An Ironic Bright Spot For California
The Contra Costa Times reports from California. “Zena Hall figured the eagerness of lenders to sell foreclosed houses would help her capture a great price on her next home. About $380,000 later, Hall found out she was right on the mark when she bought a foreclosed townhouse in San Lorenzo. ‘I think I got an excellent deal,’ Hall said. In 2005, that townhouse sold for $532,000. That means Hall’s price was 29 percent below the 2005 price. That was 5 percent below a $400,000 appraisal done on the home just before Hall bought it.”
“Banks and other lenders now account for a sharply rising share of the homes being sold in the Bay Area and East Bay. A year ago, 1 percent of all home resales in the Bay Area involved a foreclosed house.”
“During November, 446 foreclosed homes were sold in the nine-county Bay Area. That’s 11 percent of all the home resales in the region in that month, according to an analysis by the Times of sales data compiled by Dataquick. In the East Bay, 229 foreclosed homes were sold in November — 16 percent of all the resales in that area.”
“All of this is an ironic bright spot for a Bay Area housing market tainted by mortgage defaults, real estate job losses and plunging homes sales. The housing bust has created something of a boom in transactions involving foreclosed houses.”
“‘They were anxious to sell,’ said Alex Almendarez, who with his wife bought a Martinez house in December for about $290,000. The seller, World Savings Bank, foreclosed on the house through a trustee’s deed in July 2007, according to Contra Costa County property records.”
“At that time, county files show, the bank valued the house at $382,000. His purchase price was 24 percent below the bank’s value.”
“A small sample of East Bay agents disclosed they are listing for sale hundreds of foreclosed homes in the area. Other brokers say they have hundreds more homes that banks are preparing to sell.”
“Carlos Gaytan and two family members bought a foreclosed property in Mountain House in western San Joaquin County. ‘Initially, they dropped the price, but they were still asking over $500,000,’ Gaytan said. ‘Two weeks later, the bank called my agent and said they had cut another $30,000.’”
“Katherine Prinzivalli, an agent in Antioch, pointed to one house in that city that has been listed by the lender for three months. This house’s fate underscores the dismal Bay Area residential market.” “The prior owner paid $650,000 for the Antioch house, Prinzivalli said. The bank took back the home for $503,000. The bank now seeks $413,000 — more than one-third below the original sales price.”
“‘That’s a huge hit and no offers,’ Prinzivalli said. ‘There is so much inventory out there.’”
“Frank Carbone in September bought a house in Oakland’s Glenview district, deemed a desirable neighborhood. The bank first sought $525,000. Carbone countered at $450,000. He ultimately bought the home for $465,000.”
“‘I got a good deal, but I couldn’t pay more for it because it needs a lot of work,’ said Carbone, who does his own construction work. ‘It remains to be seen if it’s worth it.’”
The Mercury News. “Home price declines in California this year will be steeper than she originally forecast, an economist for the state’s biggest real estate trade group said.”
“‘I’ve obviously had to eat my ’soft landing’ words,’ said Leslie Appleton-Young, chief economist for the California Association of Realtors, referring to a refrain from the statewide housing forecast she delivered in October.”
“Last fall she predicted median prices in the state would drop about 4 percent this year. Wednesday, she said she’s in the midst of revising that forecast, and that a median price decline of 8 to 10 percent is more realistic.”
“Appleton-Young exhorted real estate agents to double their efforts to cultivate prospective clients, especially first-time buyers who are finally seeing conditions turn in their favor.”
“‘Believe me, they are out there,’ she said, and waiting until they think prices are reasonable. ‘Nobody rings a bell at the bottom of the market,’ Appleton-Young said. ‘Everybody’s waiting for the bell.’”
The Recordnet. “A second major foreclosed-home auction will be coming to Stockton next week, with about 85 Stockton-area houses going up for sale at the San Joaquin County Fairgrounds. Real Estate Disposition Corp., based in Irvine, will hold a series of seven foreclosure auctions in Northern California in coming days, with about 950 houses up for bid.”
“Each property has an undisclosed minimum acceptable bid, but sellers, generally banks, mortgage companies and investor groups, can later accept high bids that fall under that minimum.”
“Jerry Abbott, president and co-owner of Coldwell Banker Grupe, said about 70 percent of current sales are foreclosure properties.”
“Abbott said that with about one-third of the properties sold at high bids and another third negotiated to sale, ‘Auctions are going to become commonplace,’ he said.”
The Modesto Bee. “Diablo Grande’s financial troubles continued this week when the company that runs the community’s water treatment plant threatened to terminate the contract because bills weren’t paid.”
“Charles Voltz, president of Veolia’s western division, said he didn’t know how much Western Hills owes the company, but said it was in the neighborhood of $3 million.”
“The water issue was more aggravation for people who purchased homes at Diablo Grande, a 33,000-acre project in western Stanislaus County with plans for 2,300 homes, five golf courses, a hotel and conference center, winery, and commercial development. The resort is in the early stage of residential construction, with about 400 homes completed.”
“‘We moved here because of the promises they made of a hotel, a spa, a shopping center, and none of this has panned out, and now we don’t even have golf courses,’ said homeowner Kristina Ross-Ortiz. She said many residents don’t know about the water treatment issue.”
“‘The few of us who know are worried about it,’ said Christy Peterman, another homeowner.”
The News Mirror. “Despite losing nearly $100,000 in the now defunct Mesa Verde Estates project, the city of Calimesa could well end up the current fiscal year with a balanced budget. The failure of the Mesa Verde project, the downturn in the housing market generally and two lawsuits the city is involved in have created some financial problems.”
“The city learned just recently that Fiesta Development, which had secured approval for the Mesa Verde Estates project, had filed bankruptcy. ‘Fiesta has walked away from the project owing the city almost $100,000 for planning and engineering services,’ acknowledged David Lane, Calimesa’s city manager. ‘The city will have to pay for these services, but we won’t get that money back from the developer now.’”
“Lane reported that the downturn in the housing market hurt the budget generally. This year’s budget projected $150,000 in revenue from new building permits. At mid year, however, the new projection is for only $50,000.”
“‘With continued, judicious spending by departments, we could be all right,’ Lane said during the city council meeting.”
The Desert Sun. “Palm Springs Mayor Steve Pougnet promised during his campaign that he would explore eminent domain if developer John Wessman didn’t submit plans for the Desert Fashion Plaza within the first 90 days of his taking office.”
“Wessman Development VP Michael Braun wrote in a Jan. 29 letter to the city that a specific plan to turn the Desert Fashion Plaza into a lifestyle center with condos, a movie theater, hotels and shops would be submitted in the second quarter of this year.”
“This week, Wessman Development officials said plans will not be submitted until April - two months after Pougnet’s deadline.”
“‘The Desert Fashion Plaza, under the Wessman Development Company’s stewardship, remains not merely under-utilized; it has been poorly maintained and remains a blighted eyesore, creating an economic maelstrom that is draining the vitality of our downtown,’ Pougnet wrote.”
The Union Tribune. “After San Diego County dodged the last recession in 2001 – continuing to grow as the rest of the nation went into decline – some civic boosters boasted that the region was immune to recessions.”
“But as the nation appears to be heading into a recession, a growing number of economists fear that the county’s sagging housing market and weakening employment could pull it under as well.”
“Economist Christopher Thornberg said California and San Diego County are already in a recession.”
“‘Unemployment is rising. Consumer spending is declining. Home prices are continuing to fall. The foreclosure rate is huge,’ said Thornberg. ‘That’s why I’m not saying a recession is about to happen in San Diego. I’m saying it already is happening.’”
“Alan Gin, economist at the University of San Diego, agreed that the region has entered a ‘San Diego-style recession,’ meaning that job growth is lagging behind the population’s growth rate. But he believes the county’s diverse mix of industries will help it avoid the technical definition of a regional recess.”
“‘It’ll be very weak growth compared to what we’ve had, but it won’t be a decline,’ Gin said.”
“On the other hand, Gin said the housing downturn could affect consumer spending. ‘A key question is to what extent consumer spending was fueled by home-equity loans,’ he said. ‘With those loans drying up, what will happen to retail spending?’”
“The median home price in San Diego County last month was 13 percent lower than it was the year before. In some neighborhoods, such as Spring Valley and southeast Chula Vista, the decline was more than 30 percent.”
“A record 987 houses were foreclosed upon in December. Bankruptcy filings jumped from 471 in January 2007 to 839 last month. Residential building permits declined 31 percent last year, following a 29 percent drop in 2006.”
“The unemployment rate rose by more than a full percentage point last year, jumping from 3.7 percent in December 2006 to 4.8 percent in December 2007, its highest point in four years.”
“To Thornberg, the jump in unemployment is the clearest sign that the economy has gone into a recession. ‘The only time the unemployment rate jumps more than 1 percent in a year is when the economy is heading into a recession or is already in one,’ he said.”
“One thing the economists agree on is that the decline in residential real estate, which sparked the downturn, will continue.”
The North County Times. “In San Diego County and elsewhere, shrinking home equity has led consumers to cut back sharply. Optimists and pessimists generally agree that’s a return to earth from the freewheeling days of easy money from home equity loans and cash-out refinancing.”
“‘The question is, ‘How rocky is the road going to be?’ Thornberg said. ‘The answer is ‘pretty rocky.’”
“Even economists who hesitate to predict a regional recession, such as UC San Diego’s James Hamilton, acknowledge that the picture has darkened considerably in recent months.”
“‘This is not a wild or irresponsible forecast at all,’ said Hamilton, who studies the effects of federal monetary policy.”
“Kelly Cunningham, chief economist at the San Diego Institute, said the county has probably already weathered the worst effects of the mortgage mess. Home prices peaked earlier in San Diego County than in other parts of California, and the local bubble has mostly deflated, he said.”
“A wide range of businesses in the region are continuing to create jobs, a factor that Cunningham said will soon begin to boost demand for homes and reverse a 27-month decline in prices.”
“The Federal Reserve’s cuts in a key interest rate should help to prod the real estate market and business investment, in San Diego County and elsewhere. ‘It’s a good time for taking out loans,’ Cunningham said.”
“‘The (economic) slowdown seems to be driven solely by the real estate fallout,’ he added. ‘I think Chris might be overstating it.’”
The Daily Bulletin. “If the towering steel power lines on Edison Avenue don’t scare you away and you’re OK with living near a state prison, Bridlewood Estates in east Chino might be the perfect fit for your family.”
“Dairy farmers have sold out to developers over the last two decades. ‘About 2000 or 2001, the (Bridlewood Estate) properties were removed from the contract restrictions and the properties developed,’ said Brent Arnold, city planner.”
“These ranch-style homes enticed new home buyers from 2001 to 2003 with half-acre lots and plans ranging from 3,190 to 4,370 square feet. Equestrian white-picket-fenced paths enhance this pristine development even though most - if not all - of the neighborhood’s residents probably don’t own horses.”
“It was the ‘big yards’ and ‘bigger garages’ that drew Darren Russell and his wife to buy a new two-story house in 2003 on Whitebark Court for $567,000.”
“‘I’ve seen some sell for $1.2 million,’ he said about homes for re-sale in 2005.”
“On some days, the smell of cow dung hangs heavy in the air. Remnants of the agricultural preserve have survived, butting up next to cinderblock walls that encase newcomers in their stucco villages.”
“The view from Euclid Avenue: new homes … strawberry fields … new homes … Van Wyk’s Milk Testing Plant. And don’t forget Stockyards - the store is giving away ‘free bulk fertilizer,’ according to a big sign in its parking lot.”
“Russell doesn’t mind the cows for now. Besides, the city’s master-planned Preserve community just south of his neighborhood will offer a maze of bike paths and walking trails he won’t be able to pass up.”
“The California Institution for Men, lies about a mile away, but that doesn’t bother him too much either.”
“‘A lot of people are bothered by the prison,’ he said about his neighbors. ‘I’ve gone on bike rides over by College Park (neighborhood), and you can hear the gates slamming. (The inmates’) voices carry over.’”
How can I ever trust the California Association of Realtors again?
You mean you were foolish enough to trust them in the first place?
Realtor & trust go together like….?
Help me out here guys…
Executioner and executionee?
Oxygen and phosphorus.
DEET and mosquitoes
Oil and water.
Hurricanes and palm trees..
The former bends the latter with alot of wind, and the latter has no effect on the former.
Twinkies and asphalt…
Cocaine and Waffles
and
Peanut Butter and Ladies
NASCAR IS BACK ON……who gives a F*ck
Religion and politics
Catholic priests and alter boys
How do you separate the priests from the altar boys?
With a crowbar, My bad.
Bwwwwaaahhhhhhaaaaaa…that goes on the joke list.
Old joke: It used to be “In Greece how do you separate the boys from the men?”
What the realtors don’t tell you about their encouraging sales figures is that most of these supposed sales are the lenders “buying” back their own junk at imaginary prices to keep the numbers up. It’s all a scam and a fraud, and our Government does nothing about it.
Can not resist.
How do you get a nun pregnant?
Answer: Dress her up as an altar boy.
Magnesium and Fire
Sodium and water.
(Never seen it? Don’t! My dad’s a chemist.)
sodium and water is bad ass
Sodium and water? Bah, that’s for kids. How about Cesium and water?
Pamela Anderson and Mensa
Suzanne and TXChick
Joshua trees and FBs
Anti-Matter & Matter
Pus-filled ginormous pimple, and a supermodel
“‘Believe me, they are out there,’ she said, and waiting until they think prices are reasonable. ‘Nobody rings a bell at the bottom of the market,’ Appleton-Young said. ‘Everybody’s waiting for the bell.’”
What an effin’ A$$HAT!
of course there is a bell… it will sound like selling prices real close to rent prices… properties that pencil out… reasonable median prices relative to median incomes of the population.
That is what smart money is waiting for dip$hit! grrr &*#%!#@#&(
Serious A$$hat!!! These people that think the “bottom” lasts for only a moment are so full of $h!t. We’ll all have PLENTY of time….
FBs, ask not from whom the bell tolls…
FOR
(loooong day)
Um….misread it at first as “balls toll”. My bad.
News from CAR (forwarded to me by a friend). Flame away:
Dear Legislative Liaison,
Welcome to C.A.R.’s new Legislative Liaison Networker! The look and format are changing a bit and it’s pretty exciting to share the following information with you. We think you’ll agree that it’s big news! Thank you to all of you who either called Senator Boxer late last year or responded to last week’s Calls-for-Action requesting that increases to FHA and GSE loan limits be included in the Senate’s version of the stimulus package. Once again, you’ve made a difference.
Senate Passes Stimulus Package — Final Bill Includes Increased Loan Limits
Thanks in part to the lobbying by C.A.R. and NAR members; the Senate passed their version of an economic stimulus package on Thursday, February 07, 2008. The Senate version expands rebate checks for seniors and disabled veterans and includes the same increases to the conforming loan limits for both GSE and FHA found in the House stimulus package. The House has already announced that they plan to vote on the Senate version of the stimulus package and expect to quickly pass the stimulus package with a bipartisan vote. The President is expected to sign the legislation early next week, ahead of the Congressional self-appointed deadline of February 15th. The increase in the conforming loan limits will last through 2008, but C.A.R. and NAR continue to lobby for FHA and GSE reform, making these increases permanent.
The U.S. House of Representatives passed a stimulus package last week that raised the FHA and conforming loan limits to as high as $729,750 in high-cost areas. By increasing the loan limits, borrowers will see immediate relief with new liquidity in the mortgage market and the nation will see an additional 300,000 home sales. Research shows that an increase in the FHA limit would enable an additional 138,000 Americans to purchase homes, and 200,000 families to refinance their homes safely and affordably.
Increasing the FHA loan limits is critical to bolstering California’s housing market. Current law restricts FHA loans to levels well below the median home price in many areas of the country and caps loans in high cost states at $363,790. These limits are preventing many homebuyers from using FHA to purchase or refinance their loan. The proposed provision will increase FHA loan limits nationwide by raising the floor to $271,050 and the limit to 125% of local median home prices.
Additionally, raising Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s (GSEs) conforming loan limit will provide immediate relief to borrowers and alleviate downward pressure on current housing markets. For instance, increasing the GSE loan limit could result in more than 300,000 additional home sales and strengthen current home prices by 2-3%.
The critical role that GSEs play in providing liquidity to the mortgage market has never been more evident than it is today. The national subprime meltdown has had a dramatic impact on both the cost and availability of mortgages in many markets. Since August 2007, the interest rates for jumbo borrowers have been more than 1 percentage point higher than conforming loans, which can cost homeowners up to $400 month in higher interest payments.
FOR MORE INFORMATION
Please contact deannk@car.org.
Free Markets and the Constitution!?!? Thats soooo 1990….p
That won’t help anyone except the bankers. I don’t see too many people out there eager to buy $700,000 houses anymore. Although it’s nice to know that FHA aka taxpayers are helping low-income families get into $729,000 homes.
Don’t worry ec3, we’ll respect you in the morning.
Got popcorn?
Neil
Ive been looking to buy in Chino For a while. But I dont think I would want to pick the part, RIGHT NEXT TO THE STATE PRISON!
Oh brother, where art thou prison break?
I wonder…just exactly where is the prison? Behind the barbed wire - or the white picket fences?
LOL
“If the towering steel power lines on Edison Avenue don’t scare you away and you’re OK with living near a state prison, Bridlewood Estates in east Chino might be the perfect fit for your family.”
I have been around that area of Chino . It is a pretty open area
with lots of warehouses and factories interpersed with farm and pasture fields. The Prison is set well back from the main roads but is fairly close to some industrial lots. One business client, an industrial pipe supplier, was fairly close to the prison grounds and all the pipe business employees doubled as security guards.
Bad area to site homes: all flat terrain with large factories and semi-rural aspect, dilapidated in many areas, and the prison as the main attraction.
Chino is hot, dusty, smelly & smoggy most of the year, exactly like Norco and Ontario. Not a pleasant place to buy a home. Only advantage is the 71 fwy is fairly fast and open down to the 91 and there are some good open back country lanes to use as shortcuts to get around the Corona 91 fwy bottleneck. One country lane passes near the Chino Woman’s Prison.
I’m tempted to put a question on Trulia asking, “I’m thinking of buying investment properties in Chino. Can someone provide me guidance?”
yeah - I want to hear the gates clank shut and the prisoners while relaxing in my yard, smelling the dairy after my 2 hour commute somewhere that they have jobs that could possibly support an over $500K house - oh yeah baby -sounds like paradise! Snark off.
perfect if you are prison guard. one of only jobs out there to support such a dwelling probably. that or dope dealer.
In some prisons you can do both…double your income.
double dipping…
or is that another subj..prison slang?
“‘We moved here because of the promises they made of a hotel, a spa, a shopping center, and none of this has panned out, and now we don’t even have golf courses,’ said homeowner Kristina Ross-Ortiz. She said many residents don’t know about the water treatment issue.”
Kristina Ross-Ortiz , a previous resident of Salton City said “If it weren’t for bad luck I’d have no luck at all”
Note to Kristina: Never trust the promises of people trying to sell you something.
I don’t know how anyone could miss it, legal battles over water for the developement went on for years - I remember reading about it in the late nineties.
Some Diablo Grande residents have complained about the qual-ity of the drinking water, which sometimes has a brown or yellow tint and smells of chemicals.
Stop complaining and just take a bath a pretend your down at your “Luxury Spa” taking a mud bath.
“‘I’ve obviously had to eat my ’soft landing’ words,’ said Leslie Appleton-Young, chief economist for the California Association of Realtors, referring to a refrain from the statewide housing forecast she delivered in October.”
As an occasional word torturer, I take great offense to the Hyphenated-one torturing her own words, by masticating them.
Even at her 10% revised prediction per year, this will mean the bottom is going to be a decade away
“‘Nobody rings a bell at the bottom of the market,’ Appleton-Young said. ‘Everybody’s waiting for the bell.”
I get a vision of Ms. Appleton-Young swinging on a rope that runs up to the top of the bell tower.
A bell ringing?
How about sometime in 2012?
And that’s for the “early” areas…
The old JT isn’t good enough for that b!mbo. Try a baobab tree….
I had to re-read this paragraph 3 times in disbelief. I kept looking for the part where she said, “Whatever, I was joking about the eating my words thing. Look, how many times do I have to tell you people? This has been a rock-hard landing, just like I predicted, but thankfully we’ve hit bottom so there’s never been a better time to buy!”
“A wide range of businesses in the region are continuing to create jobs, a factor that Cunningham said will soon begin to boost demand for homes and reverse a 27-month decline in prices.”
Unemployment was up 30% year over year in December. Unless those new jobs are a whole lot better than the greater number being lost, employment changes should add to the downward pressure on prices.
“229 foreclosed homes were sold in November — 16 percent of all the resales in that area.”
One of the subdivisions that I keep track of in Palmdale is Delta Ridge. It’s a subdivision on the west side of town with view lots and huge homes, really one of the nicest tracts in the city. At last count there are 22 homes in that subdivision for sale, as indicated by signs out front. That’s the highest count I’ve seen yet.
According to realtytrac there are 18 bank owned properties in that same subdivision. If there is perfect meshing between samples we have 82% of the homes for sale there as REOs/foreclosures. Ouch!
“On some days, the smell of cow dung hangs heavy in the air. Remnants of the agricultural preserve have survived, butting up next to cinderblock walls that encase newcomers in their stucco villages.”
WTF - get used to it!
I have some friends that had a 1500 acre farm in Barrington, IL - They raised pigs. (This is a pseudo upscale community not as wealthy as Kenilworth or Lake Forest, but OK.) The people that bought the first generation McMansions 25 years ago , protested over the smell. These friends have been raising pigs for 30 years. They fought back. It took two years and the developers bought their property. They have lovely farms in Wisconsin now. If you wish to know how money smells, go to a pig farm. The smell of money.
“On some days, the smell of cow dung hangs heavy in the air.
You sure that’s cow dung?
That smell would bother me too, no offense. I have a very keen sense of smell. I would be willing to deal with it a couple days out of the week when I get a second home on farmland.
I certainly can understand somebody not liking smells. I get nauseous when I land in LAX/ The smell is …!
I would never buy in LA for that reason, why should some mope buy in an agricultural area and expect long time farming practices to change?
Arrogant stupidity.
Hoz, you’re right about the smell upon landing at LAX! It’s terrible, and I grew up near Gary, IN. If the wind was blowing one way, you got the industrial smells. If it was blowing the other way, you got the farming smells.
These days I live a few blocks from a chocolate factory. I’ve never heard anyone complaining
I used to live in an area of culver city in LA near where the krishnas had an incense factory. Late at night it was yummy smelling outside.
bullish tone for commodity complex.
The price of high protein wheat has exploded -$23/bu for durum wheat and $18/bu for hard red spring!
http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/MS_GR115.txt
It is as dumb as buying a house near an airport, then complaining about planes flying over your house.
Or buying across the street and complaining about the noise and traffic.
Or buying in an area with limited access, then expects everyone else to pay for new roads/bridges.
People buy in these areas because it is cheap, because no sane person wants to live there… then expect the shut down whatever activity it was that made the place so cheap.
oh, oh, this reminded me of something back in Maryland. In the 80s I was an assistant county attorney for a rural county. The state built a new expressway out to our county so Baltimore Countians were flocking out there because taxes and property were cheap. My parents owned a country store and my mother always used to get amused by the new residents who would come into the store to meet the local merchants and would eventually ask things like “what day do they pick up garbage?” My mother would say, “it depends on what company you hire” and they would get all upset because they expected the county to do it. That’s why our freaking taxes were so low; there weren’t a lot of public services! Naturally all those new people started lobbying the county to get all these services they were used to getting and then would get all up in arms because the county wanted to raise taxes to pay for them. They moved there to get lower taxes but expected the same high level of government services.
It was not a good time to be a county attorney.
Sound like Libertarians. Taxes are “illegal” but they demand all the services they’ve grown accustomed to.
I can think of two instances in Santa Barbara:
One idiot bought a house to the right of the 10th tee at La Cumbre Country Club (the Club has been there for about 80 years). He sued the club because too many balls were landing in his yard (with my most excellent slice, his house and yard are definitely in play).
The other unbelievable idiot bought a house in the upper Eastside (a perfect location, downtown, where I will relocate once the kids are grown). He threatened to sue St. Barbara’s Parish (the Old Mission) because he thought they were ringing the bells unnecessarily often! The Mission has been there, oh, 250 years.
The first was thrown out of court, and the second guy never did sue and was lucky he wasn’t run out of town on a rail, but still, what A$$hats.
No, that’s not the smell of money. It is the smell of greed from egotistical, greedy farmers.
What makes a farmer egotistical to say they want to continue doing business the way they always have, and not want to go bankrupt just because a city encroached on them?
Ben, there’s another article in the recordnet that is a “bright spot” for California, ROTFLMAO. I guess some people can see good news in anything.
http://tinyurl.com/2ws5og
Bruce Spence at (209) 943-8581 or bspence@recordnet.com
This guy is another idiot reporter. He reports the horrific numbers as positive because the rate of acceleration has declined. That’s a bit like a 747 captain who’s lost both his wings and is plummeting earthward telling his passengers that everything is OK becasue the thicker atmosphere near the ground will keep the plane from speeding up any further.
Additionally, that limp noodle only sought comment from realtors. That’s like asking the NRA whether guns kill people or people kill people. (BTW, people kill people, IMHO)
“I guess some people can see good news in anything.”
Some people: God it’s a long way down off the side of this skyscraper. But oh goody, I’m almost at the end.
ha
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/02/quote-of-the-da.html
No one took me seriously when I told everyone how hard house prices will crash. My dad still doesn’t. Like I am gonna buy those ripoff Florida houses? LOL
In 2005 and 2006 I was telling coworkers in Florida, who were all snapping up condos with i/o loans to “get rich quick” that someday, soon, someone’s it’s all going to come tumbling down. They attributed my skepticism to “sour grapes”–that I must not be able to qualify for the wonderful financial instruments that they were all using to become the next Donald Trump.
One guy I know, who’s in Big Trouble now, took the money he saved for his kid’s college education and bought some crappy homes in Lake County, FL. He’s really hurting now. I must say, though, that his kids are getting an education from that money!
There *is* a smart way to buy a house with your kids’ college fund— my sister and her husband purchased a cabin* with a mortgage that they could afford, and use it at least every other weekend. The idea is that they get the fun out of it now, and when the kids go to college— over a decade from now— they sell the house and use the proceeds.
But the key here is that they are able to afford it. They’re not expecting sky-high prices; they’re not looking for a quick turnaround. They just decided to do something a little more fun with their money than just put it in some abstract investments.
*”Cabin” in this instance means a SFH in the mountains. It’s pretty nice and convenient to the things they like to do in summer and winter.
Just saw it earlier - that’s all.
I took you seriously, FL.
“‘I’ve obviously had to eat my ’soft landing’ words,’ said Leslie Appleton-Young, chief economist for the California Association of Realtors, referring to a refrain from the statewide housing forecast she delivered in October.”
If realtors want to restore some thin veneer of credibility to their “profession,” they can start by bilging the likes of LAY and Lawrence Yun. Most of these NAR spokespeople have become bad jokes, and the fact the NAR and its members keep them around speaks volumes.
I want to to wish Larry Yun A happy Chinese New Year!
Its the year of the rat!
I think I smell one.
“Russell doesn’t mind the cows for now. Besides, the city’s master-planned Preserve community just south of his neighborhood will offer a maze of bike paths and walking trails he won’t be able to pass up.”
What a great place and for only $1.2M ($567k if you bought early) . Cow dung aroma, view of high tension lines, soothing sounds from a prison, several hundred dollar electrical bills to cool your 3000+ sq ft.
home in the summer. Only the finest for the shrewd buyer. Of course, there might be a lot of room on those bike trails. Seems like a steep premium, though.
” Besides, the city’s master-planned Preserve community just south of his neighborhood will offer a maze of bike paths and walking trails he won’t be able to pass up…These ranch-style homes enticed new home buyers from 2001 to 2003 with half-acre lots and plans ranging from 3,190 to 4,370 square feet..Equestrian white-picket-fenced paths enhance this pristine development even though most - if not all - of the neighborhood’s residents probably don’t own horses….t was the “big yards” and “bigger garages” that drew Darren Russell and his wife to buy a new two-story house in 2003 on Whitebark Court for $567,000…I’ve seen some sell for $1.2million,” he said about homes for re-sale in 2005. ‘
This article was written by a journalist/ RE Troll. Makes it looks like that development is Aladdins magic kingdom. It is all sugar coated fluff, especially that part about bike paths and walking trails. Chino & entire IE is miserable and nasty for any type of outdoor activity.
Chino is simply dull, flat, hot ,smoggy, and dilapidated/ragged in many parts, especially the older northern area . $567,000 in chino? 1.2 million? Must be for an entire city block. Chino is still a semi-rural backwater and developers/ Hb’ers have trashed it in process of razing the ranchsteads and shoving in new tracts & malls. This has happed all over the IE in the older former rural areas such as Norco, Ontario, Glen Avon, Mira loma,Pedley, ect ,
No home in Chino is worth $300,000 tops!
Yea, but some people tried. In 2006 I ran across some a new development (Suncor) on the east side of Chino. They were building homes and trying to sell them for around $1.5M at that time. Right across the street was an old dairy farm where they had about a 100 dairy cows in this small pasture, the kind where nothing grows any more, and it’s like a mound of manure.
I asked this guy how they could find someone to pay that much in an area that smelled that bad. (I was reading this blog by then). Talk about an FB!
I grew up in Ontario in the mid 70s-early 80s. Mom grew up in LA in the 50s and 60s. California was such a lovely place then! So sad to see what a dump it became. We all got out in the 80s, by then it was going downhill fast enough, everything that made it so great is long gone now.
Don’t forget the sound of airplanes landing or taking off.
Grew up with milk farm cow smell, and driving over hill, close my eyes, and open windows and smelll and know that I am back to my roots once again. Don’t have to be blind to know you are home.
“‘I got a good deal, but I couldn’t pay more for it because it needs a lot of work,’ said Carbone, who does his own construction work. ‘It remains to be seen if it’s worth it.’”
LOL…the ease some seem to depart with their money continues to amaze me daily. Is it just me or shouldn’t you know something is worth it before you spend 450k on it??
I really don’t get it…
Ill answer for him. NO! it was not worth it! Your house will lose more than half it’s value!
Let’s see here.
1) Buy a property.
2) See if it pencils out.
Now that’s using the ol’ melon. LOL
– Judge Smales
“You’ll get nothing and like it”
He says he got a good deal, then says it remains to be seen if it’s worth it. Okay…
“‘I’ve obviously had to eat my ’soft landing’ words,’ said Leslie Appleton-Young.
I’m getting some disturbing mental pictures here.
Are these words furry little squirmers, all wild eyed and twitching, that she crushes between the back molars, Jabba the Hutt style?
Or does she just twirl some slimy devils around a stick and swallow whole, ala Korean octopi?
Enquiring minds want to know.
—Survey says — “Swallows!”
What do you mean — African, or European swallows?
“And now skipping out on a home is easier, thanks to the Mortgage Debt Relief Act of 2007. Previously, if a bank sold a foreclosed home for less than the mortgage balance and it forgave the difference, the borrower had to pay tax on that difference as if it were income. Now the IRS will ignore it.”
“‘That’s going to help a lot of people,’ said Mike Gray, a San Jose accountant.”
Anyone wonder how fast this loophole will be closed once the gubbermint realizes this new law was a huge mistake that’s encouraging millions to walk away free?
Not fast enough IMHO
About 20 million homes late…
Got popcorn?
Neil
Ah, there the rub…
They’ve given the opening for a pass on taxes as an attempt to show how much they care about the huddled masses. I will be very surprised if they can stuff that particular genie back in the bottle before it does it’s worst. The plebes won’t stand for it.
Here’s a piece from the San Francisco Chronicle on the effects of foreclosure on tenants in the Bay Area. Many tenants are covered by rent control and just cause eviction ordinances, but the parts of the Bay Area with the most foreclosures don’t have these protections.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/02/07/MN4NUOE27.DTL
Amazing how these FB rent out their Pig of a house, collect rent and not pay the mortgage. Classless….
“About $460 billion of adjustable-rate mortgages are scheduled to reset this year, with the next spike in resets coming in 2011, when $420 billion in mortgages will adjust to new interest rates for the first time, according to New York-based analysts at Citigroup Inc.”
This alone proves the bottom can’t be before that. We may be halfway to the bottom in 2010(two years from now) but the bottom could drag on to 2015 or even later.
The 2011 date, I believe, assumes that the FB’s don’t reach the neg-am cap of 110% to 120% of the original loan before then. Which, of course, they all will, since apparently hardly anyone pays any more than the minimum.
It depends what people do between now and then. These people have 3+ years to prepare for the resets, and with all the publicity of the problems people are facing with current resets, a sizable percentage may be able to take steps in advance such that they are able to make the higher payments (assuming they can’t refinance in a bit). Part of the issue this time around is that people were in denial about the resets and declining value — that factor is likely to be less prevalent in 2011.
“a sizable percentage may be able to take steps in advance such that they are able to make the higher payments.”
Right!! We can refinance! Ooops, can’t qualify. Dang!
Wait!! We can take a second job! Oh, wait. NO JOBS. Darn!
Hey!! We can supplement with credit cards. Hmmm, already maxed-out. Farg!!
“Gather-round, young-uns, looks like it’s medical experiments for the lot of ya!”
DOC
“a sizable percentage may be able to take steps in advance such that they are able to make the higher payments”
I couldn’t resist this one either. Why do you think they are making minimum payments in the first place? BECAUSE THEY CAN”T AFFORD THE FRICKIN’ HOUSE THEY BOUGHT! And now they are underwater. So please, do tell me, WTF steps are they going to take?
for one, they won’t be using their homes as ATMs for the next 3 years, incurring more debt, etc., the way people who took out ARMs 4-5 years ago did (i.e., the people whose mortgages are resetting now)
“If the towering steel power lines on Edison Avenue don’t scare you away and you’re OK with living near a state prison, Bridlewood Estates in east Chino might be the perfect fit for your family.”
“On some days, the smell of cow dung hangs heavy in the air. Remnants of the agricultural preserve have survived, butting up next to cinderblock walls that encase newcomers in their stucco villages.”
“Russell doesn’t mind the cows for now. Besides, the city’s master-planned Preserve community just south of his neighborhood will offer a maze of bike paths and walking trails he won’t be able to pass up.”
“The California Institution for Men, lies about a mile away, but that doesn’t bother him too much either.”
“‘A lot of people are bothered by the prison,’ he said about his neighbors. ‘I’ve gone on bike rides over by College Park (neighborhood), and you can hear the gates slamming. (The inmates’) voices carry over.’”
“LOL” For those who are unfamilliar with Chino, this is truly one special place…I hate taking the freeway through that area. There is no way to escape that smell…I repeat no way. You have to have virtually no sense of smell not too notice. Combine that with the daily threat of being a$$ raped by a recent escapee makes it all the more special.
$567k? no I don’t think so….how about you pay me and outfit the basement with a armory and a industrial grade air purifier. I couldn’t even imagine being underwater in a pit like that…
Just goes to show that “location, location, location” is a myth. I can get a nicer house in a better location than that for a fraction the price!
“Combine that with the daily threat of being a$$ raped by a recent escapee makes it all the more special.”
Look on the bright side. At least those guys know how to find the bottom.
LOL
“On some days, the smell of cow dung hangs heavy in the air. Remnants of the agricultural preserve have survived, butting up next to cinderblock walls that encase newcomers in their stucco villages.”
Robert Duvall, in movie RE Apocalypse…
“I love the smell of cowdung in the morning…it reminds me of the smell of foreclosures…”
DOC
Comment by jetson_boy
2008-02-07 14:52:35
Oh… we’re now getting a load of foreclosure ads in my neck of the woods ( Cali) and they show all these huge homes for 40-50k. Of course in small print it mentions that they’re in middle of nowhere Ohio… whoopee!
I see that being shown in Florida and how the grass is so much greener in Tennessee, Carolinas, Arkansas, Kentucky, etc. Alot of Floridians are taking heed and packing out and into those states. Given the choice between a $250k house or a $50k house, it’s a no brainer and count me in as another leaving Florida.
In 2005, that townhouse sold for $532,000. That means Hall’s price was 29 percent below the 2005 price. That was 5 percent below a $400,000 appraisal done on the home just before Hall bought it.”
OK, so this woman paid $380k for a house that sold for 532k during the bubble years. I’m not sure that is a great deal. It may be a fair market value, but I doubt it is the “deal” she thinks it is. I see REO properties listed here all the time in Atlanta that are 1/3 below their 2005 prices, and trust me, they are not deals. It may be what a reasonable person would pay for the property in a normal RE market, but in this market? I think some people look at this and think, well if it is 33% off from what it sold, it must be a good deal. I’m not convinced.
It’s still a huge ripoff considering how much cheaper it was before the bubble. Probably $150k
Not in San Lorenzo. It was probably ~300k. $150 wouldn’t have bought a shack of a SFR in the Bay area in the last 10 years.
That means Hall’s price was 29 percent below the 2005 price. That was 5 percent below a $400,000 appraisal done on the home just before Hall bought it.”
A whole 5% below appraised “value”? Ms. Hall sure knows how to drive a hard bargain!
Comment by combotechie
2008-02-07 13:32:18
A good program is for the kids to earn their own money. This is how they will relate the cost of money to what the money will buy.
Earned money is valued much higher than easy money.
This is what I am doing and I refuse to allow my parents to “help” me afford a house in Florida that I know isn’t worth half of the wishing price. They want me to stay in FL but that state has problems.
How many people lied about owner occupied?
What is the punishment?
How do we save for a house when we are spending our savings on living?
Vet bill today: $117.00
When I grocery shop the voice in my head is screaming.
Its yelling NO snacks and NO treats.
And Im not even overweight.
I’m not a doctor, but you may want to seek a prescription for Lithium.
wait until queen hill starts garnishing your wages to pay for health care. then, you won’t have to choose between groceries or going to the doctor… the gub’ment chose for you!
lil Bush already garnished your wages to pay his Saudi friends. And we’re already paying for folks without health insurance who use the Emergency Room.
Did shopping as well, and got some snacks/treats, and bill was way over what I wanted to spend, gave back the snacks/treats and believe me, the bill goes way down.
Way down.
Buying only fresh from now on. Guess we will have to if we want to ride out this storm.
“‘Unemployment is rising. Consumer spending is declining. Home prices are continuing to fall. The foreclosure rate is huge,’ said Thornberg. ‘That’s why I’m not saying a recession is about to happen in San Diego. I’m saying it already is happening.’”
Thornberg’s Da Man!
DOC
Translation: “I’m not saying you MAY get a financial ass-pounding, I’m saying quick, lube your ass!”
“Alan Gin, economist at the University of San Diego, agreed that the region has entered a ‘San Diego-style recession,’ meaning that job growth is lagging behind the population’s growth rate. But he believes the county’s diverse mix of industries will help it avoid the technical definition of a regional recess.”
“‘It’ll be very weak growth compared to what we’ve had, but it won’t be a decline,’ Gin said.”
Ugh. I guess it’s really is “different” in San Diego. Even their recessions aren’t really recessions.
My medication, please.
– Judge Smales
“You’ll get nothing and like it”
Yeah, it’s the same kinda thing here in San Francisco.
Many are not dealing well with reality, for apparently even our house price declines are not really house price declines.
Here’s a sing along you’ll like…………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37pal-PYTUQ
That was funny! Also try this one:
Feels Like Hoover
Mike Collins, of Collins Realty, said that with foreclosure prices “way down,” sales have definitely perked up. Prices seem to have dropped low enough to have gotten some buyer interest,” he said. “Plus, these low interest rates are helping. I’m pretty optimistic.”
” I think things are beginning to happen.”
You’re spot-on correct, Mike. Something is happenning…
Better grab your ankles and bite that stick, cause you’re going to be intimately aware of the lesser-known yet quite effective use of certain high desert trees.
DOC
the ten year has begun the march higher.
Today’s move matched the 30-year auction. The long-term money shifted from 10-year to the higher yielding 30.
The real tests will be… will the 10 year stay up? Will the government continue to auction the longer-term notes to further steapen the yield curve and lock the deficit in at today’s low rates?
“‘Believe me, they are out there,’ she said, and waiting until they think prices are reasonable.
After years she got it finally. Next lesson she will learn is that reasonable price means four times the average income for the average house.
We are seeing one big pile of defaults right now and the market is pretty dead.
I also noted that most “home owners” think their property appriciated or held its value in the last year.
So, this is the classic pattern. We are still in the denial phase and there are many defaults still in the future.
In the last housing bust the defaults really kicked up after prices had declined. Right now the distressed sales along with the few actual sellers will start the majority of the price drops. The values will really be written in stone by 2010 season. Then “home owners” will realize the value has tanked and another wave of defaults will happen. It will be exacerbated by the presence of the second wave of ARM resets. Should crater prices a bit more.
Second wave peaks in 2010.
So, my 2012 time frame is looking pretty good. That is about when I may look to buy.
Yep…. First go the people that have properties they can’t afford. Next will be the people that can afford the house, but choose not to once they realize they owe way more than the house is worth.
“Everybody’s waiting for the bell.” I feel like Pavlov’s Dog.
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
Hillary died? I didn’t even know she was sick.
Giant Devil, you…
“Diablo Grande’s financial troubles continued this week when the company that runs the community’s water treatment plant threatened to terminate the contract because bills weren’t paid.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/06/AR2008020604181.html?hpid=smartliving
Aah yes! The “New Simplicity”.
We were expecting you. You’re on time.
Sheeple, sheeple, sheeple. Sigh.
“If you are renting, you are not a financial failure.”
*Now* you tell me. Renting will be the new black.
Jail Break @ 7:41 p.m., p.s.t.
Who’s with me?
I’ll distract the Blogstodian, and everybody make for the fences…
February 7, 2008, 1:16 pm
New Mortgage Rules Benefit Californians, Sort Of
Just when Californians are tossed a long-sought bone in the mortgage market, conditions on the ground threaten to erode the proposed benefit.
The Bush administration’s fiscal stimulus package would raise the limits on loans that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can guarantee or buy. About half of the high-cost areas eligible for the larger loans – up to $729,750 from the current ceiling of $417,000 – are in California. Reviving the market for so-called jumbo mortgage should make credit less expensive and more available. (”Will New Rules On Mortgages Help Borrowers?“)
But Frannie/Freddie and major lenders such as Countrywide Financial Corp. are tightening their lending requirements in markets where prices are rapidly declining – and that happens to include California. In such soft markets, borrowers may have to put up an extra 5% equity over the national norm, or finance that gap with a larger piggyback mortgage or home-equity loan. But lenders are curbing those products as well.
http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2008/02/07/new-mortgage-rules-benefit-californians-sort-of/?mod=googlenews_wsj
“If the towering steel power lines on Edison Avenue don’t scare you away and you’re OK with living near a state prison, Bridlewood Estates in east Chino might be the perfect fit for your family.”
I used to live between a golf course and a prison…It had its pros and cons. Ta Da Dum!