February 8, 2008

Sales Have Scaled Back From The Excessive Boom

The Hungry Horse News reports from Montana. “Flathead County could be edging its way towards a larger surplus in the housing market. That was the message presented by appraiser Jim Kelley at the sixth annual Economic Forecast. According to Kelley the supply of land and housing being created is already higher than the demand. He said based on historical trends for housing demands and population increases there has been a surplus of homes constructed in the county since 2004.”

“Last year there was an estimated need for 992 homes while about 1,093 were actually constructed. ‘The demand goes up and down. There’s been a drop in demand, but we still build homes,’ Kelley said. ‘In nine of 11 years we’ve built more than the demand.’”

“‘It’s my personal opinion that the…Whitefish market will be like the 2001 .com bubble,’ he said.”

“In Whitefish, he said, about one in every 19 houses is currently for sale. On average a home in the Whitefish city limits will spend about 15.5 months on the market.”

“The average price for a home in 2007 in Whitefish was at $503,707. Kelley said that foreclosures and declining markets in other areas of the country are affecting the Flathead Valley market as well.”

“Kelley said that was because many of the people who buy those homes here are from out of state, but because the housing market has fallen more dramatically in other states folks won’t be purchasing homes here.”

“Since 2001, the number of lots created in the county has continued to outpace construction rates. Through 2007, Kelley estimates there an excess of about 2,800 lots. He said that without any new subdivisions created there is about a four-year supply of lots.”

The Idaho Mountain Express. “What may have looked like an attractive option during the real estate boom may now have lost some of its luster. Falling real estate values in Hailey are resulting in free-market home prices low enough to compete with deed-restricted homes set aside by the Blaine County Housing Authority as affordable housing.”

“‘If you had the choice of buying a home which was deed restricted and one which was not, and they were both the same price, which one would you choose?’ said Jim Fackrell, executive director of the Blaine County Housing Authority.”

“The asking prices for three three-bedroom, two-car garage homes designated as deed-restricted, affordable housing in the Woodside subdivision of Hailey have been reduced $20,000 each from $244,000 to $220,000. The homes have been on the market since 2006 and were recently listed by real estate agent Kris Halle.”

“Halle says his listing of the homes marks the first time a real estate agent has been used to market affordable housing in Blaine County. ‘The falling market has caused buyers to scrutinize these units more closely. There are similar homes on the same street with asking prices at $279,000,’ he said.”

“He also said buyers know they can take more time to make a decision in today’s market. ‘There has been some aggressive price-cutting after 10 years in which the seller was king,’ he said. ‘Now they have to be more flexible in order to sell their homes.’”

“Many who urgently need to sell their homes are finding no buyers and resorting to foreclosure proceedings instead. Sun Valley Title Co. President Manager Cassie Jones reported a ‘dramatic increase’ in foreclosure notices in the valley compared to last year.”

“‘In April of 2007, we listed three homes in foreclosure. This week we have fifty,’ she said. ‘These homes may sell, but the owner will lose any equity they may have in the home.’”

The Mail Tribune from Oregon. “Local housing is continuing its downward slide in prices with a saturated market further influenced by foreclosure sales. Overall, about 2,200 homes are on the market, in the mix with those repossessed properties.”

“‘That’s driving the market right now,’ said Ron Galbreath, an agent in Medford. ‘That’s where we are getting the most activity from homeowners and investors.”

“During the past three months, Jackson County real estate prices — both new and existing — continued their broad decline with pockets of resilience. The inventory of available homes grew by 5 percent. Southern Oregon MLS figures showed a 9.1 percent year-over-year decline to $230,000 in the median sales price of existing homes for the quarter ending Jan. 31. New home sales fell 12.2 percent to a median of $267,000.”

“In a separate report, prepared by local appraiser Roy Wright, focusing on January activity, the median price for all single-family residence sales in January declined 3.7 percent to $247,500. The sales pace dropped 29 percent in January.”

“‘Our slowdown is not as big as it is in some areas, but the interesting thing is that we tend to draw (buyers) from some of those markets,’ said Colin Mullane of REMAX Realty group in Ashland. ‘California is a relatively well-to-do market. Even though things have slowed, there is still independent wealth there. We really do feed off the California market.’”

“‘Right now buyers are looking for the best value, getting the most home they can afford for their dollar, whether it’s Medford, Eagle Point or Central Point,’ Galbreath said. ‘I’ve shown one couple 20-something houses in the $200,000 range in Central Point, Eagle Point and east Medford. They’re taking their time to see if there’s a better one than we looked at the last time.’”

The Bellingham Herald from Washington. “January is typically a slow time of year for residential real estate, but last month was especially quiet.”

“According to data released by the Northwest MLS, real estate agents sold 122 homes and 43 condominiums in Whatcom County, down 15.8 percent compared to the same period last year. The drop was even more significant in the Northwest MLS coverage area, which includes most of Western Washington: 3,622 homes and condos sold in January, down a whopping 35.7 percent from January 2007.”

“Also dropping slightly was the median price for residential homes in Whatcom County.”

“March numbers should show a clearer picture of this year’s housing trend, because spring tends to be a peak time for home buying and selling, said Peter Roberts, an agent for John L. Scott.”

“‘I think it will be a little busier than last year, because I get the sense that many think we’re approaching the bottom of this cycle, and we’ll see more investors coming back into the market, looking for buying opportunities,’ Roberts said.”

“Other nearby counties saw some big drops in home and condominium sales in January. Skagit County saw a 38 percent drop year-over-year, while Snohomish was down 33 percent. King County recorded 1,403 homes and condo sales, down 36 percent from January 2007.”

The Olympian from Washington. “For the second consecutive month, Thurston County home sales fell 30 percent in the year-over-year period, the Northwest MLS reported. The combined house and condo data for Thurston County in January also show that inventory increased 12 percent to 1,880 units from 1,673 units.”

“Broker Phil Harlan said an influx of buyers from Pierce County also continues to prop up home prices. ‘Residents can’t afford a home in one county so they go to the next county,’ Harlan said.”

“Still, Harlan acknowledged that the Thurston County housing market has slowed for homes listed at $300,000 or higher. Homes priced at $300,000 to $400,000 likely could see a 5 percent drop in values, while those $400,000 or higher could reach a 10 percent drop in price, he said.”

“‘The housing market has gone back to pre-2002 levels,’ Harlan said. ‘It has leveled off with normal appreciation.’”

The Seattle PI from Washington. “Seattle-area home prices are manageable for typical workers, according to the chief economist for the National Association of Realtors.”

“‘You may even say Seattle is underpriced if you believe Seattle is becoming a superstar city,’ Lawrence Yun told area brokers in Bellevue on Thursday. ‘Seattle is underpriced in relation to other West Coast markets.’”

“The fact that home prices rose much faster than incomes in recent years in Seattle and elsewhere has led some market observers to predict prices will drop to bring the relationship back to historic norms.”

“Down from a recent high of $481,000 in July, the median King County house sold last month fetched $435,000, up from $429,495 in January 2006, according to the Northwest MLS. January’s house sales volume was off nearly 31 percent from a year earlier, whereas the number of houses on the market jumped almost 56 percent.”

“The founder of the Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts said Seattle has become a ‘World Class’ city. ‘This city is really on the cutting edge of what most cities are hoping to achieve,’ Isadore ‘Izzy’ Sharp said in an interview after speaking to the Downtown Seattle Association.”

“Developer Seattle Hotel Group is building a 149-room Four Seasons Hotel topped by 36 condos on First Avenue, just south of Pike Place Market. The developer has sold 24 of the 36 condos, whose prices range from $2 million to more than $10 million, and expects to finish the project in late summer or early fall.”

“The Four Seasons has its own niche among the slew of condo, hotel and hotel-condo projects under development downtown, because it’s small and high-end, Sharp said. But he also said so many people were building because they saw an opportunity and dismissed the idea that downtown might be approaching saturation.”

“‘I think when a city starts growing, it keeps doing that, particularly when the political support is there,’ he said.”

“Housing sales have scaled back to normal levels from the ‘excessive boom’ of 2003 through 2006 and have stabilized, Yun said. ‘We are probably scratching the bottom in terms of home sales activity.’”

“But Yun noted that the market depends on fence-sitting potential buyers who are afraid of jumping into a market in which prices might continue to fall. ‘It’s hard to predict that psychology factor,’ he said.”

The Seattle Times from Washington. “Laurie Harlan of Lake Stevens found out the hard way just how much the region’s housing market has slowed. In August, after Harlan and her husband decided to divorce, they put their four-bedroom, 2,100-square-foot rambler on the market.”

“Having bought the house 8-½ years ago for $179,000, they figured it would sell within a month or two for the $395,000 asking price. It didn’t. And didn’t. In fact, the sale didn’t close until Friday, when the house fetched $333,000.”

“‘We were obligated to sell it,’ said Harlan, who’s staying temporarily in her husband’s new house in Marysville while she looks for a new home for herself and her three children. ‘Were we happy with the price we got? No.’”

“New listings have continued to pour onto the market, adding to already swollen inventories of homes and condos. There were 28,215 active listings in the region, 46.3 percent above the level a year earlier.”

“Though sales prices have slipped, Bob Melvey, associate broker at Windermere’s Ballard office, said he didn’t sense would-be buyers are holding off to see if they can get a better deal. ‘They do have the luxury of spending a couple of months comparing this house to that one,’ he said. ‘The way the market was before, you could spend less time picking a house than picking out a sweater.’”




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Comment by aqius
2008-02-08 11:47:55

comment:::: ‘I’ve shown one couple 20-something houses in the $200,000 range in Central Point, Eagle Point and east Medford. They’re taking their time to see if there’s a better one than we looked at the last time.’” ::::

please excuse this question if the answer is well known but, having never used a realtor, does a potential buyer have to pay for incidentals incurred while viewing houses under the realtors care? things like gas, starbucks latte’s, or whatever?

If the buyer never purchases a house from the realtor hwo shows them many houses, do both parties just walk away with a handshake & thanks-for-your-time? I’ve often wondered about that arrangement . . .

Comment by Flatlander
2008-02-08 12:04:09

It’s totally on the realtor’s dime. Part of the risk of being on the buying side for a realtor. If you don’t mesh with the realtor or he/she is steering you to homes out of your range/style, just walk away.

 
Comment by Skip
2008-02-08 12:19:52

No, but I have eaten plenty of their cookies at open houses.

Comment by yogurt
2008-02-08 12:57:16

Someone’s a bit unclear on the concept here. Realtors are commissioned salespeople working for the seller and paid by the seller. You don’t owe them anything for their time and gas any more than you owe the car salesman who takes you for a test drive.

Comment by Evil Capitalist
2008-02-08 13:42:55

That’s not the case.
Realtors are comissioned sales people when they represent the seller.
Realtors are comissioned buyers agents when they represent the buyer.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-02-08 13:53:39

Yes, but how many truly negotiate for you, the buyer, versus say things like “well, if you really want it you should put an offer on it” and “you might offend the seller with that offer.”

Bottom line: the buyer’s agent gets paid more when you pay more.

I’ll never use another buyer’s agent unless they can convince me that they can negotiate my offered price for me.

 
Comment by bluprint
2008-02-08 14:26:36

That can be true, but buyers agents are pretty rare. For most people who might ride around with a realtor, the realtor is working on commission as an agent for the seller.

 
Comment by Ted
2008-02-08 15:08:23

One of the biggest problems with this system is that BOTH agents make more when the buyer pays more. The other big problem is no one gets paid at all when someone says No, so there is 100% incentive to “get it done” no matter what.As a result, neither agent is working in anyones best interests.

 
Comment by Leighsong
2008-02-08 15:11:13

Hey All,

We’re using a buyer agent currently (only signed a three month agreement).

Here are the instructions I sent to here with about 20 listings.

Greetings Chris!

We have many we would like to see, but first let’s weed out a few.

Short sale and/or distress sales are always desirable (hey, I didn’t make the rule!) LOL.

We’d like to know the purchase price the owner paid.

We’d like to weed out those who are HELOCed to their eyeballs. There’s no wiggle room with such ones.

Absolutely NO speculator/investors.

Also appraisal report no older than four month and/or area comparables.

Those that rubber stamp with no contingencies will NOT be considered, as we reserved the right to an independent appraiser/home inspector of our choice.

Did I forget anything? Tell me what you would add.

Personally, I don’t think we’ll find what we want and we’ll end up designing and building again…sigh.

Oh, and for those who don’t already know, we’re retired and do not want to wait this out for 10-15 years.
Leigh ;)

 
Comment by salinasron
2008-02-08 16:48:11

Any buyers agent should provide you with any liens on the property, variances, code restriction, flooding, settling or earth movement, pending plat developments, tax structure, environmental laws that may impact the property, stability of the neighborhood, amenities nearby, etc.

 
 
Comment by Shizo
2008-02-08 14:48:51

Never sign an ageement to have a realtor be your “exclusive buying rep” or (depending on the wording) they are entitled to a cut for up to 6-months, even if you don’t use them (depending on state law). When I lived in southern Colorado, a Realtor tried this on me, I laughed so hard the whole office looked at me. Meanwhile I made a beeline toward the door.

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Comment by bluprint
2008-02-08 12:59:14

The seller is paying for the realtor, not the buyer. The service being provided is that of trying to sell the house. The realtor is not providing the buyer with any service.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-02-08 13:01:22

“The realtor is not providing the buyer with any service.”

Ain’t that the truth!

Memo to all the buyers out there: You’re on your own. Don’t expect the real estate agents to help you any more than car salespeople do.

Comment by cayo_ron
2008-02-08 15:22:08

You took the words out of my mouth, Slim. I don’t understand why I would use a buying agent for a house anymore than I would for a car, in the Internet age. I may pay an attorney a flat fee for anything tricky.

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Comment by Jerry M
2008-02-08 13:27:34

Buyers “always” pay the commission. Buyer buys, commission paid in escrow, house sold! Buyer does not buy, no commission paid. It always is the buyer’s money that pays for everything! Try the reverse and see what happenings?

Comment by bluprint
2008-02-08 14:17:41

Really, so does the buyer pay a realtor who shows him around? No. Does the buyer negotiate a commission with the realtor? Hmm..no. Commission is negotiated between the seller and agent at time of listing. Agent is paid from proceeds of the sale, which at that point belong to the seller.

(Except buyers agents, which are not the norm)

Sorry Jack, just because the buyer brings the cash doesn’t mean the buyer is the one for whom all others work. That’s not the way life works.

The reason this is important is because of the agent/principal relationship. The realtor is an agent of the person who pays, meaning they must represent the best interests of that person. In most cases, the seller is the principal.

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Comment by pinch-a-penny
2008-02-08 14:24:02

And that is why realtors are not to be trusted… They are never on the buyer’s side of the equation, and will do anything, cheat, lie, steal, put in fake bids, etc, to sell you an overpriced POS.
Sorry but the age of the realtor/ used home salesperson is coming to an end. I can do better for myself using the internet, and the free databases that show all the sales history, before I even step into the house.

 
Comment by bluprint
2008-02-08 14:40:10

That’s true and unfortunately is something more people should be aware of. If you are shopping, the realtor is almost certainly not working for you. In fact, they might be working against you.

 
Comment by cayo_ron
2008-02-08 15:26:54

Bluprint, I don’t think Jerry’s saying that the realtors are “working” for the buyer, merely the fact that, ultimately the commission does come out of the buyer’s pocket. After all, if a house is selling for 100,000 and the seller clears 94,000, ain’t no reason why the seller couldn’t just sell the house directly for 94K to the buyer. So when there’s a realturd involved, obviously the buyer’s paying that extra 6 grand to the agent.

 
Comment by bluprint
2008-02-08 15:46:15

But the buyer isn’t paying. I agree that having a realtor affects the process. If both buyer and seller can come together directly, the price (in your example) would likely be to split the 6k (depending on elasticity I guess).

Anyway, as I pointed out, just because the buyer is providing cash doesn’t mean the buyer is the one paying all the bills. If I sell something, and then, say, pay my supplier with the cash from my sales, it cannot be said that the buyer is paying my supplier. In this case, we need to look further into the transaction to determine whom is getting paid by who.

 
 
Comment by bluprint
2008-02-08 14:21:19

It always is the buyer’s money that pays for everything!

Is it the buyer’s money that pays for the shoes the seller buys the next day? Nope. The money used to buy those shoes no longer belongs to buyer at the time the shoes are purchased.

Likewise, the money used to pay commission no longer belongs to be buyer at the time commission is paid.

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Comment by Tim
2008-02-08 15:03:48

Economically it is (or should be) irrelevant how you classify who pays the commission. This is because you should always get a seller down to the minimum he will except net of transaction costs. Whether buyer pays and raises the min he will accept or buyer pays and offers an equal amount less should be a wash.

 
Comment by bluprint
2008-02-08 15:11:54

It matters if for no other reason than the principal/agent relationship which is a real legal issue.

Also, there are tax implications to who can deduct what charges.

 
Comment by Tim
2008-02-08 15:22:48

True from the perspective of various parties, and technically accurate. I have heard realtors say things like “dont worry, the seller pays for that” as if that means that such costs should be irrelevant to buyer. I meant to address the issue that from the buyer’s perspective that it does matter to them even if the seller is deemed to be the paying party because it effects the min the seller will accept. At least it should in a perfect information world.

 
Comment by cayo_ron
2008-02-08 15:29:53

Exactly, Tim. Apparently some people don’t realize that just because “the seller pays for that” doesn’t mean it’s not built into the price the buyer ultimately pays.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-02-08 15:55:02

Again with that who pays that phoney “buyers agent” CRAP.

Unless the Seller is underwater and HAS to come to the closing table with loan difference payoff CASH, the Buyer is the ONLY one that REALLY brings HIS Money and PAYS FOR EVERYTHING directly or INDIRECTLY one way or another in the the PRICE of the overpriced POS.

Sheesh :)

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Comment by Frank Giovinazzi
2008-02-08 14:16:11

The banks pay the commission, via mortgage funds. Sellers and buyers should all get a grip on themselves, they’re playing with OPM, all day long.

 
Comment by librashell
2008-02-08 15:51:38

The seller AND the buyer are paying for the realtor. The seller takes the realtor’s commission, etc. into consideration when setting the price and usually only negotiates to a point where they can make some sort of profit AFTER the realtor gets his/her cut. Ergo, the loan the buyer takes out to pay for whatever amount is agreed to for a house is covering that realtor’s commission. NO realtor works for anyone other than him/herself.

Comment by cayo_ron
2008-02-08 17:30:49

And if they didn’t have to take the realtor commission into consideration, they could sell the house for LESS and still make the same profit, so we are back to the buyer paying the commission, plain and simple. If the seller doesn’t have to build the commission into the price, the buyer can buy it for less and the seller clears the same. Not to say they can’t split the difference, but either way, the commission is effectively paid 100% by the buyer. For example, seller wants to clear 97,000. Lets say the buyer doesn’t have an agent, thus saving 3% because the realtor will negotiate a discount just for argument’s sake. So, who would have to pay 100,000, more or less, to get the house? The buyer!
Now, assuming the seller doesn’t have a realtor, he’s not going to sell for $97,000 to give $3,000 away; he should be able to sell it to the same guy for $100,000 assuming that’s market value, so no, the buyer didn’t pay the realtor a commission but only because he didn’t have to. I don’t know why this is so hard to understand.

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Comment by Tim
2008-02-08 14:46:13

Most buyers agents ask you to sign an exclusive agency contract before they show you houses that obligate you to use them to represent you in any contract to purchase a home during the subject time period and to pay them a commission in connection with the sale. Such contracts dont normally address incidentals, and are usually concerned with preventing you from cutting them out of deal if you purchase or working with more than one agent. I usually refuse to sign, or have it limited to houses they showed me so I can still find deals on my own and cut them out. Most accept this.

Comment by Tim
2008-02-08 14:58:14

Not that the payment of a commission doesnt necessarily require you to pay them. Just that they are entitled to pull it out of the transaction from closing proceeds.

 
 
Comment by flatffplan
2008-02-08 15:06:12

if you have internet access why would you need a realtor ?
make your offer contingent on financing and inspection and you deposit to an escrow attorney, which you to use anyway, and party on

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-02-09 01:36:00

Utility of a buyers agent depends, I think, on how much you know about real estate and how comfortable you are with the process.

On my first home purchase, my buyers agent showed me a few houses in the areas I was interested in but I ended up liking best one I had found on the internet myself.

He gave me reasonable advice to help me decide what I was looking for. In the end, I chose a 4 BR in a better school district expecting to eventually sell to a move up family. (Thus the interest in better schools, even though I had no kids.) The other house I seriously considered was a smaller less expensive 3BR house in a nice newish development across the highway from a large group of medical buildings about a mile from my job. Best potential resale target in this case was a medical professional with no or a small family.

A third house my fiance really liked was an even bigger 5 BR house at about the same price as the 4 BR (gee, wonder why?) in a not so hot school district city, a block from a small park with many nearby apartments. Who would be buying this house from us? Someone moving up from a smaller house with a 5 BR family who could afford it the high relative price for the area, yet for some reason didn’t care that they would be sending their kids to the Irving Texas schools.

Being a total newbie, none of this resale consideration would likely have occurred to me without advice.

The buyers agent also wrote the purchase contract and kept me informed and understanding as things moved through to closing.

I feel I got my (or the sellers) money’s worth.

 
 
 
Comment by SteveH
2008-02-08 11:50:57

It’s good to see Seattle finally showing up (or down). Just anecdotal data, but I do a lot of walking and always check out for sale fliers; I have seen houses sitting for 4-5 months, and almost everyone has a ‘price reduced’ tag on the sign. Some of the prices just make me laugh out loud. I think it will soon get real.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-02-08 13:02:40

I can think of one Tucson house that’s been “reduced price” since September 2006.

Comment by Thelonius
2008-02-08 14:11:19

Prices are still crazy though almost everywhere. In Portland $250 per sq ft is the norm and you can’t find anything under around $150, which is twice the pre-bubble prices. Ditto Miami.

This bubble is still a bubble. It might not be back to reality until halfway into the next administration.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-02-08 11:51:29

Welcome to the latest incarnation of…

“Superstar Larry”

“‘You may even say Seattle is underpriced if you believe Seattle is becoming a superstar city,’ Lawrence Yun told area brokers in Bellevue on Thursday. ‘Seattle is underpriced in relation to other West Coast markets.’”

Comment by aladinsane
2008-02-08 11:59:58

Or perhaps…

“Larryenzo Llamas”

Seattle, did I ever tell you, I think your real estate looks marvelous?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-02-08 12:04:34

I wonder if Seattle’s J6Ps are paid “superstar” wages?

I know that there is so much that makes Seattle “special”: the constant cloud cover, the seemingly endless rain. And all the girls have Google stock options.

Comment by reuven
2008-02-08 12:23:07

And all the girls have Google stock options

Google’s down here, in Silicon Valley. They have Microsoft stock options up there!

I like Seattle. I visit a few times a year. But it’s overrun with grunge-herion-addict kids.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-02-08 13:04:15

True, but Microsoft options are sooooo 1990s. :-)

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Comment by deejayoh
2008-02-08 17:42:36

I live in Seattle. I don’t think it’s a “superstar city” but neither is it “overrun with grunge-herion-addict kids.”. Perhaps you are mistaken about the date and you actually visited in 1991, or have reality confused with a recent viewing of the movie “Singles”?

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Comment by sm_landlord
2008-02-08 15:16:52

The weather in Seattle is so depressing that it leads to jokes such as the one about Microsoft installing Prozac dispensers in the bathrooms.

But it *is* green there much of the year. And I guess it’s not quite as dreary as Bellingham. And there *are* a lot of coffee shops. Now if they would just keep the rental cars pre-heated at the airport…

 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-02-09 01:41:21

I saw data on the average (AVERAGE) software salary (including bonus and options, etc.) in about 1990 IIRC was $300,000. Obviously, the MS people had very much skewed the curve at that point in time.

 
 
Comment by WaitingForREO
2008-02-08 16:36:50

The bluest skies you’ve ever seen are in Seattle
And the hills the greenest green, in Seattle
Like a beautiful child, growing up, free an’ wild
Full of hopes an’ full of fears, full of laughter, full of tears
Full of dreams to last the years, in Seattle
. . . in Seattle!

http://kokomo.ca/pop_standards/seattle_lyrics.htmhttp://kokomo.ca/pop_standards/seattle_lyrics.htm

 
 
Comment by jetson_boy
2008-02-08 12:12:04

“‘You may even say Seattle is underpriced if you believe Seattle is becoming a superstar city,’ Lawrence Yun told area brokers in Bellevue on Thursday. ‘Seattle is underpriced in relation to other West Coast markets.’”

In other words, prices in Seattle might not have gotten to the totally unaffordable, unsupportable prices that California has. SO I suppose ” Underpriced” must mean that people can actually afford the payments without making you bankrupt?

Something doesn’t make any sense in that comment.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-02-08 12:28:26

Possible translation - “Keep your six figure job in California, but buy a house in Seattle.”

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-02-08 13:55:48

PS - there was a story 2 years ago in Portland’s Willamette Week - weekly rag mag - about people in Southern California buying a house in Portland and renting a place in LA or SD.

They’d get on a plane on Sunday night, work in LA/SD all week, then fly back here on Friday afternoon. Completely idiotic, just to “own” a home.

Comment by sm_landlord
2008-02-08 15:20:36

I know a guy who commuted weekly from Portland to LA for at least a year, because well-paying jobs had dried up in Portland.

He finally moved down here and is renting while saving up the bucks to move home eventually.

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Comment by SDGreg
2008-02-08 14:53:41

Is Seattle really “underpriced” relative to other West Coast markets? Median home prices appear to be about 10x median income,not too different from other West Coast markets and hardly “manageable for typical workers”.

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2008-02-08 12:20:39

I love this, from the Montana item: “The supply of land and housing being created is already more than the demand.” Ha ha! We knew all along that they were Making More Land, despite realtwhores assertions to the contrary.

Comment by Incredulous
2008-02-08 13:34:32

I thought everybody wanted to move to Montana. It’s way high on my list right under Kansas and North Dakota.

Comment by Not_In_Montana
2008-02-08 13:40:21

Best news I’ve had all day, lol.

Comment by MacAttack
2008-02-08 14:27:05

Moving to Montana soon…
Gonna be a dental floss tycoon…

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Comment by Incredulous
2008-02-08 14:41:18

Do they floss there, or just yank another tooth out every ten years to mark their age?

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-02-08 15:39:28

Won’t you meet me in Montana.
I wanna see the mountains in your eyes.
Woah, woah, I had all of this life I can handle.
Meet me underneath that big Montana sky.

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Comment by Dinasmom
2008-02-08 20:15:48

Drove north of Phoenix to Sedona and the Grand Canyon last October for our 30th anniversary. So many rows of houses out there for miles. I couldn’t help wondering how all that is sustainable anyway in the desert, unless like Taliesen, there’s a water source on the property. BTW- gorgeous places in Arizona.
I’d move there in a heartbeat under the right circumstances.

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2008-02-08 12:25:55

“Many who urgently need to sell their homes are finding no buyers and resorting to foreclosure proceedings instead.”

No, I don’t think so. Those who have been trying to sell are not “resorting” to foreclosure proceedings. Their lenders will resort to foreclosure proceedings, and then will go through their own period of Finding No Buyers.

 
Comment by palmetto
2008-02-08 12:32:02

“The founder of the Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts said Seattle has become a ‘World Class’ city.”

What does that even mean? When someone starts labelling something “World Class”, get a chastity belt for your buttocks, because it means trouble’s coming. I worked for a Midwestern manufacturer that was doing just fine, until it hired an idiot marketing manager who started touting the company as “World Class” and hollowed it out but good. Wore his hair slicked back like his hero, Gordon Gekko. The guy’s greatest “talent” was to come up with meaningless buzz words.

Comment by phillygal
2008-02-08 14:03:09

To me World Class means your main airport has its directional signs in at least four languages, one of which is English.

(the signs that point you to baggage claim, tell you to not be a terrorist, etc.)

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-02-08 14:52:24

Questions on the US immigration questionnaire:

Have you ever been a drug abuser or addict, or trafficker of controlled substances?

Have you ever received welfare, Medicare or public benefits in the U.S.?

Do you seek to enter the United States to engage in any unlawful activity?

Have you ever ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person because of race, religion, national origin, or political opinion under the control, direct or indirect, of the Nazi Government of Germany, or of the government of any area occupied by, or allied with, the Nazi Government of Germany, or have you ever participated in genocide?

Yes, I know about perjury, and yes, I know about Al Capone but I really want to see someone answer “Yes” to the genocide question!

Fo’ shizzle, y’all!

You can’t make this sh!t up.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-02-09 01:44:49

5. Are you bringing in any salmon from Alaska, and if so DID YOU FRIKKING REMEMBER TO PUT A BAG AROUND IT AND TIE YOUR IDIOTIC CARDBOARD ICE BOX SECURELY SHUT??

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Comment by Graspeer
2008-02-08 14:03:48

Since the average person out of the 7 billion in the world can’t afford to stay at Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts in any city I think that calling yourself “World Class” is not a complement.

Comment by Graspeer
2008-02-08 14:12:13

“‘I think when a city (Seattle) starts growing, it keeps doing that, particularly when the political support is there,’ he said.”

Isn’t that what they were saying in places like Miami and Las Vegas? Are the politicians going to buy all those expensive condos and houses?

Comment by Shizo
2008-02-08 14:56:21

They already own too many, why do you think they are trying to “step in” to help out the home owners? They are protecting their own investments! That is the untold story here folks.

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Comment by b-hamster
2008-02-08 12:32:14

fwiw, the home I bought in Bellingham in 2006 (possibly at peak) has remained roughly flat in price. But it is a home and not an investment opportunity, so it really isn’t a big concern.

Comment by palmetto
2008-02-08 12:50:54

Same for a relative of mine, who purchased in Kirkland around the same time. I tried to talk him out of purchasing, but he and the spouse wanted a home for their family and were fleeing SoCal, where they had been renters for a very long time. They were anxious to put down roots and they love Kirkland and are having a ball, so I’m not saying another word. I have to give them a lot of credit, they were renters for such a long time and resisted the pressure to buy from their SoCal buddies. Much as I want to see property values fall, I don’t want these folks to become disenchanted with their home. As long as they can afford it, I guess it is OK. They’re just happy to be in a community they love.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-02-08 13:04:36

Your relative bought for the right reasons. Putting down roots, being in a community they love, and having a ball. Can’t argue with that.

Comment by palmetto
2008-02-08 13:27:23

I think so, Slim. God knows, I was concerned for them and still am, if their fortunes turn. Price was like $400,000 and it is a pleasant house, nothing special, on a tree lined street in a nice enough neighborhood. I really had hoped they’d rent and wait for prices to go down. Heck, I grew up in a rented home myself. But they waited so long to buy, so I can understand their impatience.

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Comment by b-hamster
2008-02-08 13:25:22

I too wanted to put down roots and moved for the quality of life (in spite of the ugly sprawl developing on the outskirts of town). I have a tiny home, so considering the cost of living, there will always be a demand for these entry-level homes. The market seems to be strong in the high- and low-end homes. The market for the $300-$750k homes is quite soft. Of course my realtor friends tell me it is a great time to buy.

But I do not understand the people that move up here from places they’ve trashed and then then bring their crappy lifestyles with them. Fortunately, the perpetual rain and clouds send many back south after a year or two. The person that moves here based upon a beautiful summer vacation is screwed when winter rolls around. But I digress.

Comment by palmetto
2008-02-08 13:49:14

Ah, what the heck, lotta people are pissed off at other people moving into their area. I can understand it, I’ve seen it myself in certain parts of Florida that are not usually as transient as the other parts. All this moving around is part of the bubble, it has destabilized communities and entire regions. When I moved to Fla in 1979, I was one of those Northern carpetbaggers that Floridians hoped would only come seasonally, drop the money and leave. But I stayed. Now I’m one of those guys that hates to see all the upheaval here. Seriously, it has made me sick at heart. I’m so danged angry at the developers, I’d spit in their mothers’ faces.

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Comment by Incredulous
2008-02-08 14:16:11

What a visual.

 
Comment by Kandy Kane-DelMoir
2008-02-08 15:44:09

Yeah, preach it, palmetto! It may be an ugly image, but it’s true: their mothers ain’t raised ‘em right. Or their daddies, or Satan or whoever it was had charge of ‘em. Somebody messed up somewhere, and that somebody is long overdue for a loogie.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-02-08 13:58:37

“I too wanted to put down roots and moved for the quality of life”

then,

“(in spite of the ugly sprawl developing on the outskirts of town).”

LOL. You do realize that these two things are NOT mutually exclusive, don’t you.

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Comment by Groundhogday
2008-02-08 12:38:46

“‘I think it will be a little busier than last year, because I get the sense that many think we’re approaching the bottom of this cycle, and we’ll see more investors coming back into the market, looking for buying opportunities,’ Roberts said.”

6 months of downturn and we’re at the bottom of the cycle.

Comment by HappyHouseHunting
2008-02-08 13:20:48

It is amazing that everyone waits for the “infestors” to come back. Are they like carrion to let you know the battle is over?

 
Comment by Betamax
2008-02-08 13:53:19

He needs to talk to someone other than fellow Koolaid junkies. We’ve heard all that before, and we know it turns out different.

 
Comment by WaitingForREO
2008-02-08 16:57:38

“…I get the sense that many think we’re approaching the bottom.”

Can an expression contain more qualifiers?!

His web site claims, “Straightforward counsel and answers”
http://www.johnlscott.com/agentdetail.aspx?UA=1&ic=1453907

Should probably consider psychic work once the RE thing’s over.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2008-02-08 12:45:29

‘In nine of 11 years we’ve built more than the demand.’

Ahh… it’s Friday and this is a great snippet to start my weekend with.

 
Comment by aimeejd
2008-02-08 12:51:46

“Having bought the house 8-½ years ago for $179,000, they figured it would sell within a month or two for the $395,000 asking price. It didn’t. And didn’t. In fact, the sale didn’t close until Friday, when the house fetched $333,000.”

“‘We were obligated to sell it,’ said Harlan, who’s staying temporarily in her husband’s new house in Marysville while she looks for a new home for herself and her three children. ‘Were we happy with the price we got? No.’”

$154,000 in appreciation over 8 years, and they wearn’t happy with the price they got? Why the heck not?

Comment by palmetto
2008-02-08 13:00:14

“Why the heck not?”

Probably because they have to split it.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-02-08 13:06:27

$154,000 in appreciation over 8 years, and they wearn’t happy with the price they got? Why the heck not?

Probably because they know someone in a better location who made 2-3X as much.

 
Comment by spike66
2008-02-08 13:13:07

It’s a used house, and they have three kids who probably gave the place a workout, and they’re not happy with 150k in profit.
Greedmonkeys.

 
Comment by midwesterner
2008-02-08 13:33:29

154,000 in appreciation over 8 years, and they wearn’t happy with the price they got? Why the heck not?

Maybe they refinanced and already got their money out earlier. Now they want more.

 
Comment by aimeejd
2008-02-08 14:27:45

Probably because they have to split it.

Probably because they know someone in a better location who made 2-3X as much.

Maybe they refinanced and already got their money out earlier. Now they want more.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

 
Comment by gascap
2008-02-08 14:53:10

Washington State has a nice little real estate excise tax of 1.9% when you go to sell your house. Almost no one evens knows about it until they go to sell their home there (realtors certainly never mention it to potential buyers). So add that to the realtor fee and closing costs, so count on an instant negative 10% equity position from the day you buy a house there. Several times I would mention it to homeowners there and they just looked at me like I had 2 heads. On the plus side there is no state income tax.

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-02-08 13:26:40

“It’s my personal opinion that the Kalispell and Columbia Falls markets in the next couple of years the values will baseline or slightly increase while the Whitefish market will be like the 2001 .com bubble,” he said.

1 out of 3 right! Why did these areas get into this situation? Are they part of the Calgary tar sands boom or coal boom? This is just crazy

Comment by Not_In_Montana
2008-02-08 13:45:48

It’s kinda like Sun Valley or Jackson Hole there. They’ve got a big ski hill, Flathead Lake, Glacier Park and an artsy downtown scene. Then add equity locusts from all over.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-02-08 14:01:49

Yeah, but Kalispell and Whitefish are only about 20 miles apart, no?

How can one be immune and the other doomed?

Comment by Steve W
2008-02-08 15:08:51

Well, as we know, everything’s doomed, but the only difference is that the median price is way lower in Kalispell and the falls. Per the article, 209K and 187K respectively.

I can’t believe the median is that high in Whitefish. Pretty place, but quite far from just about anything. Summer is what, 8 weeks long out there? Last time I went hiking in Glacier we were snowed upon in late August.

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Comment by Not_In_Montana
2008-02-08 15:23:41

Kalispell was getting kinda pricey too, but Whitefish has some sort of cachet like Sun Valley-Ketchum. Movie stars, pro athletes etc. Columbia Falls is close too but it’s more of an industrial town. They’ve all seen huge increases in 10 years though. I sure as hell got priced out.

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Comment by smf
2008-02-08 14:33:43

“Last year there was an estimated need for 992 homes while about 1,093 were actually constructed. ‘The demand goes up and down. There’s been a drop in demand, but we still build homes,’ Kelley said. ‘In nine of 11 years we’ve built more than the demand.’”

If little areas overbuilt for so long, imagine how much excess was built in really bubbly areas.

And let us not forget that this includes rentals that were built to cater to those that were ‘priced out’.

 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-02-08 15:21:25

Having bought the house 8-½ years ago for $179,000, they figured it would sell within a month or two for the $395,000 asking price. It didn’t. And didn’t. In fact, the sale didn’t close until Friday, when the house fetched $333,000.”

“‘We were obligated to sell it,’ said Harlan, who’s staying temporarily in her husband’s new house in Marysville while she looks for a new home for herself and her three children. ‘Were we happy with the price we got? No.’”

well Laurie. You doubled your purchase price and got it sold. I think you should consider yourself lucky. But the lack of ungratefulness shows why you may have had to sell. Actions speak louder than words.

 
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