So Inflated, There’s Bound To Be A Correction
The Mail Tribune reports from Oregon. “Three or four years ago, buyers were snapping up new homes faster than builders could pour foundations. Lately, those same builders are more apt to be sitting on their hands. The median sales price for new construction in Jackson County fell 13.8 percent to $266,200 for the quarter. Existing homes sales activity slowed 33 percent over a similar period a year earlier; the median sales price fell 8.5 percent to $233,325.”
“‘A lot of builders have stopped building unless they’re pre-sold,’ said Coldwell Banker Pro West Real Estate agent Doug Morse. ‘They’re just trying to sell the stuff they have and holding on.’”
“Foreclosures have been a key component in the decline in sale prices. The number of Jackson County homes in default nearly tripled to 124 in January, up from 42 the year before. In February, defaults declined to 103 but were still nearly triple the previous year’s 37.”
“When such homes are sold in distress situations is that additional sales aren’t generated. ‘Normally, you have both a buyer and seller, who is going to look for another house,’ said agent Rich Oliveria. ‘The problem is that when these houses are sold, they’re not buying another house.’”
“As mortgage interest rates hover at 6 to 6.25 percent, high-end buyers are still riding the fence. The majority of action is below the $300,000 mark, while higher-end houses are ‘really quiet,’ said Morse. ‘Buyers are still waiting for the interest rates to go down more. Right now there are lot of bargains.’”
The News Review from Oregon. “Houses in Oregon take a long time to sell. But so far the glut of homes on the market and increases in foreclosures haven’t caused prices to drop like in other parts of the country. However, inventory of listings now pushes beyond 20 months, meaning it would take that long to sell the 1,080 homes on the market.”
“‘(It) is the highest I have seen it in the past 10 years,’ said Neil Hummel, broker in Roseburg. ‘In order for us to get this backlog moving we are going to have to see some movement on the part of sellers to reduce their prices or accept lower than their asking prices.’”
The Bend Bulletin from Oregon. “Central Oregon homes sales are coming off of one of their worst winters in a decade, and the tenor of the industry’s sales incentives is changing. Gone are the offers of free cars and Pottery Barn gift certificates. In their place: cold, hard cash.”
“It’s all about inventory reduction and, so far, price cuts have not done the trick, Renaissance Homes President Randy Sebastian said.”
“Renaissance has shaved anywhere from 11 percent to 20 percent off the list prices of its unsold homes, cutting anywhere from $50,000 to $150,000 per home in south Bend’s Renaissance Ridge and west Bend’s Shevlin Park, Sebastian said.”
“‘The cars, the Pottery Barn, those were kind of on the cusp of the market slowdown,’ Sebastian said. ‘Now the incentives are a little more about the home and it’s a little more serious. People are wanting to make the home more affordable … and homes in Bend have become much more affordable.’”
“In Bend, the Central Oregon MLS had logged fewer than 50 closed sales of homes on urban lots by the last week in February, according to data tracked by Bratton Appraisal Group’s Mike Caba, making it the slowest February for closed deals in at least 10 years.”
“Private sellers also seem to be getting the idea that 2006 asking prices aren’t going to move a house in 2008, although buyers, in aggregate, are still looking for more, broker Norma DuBois said.”
“‘We’re starting to see people come in with prices that are more in line with where the market is,’ DuBois said. ‘We’re not seeing sellers being anywhere near as unrealistic as they were before.’”
The Gazette Times from Oregon. “Tumbling real estate values in much of the country have economists and homeowners struggling to predict where the bottom will fall in the coming year. Built-in demand in the cities surrounding Oregon’s two largest universities helped keep them largely above the fray.”
“‘We have guaranteed action in university towns; they’re not going anywhere,’ said Ann Morgan, a real estate agent in Corvallis. ‘Everybody is listening to the national media who say it’s horrible. It’s not horrible here.’”
“The report showed single-family building permits in Corvallis down 43 percent last year compared to 2006, with more than 100 fewer building permits issued by the city last year. That figure was topped statewide only in Bend, which saw permits plunge by 48 percent.”
“Doug Burton, president of the Willamette Valley Association of Realtors, said the existing supply of homes add to the high value of Benton County real estate. Before the slowdown, he said, new construction in North Albany in the $200,000 price range was snapped up, leaving mid-$300,000 homes the only option for buyers in that part of Benton County.”
“‘If you’re going to live in North Albany, you’re going to pay $300,000,’ he said.”
“The most extreme end of the housing market is the hardest hit, Morgan said. High-end homes over $500,000, which represent the top 10 percent of the Corvallis market, represent the slowest-moving properties and those most likely to depreciate.”
“‘That was so inflated that there’s bound to be a correction,’ Morgan said.”
The Statesman Journal from Oregon. “Take a drive to the outskirts of West or South Salem, and you’re bound to come across the same sight: leveled lots of land. On some lots, houses are going up. Many others are just dirt. It’s a reflection of what officials say is a significant slowdown in residential construction across the city.”
“‘There’s a great deal of inventory of lots but not a lot of building going on,’ said Glenn Gross, Salem’s urban planning administrator.”
“The city of Salem issued 17 building permits for single-family homes in December and again in February, marking the lowest monthly totals since December 2000.”
“The number of people applying for subdivisions also is way down, Gross said. There’ve only been six applications so far this fiscal year, which ends in June, compared with 29 last fiscal year. Locally, many said the slowdown is largely because of the housing surplus.”
“In Salem, there were 291 new homes for sale in January, according to the Willamette Valley MLS. That was only about 50 shy of the number of new homes that sold in the 12 prior months.”
“The surplus, real estate and building experts say, stems from the construction boom in Salem during the past several years. ‘All of the builders here were doing a great job delivering product for the demand, but timing is difficult,’ said Byron Hendricks, president of Prudential Real Estate Professionals. ‘We might have gotten a little top heavy on supply.’”
“‘If demand is down, you have to reduce supply,’ said Mike Erdmann, executive VP of the Home Builders Association of Marion and Polk Counties. ‘If you build a home anyway, it’s just going to sit there.’”
“Not everyone is holding back. Bob Cavell of Salem-based Providence Homes, has 26 homes under construction in two subdivisions in South Salem. His homes typically sell for $240,000 to $320,000.”
“‘It’s slower than it was in 2005, but I’m still moving forward,’ Cavell said. ‘I’m confident in the market based on the price range that we’re in. I think they’ll sell.’”
“Judson’s, a heating, plumbing and electrical company in Salem, is seeing fewer new housing jobs, particularly since late fall, said owner Ron Judson. The subcontractor has had to shorten employees’ hours and do minor layoffs.”
“‘It’s more difficult to keep all of our crew busy,’ Judson said. ‘When we are scheduled, we’re not scheduled nearly as far as we used to be.’”
The Kitsap Sun from Washington. “More ‘For Sale’ signs are going up in front of houses and condos in Kitsap County, but the sales pace is slowing, a combination that hints the real estate doldrums are sticking around.”
“According to new figures from Bellevue-based industry tracker Northwest MLS, 2,489 houses and condominiums were on the market in Kitsap County in February, a 31 percent increase over February 2007. Pending sales, meanwhile, were down 38 percent this February compared with February 2007, and closed sales dropped 11 percent.”
“Bigger housing inventories were the story as well in Mason and Jefferson counties, as they were for 19 of the 39 Washington counties tracked by the NMLS. February inventories for those 19 counties rose 39 percent over February 2007. Pending sales for the 19 were down 31 percent.”
“Meanwhile, median Kitsap house and condo prices combined so far this year are all over the map compared with January and February of 2007.”
“Smarting from a 10-month backlog of unsold homes in Kitsap County, builders are talking very seriously about new ways to sweeten deals to bring in buyers.”
“Reducing prices much more isn’t enough. Offering a host of incentives designed to calm buyers’ jitters and protect them in an uncertain housing market may be.”
“Rick Courson of Cedar Bay Homes Inc. of Silverdale suggested to members of the Home Builders Association of Kitsap County, that they consider buying their customers’ old homes or taking them as trades so they can buy new ones. Or, that they offer generous, irresistible maintenance plans for long after the home deal is closed.”
“‘The bottom line is that our inventory is starting to grow,’ said Courson, who builds high-end, green homes.”
“Dave Smith of Central Highlands Inc. said builders should consider reimbursing customers if their homes lose value after sales close, or even buying back the homes. ‘Cover the buyer’s risk of price reduction,’ he said.”
“Buyers here are simply too frightened to buy, the local builders said. ‘They’re scared to get into a house and have the thing turn upside down,’ Smith said.”
“Larry Skinner, seller at Poulsbo Place II, sees the same fear. ‘They walk into my sales office with a dark cloud over their head,’ he said.”
“Besides the fear factor, Courson said today’s big backlog of local homes was caused by non-local investors and home builders starting to do business here. Flippers, people who buy low and immediately sell at a higher price, had a role, as well as slower population and job growth, he said.”
“Smith said he believes prospective buyers are waiting in the wings, but they’re trembling mightily ‘We do need to address theses fears, and we need to address them hard,’ he said.”
The Seattle Times from Washington. “Eric and Whitney Johnsen prepared to sell their house as they shopped for a larger replacement. Recently they found it, in Newcastle. ‘We found a house we liked and fell in love too fast and there was a huge variable — we had to sell our house and the market was terrible,’ Eric Johnsen says. They didn’t want to own two homes.”
“A year or so ago, sellers generally wouldn’t agree to the Johnsens’ solution to their dilemma: a contingency allowing buyers weeks to get their home sold or back out of the deal. Sellers didn’t have to.”
“But with sales soft, prices flat and buyers cautious, real-estate agents say, contingencies have returned with a roar. They’re just one of many negotiating tools, from price cuts to help with closing costs, necessary to get homes sold these days.”
“The Newcastle sellers agreed to give the Johnsens 30 days to sell their old home and also shaved 2 percent off their already reduced asking price.”
“February home-sales numbers show why such tactics increasingly are necessary. In King County, single-family house and condominium sales were down 36 percent last month, available properties increased 69 percent and prices were nearly unchanged from a year earlier, the Northwest MLS reported.”
“On the day before the Johnsens’ contingent offer was to expire, buyers materialized for their West Seattle home. Those buyers also wanted to talk let’s-make-a-deal, and so the Johnsens did. They agreed to drop their asking price 2 percent.”
“To make their finances work, the couple couldn’t afford to pay what they’d agreed to for the Newcastle house. So Kari Scott, their agent, went back to the negotiating table for a last-minute price concession — something she says has been extraordinarily rare until recently.”
“Ultimately, the Johnsens got their nearly new four-bedroom home for 7.6 percent less than the original price.”
“‘It’s a whole different atmosphere,’ (said) Diedre Haines, a Coldwell Banker Bain managing broker. ‘In the last five years, we saw very little negotiation. Instead it was multiple offers with escalator clauses. Now sellers are more open to negotiation than they were a year ago.’”
“Scott, the Johnsens’ agent, cautions, however, that while most sellers are more flexible than in the past, they’re not frantic and buyers need to know that.”
“‘The reality is we’re not desperate; we’re not California; we’re not Florida,’ she says, recalling a recent bid. Someone offered 30 percent less than the asking price for a million-dollar house. The sellers laughed.”
“‘It’s fruitless when people put in a ridiculous offer instead of a reasonable offer,’ Scott says.”
‘A year or so ago, sellers generally wouldn’t agree to the Johnsens’ solution to their dilemma: a contingency allowing buyers weeks to get their home sold or back out of the deal. Sellers didn’t have to.’
‘It’s a whole different atmosphere,’ (said) Diedre Haines, a Coldwell Banker Bain managing broker. ‘In the last five years, we saw very little negotiation. Instead it was multiple offers with escalator clauses.’
‘Scott, the Johnsens’ agent, cautions, however, that while most sellers are more flexible than in the past, they’re not frantic and buyers need to know that. ‘The reality is we’re not desperate; we’re not California; we’re not Florida,’ she says, recalling a recent bid. Someone offered 30 percent less than the asking price for a million-dollar house. The sellers laughed.’
You know, the used house salespeople really get a pass on the whole FB parade. But as this article reminds us, they played a big role in the urgency, ‘don’t get left out’ game. I wonder how many people in foreclosure heard this stuff from an agent?
“The reality is we’re not desperate; we’re not California; we’re not Florida”
Wait.
“recalling a recent bid. Someone offered 30 percent less than the asking price for a million-dollar house. The sellers laughed.”
To quote Dr. Emilio Lizardo “Laugh while you can, monkey boy.”
—To quote Dr. Emilio Lizardo “Laugh while you can, monkey boy.”—-
Let’s leave NJ out of this, shall we?
Another ex-Yoyodyne employee?
Bigbootay! tay!
Wherever you go, there you are…
Anybody got any extra overthrusters?
Beings from Another Dimension have invaded your world.
Whew, thanks for cautioning me. That’s right up there with the “Use of Deadly Force Authorized” signs. Hey, why don’t you tell me what I really need to know - the sellers who are frantic?
Wonder if that was the only bid? I imagine the person offering 30% off the list price just went on to the next property.
I have a feeling that person is a regular reader of the HBB. Come clean whoever you are, let us know if you offered to feed the squirrels as part of your laughable bid.
Heck, some of my lowballs were 50% off. Now that they’ve all sat empty for another year, I’m not so sure I’d take ‘em at half price.
My parents will be listing their home sometime in late spring / early summer. They are waiting on their new home in a 55+ community to be built. They want a contigency based around the new construction (i.e. they won’t move until it’s complete). Their realtor said, “No problem! It’ll all be on your terms.” Me thinks they may run into some difficulty (especially at their wishing price). Maybe not, but my mom is a tad worried.
eastcoaster,
That’s in a strange way, kind of where I’m at. I’ll be 49 in a couple of weeks so the 55+ communities are about the only thing I am starting to look at. The timing seems about right? I figure by that time I should be able to pay for a 1,200 s/f cottage in Palm Springs for cash. At my age, I just find myself struggling to justify WHY I would ever want to buy a a traditional family home in ANY metro area in my lifetime?
There’s inflated property taxes that aren’t going away any time soon and little if any liklihood of meaningful appreciation in the foreseeable future! If this is about “tax advantages” let’s all please spare me that “pitch”.
lot of hot babes in those places, too. we’re talking quality of life, babe.
49 and you’re already thinking like a geezer? yikes, 50 is the new 30, dincha know?
“the new 30″
Gosh, thanks guys! Oh and yeah… (the “babes”!) The point, where I’m concerned anyway, is that prices may not correct fast enough to make it worth our while? This is going to be a long and painful process so I no longer see any sense of urgency.
Think of it in terms of broader demographics, if huge swaths of America are being life-directed toward down-sizing/ret. homes what will our contribution be to supporting home prices in suburbia etc?
Being on the cusp, what would be the point of buying a 300k home (formerly 550k) and no sooner than you’ve gotten comfortable now YOU have the problem of listing and trying to find a “qualified” buyer!? No thanks.
Just look at the posts on Craigslist where sellers are making all kinds of concessions just to get out from under it! Many of those rolled over equity that has now evaporated. Why join “that” crowd?
Old: Don’t trust anybody over 30
New: Don’t trust anybody under 30
Uh-uh. New: Don’t trust anybody over $30 million.
Bubblefucius say:
“Low-ball offer today look higher tomorrow when you are on knees.“
Good call Ben. There really is an innate smugness among a lot of houseowners here. My dad’s been around this area off an on for many years and he say just wait until the next big economic downturn hits this area.
Lets see. Microsoft not doing so great? Check. Boeing not doing so hot? Check.
Country possibly headed into a major recession which will further impact the above mentioned entities and the wider economy? Check.
“Someone offered 30 percent less than the asking price for a million-dollar house. The sellers laughed.”
He who laughs last…..
I can remember hearing about the Northwest’s hard times during the early 1970s. The local joke was, “Last one out, please turn out the lights.”
Yup, I was a kid and saw those billboards in Seattle. Acres of worker housing abandoned after Boeing took a hit.
Yah, my Mom told me not to grow up and be an aerospace engineer. They were all pumping gas.
Update for the 21st century:
“Last one out, please reboot the server.”
And if it’s a server running on Microsoft software, you will need to reboot it periodically.
That’s a fact…
One of the areas that think overpriced is West Seattle. Folks that a ways away from the water but priced like it is across the street. Good luck.
“‘We have guaranteed action in university towns; they’re not going anywhere,’ said Ann Morgan, a real estate agent in Corvallis. ‘Everybody is listening to the national media who say it’s horrible. It’s not horrible here.’”
BS, and you just wait for your desserts. See, let me tell you what happened in university towns. Parents buy a house for Jr. to live in and rent out while they are at school. So parents can pay Jr. a fee for managing property. Parents get nice tax deduction.
Then at the end of the four years, parents sell house for a fat profit and pay off Jr.’s education. Easy as cake.
But…
…what happens when the expected appreciation is zero?
…or the appreciation goes negative?
Anybody take a guess?
Then at the end of the four years, parents sell house for a fat profit and pay off Jr.’s education. Easy as cake.
But…
…what happens when the expected appreciation is zero?
…or the appreciation goes negative?
Absolutely dead on, we have been watching this phenomenon here in our College town for several years. The cracks are just now starting to appear in this ‘guaranteed’ plan.
Better yet you wouldn’t believe all the people I’ve talked to over the last several years planned on doing exactly that! Corvallis here in OR has had a great run built on that faulty logic for some time. (Well at least the class of ‘05 got a “free” education!) Anybody after that? Having “just” paid for college is going to look really cheap.
I don’t recall seeing this happen in Fort Collins (home of Colorado State). I guess the locals knew that there wasn’t going to be any meaningful appreciation, and had Jr rent a place instead. Fort Collins also has laws on the book restricting the number of unrelated people who can share a house.
I think they enacted that right after my friends and I graduated…:)
A down economy often translates into lower undergraduate employment, which I suspect will result in less demand and fewer university employees.
Grad school may be counter-cyclical, at least in the technical disciplines. Everybody hides out for a couple years drinking beer instead of trying to find a job.
Somebody gets hosed?
Somebody gets hosed?
Is this what they mean by “guaranteed action”
Any Reports from Davis CA ?
It wasnt’ just run-of-the-mill speculators that drove the market up. It was also these parents with college bound kids, who planned to actually occupy the house for a # of years before selling, for a profit.
That was the plan for the house across the street from me. But I do wish them luck in turning any sort of profit. It’s going to take major money to fix that place back up to the shape it was in before Student Princess moved in.
I was just out in Oregon visiting my parents, and I took a drive down 99W through Corvallis and into Eugene to see if the U of O, my alma mater, had changed.
–Corvallis looks EXACTLY the same as it did when I drove through there 20 years ago. Not better, not worse, the same. Have to wonder about all that “guaranteed action.”
–Eugene looked a bit rough around the edges compared to my last visit about 6 or 7 years ago. More vacant storefronts and bedraggled folks wandering around. When I last visited, I was shocked at the amount of money that seemed to be sloshing around Eugene, based on the fancy cars, well-dressed people, and new businesses I saw. That was not in evidence during this visit. And the timber industry side of town? Dead as a doornail.
So, I guess that university towns aren’t really that different, after all.
ChrisO,
Oh I agree. Little ‘has’ changed, but just try looking at a SFH for under 300k in Corvallis and you’ll be disappointed.
A lot of the radio stations have the same playlists as 20 years ago, too.
There have been a few minor changes on the OSU campus but yeah, it does look pretty much the same. Classic land grant university in a small town.
Hewlett-Packard used to have a lot larger presence in Corvallis, some of the other employers have also downsized/left
Corvallis is UNBELIEVABLY overpriced. First, OSU pays poorly, leaving HP as the major game in town, besides government (county seat). And it’s just on the edge of commutability to Portland/Salem (in other words, I COULD do it to save my house, but I wouldn’t CHOOSE to). Corvallis is on my list of next places to take a bath, right behind Bend, which sits in first place, in my book.
I wonder if they will be laughing when the next offer they get is 40% less ?
Late that night she sighed, looked over at him and said “Should we take the 700K offer?”
He replied “Honey, we can’t. We’re in the hole by $735K!”, and rolled over, resigning himself to another sleepless night.
Neil makes the blog. I know Mr Neil Hummel…
let me set the record straight. Roseburg Oregon is an uncool, backwater, hillbilly, loggin town that has never recovered. I’m here because its uncool, backwater, and hillbilly……nothing is selling here, nothing is going to sell here, and people wont move here…
Hows that for a Roseburg Oregon Update?
Last lesson, never, under any circumstances allow any of your older relatives to get involved in real estate at the momment. My 78 year old Aunt just bought a 200k house in Canton Texas……scammed she was by a vicious realtor….I have a mind to fly home and have her committed and the papers thrown out in a court of law. 78 years old, no money down, and a 30 yr note…….I am fumming today!!!!
Canton. Halfway between Dallas and Tyler. 200k. And they say the bubble is on the coasts.
Oh wow. I’m sorry to hear that. They must be really desperate to victimize an older person like that. Oh btw, it’s not just Roseburg (that describes most of OR)
You know what I don’t care for? Portland. Signs everywhere, do this don’t do that. And has there ever been so much ugly exposed concrete in a city before? (Good beer tho)
And has there ever been so much ugly exposed concrete in a city before?
Apparently you’ve never been to South Central L.A.
Well, at least nobody romanticizes South Central as some sort of paradise on earth.
Yes, only featured in rap videos for street creds! I agree w/ Ben. I’ve worked for a long time (and even lived in PDX for a few years) and have always failed to see the same allure others do?
Yeah, the beer is alright but it’s too confusing. There are so many labels that sound/look/taste identical. What’s the point?
I love PDX and find it beautiful. Beer and biking is why I moved here. The locals have NO idea that there’s no beervana like this anywhere else in the US and perhaps the world. Even the suburban bowling alleys have great local beer on tap! But that’s why the housing bubble was so stupid. Humans like different things; we don’t all want to move to FL, CA or the beach.
Ben,
Here’s a 1971 song for you.
And the sign said “long haired freaky people, needn’t ought apply”
So I tucked my hair up under my hat, and I went in to ask him why
He said “you look like a fine upstanding young man, I think you’ll do”
So I took off my hat, I said “imagine that, huh, me working for you!”, woah
Sign, sign everywhere a sign
Blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
Do this don’t do that can’t you read the sign?
And the sign said “anybody caught trespassing would be shot on sight”
So I jumped on the fence and yelled at the house, “hey what gives you the right?”
To put up a fence to keep me out, or to keep mother nature in
If God was here he’d tell you to your face: “man you’re some kind of sinner!”
Sign, sign everywhere a sign
Blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
Do this don’t do that can’t you read the sign?
Now hey mister can’t you read
You got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat
You can’t even watch, no you can’t eat, you ain’t supposed to be here
Sign said you gotta have a membership card to get inside, ooh
And the sign said “everybody welcome, come in, kneel down and pray”
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all, I didn’t have a penny to pay
So I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little sign
I said “thank you Lord for thinking of me, I’m alive and doing fine!”, woah
Sign, sign everywhere a sign
Blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
Do this don’t do that can’t you read the sign?
Sign, sign everywhere a sign…
Thanks for the memory!
Umm, isn’t the Tesla version ‘f*ckin up the scenery”?
You know what I don’t care for? Portland. Signs everywhere, do this don’t do that.
Ohmigod, Ben, you need to be careful to stay away from Canada!
Grants Pass a bit south of you is stone cold. The housing market is dead and the city refuses to recognize the fact. The planning office has staff
with nothing to do; they manufacture jobs just so
they don’t have to lay them off. The city is
dysfunctional, it cheats and lies to the citizens, and
spends money almost as well as the feds.
Other than that, it’s a great place to live…
Wow, he does take requests!
“Gone are the offers of free cars and Pottery Barn gift certificates.”
Wouldn’t you know it. Just as I was planning to drive my free car to redeem my Pottery Barn gift certificate!
David Fisher who wrote the article in the Bend Bulletin was fired because he was trying to write balanced articles on the real estate market and his editor insisted he write with a positive spin.
Bend Bulletin Reporter FIRED For Not Hyping Bend Bubble?
That’s too bad. The BB had some of the best housing reports in the state.
“what’s one more fairy tale in makebelieveland?”
Too funny. I hope this gets spread around just to show how much the REIC controls the media (and not just in Bend, OR!) So I guess this is the equivalent of a “news black-out” as it looks certain any articles going forward will be rosie/time-to-buy fluff. I agree Ben, what a shame.
Wall Street sure seems to like the extra $200 billion in liquidity. Perhaps they assume that rising inflation will make it easier to slash real wages without resorting to nominal cuts, boosting profits.
And perhaps the private mortgage bonds can be transferred to the Social Security Trust fund in exchange for the T-bills there.
Finally, someone mentioned this. I posted about it earlier but my post got zapped. Yes- the news today was that the FED and a conglomerate of banks is going to infuse even more cash to ensure credit markets can start lending again, and that means lending for mortgages as well.
Translation: Another attempt to make fixes to a broken system so that people who don’t have the cash and never will can keep right on buying overpriced homes so they can be forever in debt. Sounds like a real hum-dinger to me. Honestly, I’m pissed.
Yeah but Dow up 417 points (several minutes before the close)?
Financial dummy here but am I right in thinking that means investors believe the markets can be reinflated, releveraged? That the horse will drink once again now that the trough is full. I do operate with a reptile brain but IMHO that sure seems to be one tall order.
Questions like these always makes me come back to the basics. The bottom line is that even if the FED continues to infuse billions upon billions of dollars into the system, the system itself is after all reliant on consumer spending. If consumers cannot afford the product, they will not buy… unless clever lending products that simply put off payment are devised. We see how that went, so again- I fail to see how anything like this latest attempt will really solve the issue other than pay off investors and high-ranking financial executives.
In other words- the consumer still calls the shots. The consumer has been milked dry. Until prices come down and the consumer has money in their pockets, this problem cannot simply be ‘bought’.
DING, DING, DING! JB is the winner.
These clowns that fed helped today are only in for their own financial lives at this point. Look the economy is 70% consumer/shopping and we now how much of that is debt, er, I mean credit driven. This game is over.
It is all about saving the Bear Starns and Carlisle (sp?) types at this point. Let’s be real. If one of both went BK, you could kiss 1000 off the DOW. In fact, I bet the auto curbs would kick in. At this point all the country has left is defense and using other people’s money at low cost to leverage for even higher returns. The emperor has no clothes.
That would be sweet irony. Upon turing 65 the FB boomer receives the following letter:
“Your Social Security check is dependent on timely payment of your home equity loan. Please write a monthly check to yourself for $1000, and a check to the US government for $500, for processing costs.”
hey, why does the washington pnw crowd get a request? if they get a request, andrew will want a request.
then everyone will demand a request.
it’ll be anarchy.
A little anarchy ain’t bad. Who’s Andrew?
Ben, that was a riff on ” The Breakfeast Club ” scene, where Bender heckles the teacher about letting Andrew (the wrestler jock) get up to help prop open the sabotaged door.
maybe I should start quoting ” The Big Lebowski “.
(maybe I should get a life)
That explains it, I never saw that show.
Who’s Andrew?
Emilo Estevez.
Breakfast Club reference….
bec. Olympiagal knows Spitzer, that’s why.
“‘The reality is we’re not desperate; we’re not California; we’re not Florida,’ she says, recalling a recent bid.
Hmmm - so Seattle’s gone from ’special’ to ‘not desperate’. I smell a downturn.
Yeah, what all these “special places” are going to realize the hard way is that only a small minority of buyers can afford today’s prices. Contrary to popular belief most people who live in these “special” places are not millionaires and earn less than 50K per year.
Doesn’t most of the American workforce earn less than $50k a year?
New report out… Half of American households make less than median income. President says, “This must change!”
“Doug Burton, president of the Willamette Valley Association of Realtors, said the existing supply of homes add to the high value of Benton County real estate. Before the slowdown, he said, new construction in North Albany in the $200,000 price range was snapped up, leaving mid-$300,000 homes the only option for buyers in that part of Benton County.”
“‘If you’re going to live in North Albany, you’re going to pay $300,000,’ he said.”
Bwahahahahaha, nice try j@ck@ss! Sorry Burnout, but you’re going without commission checks until those $300k homes come down in price.
Who wouldn’t want to pay $300k for the privilege of taking in the Albany Aroma? Is the Wah Chang plant still there?
Is THAT what that smell is? I guess I always assumed it was the mill or the chemicals from the mobile home plant?
“According to new figures from Bellevue-based industry tracker Northwest MLS, 2,489 houses and condominiums were on the market in Kitsap County in February, a 31 percent increase over February 2007. Pending sales, meanwhile, were down 38 percent this February compared with February 2007, and closed sales dropped 11 percent.”
Holy smokes, that’s A LOT of inventory for Kitsap. I lived there for 6 years or so. Some nice areas, but few jobs. I smell a nasty correction.
ben, i would like your opinion on this fed stragedy (see link below). do you think this will solve the underlying issues as to jump start the mortgage industry? and yes i need someone to hold my hand and tell me it’s o.k. lol
Stocks Shoot Higher on Fed Credit Plan
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080311/wall_street.html
My take is that they are trying to nip in the bud a cascade of margin calls, defaults and bankruptcies.
Party 1 gets a margin call from party 2. Needs to sell MBS…. can’t. Needs to borrow against MBS…. can’t. Bankrupt… can’t repay party 2.
Party 2 now gets margin calls from party 3 due to loss in asset from defaulting party 1. Party 2 needs to sell assets… can’t. Needs to borrow…can’t. Bankruptcy and can’t pay party 3.
Party 3 has to write off the loan asset and get hit by margin call….
Lend all the party 1’s of the world $200 billion against their MBS to nip the cascade in the bud……. For 28 days at least.
There is no strategy here. The only intent of this little diddy is to get investors back into buying stocks and hence mask the real problems with artificial financial “good news”. I predict that the party will last perhaps a few days, a week at the most. There’s plenty of nasty news floating around out there and investors have very short memories. The FED just wasted another 200 billion dollars.
I just took a good bit of my long-term money out of stocks. It’s in Treasuries now. May well be for a good long time.
The 200b looks like its a swap of treasuries for junk. Fed hold junk on books at par, and brokers get treasuries. Risk of default on treasuries increases because treasury is backed by .50 cents instead of a dollar. Yield rises eventually funds flow to treasuries dollar appreciates, system rights itself. what am i missing?
….Yield rises eventually funds flow to treasuries dollar appreciates, system rights itself….
gb (or anybody else) - would you elaborate, please. Curious minds want to know.
thank you for that good explanation. i really don’t care what they do, as long as it dosent start this loose lending party that we all witnessed in the past. i for one could go through life without seeing that again! lol
banks, investors, and lending companies got burned pretty badly by indulging in loose lending. I seriously doubt any of them will entertain the thought anytime soon. Addtionally, most states now have measures that will be acting as watchdogs against risky loans. Lastly, anyone buying a home anytime soon will be required to have excellent credit, larger down payments, and proof of income to qualify. That will still cut a vast majority of those from buying in states like CA, NY, MA, FL, and the other bubble-fortified states.
Anyway you look at it, the FED enacted this to simply free up trading activity. This will NOT help the mortgage crisis they claim it will.
Did the Soviets go through all these monetary shenanigans (sp?) before their economy crashed?
Spook
The people pretended to work and the Soviets pretended to pay them…
Sounds like our current situation, in a fashion.
Think of today as a gift. All this volatility is most excellent.
“excellent”
when i read this i thought of mr. burns on the simpsons. lol!!
thanks guys, i’m feeling better now!!
“‘The reality is we’re not desperate; we’re not California; we’re not Florida,’ she says, recalling a recent bid. Someone offered 30 percent less than the asking price for a million-dollar house. The sellers laughed.”
I’ll wait until they cry when they get my offer.
The real question isn’t whether they’re laughing at offers 30% under list; it’s whether they’re selling at all. Somehow, I seem to have missed that part of the article . . .
That’s the part they don’t want to tell you about.
“…Scott, the Johnsens’ agent, cautions, however, that while most sellers are more flexible than in the past, they’re not frantic and buyers need to know that. ‘The reality is we’re not desperate; we’re not California; we’re not Florida,’ she says, recalling a recent bid. Someone offered 30 percent less than the asking price for a million-dollar house. The sellers laughed…”
That’s what happens when you let rookies lowball…first you get your buddy to toss them a 60% below asking and then when your 30% below asking comes in it will look like a godsend
….Yield rises eventually funds flow to treasuries dollar appreciates, system rights itself….
gb (or anybody else) - would you elaborate, please. Curious minds want to know.
yield rise, appeared to be banking sector short covering fresh with short positions in said Treasuries (Borrowed, as it were)
dollar appreciation, global currency intervention. I have made mention of this, but not for some time.
system righting itself? I cant wholeheartedly agree, I see much tinkering, lever pulling, and button pushing by some of the most powerful men in the developed world. The emerging can really shake up the natives. At whose expense shall the burdens of the victorius greatest generation be placed? I suspect on the poorly paid, lowly educated, struggling American Consumer.
Bend, over.
“In Bend, the Central Oregon MLS had logged fewer than 50 closed sales of homes on urban lots by the last week in February, according to data tracked by Bratton Appraisal Group’s Mike Caba, making it the slowest February for closed deals in at least 10 years.”
Are you sitting down? Please make sure you’re safely seated before reading further.
In 1960, US population was 180 million, and there were 58 million housing units in the USA, representing an occupancy rate of 3.1 people per home. In 2006, 300 million people lived in 126 million housing units, 2.3 people per home. If the 2006 population lived at the 1960 rate, we’d need just 96 million homes.
So, overall, we have surplus housing capacity equivalent to about 30 million homes, or one out of every four.
I attribute this to several factors, including longer lifespans of “empty nesters” and surviving spouses, and also a birthrate suppressed by Roe v. Wade. But these do not significantly impair a family’s ability to pay for a home - older people are more likely to have higher incomes and/or to have already paid off their houses, and having fewer children eases household budgets and facilitates housing payment.
I believe that an examination of the demographic profile of foreclosure cases would reveal the primary cause of the housing surplus. I propose that foreclosure cases primarily fall into two groups: sole custodial parents with children, and landlords whose tenants are divorced NCP fathers with child suport orders. In other words, the continually rising divorce rate of the last 50 years has resulted in an unprecedented number of families occupying (and paying for) two homes where one was sufficient before.
I also believe that the magnitude of the surplus was masked by the willingness of banks to write subprime mortgages to poor (read: one income, single parent) families, and the whole scheme was in part a reaction to the need to provide financing to a population that is increasingly divorced (or unmarried) with kids.
My point is to suggest that housing price fluctuations over the past decade have been like waves, but this current correction is more like a tide - much longer, slower and deeper than usual.