An Unusual Economic Situation
Some housing bubble news from Wall Street and Washington. Reuters, “Countrywide Financial Corp, the largest U.S. mortgage lender, said on Wednesday that foreclosures and late payments rose in December to the highest on record. In its monthly operating report, Countrywide said the foreclosure rate among the 9.03 million mortgages for which it collects and processes payments doubled to 1.44 percent from 0.70 percent a year earlier, and rose from November’s 1.28 percent.”
“The delinquency rate rose to 7.20 percent of unpaid balances from 4.60 percent a year earlier. December’s rates were the highest since 2002, the earliest period for which data are available.”
“In December…average daily mortgage loan applications fell 17 percent to $1.54 billion. Total lending fell 44 percent from $41.7 billion a year earlier, as subprime volume sank to $6 million from $3.74 billion.”
“The company is offering yields above 5 percent on some certificates of deposit and savings accounts to attract cash after credit markets seized up last year.”
The Orange County Register. “Folks shopping for a home loan are likely to face higher fees this year, especially if they have even a minor ding on their credit record.”
“Lenders already have raised their consumer prices to reflect fee increases they must pay to Fannie Mae, the largest U.S. funder of home loans, and Freddie Mac, beginning in March.”
“And for the first time Fannie and Freddie are charging higher fees on loans to borrowers with low to mid-range credit scores, known as FICO. Beginning March 1, the new fees will apply to anyone with a FICO under 680, if the loan is greater than 70 percent of the value of the home. That’s on top of the 0.25 percent fee.”
“Aaron Kopelson, in the Laguna Hills office of Loan Link Financial Services, which funds and brokers loans, said Fannie and Freddie have moved to ‘risk-based pricing’ for the first time. They are acting on rising delinquencies, he said.”
“UBS, a global financial company, said in a Jan. 2 report that roughly 40 percent of Alt-A loans made in 2006 and early 2007 could have qualified for sale to an agency like Fannie, while 26 percent of subprime loans could have qualified.”
“Now all such loans need to qualify or they won’t find funding, UBS said. To be sure, some lenders are making and holding a few riskier loans, experts say.”
“Raphael Bostic, associate director of USC’s Lusk Center for Real Estate, said fees hitting folks borrowing more than 70 percent of the value of a home seem rather ’strict’ and he would have expected the value to be set at 90 percent or more.”
“In an email, he wrote that the new rule suggests that Fannie and Freddie anticipate ’significant price declines’ for homes.”
The Connecticut Post. “In advance of its fourth-quarter earnings release, Webster Financial Corp. disclosed plans to cut costs and announced it will take a pre-tax provision of up to $62.4 million related to credit losses and discontinued businesses.”
“Of the funding, $40 million will increase the allowance for credit losses in ‘discontinued indirect residential construction and home equity loan portfolios,’ according to the news release.”
“‘We did some construction lending in Florida’ and had a national wholesale mortgage business, buying mortgages originated by others as a way to grow that part of the business, said spokesman Arthur House. ‘None of this is subprime’ lending, he said.”
“In the release, James C. Smith, Webster’s CEO, said the company has ‘identified, segregated and reserved against estimated losses,’ at a rate that reflects its view default and loss rates will ’significantly worsen from current levels.’”
From The Star. “Canadian credit-rating company DBRS Ltd. is swinging the axe, blaming the global credit crunch as it closes offices in Europe and cuts just over one-third of its workforce. The firm also cut support staff positions in Chicago, New York and its Toronto head office.”
“DBRS has been at the eye of the storm in Canada, where it was the only company to give its approval to asset-backed commercial paper issued by non-bank dealers. The $33 billion commercial paper market came to a halt in August as investors worried about possible links to risky U.S. subprime mortgages.”
The Vancouver Sun. “The U.S. housing crisis coupled with a Canadian dollar at par has taken a quarter-billion-dollar bite out of the value of Canada’s second-largest lumber company.”
“Vancouver-based Canfor Corp. announced that it can’t recover the carrying value of its mills and other assets, listed at $4.7 billion, from expected cash flows. It’s therefore writing down the value of those assets by $256 million.”
“‘Where the carrying value of assets is not expected to be recovered from future cash flows, they are written down to fair value,’ Canfor stated in a news release.”
“Canfor’s move in writing down the value of its mills is unusual for a lumber company but shows the depth of the financial crisis facing the industry, said Kevin Mason, analyst with Equity Research Associates.”
“The housing collapse has reduced the American appetite for lumber and prices have fallen to below break-even levels for Canadian producers. ‘The value of Canfor’s assets, especially if you look at it from the income they can produce, has definitely been impaired,’ Mason said. ‘This is not a surprise.’”
“He expects other companies may soon follow suit. ‘This does beg the question: How much more is out there? This could be a precursor to other lumber producers doing the same thing.”
“The $25-million corporate writedown includes $10.6 million clipped from value of Canfor’s cash investments in asset-backed commercial paper (ABCP). Canfor invested $85 million in ABCP which was exposed to the subprime mortgage fiasco in the U.S. created when high-risk buyers defaulted on their loans.”
“It is the second time Canfor has written down its investments in ABCP. It wrote the investment down by $6 million in the third quarter for a total writedown of $17 million, or 20 per cent.”
“Mason said it was foolish for a lumber company that is 100-per-cent exposed to the vagaries of the U.S. housing market to put its cash investments in the same market and invest with financial firms that could be hit by the subprime loan crisis.”
The Associated Press. “Residential homebuilder Brookfield Homes Corp. said Tuesday it will record a hefty charge in its fourth quarter due to impairments and write downs on its housing and land inventory.”
“Brookfield said due to ‘challenging market conditions,’ it had to lower its expectations for future revenue on its projects. Brookfield also said net new home orders for the fourth quarter dropped 50 percent due to the continued weakness in the housing market.”
From Trading Markets. “Based on the average of 33 active selling communities, the company’s sales rate during 2007 was about 0.4 sales per week per community, below the one sale a week which is considered a stable housing market, Brookfield said.”
“New home orders increased in Northern California while the Southern California market saw sharp declines. Orders in the San Diego, Riverside, Calif., and Washington, D.C., areas were also down.”
The Morning News. “As 2007 closed its doors so did several more Northwest Arkansas builders who sought debt relief by filing bankruptcy in recent weeks, leaving a dozen local banks to sort out $16.5 million in residential lots, finished and unfinished homes in Benton and Washington counties.”
“More than 70 building industry-related bankruptcies were filed in the Western District of Arkansas in 2007, according to court records. The builders recently filing bankruptcy had one thing in common — unsold residential property they could no longer afford to carry.”
“‘We are now seeing a second wave of bankruptcies, not unlike what happened a year ago when the market started its decline in July of 2006,’ said Kathy Deck, director for the Center for Business and Economic Research at the University of Arkansas’ Sam M. Walton School of Business.”
“Tim McMahon, was named ‘Northwest Arkansas’ Home Builder of the Year’ by CitiScapes Magazine in December. It was the same month he filed bankruptcy.”
“The federal bankruptcy schedule filings indicate McMahon owned 157 residential lots and 28 homes in Benton and Washington counties valued at $11.95 million. The outstanding loans on these properties total about $12.1 million.”
“Larry Pinkley, a Benton County builder for more than three decades, said tightened lending standards and too many unsold homes are pushing good builders out the business. ‘I hate to see quality builders close up shop, but it’s happening. When they can’t pay up and they can’t sell the property there really is no other solution,’ Pinkley said.”
“Pinkley said some builders are deeding back unsold properties to the lending banks in lieu of foreclosure. But because there is no public court filing in these cases, identifying the actual number of properties involved in this type of title reassignment is difficult at best.”
“A couple of large homes and a lot or two with little or no other income could bankrupt a builder in a matter of a few months, experts say.”
“While carrying costs vary from deal to deal, local banking experts said the standard benchmark for construction loans is roughly prime rate, give or take a percent. A $1 million construction loan made at last year’s prime rate of 8.25 percent could have monthly carrying costs of about $6,900 when fully funded.”
The LA Times. “Shares of KB Home plunged on Tuesday to a six-year low after the Los Angeles home builder reported a bigger-than-expected fiscal fourth-quarter loss of $773 million.”
“In a conference call with analysts Tuesday, KB Home CEO Jeffrey Mezger discounted any hope of a quick turnaround in the housing market, citing ‘oversupply, foreclosures, reduced affordability and declining consumer confidence.’”
“‘Current conditions are not improving enough to clear inventories,’ which stand at nine months for new homes nationwide, he said.”
“Mezger said the company’s customer mix was shifting. ‘We are definitely seeing a buyer viewing the home for lifestyle, intending to live in it for a while. The days of the flipper are gone,’ he said.”
The Boston Herald. “The residential real estate market is going through its worst investment period in 50 years - and it could get even rougher if the U.S. economy slows significantly in the coming year, Boston Federal Reserve president Eric Rosengren warned yesterday.”
“‘Let me be clear - this is an unusual economic situation and we cannot predict exactly what is going to happen,’ said Rosengren, an economist who studied the New England real estate crash in the early 1990s.”
“‘Since prices have declined substantially even in a relatively benign economic environment, one cannot discount the possibility that they could fall more rapidly should economic performance not remain strong in 2008,’ Rosengren said.”
That has to be a misprint.
“In December…average daily mortgage loan applications fell 17 percent to $1.54 billion. Total lending fell 44 percent from $41.7 billion a year earlier, as subprime volume sank to $6 million from $3.74 billion.”
Wow…..ouch.
$6 million is what in California on average, about 10-15 loans??
No misprint. I saw it in 3 different articles.
Could it all be from the same feed?
(6,000,000/3,740,000,000-1)*100 = -99.8 percent YOY decline (or -100 percent YOY if you prefer rounding to whole percentages)
Scary and surreal. I have to blink and reread some of the data, stop to catch my breath. Countrywide’s Mozilo mentioning “The Great Depression”! Eeeek momentum is really picking up and either you’re strapped in and can happily scream with delight on the way down, or…
Tan Man predicts Great Depression, but not for him.
Which means for all practical purposes the carnage of NEW resets will be over in 2009, 10, etc for the various 2, 3, 5 year ARMs. Somewhere in that time frame is when the real bottom will probably show up. I’m more concerned about seeing the 90% bottom, where the last 10% down may squeak out over 2 more years, but is equivalent to rent “thrown away”.
Regardless, I like the idea that as of January 1, 2008 very few unworthy borrowers are being lent money against houses.
It is meaningless. Countrwide said in August they would not do any more subprime and the only loans FHLC buys are prime full doc. That they did $6B is amazing. Who bought these MBS securities?
Oops make that $6 Million not Billion.
It was still a fun percentage change calculation
I wonder if the great orange pumpkin actually crapped his pants when he saw that. Isn’t that 6M about 0.16% of 3.74B?
Yeah, but think of the headlines if it goes back up to $20 million.
Subprime lending rises by 320%!
The company is offering yields above 5 percent on some certificates of deposit and savings accounts
Question - does FICC insurance cover accrued interest as well as principle?
If you put 10,000 in 5% 1 year CD, and the bank goes bankrupt just before your CD matures, will you get just original 10,000 back, or 10,500?
FDIC, oops.
And to answer my own question, based on FDIC website, it looks like the answer is yes.
Can’t say it makes me want to run out and get CDs with them.
Makes me want to keep my CDs right where they are.
Yes, it covers accrued interest. That’s why a lot of CDs sell at $90k or $95k. The brokered $95k, 6-month CD was quite popular during the S&L collapse.
Principal and accrued interest both covered by FDIC but i’m suspecting that one might not get interest AFTER a BK/receivership filing, only up to that point. Also it might take some time for the govt to sort out who gets what, meaning your money, though it will be paid back eventually, might be locked up for a while.
Net net net, while i looked into setting up a CD at Countrywide to caputure a whole 60 bp of yield (WOO HOOO!!!) over other CDs I have, i took a pass …
Wonder how many took up CW on their high CD rates are now shiotting their pants with this BK looming (inevitable?)?
Yeah, how is that 5.5% return going?
Advised my Dad to get his 16K out of a CFC CD over Xmas. Asked if he still had money in last night. Of course. Yield was 5.5%!
Finally dropped his wishing price on the Cape condo from 289K to 249K (after I told him 249K last year which I did not mention). Told him that 249K was last year’s price, but he won’t budge. How come I listen(ed) to his advice and he won’t listen to mine? Very frustrating.
Maybe b/c he knows that I have 62 lbs of silver in my gun safe and thinks his first-born is cuckoo for cocoa puffs? Perhaps…
MrBubble
PS: At least he and Mom are going to AU/NZ and Fiji on a month trip in a week. They saved their whole lives and I certainly don’t want any of their dough. Just hate to see them make avoidable mistakes!
PSS: But am I bummed that I sold my SRS and SKF last Thursday? Oh yeah.
Have a co-worker who sold his house in September and was excited about his 5.15% C-Wide CD that held most of his proceeds.
I will see him tomorrow and I’m curious to see what his opinion is now.
FDIC insured banks hold $2 trillion of the nations $10 trillion in mortgages. To back up bank failures, the FDIC depository insurance account (or whtever it is called) has $50 billion.
What happens when 1 big bank goes under with $100 billion in negative equity in its mortgage portfolio?
“They” print more money and the dollar drops in value. Meanwhile, the big money gets a heads up and moves their dollars to other currencies. Thus, the small (anyone with $5,000 to $1 million in CD’s)average saver gets fuc*ed again by ther financial gangsters. Interesting isn’ it.
The Joshua tree forest comes alive.
If the FDIC fails to deliver on its promises the hanging tree forest will most likely come alive.
The FDIC would have to borrow money from the federal government with Congressional approval, as it had to during the S&L crisis when its insurance fund ran out of money. In the event of a mega-sized bank failure, some customers would undoubtably be given FDIC certificates that could be redeemed at a future date. Demand deposit customers would typically receive their money immediately. The CD holders are the ones that would probably have to take certificates. Since CDs are time deposits, the CD holders would not have any undue hardship in having a FDIC certificate replace the CD.
“Tim McMahon, was named ‘Northwest Arkansas’ Home Builder of the Year’ by CitiScapes Magazine in December. It was the same month he filed bankruptcy.”
Irony used to be so scarce, that it was considered amusing.
I’m wondering how many homebuilders there can be in Northwest Arkansas in the first place.
A lot. I was *tramatized* when I first read about the bubble in Northwest Arkansas. Its huge. Why? Walmart. For decades they’ve been growing and employees who bought and rented out homes made a good return. When this bubble hit, they were bit by the frenzy too. Funny thing… Walmart also stopped hiring at their headquarters… so the new speculative housing was mostly surplus. That region will be one of the harder hit regions.
Got popcorn?
Neil
I used to live in Memphis and traveled out to NW Arkansas several times a month for work. The amount of new construction in that area was staggering. McMansions on tiny lots crammed into developments with an open field/rolling hills in all directions. It’s ridiculous to see high density housing in an area that has an abundance of open land; there are only ~3 million people in the entire state. The small home builders were starting to go belly up when I left the area in late ‘06.
This is low tech and generally poorly educated part of the country and I expect the fallout to be severe. The Ozark mountains are beautiful in the summer/fall however.
The income thing can’t possibly be overstated here. Certainly, there are some good jobs in NW Arkansas, high tech with walmart and other companies that have built up in that area. But overall, that part of the state is very poor. Arkansas in general, while the cost of living is good, is obviously a relatively low income place. The Ozarks help bring down the average, overshadowed only by the delta region. And the prices they were asking for land and houses in that area has been absolutely mind-boggling.
And the area is beautiful. I’m not exactly well traveled, but I’ve been a few places and haven’t seen any yet that compare to this part of the country. I plan on taking a trip to the Smoky mountains this summer, maybe that will compare. Hawaii didn’t even come close to holding a candle in terms of natural beuty. But then I’m biased…
Smokey Mountains is best seen in the springtime. Not as hot/humid, nor as crowded.
That area exploded in the last few years. That I’m aware of, no other area of AR had that type of appreciation, it was like the stuff I read about “other places”.
Bubble happened everywhere, central AR is experiencing some correction, but nothing close to the scale of NW AR.
“‘Let me be clear - this is an unusual economic situation and we cannot predict exactly what is going to happen,’ said Rosengren, an economist who studied the New England real estate crash in the early 1990s.”
If anyone should know, it’s him. Unless there was a lot of HELOCking there, in which case it will be that and much worse.
For many years, since the tech downturn, MA has been losing jobs. Couple that with the big dig (big salaries for HS dropouts) and you have a recipe for people living of HELOCs.
Now we see that New England, specially MA is one of the toughest places to sell a house, because there is not much room to drop the price, and New Englanders are entitled to sell their cra.. sorry, Castles for top money, and retire to Fl.
On the other hand, we are going to crash hard. Jobs leaving the state, and companies (prudential, fidelity, gillette, etc) also winding down or moving operations to lower cost locales.
We are in the midst of a perfect storm (Original was also here in MA).
(Jobs leaving the state, and companies (prudential, fidelity, gillette, etc) also winding down or moving operations to lower cost locales.)
I think jobs are leaving the state BECAUSE of high housing prices. Take Fidelity’s move to Raleigh-Durham. The total tax burden there isn’t much different than Mass. The Triangle has lots of universities, college students, and graduate students, like Mass. Mass has the ocean nearby and more history, the Triangle is newer and has a midler climate. So why the move?
Fidelity couldn’t hire in Mass without really high wages due to housing costs. And it is competing with Vanguard which has a historical cost advantage and is based in the cheaper Philly metro.
RE: I think jobs are leaving the state BECAUSE of high housing prices.
Not to worry with Governor Patrick’s $1 billion state aid money to the bio-tech sector which currently employs a whopping total of 2.4% of the state workforce.
Countrywide trading under $4.65.
52-week high was $45.26.
(4.65/45.26-1)*100 = -89.7 percent decline. Should we expect similar magnitude of losses in housing prices going forward?
I’d argue not. CFC will likely continue on down to zero, if not this quarter, probably this year at some point. Their true worth is zero, if not negative.
Housing still has value.
“Housing still has value.”
True. One should not confuse the value of leveraged financial firms or households with the value of the underlying asset to which leverage applies.
As a shelter!
Not as a get rich quick retirement pay off the debts fund my lifestyle type of value!
“Housing still has value”
Yes, the substantial value is the calculative cost of housing (=rent).
What struck me is that full 1/4 of their outstanding shares have traded hands just today. I’m a total newbie at this but that seems like an awful lot (some of those trades might be same-day resells, but STILL!)
I told friends back in early July that I thought the Countrywide share price would be down to 10 percent of its early July price by some time in Q4 ‘07 or Q1 ‘08. Looks like it’s right on schedule.
I didn’t see how they could end up anywhere other than bankruptcy with a business model that no longer applied, no matter huge cash infusions from BofA and others. At “best” it would seem, they might survive as a much smaller, very different company.
The National Assn. of Realtors gave a more upbeat assessment of the housing market Tuesday, predicting that home sales would hold steady and then climb by year’s end.
“A meaningful recovery in existing-home sales could occur as early as this spring, or it may be further delayed until late 2008,” NAR chief economist Lawrence Yun said.
Hahahahahahaha
NAR definition of “Meaningful” — Dead Cat Bounce of 1-2% as knife-catchers respond to the call.
It is human nature to seek meaning where there is none.
“And for the first time Fannie and Freddie are charging higher fees on loans to borrowers with low to mid-range credit scores, known as FICO. Beginning March 1, the new fees will apply to anyone with a FICO under 680, if the loan is greater than 70 percent of the value of the home. That’s on top of the 0.25 percent fee.”
This is something I don’t get. Charging marginal borrowers higher fees by itself doesn’t improve the chances they will be able to stay current on their mortgage payments; in fact it will hurt slightly their ability to stay current.
Imagine what those fees will be if they have to increase their conforming loan limits.
These are loans which should never be made to begin with.
“This is something I don’t get. Charging marginal borrowers higher fees by itself doesn’t improve the chances they will be able to stay current on their mortgage payments; in fact it will hurt slightly their ability to stay current. ”
Because the whole point of charging fees has nothing to do with helping them stay current. The intent is to give more of a reward to investors for accepting the risk.
Okay, so I am trying to follow the logic here. Seems this practice of charging more to marginal borrowers has always been done, whether it is in the form of higher interest rates or higher fees. So why should anyone be surprised at any of the mortgage loan defaults? The increased risk of default was supposedly already taken into account. I am not surprised at any of the defaults, just suprised at how these supposedly smart people on wall street were seemingly blindsided.
Is this their way of saying the FICO system is not a good determanent of mortgage risk?
or more succinctly, “what changed?” my unschooled opinion right now is that people are still picking apart the pieces to determine what changed.
one thing that will need to be determined is the degree to which the risk was hidden as the loans were bundled and rebundled into various derivatives, and then sold and resold.
the idea seems great in theory, dilute the risk by spreading it out throughout the population. but the effect of diluted risk, is asset inflation. and the effect of asset inflation is attempts to hide risk. if assets aren’t inflating, who has incentive to hide their risk?
risk as a trade-off for reward only works if there is confidence in your risk assessment tools. once you lose that… bye bye.
all of this explains what kept the snowball going once it got started, but i still wonder what confluence of events got this particular snowball started.
“risk as a trade-off for reward only works if there is confidence in your risk assessment tools. once you lose that… bye bye.”
Yes, exactly, but even the resident pigeons and squirrels around here knew that no one had the income to pay back the loans being taken out. And they have no tools. You just knew it by noticing year after year of monster housing price increases without any sort of income increases to back it up. Simple as that. I was really starting to wonder how this thing could keep going and going year after year. Makes me wonder why/how all these smart wall-street types were completely oblivious to it all. Could it be they were making loads of money off of this monster and looked the other way? I want to know because I have played it safe and may pay for this stupidity in some way or another.
Like hazardous duty pay.
The FICO scoring system is a joke.
The purpose of the FICO system appears to be as a deterrent against default for those who are in good standing rather than a predictor of who will not repay a debt.
“‘Let me be clear - this is an unusual economic situation and we cannot predict exactly what is going to happen,’ said Rosengren, an economist who studied the New England real estate crash in the early 1990s.”
Forgive my youth, but was the “New England real estate crash” exactly that….a crash?
Or was it more of a dip in prices. I know my older brother bought his fixer-upper house in ‘91 for 115k that in theory was worth 160k a few years before. Incendently, Nassau County claims this house value at 585k. (snigger)
There was a time, perhaps, when a 28% decrease in the price of an asset was considered a “crash”..?
it was a crash danni. I was there. Note that Long Island isn’t New England. Not even close.
Extrication Time at Bear Stearns
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/09/business/09bear.html
and
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/01/the-danger-from.html
Just curious….is it too late to get involved shorting the likes of CFC?? I know my potential losses are unlimited if it heads back higher, still I’m soooo tempted to dive in with my little grubstake.
You probably can’t get it to borrow.
Chick, you a SUCH a party-pooper!
I’m just late to the party, as usual.
http://www.thestreet.com/s/how-countrywide-got-strangled-with-a-thread/newsanalysis/media/10397777.html?
No! Never touch a stock which has gone down this far UNLESS you are day trading and day trading is a very risky occupation with a very high failure rate. The meat has been chewed off the bone with CFC at this juncture. This is a typical point where the naive investor jumps in and gets caught on BOTH sides. All the signals reveal that this stock is still going down but the “naive” investors on the other side (bullish) might decide it’s time to buy. The Financial Gangsters of Wall Street feed off suckers. That’s how they make $60 million bonus payouts.
Stay away from CFC. If it continues to go down don’t kick yourself that you didn’t short (if you can even get in). Preservation of capital is the name of the game and there are plenty of other stocks worth your attention without bothering with CFC.
As for me, I NEVER buy single stocks. I only deal with high volume ETF’s. Too many predator crooks on Wall Street who are watching and waiting to single out single stocks, separate them from the safety of the herd and take them down - or up. With ETF’s, you have safety in numbers. NOBODY knows what the Financial Gangsters of Wall Street are going to do next but there is a 100% guarantee. They NEVER lose in the long run.
Understood, Mike. I get the “itch” at times but need reminding I’m nowhere near ready for such things.
Will look into ETF’s too. Thank you!!
Where’s a good place to learn more about ETFs?
Don’t know yet myself, haven’t looked. Sorry.
It’s best to conentrate on one or two ETF’s otherwise you end up running around from chart to chart like a chicken without a head.
The main 2 ETF’s because of high volume, are the SPY and the QQQQ’s. Also the DIA and the MDY but the DIA, SPY and MDY are pretty rich. In the $125 a share range. QQQQ’s are good because they are around $50, have very high volume which (usually) allows you to get out or in quickly but REMEMBER, if you decide to trade, make sure (A) You are comfortable with the signals you use and (B) Trading on a reasonable short term time frame, as opposed to putting money in a stock for the long haul, is 85% psychological. That term (psychological) not only means getting in and out of a trade but ALSO cutting your losses on a losing trade, biting the bullet and getting out before a bad trade turns into a financial horror story. Been there - done that.
Above and beyond that, bear in mind you are going to try and take money off the biggest scam artists the world has ever seen, namely, The Financial Gangsters of Wall Street and they do every thing in their power (and they have a lot of power) to stop you taking what they consider (the 401k money etc.) their money. Never, never underestimate the amount of tricks they have in their bag.
Some friends setup a virtual stock trading game on Marketwatch. It’s quite a bit of fun, but it removes my ability to dump on people who play fantasy sports.
The amusing thing is, my friends are overall bullish. One of them is working on a finance/econ degree, and thinks he’s the bomb. Another does decent in the stock market in real life, but is not a day trader. He owns a bunch of houses though, and always fights my housing market bubble stance. So I use my emo outlook on things to pick stocks and funds for the game, and I’m killing everyone. It’s quite a bit of fun, but I would never do the same with real money.
You can try buying put options. I usually buy put options (on homebuilders, retail SPDR and SP 500 SPDR) instead of outright shorting. Granted you pay a premium upfront but limits your downside (for example a surprise Fed cut or a capital injection) and if it goes below strike price, as good as shorting the stock itself (a buck for a buck).
I’d like to BS on Craigslist as a turn-key business for sale.
“New home orders increased in Northern California while the Southern California market saw sharp declines” ??
Northern California Where ?? I looked at the link and it did not say….Smells fishy to me….
Probably is Eureka. Nobody here seems to have gotten the memo that housing is down.
Northern California Where ?? I looked at the link and it did not say…
I think it’s largely BS. In Santa Clara, the big building where UL used to be was torn down and some sort of townhome development was slated to be built there. At this point in time, the demo units along Scott Blvd have been completed, but there’s nothing going on behind them on the land. Driveways and curbs are visible, along with lampposts, but there’s no construction activity whatsoever going on. There isn’t even any building materials stacked up anywhere, ready to be tapped.
After going to the Shea Homes website and poking around, I found this:
“In an email, he wrote that the new rule suggests that Fannie and Freddie anticipate ’significant price declines’ for homes.”
Not according to the NAR.
“Home price growth in the vast affordable midsection of America will help raise the national median existing-home price slightly in 2008. I then expect price appreciation to return to more normal patterns in 2009, perhaps rising one or two percentage points above the rate of inflation,” Yun said.
http://www.realtor.org/press_room/news_releases/2007/ehs_dec07_trend_up_2008.html
And what sound business or scientific observation is this increase based on? Every solid indicator there is shows prices falling - a lot!
“Raphael Bostic, associate director of USC’s Lusk Center for Real Estate, said fees hitting folks borrowing more than 70 percent of the value of a home seem rather ’strict’ and he would have expected the value to be set at 90 percent or more.”
I guess that would depend on how far housing prices are going to drop?
*sigh* I work here at USC and every time I hear one of the chuckleheads from the Lusk Center spout off their idiotic REIC-sponsored drivel it just pains me.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/sppd/lusk/membership/advisorycouncil.html
Oh, wait, would you look at that! Orangezilla is on their BOARD! Aiiiiii! A Balrog in our midst!
“‘Where the carrying value of assets is not expected to be recovered from future cash flows, they are written down to fair value,’ Canfor stated in a news release.”
Hey that sounds logical. Now if we apply the same reasoning to house values, using rents (cash or imputed) as the income, we get… uh oh.
Countrywide Concerns Mount
http://www.thestreet.com/s/countrywide-concerns-mount/newsanalysis/financial-services/10397823.html
It’s going to get ugly if BAC didn’t hedge thier 2 bil position.
Even better if their hedge put out the “Gone Fishing” sign.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/09/news/companies/bofa_countrywide.fortune/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote
Any tips for preventing the scroll bars? I suspect tinyurl would help, but didn’t know if there were other thoughts.
Embed your link in some text. Like this.
CFC has some nice assets. In the event of a CFC bankruptcy, BAC has dibs on purchasing the assets from the BK court. This assumes that BAC has any moneys. Once again shareholders get nothing. BAC is not a shareholder.
Countrywide total employment December 31, 2006 = 54,655
(From 2006 Annual Report)
from article December 31, 2007 = 50,600
A net loss of 4,000 jobs. Do not bury Caesar yet. Just a note of caution.
We come not to bury Caesar, but to appraise him.
“The federal bankruptcy schedule filings indicate McMahon owned 157 residential lots and 28 homes in Benton and Washington counties valued at $11.95 million. The outstanding loans on these properties total about $12.1 million.”
McMahonsions?
“Reuters, “Countrywide Financial Corp, the largest U.S. mortgage lender, said on Wednesday that foreclosures and late payments rose in December to the highest on record.”
-And their off! I noticed my ticker going from +14 or so to -27 in about 5 minutes…
The PPT has left the building…
Don’t bet on that.
Is that our triple-bottom? Or our bear?
So far it’s a TB. I’m sure there will be a retest within a week.
It’s 2:30 now. I have a hunch we will have a run up from here and wouldn’t be surprised to see us finish positive for the day. Still, the longterm trend is down.
Possibly move sideways for a few days to torment us?
15 minute run-up, back on our way down now.
And nevermind, just like that the market toys with me.
Triple-bottom it is.
I’ve seen this movie umpteen times since 1997
S & P just dipped below the support level of 1385 at 1:42 PM EST. It should be off to the races now…
Perpetual Motion Debt Machine…
“‘We are now seeing a second wave of bankruptcies, not unlike what happened a year ago when the market started its decline in July of 2006,’ said Kathy Deck, director for the Center for Business and Economic Research at the University of Arkansas’ Sam M. Walton School of Business.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22571349/?GT1=10755
“Hurricane Katrina’s victims have put a price tag on their suffering and it is staggering — including one plaintiff seeking the unlikely sum of $3 quadrillion. The total number — $3,014,170,389,176,410 — is the dollar figure so far sought from some 489,000 claims filed against the federal government over damage from the failure of levees and flood walls following the Aug. 29, 2005, hurricane.”
Sure… we’ll just add it on to the FB/Wall Street bailout tab!
“There’s no way on earth you can figure it out,” he said. “The trauma these people have undergone is unlike anything that has occurred in the history of our country.”
Maybe the Civil War?
I hear that the Revolutionary War was pretty traumatic. Especially if you were a Tory.
How about the Spanish Flu epidemic in 1918, when more than 500,000 people died just here in the U.S. That seems like it might have been a bit of a tight spot for people. Or, say, the Great Depression. Or my hangnail I suffered last night.
Subprime lending being of less evil somehow, vs. construction lending in Fla.?
“‘We did some construction lending in Florida’ and had a national wholesale mortgage business, buying mortgages originated by others as a way to grow that part of the business, said spokesman Arthur House. ‘None of this is subprime’ lending, he said.”
Just bad lending.
I just read that propaganda blurb on Realtor.com. I just shook my head with amazment.
Frankly, I think the NAR should be charged with criminal deception and I’m not kidding. This country really needs stronger laws to control realtors and mortgage brokers with stiff penalties which would include massive fines on the organizations and imprisonment for people like Yun and David Liar.
If that happened, we wouldn’t be experiencing the havoc we now see unfolding before our eyes and the pain it’s creating for individuals and families and the economy in general.
It’s way too easy to be a con-man in the USA. Look no further than the CEO’s on Wall Street for evidence. At this rate, investors all over the world will put the USA in the same column as Nigeria where, outside of oil, fraud and deception is the main industry and the oil revenues go to a very few insiders.
When you see all this crap hitting the fan, you realize what a joke the SEC has become - or maybe the SEC has always been in business to protect the big money and was always as corrupt as this. Some watchdog.
I can get on-board with that. Unfortunately though, I think you can claim anything at this point is “Free Speech” and protected. It’s to the point now where it’s just up to Joe Blow to do his research before doing anything (and hope the information he uncovers is accurate.)
Such a sad state of affairs we have let ourselves fall into. Where making money at any cost is more important that doing a good job or being knowledgable and trustworthy at that job. Sometimes human nature is so… disappointing.
I have thought for a long time, that over time there have been more laws, not less, regarding what you can say when/why/how, and that has led to the perception that if someone makes a claim (in print, tv, etc), it must be true.
Perhaps if we had fewer laws it would lead to a more suspicious population and a population less likely to be taken advantage of. I don’t have any evidence for this theory, it’s one of those things that if I were rich and didn’t have to work, I would probably spend some time and money investigating the issue.
Bank of America’s Countrywide trap
http://tinyurl.com/3yxlnj
NEW YORK (Fortune) — Late last summer, Bank of America and its deal-hungry chief Kenneth Lewis won kudos for a $2 billion investment in Countrywide Financial, the once high-flying mortgage lender hit hard by the housing slump.
In one stroke, Lewis erased his reputation as a serial over-payer with the kind of convertible preferred stock deal that arbitrage traders dream of. In exchange for its $2 billion, Bank of America secured the right to buy Countrywide (CFC, Fortune 500) stock at $18, a tidy 21 percent discount over the price at the time. Lewis, it seemed, had deftly locked in an instant $424 million profit for the bank.
Nobody’s congratulating Bank of America these days. As Countrywide shares tank and speculation mounts that the company will be forced into bankruptcy, the bank’s stake has plunged in value, to about $560 million. Now Bank of America faces a tough choice: It can buy Countrywide outright, pour even more money into the lender, or simply bide its time and hope for the best.
Ugh, and BofA is where I keep the lion’s share of my money.
A.P. Gianinni is probably spinning in his grave.
“Ugh, and BofA is where I keep the lion’s share of my money.”
I wouldn’t if I were you. A $27,000 cashiers check from Bank of America drawn from my funds bounced. Apparently, they had closed this particular account from which the funds were drawn. Even though they admitted the mistake, they still made me wait 90 days to get my money back. I left them promptly after that and hope that they fall.
The question is, what outfit would be a suitable replacement? Since I tend to travel far and wide as much as I can, I’d like a bank with wide coverage/familiarity.
I had started out with Wells Fartgo many moons ago, but bailed out on them in anger after they had instituted new fees to “bring them in line with other banks”, in their words. Once that was done, there was no point in staying with them as back then their ATM network wasn’t very spread out. BofA, on the other hand, had an ATM in Yosemite (the only one) and was the only bank branch (plus ATM) in Bridgeport, CA. That far-flung network (as it looked back then) is what sold me.
I bank at Schwab Bank, which is linked to my Schwab Brokerage account.
The bulk of my cash is in a muni-bond fund (but you can buy treasuries if you want), with a little liquidity in a sweep account to a more traditional MM account, and the interest bearing checking account is linked for easy transfers (FDIC, overdraft protection, etc.). ATM fees are reimbursed regardless of where you take out money. $7 fee in Vegas casino ATM? No problem, it’s covered.
$0 of my liquidity earns 0% interest. I think their checking pays something like 4%.
If you need lots of branches everywhere, this may not be the best choice, but if using an ATM is 90% of your banking, it could work.
P.S. My parents and brother both deposited some checks at traditional banks–10-day hold. I mailed my check, USPS snail mail (drawn on the same account) to Schwab. It was in the account and earning interest within 2-3 business days.
Sounds like Lewis made the purchase based on reading a Craigslist ad that said “buy a stake in my company - $424 million instant equity !!!” - with a similar result, as well.
(except, of course, in the real craigslist ad, there would be a typo/misspelling or two in the headline)
From Countrywide, “The delinquency rate rose to 7.20 percent of unpaid balances from 4.60 percent a year earlier”.
Do they mean the real delinquency rate, or the delinquency rate as they measure by the various documents they’ve fabricated!?
Man, I am never going anywhere near that firm for a mortgage.
I have a friend who did use them for a mortgage. She has a lot of not-so-nice things to say about them.
We used them for a refi. They at first refused to get me a copy of the docs the day before the signing, saying I could review them right before the signing. No way! So I finally said if no docs arrive, then we have to delay it. They sent them.
Then the next day, the title people they sent us to were frustrated that I compared the docs they sent me with the ones they presented me that morning to sign. “They’re all the same…”
Nope. They had tried to add in $400 in extra charges. #$!**&%! We were ready to walk out, and only a flurry of phone calls by their people to make that doc look like what they sent me saved the deal. (Since then, we’ve refi’d again with ING, sooooo much better and easier to work with, a very smooth transaction.)
We also had a problem once where they credited a payment of ours to the wrong account, easily fixed after 40 minutes on the phone.
That said, the majority of people I dealt with at Countrywide were decent and at least *tried* to be helpful. It’s just the ones in the bowels of the corporation that were a pain.
Nicely done. If more people did what you did (press for docs, review them, and actually compare the documents), they wouldn’t try this #&!* as much.
The only thing better would be to actually demand execution copies of the documents and whip those out at the closing to sign rather than any documents that they produce at the closing table.
“Mezger said the company’s customer mix was shifting. ‘We are definitely seeing a buyer viewing the home for lifestyle, intending to live in it for a while. The days of the flipper are gone,’ he said.”
What about that? People buying houses to live in them. Who’d have thunk it?
“In December…average daily mortgage loan applications fell 17 percent to $1.54 billion. Total lending fell 44 percent from $41.7 billion a year earlier, as subprime volume sank to $6 million from $3.74 billion.”
Subprime went from being 1 out of 9 Dollars lent by countrywide, to essentially ZERO Dollars lent, in the course of just one year.
That tells me they knew exactly how toxic the subprime swamp was, and probably did as well as any lender, in not taking on any more dodgy loans, the past 12 months.
And look where they are?
On the razor’s edge of viability.
“‘Let me be clear - this is an unusual economic situation and we cannot predict exactly what is going to happen,’ said Rosengren, an economist who studied the New England real estate crash in the early 1990s.”
Why study the RE history in 1990’s. Why not the 1930′SSSSSSSSSSSSSSS?