March 4, 2008

The First Step To Selling A Home; Check The Calendar

The Courier News reports from New Jersey. “In New Jersey, home sales fell by 30 percent in January over the same month in 2007, according to Otteau. Sales at the Jersey Shore outperformed the state, but still fell by 24 percent in Monmouth County and 26 percent in Ocean County, the firm states. ‘Sales are running at very weak levels,’ said Jeffrey Otteau, the company’s president. ‘Clearly what we have here is that the housing market continues to be in a stall.’”

“Michael Benol and his wife have their Point Pleasant home on the market while they look for a larger house for their family. As a buyer, Benol said he believes many home prices are unrealistically high.”

“‘For some reason, people still think they will get the number that they got a year and a half ago,’ he said. ‘When you put an offer in, they look at you like you are crazy and they don’t act on it.’”

The Herald Mail from Maryland. “If you’ve been trying to sell your house, the economic signs are pretty clear: You’re in a lot of pain. Especially if your home is in the upper end of the market, pricewise.”

“And if you’ve bought a house in Washington County the last few years, you’re probably hurting, too, as more of your income than ever is being used to pay the mortgage.”

“‘Soon as the gas prices went up to $3 a gallon, it’s like a wall went up on South Mountain and people stopped coming over the hill,’ said local Realtor Jeff Matthews, last year’s president of the Pen-Mar Regional Association of Realtors.”

“When that traffic went away, only those of us who live and work here were left in the local housing market. And for the most part, we ‘can’t afford a half-million-dollar house,’ Matthews said. So the median price of what homes sold, fell.”

“When the lemmings from the metro areas were running this way to buy houses, so, too, were big metro builders. Now that that crowd has gone away, what’s left is ‘more new houses than there are workers,’ NAR economist Ken Fears said.”

“NAR looks exclusively at the sales of existing homes. Its data does not look at sales of new houses. If it did, the drop in price here might be more severe. ‘They’re trying to get rid of them,’ Matthews said of the bigger builders’ houses. ‘They’re giving away all these (house feature) options.’”

“‘It’s hard for someone who bought a house, let’s say in a new subdivision, and now they’re being relocated or must sell because of circumstances,’ he said. ‘It’s hard to compete with these new house builders who are giving away things.’”

“Fears said, ‘just looking at the numbers, it looks like kind of an overhang in supply.’ That overhang, coupled with the slowdown in sales, is most noticeable in the backlog of houses waiting to be sold. You can drive on almost any street and count the number of ‘For Sale’ signs.”

“Not only new houses, but also, of course, older ones whose owners have found work elsewhere or who want to buy another, as well as those being auctioned by banks that have foreclosed.”

“In January, the latest month for which figures are available, Realtors had a total of 1,353 houses listed for sale in Washington County, according to MRIS. Of those, just 76 were sold during the month, MRIS said.”

“If sales continued at that rate and even ‘if we didn’t list another house, it would take almost two years to sell it all off,’ said Matthews.”

The Capital from Maryland. “CyBer Realty will conduct its first tour today of foreclosed homes in some of the county’s areas hardest hit by the national credit and housing crisis. ‘We’re trying to put a positive spin on the condition of the market,’ said Donale Bernarding, a broker with CyBer Realty.”

“The tour will show about a dozen homes in Pasadena, Glen Burnie, Millersville and Severn. It will showcase houses ranging from $150,000 to $400,000, said Rebecca Cymek, an associate broker and the company’s manager.”

“Industry experts attribute the rise in foreclosures mainly to homeowners who took on mortgages that they can no longer afford. In some cases, mortgage rates rose. ‘A lot of people who bought a house and had it for a period of time didn’t change their spending habits and used their house as an ATM,’ said Rick Rall, president of a Severna Park loan company. ‘A lot of them ate up their equity.’”

From WTOP Radio in Virginia. “To those who thought the sport of house-hunting went out of fashion with the collapse of the housing market, think again. It’s a buyer’s market, and house hunters are scouring the nation for properties by the busload, literally, even in Prince William County.”

“The tour visited nine foreclosed properties in the Gainesville and Haymarket areas in under three hours. They included townhomes and stand-alone homes, ranging from $200,000 to $600,000. One home was only two years old; another was marked down by $200,000.”

“Eileen Durkan of Long & Foster Realtors says she got the idea after hearing about similar tours in California. ‘I thought that’s just going to be working its way here. Everything that happens in California eventually comes east, and we thought we’d like to be on the cutting edge.’”

The Times Dispatch from Virginia. “The Richmond area has been hit by the housing slump. Housing starts here are down 46 percent from their peak in January 2006. In Northern Virginia, they have slid 62.4 percent from peaking in July 2005, according to Chmura Economics & Analytics in Richmond.”

“Eric Medlin’s business was focused on doing general and termite repair work in houses that had sold. ‘I was booked over a month out. Now I’m lucky to have three days of solid work,’ he said. ‘I used to bid on a project against two or three contractors. Now, there’s five to 10 contractors bidding on the same project and we’re fighting over crumbs.’”

“‘In my almost 19 years in the home inspection business, the fourth quarter was the slowest I have ever experienced. Work went from steady to a significant drop,’ said John Jennings, of Home Pro of Richmond, a house inspection company.”

The Citizen Times from North Carolina. “Three years ago, selling a house in the Asheville area was a relatively painless affair that sometimes involved choosing between two or three offers from buyers. These days the first step to selling a home might be to check the calendar: 2008 is not 2005.”

“‘If they are selling, they are selling in a market that’s had a downward trend,’ said broker Tom Garden. ‘If they will let the Realtor price the house properly and competitively, it will sell. If they’ve got stuck in their head the old prices and won’t make changes … they may as well keep it off the market.’”

“It is no secret that home sales have declined in the Asheville area as part of the bursting of the national real estate bubble, although prices have not been hit as hard as the number of homes sold.”

“Sellers may have to reduce their price once an offer comes in, but if their initial price is outside the range a buyer is looking in, the offer just won’t happen, said Charles Giezentanner, owner of Asheville Realty & Associates.”

“‘Don’t overprice your house. Nobody’s going to look at it,’ he said.”

“Some sellers owe so much on their home that they may feel they can’t afford to make much of a price cut, said Jon Corbin, head of The Buyer’s Agent of Asheville. It’s not unusual to hear stories of sellers who are ‘upside down’ on their home loans — owing more than a home is worth — and actually end up having to bring money to a sale closing to pay off their debts.”

“Local real estate investor Mike Summey doesn’t expect the local market to bottom out until late 2009 or 2010. He says down markets tend to hit Asheville later than the rest of the country, that the local market tends to recover after the nation as a whole and the climb out of a bad market tends to mirror the slide in.”

“‘We’ve just been through the biggest upswing I’ve seen in my life, so we’re in for a long, rocky road out,’ he said.”

The Sun News from South Carolina. “Christopher James Ranone, a real estate broker and investor for 10 years, never thought a credit squeeze would force him out of his three-bedroom Myrtle Beach townhouse.”

“Now, with a handful of properties on the Grand Strand, about $15,000 in monthly debt payments, and an adjustable rate mortgage that will soon reset, something’s got to give.”

“‘What do you do in a credit crunch when you have a house that’s upside down because your neighbor down the street sold their house for 20 grand less?’ he said. ‘I don’t want to stay on a sinking ship. Better live to fight another day.’”

“Banks don’t usually like being weighed down by repossessed houses, said Kim Neisler, VP of the mortgage department for Waccamaw Bank.”

“‘How long are you going to hold it and pay the taxes and insurance, not knowing what you’re going to sell it for?’ Neisler said. ‘I think that’s why short selling has become an option out there.’”

“There were 438 foreclosure filings in South Carolina in January, up 8 percent from January 2007, according to RealtyTrac. North Carolina saw 3,373 filings, up 14 percent from January 2007.”

“No agency tracks the number of short sales, but Bank of America has seen an uptick since the housing downturn, especially in states such as Florida, California, Arizona and Nevada, said bank spokesman Terry Francisco.”

“‘Short sales can help in long-term situations where someone just has no realistic chance to be able to come back to currency on their mortgage,’ he said.”

“‘These kind of housing cycles move relatively slowly,’ Francisco said. ‘It took us awhile to get into this. It’ll take us awhile to get out of it.’”




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Comment by mgnyc99
2008-03-04 07:44:00

“Michael Benol and his wife have their Point Pleasant home on the market while they look for a larger house for their family. As a buyer, Benol said he believes many home prices are unrealistically high.”

no really ya think so

jersey- lmao

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-03-04 08:54:06

“As a buyer, Benol said he believes many home prices are unrealistically high.”

The reporter should have asked him if he feels the same away about the house he’s trying to sell.

Comment by mrjauk
2008-03-04 09:42:21

Do Realtors even need a high school education?!?

““Eileen Durkan of Long & Foster Realtors says she got the idea after hearing about similar tours in California. ‘I thought that’s just going to be working its way here. Everything that happens in California eventually comes east, and we thought we’d like to be on the cutting edge.’”

If it’s already happened somewhere else first, how can it be cutting edge? Maybe I’m not giving her enough credit; maybe she means the cutting edge of the knife those FBs would be catching!

Comment by jasper
2008-03-04 09:58:08

Turning off the idiot filter, her quote actually says:

“Whatever those darn californians try, some idiot east of them follows suit. Since there wasnt anyone in my area trying it, i felt obligated to give it a run”

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Comment by OriginalFrank
2008-03-04 11:15:39

because I figured, if any idiot can do it, let me!

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-03-04 10:22:07

Instead of an urge to be on the cutting edge, she should be concerned with whether it’s actually helping to sell houses. If so, try it. If not, try something else (lower prices, maybe?). Cutting edge means first, not necessarily best. Learn from those that have gone first, don’t just blindly follow.

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Comment by smiling_in_SD
2008-03-04 11:17:52

heres the deal on the joke “Real Estate Requirements” in California. I got my license a year ago thinking maybe I’d go back into lending..I did it 15 years ago for a large bank… Best move I ever made, NOT to get back into it.

Anyway, I went “Allied Schools” in Orange County (online) and bought a correspondence course for my “Principles of RE requirements”…passed with flying colors (open book quizzes). Then bought a “prep course” from the same place..it had about 500 questions as a review for the state test.

Each question was so unique “Mr. Hernandez owns a farm…Miss Chow owns a parking lot…etc (it was VERY politically correct), I don’t think any name was repeated…my point…I studied as if it were a word association game. In other words, “Chow” = “Riparian Rights”, “Hernandez = Eminent Domain” etc ….unless you’re a total idiot, it’s impossible to fail the state test.

I didn’t learn much, but I passed.

For a 3hour state test, I was the first one out…70 minutes.

Heres my point. I’m no better qualified to sell you a house than many of the “used house salespeople” selling today. Although I can say things like “Nows a great time to buy” or “Real Estate only goes up” or “Nows a great time to buy”, all I did was pass a test.

random thought…I know a “Realtor” that the other day told me his profession and him personally were at the “top of the food chain”…no sh*t, his reason? “real estate affects everyone” what a smug “a hole”..

Thats all for the random thoughts for now :)

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Comment by stewie
2008-03-04 16:07:13

yea like when No Doubt came out with that song Hella Good a few years ago as if it was still hip. WTF is with Californians saying Hella this, Hella that? And you know what? Its not trendy or new either. I first heard it from a friend who lived in the Bay area. Guess what year it was? 1992. F’ing idiots.

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Comment by mgnyc99
2008-03-04 07:45:39

The Sun News from South Carolina. “Christopher James Ranone, a real estate broker and investor for 10 years, never thought a credit squeeze would force him out of his three-bedroom Myrtle Beach townhouse.”

“Now, with a handful of properties on the Grand Strand, about $15,000 in monthly debt payments, and an adjustable rate mortgage that will soon reset, something’s got to give.”

lets see - a real esate broker with a 15k monthly nut? he should be just fine

 
Comment by gascap
2008-03-04 07:47:17

“‘For some reason, people still think they will get the number that they got a year and a half ago,’ he said. ‘When you put an offer in, they look at you like you are crazy and they don’t act on it.’”
Probably becauses realtORs said prices never go down.

Comment by gascap
2008-03-04 07:52:50

“Now, with a handful of properties on the Grand Strand, about $15,000 in monthly debt payments, and an adjustable rate mortgage that will soon reset, something’s got to give.”

“‘What do you do in a credit crunch when you have a house that’s upside down because your neighbor down the street sold their house for 20 grand less?’ he said. ‘I don’t want to stay on a sinking ship. Better live to fight another day.’”
What a shining example for America, this REALTOR bailing because someone had the audacity to lower their price 20 grand.

Got gold?

Comment by sagesse
2008-03-04 08:47:23

You are in the land of the free unless you sell for a price of your choosing.

 
 
Comment by phillygal
2008-03-04 08:29:43

We’re at a standoff in the PHL-SJ metro.

I’ve been looking for a new rental, and there’s no shortage of listings from which to choose. However, I suspect they are in the Accidental Landlord category, such as the following place which certainly was never intended to house tenants.

I don’t need a palace, just a 2/2 condo or TH, but even those are unrealistically priced for the rental market. And the mom and pop landlords - their offerings rarely see the light of day because they usually are word of mouth finds that are priced right.

The rentals around here are asking wishing prices, just like the sellers. I have to admit I’m a little jealous when I read posts from NV where the rents are collapsing in sync with the sellers’ prices.

Comment by BlackOrchid
2008-03-04 08:40:21

Oh my word, that rental listing! wow you’re not kidding that wasn’t meant to be rented out.

It does seem like a hell of a stand-off here - but it will break, it has to break. The current situation is untenable. Hang in there!

Comment by Al
2008-03-04 08:53:39

Is there 8 other people out there that would like to go in at $500/month to live there?

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Comment by phillygal
2008-03-04 09:05:15

You know that’s the thing…who would want it?

Two families could comfortably fit in there. Or maybe six “Friends” sitcom style. I’m way past the stage of communal living, and at this point I just want a place of my own where I can close the door behind me and forget the world.

Black Orchid, you say it has to break - and it will - but right now I’m in the position where I either go into a rental that’s overpriced or catch a falling knife just so I can have a place to park my sorry azz.

 
Comment by palmetto
2008-03-04 09:50:18

phillygal, I feel your pain. I went through a bit of that in 2006, just after the peak of the bubble in Florida, so I know how it feels. Fortunately the decline hit a little faster here and rents are now pretty good. But I do know that in the more desirable parts of Connecticut where my bro and sis live, there’s a similar scenario with rentals. Truth is, rentals were high there even before the bubble, the bubble just made it ridiculous. Why not try making some offers on rentals, in the range of what you can pay? What do you have to lose?

 
Comment by Vermontergal
2008-03-04 09:53:20

Black Orchid, you say it has to break - and it will - but right now I’m in the position where I either go into a rental that’s overpriced or catch a falling knife just so I can have a place to park my sorry azz.

Keep looking - you’ll find something. All we found at first were the “wishers”, too. The right priced stuff you need to move on to get (at least in VT). Personally, I’d go with an overpriced rental rather than the knife if I had to choose.;)

 
Comment by grubner
2008-03-04 09:56:23

Go ahead rent a castle on the cheap. That’s what we did. We went around low rent balling owners of empty houses for sale. I now have views of Manhattan and before every shower in my all marble bath room I turn on the steam machine. Ouuuuu my skin (and sinuses) are feeling fine. We’re probably are living in a better / bigger place than we will when we buy in the future. Take the opportunities life throws at ya. By the way, the seller of a house with a super fancy swimming pool that I really wanted to float around in reacted with horror and disgust to our offer. Well, now a year later they have a for sale or rent sign out front.

I like to think of it as the revenge of the frugals

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-03-04 10:58:06

glad to hear you got a great deal grubner.

What popped into my mind, after seeing that link, was my friend that was one of many renting a Chestnut Hill (MA) mansion. What happened was the responsibility between that many people grew too diluted and basically nobody did anything to keep up the place. It was very often a dump when I went over there.

 
 
 
Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2008-03-04 09:06:16

Looks like a $2000 to $2500 per month place to me. Seriously. Once you get to that size house, the returns are poor because rental potential tops out at around the mid-$2500 unless you are lucky or diligent enough to arrange rentals for corporate relocations.

A friend of mine has a huge 6bd/5ba on an acre in the DC burbs, and all he can get for it is tops $2500, sometimes even less, and his tenants rarely stay more than a year or so.

Lucky for him, he’s paid for the thing already, so no mortgage. Unlucky for him, he was too foolish to try and sell it when it was new and the market was hot, thinking that it would continue to go up in value indefinitely.

 
Comment by Ostriches
2008-03-04 09:45:58

I am hoping that landscaping and pool service is included in the rate because I cannot see too many renters doing the work themselves or actually paying to have it done - I mean, it’s not their home.

Comment by are they crazy
2008-03-04 11:04:38

Not my experience - it is their home, just not their house. We’ve always taken care of rentals as if it were our own.

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Comment by Ostriches
2008-03-04 11:24:10

Nope.

That is the reason people rent. It is ultimately the owner’s home and responsibility. If they want someone to pay the mortgage, they can at least take care of maintaining the place, i.e., cleaning out the gutters, mowing the lawn, plowing the driveway, etc., not me. If renters wanted to do that, or pay to have it done, they would buy their own homes!

I actually came across a LL who wanted me to clean out the gutters and mow the lawn - I laughed at him. The thing is, I would have mowed the lawn, but he was not even willing to provide a lawnmower. Did he think that I was going to go out and buy a mower to mow his lawn?

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-03-04 11:33:22

Me, too. I was glad I had, when the chance came up and my rental turned into my house.

 
Comment by Meshell
2008-03-04 11:58:11

When we were rental-shopping last year, it seemed standard around here (DC area) for renters to be responsible for lawn care, gutters, furnace filters etc. (Of course, close-in where we were looking was totally a Landlord’s Market!) We just have a lawn service.

 
Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2008-03-04 12:03:47

I dunno, Ostriches, I’m with the crazy one on this one. As a renter for many years (because I didn’t want to be tied down and thus be able to move to better jobs when needed), I probably had a distinct advantage over guys like you. I ALWAYS did the yard work. It was his house but my home (for a year or two, anyway).

I actually would let the landlords know that up front that I’d do that stuff with my own gear, and I’d invite them to check my past references. It’s not that I love yard work that much, but if the landlord has to do it, then he has to charge for it. And if he won’t do it and I don’t do it, then I live in a pig sty, though maybe that’s OK with some renters.

Anyway, pride of keeping the place up and willingness to do some of the minor repairs myself was good — not only did I get some great rental deals, but in a few cases it made the difference between getting the house we wanted or not — like when the landlords in some places had a dozen prospects to pick from. I remember one set of renters who we beat out on a hot rental deal saying “Oh, you’re so lucky…”. Nah, we work hard and have good refs; the landlord was the one who was lucky.

 
 
 
Comment by aimeejd
2008-03-04 09:48:20

I’ve been looking for a new rental, and there’s no shortage of listings from which to choose. However, I suspect they are in the Accidental Landlord category, such as the following place which certainly was never intended to house tenants.

This is my great fear about moving now. We are currently living in Bergen County, NJ, and really need to move a little closer to my job in NYC–and prices have declined enough that we actually could get more space and better amenities for a lower price than our current rent.

But my husband insists on renting a SFH only (maybe a TH), and I suspect a lot of the inventory available consists of the “accidental LL” types you describe, who will be shaky on maintanance, mortgage and tax payments, and are probably in financial trouble. Above all, I suspect that the minute they get even a half-way decent offer on their POS they’ll take it and try to boot us–lease be damned. I don’t need the headache of a FB-LL.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-03-04 09:06:09

Dang, I thought the correct pronunciation was “Real-uh-tor.”

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2008-03-04 07:51:32

“When the lemmings from the metro areas were running this way to buy houses, so, too, were big metro builders. Now that that crowd has gone away, what’s left is ‘more new houses than there are workers,’ NAR economist Ken Fears said.”

Whoa. Did I read that correctly? Someone associated with the NAR conceding that buyers were “lemmings”? Candor makes a comeback! I expect this guy to be dismissed ASAP, and then we all can shed tears for Fears.

Comment by az_lender
2008-03-04 08:25:30

“Fears said,’…it looks like kind of an overhang in supply.’ You can drive on almost any street and count the number of ForSale signs.”

Fears should Fear the day when the number of For Sale signs changes from countable to uncountable. Aleph One, anyone?

 
Comment by Santa Bubblicious
2008-03-04 11:38:18

“Candor makes a comeback! I expect this guy to be dismissed ASAP, and then we all can shed tears for Fears.”

Then you can shout, shout, let it all out.

Comment by snake charmer
2008-03-04 13:56:53

“… these are the things I can do without.”

 
 
 
Comment by RE_MESS in MD
2008-03-04 08:00:58

I read on CNN money yesterday that a lot of banks may fail in the coming year and FDIC is getting worried. Please suggest if keeping money in BOA or Chevy Chase bank or BB&T upto 100K is safe in DC metro area. How about banks like PNC and SUnTrust and the Federal Credit Unions?

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-03-04 08:08:49

Just for fun, suppose there were to be a string of bank failures such that the FDIC couldn’t pay them all off.
Would you want your money deposited in the first bank to fail or in the last?

 
Comment by Vermonter
2008-03-04 08:25:25

You can research bank financial statements. It’s all public record. You can probably also get a hold of someone who needs a break from endless strategy meetings to talk to real customer if you don’t understand the statement or can’t get enough info from i.

You may find that a local bank or credit union is in a much stronger position than a large regional or national bank. Many of our local banks sold off their sketchier mortgages to “investors”. Worth looking into.

Comment by Vermonter
2008-03-04 08:27:25

Heh. Just read below about local banks failing at a greater rate. It comes back to the same: research the bank if you’re worried.

 
 
Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2008-03-04 08:49:56

A guy I work with now just left Chevy Chase Bank. (Not disenchanted or worried — he just got a better job with us.) According to him, Chevy Chase is probably one of the safer ones. He says they were far more conservative than most others, and their margins were higher than most.

Now take that as hearsay, since I haven’t personally seen their books, but I can attest to their low interest rates on CD’s: Last time I was in there, they were so much in lending mode that I had this hilarious exchange with the rep behind the desk:

She: “Did you know we offer some of the lowest interest rates around”.
Me: “Yes, I know. I’m here for a CD renewal, and I can see that.”
She: (silence, fidgets a bit, turns red)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-03-04 09:53:20

Methinks that financial institutions are going to get more aggressive about charging nuisance fees to make up for losses elsewhere.

Here’s a case in point:

Last week, I needed to pull a twenty out of the ATM so I could liberate some clothing from the dry cleaner. Well, dang if my klutzy fingers didn’t put in a request for $200.00. I hit what I thought was the “cancel transaction” key, but wouldn’t ya know it, $200 came out.

Uh-oh. Account overdrawn.

So, I marched right into the credit union to put $180 cash back into my account. And they had the audacity to hit me with a $5.00 overdraft charge. Since I’m not a fan of nuisance fees when I’m making an immediate effort to fix things, I went into Fighting Mode.

I told them that the problem was with the interface on the ATM — the choices on screen don’t quite line up with the keys, and that I’m
probably not the first person who was unable to cancel a transaction.

They waived the $5.00 overdraft charge and put the $180 back into my account.

Comment by re: mnant
2008-03-04 10:41:15

That story reminds me of the book ‘Gotcha Capitalism.’ Some businesses make it difficult to do business with them and then charge you for not being able to figure out their complicated processes. Banks, credit card issuers and telecommunications companies seem to make a lot of money this way.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-03-04 11:13:42

Thanks for the book recommendation. I just requested it from my local library.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Mormon_Tea
2008-03-04 09:49:56

U.S. Banking System = the Titanic, taking on water

FDIC = 50 feet of kite string, held by kid in rowboat

Think the FDIC can keep it from going under?

 
Comment by NovaWatcher
2008-03-04 10:14:42

I went with United Bank, as they were hovering around 4 stars, whereas Chevy Chase was bouncing between 2 and 3 stars.

http://www.bankrate.com/

 
Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-03-04 11:09:45

Here is how I look at it. All banks are giving you between -11 and -7% real interest rate. No bank is credit worthy enough to receive my money at those rates. The risk of default is too high and so I would rather hold my money cash than risk my money for 1-3% return. Seriously, is $3000 enough of a reward for risking $100,000 to a lying cheating and stealing bank for a year? Besides, the tax man will take $1000 of that leaving you about $2k for your risk.

Every move you make has risks, make sure you don’t “assume” risks away.

Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2008-03-04 11:23:53

What?!?! So you just sit on cash? And get +0% minus inflation instead of +3% minus inflation. Doesn’t seem like a winning formula to me.

As for the risk of default being too high, you are not buying unsecured debt or stocks or the like; the money is insured by the FDIC, and that has and will continue to pay out for the foreseeable future. If you feel that even the FDIC will go bust anytime soon, then why in God’s name are you holding dollars at all instead of gold bullion stuffed under your floorboards?

Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-03-04 13:46:24

U.S. Banking System = the Titanic, taking on water

FDIC = 50 feet of kite string, held by kid in rowboat

Think the FDIC can keep it from going under?

(I saw this somewhere, don’t remember where..)

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Comment by exeter
2008-03-04 12:01:09

Whats your address Dan? :)

Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-03-04 12:59:16

You don’t think I have 100K sitting around my house do you? I keep my wealth in forms other than paper. I buy a years supply of food and other future consumables. To walk off with my wealth you would need a big truck….

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Comment by david cee
2008-03-04 11:32:10

Someone on this website said last week than Wells Fargo is the only AAA rated bank in America. Don’t know who rates the banks and how good the ratings are, but I sure would like to know the list

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2008-03-04 14:11:36
 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2008-03-04 08:14:01

“‘These kind of housing cycles move relatively slowly,’ Francisco said. ‘It took us awhile to get into this. It’ll take us awhile to get out of it.’”

That says it all, doesn’t it? By the way, I’m still in shock and awe over Paulson’s fear of God warning to FBs. Didja hear the one about how Paulson and Bernanke put their two heads together and made an ass out of themselves?

Comment by Eudemon
2008-03-04 08:48:34

They were dancing cheek-to-cheek.

Comment by palmetto
2008-03-04 09:33:51

Ooh, good one, Eudemon!

 
 
 
Comment by Prophet
2008-03-04 08:21:41

Remember, only 3 banks on last year’s list of 50 problem banks failed. All were smaller, regional banks. I’m not saying the big boys won’t fail, but the CNN story should be kept in prosepective.

 
Comment by JJ
2008-03-04 08:22:44

“If you’ve been trying to sell your house, the economic signs are pretty clear: You’re in a lot of pain. Especially if your home is in the upper end of the market, pricewise.”

These comments really irk me. If you didn’t buy in the last 3 or so years and you didn’t use your house as an ATM you’re doing pretty well.

I just can’t understand the mentality that leads people to believe that a 200% increase followed by a 15% contraction (cumulative 155% increase) is a bad thing.

 
Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2008-03-04 08:30:35

And if you’ve bought a house in Washington County the last few years, you’re probably hurting, too [...] ‘Soon as the gas prices went up to $3 a gallon, it’s like a wall went up on South Mountain and people stopped coming over the hill’

I happen to know someone who bought up in Washington County, and boy are they screwed. They lost $50k on their earlier flip that they sold just as the market was souring, and they bought into a brand new cookie cutter for over $300k near Hagerstown. That was late 2006.

Now it’s 2008, gasoline is $3 a gallon, he works over 60 miles away (Bethesda for a while, now frikkin’ Belair!!), and they’ve been wanting to sell and move for a year because he never sees his kids anymore. But not only can they not get what they paid for the place, they can’t even come CLOSE.

Brand new units in their development are going for the low $200k’s now, some even $190k’s! Ouch! $100k gone in 15 months. Despite other owners wanting to sell also, not a single owner-occupied home has sold in that development — the only things that move are the ever-more-discounted new developer homes.

So my friend’s got a $285k mortgage on a house worth maybe $220k or less, and $0 (more or less) in the bank as well as two upside down car notes. Even if he found someone willing to “come over South Mountain”, there’s no way he can manage anything but a huge short sale. Skrewwed, as we say.

 
Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2008-03-04 08:42:45

From the Washington Times (weekly Charting the Market section) from last Friday:
“January sees more House Sales”! Riiiiiight.

But what they show on the chart right next to it is that while January, as usual for every year, was better than the sad month of December, year on year is showing MISERABLE numbers. Jan 2007 sales were 7,590 units; Jan 2008 were 4,821 units. That’s a 36% drop in sales!

And on the topic of actual sales prices… a telling quote: “Median sales prices were down 26 percent in Prince William County, 21 percent in Stafford and 13 percent in Fairfax. ” The debacle continues and perhaps even gains speed.

Full article and chart at: Charting the Market

Comment by edhopper
2008-03-04 09:01:50

Washington Times = Rightwing Moonie Newspaper.

Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2008-03-04 11:25:44

So, what’s that got to do with the reporting in this case? I don’t see the connection (nor, I suspect, do you). Or do you just prefer a “pinko leftie” newspaper as a matter of principle?

Comment by edhopper
2008-03-04 12:01:21

The misleading headline and the inference in the first paragraph that home sales were improving are typical of this rightwing, moonie-owned rag.
The WSJ is conservative, but for the most part their reporting is good and unbiased, The Wash Times, like the NY Post, publish only to serve a right wing political agenda.

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Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2008-03-04 12:10:39

I’ll grant you that the headline is misleading, but they are doping no worse here than other typical rags like the Baltimore Sun, and even the Washington Post (checked Maryann Haggerty lately?). You seem to have a massive grudge against right wingers and moonies in particular which seems to be unrelated to this topic. Hmmm…

 
Comment by edhopper
2008-03-04 13:43:28

That may be true. I guess 7 years of watching them destroy this country can do that.

 
 
Comment by weinerdog43
2008-03-04 12:15:59

No ding dong. He means consider the source. If they lie about one thing, the odds are good they won’t be truthful about others.

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Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2008-03-04 12:24:00

And so that said, you won’t trust ANY of the DC/Baltimore papers, right? Not given the various RE headlines we’ve seen in the last several months.

Disagree with some of their editorials or not (and lefties and global warming zealots do have fits over that paper), the Washington Times does a reasonable job of passing on hard stats like the charts and data in that article. Do you not even trust that? You can track down the original sources or other corroborative data, and for the real estate numbers anyway, whenever I have checked it out, it always has panned out OK.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by arroyogrande
2008-03-04 08:43:14

“When the lemmings from the metro areas were running this way to buy houses…NAR economist Ken Fears said.”

Is it just me, or do a large subset of Realtors go out of there way to disparage buyers? (I do realize that in this case they may have been accurate).

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-03-04 10:13:42

I get a kick out of the NAR sponsorship promo that’s currently running on NPR. They say that they represent America’s property owners. The property buyers are never mentioned.

 
 
Comment by NovaMtgeBkr
2008-03-04 08:55:30

“‘It’s hard for someone who bought a house, let’s say in a new subdivision, and now they’re being relocated or must sell because of circumstances,’ he said. ‘It’s hard to compete with these new house builders who are giving away things.’”

I think it’s just so mean and unfair….

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-03-04 09:08:25

“‘Don’t overprice your house. Nobody’s going to look at it,’ he said.”

My North Carolina relative finally listened to me and dropped the price of his house enough to undercut all the neighbors selling theirs (I was able to convince him that he wasn’t “giving it away”). After sitting on the market for 6 months at 180K he sold it for 160K, just days after dropping the price, which was still 50K more than he paid for it 9 years ago. I’m sure his neighbors are miffed, as he has now messed up the comps for the neighborhood.

Comment by Tim
2008-03-04 10:02:20

Good advice. Price at 5% below last sale and it will sell. Good to get out while there is still time and equity.

 
 
Comment by AUA
2008-03-04 09:47:42

“‘If they are selling, they are selling in a market that’s had a downward trend,’ said broker Tom Garden. ‘If they will let the Realtor price the house properly and competitively, it will sell. If they’ve got stuck in their head the old prices and won’t make changes … they may as well keep it off the market.’”

I’d love to hear from someone who bought peak at the urging of a “Buyer’s Agent” realtwhore, and are now listing with the same individual and being urged to cut the list price. ‘Yeah, I know this was a steal at $75,000 over list in 2005, but now you’ve gotta sell it at $150,000 under that if you’re going to compete with the banks.’

Comment by palmetto
2008-03-04 09:56:23

“I’d love to hear from someone who bought peak at the urging of a “Buyer’s Agent” realtwhore, and are now listing with the same individual and being urged to cut the list price.”

I would, too, but I don’t think anyone on this blog would fess up to that, even if it did happen to them. That would be the ultimate in HBB shame.

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-03-04 11:43:22

‘I would, too, but I don’t think anyone on this blog would fess up to that, even if it did happen to them. That would be the ultimate in HBB shame.’

I think if that happened to anyone on this blog, they’d probably kill the realtor and hide their body in the nearest forest. Being as I notice that many HBBers seem kinda high-strung and dynamic in nature.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-03-04 15:14:50

The concept of “buyer’s agent” is a patent fraud. Realtors serve one agenda only: their own. As always, caveat emptor.

 
 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2008-03-04 10:07:46

Good to see more housing pain sweeping over the Silent Bubble state of Maryland, where “everyone is rich because we’re near DC.” Well, aside from the government vote-buying checks we’ll be getting this year, most of us are NOT rich because of some magical effect of living near DC. Like it or not, incomes set the price of housing in this brave, new world of people needing to actually pay off their loans.

Stuff is sitting all over the place down here, and prices are crawling downwards, but we still have a long way to go. I do get a laugh out of all the foreclosure related TV shows that are popping up. Strange, I thought “housing only goes up!” Hahaha!

Comment by qt
2008-03-04 11:01:05

I want to hear stories about Montgomery County and Prince George County. Both are very affluent counties in MD and the nation. I mean, just at this development that will open in April 08 (next month).

http://www.nationalharbor.com

I mean, how can house values go down when everyone wants to live here. LOL

Comment by Sniggle
2008-03-04 11:33:20

PG county is going to be the foreclosure posture child in MD just as it was in the early 90’s. Loads of financially unsophisticated overpaid government workers who thought they had ‘made it’ and unrestricted crazy growth from 2000-2006.

I used to live in PG County…sold to a FB in the spring of 2005. Down my road (Church Road)there was a development going up in early 2005 that advertised ‘From the $700,000, no money down, $10,000 back at closing’. There were many more developments like that rhoughout the county. Add to that a corrupt government, city-like crime and awful schools and you have a recipe for pain.

Comment by Meshell
2008-03-04 12:03:30

There are pockets of affluence in PG county but most of it is seriously distressed and populated by exactly the kind of people targeted by subprime loans.

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Comment by mikey
2008-03-04 10:28:16

“‘Don’t overprice your house. Nobody’s going to look at it,’ he said.”

Truer words were never said…other than perhaps…

“Toss your keys to the Lender(owner) and take a HIKE :)

 
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