Recent Years Weren’t Typical In Florida
The News Press reports from Florida. “A year ago, at $89,000 it was the cheapest house listed for sale in Lee County. Now, three real estate agents and several price cuts later, the 578-square-foot cottage in Fort Myers is for sale at $29,900 — reduced again Friday from $38,900 and still among the least expensive. But one of the partners who owns the house — built in 1944 and assessed by the Lee County Property Appraiser’s Office at $47,870 — said she’s not worried.”
“‘It depends on what type of offer we get,’ Joyce Dean said. ‘We’re not going to just give it away. It’s holding its own so it’s not like we have to sell it.’”
“If an acceptable offer doesn’t materialize, that doesn’t bother her. The property, bought in 1990 as an investment for $5,000, is occupied by a tenant and isn’t a financial burden. Taxes for 2007 were $1,141.64.”
“Lisa Wiskowski of Florida Resale Properties, who represents the owners, said to sell quickly the house would have to be knocked down in price even more.”
“‘It should probably be around $19,900 for this market. It just might not be a price the owner wants to sell it for,’ she said. ‘If the owners can afford to hold them, the sun’s not going to stop shining.’”
“Real estate broker Denny Grimes noted: ‘If they’d listed it for $40,000 a year ago, it’d have been sold in a day.’”
The Herald Tribune. “Area gas prices crept up to yet another all-time record for Southwest Florida. ‘It’s affecting everything,’ said Jules Van Landuyt, owner of Victory Lane Sunoco in Sarasota. ‘People are bringing in change to pay, and I mean pennies. I’ve had more denied credit cards in the last six months than in the last 27 years.’”
“Business in Van Landuyt’s commercial accounts is down 22 percent as the cars and trucks used by electricians, plumbers and roofers sit idle because of the housing slowdown. It was not long ago when they were lined up when Van Landuyt opened his station at Fruitville Road and Lime Avenue at 5:30 a.m. Now he is lucky to have his first customer by 7 a.m.”
“‘People are just broke,’ he said.”
The Bradenton Herald. “The lobby of attorney Margaret Lambrecht’s office has been full of frightened homeowners fearing the worst. With more than 2,600 foreclosures recorded in Manatee County in 2007, Lambrecht said a growing number of residents this year are discovering their options have run out.”
“‘We’ve got some clients coming in that have between five to seven properties that would have never normally come to see us because we are more of the little-guy consumer office for people who don’t have a lot of money,’ said Lambrecht. ‘These are people who, even now, have very good incomes, but they cannot keep up with the properties and they can’t even get any decent rent out of them.’”
“The pace of this year’s foreclosure filings is staggering, according Very Reyna, an assistant supervisor for the Manatee County Clerk of Circuit Court’s office. For 2008, Manatee County has already recorded 756 foreclosures. During the same time last year, the clerk’s office had recorded a total of 276 foreclosures.”
“‘I hate to say it, but it looks like it is getting worse,’ Lambrecht said. ‘It used to be that we could put people in Chapter 13 in a worst-case scenario and they could catch up on their arrears. Then, after a year or so, they could refinance. But now people can’t qualify for loans.’”
“An increasing number of homeowners also are finding their home equity line of credit is frozen by lenders without any notice, she said.”
“‘Bank of America recently froze and reassessed the value of property and gave no warning around the middle of the month,’ Lambrecht said. ‘They just sent notices that said, ‘Your home equity line of credit is frozen.’ And a lot of people had that in case of an emergency. So all of a sudden their little lifeline is frozen, even though there is nothing wrong with their credit.’”
“Dawn Bates-Buchanan, managing attorney for Gulfcoast Legal Services in Bradenton, said she has seen a huge increase in the number of seniors facing foreclosure walk through her door.”
“‘In 2006, I might have seen one senior every three months regarding foreclosures. Now, I’m seeing one a week,’ Bates-Buchanan said. ‘In most situations, by the time they come to see me, they are already facing a sale on the courthouse steps.”
“‘You ask somebody who is on a limited income to pay another $500 a month, it just doesn’t work. Then, they started using credit cards to make these mortgage payments and they ended up further and further in the hole. Now, there is no where left to go,’ Bates-Buchanan said.”
The Tampa Tribune. “There’s no doubt that many homeowners are finding it more difficult to pay their mortgages, and the latest national numbers show that Florida and the Tampa Bay area continue to be worse off than most other parts of the nation.”
“Some local real estate professionals say the numbers don’t even show the full extent of the problem. ‘So many people are working out short sale deals with lenders, and many of those aren’t counted as foreclosure filings,’ said David Carter, a local real estate lawyer.”
“Carter said so many homeowners are seeking short sales that the Florida Association of Realtors is providing forms to real estate agents to help them market a home as a short sale.”
“Of Hernando County’s fifth-place ranking, Carter said: ‘The frenzy for investing in properties was much worse here than in other counties.’”
From Reuters. “Miami condo builder Jorge Perez, who recently formed a $1 billion vulture fund to take advantage of weak U.S. real estate prices, expects south Florida’s overbuilt housing market to stabilize in two to three years.”
“Miami’s condo market has been considered one of the most overpriced and overbuilt in the United States. Although the median price for Miami condos rose last year, analysts say prices have tumbled 25 percent or more in some areas of the city.”
“‘We’re going to the banks and saying we’ll buy that mortgage that you have on this building at a discount,’ he said.”
“Perez said the fund will help stabilize Miami’s overbuilt market by taking unsold units out of inventory and converting them to rentals for a time. ‘The main aim of course is to make money. The second one is to be positioned in a way that when the recovery comes in we will have inventory immediately without having to build,’ he said.”
The Palm Beach Post. “There’s no sign that Palm Beach’s housing market is slowing. Despite the severe real estate downturn pushing Florida into a recession and shaking up world financial markets, home prices in this tony town remain on the rise.”
“‘All these terrible articles in the newspaper’ just don’t apply, Palm Beach real estate attorney Leslie Evans said. ‘Maybe in certain areas, but not in Palm Beach. This is a different animal here.’”
The Daily Business Review. “Well-dressed potential buyers were on hand for the long-anticipated foreclosure auction of the 52-room mansion of Veronica Hearst, widow of newspaper heir Randolph Apperson Hearst.”
“The show didn’t last long as lender New Stream Capital bid $22 million for the 3.5-acre oceanfront property. Hearst owed more than $40 million to New Stream Secured Capital, in one of the largest single-family residential foreclosure cases ever in South Florida.”
“Hearst’s husband paid $29.87 million for the estate a few months before he died in 2000. Geoffrey Thomas of the Corcoran Group, had the house listed at $27 million for about a year.”
The News Journal. “Half as many permits were issued for single-family houses in the Volusia-Flagler area in 2007 as 2006, according to Hanley Wood Market Intelligence. Multifamily permits were just as bad, down 43 percent, the report shows.”
“‘We’re doing pretty much what the state trend is, about 50 percent off,’ said Bob Fitzsimmons, CEO of Gallery Homes of DeLand. ‘There are areas of the state that are much worse, with parts of Florida off 70 to 80 percent.’”
“‘On a percentage basis, I’ve never seen it off this bad,’ Fitzsimmons said. ‘In 1989-90, there was a building slowdown, but it probably was off 30 to 40 percent.’”
“Mike Sawdai, VP of operations for Palm Coast-based SeaGate Homes, which also builds in Daytona Beach, Edgewater and St. Augustine, said the permit activity shows the market is returning to levels experienced before the housing boom started four or five years ago.”
“‘I don’t get over-alarmed to see large drops in the (year-to-year) permit market,’ Sawdai said. ‘(Recent years) weren’t typical building levels.’”
‘If they’d listed it for $40,000 a year ago, it’d have been sold in a day.’
If true, this goes to show how we aren’t that far off the boom. BTW, check out the pic of this ‘cottage’ at the right of the page.
“Doll House, Needs a little TLC”
It was the landscaping that caught my eye.
My friend’s parents caught a falling knife for a lot down in Florida for $13K.
I laughed to his face but he knows me (and my tendencies) so he puts up with me.
His argument? They won’t miss the $13K if they lose it.
My argument? Fair enough, but I prefer not to lose at all.
My folks bought oceanfront property in Stuart back in the early 90s or late 80s in the low 100’s — it seemed like a pretty good deal to me, even at the time . . . until they started getting hit with “sewer” fees (undeveloped land) and “dune reparation fees” to the tune of about 25K, this all being on top of regular property taxes of course. They ended up selling to the city of Stuart for a public beach for about what they bought it for, so they ended up losing on all the extortionary fees.
13k lot in Florida - depending on the location, probably worth 1/5 of that. Your friends might have bought that from my friend, who (over) paid $2000 for a lot, and practically cried when he realized there was a trailer on each side of the lot. He decided not to retire there and one day received a phone call offering $12,000 for the lot. He immediately sold to some out of state speculator.
“Come and listen to a story ’bout a man named Jed…”
This house looks exactly like the place that Jed Clampett lived in before he loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly!
ROFLMAO.
C’mon - throw a little granite and stainless in the kichen, and we’ll get a bidding war started !!!
Unless the weight of the granite collapsed the whole house, of course.
They should rent that place to a film-maker who needs a “burning down the shack” scene, and use the proceeds to clear the place and pay property taxes for 10 years.
Now they have granite veneers, for the look of supposed opulence at about the cost of contact paper. What with hollow Chinese-made plastic doors and trim, and stucco-sprayed styrofoam architectural details, one can pretend to be prosperous on a bankfupt former “Saved-by-the-Bell” star’s budget.
I guess its not hard to be cashflow positive on a dilapidated shed you bought for $5000 18 years ago?
I have a feeling that this house was for sale, in the “oh what hell the lets put a crazy price on it and see if some sucker buys it” sense. Not uncommon in Florida.
There are some houses on the intracoastal that will put out for sale signs every winter during high season in hopes of winning the out of town buyer / sucker lottery.
They got ripped off paying 5,000
Funny they wanted almost $100k for that shack! I was thinking I could get a bigger, nicer trailor for a tenth the price and pay only lot fees in a mobile park. Lot fees are half the cost of renting a dingy 1/1 apartment.
I was thinking $20k sounds reasonable for a ~500-600 square foot shack in Florida. I did see a such shack for $11k in NW PA. If this is any indicator, the bottom in Florida will cost only double that of NW PA. At the peak, prices were 4x, 5x, 6x higher!
I think you’d have to pay me $29,900 to take that place.
“Taxes for 2007 were $1,141.64.” “It should probably be around $19,900 for this market.”
That is an effective property tax rate of 5.74% per year.
It looks like a sharecroppers shack in Alabama. I’m amazed the wind hasn’t taken it down.
The next hurricane Charley should do the trick.
Heh, yeah, that’s a nice lookin’ cottage alright….looks more like a chicken coop.
There are similar looking crack-shack properties for sale in Tampa, where they’re asking $60,000 to $80,000. Such a deal! I’m thinking this is what they ought to pay me to take the property off their hands.
Hi Palmetto. I saw one for 160k off of North Florida in a slum neighborhood (below Fowler). It was a tiny, tiny cement block thing (maybe 500-600 sq. ft.) with two micro bedrooms and a carport. There was no grass in the tiny yard. It sold immediately. That was two years ago.
Howdy, Incredulous. I’ve seen some real choice properties driving through the Howard/Armenia West Tampa area. My faves are the caved-in frame properties advertised as “bungalows”. ROTFLMAO!
“Bungalow” seems to cover all bases here (a more accurate term would be “bunk-alow,” or possibly “bung-A-hole”). Have you seen the West Tampa particleboard “luxury” condo/townhouse/retail thing going up on Cypress between North Boulevard and North Newport, or thereabouts? In a ramshackle industrial wasteland, where almost ALL the little houses are dilapidated and most of the industrial buildings are aluminum? I’m sure there are lots of up-and-coming local bigwigs itching to live and shop (or should I say shoppe?) there, where crack deals are the only other things happening, and nearly everyone is on public assistance. If the builders put in the obligatory retention pond or drainage ditch to breed misquitos, they can market their stroke-of-genius as “luxury waterfront living.” The alternative real estate code phrase is “urban living,” which in Tampa means, living in an industrial slum area that nobody in his right mind and not on welfare would have dreamed of living anywhere near five years ago.
Hey i lived in a concrete bungalow (much better shape then that ugly one) in Charleston the early90’s, 600 sq ft 2bdrm. LR and Kitchen…small but efficient…you learn to live with whats important…since there was literally no available storage facilities in Charleston…most had waiting lists due to the huge military presence…
one big propane space heater and an 8000 btu window AC cooled the place in the summer.
But the rent was $165 a month and i was making $250 a week…and was living with my GF.
“Bungalow” seems to cover all bases here (a more accurate term would be “bunk-alow,” or possibly “bung-A-hole”).
You just made my day. That nails it, Incredulous.
We have shacks here in Palm Beach County that were $125k to $200k at the peak. Even now, they will set you back around $100k. I might take one only if it was free. If the neighboorhood was safe, id pay $50/foot so a 600 sf shack is worth $30k.
I think it actually IS a chicken coop. Hucksters were trying to sell sheds and shacks like this in Marin County (Calif.) for hundreds of thousands of dollars only a year or so ago. Florida is always behind the times.
Chicken coop? Incredulous, that is a house fit for a king. The king of tramps.
My cat is a king, and he wouldn’t touch it, but then he grew up in south Tampa, and is used to the upper crust lifestyle.
upper crust = upper-crust. I left out the hyphen for the adjective.
Thanks for that clarification. I was thinking you added “upper” to crust lifestyle to distinguish it from the crust lifestyles that existed on lower floors of the building.;)
There are many chicken coops built to higher construction standards than some of the sh*t that’s been thrown up in the last couple of years.
“There are many chicken coops built to higher construction standards than some of the sh*t that’s been thrown up in the last couple of years.”
Case in point:
http://tinyurl.com/29cqbb
http://tinyurl.com/yuetfe
Hondje: wire mesh adds a lot of strength to a wooden frame
“Your home equity line of credit is frozen.’ And a lot of people had that in case of an emergency. So all of a sudden their little lifeline is frozen, even though there is nothing wrong with their credit.”
Nothing wrong with their credit, a lot wrong with their collateral. It’s a secured loan, the value of the collateral *is* kind of important.
These HELOC freezes have just started popping up (on my screen anyway) in the past month or so, and everytime it is in a FB related article. Seems many people were counting on this to get by. One was a UHS in Florida that was gonna use it to pay taxes! Oh well, April is around the corner.
Yep and Florida just passed some tax reform bill that makes it hard for local Gov’ts to raise taxes. Get ready for layoffs and loss of services. Unemployment is about to get a lot worse and many of the people in the cushy Gov’t jobs won’t be able to get jobs elsewhere.
It never occurred to me that many people would need to borrow for taxes… But when I take a step back and consider the big picture…
Ok, I’m scared. Scared at the same level as when I found out about the large bubble in Northwest Arkansas. (I don’t know why, but that’s what it took for me to realize this bubble is global.) Its not just governments laying off. Its all the small businesses (yes, we make fun of the candle shops, but we’re about to see retail pucker butt the likes I have to go to history books to find scale comparisons.)
Got Popcorn?
Neil
We flat don’t need another noodle shop,Panera bread,Kohls,Lowes,resteraunt of any kind,nail salon,doggie daycare, enter failed business idea here.
I am just going to walk on the beach for free and pick up all these fish that are flopping around. Whats that noise sounds like thunder but there are no clouds?
There’s a lot of well-heeled folk right now that can’t tap their muni’s to pay taxes due the auctions seizing up.
The guy next to me at work, from New Jersey, had his HELOC frozen.
Sweet!
I’m just getting so excited all over at the thought of Mr and Mrs. McCrapBox having to live within their means now.
I lived on 50% of my means. Plenty of cushion, and I am going to need it being in technical sales! Any salesperson (I don’t care what you sell)that does not save up 2 years of income in the good times is an idiot!
Blows my mind how many mortgage lenders making 100k to 250K before have not but two cents to rub together now. Really is amazing
I’ll go one step further.
Any person that does not save up 2 years of income in the good times is an idiot!
As I always say, if things go south, you’ll be happy you had the cushion. If they never do, you can always buy a beach house, and party.
Banks are getting sense slowly. Notice that they freeze the HELOC line 1st, then notify. It they didn’t, FBs would draw on it for cash.
If you want to see how a bank is doing go to: http://www4.fdic.gov/call_tfr_rpts/ .
Pull up their call report for 2006 and 2007. Compare them. You are going to see a lot of ugly sites. I’m talking Eleanor Clift naked ugly.
“I’m talking Eleanor Clift naked ugly.”
ROTFLAMO! Stop…stop…can’t breathe…pounds chest…wheeze…aw, gawd, it’s a tough room today on the HBB.
Poor thing. I feel sorry for her and give her credit for going on camera knowing that hundreds of thousands of people are screaming or hiding their children’s eyes. Occasionally I agree with her, but in any event, she has balls. Oops, a lightbulb event: That might be her problem!
I thought this was illuminating:
“‘You ask somebody who is on a limited income to pay another $500 a month, it just doesn’t work. Then, they started using credit cards to make these mortgage payments and they ended up further and further in the hole. Now, there is no where left to go,’ Bates-Buchanan said.”
Why is someone who is “retired” having to make payments on an mortgage? Why do they have an adjustable mortgage? The story isn’t complete.
Is this an increase in mortgage, or is this increases in taxes and insurance. If it’s the latter, they are wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice.
If it’s the former, then they did a really, really poor job of managing their retirement plans. Sounds like a senior refi for a good time a the casino to me.
Let me cry for these poor indigents.
Our community is populated mainly (95%+) by retirees. Within the last year or so the county has been putting its land records on line. From the unscientific survey I’ve conducted, I’d say that over half the properties here are mortgaged, and some have HELOCs on top of the mortgage. All I can say is they must have a lot more money coming in each month than we do.
Now, there is no where left to go,’ Bates-Buchanan said.”
Think of where millions of these idiots are going to go…relatives if they’re lucky…or there’s always the street…we are gonna have one huge homeless problem (that will make today’s homeless problem look like a day at disneyland) that is going to grow like a snowball while foreigners “snap up” these FBs’ former dwellings from the lenders at 20-80% of the peak dollar depending on how big the local bubble got.
Got diversified assets, lots and lots of popcorn and 4-6 years of patience?
Who wouldn’t let their retired mom or dad live with them? I would allow it under the condition they work part time to support themselves.
I’d let them live with me but they’d have to acknowledge they were living under my roof and follow my rules. They’d have to sleep in separate beds.
Ponzi - LOL - about that age, they usually *want* to sleep in separate beds.
Well, they probably have a negative net worth because they owe more than their collateral is valued plus savings. Then we add in the fact that their cash flow is negative because they can’t service their debt with their current income, hence the need for a credit line. Essentially they are bankrupt but it is not official yet. I’d say that there is plenty wrong with their credit, it hasn’t been updated to the current situation.
Savings? What savings?
To continue my mantra: Cash is king.
If you have to borrow to spend then you are screwed. If you have ample savings that closely resemble M0 then you are not screwed.
Those who think they have lots of M3 may discover they really don’t. They will make this discovery when they try to convert their M3 to M0.
Again, cash is king.
China, India, Brazil, Russia, and OPEC would beg to differ…
http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX
Article: “Your home equity line of credit is frozen.’ And a lot of people had that in case of an emergency.
That’s an amazing statement. Savings - not credit lines - ought to be for emergencies.
“Business in Van Landuyt’s commercial accounts is down 22 percent as the cars and trucks used by electricians, plumbers and roofers sit idle because of the housing slowdown. It was not long ago when they were lined up when Van Landuyt opened his station at Fruitville Road and Lime Avenue at 5:30 a.m. Now he is lucky to have his first customer by 7 a.m.”
“‘People are just broke,’ he said.”
And that’s what happens when you have an economy dependent upon real estate. BTW, I had the opportunity to visit my local health clinic this week. I figured the place would be wall to wall, what with all the flu going around. Surprise, there was practically no wait. From what I could see, the “guest worker” population is down this year. Not only have the construction labor jobs dried up, but another thing that happened is that a lot of agricultural land in this area was sold to developers, so many of the ag jobs have dried up as well. Very interesting double whammy.
I was reading a little bit ago that some places in Florida are cracking down on the Mexicans now that they are not needed to build stuff
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203419,00.html?sPage=fnc.specialsections/immigration
I have noticed our population of illegals has dropped in Colorado Springs. I wonder where they have all gone to? Surely they haven’t gone home but at the same time I can’t think of where else they could have gone.
From what I understand, many of the illegals in Florida migrated to the Carolinas and Georgia, for the factory work that doesn’t exist in Florida.
So I would assume the illegals who left your area have probably gone to place like Kansas and Iowa, where they can glom onto the whole biofuels scam and also where there are meatpacking jobs, etc. It’s the ultimate mobile workforce.
There are quite a few Latinos, but there aren’t that many more up here in Western NC…Not many factories left, after the textile, and furniture businesses closed…A lot of field work, or casual labor…but that’s about it…Housing is ‘finally’ starting to slow down some…Haywood county [Waynesville], January MLS sales dropped 50% YOY, 62 units to 31, and ‘ave ‘prices dropped $279K to $234 [-19%]
We’re starting the slide into the abyss
Maybe they’ve been Raptured?
LOL.
You can never have enough Rapture jokes.
Have we hit the 144000 mark yet? Can I start stealing and adulterating now?
Adultery? Sounds good to me.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/reuters-sobs-illegal-aliens-are-going-home
Palmy - O/T - I got a flu shot last October. Now I read that it was for the wrong strain. Are we supposed to go get another one, with the correct stuff in it? I don’t mind the cost, just don’t want the flu.
Hey, Chip, in following the news reports, it’s my understanding there isn’t a shot for the strain of flu that’s going around (which hit me like a mack truck). I’m just riding it out, but it sucks big time. Supposedly, though, Florida is not seeing as many of these flu cases as other parts of the country. I was just lucky, I guess.
Palmetto, ” It’s the ultimate mobile workforce.” There was an article by, I think J.Rogers, where he thought the model going forward was we would all be 1099’s….Move, adapt or die….
Palmetto, what are the symptoms of this one?
Can’t speak for everyone, but what I’ve experienced is fever, chills, aches, chest congestion, extreme fatigue and weakness.
I had the same in Jan. It was nasty but manageable.
Drink lots of water, and eat something salty to replace the salt that gets flushed out due to drinking all that water. Rest.
Palmetto, I feel that way every time I have to listen to a George Bush speech.
Palmetto — thanks — just returned from being out all day. My sister had that flu and is just getting over it. She developed pleurisy (I thought that died out with the Founding Fathers) and it seems pretty nasty. Glad I’m not flying anywhere, anytime soon. Airplanes are where I catch stuff 9 times out of ten that I get sick.
“Of Hernando County’s fifth-place ranking, Carter said: ‘The frenzy for investing in properties was much worse here than in other counties.’”
Yes, the Spring Hill area of Hernando is a bloodbath. They are so desperate to sell homes there that you can’t screen out the Spring Hill properties in the realtor.com listings. They show up anyway. The problem with Spring Hill is that the substrate (underlying ground) is like swiss cheese, so today’s seemingly solid little house is tomorrow’s sinkhole property. Anyway, if you’re willing to take a chance, you can get a home in Spring Hill for real cheap.
“‘People are just broke,’ he said.”
Broke is the new black. I was just early.
I remember. Most of the guys here didn’t get it when you first wrote it.
Including myself.
“Miami condo builder Jorge Perez, who recently formed a $1 billion vulture fund to take advantage of weak U.S. real estate prices, expects south Florida’s overbuilt housing market to stabilize in two to three years.”
Oh, boy, this Peerez has NO idea. Two to three years, eh? Of course, his strategy, on the surface, would seem to be sound. But I think it’s going to take longer than 2-3 years. And anyway, I wouldn’t invest in any fund that was going to put money in Miami real estate. The corruption in Miami is MASSIVE, at all levels.
This deal blows my mind. He’s basically buying back stuff he built just a few years ago. That Miami crowd is really something.
There was a poster here in the last week who described the corruption of the Miami market with such wit and in such detail, I was in awe. Wish they’d post it again. The workings of Miami (city) and Miami-Dade (county) governments when it comes to construction and real estate are so corruptly complex, it defies all logic. I got to experience it on a very small level back in the day when I worked for a company that did business with the schools system. We didn’t give kickbacks. This pissed off one of the construction managers so much that during a meeting, he took one of our samples, flung it to the floor and put his boot through it with such force that it took him a few minutes to pull it back out.
The reason is,…Miami is a banana republic. Most of the mayors,city councils are used to doing business like back home. Payoffs,under-table, corruption, plain and simple. 70’s-80’s were drug money, this round was free-for-all OPM. The players change ,but the game remains the same…pick a card, any card..
Truer words were never spoken. If you have a couple of hours to spare, rent “Cocaine Cowboys”, a documentary on the real Miami Vice. Basically, most of the Miami skyline in the 80s was built with drug money when people were literally walking into banks with duffle bags of cash. Now the skyline is being completed with all the funny money that was floating around the last couple of years. It’s gonna be a long time before all those condos in Brickell are occupied.
Mr Perez, a word of advice. Stay alive till ‘25. Comprende?
I think either way, he wins. If he’s doing it right, he only has a nominal amount of his own money invested. The condos continue to go bust for a long time, he at least makes some pretty hefty fees for a couple of years. The condos come back before 2012 (highly unlikely IMO), he makes a killing on bonuses.
The decline has been so rapid - that I think we could see the bottom in 2/3 years if things continue at this rate. Doesn’t mean real estate will become a great investment at that point, though - unless the glut of inventory makes owning genuinely cheaper than renting.
“The show didn’t last long as lender New Stream Capital bid $22 million for the 3.5-acre oceanfront property. Hearst owed more than $40 million to New Stream Secured Capital, in one of the largest single-family residential foreclosure cases ever in South Florida.”
Aren’t the little people supposed to pay for these mansions?
“‘All these terrible articles in the newspaper’ just don’t apply, Palm Beach real estate attorney Leslie Evans said… ‘This is a different animal here.’
Oh, pshaw. I bet it tastes exactly the same as all the other animals, once it’s BBQ’d and sitting next to a side order of FB ‘extra crispy’ style fries.
Having lived in the West Palm Beach area for 25 years, and worked over in Palm Beach, I can ‘truly’ tell you it is different over there, across the bridge… They live and play, by another set of rules…. Just Pleasantly Wierd!!!
If you want to feel (relatively) miserably poor, walk down Worth Avenue in Palm Beach. I had an OK career and was able to buy Brooks Brothers and Southwick suits for work. Those are Wal-Mart threads on Worth Avenue. Never felt so poor or underdressed in my life even in the snazzy streets of European cities.
Now that you mention it; I don’t think there is a Bar-B-Que place in Palm Beach….
Maybe it’s because they don’t eat off/with there fingers, or something….After all…Isn’t that where Emily Post lived….
“‘Bank of America recently froze and reassessed the value of property and gave no warning around the middle of the month,’ Lambrecht said. ‘They just sent notices that said, ‘Your home equity line of credit is frozen.’ And a lot of people had that in case of an emergency. So all of a sudden their little lifeline is frozen, even though there is nothing wrong with their credit.’”
so what you’re saying is they “froze our savings account, they can’t do that because they’re fdic insured.”
I wrote to a buddy of mine about the muni problem last month and that apparently Citizens, our state-run hurricane insurance program - got hit with a 20% yield on their latest bonds. I really like his reply:
“I have to ask myself what kind of idiot organization would allow the issuance of their bonds with a ‘failed auction’ proviso that ups the interest rate. The answer: your government. That way the buyers of the bonds, generally large corporations, can get richer. It wouldn’t surprise me to find that the profits from these failed auctions are hedges that earn the banks enough to finance their CDO losses. Would you borrow money for a mortgage from a company that told you that if they couldn’t sell the mortgage to someone else, you would owe them 20% instead of 6%?”
True, but there are two things he needs to note.
There has to be some provision if you are going to issue bonds with periodic auctions. You gotta have a fallback clause if things fail.
Secondly, most of these issuers were under the same illusion as people who took out ARMs. Oh, they will never fail (= we can always refinance) so that 20% was kinda irrelevant. Turns out it was quite relevant.
These are the people I hope burn. I have no sympathy for the clowns that thought buying SFR was the way to “Trump”ed up millionaires. And I really really really hope these people are not being let off the hook for the taxes. They caused alot of pain for everyday people on the way up, Karma says they deserve the pain on the way down.
“‘We’ve got some clients coming in that have between five to seven properties that would have never normally come to see us because we are more of the little-guy consumer office for people who don’t have a lot of money,’ said Lambrecht. ‘These are people who, even now, have very good incomes, but they cannot keep up with the properties and they can’t even get any decent rent out of them.’”
These are people who, even now, have very good incomes, but they cannot keep up with the properties and they can’t even get any decent rent out of them.’”
I don’t know if Florida mortgages are recourse or non-recourse, but if recourse, those debts will be purchased by a collection agency and they will pursue the FB into bankruptcy. TCW (Trust Co of the West) set up a multi billion dollar fund last year that’s going to be like a collection agency on steriods. People, let me assure you Ben’s entertainment is going to keep comin’ for at least 4-6 years. They’re trying to trick Californians into refi-ing out of non-recourse debt (purchase money) into recourse debt (refi). Then TCW can chase them too. Priceless.
Got diversified assets?
Some fools took the bait. The smart ones will simply walk away without refinancing.
I’ve known Jules Van Landuyt most of his life. He’s a genuine person, and doesn’t lie or blow things out of proportion. If he says the Sarasota economy sucks, you can take that to the bank.
Sadly, I fear this is only the tip of the iceburg.