February 22, 2008

Is It Quieter Than It Was? Yes, Way Quieter

The Flathead Beacon reports from Montana. “With 252 foreclosures, Flathead County had the highest foreclosure rate of any county in the state last year, according to RealtyTrac. That meant a 66 percent jump over 2006’s 152 foreclosed homes. Local real estate professionals are short on answers for why Flathead would outpace other Montana counties with foreclosures, suggesting only that the incredible boom in growth in the past decade would naturally lend itself to an increase in foreclosures as well.”

“‘Is it quieter than it was? Yes, way quieter,’ said broker Mary Kay Myett. ‘But, to the point where a lot of foreclosures are on the market? No.’”

“‘One of the things looking out over the next few years is that we may still see more foreclosures as some more people get into trouble as they adjust up and can’t afford their new rates,’ Myett said. ‘If the market remains healthy though, they’ll hopefully be able to put their house up and sell and get out from under that.’”

“Paul Polzin, director of the Bureau of Business and Economic Research at the University of Montana, said Flathead’s foreclosure rate was ‘way above’ rural, eastern parts of the state and comparable to larger, more metropolitan areas like Boise and Spokane. Still, he said, Flathead and the state don’t compare to the worst-hit locales.”

“‘We have not avoided the foreclosure problems or the housing price bubble bursting, but they do seem less severe in this area,’ he said.”

The Idaho Statesman. “Dan Hernandez, the newly installed president of the Ada County Association of Realtors, now heads an organization of some 4,000 Ada County Realtors who are struggling to weather the worst sales downturn in recent memory.”

“Q: In your 14 years, have you ever seen a market as bad as this one? A: This is nothing. I was in Los Angeles when the market crashed in the beginning of 1990. The market almost died overnight and seemed to hit rock bottom. So this is nothing.”

“Q: But there are lot of things putting downward pressure on home prices nationwide. Why hasn’t it happened here?”

“A: Because Boise continues to be one of the most desirable places to live in the nation. I deal with quite a few out-of-state buyers. I’m going to have to use the C word here, but the majority are still coming in from California. The number of Californians who have been able to sell their homes has dropped off because that market is flat. But those that are successful in selling want out and are still moving here. Boise is their location of choice.”

“Q: What about those median prices? A: If you look at other areas, they mention having home appreciation of 35 percent or even 50 percent. We didn’t have that. We went up 20 percent. But averaged over five years, we’re a solid 10 percent a year.”

“People here ask me when is the housing bubble is going to burst. My response is that there is no bubble because what we’ve had was steady growth that has been relatively conservative compared to what we have seen elsewhere. When appreciation rates shoot straight up, they’re bound to come back down. And that’s what’s happening elsewhere.”

“Q: Was having so many outside investors here bad for the market? A: I can’t say yes and I can’t say no. But I look back at the level of investors we had, and it was bad for the community. I saw many transactions where the buyers were investors who wrote and offer on new construction with the expectation that by the time the transaction closed there would already be some equity there. And when it did not reach the level that they anticipated, I saw investors bail, giving up there ernest money just to get out.”

“Q: Will we see investors returning to the Treasure Valley? A: I think Californians are ‘flirting’ with the Idaho housing market.”

“Q: We’re seeing a lot of foreclosures locally. Won’t dumping that many homes on the market depress home values even more? A: As I mentioned before, I’m still selling homes - even with the high numbers of homes out there that are in default. I know many agents are working the default market and are doing quite well.”

“One recent Saturday, agent Edenn Jablonski spent two hours escorting potential buyers through Jeremy and Jennifer Higley’s home adjacent to the back nine at Hillcrest Country Club. The couple bought their 2,000-square-foot, four-bedroom, two-bath home in the Central Club Manor subdivision as a HUD repo for $84,000 on Sept. 10, 2001.”

“Since then, Jeremy Higley estimates he and his wife have invested $30,000 in the house, including new plumbing, handmade cabinets in the kitchen, and a master suite featuring walk-in closets, a jetted soaker tub, and French doors leading to a 20-by-10 deck.”

“The Higleys dropped their original asking price from $254,000 to $229,000, then again to $209,000.”

“‘We wanted to be aggressive, because we want to expand our business,’ Jeremy Higley said. ‘We need a place with acreage and plenty of garage space. Plus, we’re hoping to pick up a good deal in a bad market.’”

“But the Higleys have not come to terms with the lone offer on their house so far. The early results on their open house were not encouraging, either.”

The Oregon City News. “Nearly three months after liquidating 141 homes in what is thought to be the biggest housing auction in Oregon history, homebuilder Buena Vista Custom Homes plans to finish selling off its inventory with another auction.”

“On Saturday, March 8, Buena Vista will attempt to sell 44 homes and 18 buildable lots. Of the total 62 properties, 43 are in Happy Valley.”

“Fifty-eight Happy Valley homes sold during the Dec. 15 and 16 mega-auction. ‘The first auction was so successful,’ said Buena Vista spokesman Andy Lucich. ‘The goal is to clear the inventory so Buena Vista can be buyers again in this market.’”

“Twenty-five of the homes that will be up at this auction were sold at the last auction in December, but the sales fell through.”

“‘Some of the houses that were sold at the auction fell through at the title [signing],’ Lucich said. ‘In Beaverton where some of the homes were selling really well, one guy tried to buy like five and couldn’t afford that many, so those will be back up at this auction.’”

“Buena Vista reported that it sold 96 percent of the homes below its secret reserve price, a number that the company said reflects the builder’s costs. ‘I don’t think the public believed that we would sell the homes for the low prices that we did during the first auction and this time the deals are going to be even better,’ said Roger Pollock, owner of Buena Vista Custom Homes.”

“As was the case in the last auction, the homebuilder has set starting bids at prices considerably lower than the ‘previously valued to’ price. Starting bids for houses in Jackson Hills Phase II range from $129,000 to $299,000; listed values for those homes range from $468,950 to $584,950.”

“In the last auction, Sandy resident Luke Lyons had hoped to come home with a Hamilton Ridge purchase, but found that prices quickly skyrocketed past his predetermined price range and that houses sold in less than two minutes.”

“Real estate professionals and would-be homebuyers have criticized the auction for making it look like a bargain-hunting homebuyer’s dream come true, while Buena Vista enjoys frenzied activity in an uncertain market, as well as a decent haul for its efforts.”

“The company’s ‘previously listed up to’ price has come under fire for making certain homes appear to be more valuable than they would be in today’s market.”

“A 4-bedroom, 2.1-bath, 2,261-square-foot home in Hamilton Ridge was advertised in the December auction with a ‘list price’ of $348,950, while a nearly identical home down the street sold two months before for $267,950.”

“‘From a marketing standpoint, it’s kind of a genius way to get every potential buyer to the table in a tough market,’ said local real estate agent Jason Shuler, who had exclusive marketing rights in Hamilton Ridge until the first auction was announced.”

“‘They’re not trying to walk away with bags of money,’ Lucich countered. ‘It’s more about clearing the inventory.’”

The Kitsap Sun from Washington. “Lured by the promise of lower monthly payments, a couple in their 80s trade their 30-year, fixed-rate mortgage for one with an adjustable rate and terms they don’t pay much attention to.”

“Then life happens: big medical bills, the family needs help. Soon, the couple racks up $50,000 in credit card debt. They try to dig out by getting a home-equity line of credit. But the value of their home has plummeted in the slow market. With the new debt and a giant prepayment penalty on the ARM, they don’t qualify.”

“Today, they are close to bankruptcy and may lose their home. This real-life couple joins many others struggling with high-priced home loans they didn’t understand when they got them — and no longer can afford.”

“Marvelle Lahmeyer, a housing counselor with Kitsap County Consolidated Housing Authority, said she’s never seen it so bad. Dozens visit or call her Silverdale office each week. She expects quadruple that volume this year. The tissue box is hopping. ‘The majority of it is they just got a bad loan,’ she said.”

“Last month in Kitsap County, there were 49 bankruptcies, a 29 percent increase over January 2007. Bankruptcies rose 67 percent in Jefferson County, and 275 percent in Mason County.”

“To make matters worse, local employers — school districts, the Navy, retailers and restaurants — are laying off workers or cutting back their hours, Lahmeyer said. Suddenly, a mortgage can take up half their income, and foreclosure becomes a looming prospect.”

“Making it even tougher to get out of bad loans is the lack of appreciation — or depreciation — of the value of homes. ‘They’re upside down on their loans. They own more than the house is worth,’ Lahmeyer said.”

“A new study from the Washington Task Force for Homeowner Security estimates the number of high-priced loans in the Bremerton-Silverdale area at 22 percent, not unlike many other areas in Washington.”

“Kelly Maves, a mortgage-loan officer with Kitsap Bank, said the biggest mistake she sees is that clients simply want to know how big of a mortgage they can get without giving much thought to their monthly budget. She also suggests getting educated on the wide range of available loans and understanding the fine print.”

“‘It’s one of the most important investments you’ll make in your life, and they don’t understand the complications of the loans,’ she said.”

The Columbia Basin Herald from Washington. “Median home prices were up in Grant County as home sales and home prices in the state slipped the last quarter of 2007. The Washington Center for Real Estate Research reported last week the slips in Washington reflected a national downturn.”

“Median home prices jumped the most in Grant County, rising 20.6 percent from the fourth quarter of 2006, to $169,900. The median home sales price in Washington during the fourth quarter was $293,900, down 2.5 percent from the final quarter of 2006.”

“Center Director Glenn Crellin said he didn’t exactly know the reason for the jump in Grant County.”

“‘Obviously, any time we’re dealing with a price change in a relatively small geographic area, such as Grant County, sometime we get statistics that are a little bit of an aberration,’ Crellin said. ‘The sale of comparatively few expensive properties, even the median can be affected by that.’”

“Crellin was familiar with the economic growth going on in the area. ‘Certainly it would play a role,’ he said. ‘(We are) well aware there are several developers that are attempting to put in high-end homes up in the Quincy marketplace, probably more than I would have ever dreamed those data farms would have been able to support.’”

“Other places had ‘rampant speculation” in the housing market, Crellin said…where the amount of new construction was far beyond the population growth in the market places.”

“‘People were buying homes on the expectation it was going to be like any other kind of an investment, that they would be able to turn it around very quickly,’ Crellin said. ‘Once interest rates started to go up and they started to have the problems in the financial markets, everything just dried up at once. The investor-purchasers of that property now are trying to (figure out) what they could possibly do to keep from going bankrupt.’”

“‘I don’t think rapid price increases are going to be prevailing in the long term,’ he said.”

“Chelan County has been leading the nation for several quarters now in terms of price appreciation, Crellin added, so Grant County may be seeing some spillover from that region.”

“Moses Lake real estate agent Rich Engelmann said the rising median price is an indicator of a solid local job and housing market.”

“‘We’re hearing all this talk about how the housing market’s going down and all this gloom and doom, but in our area, the housing market is still good,’ he said. ‘We’re holding steady. That to me speaks good. We’ve got a good base to draw from, so the jobs are there. Everything else is supported, so we’re not going to lose jobs because of it.’”

“Engelmann said the increase is not going to stop. ‘Our housing market is strong, look for prices and stuff to go up this summer,’ he said.”

“Engelmann pointed to the government stepping in to help fund and increase loan limits. ‘The bad lending stuff is getting taken care of,’ he said.”

“‘If I was a home buyer (I) would buy,’ he said. ‘It’s a buyer’s market and it’s going to change by summer time. The next six months, we could see it taking off again.’”




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Comment by calex
2008-02-22 12:16:27

OT, but I am curious about where the “Suzanne researched this” came from. I get the jest of the meaning..some idiot know it all pulled some numbers out of her azz and convensed some FB to pay more than they should. But where did it come from.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-02-22 12:22:48

I don’t know, but I think she changed her name and moved to Washington.

Comment by deejayoh
2008-02-22 14:13:26

LOL. Moses Lake is windswept wide spot on the freeway (which runs right through the middle of the eponymous lake)

look for prices and stuff to go up this summer
stuff like foreclosures

Comment by mefulingyu
2008-02-23 09:44:53

Hot as hell in the summer and cold as the dickens in winter. And flat and ugly too. Yep, THAT sounds like the garden spot of the planet to me.

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Comment by CashOnlyPlease
2008-02-22 15:37:31

We prefer to call it “Moses Hole”.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-02-22 18:25:31

NooooooOOOOOOOO!

 
 
Comment by midwesterner
2008-02-22 12:56:16

it was a realtor commercial on tv…if that’s the question you are asking

 
Comment by Left LA Behind
2008-02-22 12:59:55

Here is the brow-beater classic:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ubsd-tWYmZw

Comment by calex
2008-02-22 14:09:38

Wow, just wow. I never saw that before, but exactly as I had imagined. Some people need jail time for this mess.

 
 
Comment by bluto
2008-02-22 13:11:36

It’s from this commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubsd-tWYmZw
She did a good job too, ” plus the schools”.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-02-22 13:55:15

Don’t forget that little “passive-aggressive” headshake of the wife!

What? WHAT? ;-)

 
 
Comment by Anon E. Moose
2008-02-22 13:11:58

See here. The text posted describing the spot comes from a Slate atricle.

 
Comment by Tim
2008-02-22 13:27:59

In the subject realtor commerical, produced right at the peak or begin of the slide, a wife told her husband that was worried whether he could afford a house and whether we might be in bubble “dont worry “Suzanne [the realtor] researched this.”" The commercial ended with the couple making the purchase. We can guess the rest of story.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-02-22 13:51:10

Foreclosure and divorce or murder/suicide. Take your pick.

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-02-22 18:29:45

Hmmmm…difficult choices… Hey, I know! Why not go for all of ‘em?

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Comment by ugh
2008-02-22 12:20:28

80 years old and they squicked themselves.

They deserve their fate.

Comment by Mr. Drysdale
2008-02-22 13:23:35

Partially - they did run up another $50k in debt, WTF? But I’m guessing either some smooth talking mortgage broker did a number on them or their kids/grandkids convinced them it was okay to advance the inheritance before they used it up on medical bills. They were either too senile or trusting - maybe a little of both. This is one of the sadder stories IMO.

 
Comment by Kim
2008-02-22 13:51:58

80-year-olds should not have mortgages. Period.

Comment by Skip
2008-02-22 15:18:37

I think it depends on the situation…if they are in bad health a 2 year interest only might be the way to go.

 
 
 
Comment by jetson_boy
2008-02-22 12:21:31

I love how the language of realtors has now changed from ” There is no bubble” to- “Well… it might be bad in California, but it isn’t ‘as bad’ here.”

The Boise article was hilarious. Yup- all those Californios are all that they need to count on to save the day.

Comment by Roger H
2008-02-22 13:09:32

The same thing is true here in Austin. For several years, we had waves of Californians coming here and driving the prices through the roof. Now, all of a sudden, for some unexplained reason, the free people from California have stopped showing up.

And Now Surprise! Our real estate market is flatting off. Pending sales are in the toilet and for sale homes are sitting there with no offers.

But, from what I understand, any day now, the free people will start to come again and everything will be good. Huddled masses from Stockton, Bakersfield and the like will bring bags of cash and refill our economy. In CA, people can sell their homes in days for triple what they paid just a few years ago. Things will be good again. Just believe the Realtors!

Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-02-22 13:34:11

(Cue Judy Garland singing…) Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high…

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-02-22 14:39:40

Maybe the Austin REIC should build a big statue of Arnold and offer sacrifices to it?

 
 
Comment by scdave
2008-02-22 13:27:59

They must think they are comming because some MORON just put a 48 unit condo project on the market there called “Boise River PLace” for a cool 9-mil and that is just for the dirt…$187,500. per unit for the dirt….

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-02-22 14:16:03

Don’t you just love those j@ck@sses? I mean median household incomes don’t even support the price of the dirt, yet they think people can afford a completed residence. They deserve to get throttled. How in the hell did these boneheads even become builder/developers? Apparently mental retardation is a prerequisite.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-02-22 14:18:21

Plus everybody wants to live in Boise!

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Comment by MacAttack
2008-02-22 14:42:05

Because there are (were?) almost no barriers to entry.

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Comment by scdave
2008-02-22 14:42:08

But its on the river !!! :)

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2008-02-22 16:19:35

and the Boizee Bozos say the number of Californians able to sell their Cali houses “has fallen off because that market is flat”

If it were FLAT, nothing would’ve FALLEN

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2008-02-22 12:23:44

” Plus, we’re hoping to pick up a good deal in a bad market.’”

I’m getting a little short reading these stories where some idiots think that they can double the price on their property and someone should buy it while in the same ‘bad’ market they can steal something from someone else for less. I for one hope they sit on it all the way down to their purchase price while watching some saver buy that bigger place with acreage at a low ball price.

Comment by Kim
2008-02-22 13:56:06

Ahh… the kind of people who think tulip bulbs are a real steal at $2 a pop. Maybe turn around and sell ‘em for $17,000 some day.

 
 
Comment by Shake
2008-02-22 12:29:38

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aejJZdqodTCM&refer=home#

Banks Lose to Deadbeat Homeowners as Loans Sold in Bonds Vanish
Feb. 22 (Bloomberg) — Joe Lents hasn’t made a payment on his $1.5 million mortgage since 2002.

That’s when Washington Mutual Inc. first tried to foreclose on his home in Boca Raton, Florida. The Seattle-based lender failed to prove that it owned Lents’s mortgage note and dropped attempts to take his house. Subsequent efforts to foreclose have stalled because no one has produced the paperwork.

“If you’re going to take my house away from me, you better own the note,” said Lents, 63, the former chief executive officer of a now-defunct voice recognition software company.

Comment by packman
2008-02-22 13:09:19

That, my friends, is interesting stuff!

Once again - we see the downside to complex financial transactions. Things like this will hopefully teach the banks just to keep the dang mortgages and not slice-and-dice and sell them off. And teach investment companies not to buy such things.

This is probably a large part of the reason why they’re taking such huge write-offs. Not only are they losing tons of $$$ due to writing down foreclosure expenses - but now they lose additional $$$ not even being able to foreclose! At one point do you write off the *entire* loan, rather than just the delta between what’s owed vs. what you can sell the house for in foreclosure?

 
Comment by Eudemon
2008-02-22 23:27:05

What a tool this Lents guy is!

Is he “former” because he was fired, in da clink or because he ran he company into the ground?

Sounds like someone who might have lived in the vicinity of Haight & Ashbury in 1967.

 
 
Comment by mgnyc99
2008-02-22 12:30:47

“‘If I was a home buyer (I) would buy,’ he said. ‘It’s a buyer’s market and it’s going to change by summer time. The next six months, we could see it taking off again.’”

i am willing to take a chance this guy is wrong

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-02-22 12:47:10

Funny advice for him to give to others, not everyday does one meet a guy nice enough to let a stranger in on a sure thing - and at the same time hold back himself. What a kind-hearted soul!

 
Comment by kpom
2008-02-22 13:37:39

You are passing up a once-in-a-lifetime chance to live in Euphrata!

Comment by CashOnlyPlease
2008-02-22 15:40:18

Ah yes, those boyhood memories of vacationing on the shores of Soap Lake!

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-02-22 12:32:59

“‘If I was a home buyer (I) would buy,’ he said. ‘It’s a buyer’s market and it’s going to change by summer time. The next six months, we could see it taking off again.’”

These Damned RE Agents are ALL buying and smoking the Acapulco Gold. No WONDER frigging prices are always going UP :)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-02-22 14:14:42

Next thing you know, there will be an Acapulco Gold bubble.

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-02-22 12:33:35

“But averaged over five years, we’re a solid 10 percent a year.”

And thats not considered a bubble in flyover country ?

 
Comment by HARM
2008-02-22 12:33:46

“Q: In your 14 years, have you ever seen a market as bad as this one?
A: This is nothing. I was in Los Angeles when the market crashed in the beginning of 1990. The market almost died overnight and seemed to hit rock bottom. So this is nothing.”

We’re barely in the second or third inning on this bust, from a bubble peak that was far, far higher than the last one. This bust will make the last one look tiny by comparison.

“Q: But there are lot of things putting downward pressure on home prices nationwide. Why hasn’t it happened here?”
“A: Because Boise continues to be one of the most desirable places to live in the nation. I deal with quite a few out-of-state buyers. I’m going to have to use the C word here, but the majority are still coming in from California. The number of Californians who have been able to sell their homes has dropped off because that market is flat. But those that are successful in selling want out and are still moving here. Boise is their location of choice.”

Yes, everyone ‘wants to live in Boise’. And those CA equity locusts still have plenty of cheap credit and appetite for more risk. I’m sure the 50% or so who are already underwater are ready to jump into the Boise market with no parachute.

“Q: What about those median prices?
A: If you look at other areas, they mention having home appreciation of 35 percent or even 50 percent. We didn’t have that. We went up 20 percent. But averaged over five years, we’re a solid 10 percent a year.”

10%/year is perfectly “normal”. The magnitude of our bubble wasn’t as ridiculous as CA’s, therefore it didn’t happen.

“People here ask me when is the housing bubble is going to burst. My response is that there is no bubble because what we’ve had was steady growth that has been relatively conservative compared to what we have seen elsewhere. When appreciation rates shoot straight up, they’re bound to come back down. And that’s what’s happening elsewhere.”

It’s different here. Oh, and appreciation rates cannot go negative.

“Q: Was having so many outside investors here bad for the market? A: I can’t say yes and I can’t say no. But I look back at the level of investors we had, and it was bad for the community. I saw many transactions where the buyers were investors who wrote and offer on new construction with the expectation that by the time the transaction closed there would already be some equity there. And when it did not reach the level that they anticipated, I saw investors bail, giving up there ernest [sic] money just to get out.”

While I was rolling in commission dough from all those sepculators, I was totally in love with them. Now that they’re gone, I can pretend to have mixed feelings and shift some of the blame away from myself to them.

“Q: Will we see investors returning to the Treasure Valley? A: I think Californians are ‘flirting’ with the Idaho housing market.”

Stick a fork in Idaho for the forseeable future.

“Q: We’re seeing a lot of foreclosures locally. Won’t dumping that many homes on the market depress home values even more?
A: As I mentioned before, I’m still selling homes - even with the high numbers of homes out there that are in default. I know many agents are working the default market and are doing quite well.”

A smaller commission check is better than no commission check at all.

Comment by aNYCdj
2008-02-22 13:29:55

Boise gets 18″ snow a year New York City 23″…and a lot less rain days

But it can get to -15 Below and well over 100 on extreme days
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Stick a fork in Idaho for the forseeable future.

Comment by az_owner
2008-02-22 14:38:25

Isn’t “-15 Below” actually 15 above? ;-)

Comment by Shizo
2008-02-22 16:25:58

A little north of Boise in Coeur d’Alene we saw 140″ of snow this year. Even seasoned locals were whining about it. I personally love it! But as one local commented to me, “It’s population control”. I have already heard many stories of the precious CAli $dollars$ packing up and going home. These for sale signs are multipling quicker than rabbits!

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Comment by SawItComing
2008-02-22 17:14:24

“I saw investors bail, giving up there ernest money just to get out.” Is ernest money the wage you receive from shoveling 16 tons of coal? Or did they mean earnest money?

Shizo, I am in CDA too and cant believe the whining, I am ok with the tailgaters going back to Ca, but it’s not the weather..there are no jobs here. 48% of all employment in Kootenai County is(was) R/E and construction related……oh yea it is different in Idaho, its worse!

And another thing, we have 1100 Realtards with a population on ~225k but Ada county has 4000 Realtards with a population of ~410k. Oh the humanity

 
Comment by MacAttack
2008-02-22 17:19:21

Yeah, Bend has the same issue… Calis bring their equity, buy a “cheap” house, slowly bleed to death, and leave.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-02-22 13:40:38

“As I mentioned before, I’m still selling homes - even with the high numbers of homes out there that are in default. I know many agents are working the default market and are doing quite well.”

Now, I’m not calling him a liar, but would like to see some numbers on that one.

Comment by Kim
2008-02-22 14:00:41

And the question wasn’t even “Are you selling”, but “Won’t dumping that many homes on the market depress home values even more?” The answer is Y-E-S.

 
 
Comment by MontanaAnna
2008-02-22 13:43:12

Yes, everyone ‘wants to live in Boise’.

I call BS! Everyone wants to live in Missoula..lol

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-02-22 14:17:08

And I call double-BS! Everyone wants to live in Tucson!

Comment by az_owner
2008-02-22 14:43:32

You guys are all right - they can have a primary house in Boise, a vacation cabin in Missoula, and a winter retreat in Tucson. Probably also a beach condo in Miami and a small hobby farm in Ohio. Oh, and a timeshare in Maui and a private campground spot outside Yosemite.

Stop thinking so “one-housementionally” - the new paradigm is four or five houses per person. How many do YOU have?

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Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-02-22 14:57:14

Everyone gets one house before anyone gets a second.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-02-22 15:52:22

No, everyone gets 17 houses, and then they all try and “rent them out”. The “bitter renters” will rent them all.

 
 
 
 
Comment by MonkeyPunch
2008-02-22 13:45:30

Because Boise continues to be one of the most desirable places to live in the nation. I deal with quite a few out-of-state buyers. I’m going to have to use the C word here, but the majority are still coming in from California.

Hey, wait a minute…I was told by a local realtor that SEATTLE was one of the most desirable places to live in the U.S. of A. And…and…all of the California equity locusts were coming to SEATTLE.

Next thing you’ll tell me is that these realtors don’t know what they’re talking about! Is that possible? !

Comment by DenverLowBaller
2008-02-22 16:02:40

They are headed to Denver. Surfs up, dude.

 
 
Comment by incessant_din
2008-02-22 13:52:05

No way, everybody wants to live in [insert San/Santa/Rancho/Los] [Insert Person's Name] [Insert "o" or "a" as appropriate] in California.

Comment by BottomFisher
2008-02-22 16:29:30

Howbout Rancho Nada or Rancho Governator or Rancho Deficit

 
 
Comment by Emmi
2008-02-22 16:52:07

>Yes, everyone ‘wants to live in Boise’.

I was in Boise once. It was so boring, I was at risk of falling asleep whilst walking down the sidewalk. That and the fact that the Korean gentleman running the Korean restaurant could not believe I already knew what kimchee was confirmed that it is a cultural black hole. Oh, and everyone is suspiciously nice to everyone else. Places like that make me paranoid. Top that off with restaurants in Idaho being forced by law to cook everything well done be it ahi tuna or a fine steak and I don’t intend to ever bother visiting again.

Comment by shizo
2008-02-22 20:37:19

Please don’t visit again. We like having less people here and more space. Don’t go somewhere and expect it to be like whence you were, why would you leave in the first place? Maybe the lack of neon flashing plastic facade bores you?

And I know what kimchee is, even if the spell checker does not…

Comment by Emmi
2008-02-23 16:10:54

Boy, you couldn’t be more wrong on every assumption you made here. Boise was WAY too much like home, as in the hometown I was so happy to escape after college. Different is good. Quiet is fine, we love quiet, creatively stupefying, not so much. There is just an aura about the place that gave me horrific flashbacks to high school. Brrrrr. After all the issues with our trip, from the non-lake view of the cabin we rented “with lake view”, to the lack of promised sailboat rental and lake access (real estate agents, all the same), to the ice cream shop that refused to sell a junior cone to an adult, to the substandard bbq everyone else raved about, to the guy running the rafting who went on about hitler and gun control, yet gave me a blank stare when I mentioned that the beer hall putsch probably had something to do with that policy, nor had he, of course, ever been to Bavaria, yet was a raving expert on it. No, despite all of those things, the one deal breaker was being forced to eat all of our meat what we would consider ruined. Nothing more tragic then a well-done steak in my book. I feel like I should take off my hat, clutch it over my heart, and say a few words over the plate when that happens.

I’m glad you enjoy Boise and I am sad for you it is being ruined by development, because there should be a place for everyone. And nothing ruins a place more than uncontrolled development. We were only there because of a conference, tell your CVB to stop arranging those, and I’ll try to steer more people away for you.

Oh, the Basque museum was nice. A little propagandaish, but those things usually are and they aren’t pretending it isn’t or anything.

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Comment by Anthony
2008-02-22 12:34:01

“Dan Hernandez, the newly installed president of the Ada County Association of Realtors, now heads an organization of some 4,000 Ada County Realtors who are struggling to weather the worst sales downturn in recent memory.”

Boise has 4,000 realtors?! Seems like a lot for a town of 200,000 people.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-02-22 12:34:57

Pardon my ignorance, but what in the hay is a jetted soaker tub? Is it a tub with high-pressure nozzles that pound you to a pulp while you take a bath?

Comment by Mr. Drysdale
2008-02-22 12:48:21

It’s usually either/or: jetted means a jacuzzi type tub and soaker means a giant tub to soak in (no jets). I think they misspoke.

 
Comment by Hailey
2008-02-22 12:52:53

basically. It’s a deep recessed tub with jets… like a little Jacuzzi in your bathroom.

Comment by Mo Money
2008-02-22 13:42:50

basically it’s something you will never use as it takes too much water and energy to run.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-02-22 13:59:35

No, no, no, you have it all wrong.

I had a friend who left it on all the time because it took “too much time” to heat. Never mind the fact that she rarely used it. Funded by HELOC, of course.

Oh wait! No more HELOC. Cr@p! :-)

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Comment by not a gator
2008-02-24 08:18:37

My god! A year’s gym membership to a tony club with their own jetted hot tubs would be cheaper! Plus you get a personal trainer. [insert name of deity here] @#$!%kwanyinganesh!!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Lefantome
2008-02-22 14:49:54

It’s a fast talkin’ numbers spinnin’ overweight real estate lady that convinces you to grossly overpay for a property.

 
 
Comment by Nathan
2008-02-22 12:39:02

What We’re In For
Projected Economic Impact of the Next Recession
John Schmitt and Dean Baker
January 2008

Interesting article that was just published last month.

http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/JSDB_08recession.pdf

Comment by not a gator
2008-02-24 08:20:53

WTF encoding did they use? I might actually have to download Acrobat reader because Preview interpreted the title line as blue fleur-de-lis and the subtitle as candy swirls. (I kid you not. Open it in Preview and look for yourself, or borrow a friend’s iMac.)

 
 
Comment by Hmmmmm
2008-02-22 12:44:21

Question for the experts. We have a HELOC…evil I know but we bought some mountain property with it. It is a 10 year ARM with a option to convert to a fixed rate at our request. We are done useing the thing and were wondering if this would be a good time to convert it over. Are the interest rates good for this kind of thing? We would rather lock in a rate now than risk the rates jumping up on us.

Comment by 2banana
2008-02-22 12:55:49

Interest rates are still at historic lows. Better to lock in something now than take a chance with a Jimmy Carter infaltion scenario…

 
Comment by Mr. Drysdale
2008-02-22 13:11:15

First of all, nothing evil about a HELOC, if used properly.

What is your ARM tied to? and what would the fixed convert to right now?

Both Long and Short-term rates are extremely good right now. Based on what I see, Short-term (ARM) rates will stay low for the foreseeable future 12 - 18 months, Long-term rates will probably be a little more volatile and not likely to go much lower. Usually, you have to pay a bit of a premium to lock the rate (say 6.75% fixed vs. 6% floating) but it buys you peace of mind.

Personally, I would probably ride out the variable rate for another year before fixing and would use the interest savings and any excess cash to knock down the principal quicker. When the economy strengthens and rates appear headed upward, time to think about locking in a fixed rate.

Comment by CashOnlyPlease
2008-02-22 15:45:35

First of all, don’t trust anyone who says a HELOC is okay if used properly. I’ve got one for you, if you can’t afford it, don’t buy it. Please, no need to thank me.

 
 
Comment by Tim
2008-02-22 13:31:32

I dont know if there are any transaction costs that need to be taken into account since I dont have a copy of the contract, but it is generally a great time to switch to fixed. Again, there may be transaction costs that need to be considered or it might not be a completely market switch from floating to fixed. If so, the analysis would be more complex.

 
 
Comment by watcher
2008-02-22 13:00:39

‘I don’t think the public believed that we would sell the homes for the low prices that we did during the first auction and this time the deals are going to be even better,’

So the first auction buyers were knife catchers…but the next bunch of suckers won’t be?

 
Comment by Rintoul
2008-02-22 13:34:11

‘If the market remains healthy though, they’ll hopefully be able to put their house up and sell and get out from under that.’
—————-
Hey, you can always hope…

 
Comment by stanislaw
2008-02-22 13:34:11

3:30 PM EST, also known as Plunge Protection Time. I believe the time is now. The market closes in 30 minutes

Comment by watcher
2008-02-22 13:39:21

Yep, the market just went vertical. Your tax dollars at work.

 
Comment by packman
2008-02-22 13:43:43

DJI just jumped 150 points in about 10 minutes!!!

 
Comment by watcher
2008-02-22 13:46:23

These end of day jam jobs really rocket the commodities; oil, natural gas and silver just screamed up with the market.

Comment by jim
2008-02-23 17:38:18

Have we come up with a decent explination for this? I know, I know, PPT, but how.

 
 
 
Comment by Tom
2008-02-22 13:36:54

125 point jump in the market in 5 minutes.

WOW!

Comment by Tim
2008-02-22 14:31:37

HOZ is right on his predictions again. Ambac bailout plans being solidified. Thanks for the heads up.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-02-22 14:50:52

‘There’s probably some validity to the rumors,’ said Jim Herrick, manager of equity trading at Baird & Co’

Please at least try to back up your posts.

Comment by Tim
2008-02-22 15:05:18

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&refer=news&sid=akARh7UEgyZ4

I will try to do what I can. Most of what I post comes from my own research, conference calls or emails from reliable sources.

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Comment by WT Economist
2008-02-22 13:38:33

These stories are all new to me, but evidently they go back a long way in the United States, a nation dedicated to life, liberty, and the pursuit of material consumption through debt.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=avuWLnVvoO7E&refer=home

The author of a book on the last years of Thomas Jefferson: “It was heartbreaking — to the extent he allowed himself to realize this — what a vast discrepancy there was between his idea of what his life was going to be like and what in fact it was. He would write to his daughter and say, my only real concern is that the debts are so severe that there’s not going to be a day until I die that I won’t be worried about our finances.”

Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-02-22 13:44:47

Rumor has it he smoked too much pot.

Comment by Paul in Jax
2008-02-22 18:12:23

Sorry, lost, but I grew up there, and have studied Jefferson all my life, and wandered all over his farm, and have never heard such a rumor, nor has it ever been mentioned in any of the many biographies (Brodie, Malone). Would appreciate you referencing said rumor. This sounds like something that would be made up out of pure cloth by the kind of crowd that says, “Well, we know he wasn’t as pure as the wind-driven snow about this, so maybe he also was screwed up on weed.” Nothing more than a cheap shot at someone who did great things by people who want to (to paraphrase Dylan) “get you down in a hole where you are.”

 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-02-22 13:48:57

Never mind the hanky-panky.

I like the part where the author remarks on how Jefferson wanted to “show the Europeans” about a model Enlightenment “European villa” rather than a “functional American farmhouse”.

And the difference between that and keeping up with the Joneses would be? :-)

Comment by Brian
2008-02-22 17:04:55

I disagree with the “keeping up with the Jones’” analogy. Keep in mind that

Jefferson’s approach had more to do with foreign policy and projecting the greatness of ‘his’ new, experiment of a gov’t than trying to one-up the neighbor’s Hummer…

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-02-22 17:32:41

Yes, that would be the “Enlightenment” part, wouldn’t it now?

However, the end result would still be the same.

An academic going into debt to prove his theory can only be considered slightly better than the Hummer crowd. He’s trying to impress his peers too; not categorically different from the Hummers.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-02-22 14:21:25

I can recall meeting a descendant of Patrick Henry in Virginia. (I was bicycling up the east coast, it started to rain, so I took refuge at Scotchtown.) Proud descendant noted that, unlike Thomas Jefferson, Henry died a wealthy man.

Comment by aqius
2008-02-22 16:25:58

he just didnt live long enough to get an ARM

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-02-22 16:34:18

You might be surprised at the variety and complexity of interest rate products offered since at least the Renaissance.

Contrary to popular belief, complex financial products didn’t originate in the 20th century.

If you’re interested check out Sidney Homer and Richard Sylla’s A History of Interest Rates.

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Comment by aqius
2008-02-22 17:57:34

uhh, thanks pussycat, for the recommend but as an average red-meat-eatin’ MTV raised, no-attn-span male, who reads Playboy “for the articles”, that title seems a little dry . . ??!

thats my story & I’m stickin to it !

 
 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2008-02-22 18:21:00

Jefferson’s estate went into ruin and was eventually sold to pay his debts. In the early 20th century it was repurchased by a private foundation and restored. Monticello and the Rotunda at the University of Virginia, which Jefferson founded, are easily two of the most significant architectural masterpieces in the United States. Patrick Henry was a noble Virginian and patriot, but Jefferson towered over him. The casual ease with which people criticize such giants as Jefferson is a sad commentary on modern American culture.

Comment by gmork
2008-02-22 21:15:24

Patrick Henry opposed ratifying the Constitution, IIRC. Something about Jesus not being included anywhere.

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Comment by BanteringBear
2008-02-22 14:11:22

“Last month in Kitsap County, there were 49 bankruptcies, a 29 percent increase over January 2007. Bankruptcies rose 67 percent in Jefferson County, and 275 percent in Mason County.”

I know these areas well as I used to own a home in Kitsap. I was calling the bubble to burst over two years ago, but the market defied my expectations, and I watched in amazement as prices continued to skyrocket to levels unthinkable. Builders were building million dollar spec homes for “wealthy Californians”. I told my realtor it was completely unsustainable, but she maintained “prices only go up”.

Those three counties are in real trouble. Aside from the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard (PSNS) in Bremerton (Kitsap), there are very few jobs which would even support home ownership at any price, let alone current levels. Mason and Jefferson counties have none to speak of. I believe that many of the small, rural western WA cities and towns are headed for a severe depression. The incomes just aren’t there.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-02-22 15:29:36

Bantering,

Is the Naval Shipyard still open? My ex went to work for the shipyard. I lived in Bremerton and Allyn in the late 70s.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-02-22 19:01:05

Hi gal. Yes, the shipyard is still open in Bremerton. And yes, little ole Allyn is bubblicious.

 
 
 
Comment by MontanaAnna
2008-02-22 14:28:23

I tried to post this earlier…Local TV is doing a series on the housing market here, where the paper fears to tread. It’s still a whitewash, good time to buy, it’s different here etc. Amazing how rah-rah the local economists are. Who are they beholden to?

Comment by Duane Lapinski
2008-02-22 14:55:21

In Gallitan County there were about 200 Notices of Trusties sale last year. That is geting close to Flathead County’s number. Between 1991 and 1998 there were none. That is right, zero.

Comment by MontanaAnna
2008-02-22 15:04:49

Seems like a lot of trustees sales in the paper every day now. How did you get your number?

I looked at city bldg permits and only 3 were issued in Jan for SFH, compared to 14 last Jan, 33 in 2003 and 43 in 2002. No duplexes or multi-family at all last month.

Comment by Duane lapinski
2008-02-22 16:04:41

From the Clerk and Recorders Office, on their computer system. The system been computerized since 1990 in Gallitan County.

One problem is that Notices of Trustee sales are mixed with Cancellation of Trustee Sales, that is why I said about 200. The total number in the system for last year was around 260.

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Comment by NotInMontana
2008-02-22 19:25:57

Hmmm. Maybe it’s online here..

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by venture60
2008-02-22 15:02:54

The first Buena Vista Home auction was a shame, I was there. By my calculations 58% of the Happy Valley homes that supposedly sold are back for auction the 2nd time. And 100% of the Bend auction homes did not sell during the first auction. I call that a big failure. The second auction will also be a failure also. Most people that looked at the houses had the same impression that I did, they are large badly designed houses. How could a builder be so out-of-touch to build these things.

Comment by MacAttack
2008-02-22 17:21:28

And apparently some idiot tried to buy five of them, but couldn’t get financed, so back up for sale they go.

 
 
Comment by BlueStar
2008-02-22 15:13:34

Meanwhile back at the ABX index…
Check out the new lows today.
http://www.markit.com/information/products/abx.html

SEVENTEEN new lows across all classes and years! Then the clowns over at CNBC float some vague roomer about the bond insurers and the the black boxes goose the market. I don’t believe it.

Comment by not a gator
2008-02-24 08:24:32

The bottom is IN!

 
 
Comment by MacAttack
2008-02-22 17:24:43

I’ve noticed a trend toward lots for sale here in Portland too, as well as some unfinished houses, and some mid-rehab. Meanwhile the “Buy Now Clark County” radio campaign is reaching a fever pitch (ads running several times a day). I would say desperation in Portland, OR is not too far away.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-02-22 18:22:32

‘The number of Californians who have been able to sell their homes has dropped off because that market is flat. But those that are successful in selling want out and are still moving here. Boise is their location of choice.”

Boise, huh? Good news! Keep them the fook out of MY town, is all I earnestly ask of Sweet Baby Jeebus.

 
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