was curious as to what the conditions where there.

Comment by txchick57
2007-12-25 16:38:43

Yes. It’s horrid. Frisco is foreclosure central. He’ll never sell it.

Comment by dl
2007-12-25 18:46:00

That’s too bad. I think he is making the classic mistake by slowly lowering the price and not enough at that. Unfortunately it is difficult to reason with people in a situation like that.

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Comment by txchick57
2007-12-25 20:09:01

It really is hopeless out there. If he has no equity, I’d do the short sale route.

 
 
 
 
Comment by NotInMontana
2007-12-25 14:49:54

My nephew moved there last summer and bought 2 places. He had been flipping in SoCal and “made” $1 mil in 2005. I’d say “grossed” is more like it. Hope he was straight with his taxes..his dad says things are slow but the kid just needs to get the word out. Yeah. My brother prides himself on not paying attention to business, money news etc because it bores him and my dad was all into that. So he’s clueless, though he lived off the money my dad made in the markets.

Comment by CA renter
2007-12-26 05:07:28

At least one son/daughter (you) would make your dad proud. Good for you for listening to you parents.

 
 
 
Comment by txchick57
2007-12-25 11:29:34

In addition, Rapid City is attracting California transplants.”

Ben, that is possibly the funniest line I’ve ever read on this blog.

Comment by Jas Jain
2007-12-25 11:48:35


And the most oft-repeated quote by local RE promoters. We Californians are very popular. For how long?

Jas

Comment by Blacque Jacques Shellacque
2007-12-25 13:55:47

We Californians are very popular. For how long?

Until certain California types start trying to turn their new digs into another California.

 
 
Comment by Neil
2007-12-25 12:22:44

lol, Ok, I consider my geographic skills in the top 5% of Americans, if not the top 2%. But I had to go over to google earth to even figure out where this place is!

I’m sorry, but attracting one or two couples from CA isn’t ‘attracting California transplants.’ Or is the state exodus so huge that we’re now populating every small and mid-size city in the US? ;)

Got popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Jas Jain
2007-12-25 13:07:39


But, Neil, “one or two couples from CA” stand out in Rapid City and the likes!

Got no popcorn!

Jas

Comment by Neil
2007-12-25 22:22:25

ROTFL

They do. More so if they’re Goths. ;)

Merry Christmas everyone!
Neil

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Comment by LFSD
2007-12-25 17:25:29

Attracting one or two Californians here would be a big deal considering there are more people in San Jose than all of South Dakota. I moved to Rapid City from Las Vegas. I saw this article in the local paper. High rise condos in Rapid City at over $300 a square foot is absolutely hilarious. Maybe in 200 years when global warming is in full force. Even then, not $300/foot. I paid $88 a square foot for a house with 3 car garage and 3/4 of an acre in one of the nicest neighborhoods in the area. I still probably overpaid.

One of the craziest things is they call this the “banana belt” of South Dakota because it is warmer here than the northeastern side of the state. Well, that land is tundra and just because it is 10 degrees here instead of -5 there it is still frickin’ cold. I have to admit the summers are very pleasant.

If the “Californians are moving in” theme has gotten all the way to South Dakota, then the Californians are clearly done moving in. But, I didn’t need to tell you guys that.

 
 
Comment by Mugsy
2007-12-25 16:07:44

Hollywod, San Francisco, San Diego, Rapid City. I’m buyin’ it!

Actually, after November, Rapid City is not a fun place to be till about June.

Comment by Eggman
2007-12-25 22:00:48

Went for a walk just North of San Jose on Christmas Day. T-shirt and cotton sweater. The sun is out, the birds are on the water and the grass is green. Some places here have more problems than others but California still beats South Dakota by a mile plus. Only a Realtor could tell a whopper like that one.

Comment by Greg
2007-12-26 00:34:37

CA may have advantages of climate, but I’ll still never live in that kind of a place again (nor Phx, Tucson, FL, etc.). All of you are welcome to hate the Dakotas and leave them to us!!

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Comment by crush
2007-12-26 03:21:56

“california transplants” with their precious vital organ in decline: Money…why else would you move to the Dakotas…good lord

crush

 
 
Comment by Ann
2007-12-25 11:34:34

Hope for those that celebrate Christmas that it is a good one…funny..headlines here in Atlanta area yesterday is regarding the credit card debt becoming the next wave of issues…

As family takes turns jammin on the guitar hero…and I look around at the presents we gave to each other(PAYING CASH)…I am so thankful that we never fell into the credit card trap..

All that we go for the holidays is paid for…no surprise bill coming in the next few months..however, I did miss the fact that Walmart no longers allow lawaways…it was always great getting the electronic items we wanted, having Walmart store them until mid December and then paying them off.. this year I had to do it week by week and it was pain in the butt..but hey not on Plastic…

Comment by Blacque Jacques Shellacque
2007-12-25 23:20:33

I am so thankful that we never fell into the credit card trap..

CCs are only a trap if one lacks the discipline to use them responsibly.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-12-25 11:36:47

Paladin has his work cut out for him. Investigators and prosecutors “overwhelmed” by amount of mortgage fraud.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/12/23/cccrisis123.xml

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-12-25 11:38:23

Let’s try the mortgage fraud article again, this time with the correct link. Sorry.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20071225/ZNYT02/712250668

 
Comment by stanleyjohnson
2007-12-25 11:49:56

http://www.ProfessionalAnimations.com/GAImage/Animations/Arrows/Blue_forward.gif

Happy Holidays from 90274 located on that large hill you see from pilot side of jet landing from east to west and at Lax about 10 minutes before you land. Price still high in 90274.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-12-25 12:03:38

“The Norwegian government has meanwhile indicated it will not rescue the towns. ‘The towns have also committed errors, for which they must take the consequences,’ Geving said, adding that ‘the state cannot be a security net.’”

Making people pay for their mistakes - what a concept!

Comment by Neil
2007-12-25 12:25:59

And we’ll wonder why they’ll recover from this debacle 1st with a culture that prevents them from being suckered again.

Cest la vie,
Got popcorn?
Neil

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2007-12-25 12:26:35


Where is your Christmas spirit? A compassionate society pays people for their mistakes. Govt. is there to take care of the problems, no?

Jas

 
 
Comment by Blacque Jacques Shellacque
2007-12-25 12:27:56

Skyline Pines East, the hilltop development project planned for the southern edge of Rapid City, South Dakota, will include four condominium towers standing seven stories tall. The 196-unit project will offer great views of Rapid City and the plains. Meanwhile, planning continues for the Rushmont Building, a 17-story condominium tower in downtown Rapid City. It will offer great views of downtown.

How about adding some enticements for the Harley Davidson crowd? Those condos can be worth something for the better part of a week at least once each year

Comment by Anthony
2007-12-25 14:39:17

17 stories in Rapid City? That is taller than nearly all the buildings in places like San Jose.

 
 
Comment by Decade Renter
2007-12-25 12:47:04

Thanks Neil…appreciate info on 90274

 
Comment by crisrose
2007-12-25 12:48:20

“And if they were late paying, they knew where to crawl.”

The ‘pride’ of home ‘owner’ship.

 
Comment by tuxedo_junction
2007-12-25 12:59:19

” … said there are a number of Midwestern farmers selling their farms and moving to the Black Hills.”

Is that number 1, 2, or 3?

 
Comment by ugh
2007-12-25 14:20:55

Now might be a good time to buy, if,

The joint has a good intact cold-war bunker….

 
Comment by txchick57
2007-12-25 14:41:28

http://wwjbmovie.com/

Trailer in the lower left hand corner

Comment by rudekarl
2007-12-25 15:10:15

I’ve been waiting for that one to come out. By the way, you’re absolutely correct regarding the Dallas market. We are toast. I caught some vagrant breaking into cars in my parking garage in downtown Dallas a week or so ago. The funny part (if there is a funny part) is that after the police arrived, I overheard some of the residents that own there lofts bitching about living in downtown, about all the crime, etc. and about how their lofts are worth 20-30% less than they paid for them five years ago. I was able to contain myself as they all bickered about the management company, the high HOA dues, etc. and remembered how glad I am that I rent and that I can leave anytime I want. Dallas is hosed and will take a major hit in the oncoming financial tsunami that is getting ready to crash down on America.

Merry Christmas everyone - I hope you all helped out the retailers and maxed out your credit cards for them. After all, it’s the responsibility of every man, woman and child in this country to make sure that all the retailers can show a profit this time of year - at least that’s what I’ve gleaned from watching the news the past couple of months.

Comment by txchick57
2007-12-25 16:41:44

Renting if you must live in Dallas is a must. That at least gives you the peace of mind of knowing you can leave at any time. Trying to sell a house here is an experience I would not wish on my worst enemy. If you can find a buyer in this sea of overprivileged self absorbed jerks we have here, that’s just half the battle. The credit quality is terrible and most of them are in so much debt, they can’t get a loan anymore.

Comment by rudekarl
2007-12-25 17:31:51

I was phone interviewing w/ a firm in Tampa a couple of weeks ago and the partner interviewing me mentioned that their new CFO came from McKinney and that his house has been on the market for about a year. I think half my building is currently for sale, but the only people looking are knife catchers. I love to snicker every once in a while when a potential buyer is walking the halls thinking about committing financial suicide. Apparently, there are quite a few folks running around completely oblivious to the fact that the economy is melting down.

I figured I might go to Florida since there should be quite a bit of legal work associated w/ the real estate implosion (and, I just got licensed there, too).

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Comment by txchick57
2007-12-25 20:07:52

Oh yeah. And securities stuff too.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2007-12-25 16:40:23

“‘I was trying to sell these firms quality-control programs, and they laughed at me,’ he said. ‘This is not a gamble that went wrong. This is not an accident. This is fraud, and I want it prosecuted.’”

THANK YOU. I want these scumbags doing the perp walk with silver bracelets. All the way to the top. This entire thing was planned. It was contrived as a means to avoid a recession beginning in 2001. Whats worse, it was contrived by clowns at the top who only cared about getting re-elected.

Comment by CA renter
2007-12-26 05:13:35

And who stood to profit from it.

IMO, Wall Street = Washington D.C.

They are one and the same.

 
 
Comment by neon kitty lips
2007-12-25 19:11:42

“Let me see - I will have these expenses plus this mortgage payment with this low initial interest rate which I can easily meet. BUT wait, on ‘X’ date the interest rate goes up and the mortgage payment will be ‘Y’ amount. Can I still afford to buy the house? Even a caveman can, so surely a high school dropout should be able to figure that out!”

My suspicion is that these folks know exactly what a dollar is worth and what it will buy. They would never be talked in to buying a head of lettuce for $200 - with our without fine print. They knew what they were doing, they were gambling on making a profit.

Comment by reuven
2007-12-25 22:43:28

Absolutely! I don’t believe for one minute that any FB’er with an Adustable, Option-ARM, or I/O mortgage is an “innocent victim”. They all KNEW they were buying houses they can afford, and no “affordability fairy” can wave her magic wand and make a house affordable.

They were just betting that they could get out of it and find a Greater Fool before the bubble popped.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-12-25 19:17:38

“Bear Stearns CEO James Cayne has denied reports in The Wall Street Journal that he smokes dope. He’d be better off saying he does. How else can one explain loaning billions of dollars to millions of deadbeats?

Almost every one of my peers was doing it, too?

Comment by Dan
2007-12-25 19:57:43

faced with the impending doom, the best move is to take the company private, save cash and wait the implosion out.

The problem with this is that it takes too much money to take these big companies private, as they would be overvalued along with the rest of the market.

So most CEO’s just choose to rake in the dough during the good times and then adhere to the Madam de Pompadour’s strategy, “Après nous, le déluge”.

 
Comment by 01/20/2009 end of an error
2007-12-25 20:17:02

I think it takes something stronger than weed. What was in the sugar cubes that went in the kool-aid?

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-12-25 19:20:59

“Which is less attractive, Pottersville or Greenspan City? It’s a real tossup.”

Greepspan City is less attractive, hands down.

Comment by Curt
2007-12-26 03:54:56

Still a classic:

http://tinyurl.com/2dnj53

 
 
Comment by Little Al
2007-12-25 21:04:14

“The weak borrowers who couldn’t get a mortgage from the sourpuss Potter — and probably not Bailey — were better off than the moderns lured by the happy dancing figures. The latter were sucked into paying inflated house prices and fleeced by stiff fees and punishing interest rates. Then they lost their homes.”

This analogy is all wrong. Jimmy Stewart’s character was uplifted because he made loans to non-wasps like Italians. Black people got directed straight to subprime on account of their blackness. Mr. Potter’s spirit was alive through this debacle.

 
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Comment by Not_In_Montana
2007-12-26 10:10:24

Poop, this didn’t show up the first time.

Local paper here started a mortgage lender blog, dispensing advice like this:

“In my humble opinion it is a prime time to buy a new home or refinance your existing mortgage. Rates are at two year lows and houses in most parts of the country are sitting on the market for much longer periods of time. I do advise too that there are certain areas of the US that real estate prices will get even lower but in most areas of the Northwest I feel that if you buy smart you will get a real good deal. ”

I can’t tell who the people are who post on the blog.

 
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