March 3, 2008

Bits Bucket And Craigslist Finds For March 3, 2008

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Comment by wmbz
Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 05:58:50

Broke is the New Black

Comment by aNYCdj
2008-03-03 07:57:55

Sorry Txchick…being smart today is the new black or i should have multiple job offers

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:48:16

“I keep coming back to one question: What has made us into a nation of people who spend more than we earn?”

Sunday, March 2, 2008

Take the money and … SPEND!

Comment by edhopper
2008-03-03 08:33:51

Our Preznent told us after 9/11 to be good ‘mericans we have to go out and spend lots of $.

Comment by Seattle Renter
2008-03-03 12:19:17

Ayyup. As a good ‘merican, I dun took one those HELOC thingys out and gots me some granite countertops and a stainless frigeeator. I reckon it’s an eeyunvestment.

Y’all should see how purdy my NASCAR commemertive plate collection looks laid out on that countertop.

I think I’ll head on over to Wal-Mart - they’s havin a sale on twinkies. Luvz me some twinkies. And ding dongs too.

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Comment by Gatorfan
2008-03-03 07:03:16

Has anyone read the book discussed in the article (Going Broke: Why Americans Can’t Hold On To Their Money by Stuart Vyse)?

I’d like to hear a review from an HBBer.

 
Comment by packman
2008-03-03 08:14:15

Good article. Not so sure I agree with this though -

Just consider the advertising campaign, “Life Takes Visa.” The credit card giant has been running commercials in which people are hustling through checkout lines at fast food and retail stores. They buy what they want by merely waving or swiping their plastic Visa cards.

But when a customer pulls out cash, everything comes to a screeching halt. The cash-paying customer gets harsh looks from fellow shoppers and the cashier. Then we hear an announcer say: “Don’t let cash slow you down.”

The commercials are funny. But the subliminal message isn’t. It’s diabolical.

“Much of the difficulty stems from new retail technologies that make it easy to act without thinking,” Vyse says.

Here’s the thing - I think it’s virtually impossible today to treat all money in concrete terms like that - i.e. it’s a fixed sum of cash in your pocket, and when you’re out of cash you’re out of money. That used to be the case for a majority of people 100-200 years ago, but no more, and IMO just isn’t a feasible way to do things in our society, without introducing massive inefficiencies - the logistics of cash transfer, etc. for large purchases like homes and cars etc.

What’s important is that people have to be able to take their virtual monetary holdings and debts, and visualize them as concrete. I have to see in my mind that even though I have $30,000 in my bank account - if I also have a $300,000 mortgage that means that in reality I’m $270,000 in debt. When I spend $200 at GAP - that’s not subtracting from my $30,000 balance, but rather adding to my $270,000 debt.

A great tool for this visualization is spreadsheets, e.g. Excel. If everyone was forced to write down all their assets and debts in Excel, and then project out how their monthly earnings vs. expenses affect those balances, short-term and long-term - all the way through retirement - they would be *way* more conservative with how they spend and save money. They would realize how much that credit card interest and mortgage interest (and taxes for that matter) suck away their future financial well-being, and extend their retirement date.

I know many of us on the board use credit cards all the time - in large amounts even. We’re just smart enough to know that you can’t use it as a form of debt, but rather as a form of convenience - i.e. by paying them off every month. They even can *help* your financial well-being by providing cash back, and short-term zero-interest loans - allowing you to have more balance in interest-bearing checking or money market accounts.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 08:23:01

Please!

Ledgers? Spreadsheets? Paying off debt? Retirement?

BWAH-HAHAHHA-HAHAHAHAHHHHHH!!!

 
Comment by az_lender
2008-03-03 08:48:06

Admitting to a high degree of disorganization, I use only the credit card tied to my ML brokerage account — because ML automatically pays the virtual bill on the 4th (?) Wednesday of each month. Agree with packman that the debt problem is not technical. Lending is a non-productive industry that makes good money for the lenders (at least some of them). I personally have a vested interest in, for instance, the home-mortgage tax deduction, even though I personally am not a debtor.

 
Comment by edhopper
2008-03-03 11:59:53

My experience is that whenever some bozo pulls out his debit card at the supermarket or movie theater, it takes twice as lon as paying in cash.
“OK, swipe again, did you put in your pin? Cancel and try again…”aaarrrhhhh!

 
Comment by Desertdweller
2008-03-03 13:00:23

What’s important is that people have to be able to take their virtual monetary holdings and debts, and visualize them as concrete. I have to see in my mind that even though I have $30,000 in my bank account -

Packman, well that would be nice and all except human nature being what it is, means that most men think they ARE George Clooney when in actual fact NO ONE is George Clooney like. And when it comes to money, people do the same thing, they do not SEE it as actual cash. Period. The PTB and Madison Ave public relations/ advertising agencies etc have been studying this for ages. The American mind is manipulated into “seeing” what the media wants “us” to believe. We aren’t taught these things in HS anymore, no civics, no practical math,and certainly most parents do not do anything but show by example what NOT to do.
I agree with you on principle, but it doesn’t work that way.
Now in other countries, it does. Most folks do live by what they actually have. We in the US are the only nation, with the UK right behind us that act like drunken sailors with our money and our futures and our health.

 
Comment by shakes
2008-03-03 16:09:45

“A great tool for this visualization is spreadsheets”
I have a NET WORTH spreadsheet to help be figure out where I stand. I also do not adjust my RE holdings up any more than inflation so they are extremely ‘undervalued’ yet coming closer to par value every day ;) I also keep a historical record of previous dates net worth and have goals set. It has allowed me to stay on course and give an honest assessment of my holdings and whether they need rebalancing!! I recommend this to everyone!!

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in _PHX
2008-03-03 10:15:10

I do not think it is hard to understand at all.

If debt is available, someone will take advantage of it. Then, others will see the bling but not the debts, and judge that person as more successful. Since it is our nature to want to “keep up”, another taps debt to buy the bling. Then another wanting to keep up with those two goes and taps the debt to get the bling. Soon, everyone that is “cool” is tapping the debt to get the bling.

IF, we all wore our debt around, if it was out in the open like clothes, jewels, cars, your watch, etc…. If women were told that the way to judge a man was by his debt instead of his car/watch/shoes, etc. If women were able to judge each other based on their debt rather than clothes/shoes/hairdo… If men could judge women on their debt rather than boob job… If men could judge men based on debt instead of the size and number of toys…

Well, debt would be uncool. But, we can’t see the debt. We see the bling. So, people go into debt to get bling so that they are cool.

Comment by Bud Diddley
2008-03-03 10:25:10

“But, we can’t see the debt. We see the bling.”

Actually, I usually assume that bling = debt. The phrase “all hat, no cattle” comes to mind. I think many who read this blog have a similar worldview.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2008-03-03 10:40:51

They buy things they don’t need with money they don’t have to impress people they don’t like. Amerikan society at its finest!

 
Comment by sfrenter
2008-03-03 11:14:28

Suze Orman recommends finding out someone’s credit score when you first start dating them…I thought that was amusing but there’s some good thinking there, too.

I am in the process of helping my spouse fix up her credit, and it is a hassle. How much easier it would have been top marry someone with an 810, like me.

 
 
Comment by Bud Diddley
2008-03-03 10:58:35

The big picture: make sure you like your job because you’re gonna be doing it for awhile.

No retirement for anybody!

Comment by Bub Didley
2008-03-03 12:29:40

Oh, if you can hold onto the job you have, I might add…

 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-03-03 20:52:31

Get rich slowly dot org:
“Ask the Readers: What Can I Do If My Girlfriend Isn’t Serious About Money?”
“Friends and Money: Coping with Social Spending Situations”

 
 
 
Comment by azrenter
2008-03-03 04:50:52

buffett, says “we are in a recession” now that is main stream news catching up to bens blog. bens blog has been saying this for 2 years and finally main stream america gets it.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 05:37:49

THE PROFESSIONAL OUTLOOK
55% of economic forecasters declared that we’re not in a recession and are not going to have one this year

THE WORD ON THE STREET

61%: Americans who believe that the U.S. economy is already in recession

THE AMERICAN DREAM

11%: the decline in value of a typical American home purchased in 2005, the height of the housing boom

CLICK!

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 05:39:08

Link didn’t work (old dog still learning new trick…)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080302/news_lz1e2hamilton.html

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2008-03-03 09:23:09

Buffet also said on cnbc this morning that the only ones hurt by the falling dollar were the ones hoarding ( I forget his exact word) dollars. I thought I was supposed to be hoarding dollars for my retirement.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 09:43:04

No, you are supposed to be hoarding wealth not dollars.

If that wealth takes the form of a Indian or Brazilian bond, then so be it.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-03-03 11:25:14

AZRENTER:

I just got back from someone who was giving away the contents of 3 storage lockers bought at auction..at 11am on a Monday there were over 30 people in a bad part of Brooklyn ready to dig through someones life…

Maybe a next career? Buy the storage lockers at auction rifle through the cd’s dvd’s books electronics, and give the rest away for free…since a carting company charges $160 a ton to dispose of crap. and you still have to pay rent on it if you want to sell the stuff. Nice things people took almost new furniture some tv’s even an electric guitar….but mostly clothes toys other crap…file cabinets….i even found checkbooks and a credit card good till next month…

 
Comment by hd74man
2008-03-03 11:39:36
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2008-03-03 05:04:02

Subprime crisis seen as biggest economic threat. Hey, Bernanke, you turd in a suit, lower those rates, LMAO!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080303/ap_on_bi_ge/economic_threats

Of course, Bernanke’s not really to blame. The biggest threat is our so-called friends and neighbors and their stupidity. Maybe the biggest threat is us, individually, for not having the stones to at least educate our friends and neighbors and to clue them in on how THEIR actions have assisted the debacle.

Comment by HBBLurker
2008-03-03 08:32:10

A majority of my friends co-workers and neighbors are fiscally incompotent, and trying to teach them anything else like bashing your head into a wall…TV,mags, MSM, opera, all make sure that poeple chase a lifestyle obsession. Most become pissed if you try to show them the error of there ways, ie coworker baught house in middle of nowhere, he has no money down and crap credit, finally got a loan with less the great rate, is 100 percent convinced the house will appraise for more then what he paid and will be able to refinance is a year or so…He baught the house from a FBr and he was allready a FBr on car loans and credit cards and will eventualy end up way underwater on the place, with no reserves any job loss and BK will be the result…

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 09:50:37

I no longer bother. They will suffer. What can you do?

Comment by catspit1
2008-03-03 10:48:17

Drop by in your used Porsche with nice bottle o` wine now and then to cheer them up.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 11:08:55

LOL

I love y’all when you are meaner than me!!!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-03-03 05:06:27

http://tinyurl.com/34yflr

Cities/states shifting pension funds to riskier investments:

“U.S. states owe an estimated $2.73 trillion in pension and benefit payments to retirees over the next 30 years, according to a December report from the Pew Center on the States. They are short almost 27 percent, or $731 billion, of that amount. The Government Accountability Office said last week that 58 percent of 65 large state and local pension plans were adequately funded in 2006, down from 90 percent in 2000.”

Much higher Federal budget deficit by some:

“Philadelphia’s predicament couldn’t come at a worse time for George W. Bush, whose administration forecasts a $410 billion budget deficit for this fiscal year ending Sept. 30, approaching the record of $413 billion set in 2004. The figure may eventually reach as much as $800 billion, according to Bill Gross, manager of the world’s biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co. in Newport Beach, California.”

Comment by palmetto
2008-03-03 05:14:33

“Philadelphia’s predicament couldn’t come at a worse time for George W. Bush”

George W. Bush couldn’t have come at a worse time for the US. Oh, yeah, I’m WAY out of line, right? I’m tellin’ ya, this walking excuse for a human being is going to leave this country broke and broken, because what’s in line to succeed him sure ain’t capable of cleaning up the mess. Obamacain. LMAO!

Comment by aNYCdj
2008-03-03 05:30:56

Hey Palmetto:

I always thought the X-files scenario was going to happen with a twist. There will be a major crash, and rather then have total anarchy, the president will beg china to buy MSFT GE IBM GM et all at $10 a share, and will end most employment laws so the Chinese will immediately put millions of Americans back to work making stuff for them in the new Chinese owned America,

 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-03-03 05:38:18

The next administration is going to need to be great to have any chance of overcoming the inherited colossal mess. Even if it is great, it may not look very good.

The growing list of things that “couldn’t come at a worse time” are the outgrowth of years of failed policies. Shouldn’t one have succeeded at something, somewhere, at some time before becoming president?

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2008-03-03 06:40:56

“Shouldn’t one have succeeded at something, somewhere, at some time before becoming president?”

Perhaps those who have become successes are smart enough to realize it’s impossible to be a “successful” leader of this country.

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Comment by JP
2008-03-03 07:54:19

There’s also the problem of: Define success.

 
Comment by Desertdweller
2008-03-03 13:13:01

He was successful at ruining other businesses and getting gifted “Cs” just to get by. I guess you could define that as success.

 
 
Comment by measton
2008-03-03 07:24:18

Those that hate the idea of government regulation should take a long look at what happens when a president rolls back, underfunds, and defangs regulators.

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Comment by exeter
2008-03-03 07:40:45

measton, doing so would would result in the complete collapse of their mantra and they know it. Nevertheless, why anyone would support big money interests at their very own expense is a mystery but I suspect these uninformed folks believe the lie that they’ll be rich someday….. if they only work a little harder. Sad…….

 
Comment by bluprint
2008-03-03 09:27:24

I find it ironic that you two are dragging out your “we need more government” show in a thread referring to an article about government making promises for which it cannot pay.

 
Comment by exeter
2008-03-03 10:05:09

And how is that any more ironic than dumb wage earners whining for tax cuts for the most priveleged, even at his own expense?

 
Comment by MEaston
2008-03-03 10:14:47

So you’d like to do away with the SEC,and government oversite of banking?? I find it ironic that you criticize the roll of government regulation, after seeing how a lac of regulation and enforcement has contributed to the housing bubble.

 
Comment by bluprint
2008-03-03 10:41:49

MEaston, the regulation you speak of was only necessary because your government allowed (via the Fed) a monetary policy that expectedly led to misuse of credit. Bad gov’t policy leads to more needed gov’t policy (policy=regulation in this case).

exeter, I’m not sure that I was saying one thing is more ironic than the other. In fact I DO think it is ironic that people who are frequently beholden to corporations that don’t give a crap about them at the same time defend the corporation’s action regardless of what that action is. And I have other similar opinions I am sure we would agree on.

 
Comment by Desertdweller
2008-03-03 13:15:08

There is NO oversight on any of the US corps or industry.
Regulation is fine to a degree, but mostly it would have benefited if the “Oversight” tools in place had TEETH.
But, if you got the money/connections, you got the Key to the City or Get out of Jail Free card.

 
Comment by measton
2008-03-03 17:15:18

Not to pick a fight but the FED is supposed to be independent of any of our elected governments. Not sure that always holds true. I don’t believe that low interest rates was the primary culprit in the housing bubble. The # 1 cause of the bubble is loose lending combined with the ability to offload risk. ie no doc, no down payment loans, ect. Once you can offload risk then it’s A OK to pump up appraisals and sell castles to strawberry pickers. When the states tried to combat preditory lending and other abuses it was the current administration that took the states to court to keep them from reigning in this crap. This administration has gutted the regulatory departments, remember that when your eating your next downer cow hamburger.

 
Comment by not a gator
2008-03-03 18:21:36

SEC is necessary because without an enforcer, the Casino Royale would be a giant game of Three Card Monte. Heck, given the SEC’s track record lately, I’m not sure it isn’t already.

Read up on the history of stock manipulation. SEC and Glass-Steagel were needed. You want people to save and provide for themselves, you need to get a few wolves in with the foxes and the hens so the foxes stay in line.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2008-03-03 05:38:42

Bullseye Palmetto. Gotta love those good old fashioned “family values”.

 
Comment by Evil Capitalist
2008-03-03 06:33:13

B.S. Philadephia predicament is caused by idiots that are running this city, not GWB. It is caused by not understanding that no one in a right mind would pay city wage tax when putting the same business on the other side of the Cityline Ave gets immediately lowers the tax rates; it is caused by calling 20th and Market St a “serverly depressed area” ( for those not from Philly it is like calling Wall St/5th Avenue a “serverely depressed area”) so Comcast can get itself a brand spanking new office tower and pay nearly no property taxes for it for next ten years; it is caused by allowing unions to control everything in the convention center where a visitor has to pay $200 for a union dufus to drape a single table; etc

That’s the cause of Philadephia fiscal crisis.

Comment by tl
2008-03-03 07:47:54

I agree that Philly is a financial mess waiting to happen (again), but what does Comcast’s new tax-free building have to do with 20th and Market? Comcast’s building is several blocks away.

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Comment by Evil Capitalist
2008-03-03 08:15:43

Oh, they made that entire stretch ( from 17th to 20th ) a KOZ!

 
 
Comment by Desertfox
2008-03-03 08:36:31

I know of one small business here in Tucson that is pulling out of trade shows in Las Vegas for similar reasons. Even if you are unloading and item for example a sewing machine it has to be carried into trade sowh by a union person, then setting up a table ,etc all unon,very costly to the small business. The are instead going to more smaller shows in other cities.

desertfox

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Comment by not a gator
2008-03-03 18:23:44

Hmm, in Baltimore Convention Center Aramark controls everything. :)

They told vendors at an anime convention that they were not allowed to sell Pocky. :( They set up shop selling very bad, very overpriced food. So we left the area in costume, frightening the locals, and got lunch at Burger King and McD’s, which incidently were cheaper in Baltimore, because it’s such a pit or something.

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Comment by mjhlaw
2008-03-03 07:11:54

I don’t disagree with the sentiments re: GWB, but I don’t see how he had much to do with a state or municipal budget issue? When it comes to the lack of fiscal health of states and cities, here’s plenty of blame to go around, to include state governors, state legislatures, big city mayors, etc. etc. ad infinitum.

Comment by mikey(2)
2008-03-03 08:20:36

mjhlaw -Heres’ how GWB can affect states/municipalities: The feds fund the states, to some extent. So, any discontinuing of federal funding and/or cutting of a federal program that a state’s citizens need, results in the state having to shell out more cash of its own. And this runs downhill to the smaller gov’ts.

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Comment by bluprint
2008-03-03 09:23:58

I’m with mjhlaw on this also. Even accepting what you say as true, isn’t it the responsibility of the local/state governments to plan for the possibility their funding might not always be as is? That is a common theme on this blog re the increases in property taxes that local govt’s have been getting, as if it was going to last forever.

Those obligations were made by local/state govt’s not the federal level. Any shortfall is the responsibility of the local govt. I am certainly no fan of GWB for a myriad of reasons but blaming him for everything is getting a bit ridiculous. Next thing you know one of these one-trick ponies is gonna be blaming him for an act of nature.

 
 
 
 
Comment by flatffplan
2008-03-03 06:45:02

maybe my landlocked county could give up it’s Navy

Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 07:40:12

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Comment by CrackerJim
2008-03-03 07:58:48

It is more likely you will give up your “Old Navy”’s if retail keeps getting plastered.

Comment by yensoy
2008-03-03 09:15:54

The gap in defenses will soon make it a banana republic.

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Comment by Kandy Kane-DelMoir
2008-03-03 14:01:35

Quit iiiiit! (Har!)

 
 
 
 
Comment by az_lender
2008-03-03 08:58:00

The specific problems of specific pension-promising entities can be debated at length, but the essential problem is that too many of us are expecting pensions, and too few of us are producing any goods and services. I can remember in my 20’s thinking that the generation just behind me would be doomed by its own enormous demographic size. (I was born in 45.) Japan’s situation in recent decades was intimately connected with an aging population, and so is our situation now.

Comment by not a gator
2008-03-03 18:25:32

you’ve got that right… some good books have been written on this topic.

glad someone made a civil comment on this issue. this is a demographic problem more than an ideological question.

 
 
 
Comment by bizarroworld
2008-03-03 05:15:16

States and Cities Start Rebelling on Bond Ratings
http://tinyurl.com/2rlxxl

“We are learning essentially that the emperor may have no clothes, that there is no real reason to require these towns to have insurance in many instances,” said Richard Blumenthal, the attorney general of Connecticut, who is investigating the ratings firms on antitrust grounds. “And it simply serves the bottom lines of the ratings agencies, the insurers or both.”

Comment by palmetto
2008-03-03 05:31:22

Good for Blumenthal, but he’s a day late and many dollars short, IMHO. Now, since the hedge fund managers have taken up residence in his state in a big way, I’d be a lot happier if he just went for the jugulars of these folks and just froze all their assets. Hedge funds are ugly, and they want to die.

Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 06:11:09

hedge fund managers are in Nebraska?????

Comment by palmetto
2008-03-03 06:17:02

Uh, Blumenthal is in Connecticut. Are we reading the same article?

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Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 06:22:11

Ok. I thought you were talking about Buffett. Hey, it’s early and I’m on my first diet coke.

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-03-03 06:20:48

How about just freezing the assets of mortgage lenders with a New York State foreclosure freeze?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/nyregion/03foreclose.html?ref=nyregion

Does this mean you can just stop paying and live a year or more for free?

Comment by HBBLurker
2008-03-03 10:09:21

What aggrivation, this maybe the last straw to push me to move out of state, this will change nothing, a year from now the house will be worth even less and they still won’t be able to afford it….These dead beats need to learn fical resposibility, if it means they need to be homeless to do it so be it, these ACORN wastes of life need to go way and get jobs doing something usefull…

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Comment by AnonyRuss
2008-03-03 13:57:24

“The bill’s proponents will have to allay concerns that a one-year moratorium might make mortgage lenders less inclined to extend loans to New York home buyers, by reducing their leverage over borrowers who do not keep up with payments.”

“less inclined to extend loans” would be the understatement of the year.

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Comment by polly
2008-03-03 06:01:57

If the towns don’t have insurance, then they will have to pay their bonds at a rate that compensates the holder for the possibility of a downturn in the local economy or a general “tax revolt” by the residents who refuse to fund the obligations they have already taken on. You can’t write debenture to automatically override the laws of the city or town that issued it.

Comment by palmetto
2008-03-03 06:15:54

“You can’t write debenture to automatically override the laws of the city or town that issued it.”

Why not? Seriously, why not? Who follows laws anymore, anyway? Oh, don’t get me wrong, I happen to believe in the rule of law. But a funny thing happened recently. I found out that multinationals, Wall Street, the current administration, illegals, members of Congress, many of my neighbors et al, follow the principle that laws are a complete joke, that they were made to be broken, contracts were made to be broken, nobody has to keep obligations, etc. So why should I bother keeping my agreements, too? (Mainly because I can’t help it, I guess).

 
Comment by flatffplan
2008-03-03 06:46:23

chop heads
any “department” that wasn’t around before 1920
is a layer a welfare in the welfare layer cake

Comment by jim A
2008-03-03 07:36:12

Like say, the Department of Defense?

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Comment by exeter
2008-03-03 07:44:33

Blasphemous Jim!!! Blasphemous I declare!!!

 
Comment by JP
2008-03-03 08:18:20

LOL! Dept of War was certainly more apt.

 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-03-03 08:02:43

Jim A. has a good point.

CIA?

NSA?

Also not important.

Conservative pipe dreams will wish us back to The Bronze Age.

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Comment by JP
2008-03-03 08:19:53

And NASA has been breathing too much air as well.

 
Comment by Kandy Kane-DelMoir
2008-03-03 14:07:10

O, God, what a beautiful dream. The DHS will go away and with it all the post 9/11 Orwellian agitprop like “homeland.”

 
 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 09:24:30

Municipal Bond insurance is a scam.

Less than o.1% default vs 9%+ of corporate bonds and 4% of corporate bonds rated AAA. Yet the ratings agencies are loath to give any municipality AAA. So to get the AAA pricing, municipalities are forced to buy insurance. The ratings agencies appear to have a “sweet heart” contract with the Municipal bond underwriters.

Comment by not a gator
2008-03-03 18:28:18

Nice.

I remember comments from a few weeks ago about how municipal bond insurance was a business in which one ‘prints money’.

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Comment by mrktMaven FL
2008-03-03 05:17:44

Did they cut rates yet?

Comment by palmetto
2008-03-03 05:21:02

What I want to know is, did they cut farts yet? Because Bernanke really stunk out the joint up there on Capitol Hill. Saw it on C-Span.

 
Comment by watcher
2008-03-03 05:27:42

soon maybe:

It is anticipated that a portion of the closed meeting of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System at 11:30 a.m. on Monday, March 3, 2008, will be held under expedited procedures, as set forth in section 26lb.7 of the Board’s Rules Regarding Public Observation of Meetings, at the Board’s offices at 20th Street and C Streets, N.W., Washington, D.C. The following items of official Board business are tentatively scheduled to be considered at that meeting.

Meeting date: March 3, 2008

Matters to be Considered:
1. Review and determination by the Board of Governors of the advance and discount rates to be charged by Federal Reserve Banks.

Comment by mrktMaven FL
2008-03-03 05:48:20

Hmmm. ISM is at 10:00 AM.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 05:58:18

More emergency rate cuts on the way? I guess today would be a great time to buy the dip…

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 07:37:33

ZIRP! ZIRP! ZIRP!

C’mon, baby, c’mon.

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Comment by watcher
2008-03-03 05:20:59

euroflation:

March 3 (Bloomberg) — European inflation remained last month at the highest level since the euro’s debut, keeping pressure on the European Central Bank to leave interest rates on hold even as economic growth cools.

Consumer-price growth in the euro area was 3.2 percent in February, the European Union’s statistics office in Luxembourg said today. That matched January’s rate, the highest since the euro was introduced in 1999, and was in line with the median forecast of 41 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News.

http://tinyurl.com/2pvnqs

Comment by nhz
2008-03-03 07:46:48

of course, real inflation for daily expenses is much higher, in the 10% range just like in the US (M3 growth is also around 15%/year).

 
 
Comment by bizarroworld
2008-03-03 05:28:53

Bond-market crisis could cost state millions
http://tinyurl.com/224o7w

She said interest rates in that market are now topping 6 percent for the first time in at least eight years. And since the state is already paying $5 billion a year in interest and principle on that debt, even an increase as small as 1 percent in interest rates could drive up costs by $500 million annually, she said.

Since NY can’t seem to ever cut expenses, I think the taxman will be getting back most of that $600 sent from the feds.

Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 06:38:30

I called a friend of mine who’s the cfo of an insurance company to tell him about the offers in the muni market on Friday (6% ytm). He wasn’t interested yet, thinks about 7.5 - 9 before it’s all over.

Comment by WT Economist
2008-03-03 07:50:09

As a resident of NY State, I am in favor of defaulting on debts and pensions rather than raising taxes or cutting services. In the end, services are going to collapse anyway — they’ll keep sucking money out until they do.

Defaults would be justice. The public employee unions have been raping us in the public sector through pensions, and the rich — who tend to invest in municipals so they don’t have to pay taxes — in the private sector. They beleive they have obtained a lien against whatever future we have left. But when you ain’t got nothing, you’ve got nothing to lose.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 08:13:36

You should start campaigning for this.

If your campaign ever gets credible, I’ll put my money on a bullet in your head with upstate burial, or concrete shoes in the Hudson.

But what do I know about these things compared to the fury of those who have nothing to lose?

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Comment by spike66
2008-03-03 08:38:01

WT may not have to compaign on this issue…it may happen anyway. MTA bond auction failed Friday…and the state has acknowledged a 4.5 billion dollar shortfall. Bloomberg is at least is aware of the dangers, but those clowns in Albany are as dumb as Californians.

 
 
Comment by Evil Capitalist
2008-03-03 08:22:24

Tax munis the same way we tax other debt placement. It is rather simple. It baffles me that people do not undetstand that cheap money on a muni market compared to money in the other debt market is what makes municipalities bloat their budgets.

It can be seen everywhere… Want to know why college tuitions are through the roofs? Look at the interest rates charged on the student loans!

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 08:24:43

Let’s just wait and see what happens in Kentucky v. Davis, shall we?

An unexpected JT might just come CA and NY’s way.

 
Comment by Evil Capitalist
2008-03-03 08:49:20

Would not it at best result of out of state munis being tax free?

I’m arguing that munis as the class should be taxed the same way the other debt instruments are taxed if we want to stop municipalities from borrowing money just because the money is there to be borrowed.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 08:56:54

Yes, but i don’t think you appreciate the consequences.

It means that “responsible” munis (they do exist, BTW) will benefit, and “irresponsible” ones must now compete nationally.

Munis will now compete with each other for the same investment dollar.

CA, NY and IL are overwhelmingly irresponsible. They will get shafted bigtime.

 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-03-03 11:15:29

… sooner.

 
 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 09:01:12

Agreed on your CFO friend.

Not buying before the munis offer a serious premium over treasuries. The risks are underappreciaed IMHO.

 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2008-03-03 05:31:39

From Ip at WSJ:

So why is the Fed more worried about growth than inflation? First, it thinks run-ups in commodity prices explain the increases, not only in overall inflation but also in core inflation: higher energy costs have “passed through” to other goods and services. Core inflation rose and fell with energy inflation between early 2006 and mid-2007, and the Fed thinks the same thing is probably happening now. If energy and food prices stop rising — they don’t have to actually fall — both overall and core inflation should recede.

So far, they’re still rising: wheat, oil and gold hit nominal records last week. But Fed officials don’t think the latest jump can be justified by fundamental supply and demand. U.S. inventories of crude oil and gasoline are plentiful. Strong demand from China isn’t new and should have been factored into prices long ago. A more likely explanation: investors, perhaps alarmed by the Fed’s dovish stance, are pouring money into commodity funds and foreign currencies as a hedge against inflation.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120451169194606865.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 05:42:25

“So why is the Fed more worried about growth than inflation?”

They don’t seem to believe in macroeconomic budget constraints (tantamount to a belief they can always print and helicopter-drop away their troubles…)

 
Comment by measton
2008-03-03 07:29:04

So far, they’re still rising: wheat, oil and gold hit nominal records last week. But Fed officials don’t think the latest jump can be justified by fundamental supply and demand. U.S. inventories of crude oil and gasoline are plentiful.

Could the reason be a complete lac of faith in the US dollar and the FED??

That’s my guess, everyone knows the US is in debt up to it’s eyeballs. Why hold the currency of a country that can’t balance it’s books.

 
 
Comment by Ernest
2008-03-03 05:38:59

The Federal Reserve’s rescue has failed

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor

The verdict is in. The Fed’s emergency rate cuts in January have failed to halt the downward spiral towards a full-blown debt deflation. Much more drastic action will be needed.

Yields on two-year US Treasuries plummeted to 1.63pc on Friday in a flight to safety, foretelling financial winter.

The debt markets are freezing ever deeper, a full eight months into the crunch. Contagion is spreading into the safest pockets of the US credit universe.

It is hard to imagine a more plain-vanilla outfit than the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which manages bridges, bus terminals, and airports.

The authority is a public body, backed by the two states. Yet it had to pay 20pc rates in February after the near closure of the $330bn (£166m) “term-auction” market. It had originally expected to pay 4.3pc, but that was aeons ago in financial time.

“I never thought I would see anything like this in my life,” said James Steele, an HSBC economist in New York.

No sane mortal needs to know what term-auction means, except that it too became a tool of the US credit alchemists. Banks briefly used the market as laboratory for conjuring long-term loans at Alan Greenspan’s giveaway short-term rates. It has come unstuck. Next in line is the $45trillion derivatives market for credit default swaps (CDS).

Last week, the spreads on high-yield US bonds vaulted to 718 basis points. The iTraxx Crossover index measuring corporate default risk in Europe smashed the 600 barrier. We are now far beyond the August spike.

Sub-prime debt is plumbing new depths. A-rated securities issued in early 2007 fell to a record 12.72pc of face value on Friday. The BBB tier fetched 10.42pc. The “toxic” tranches are worthless.

Why won’t it end? Because US house prices are in free fall. The Case-Shiller index for the 20 biggest cities dropped 9.1pc year-on-year in December. The annualised rate of fall was 18pc in the fourth quarter, and gathering speed.

…For the first time since this Greek tragedy began, I am now really frightened.

http://tinyurl.com/27qlmp

Comment by ACH
2008-03-03 06:26:21

“…For the first time since this Greek tragedy began, I am now really frightened.”
Hmm. What he or any of the Feds, banks, state-local-FED gov’t, borrowers, Americans in general, still don’t “get” is that we can’t hide from this. No one will escape- not the innocent, guilty, enablers, or bystanders. It’s just too big.
I have a real problem with this. I am in TIAA CREF. I cannot pull my 305b into cash and buy gold or euros or anything. It must stay in the account. Take a look at TIAA CREF and you’ll see that the only thing that isn’t in the red is Money Market account. Taking inflation into account means that I am taking a bath. I’m one of the innocent bystanders that Ben was talking about. Trouble is, he and the Fed didn’t protect me like they are falsely claiming.
I can’t run, and I can’t hide. I also didn’t have a damn thing to do with any of this. I just can’t protect myself and that is frustrating. I’m going to go broke because everyone else is. I saw this coming a long time ago. It didn’t matter and I KNEW THAT IT DIDN’T MATTER. I had a long talk with my wife last summer about this. I told her that we will take a really bad hit over all of this, and we did everything right.
Dammit.
Roidy

Comment by oxide
2008-03-03 06:56:47

Can you transfer least some of it into TIAA-Guaranteed? That’s still paying something like 4.5%(?) . TIAA is one of the safest in the biz — if they go down, it won’t matter because we’ll be in canned pea and AK-47 territory anyway.

Problem is, if you want to go from Traditional back to the other retirement funds, you have to do it over 9 years. But if the $$$ is stuck there until you’re 59.5 anyway, it’s a possible option…

Comment by ACH
2008-03-03 08:12:34

Oh yes, that is an option. It will moderate the hit, but it still doesn’t really change that much since I’m seeing inflation going up and away. 4.5% is better than nothing.
Still dammit.
Roidy

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Comment by motepug
2008-03-03 08:23:51

I transferred TIAA CREF to a Vanguard IRA, as well as the TIAA traditional guaranteed annuity. This was after I left the place that offered TIAA/CREF. As I recall TIAA gave me a hassle about transferring the annuity - I had to get a bank signature guarantee. It eventually worked, and I got all the money out.

If TIAA/CREF goes down the tubes, we are all hosed. At least with the guarenteed annuity, you get 3%/yr minimum, but I’d even start questioning that - they can’t keep it up if their portfolio (primarily commercial real estate) keeps losing value.

 
 
Comment by nhz
2008-03-03 07:48:48

Ambrose has just one message, we need rockbottom interest rates forever. I guess he is heavily leveraged in stocks and real estate …

 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-03-03 11:30:07

Gosh, what about having a “What are we doing that has never failed yet is actually pretty risky if you think about it” meeting at all government finance agencies? Then they can get out from under the next crashing domino before their peers.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 05:47:17

I see plenty of evidence that the macroeconomic budget constraint does exist, at least in the mid run (which is shorter than the long run, at which point you are dead):


Auction Supply `Tsunami’ Foreshadows Deeper Municipal Losses

By Michael McDonald

March 3 (Bloomberg) — U.S. states and local governments may extend the worst slump in municipal bonds on record as they replace as much as $166 billion of auction-rate securities.

California, Boston’s biggest hospital and Duke Energy Corp. are converting their bonds to other types of tax-exempt debt after auction failures drove rates as high as 20 percent. The potential supply equals almost 40 percent of the municipal securities sold last year, overwhelming a market that tumbled 4.9 percent last month, according to indexes maintained by Merrill Lynch & Co., which began compiling market data in 1989.

Rates increased last month as investors shunned the securities on concern the insurers that guaranteed the debt may be downgraded, and as dealers refused to buy bonds that went unsold at auctions. The higher borrowing costs are squeezing states and towns just as slowing growth threatens to cut revenue.

“It’s a supply tsunami,” said Robert Fuller, principal of Capital Markets Management LLC in Hopewell, New Jersey, a financial adviser to municipalities. “All of that is going to be redone and it’s going to be redone fast,” he said of auction-rate bonds.

Comment by watcher
2008-03-03 05:54:49

Surfs up.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 05:51:22

Issue #140: Friday, February 29, 2008

Why the U.S. Slowdown May
Last Longer Than Even
Bernanke Thinks Part I

——————————————————————————–
Today’s commentary is by Sean Hyman, Currency Director and editor of The Money Trader.

Good Day Currency Traders!

On Wednesday, Ben Bernanke gave a dire report to Congress. From all of the real-time data that gets pumped into the Fed, it seems he’s concluded that the slowdown could last until 2010. I think he’s probably right on that one.

Why? For starters, the credit markets haven’t improved, no matter how “cheap” Bernanke makes the U.S. dollar. Also, banks are now extremely tight-fisted. They don’t even want to lend to each other -much less someone like you or me. It seems banks have figured out they were too “loose” with their money before, and now they’re going to the other extreme.

Until banks loosen up a bit, Bernanke can’t really do anything. He can slash interest rates down to zero if he wants, and it still won’t help if banks refuse to give individuals and businesses access to this “cheap money.” So he controls the rates but the banks control the cash right now.

A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining, but wants it back the minute it begins to rain.

– Mark Twain –

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 05:56:06

Do auctioned monies need to be repaid?


U.S. Fed to auction another $60 bln in March

WASHINGTON, Feb. 29 (Xinhua) — The Federal Reserve will auction another 60 billion dollars in March, continuing its efforts to deal with a severe credit crunch, the U.S. central bank announced Friday.

Two auctions will be held, on Mach 10 and 24 respectively, and each offers 30 billion dollars, the Fed said in a press release.

The central bank also said that it intends to conduct biweekly auctions “for as long as necessary” to address elevated pressures in the credit markets.

“Decisions regarding auctions in April will be announced by Friday, March 28,” said the Fed.

The Fed has held six auctions so far aimed at injecting more money into the banking system since mid-December last year, when it established its Term Auction Facility to deliver short-term funds to banks that are in need of liquidity.

Two auctions each in December, January and February provided a total of 160 billion dollars in extra reserves through short-term loans to cash-strapped banks.

Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 06:01:36

Hey Stucco. Why don’t you jet into town this afternoon and you can go with me tonight to an event at a private home where Gloria Steinem will tell us why we must vote for the witch tomorrow. I have to have a date for this. Ha ha ha.

Comment by oxide
2008-03-03 06:09:10

Reverse sexism, woo-hoo.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:16:14

Sorry I have to turn you down — gotta work for a living. How about asking your husband?

P.S. Have you seen the movie Definitely, Maybe yet? If this movie enjoys wide popularity, it could be one of the kisses of death for Hillberry’s campaign. (It includes footage of the Jennifer Flowers interview during the 1992 campaign, and later footage of BC trying to articulate what the definition of “is is.”)

Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 06:20:23

He’s out of town. Oh well, another networking opportunity down the drain. LOL

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Comment by CA renter
2008-03-03 06:25:22

How about Hoz? ;)

 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 06:30:20

Huh? Leave where, who what?
I don’t understand, what did I miss? Where am I?

 
Comment by auger-inn
2008-03-03 06:36:11

I’d bet NYC Boy or Palmetto would like to go? :)

 
Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 06:40:15

I need a good rock ribbed neocon to go to stir things up.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:51:47

“rock ribbed neocon”

OMG — you think I fit that description?

 
Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 07:01:42

No, but I know you’re a Hillberry baiter.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 07:14:36

Phew…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 07:18:03

TxChick —

In case you go see that movie I recommended, my politics most closely resemble those of girlfriend Rachel’s — one who intensely dislikes politics and avoids thinking or talking about it, but nonetheless cannot avoid noticing the Clintons’ issues from the get-go…

 
Comment by Blano
2008-03-03 09:02:02

Sign me up txchick.

 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2008-03-03 07:52:35

I would pay money to see PBear at a Hillary Clinton event.

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Comment by cassiopeia
2008-03-03 11:54:39

Me too. Good money. Not dollars. Gold.

 
 
 
Comment by Blano
2008-03-03 06:28:08

Isn’t your commie lib hubby (your words IIRC) dying to go to that???

Comment by Blano
2008-03-03 06:29:16

Oh sorry, the above post wasn’t there a minute ago.

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Comment by mrktMaven FL
2008-03-03 06:02:22

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Warren Buffett on Monday said the U.S. economy is in recession and that “stocks are not cheap.”

Speaking on CNBC television, Buffett also said he is no longer offering to guarantee $800 million of municipal bonds backed by MBIA Inc….

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSWEN425620080303

Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 06:09:34

I don’t know about you but if I have to hear one more idiot say that technology stocks are cheap, I’m gonna hurl. That’s my favorite area for short selling.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 08:03:37

You’re hurting the feelings of all the little AAPL-et droids. You can’t do that!

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 13:01:43

You mean the ones who are riding a falling knife to a crash landing by owning shares of this
stock?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:04:19

Implications?


Fannie Proposes Ban on Lenders’ In-House Appraisers (Update1)

By Karen Freifeld and Sharon L. Lynch

Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) — Fannie Mae, the biggest source of financing for U.S. home loans, told lenders it will probably ban their use of appraisals by in-house employees or those arranged by brokers.

Fannie Mae distributed the proposal, a response to New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo’s yearlong mortgage probe, to lenders in a “talking points” memo this week, according to a person familiar with the document. The memo was published on American Banker’s Web site yesterday.

It would be a monumental change because it would require a shift in the way that the lending industry does business,” said Jonathan Miller, chief executive officer of Manhattan-based appraisal company Miller Samuel Inc. and a longtime proponent of creating a firewall between residential appraisers and mortgage originators. “I think it would be tremendous.”

Comment by Roger H
2008-03-03 06:38:08

This is going to be huge. I have a friend who was going to refinance her home. She checked with a real estate agent whom gave her a free appraisal and a mortgage broker who provided a preliminary appraisal. Then her original loan company, Countrywide offered to refinance her home and provided an in house appraisal at a much higher value then the two previous appraisals. Countrywide offered a cash out refinancing for the 100% of the house value. She felt that the Countrywide in-house appraisal was way over valued and she would have been underwater for years if she had taken their offer – especially with the cash out part.

I feel that as this whole bubble unwinds, we are going to see a lot of people underwater in their mortgages - not just the no money down crowd.

Comment by warlock
2008-03-03 08:32:50

Imho - this is where it gets to be critical - just how far has this thing penetrated into the middle/upper middle class of existing home owners? (ie. people who’ve owned there houses for more than 5 years say.)

 
 
Comment by dimedropped (Orlando)
2008-03-03 06:42:30

They put that proposal on hold as the fact is big business would try to take over the appraisal assignment aspect which has happened through what are known as Appraisal Management Companies. Few people know this fact. The AMC takes 1/2 the fee and the appraiser gets roughty $150-$190 per job. The AMC takes the other 1/2 for assigning the job to the appraiser.

Pressure? It still exists as if the AMC does not pressure the appraiser on behalf of the lender they switch AMC’s and the AMC’s know this. In the past the management companies would select the number hitters and call them preferred appraisers.

The only way to get the pressure out of the system is to have a round robin wherein the appraiser is a blind selection.

I am not really into the mortgage end of the business but with the failing moral climate it is the only way I can see for it to work.

Simply set up a database, orders come in and go out in a double blind scenario. With todays technology it would be rather simple really.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-03-03 09:48:01

IMHO , neutral appraisal assignment is the only way we can purge the system of the corrupt “hit the mark” appraisal system that contributed to the fake housing boom . Mortgage brokers , RE sales people and appraisals have proven that they are crooks when not policed .

The appraisal is the most important aspect of a loan in the final analysis ,and during the boom prices were just made up with no logical basis other than a a sale had been made . Also, when builders put out prices ,it shouldn’t be based on any damn price they think investors in a frenzy will pay, given the hype . Prices shouldn’t be based on investor demand anyway because speculator
demand anyway because it’s the highest risk loan . Everybody should of know that low down liar loans were fueling the market and those loans inflated real estate prices more than any other factor .
The whole lending system is corrupt and it had to be to create prices that would fall 50 to 70% with the massive amount of foreclosures on the books . How much proof does the government need to realize that the current system failed and it was really a ‘crime wave”.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:06:37


MBIA, Ambac Filings Show Subprime Losses Continued (Update1)

By Christine Richard

March 3 (Bloomberg) — MBIA Inc. and Ambac Financial Group Inc., the bond insurers hobbled by $10 billion of writedowns on subprime debt last year, said losses continued into 2008.

 
Comment by oxide
2008-03-03 06:07:10

I visited Washington DC this weekend and picked up a copy of the free rag mag MetroDC Home Improvment. In the little Editor blurb, the Editor says (paraphrase): “After much debate, I moved into a larger house last fall. Granted, I am leasing the place, but I convinced the owner to let me upgrade the landscaping myself blah, blah blah, so of course I had to hire a designer…because of course if I did it myself, the advertisers in my rag mag would get p.o.’ed blah blah…”

Granted, I am leasing the place? Even the editor of the home improvement magazine is renting, and therefore probably can’t hire someone to build $$$$ cabinets for her shoe collection. Oh, the hypocrisy. [and notice that she can't bring herself to say she is "renting" the place.]

Comment by zeropointzero
2008-03-03 06:42:30

As goofy as this sounds - it still might be a better idea than buying some far-suburban/exurban place in the DC area. Probably paying less in rent than a mortgage payment - and able to walk away to another deal or reolocation or back to Mom’s basement easily.

Comment by oxide
2008-03-03 07:03:22

Oh, you’re rignt. By the time you figure in HOA and taxes, she’s probably paying HALF of a mortgage payment on a McMansion. [and if she has the cash to landscape it herself, I bet she sold at peak.]

But, this mag is a basically a rag of ads for high-end design for “outdoor rooms” and custom wine cellars and five-star bathrooms, stuff you can’t do in a rental. The editor, of all people, should not be renting, and definitely not admitting it.

Comment by exit56
2008-03-03 08:00:18

Not so crazy, really. I signed a 3 year lease last summer, then proceeded to finish the landlord’s basement at my own expense.

I reckon I’m still way ahead of the game, having sold my house back in the summer of 2005.

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Comment by phillygal
2008-03-03 06:45:26

Leasing: it’s the new renting.

So now we’re going to be swamped with poseurs who are “leasing” a house or condo. People must be so insecure to have to come up with alternate terminology to validate themselves. And the editor didn’t spell out the terms of her rehab of her new leased house. Who’s picking up the tab, landlord or editor?

Comment by oxide
2008-03-03 10:35:05

Editor is paying. She mentioned something about fitting it to “my” budget. So where did she get the money to hire a designer to landscape a big house she’s renting? It’s not like she can take the trees with her if she moves. She must have cash to burn.

 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-03-03 20:48:52

Well, they are leasing their cars, so why not?

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:11:12

updated 1 hour, 24 minutes ago

HSBC profits hit by subprime fallout

LONDON, England (AP) — HSBC Holdings PLC says profit rose 21 percent in 2007 despite taking a beating in North America.

The company reports a profit of $19.1 billion compared with $15.8 billion in 2006.

Pretax profits in North America fell 98 percent to $91 million compared to 4.67 billion in 2006.

Loan impairment charges related to the subprime mortgage crisis in the United States and other credit provisions rose 79 percent to $11.7 billion.

Comment by exeter
2008-03-03 06:23:48

“Pretax profits in North America fell 98 percent to $91 million compared to 4.67 billion in 2006.”

Breathtaking yet baffling considering a 21% increase in profits. Decoupled?

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 07:00:19

“Decoupled?”

My knee-jerk guess is accounting gimmickry, but then I am quite cynical by nature…

Comment by Legal Eagle
2008-03-03 07:21:03

HSBC had some of the lowest lending standards ever. They would give a 2nd mortgage or credit card to virtually anyone in North America. I don’t find it suprising at all that they had a 98% reduction in profits. I am also suspect of their claim that their Asian markets offset the American losses. Then again, who knows. Maybe they just haven’t realized their bad loans in Asia yet.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 07:31:22

“Maybe they just haven’t realized their bad loans in Asia yet.”

= accounting gimmicks — exactly my point

 
Comment by Bloz
2008-03-03 20:54:39

Hey! I got a mortgage from HSBC! It was an 5/1 ARM refinance while I was working at a Dot Com company in California.

How much of a cliche am I? ;-)

 
 
Comment by exeter
2008-03-03 07:53:04

I was being facetious. No doubt there is enron-eque accounting with this one.

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Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 08:07:55

HSBC is probably going to be the first bank I will buy. They wrote off their entire N.A portfolio. Very Large in Asia.

Asia is the market - Not North America.

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Comment by yensoy
2008-03-03 09:43:53

You think it’s any different here in Asia? There is a pretty sizeable housing bubble both in India and in China.

 
Comment by RoundSparrow
2008-03-03 12:41:59

China has many more positive bubbles to go. The USA is in serious failure bubbles.

Both are change. China’s changes are mostly good. USA’s changes are mostly bad. Transfer of mfg and technology has already happened. They will eventually tie or beat us at our own game - they just want it more.

The USA really needs to get it’s shit together. Way too much central government. Cut the fed government by 1/2 and give it back to the states. Our culture also needs to value education over spending.

 
 
 
Comment by Evil Capitalist
2008-03-03 08:35:22

Nope. HSBC is a giant in the rest of the world, especially Asia. it has very small operation in the US. The delay between HSBC US taking a hit vs. HSBC outside of the US should be at least 6 months.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:23:26

Today could be a very good day to buy the dip…


Stock Futures Lose Ground Ahead of Manufacturing Data

By Steve Goldstein
Word Count: 619 | Companies Featured in This Article: American International Group, Northrop Grumman, EADS, Boeing, Berkshire Hathaway, United Technologies, Diebold, HSBC Holdings, Xstrata, Vale

Stock futures dropped on Monday ahead of data on manufacturing that could show industrial activity on the wane, as the dollar fell to its worst level against a basket of currencies since 1973.

More than two hours before the start of trading, Dow Jones Industrial Average futures lost 102 points to 12204. The S&P 500 futures slipped 6.7 points to 1324.60, and Nasdaq 100 futures fell 10 points to 1738.25. Changes in futures don’t always accurately predict early market moves after the opening bell.

Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 07:15:52

I’m already partially long and am looking to buy this selloff.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 07:35:04

You have a great opening bell drop from which the market is bound to rebound…

http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/marketsummary/

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2008-03-03 10:20:02

Picked up a few long positions here. Suspect gld will be a short candidate soon - waiting for the entry point.

 
 
Comment by nhz
2008-03-03 07:52:18

buy the dip … let me guess, last chance to buy gold before it crosses the $ 1000 line forever?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:25:44


Sawdust Shock: A Shortage Looms As Economy Slows

By Joel Millman
Word Count: 1,206

Ernie Johnson figured $100-a-barrel oil was bound to happen someday. But the 58-year-old businessman Missoula, Mont., never thought he’d see sawdust at $100 a ton.

The price of sawdust has soared since 2006, up from about $25 a ton to more than $100 in some markets. Blame the housing slump: Fewer new homes mean fewer trees cut for use in construction, which leads to less sawdust and other wood waste, driving up the price.

Comment by oxide
2008-03-03 06:40:15

I thought homes were made of OSB, which is basically glorified sawdust and glue. Wouldn’t the demand (and price) of sawdust go down too?

(maybe I should track the price of Tyvek…)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2008-03-03 06:50:52

If they’re not cutting as many trees into boards, there’s less sawdust being created. I guess someone will have to come up with a chipper/grinder process to convert whole trees directly to sawdust.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:58:16

You can think of the home construction boom as having created sawdust as a free (waste) byproduct — in effect, the housing boom subsidized sawdust production.

It is quite another matter when one has to bear the direct costs of $100+/bl oil and other production inputs in order to obtain sawdust (hence the $100/t sticker price).

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Comment by SunDevil
2008-03-03 20:23:51

I can not believe it. And that is why I failed.

To think, that there are people making a fortune selling sawdust right now.

I love these examples of thinking 7 or 8 steps down the road.

Freaking sawdust. Sawdust.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:27:18


Wall Street Gears for Its New Pain

U.S. commercial real-estate values are starting to slide, and Goldman Sachs analysts project a prolonged sharp decline, with steep losses for financial firms.

Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 07:17:21

Amazing how GS waits until it is short up the waazoo before they make their findings public.

Comment by Brian in Chicago
2008-03-03 08:16:22

If their researchers and analysts are on their payroll, I’d expect them to make their move and then release the data (if they release it at all).

On the other hand, if GS clients are paying for timely research, I think they may have a gripe or two.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 09:15:54

Actually, if you look carefully, you will find that their options market-making books, and structured derivatives books are carefully left unhedged in the correct direction.

Not that I recommend that the SEC look or some such.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:28:08


Countrywide’s Mortgage Woes Deepen

By James R. Hagerty
Word Count: 500 | Companies Featured in This Article: Bank of America

Comment by Mr. Drysdale
2008-03-03 07:58:45

Jeez, if I were king of BofA, I’d nix that deal ASAP. Nobody else will want CFC, so assuming they still want it later this year, they can pick it up later at a fraction of the price.

Comment by Evil Capitalist
2008-03-03 08:41:58

Why not lookat other possible motivation:

What if BOA is holding the same securities that CFC is holding. These securities aren’t caching bids. CFC is valuing them nearly at face. Since there are no trades, BOA is booking those securities very high as well. If CFC fails, then those securities will be sold off at any price, forcing BOA to mark them to market. Oops… BOA goes tits up. Buying CFC is like an insurance policy that those securities aren’t hitting the market.

 
 
 
Comment by Negative Creep
2008-03-03 06:45:26

Vallejo avoids Chapter 9?

http://tinyurl.com/3a99hn

When City Hall Goes Bankrupt

http://tinyurl.com/3cjt35

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 06:53:17

Vallejo = canary in the coal mine for U.S. cities?

Comment by aNYCdj
2008-03-03 07:56:38

Well Sorry guys we don’t have the $$$ anymore to honor the contract. So we increase RE taxes 25% or more making things worse or we gotta ask you to give back some of the gains in the last contract. Or we file bankruptcy……. Tough Choice

——————–
Local police and fire contracts negotiated during more prosperous times now make up nearly 80 percent of Vallejo’s $80 million general fund.

 
 
 
Comment by A.B. Dada
2008-03-03 07:12:36

This week will be the first week in 8 years that my AR averagewill exceed 45 days past invoice (NET30 is the norm). I work in the contracting and faith market (builders and churches, go figure!). We planned for this 2 years ago (actually, planned to see things hit 60 days in 2007), so it isn’t effecting me very much, but to watch it happen within 90 days (to go from around 35 days average to 45 days average that fast) was much more surprising.

Thankfully, our construction market is primarily health care (hospitals, etc), and the faith market is primarily medium sized churches (300-600), so I’m not expecting a huge recession, but the slowdown was enough to show me that others who compete with me (in less recession-proof markets) are going to get toasted.

I know most of my competitors fairly well, and many of them can’t handle a 5-day past due on their NET30 invoices. The overhead is killing them, and I’ve heard from quite a few competitors that their LOCs have been reduced, and Amex is performing CLDs on those who are running personal credit balances high (even though the Amex cards are business cards). Scary.

For those who are considering going into business for themselves, now is a great time to learn about the market cycles. Always, always, always try to function cash flow positive. Boom years mean one thing: sock some cash away for the bust years. During the dotcom years we grew as strong as during the dotbomb years, because we saved for the many rainy days.

I’m wondering if I can watch for a market bottom to pick up some competitors’ client books cheap. Lots of people are going to be exiting the market in the next 5 years (sometimes because of bankruptcy), and that’s a perfect time to swoop in and pick up the long-term stable businesses.

Ahh, mergers and acquisitions, I wish I never met you.

 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2008-03-03 07:14:22

Do you think Shiller will need to write another excuse for the Fed a year or two from now? It seems like they are very aware of the risks. More doom and gloom rate cut justification:

March 3 (Bloomberg) — Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia President Charles Plosser said the benchmark interest rate is now below the level recommended by “many” monetary-policy theories and should be raised when financial markets stabilize.

“We are now, perhaps, in a period of extraordinary circumstances and have deviated from the benchmarks suggested by simple rules,” Plosser said in prepared remarks to a conference in Arlington, Virginia. “Such deviations should be temporary and limited and promptly reversed when conditions return to normal.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ay0gCAXZt37A&refer=home

 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-03-03 07:17:36

The New Yorker: “The argument against home ownership: What was a savings plan is now pushing some into indentured servitude”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23439843/

Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-03-03 08:39:35

Here’s the direct link at the New Yorker.

James Surowiecki is an excellent Big Picture economics writer, IMO. He tackles some fairly complex ideas without being overly wonky in his approach. He’s had some nice insight into derivatives, the credit bubble, the diminished buying power and other related issues in the past couple of months.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 08:53:25

This boom was always about indentured servitude. Housing was only the vehicle.

That’s what debt is for most people — indentured servitude. You’re hocking your future labor for a thing now, and praying that inflation will mitigate it somewhat.

I assume you’ve seen this from May 2006: The New Road to Serfdom (Warning: large PDF file)

 
Comment by Asparagus
2008-03-03 08:59:16

When I worked at a bank in Boston, if someone bought a house, everyone would celebrate. Then the division head would call you in his office and tell you that he now owned you. He loved mortgages because he could push “homeowners” harder and further than renters. The speech became fairly well known. Since then, I’ve heard that thought from quite a few in management.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 09:06:40

This only works in the 20% down, equity always staying above zero world.

With negative equity, the homedebtors own the bank, as the banks are learning to their dismay.

Comment by combotechie
2008-03-03 09:41:25

I think his point was that the employees of the bank were now owned by the bank due to their mortgage, not the customers of the bank.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 09:57:49

Oh yeah, employers love their little servile b*tches!

 
Comment by Asparagus
2008-03-03 10:18:17

Combo-T,
Thanks for the clarification.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2008-03-03 07:26:05

Looks like silver is above 20.0 USD per oz. I talked to my brother last night he works for Countrywide says Bank of America is all over the place and acting serious about the buy out. I bet it doesn’t go through and told him that, oh no he says “CFC can do things other companies can’t”. OK I say you would know.

Comment by mrktMaven FL
2008-03-03 07:33:30

I suspect CFC is insolvent (LOL) and the PTB will do whatever it takes to make the deal stick. The last thing they need now is some kind of confidence breaking Northern Rock run.

 
Comment by Blano
2008-03-03 09:14:15

Geez……by the time I get a change to go get some it’s going to be $25 or more.

Comment by Blano
2008-03-03 09:39:00

change = chance

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 07:38:27

Here we go again with that wacked-out T-bond chart on the marketwatch.com web site. They really ought to fix this puppy, as these spasmodic-looking graphs are rather unnerving to view.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 07:42:53

Here is another intriguing view (perhaps this is not just a technical glitch in the marketwatch.com web site).

Long term T-bond yield movements appear to be crumbling into Cantor’s dust.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 13:08:01

If the l-t T-bond market was a cardiac patient, I would have to conclude from its EKG that it died at shortly after 10am today.

 
 
Comment by Arwen_U
2008-03-03 07:55:16

Same thing at yahoo finance. I wonder if it will go on all day again.

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 07:40:12

Obituaries
Lawyer George J. Wallace; Helped Bring Changes in Bankruptcy Laws

Monday, March 3, 2008; Page B06

“George John Wallace, 65, a consumer credit lawyer who pushed to retool bankruptcy laws for two decades, died of lymphoma Feb. 20 at his second home in Belfast, Maine. He also lived in Alexandria.

For 15 years before becoming a practicing lawyer, Mr. Wallace wrote articles about consumer issues and taught at several universities. From 1983 to 2002, he specialized in bankruptcy, housing and credit issues.

From 1997 through 2005, Mr. Wallace also served as counsel to the Coalition for Responsible Bankruptcy Laws, a lobbying group of banking and credit institutions that successfully sought bankruptcy reform. Their efforts culminated in the passage of the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005. …\

“The laws are fundamentally flawed, and the need for reform is urgent,” he said.

“Our economy can ill afford a situation in which bill-paying American consumers and debtors who deserve bankruptcy relief pay higher prices because others have run up large debts and then use bankruptcy irresponsibly and often dishonestly.”… ”
Washington Post

The only lawyer that could have gotten the BK reform bill through and the government bought into the banks scenario, free credit for everyone.

Comment by MEaston
2008-03-03 10:36:21

This bill is what got me thinking that the bubble was about to burst. They were planning ahead. I sold my house the next year and became a renter.

 
 
Comment by mgnyc99
2008-03-03 07:41:35

and the not ready for subprime players….. from ny magazine

http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/44763/

Comment by Asparagus
2008-03-03 09:23:02

That’s one sad group.
And those pictures? Jeez.
OK smile, you’re being featured in an article about really bad decisions.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 09:27:49

Madre de dios!

These people pay far far more than I do, and I’m the one supposedly living in the `fancy’ part of town.

$5000/mo in Pelham? Charter-bus drivers? Publicists?

These people are completely off-the-charts drooling-slightly-from-the-side insane!!!

Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 10:41:50

Dear God. 7% is too high.

Are all these people 20 years old?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 11:02:50

It is if you make $25K, and you borrowed $300K.

But yeah, I agree with you. It’s a non-stop struggle against stupidity in this golden city of ours.

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Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 07:47:19

Irwin Financial Corporation Announces Suspension of Quarterly Dividends
Monday March 3, 8:30 am ET

COLUMBUS, Ind., March 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ — Irwin Financial Corporation (NYSE: IFC - News), a bank holding company focusing on small business and consumer mortgage lending, today announced its Board of Directors has voted to suspend quarterly dividends on its common, preferred and trust preferred securities.

“During the last two years, our dividends have exceeded our earnings,” noted Will Miller, Chairman and CEO. “Until we return to normal levels of profitability, that is neither a sustainable nor wise strategy….”

Yahoo
http://tinyurl.com/yu4eg6

Comment by Blano
2008-03-03 09:50:39

I was considering buying a local bank stock that’s in a similar boat as this bank as a dividend play, as they’ve just announced another dividend and say they intend to maintain it. The current yield is 8.7%.

Articles like this though give me pause, along with other banks in the area that have already cut/eliminated dividends. The ‘08 EPS estimate won’t cover the dividend as it stands, so I’m a bit gunshy at this point.

Comment by Asparagus
2008-03-03 10:39:18

I’m watching some local banks (around Boston) as well and I would love some input.

I follow the foreclosures in my area and I rarely see the local banks involved. Is that because they are not starting the foreclosure process or is it that they were smarter about lending money? (I’m just now starting the homework process on this)

Do you see that on your end?

Speaking to some bank folks about the last slowdown, their comment was that the local banks had a far better understanding of the real estate situation. When the SHTF, they thought their stock prices got unjustifiably hammered, so they decided to write everything off they could, a la big bath theory. That left them with a superior balance sheet and the opportunity for a nice pop when things started to settle down.

Comment by Blano
2008-03-03 12:18:14

I’m still doing my homework too, so you’re not getting an expert opinion here necessarily.

In this particular case, It doesn’t seem like this local bank went out of control re: homelending. They also seem rather conservative with regard to their loan loss provisions in that they seem to reserve fully at the first sign of trouble. The problems seem to stem from commercial loans, especially to auto suppliers.

Also, although the numbers aren’t huge, there’s been some insider buying not just directly by officers/directors, but also for their IRA’s, trusts, spouses IRA’s and trusts, and the like. 500 here, 1500 there, 3500 and so on (like I said, small bank).

As mentioned, especially given the general deterioration of credity quality around here, I’m having a hard time seeing how they maintain an 8 1/2 percent dividend yield because of the overall situation.

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Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 14:58:46

“…When the SHTF, they thought their stock prices got unjustifiably hammered, so they decided to write everything off they could, a la big bath theory. …”

In the last debacle, banks could write off everything to avoid taxes. Now, banks have to pay taxes on profit that has subsequently gone bye-bye. That is why banks have no reserves today. The new banking regulations do not allow for untaxed reserves.

Look at your local banks year end report, if they are increasing loan loss reserves, they might have problems. The key is not the amount but the percentage increase in reserves. As the economy deteriorates the losses will increase.

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Comment by HBBLurker
2008-03-03 10:04:17

The question is how can Bank of America sustain there dividend with yields like 6 percent and eat all of CFC’s losses…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 07:47:19

Hoz,

I don’t recall if you mentioned whether this is a good time to get into that inverse T-bond yield fund you suggested? Check out them long-bond yields today (can that +90.36% possibly be right???):

30-Year Bond 4.44% +3.99 +90.36%
10-Year Bond 3.55% +0.02 +0.42%

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 07:51:15

The crazy 30-yr T-bond yield move does not appear on Bloomberg…

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates/

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 07:57:02

I refer to these crazy yield moves.

International Indexes

DJIA 12,190.92 -75.47 -0.62%

Nasdaq 2,259.24 -12.24 -0.54%

S&P 500 1,323.32 -7.31 -0.55%

Dow Util 475.46 -2.04 -0.43%

NYSE 8,917.71 -44.75 -0.50%

AMEX 2,323.90 -2.70 -0.12%

Russell 2000 680.86 -5.32 -0.78%

Semcond 344.21 -3.84 -1.10%

Gold future 988.70 +13.70 +1.41%

30-Year Bond 4.42% +3.98 +90.05%

10-Year Bond 0.35% -3.18 -90.01%

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 09:39:33

Historically, bond interest rates stay low for very short periods of time in high inflation environments. If long bonds, it is a good time to consider selling and taking profit. Since few of you benefit from shorting bonds (you do not receive the funds from shorting a $100K 2 yr note to invest where you choose), the best way to participate with lower risk is this ETF.

I think $16.75 -$17.25 is a good entry, this is not a 1 day or 1 month trade. This is a predictive higher interest rate trade based on reduced risk in other markets. It is very low risk/ high return. The return should be about 15% this year.

I am very conservative as a trader.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 10:26:01

Thanks —

I truly value your opinions, and hope you find my half-witted market observations entertaining in return.

BTW, what do you make of this l-t T-bond
broke-back yield curve
graph? I have been watching markets for a long time, and cannot recall ever before seeing any price movement this bizarre before (though the HB stock charts did something similar back in August 2005, at the onset of their long slide). Of course, there were no marketwatch.com or yahoo finance web sites back on Oct 19, 1987…

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 10:29:22

If the l-t T-bond market were a volcano, then I am guessing geologists would classify this behavior as an eruption in progress.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 10:32:31
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 10:35:52

Can anyone explain the eruptive activity seen in the bottom chart?

I refer to the one labeled:

MACD(12,26) MACD EMA(9) Divergence

I am guessing there is an interesting story behind this one…

 
 
 
Comment by sm_landlord
2008-03-03 12:32:13

“Since few of you benefit from shorting bonds (you do not receive the funds from shorting a $100K 2 yr note to invest where you choose), the best way to participate with lower risk is this ETF.”

Got the symbol? I can’t find anything like this on the Yahoo ETF listings. Thx.

 
 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 07:59:45

A Behavioural Approach To Financial Puzzles
January 2008
Marie-Hélène Broihanne, Maxime Merli, Patrick Roger
(Laboratoire de Recherche en Gestion et Economie, Université Louis Pasteur)
http://tinyurl.com/29ye94

For anyone that has an interest in the stock market, DCA, taking losses, expected utility and cognitive economics. 51 pg pdf. (Prof Bear some excellent math proofs)

Pg 16 and 17 give a good explanation on the psychology of investors, take profits and let losses run. The worst thing that an investor does.

 
Comment by nhz
2008-03-03 08:04:00

the Pimp seems to be getting more desperate with every column:
http://tinyurl.com/26txv3

“value is returning to many parts of the bond market” (get in quick so you can enjoy the crash of a lifetime)

“There’s not a hint of plastic surgery in agency-backed FNMA and FHLMC mortgages at 5¾%” (all backed up by the US taxpayer, great!)

“if Washington gets off its high “moral hazard” horse and moves to support housing prices, investors will return in a rush” (I thought there were no morals left, but Bill the Pimp thinks otherwise).

I think Ben Bernanke knows that restarting the U.S. growth engine almost by definition requires nominal GDP growth of 5%. He’d prefer that nominal rate be composed of 3% real and 2% inflation, but desperate times sometimes require compromise: 2% real and 3% inflation may be the best he can hope for in 2009

I guess the 5% nominal growth is more likely to be composed of -5% real growth and +10% (down-manipulated) CPI.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 08:07:25

BULLETIN U.S. CONSTRUCTION SPENDING FALLS IN JANUARY

U.S. construction spending falls 1.7% in January

By Ruth Mantell
Last update: 10:00 a.m. EST March 3, 2008

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Spending on U.S. construction projects fell 1.7% in January as outlays on private residential construction took another tumble, the Commerce Department reported Monday. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch were looking for a decline of 0.7%.

Comment by autechre78
2008-03-03 08:34:26

Hopefully we’ll start to see a drop in purchases of those dumb gigantic trucks that contractors drive. Why is it that the biggest trucks always have some kind of advertisement for asphalt, lighting or cabinet making on the side? Some of them are lifted so high off the ground that it’s comical. rant off.

Comment by Troy
2008-03-03 11:16:08

One word: damn-near complete tax writeoff.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-03-03 12:00:53

Plus its their way of showing that they are (were)successful. The equivalent of the realtor in a Lexus.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 08:09:39

BULLETIN U.S. MANUFACTURING GAUGE HITS 5-YEAR LOW, SHOWING CONTRACTION IN FEBRUARY

In sign of contraction, U.S. Feb. ISM falls to 48.3%

By Rex Nutting
Last update: 10:03 a.m. EST March 3, 2008

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The U.S. manufacturing sector contracted in February, the Institute for Supply Management reported Monday. The ISM index fell to 48.3% in February from 50.7% in January. Readings under 50% indicate more firms are contracting than expanding. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch expected the index to fall to 47.5%.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 08:12:34

Can marketwatch.com get sued for posting misleading information? Because there are some wild looking figures popping up on their Market Overview screen today (see bold highlights below)…

DJIA 12,230.08 -36.31 -0.30%

Nasdaq 2,266.98 -4.50 -0.20%

S&P 500 1,329.29 -1.34 -0.10%

Dow Util 478.91 +1.41 +0.30%

NYSE 8,955.91 -6.55 -0.07%

AMEX 2,333.27 +6.67 +0.29%

Russell 2000 68.46 -617.72 -90.02%

Semcond 344.19 -3.73 -1.07%

Gold future 990.70 +15.70 +1.61%

30-Year Bond 4.45% +4.01 +90.63%

10-Year Bond 3.56% +0.03 +0.79%

http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/marketsummary/

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 11:48:36

What’s up with these scary-looking numbers?

CBOE 30-Year Treasury Yield Index. TYX (INDEX)
44.43
Change:+40.01 +905.20%
Volume:0

 
 
Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-03-03 08:14:12

Looks like we may see Gold at $1000 today or tomorrow. I have made more money on gold/silver in the past 7 months than any other investment in my life. If only I had bought more at $665!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 08:18:42

Does anyone have the story on the humungo drops on some headline U.S. asset price indexes today?

Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 09:15:24

“…Foreign demand for US equities has emerged, but that demand hinges on getting those assets at a sale price….”
Mr. Brad Setzer
Mar 2, 2008

“Equities are not cheap”
Mr. Warren Buffett
Mar 3, 2008

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-03-03 09:20:27

I’d argue that the PE’s are quite rich given that E’s are already getting taken behind the woods and shot.

I’m receiving offers from companies that have never offered a discount in the past. And we’re still in the third inning of the first in a double header.

Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 10:05:09

LOL No sh*t…

Mopes are writing that PEs are 18.5X; however, based on the reduced earnings reported and the acceleration of corporate defaults on debt, PEs calculate closer to 50X

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 10:13:49

How long do you expect the all-knowing, all-seeing stock market to take to figure out that PEs are understated? And will prices eventually adjust to reflect this?

 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 11:16:30

3 Months.

I am always early by 6 months (bad trading technique, I know I am right but to early). Since these effects are ones calculated in Nov last year when I said, the stock market would be 11,000 by Christmas, I was trading 6 months to early.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 09:36:34

How do those headline U.S. stock market indexes persistently make miraculous intraday recoveries, if they are so overvalued? I guess markets are efficient after all…no need to sell off now if they are just going to rally again later this year. (Reminds me of my main argument for not taking a shower — I am just going to get dirty again later in the day, so why bother?)

 
 
Comment by autechre78
2008-03-03 08:24:17

-i know this is a bit of a stretch, but some people on this blog predicted that homeowners would start turning to arson. So here’s my tin foil hat contribution. If this does turn out to be ELF, then they’re impatient and stupid. A bulldozer will do all this work for you, without the fire.
_____

Cops probe fires in development near Seattle

4 homes burned; official says blaze suspicious, may be tied to ELF

WOODINVILLE, Wash. - Four large model homes are burning at a multimillion-dollar development in a suburb north of Seattle. An official says a sign found at the scene had the initials of the Earth Liberation Front.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23447353/

Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 08:56:56

If a bulldozer did it, it is not likely there would be insurance coverage.

Comment by neuromance
2008-03-03 19:25:44

Interesting insight. The ELF sign could just be misdirection. I wonder if one of the homeowners’ finances would have been benefitted by the arson. And the other houses are just collateral damage, to make it look ELF-esque.

 
 
Comment by Lionel
2008-03-03 09:20:00

Elves? Elves are burning homes?! Holy cr@p!

 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-03-03 12:04:11

Yes,… I spy with my little eye…uh, what was the financial status of the builder / owner, I looked and looked… but that wasn’t in the article…maybe this “guilt by association” might “catch on” ;-)

 
Comment by lakewashington
2008-03-03 12:31:22

This isn’t good news for the ELF girl on trial right now in Tacoma for burning down a University of Washington building in 2001.

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2008-03-03 08:37:06

March 3 (Bloomberg) — Thornburg Mortgage Inc., the home lender that rebounded from a cash shortage last year, said today it hasn’t met a fresh round of margin calls that total $270 million. The stock tumbled 28 percent in early trading.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aRbnnrVloZSA&refer=home

Comment by matt
2008-03-03 08:40:52

That plus the downgrade of gmac and rescap, surprised the market is holding up. The forced liquidations will make this an interesting week.

 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2008-03-03 13:12:42

Does anyone believe Mr. MadMoney is going to apologize for pumping this loser on his show? Yikes (Update 3):

March 3 (Bloomberg) — Thornburg Mortgage Inc. lost more than half its market value after the home lender failed to meet $270 million of margin calls and a Citigroup Inc. analyst said bankruptcy is possible.

Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 15:14:25

You should enjoy what Mr. Cramer does! He gives an extra 2.3% to the traders on every stock he recommends. He is great for picking up spare change. So stop berating and start complimenting. In fact if you get long a stock by accident, call his show and see what he thinks, You will have an 83% chance of it being favorable. That can get you out of a real dog position.

(I do not remember the link and I posted it once previously on a study done by Northwestern University on the effects of MadMoney on the Stock Market and the subsequent events)

 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2008-03-03 08:39:33

Could you imagine what it would be like if our government did not have a strong dollar policy :)

March 3 (Bloomberg) — Crude oil and gold rose to records after the dollar dropped to an all-time low against the euro, increasing the appeal of commodities as an alternative investment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=auAqRVeyds.4&refer=home

Comment by nhz
2008-03-03 08:56:47

I don’t think the dollar policy matters that much; euro gold and euro crude are also at all-time highs.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 09:33:59

Newsblog
The latest local news from the Union-Tribune’s newsroom
February 28, 2008

Developers dominate city races

San Diego’s six high-profile races have attracted more than $1 million in contributions so far, 21 percent of which came from donors connected with the real estate and development industries, according to a local think tank.

The Center on Policy Initiatives, a group that advocates for workers, found that candidates in the races for mayor, city attorney and four council seats have given $280,105 to their own campaigns. The next largest share, $228,345, came from those with real estate or development connections.

Mayor Jerry Sanders, who is seeking a second term, has raised the most from that sector, nearly $91,000. Challenger Steve Francis, a businessman, is funding his own campaign.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 09:48:21

Vicious rally there, especially with that negative sign in front of today’s gain…

WEEKEND EDITION

Builder stocks bounce — so why are CEOs still wary?

After eye-catching rally, beleaguered execs aren’t ready to call housing floor
By John Spence, MarketWatch
Last update: 10:56 a.m. EST March 3, 2008

(This is an update to correct the name of Pulte Homes Inc.’s chief financial officer.)

BOSTON (MarketWatch) — After a brutal year that saw their industry fortunes decimated, the stock market is broadcasting signs of a turnaround in beleaguered home builders.

Housing-sector stocks — left for dead just a couple months ago — have been on a surprising tear recently.

An exchange-traded fund tracking the group, iShares Dow Jones U.S. Home Construction (ITB 17.66, -0.84, -4.5%) , closed Thursday up more than 20% over the previous three months.

 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2008-03-03 10:37:05

Pump. Pump. Pump. Go Bearnanke! Go Bearnanke! It’s your birthday!

March 3 (Bloomberg) — Ford Motor Co., the second-largest U.S. automaker, said U.S. sales fell 6.9 percent in February as rising fuel prices [crack up commodity inflation boom] and a slowing U.S. economy [falling home prices and credit crunch] crimped demand.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abcnJokObn8A&refer=home

 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 11:26:25

Dizard: mark-to-market fundamentalism

” …But the next round of writedowns will be anything but swift and clear. Not least because banks have yet to embrace proper, cathartic losses. While banks’ “trader-fundamentalists” see asset value only ever as what the bid side says it is, those in charge, are still seeing shades of grey. Risk managers and board members are loath to follow through on marked-to-market fundamentalism.

The way out of the fix, is recapitalisation. Banks which can raise new capital swiftly won’t have to worry about marking to market.

“The first stage was that series of calls on the sovereign wealth funds in recent months. Unfortunately, the limit on that source of equity has probably been reached, both for the banks and the SWFs. Most of the new equity for the banks and dealers will have to come from their home markets.”
FT Alphaville
http://tinyurl.com/3y3qt9

 
Comment by Frank Hague
2008-03-03 12:32:47

http://tinyurl.com/3ybmdl

Ben Stein capitulates, sort of.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 13:04:11

“Anything which cannot go on forever will stop.”

This includes ‘experts’ clinging to positions that don’t square with stark and unremitting evidence.

 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-03-03 21:05:35

Wah ha. Because now he’s a buyer rather than merely a multiple owner.

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 13:21:34

A short time ago Microsoft made a tender offer for Yahoo. The “offer” was $31.00/share. Unfortunately the deal was to be made with Microsoft stock. The current value of the transaction is $25.81/share.
Yahoo is trading at $27.75

Since the arbs are not getting out with a hefty profit, it shows few people ever thought this deal would take place. I don’t trade tech, just an observation.

Comment by txchick57
2008-03-03 13:44:41

yeah, I traded yahoo 28 to 30 and saw a lotta selling there. told me all I wanted to know.

Comment by Peter Wiener
2008-03-04 00:51:26

Like, do you ever lose on a trade?
If not, you should not be worrying about the price of a house - any house!
If I had your skill (or good fortune) I’d be doubling my money twice a year.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 13:21:39


How the Credit Mess Squeezes You

By SCOTT PATTERSON
March 2, 2008

Every day, it seems, investors hear stories about a “credit crunch” that’s squeezing pocketbooks around the country. What’s it all about?

The squeeze is reaching beyond Wall Street to Main Street, hitting everything from the availability of student loans to credit-card interest rates to the prices of municipal bonds in retirees’ portfolios.

It’s important to have a basic understanding of what’s going on in order to keep your cool if things heat up more.

It Starts With Housing

Most of the problem areas today have a common denominator: houses.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 13:32:03

Suggested alternative title: “Why Subprime is Not Contained”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-03 13:33:41


Gold Breaks Out Big Guns

Lance Lewis Mar 03, 2008 2:00 pm

Comment by watcher
2008-03-03 14:39:48

Bennie and the Feds really supercharged my portfolio. The PPT rally today did wonders; PMs up, oil almost hit $104. If this keeps up I am going to go shopping for a (solar-powered) yacht. I will name her Golden Goose.

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 14:24:44

A funny cartoon
The Big Picture

http://tinyurl.com/asdcr

 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-03 14:35:51

“…Analysts are scrambling to work out how high spreads could go, but few are willing to make predictions with any confidence. “How long is a piece of string?” asked one analyst. “I don’t think anyone has a clue how bad things could get.” …”
FT

I just like the analogy. The interconnection of all the financial institutions unwinding. At a rough guess $540T. The largest domino collapse in the world. Guinness Book of World Records.

“….We are certain to make many more payments. … our derivative positions will sometimes cause large swings in reported earnings, even though Charlie and I might believe the intrinsic value of these positions has changed little.

He and I will not be bothered by these swings - even though they could easily amount to $1 billion or more in a quarter - and we hope you won’t be either….”

Mr. Warren Buffett
http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/2007ltr.pdf

 
Comment by lavi d
2008-03-03 15:40:59

Earth Liberation Front or Desperate Home Builder?

Luxury Homes Torched in WA

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-03-03 19:00:52

Paulsen udders:
“Homeowners who can afford their payments and don’t have to move, can choose to stay in their house. And let me emphasize, any homeowner who can afford his mortgage payment but chooses to walk away from an underwater property is simply a speculator – and one who is not honoring his obligations.”

ANNE D’INNOCENZIO, AP Business Writer
2 hours, 57 minutes ago

NEW YORK - You know that Sharper Image gift card you got for Christmas? Right now, it’s worthless. And other gift cards in your wallet could lose their value, too.
————
sheeple are throwing moral hazard out the window, underwater home-debtors are now walking away, as a BUSINESS DECISION…here’s your gift card back.

 
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