January 20, 2008

A Lot Of Correction Is Going On

The Independent Record reports from Montana. “Local real estate professionals say it’s a daily struggle to explain to buyers and sellers alike that the national downturn in housing hasn’t had a strong influence on the local market. By some measures the local housing market is indeed slowing; new home construction, in particular, slipped sharply last year around Helena. Fewer homes were sold in the Helena area last year than in 2006, and the ones that sold spent a little more time on the market, according to the Helena MLS.”

“Local brokers say a slowdown can be expected after a few years of double-digit price appreciation across the area.”

“‘We had a very strong year (in 2007) in spite of the fact that it was a step down from 2005 and 2006,’ said Mike Casey of the Trimac Group. ‘You can’t continue to grow (at those rates) and not take a breath. Real estate, like all markets, is a cycle. We’ve been in a high growth cycle and there’s still plenty of opportunity out there.’”

“‘Helena does not see the high highs, and we don’t see the low lows,’ said Drew Ahmann of Coldwell Banker Ahmann Brothers. Ahmann said one trend he sees is homes not being relisted.”

“‘When a listing expires, it goes off the market,’ he said. ‘It’s not coming back on with another real estate agent. We’re seeing a lot of sellers who, if they don’t have to sell, they’re not selling.’”

“The Helena MLS currently shows 737 homes for sale, including 557 in the greater Helena area. Some areas have more inventory than others — more than a third of the local listings are in the North Valley, East Valley and Central Valley regions.”

“Those three areas of the valley offer 190 listings. By comparison, the eight MLS areas that comprise most of the city of Helena have just 90 active listings among them.”

“‘If you want a brand new home in the North Valley or East Valley, between $300,000 and $400,000, you have some choices,’ Drew Ahmann said. ‘Other than that, not so much.’”

The Idaho Statesman. “The small West Ada city of Star is a concentrated microcosm of the Treasure Valley’s housing woes.”

“Star’s population since 2000 has more than doubled to 5,000 people, but the developers who came on like a fever a few years ago have slowed construction or stopped altogether, leaving a patchwork of new subdivisions suspended in various states of completion.”

“The boom and bust have left the city with unsold homes, half-built neighborhoods and even dangerous holes in the ground that developers abandoned without filling or covering.”

“Some people who bought homes they really couldn’t afford when home values were rising now are suffering. Ada and Canyon counties’ residential foreclosures for the month of November tripled from 2006 to 2007. New houses in Star sit empty for months on end.”

“On the south side of Idaho 44, development of the 574-home Heron River subdivision has slowed. Ten of 23 homes built have been sold, said Carlos Bendeck, Heron River’s assistant manager.”

“‘Much like every other community in the Valley, we had to reduce our prices anywhere between $30,000 to $55,000,’ Bendeck said via e-mail.”

“Meanwhile, the visual blight and safety issues at one northwest subdivision have outraged neighbors and city officials. ‘They made the neighborhood worse, not better,’ said Kristin Battey, who lives with her family in a 100-year-old fixer-upper farmhouse across from Orion Park. She laughs when she remembers how the developer told her: ‘We don’t build subdivisions. We build ‘communities.’”

“He tried to woo her with visions of tree canopies, walking pathways and equestrian trails. But that hasn’t happened. Now, Battey is angry that she’s left with a view of piles of dirt, rock and asphalt, as well as a minefield of uncovered manholes and stormwater vaults.”

“There are about 250 homes on the market in Star now, including 100 new homes that have never been occupied, according to the MLS. ‘A lot of what was built in 2005 and 2006 is still sitting there vacant,’ said Gary Smith, who lost his bid for City Council this past November by a single vote.”

“One of the themes of Smith’s campaign was ‘let’s finish what we started’ - meaning the city shouldn’t approve a slew of new subdivisions when so many new homes were going unsold.”

“Heidi Prigge, a real estate agent who lives in Star, said it is not just the quantity of homes in her city that’s the problem. It is also the quality. ‘When you build the same thing over and over and over again, nobody wants it,’ she said. ‘I think we’ve become Meridian. There’s so much supply, and there’s no demand.’”

“At this time last year, there were as many as 325 houses on the market, Smith said. He said investors bought homes in Star to ‘flip’ and make a quick profit.”

“Mayor Mitchell, a builder who got few jobs last year and said he had to tap his savings to feed his family says Star’s housing market is going through necessary price corrections and will rebound.”

“‘Where I see it most is in lot prices,’ he said. ‘There were 7,000 to 8,000 square-foot lots selling for $100,000. … Now, there are lots all over town at $50,000 to $70,000 that just aren’t selling. So your land basis is where a lot of correction is going on.’”

“Construction on infrastructure at Orion Park in northwest Star stopped so abruptly last year that no one covered open manholes or filled dirt around vaults in 10- to 12-foot deep holes at the site.”

“There’s not much the city can do about the piles of dirt, rocks and asphalt from a public road torn up to accommodate construction at the 379-home subdivision. ‘We were all up in arms when we saw the density. Now we’re dealing with an eyesore and hazard,’ said Brenda Weaver, who lives near Orion Park.”

“‘It seems disrespectful to leave prime agricultural land in a shambles,’ she said. ‘Why did they over-extend themselves?’”

The Lake Oswego Review from Oregon. “Feeling the pinch from the mortgage crisis and competition from other banks, the Lake Oswego branch of HomeStreet Bank will close March 28, after nine years of doing business.”

“West Coast Bancorp CEO Robert Sznewajs cited ‘dramatic slowing of the residential real estate market,’ which has led to defaults and damaged the Lake Oswego bank’s loan portfolio.”

“Floyd said HomeStreet ‘never became involved in the subprime lending’ market, which has hurt other lending institutions such as Washington Mutual and CitiBank.”

“‘We took a look at the subprime lending market and thought it might have been attractive in the short term,’ he said. ‘But we do our best to put people in the right kind of loan, that they can live with and pay off.’”

The Seattle Times from Washington. “The Kitsap County Consolidated Housing Authority, expects to see as many clients with mortgage problems this spring as it saw in all of 2007.”

“The housing slowdown is having a ripple effect that’s exacerbating the problem. On the Kitsap Peninsula, people who depend on the housing industry for work are seeing their hours cut, making it hard for them to meet their mortgage payments, reported housing counselor Marvelle Lahmeyer.”

“Additionally, the lack of home appreciation is preventing homeowners from building equity that could help them refinance out of problem mortgages, noted J. Lennox Scott, CEO and chairman of John L. Scott.”

“Ten of the 14 distressed homeowners Teresa Seeley tried to help last month will probably lose their homes to foreclosure anyway.”

“‘We don’t have enough follow-up because we don’t have enough time. We need more counselors,’ said Seeley, housing-counseling coordinator for Consumer Counseling Northwest in Pierce County.”

The Olympian from Washington. “Mortgage foreclosure notices rose nearly 52 percent in Thurston County last year, returning to levels they reached during the recession earlier in the decade, the county auditor’s records show. Notices of trustee sale rose 52 percent, from 435 in 2006 to 662 in 2007.”

“The easy mortgages of 2005 and 2006 allowed buyers to qualify at low introductory adjustable interest rates they knew would rise in a couple of years. In some cases, as rates have risen, the owners have been unable to keep up with payments, said Randy Luke, branch manager of Horizon Mortgage.”

“In addition, South Sound home sales have slowed as inventories have risen, making it harder for buyers to escape mortgages by selling their homes.”

“‘Either the value of their house wasn’t rising enough to allow them to refinance, or because of tightening credit, they couldn’t refinance,’ Luke said.”

“He said a perfect storm occurred that lenders did not anticipate: Rising home values leveled off and lenders made it harder to get a loan or in some cases went out of business.”

“Homeowners in trouble often can work out their problems if they address them early, as Paula Carey of Lacey learned. After renting for five years, Paula and her husband decided to buy a home before they were priced out of the market.”

“With no money for a down payment, the Careys qualified for a so-called ‘80/20′ mortgage, borrowing money for both the down payment and the cost of the home. Once they were approved for the loan, the Careys bought a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,600-square-foot house in Lacey.”

“But she and her husband eventually separated, and Paula was unable to afford the mortgage on her secretary’s salary. Soon she began receiving letters from her lender that she was behind in her mortgage payments, but one letter also offered her the chance to modify her loan.”

“In the end, the lender forgave what she owed on the first mortgage and rolled it into a future payment, she said. On the second mortgage, an adjustable rate mortgage, the lender lowered the interest rate to 8 percent from 12 percent and converted it to a fixed rate for 30 years, Carey said.”

“Luke and other South Sound lenders predict this will be another year of high foreclosure activity before victims of the liberal lending practices of the past work out their problems. ‘We’re only halfway through the cycle of people who got subprime loans in 2006,’ Luke said.”

“Ron Hanson, president and co-owner of Madrona Mortgage in Olympia, and other lenders are optimistic the market will rebound with refinancing opportunities as interest rates fall. Thurston County prices, though they have risen, remain lower than in King and Pierce counties, the lenders say.”

“The state economy must remain healthy, with continued low unemployment and job growth, to help correct the foreclosure problem, Hanson said.”

“‘The next two years could be rough unless a lot of new people move into the market,’ he said.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-01-20 11:02:17

‘The next two years could be rough unless a lot of new people move into the market,’ he said.’

Here’s why:

‘More than 4,000 homes sold in the county last year with parts of Lacey and Hawks Prairie recording 1,560 of those sales, the data show. The area is expected to include nearly 1,400 homes between about 1,000 in the Horizon Pointe development and 380 homes planned in the Summerwalk Village development, Walk said.’

‘Also in Hawks Prairie, the active-adult community Jubilee sold 81 more homes in 2007. Those numbers dropped 50 percent from the 161 units that sold in 2006. To date, 591 homes have been sold at Jubilee, and it is expected to have 1,170 homes by 2013, Bachman said.’

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-01-20 13:54:19

Ben, thanks for posting this article.

Driving by Horizon Pointe would make you barf uncontrollably. It always does me–that’s why I drive with my eyes shut over there.

 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-01-20 11:11:43

‘The next two years could be rough unless a lot of new people move into the market,’ he said.’

Keep believing in magic!

Comment by Neil
2008-01-20 11:45:50

thought:

18 to 24 months ago this blog was full of discussions with the quote:
“You only find out who’s swimming naked when the tide goes out.”

Are we not reading multiple articles daily that show that we’re in Buffet’s quote?

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
Comment by cayo_ron
2008-01-20 12:39:11

Don’t Stop Believing
Journey

Just a small town builder living in a crazy world
He took out a loan and built houses in the middle of nowhere.
Just a flipper born and raised without a brain
She took out a loan and bought a house in the middle of nowhere.

A lender and realtor in a smoky room
Making shady deals in the housing boom
For a pulse and a pen they can share the plight
It goes on and on and on and on.

Sellers, waiting, up and down the boulevard
Their HELOCs keeping them up at night
Streetblight people, living just to find a buyer
Buying somewhere near the height

Hardly working to pay the bills
Everybody just wants a shill
Paying anything to buy a house
Just one more time.

Some will win, most will lose
Some won’t even believe the news
Oh the bleeding never ends
It goes on and on and on and on.

Don’t stop believing
Hold on to that feeling
Streetblight people. . .

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-01-20 11:13:33

“‘If you want a brand new home in the North Valley or East Valley, between $300,000 and $400,000, you have some choices,’ Drew Ahmann said. ‘Other than that, not so much.’” MY choice would be to buy somewhere else until you guys choose to lower prices.

Comment by Groundhogday
2008-01-20 13:35:27

What these jokers neglect to mention is that it is in the middle of winter in Montana. In a normal year there is NO inventory on the market this time of year. A couple of months from now inventory will be exploding.

Comment by NotInMontana
2008-01-20 16:15:46

The Missoulian had a big splashy Open House spread today, like it was May 1 or something. I saw several open house signs out on my route today, and it’s 17 degrees, who wants to go looky-looing now?

I smell desperation.

 
Comment by Duane Lapinski
2008-01-20 16:24:53

I keep seeing stories in the Montana news media about how there is no sub-prime problem in Montana. These stories usally quote some local banker saying how there are very few sub-prime or ARM in the state. But this doesn’t jive with what I see at the Clerk and Recorders office.

Most of the large sub-prime lender have been active here. You will find 2 or 3 ARM for every fixed rate. It’s like the the local bankers don’t know what Wells Fargo or other big banks are doing, or what mortgage brokers are doing.

I think there is a perfound misunderstanding in the difference between what is going on in California and Florida, and what is occuring in Montana. There are no large home buildres in Montana, only small builders.

A lot of these builders are borrowing money from sub-prime lenders. If they can’t sell right away they refinace with another lender. A lot of these new building permits are just attempts to get new financing to pay off old loans. By doing this it looks like loans have been payed off even though the debt is still there. The defaults happen only when the builder can’t get refinanced.

Every lien I worked on has some variation of of this. The problems are there, it’s just showing up as growing inventory and not defalting loans, yet.

In other states this was happening with home owners, as large builders could arrange financing for them, here it’s the builders that are taking the risk.

 
 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-01-20 11:16:31

Why the rest of you are screwed and we’re not (hugs & kisses from Silicon Valley)
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8025763

Comment by flatffplan
2008-01-20 11:31:57

doesn’t ,er didn’t the financial industry use lots of silicone ?

 
Comment by scdave
2008-01-20 11:52:54

The quote regarding housing is quite accurate at this point in time….Not sure about the rest of the article…Their is a definite sense of a economic slowdown either in reality or psychologically..

Comment by Mo Money
2008-01-20 12:43:52

You don’t think this area relied on Home Equity Loans to keep buying stuff ? Plenty of housing was put up on very questionable parcels of land, I don’t see those retaining value at all.

 
 
Comment by Neil
2008-01-20 11:52:54

I disagree with the statement that wages will keep going up.

During the start of this downturn, companies will invest in IT infrastructure to cut costs. That will help silicon valley. Now where will they get that IT…

I know one of our fellow bears just jumped ship to Silicon Valley from a cruise line’s IT department; I expect travel to be cutting their IT budget except at the largest of the airlines. Obviously Realtors ™ and mortgage brokers are cutting IT left and right. Oh, the survivors will be IT heavy, but there just won’t be many of them.

And then… companies will run out of cash to invest.

Its not different anywhere this time. Its only different in how far behind San Diego each region lags. Cest la vie.

Got popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Dodge
2008-01-20 12:11:58

test

 
Comment by calex
2008-01-20 12:24:52

This happens every cycle,
1. Fire the inhouse IT staff to save money
2. Hire contract staff to keep everything going
3. A year later they find out the contract staff only does minimal to keep IT going and if company wants better and/or new it will cost them twice as much as had they kept original staff
4. Company still needs savings for bottom line so they just keep it going at minimum efficiency with no upgrades
5. Eventually company has no choice and it cost company twice as much to get contract company to upgrade the systems
6. Head clown is fired because now the bottom line sucks
7. New head clown fires contract company and hires IT staff to save money.

IT workers will have a job, but they will be switching from W2 to 1099 and back to W2 before this is over.

 
 
Comment by WaitingForREO
2008-01-20 13:19:11

“… we’re still looking at a shortage of candidates and a plethora of openings,” said Tim Thompson of Spherion, a technology and engineering staffing service”

I’ve heard this Bay area mantra for years. However, the tech firm where I’ve been working the past 5+ years receives 50 applicants for every job posting. In our case, “candidate” = young (mid-20’s), low entry salary (65% of 2001 median), highly educated (advanced degrees from China, India or Eastern European university), willing to work 70 hours a week and travel to Taiwan, Korea, Japan or China for two weeks out of every 5. Not even going to get into the “continued income growth” assertion - suffice to say, there hasn’t been real income growth for at least 7 years and will not be in the future due to structural changes in the international labor market.

The Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research and other economic “projection” groups appear to be nothing more than cheerleaders for regional political\business interests. In regards to objectivity, they’re nearly as bad as REIC IMO.

ok - back to the football game.

 
Comment by AnnScott
2008-01-20 13:26:28

Ever hear of outsourcing and people in India who will work for less than you?

Ever hear of the jumboe mortagages? The ones where 50-66% of them since ‘03 have a variety of interest-only? The ones that are going to reset and blow up and cause foreclosures and short sales?

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-01-20 11:57:11

‘Good friends of mine tried to sell their ranch-style house in Hazel Dell all last summer with no luck, even through they put in a new sidewalk and driveway and kept it looking tidy. By November, they’d pulled the three-bedroom two-bath with a nice backyard off the market. Now they’re going to try again.’

“Why does all the news about housing, about real estate and the economy have to be so bad,” my friend recently asked over a cup of coffee. “We’d like to sell this house, we don’t see home values coming down, and we don’t think we should have to lower our price. Things are better here than the media (as she looked pointedly at me) are saying.”

‘Pausing to gather my thoughts, I told her that things are better in the Portland-Vancouver area than in many places around the U.S. Our underlying economy is slowing, but still generating jobs at twice the national rate. While home values have dropped more than 10 percent in places such as Las Vegas and California, they so far appear to be steady in most price categories here.’

‘In general, home values in Clark County are down about 3 percent from a year ago as measured by the median price of houses sold in December. But, I said, that’s a little misleading since only 406 houses sold last month. That’s about half the number that were selling a couple of years. Buyers, I said, are scarce, sitting on their hands waiting for lower mortgage rates. Meanwhile, the number of new listings coming to the market has not changed (In Clark County, more than 14,000 homes in 2007).’

‘That means the Hazel Dell house with an attractive price in the lower $200,000s is competing with a huge amount of for-sale inventory (nearly 4,000 houses).’

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-01-20 12:09:37

“we don’t see home values coming down, and we don’t think we should have to lower our price.”

Right.

Well then, hey-ho, hey-ho, in goes a JT so!

Comment by kpom
2008-01-20 12:20:54

Ben missed the money quote:

“Is this a good time to buy a house in Clark County?

Absolutely.”

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-01-20 12:23:58

I have to leave you guys something to find!

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Comment by kpom
2008-01-20 12:40:48

I’ll note that Clark County has more than a year of inventory - nevertheless, it’s a great time to buy!

 
 
 
 
Comment by AnnScott
2008-01-20 13:24:34

RIghtttttt….. just wait until all those jumbo interest-only laons of 3 different varieties start to reset between ‘08 and ‘11.

http://www.ofheo.gov/media/research/MMNOTE11108.pdf

http://www.ofheo.gov/media/WorkingPapers/workingpaper071.pdf

“I shouldn’t have to”?? Oh give it a rest. It is only worth what someone will pay and if this nitwit wants to sit and wait for the “damn fool” who will pay more than anyone else, have at it.

Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-01-20 14:54:31

Of all Jumbos originated 2003-2005 about 30% are regular ARMs, 30% are I/O ARMs, and 8% are pay-option ARMs. The average contract interest rate appears to be 4%.

You’re right; fun begins in the high-end areas this year. The only mitigating factor is that LTVs averaged from 67% for refi’s to 77% for purchases. Those that didn’t maximize their borrowing should be able to refinance if they can afford a fixed rate of 6.5%. The rest all become losses for the securities holders (foreclosures and short sales).

Comment by Paul in Jax
2008-01-20 15:25:33

There is another mitigating factor - many if not most of these I/O ARMS will be for voided contracts as they will already be repos before the resets.

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Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-01-20 12:13:28

I couldn’t let me comments on this idiot go buried the bottom. From yesterday’s CA thread.

Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-01-19 22:05:36
He’s cut his staff by about 40% to less than 100 workers. Hoaglund also has cut his advertising budget in half.”

“Lenox recently foreclosed on a Moreno Valley home for which the borrower didn’t even make the first payment. The house that initially sold for $460,000 has been declining in value and was last listed at $250,000, he said. After paying real estate agent fees, the house could bring a loss of about $150,000, he said.”

And who says there is no justice for this ‘biggest no brainer in the history of mankind’ clown. hope the storm takes him out and we don’t have to hear his dumbass voice anymore.

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Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-01-19 22:27:28
“‘We’re hoping to make it through the storm,’ Hoaglund said.”

I hope a

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-01-20 12:25:14

Gasp, stop!!!

You are killing me. I can’t breathe.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-01-20 12:31:32

“‘We don’t have enough follow-up because we don’t have enough time. We need more counselors,’ said Seeley, housing-counseling coordinator for Consumer Counseling Northwest in Pierce County.”

Ben, I do believe the HBB is admirably suited to supply tough-love counseling to these FBs. Can you approach them with a proposed outreach program pairing the likes of TxChick and NYCityBoy to trout-slap Selly’s FB caseload down the road to fiscal and personal responsibility?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-01-20 12:35:55

Easier to pass a camel through a needle (or whatever that metaphor is.)

Have you ever tried to do this?

There will be tears, and a whole lot of irrelevant moanin’ and groanin’ and glasses of wine, and more tears.

Did I mention tears?

Next day, they will be back to square one, and your trout-slappin’ arm will be sore.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-01-20 12:38:22

That would be a hoot. The HBB Foreclosure Counceling Service. We could put the thing on a live stream online, with unknowing FBs doing a tell-all.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-01-20 13:22:11

While we’re at it, we could reach a similar agreement with the SDCIA. Picture this: a live online feed between flopped flippers, who get the princely sum of oh, say, $5 an hour to participate and air their tale of woe, and HBBers who dial in attempting to outdo eachother in trout-slapping said penitent. If we could occasionally reel in a real live troll or the last of the bubble-believers, that would be even better. For sheer entertainment value, it would be hard to beat.

 
 
 
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Comment by aladinsane
2008-01-20 14:44:16

Wow…

The biggest little housing bubble

 
 
Comment by aqius
2008-01-20 13:24:50

most of these Fb’rs will never willingly change their desire to get something for nothing. they always look for shortcuts to success. perfect example is my parents in law; over the years they tell us about the latest gimmick that is a sure fire way to lose weight, get in shape, etc, etc.

latest snake oil medicine is something called ‘ THIEVES ‘ , a small bottle of some oil like product that is supposed to cure what ails ya. making the rounds of the LDS community like wildfire. uhhh, errr , sure , ok .. no use starting argument by trying to rationally discuss its properties, some people just WILL NOT consider any other point of view until the trout leaves that USFG Dept imprint across their face. Lordy !

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-01-20 13:29:53

LOL. My FiL got involved in a multi-level marketing scheme for something called Mela-luca (or some such thing). Among other products was this supposed miracle ointment that you could apply to burns, itches, etc. to promote relief/healing. About 15 minutes into my FiL’s indeterminable pitch for this stuff, I noticed my dog dragging his backside along the ground, as mutts do when something is bothering them “back there.” I told my FiL to put some of his ointment on my dog’s ass so we could see if it worked - that pretty much stopped the sales pitch cold.

Comment by calex
2008-01-20 13:56:15

Amazing how people are so desperate to keep up with the Jones that they will try to con their own relatives. My Uncle was like that… refused to get a real job but always had some scheme to make money. That is until my Aunt finally dumped his worthless a$$ and now he is working a real job.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-01-20 14:54:52

My cousin married a guy like this. After a few schemes to get money from the family (future inheritances), they were both booted. Sad to see a family member brainwashed, but she was warned over and over to no avail…

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Comment by NotInMontana
2008-01-20 16:26:40

Got a stepson who was into some multilevel thing. I said to hubby, don’t even ask me to go to a pitch. Anyway, every time he talked to his dad, it was “it’s going great guns!” Same wording, every time. Then nothing. I finally figured out that part of the pitch that got them into selling was “tell everyone it’s ‘going great guns!’” whenever they ask.

I’ve never been happier to be a negative sort.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Duane Lapinski
2008-01-20 14:50:19

About the Article in the Helena Independent (an oximoron for a Montana newspaper). Where are the jobs in Helena to suport the payments on a $300,000 or $400,000 home or even a $200.000 home. Helena’s main employer is the state goverment, and its not exactly high dollar employment.

In a story where most of the facts and figure show a downward trend, the “real estate professionals” have to put a positive spin on it. What is the truth the “real estate professionals” don’t what the general public to know? That there are a bunch of custom homes in the valley that are not selling, because buiders can’t lower the price because of their debt load. What about the bankers, they don’t want the public to know how much bad debt is on their books?

Also the trendy areas of the state, Kalispell, Missoula, Bozeman, construction is down, while construction is up a bit in Billings, which is the only city in the state which you can get decent job outside real estate or construction.

The real shocker is Great Falls, up almost 20%. Great Fall is a dump, it is the meth capital of Montana, and Indian poverty (Hill 57), it’s place were you live because you are from there or you have a job there. The movie “Thunderbolt and Lightfoot” was filmed in the 1970’s there. The movie’s portrayal of Great Falls as sleazy was true then, and is still true. When there is a housing boom in Great Falls, something is really out of wack.

Comment by Paul in Jax
2008-01-20 15:33:58

Thanks - I always like hearing about Montana. Has good bars and no sales tax, two excellent features. People there are pretty hip.

 
Comment by Tango in Uniform
2008-01-20 15:37:04

Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but Montana seems to be one of the last states to crack. It just keeps going! There are no obvious signs that the downturn has hit here (i.e., significantly lower prices).

Local REIC takes this to mean that Montana is the only invincible state in the union. We’re that awesome!

But the signs of (potential) trouble are there if you look closer. I’ve made videos about some of these, and will hopefully resume these in the summer.

It doesn’t help that Montana is a non-disclosure state for sale prices. Want to know what the comps are? Want to know if prices are rising or falling? Well, my good friend, you’ll have to talk to your friendly local Realtor because they have a lock on the MLS.

One story I’m watching (and will report on when I get a chance) is about a California woman who bought 3 houses in Billings and recently lost them all to foreclosure! So much for rich out-of-staters saving us.

The number of Notices of Trustee’s Sales in Billings was higher in 2007 than any year for which stats are available online (going back 11 years).

Anecdote: Financially prudent friend who bought his house in 2002 is trying to sell for ~60% more than he paid. Got an offer for $15k under, didn’t accept it and buyer wouldn’t answer his counter. He was under contract for a different house, contingent on him selling his current one. Contract was about to expire, so he closed on the newer one anyway and is now carrying two mortgages. Lots of open house attendees, but no more offers in sight. I know he could sleep a lot better at night by getting rid of the thing, but apparently simply “lowering the price” is harder than it sounds. Or maybe he simply bought a little too much house in the newer one.

Comment by NotInMontana
2008-01-20 16:30:26

Yes, do start up your video tapes again! I’m convinced the fun is finally about to begin. Things are definitely at a standstill in Missoula. Lots of projects in the pipeline, and if they’re smart they’ll walk away from them.

 
Comment by cayo_ron
2008-01-20 16:44:49

Financially prudent???

 
Comment by Duane Lapinski
2008-01-20 16:48:05

In Gallitan Country between 1990 to 1998 there were two, that’s right two, Notices of Trustee’s sales. In 1999 it shot up to eleven, just as a recession was starting. Last year I think it was 160 or so, I will check Monday. This large number was durring a “boom year”. It is apparent the market has become far more risky.

Our local paper, the Cover-up ran story, similar to a story in the Gazett a week before, were they quoted some mortgage broker saying this was normal. Like it’s normal for people to risk lossing their property.

 
Comment by Dynastar
2008-01-20 16:53:43

Yea, what the heck is up with no sales numbers disclosure? How do appraisers come up with a number out here when they can’t find out how much things have sold for? Seems really stupid.

Comment by Duane Lapinski
2008-01-20 17:00:51

The way around this is to check the mortgage on file at Clerk and Recorders Office. At least you will get some idea what the amount of the loan was.

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Comment by Paul in Jax
2008-01-20 17:31:25

I like it. Very American. What I sell something to somebody for is nobody’s business, unless there is a third party (lienholder) involved.

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