A Little Wishful Thinking
The Capital Times reports from Wisconsin. “Mortgage foreclosures in Dane County leapt nearly 80 percent in 2007, matching the national increase as the local housing boom went bust and risky loans went sour. Stella Morris and her family lost a west side condominium, last fall after the interest rate on their adjustable rate mortgage reset at a level they could not afford.”
“The increase in the interest rate, and monthly payment, for the couple’s adjustable rate mortgage came right when the condominium association raised its assessment rates and the family had some medical bills.”
“‘The last raise was $800 a month more. We just couldn’t swing it,’ she said. Beyond that was the back money owed on the mortgage, $27,000 at one point, said Morris, a stay-at-home mother of one whose husband is a computer consultant.”
“Morris said she earned extra money cleaning houses and walking dogs and held a garage sale to try to raise enough to bring the loan up to date. The couple eventually approached family and friends for loans. ‘We called everybody we knew, we couldn’t come up with that kind of money,’ Morris said.”
“Looking back, Morris said she wishes it had not been so easy to get a loan that proved too much to handle. ‘I think we went over our heads and they allowed it,’ Morris said. ‘I didn’t go to financial classes — I don’t know any of this stuff.’”
“Morris says she and her husband will spend the next year or two reestablishing their credit rate, so they can eventually buy a house or condominium again. ‘We’ll get through it,’ she said. ‘I think we’ll do a fixed rate this time, unless we get extremely disciplined and have a larger down payment,’ she said.”
“There’s more houses being foreclosed on, but for most of them, so much of the mortgage loan is outstanding that it makes little sense for anyone but the lender to buy them, said Janice Haak, who calls herself ‘the queen of foreclosures.’ At four recent auctions, nearly all of the properties for sale drew a single bidder: the lender.”
“Real estate agent Victor Villacrez said over the past few years he has seen an influx of Latino homeowners desperate to sell after falling behind in mortgage payments. ‘A lot of my clients don’t understand what they signed. A lot of English-speaking individuals have a hard time with the fine print on a mortgage,’ Villacrez said.”
“Villacrez said he works with the lenders to accept a ’short sale.’ ‘Probably 90 percent of my Hispanic clients looking to sell are in that position,’ he said.”
“The bungled home purchase will likely wipe out equity a client has been able to build and with it, the start of building ‘wealth.’”
“‘A lot of Latinos took the risk of going into home ownership because they want to a secure financial future for their families,’ he said. ‘That dream is gone.’”
The Post Crescent from Wisconsin. “In the greater Fox Cities area, housing starts were down about 9 percent in 2007 when compared with 2006. The Valley Home Builders Association recorded 898 housing starts in 2007, down from 986 in 2006. Housing starts for the organization, going back to 2001, peaked in 2003 when 1,796 were logged.”
“Christine Shaefer, executive vice president for VHBA, said Wisconsin did experience a building boom between 2001 and 2005.”
“‘That kind of pace was just unsustainable,’ she said. ‘Because the buying pace was so high, it increased the number of speculative homes that were built and in that economy it was feasible to build because new development was attractive to a lot of people.’”
The Journal Sentinel from Wisconsin. “The owner of a large Milwaukee condominium project, facing major construction cost overruns and mounting debts, has filed for receivership - effectively ending its control of the development.”
“According to the filing, First Place owes nearly $59 million to a group of lenders and investors that helped finance the development of 115 condominiums overlooking the confluence of the Milwaukee and Menomonee rivers.”
“First Place on the River has been hailed as a major part of the downtown condo boom. But the development has had problems, including the firing of its original construction management firm.”
The Chicago Tribune from Illinois. “Another batch of dismal housing data hit the economy Tuesday, including worsening foreclosure rates at a time when recession fears are growing.”
“‘We’re still in the middle of all this,’ said Bob Walters, chief economist for Quicken Home Loans in Livonia, Mich. ‘I would expect the data to get worse before it gets better.’”
“A 20-city index tracked by Standard & Poor’s study found Chicago-area prices in November were 3.9 percent lower than the year before.”
“‘Six months ago, people were saying we will see prices hit rock bottom, and now I don’t think we’re seeing even the most optimistic people saying that,’ said Geoff Smith, VP of the Woodstock Institute in Chicago, which has studied foreclosure trends.”
“Larry Shaw said he isn’t seeing renewal in his South Side neighborhood: He’s seeing ‘For sale’ signs. ‘There are a lot of people in trouble,’ Shaw said. ‘I go down 87th Street and I see homes for sale. People are trying to sell their houses because they can’t afford it.’”
“Shaw said he fell four months behind in his mortgage last year after his loan rate jumped to 12.1 percent from 7.8 percent. He thought he had taken out a fixed-rate mortgage three years earlier.”
“Believing he had been deceived by his lender, he worked with a grass-roots organization that fights predatory lending, to pressure his lender to restructure the loan. Now he has a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage at 7 percent, he said.”
“‘I think the government should step in and try to protect some of these homeowners from getting caught with predatory loans,’ Shaw said.”
“But J. Edward Katz, a business professor at Penn State University, said he doubted that government interventions could have broad effect. ‘I think we’re just going to have to let the market play out,’ Katz said. ‘The proposals may be in the right direction, in part. But they’re too little, and I think the situation has deteriorated too far.’”
“Smith said that if there’s any room for encouragement in the dreary data, it is that the decline in property values will make homes more affordable and pull buyers back into the market.”
“‘If you see property values coming back down to earth, that’s where you’re going to see a recovery, in affordability,’ he said.”
The Post Dispatch from Missouri. “The good old days for Bill Taylor, of Taylor-Morley Homes, were a mere two years ago. Sales were double what they are today, and his 150-person staff was three times larger.”
“To keep the company afloat, Taylor-Morley has sold off hundreds of undeveloped home sites. And while some of his competitors try to put a positive spin on one of the worst downturns in the home building industry, Taylor knows he’s not alone.”
“‘There’s hordes of people being laid off from other large companies,’ said Taylor, CEO of the Creve Coeur-based company.”
“Slower sales have meant growing volumes of unsold homes on the market. According to Zanola Co., as of November 2007, the St. Louis market had an inventory of 9,064 homes. And 3,143 of those were not sold, the highest rate of unsold new homes in at least 10 years.”
“‘Typically it is prudent to have two to three years of (land) inventory, but because the market was so strong, builders started pipelining four to five years of inventory,’ Taylor said.”
“‘Buyers have the advantage right now, so they are getting incentives where it counts,’ said Matt Belcher, president of Kirkwood-based Belcher Homes. ‘Besides sales incentives, they are also getting financial incentives. I know of builders that are selling inventory homes at right around break-even prices.’”
“Many are counting on lower interest rates to help boost the sluggish market. ‘Maybe it’s a little wishful thinking, but … between that and the prices, it is a great time to buy, and buyers may be ready to move,’ Belcher said.”
The Journal Gazette from Indiana. “Allen County foreclosure filings have almost tripled since 2005, according to a real estate tracking company.”
“Coldwell Banker Roth Wehrly Graber sold about 1,500 foreclosed homes in northeast Indiana last year, said John Bellio, president of sales. Many homeowners who fell behind on their payments made no down payment to buy their houses and then later refinanced to pay off other debts, Bellio said. These owners wound up owing more than their homes were worth.”
“Adjustable-rate mortgages and other unconventional loans ‘were enticing people to get in over their heads,’ said David Ruoff, president of Fort Wayne-based Ruoff Mortgage Co.”
“Many buyers were counting on their homes rising in value, Ruoff said. But property appreciation did not keep pace with their expectations.”
“When borrowers default on their loans, Bellio said, banks try to sell those homes quickly and often at a loss. That can drag down the sale prices of neighboring homes, which must compete to attract a buyer, he said.”
“That can help buyers who want to buy larger, more expensive houses, Bellio said. Even if they lose money selling their current home, buyers can make up for it when they buy their new house at a bargain price. Interest rates below 6 percent make purchases even more attractive, Bellio said.”
“‘It is absolutely a perfect, perfect storm for buying up,’ he said.”
The Enquirer from Ohio. “Kenwood developer Robert C. Rhein Interests Inc. said Friday it is dropping plans for one of the largest single-family housing developments in Liberty Township along LeSourdsville-West Chester Road.”
“And in another sign of the new housing slowdown, Atlanta-based builder Beazer Homes said Friday it will exit the Cincinnati-Dayton market and four other cities in the face of the weak new home market.”
“Rhein planned up to 269 single-family homes starting above $300,000 on the 140-acre site. The project, to be named Glenview Ridge, also called for up to 48 condominium units.”
“Alex Tarasenko, Rhein’s senior VP, said there’s too much new housing on the market in Liberty Township, one of the area’s hottest building markets. It’s not an unusual situation, he said, for strong markets to be caught with too much inventory when things slow down.”
“He said Rhein’s other developments in Mason and Deerfield Township are doing well and it is pursing new projects. ‘We see signs things are improving, but we want to be prudent,’ he said.”
“For example, he said, Rhein is developing an 85-acre site near Keehner Park in West Chester Township for up to 120 single-family homes starting around $500,000.”
‘The bungled home purchase will likely wipe out equity a client has been able to build and with it, the start of building ‘wealth.’ ‘A lot of Latinos took the risk of going into home ownership because they want to a secure financial future for their families,’ he said. ‘That dream is gone.’
I hope that one of the things that eventually comes out of this is the destruction of the ‘homeownership will make you rich’ myth that we still see. At full financing, you buy the banker two houses for the one paid off.
Also, the lady with the medical bills; there is always something popping up in life. They borrowed too much. And notice she’s ready to get right back on the horse.
It seems the MSM has switched blame from the people to the banks. It’s all “preditory lending” and the bubble buyers are all victims. Now they know they did nothing wrong and will be ready to jump back in as soon as someone will loan them too much money for an overpriced house.
“‘I think we went over our heads and they allowed it,’ Morris said. ‘I didn’t go to financial classes — I don’t know any of this stuff.’”
“Morris says she and her husband will spend the next year or two reestablishing their credit rate, so they can eventually buy a house or condominium again. ‘We’ll get through it,’ she said. ‘I think we’ll do a fixed rate this time, unless we get extremely disciplined and have a larger down payment,’ she said.””
Some people’s skulls are so thick that even classes at the University of Joshua can’t teach them a single thing.
“It seems the MSM has switched blame from the people to the banks.”
That’ll never do. The banks are gonna have to increase their ad revenue and get the blame swung back.
“revenue” should be “expenditures”
I am as critical of lending as anyone, but it has gotten to where no proof is needed. Say you didn’t understand and you were taken advantage of. It’s probably the political cycle, along with the lazy gutlessness of reporters.
“the lazy gutlessness of reporters.”
Exactly. The Jayson Blair syndrome. Reporters are victims, too, you know.
Print reporters know that their days are numbered, so I think they’ve been on cruise control, barely making an effort.
And it shows…
According to Sam Kinison, Jessica Hahn claims she was a victim.
(OT - Alad - I answered your NZ question on yesterday’s thread - time zone problem in responding.)
Common sense is now uncommon sense.
Why do we always see print about the poor homeowner that is losing his or her house? I have been researching foreclosures in the Inland Empire area of Southern California and am shocked. It seems that most of the foreclosures and short sales have 2nds and 3rds on the house and the owner is leaving with cahs in his pocket. I believe in alot of cases the (poor homeowner) is starting to believe the Government owes them anything they can get. 12 free months in the house while the bank forecloses (maybe more if Hillary has her way) and anything they can get from the house on an equity line of credit before they leave. I even know of some that have taken loans, and bough a new house only to let the other go. I see this alot.
Don’t worry about Hillary having her way. There is change in the air!
‘A lot of my clients don’t understand what they signed. A lot of English-speaking individuals have a hard time with the fine print on a mortgage,’ Villacrez said.”
This is a national phenomenon. All across the country, no matter their background, hundreds of thousands of Americans and others had no idea what the word “adjustable” meant. They can “adjust” the settings on their TV, they can “adjust” their thinking to dreams of getting rich without working, but but the word “adjustable” on a mortgage doc, and they all have systemic memory loss.
So, throw the keys on the roof, clean up their trashed credit in a year or two, and do it again…now that they’ve had a vocabulary lesson.
OK fine. But those who walk away from their mortgages should lose their right to vote, just like convicts. They have done massive damage to the country, greater than any terrorist, and are in no way able to contribute to or participate responsibly in the democratic process.
I agree.
But instead we’re all supposed to throw a national pity party for them.
I’m so tired of hearing the “no speaka” excuse. I’m the first one in my family born in the USA. My grandparents, parents, uncles, cousins, everyone who had Italian as their first language was able to buy and sell property without being foreclosed. And without agreeing to impossible loan terms.
“Coldwell Banker Roth Wehrly Graber sold about 1,500 foreclosed homes in northeast Indiana last year, said John Bellio, president of sales. Many homeowners who fell behind on their payments made no down payment to buy their houses and then later refinanced to pay off other debts, Bellio said. These owners wound up owing more than their homes were worth.”
One would assume that the “1,500 foreclosed homes” that Graber “sold”, all went back from whence they came, to the unfortunate financial institution bagholders…
“For example, he said, Rhein is developing an 85-acre site near Keehner Park in West Chester Township for up to 120 single-family homes starting around $500,000.”
Ohio! Ohio! Ohio!
Now we know where the boomers will retire en masse.
“Real estate agent Victor Villacrez said over the past few years he has seen an influx of Latino homeowners desperate to sell after falling behind in mortgage payments. ‘A lot of my clients don’t understand what they signed. A lot of English-speaking individuals have a hard time with the fine print on a mortgage,’ Villacrez said.”
Yeah, people have a hard time with the “fine print” because they don’t read it. If you can’t or don’t want to read it, don’t sign, I don’t care what your culture is. Maybe people should have to pass some sort of literacy test before they sign mortgage paperwork.
Speaking of which, I wonder what the mortgage market will look like a year from now. This may sound a little over-philosophical for a Saturday AM, but has anyone noticed that when organizations try to “solve” a problem, they almost never go back to doing what worked successfully in the first place? Nope, just more Rube Goldberg contraptions to fix the prior Rube Goldberg contraption until they just give up and decide that the business isn’t worth it, when at one time it was successful.
I can’t even believe what I read here sometimes. I’m on my pastor’s computer at church and swearing at the lady in the first story at the same time. Where does one start???
“Morris said she earned extra money cleaning houses and walking dogs and held a GARAGE SALE to try to raise enough to bring the loan up to date.
A garage sale?? To make up $27,000??? How many damn toys do you have???
“The couple eventually approached family and friends for loans. ‘We called everybody we knew, we couldn’t come up with that kind of money,’ Morris said.”
No shame here.
“Looking back, Morris said she wishes it had not been so easy to get a loan that proved too much to handle. ‘I think we went over our heads and they allowed it,’ Morris said. ‘I didn’t go to financial classes — I don’t know any of this stuff.’”
Then why in God’s name are you buying a house and signing a mortgage for six figures??? And “they” allowed it???? Who allowed the signature on the dotted line with your name on it?? I’m all for stay at home moms when a couple can afford it, but this one gives them all a bad name.
‘We’ll get through it,’ she said. ‘I think we’ll do a fixed rate this time, unless we get extremely disciplined and have a larger down payment,’ she said.”
Good luck with that discipline, missy. You’ve sure proven that. I’m sure your dog walking and house cleaning will more than cover that “large” downpayment.
And where’s the hubby in all this???
Ok, I’m done now.
Blano, don’t cuss too loud, your pastor will come in and read what you’re reading and you’ll both get 86ed.
“For example, he said, Rhein is developing an 85-acre site near Keehner Park in West Chester Township for up to 120 single-family homes starting around $500,000.”
STARTING at half a mil in Ohio????????? OK, I’m not saying there aren’t some well off folks in Ohio, despite its troubles, but this project sounds like hubris to me.
“STARTING at half a mil in Ohio?????????”
If you build it they will come state income, over-leverage, HELOC, flop, default, abandon and leave the keys. They might try to grow some hydroponic weed in the garage as well.
Ah, the fields of many dreams.
If you build it, it’ll sit unsold.
Hey, Muggy, watching the local Fla political punditry show on PBS last night, it would appear that local govs are pitting their shants over the loss of income as a result of declining property values combined with the new “tax reform”. I say, good on ‘em. Local govs all over the country participated in this bubble big time, allowed rampant over-development, illegal labor, refused to investigate mortgage fraud while basing tax assessments on fraudulent transactions, etc.
I’ve wondered why more local DA’s aren’t going after the fraud, both seemingly rampant and easy to prove. Could it be that so many are heavily dependent on developers to fund their campaigns?
Living in Ohio, I can tell you there’s a lot of people that can afford a $500k mortgage, and in each big city there are developers that have been putting up McMansion developments that look out of place. “Regular” housing areas (middle class suburbs, outside the inner cities and not part of the new developments) have been somewhat less affected by the bubble than hot areas around the country. Still an uptick in foreclosures due to the lack of lending standards, but not a huge swing in prices (during the bubble, prices in most of Ohio’s “regular” suburbs remained flat or increased a few percent a year, nothing like So. Cal., Florida, etc.)
“I can tell you there’s a lot of people that can afford a $500k mortgage, and in each big city there are developers that have been putting up McMansion developments that look out of place.”
If I could afford a $500,000 mortgage, I wouldn’t want to live in one of those developments you mention. But that’s just me.
I think a lot of Ohioans agree - the developers here seem to have had problems moving the McMansions. I know a bunch of people that could swing a $500k note without overextending, but almost all are happy to live in a normal suburb (think safe, reasonably good schools, 4 bedroom brick colonial built well in the 40’s or 50’s, in the $175k - $225k range)
In Ohio, you definitely get more home for the money and it hasn’t been affected as much as other states by the bubble frenzy. Being around Cincinnati, there are people who can carry a half mil but they tend to use more sound borrowing principles than others, i.e. buying closer to what you can afford. I’m from there BTW. Regarding Liberty Township, there are nicer places closer to the city for the same money that have less of a commute to jobs. The other key thing about Butler and Warren Counties (except for Mason) is that they are not built up like Hamilton county. There is less scarcity of land to artificially drive up prices.
maybe they meant you can buy the whole town for a 1/2 mill
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Y’know, if more people had some intelligence, perhaps housing would have fallen a lot more by now. Seems like stupidity is drawing out the correction. Then again, if more people had some intelligence, this country would look a whole lot different and be a lot easier to live in.
Well said, Palmetto!
Don’t know about that - Japan has got a more intelligent population and things didn’t work out so quickly or so well there either!
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“Looking back, Morris said she wishes it had not been so easy to get a loan that proved too much to handle. ‘I think we went over our heads and they allowed it,’ Morris said. ‘I didn’t go to financial classes — I don’t know any of this stuff.’”
I do believe that responsibility for bad lending does lie with a lender, just as enabling, or spoiling, a child is parents’ fault. Whether we like it or not most people will borrow as much as lenders are willing to lend. Legality cannot solve ethical concerns.
Jas
“I do believe that responsibility for bad lending does lie with a lender, just as enabling, or spoiling, a child is parents’ fault.”
I agree with the second, but not the first. All adults are responsible for contracts they sign. The lender gives money in exchange for a promise to pay. How the lender gets the money is a separate issue, not really germane to the buyer/mortgager. You call it bad lending; but from the responsible adult perspective it is bad borrowing. No absolution of blame for FBs based on questionable lending practices.
Why is this a problem?
The borrowers will default, and the lenders will learn. Just like the child who put his hand on the stove.
I don’t see any “ethical” problem. They will both get screw*d. Good for them both!
Its a business transaction. Just like companies let employees go, people will now just walk away and accept the consequences of it. Just like 60 minutes described last Sunday and is described in Mike Shedlock’s blog. People will feel more comfortable with just walking away as this real estate crash gets worse.
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My summer travels took me through Ohio last July. The amount of new homes was shocking. There were spec homes in Waverly, Ohio! For the uninitiated, google-map it.
I have no idea how some of these rural developments are going to have buyers at any price.
They’ll have buyers - at prices that are approximately equivalent to the cost of a double-wide.
There is a clearing price for every transaction (may be negative though!)
I think that lenders should require lendees to take a 4-hour class, in the language of their choice, explaining mortgages, terms, etc., before they are qualified to sign papers. Heaven knows that when I took out my loans, it took me at least 8 hours to collect that 6″ stack of papers I had to submit. A class should be mandatory, kind of like driving school to get your permit, or traffic school when you get a ticket.
Either that, or make the paperwork simple and readable. What a concept!!
The only thing that you need to read is the note and the deed.
I really think people on either side of the table will learn their lessons as time goes on. As the lender+investors become poorer, they will be more careful with their money. The FBs (at least a good number of them) will be too f***ed to repeat their misadventure.
I can see that in my area there are still a few buyers paying asking price (admittedly ~10% lower than bubble-era prices). I guess they have been waiting long and just have lost patience. I wish they had held back at least till we get through 2008. THese impatient buyers prolong the agony for everyone else and set themselves up for much regret. For someone who jumped into the market in November 2007, it is not pleasant to see that a similar POS is 3 to 5% cheaper now in Feb 2008. And so on.
“I guess they have been waiting long and just have lost patience. I wish they had held back at least till we get through 2008. THese impatient buyers prolong the agony for everyone else and set themselves up for much regret.”
You’re right. Without new lower comps, however, we’d still theoretically be at 2005 prices. I’m okay with some GFs taking the hit for the rest of us.
Helloooo Wisconsin !
It’s going to get much WORSE. You are about 13th in the highest HEW in the nation and Milwaukee has the 2nd highest unemployment rate of the 50 major cities second only to Detroit.
What did you DO …with all that Funny Money ?
That’s a lot of Brats and Beer
“‘If you see property values coming back down to earth, that’s where you’re going to see a recovery, in affordability,’ he said.”
The simple truth.
There is no way any one of us should buy for at least a year. Or more. Maybe MANY more… With foreclosure buses, Faketors ™ able to afford massive mailings, tv ads, online ads, etc, is just proof we have scratched the surface. When J6P won’t touch a home at any price, there are no more comments about “now is the time to buy”, no more ads and billboards, 90% of builders have moved on to waiting tables, Home Depots close many of their stores, etc. Those will be the signals to buy. WAIT. The one signal I’ll be looking for, and you can take it with a grain of salt, because I know this group will, is when interest rates start to rise, which will really put the hurt on sellers and force them to price properly/accordingly, is when I’ll strike. I’d gladly pay a point or two higher if the price of the home comes down 75+%… and they will, after foreclosure, selling to a knife catcher, foreclosure again, and no one will buy at any price. Good luck cohorts!
“Smith said that if there’s any room for encouragement in the dreary data, it is that the decline in property values will make homes more affordable and pull buyers back into the market.”
The bad news - property prices are decreasing. The good news - affordability is increasing.
I notice this little duality cited quite frequently these days.
http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/104340/Housing-Meltdown;_ylt=AmGKf684MQTRDkR9sdUsH_hO7sMF
MELTDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from the link…
“a decline of 25% from here would merely reverse the market’s spectacular appreciation during the boom. It would put the national price level right back on its long-term growth trend line, a surprisingly modest 0.4% a year after inflation. There’s a recent model for this kind of return to normalcy after the bursting of a financial bubble. The stock market decline that began in 2000 erased most of the gains of the boom of the second half of the 1990s, leaving investors with ordinary-sized returns.”
Oh, now it’s going to decline, and it’s all normal now, is it?
F ‘em! Where were they 5 years ago?
This will be worse than the stock market because it reverbates back into the credit markets. The stock market never did that because it was primarily equity based. If a stock went to zero, you lost your equity and walked away. Now if a home goes below the buying price, you can walk away but there are consequences that will affect your credit for the forseeable future. As usual BusinessWeek doesn’t understand business
Yup,
Some idiots are going to start paying everything in cash and learn how to save for a few years.
Some idiots who lent without checking whether the borrower can afford it will have no money to lend. (Hopefully)
This is good education.