March 20, 2008

Times Are Tough In California

The North County Times reports from California. “From Valley Center to Del Mar, buyers can be picky. Most cities in North County carry hundreds of home listings for sale while barely a dozen sell each month. In Carlsbad’s 92008 ZIP code, it would take about 18 months to sell all the listed houses. Inventory numbers vary wildly across North County from a high of 26 months in Valley Center to a low of six months in Carmel Valley and Rancho Penasquitos, according to a three-month average of for-sale numbers provided by Sandicor this week.”

“Communities that have seen some of the steepest price depreciation and biggest drops in sales are in North County’s rural regions. Other than Valley Center’s leading inventory number, Ramona carries 16 months and Fallbrook has 20 months of inventory.”

“Meanwhile, only two homes have sold in Bonsall over the last three months.”

“The problem there is that owners are attached to custom-built homes and unwilling to reduce prices, said Fallbrook real estate agent Mark Fabela. ‘People are still unrealistic, and they’re still marketing their house at the high end,’ said Fabela, an agent with Coldwell Banker. ‘Until it comes down to reasonable pricing, we’re going to see that high inventory.’”

“‘Would you think (high inventory) would get people to drop the price? Yes, but I see more and more people just take (the home) off the market,’ said Anne-marie Boyer, a real estate agent based in Rancho Penasquitos. ‘They just sit on it and figure, ‘If I don’t get what I want, I’ll just keep it.’”

“Sue Landis, a real estate agent in Carlsbad, says she does not see the home price depreciation — the North County median has dropped 16 percent over the last year — ending until 2009.”

“‘Prices are not going to go up this year,’ Landis said. ‘This is not a market for unmotivated sellers. … If it’s overpriced, it’ll just sit there.’”

The Union Tribune. “In the height of the housing boom, an affiliate of San Diego developer Simplon Corp. spent about $25.5 million acquiring a full block near Petco Park, where it planned a 35-story condo tower called Cosmopolitan Square.”

“This month, the Simplon affiliate filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy – in part because of difficulties securing financing in today’s tight credit markets.”

“Simplon executives say the bankruptcy of Simplon Ballpark LLC was necessary to buy time so the company could secure new financing, including construction loans, to push the project ahead.”

“But court documents filed by the company’s largest creditor contend that Simplon Ballpark has been granted short-term extensions since its existing debt came due in May and it still has been unable to obtain financing. It defaulted on the extension agreements and filed for bankruptcy on the eve of foreclosure, the creditor contends.”

“The creditor also said in court documents that Simplon owes nearly $40 million on the property to 14 additional lenders or investors. It faces an additional $1.5 million in liens for unpaid bills to engineering, architectural and consulting firms.”

“The property was recently appraised at $26.5 million, according to the creditor, which has asked the bankruptcy court to allow it to proceed with foreclosure.”

“Simplon isn’t alone in seeing its downtown projects stumble. Several have been shelved. Atmosphere, a roughly 80-unit loft project on Fifth between Beech and Ash streets, began construction but has since stalled, leaving unsightly steel bars around the site.”

“Cosmopolitan Square originally was approved for 334 condos with ground floor retail. ‘I believe this is one of the very best undeveloped sites downtown,’ said Gary London of a San Diego real estate consulting firm. ”It is not likely to be developed by anybody for at least five or six years.’”

The Merced Sun Star. “Shares of Capital Corp of the West, the Merced-based parent company of County Bank, were hammered Wednesday following news that the company expects to post its first-ever yearly loss.”

“‘(County Bank) is still adequately capitalized, everyone’s deposits are still insured by the FDIC, we still have plenty of money,’ said bank spokesman Thomas Smith. ‘We’re not going to have the Bear Stearns thing.’”

“The company blamed its anticipated loss on ‘the rapid decline in real estate values in California’s Central Valley in the fourth quarter of 2007.’”

“The drop in real estate values means the collateral backing County Bank loans is worth less than it was when the loans were made one or two years ago. The loss isn’t tied directly to the subprime mortgage meltdown, he added, because County Bank doesn’t make many home mortgages or invest in subprime loans.”

“However, the company does lend money to developers buying land, and that land is less valuable than it was a few years ago. ‘Even though the guy is still paying his loan, by federal law, we have to downgrade the loan because the quality of collateral has gone down,’ said Smith.”

“In February 2007, Capital Corp’s chief consulting economist Tapan Munroe predicted that the Central Valley wasn’t facing a housing bust. Instead, he termed the slowdown as a ’souffle with the air slowly leaking out.’”

“Munroe and co-consultant Lon Hatamiya projected then that Merced’s home prices would drop 8.9 percent. Instead, prices in Merced plummeted 16.8 percent between December 2006 and December 2007, according to DataQuick.”

“‘Economists have a 50 percent chance of being right and a 50 percent chance of being wrong,’ Smith observed. ‘If anyone was a good soothsayer and could figure this out, they’d be rich. Obviously a lot of the forecasting was inaccurate.’”

“On Wednesday, County Bank unveiled a new ad campaign featuring the line, ‘Times are tough.’ Smith said the campaign was prompted by overall fears about a national recession, not Capital Corp’s specific problems.”

The New York Times. “They took out adjustable-rate mortgages at the peak of the housing bubble to buy homes they would otherwise not be able to afford. Or they refinanced existing mortgages to take cash out. And now, two or three years later, the day of reckoning is here.”

“These are not lower- and middle-income borrowers, but more affluent consumers with annual incomes of $100,000 or more who are increasingly being ensnared in the home mortgage crisis.”

“According to Loan Performance,, about 870,000 borrowers took jumbo ARMs — mortgages of $417,000 or more — from 2005 to 2007. In the fourth quarter of 2007, 8.10 percent were two or more payments late, it found, while 2.62 percent were in the foreclosure process and 1.35 percent had been foreclosed. All the numbers were up from the third quarter.”

“Jeffrey Conner, a San Francisco real estate lawyer, says he regularly hears from his clients ‘that lenders assured them they could always refinance.’”

“Richard Geller, founder of a for-profit venture that counsels troubled ARM borrowers, said he received calls from affluent consumers in almost every major metropolitan area.”

“Homeowners with at least 3 percent equity may qualify for refinancing through the Federal Housing Administration. ‘But if your payments are still going to be more than half your gross income, the lenders won’t do it because they figure you’re going to default later,’ Mr. Geller said. ‘It’s not rational to dedicate your life to making the next $5,000 monthly payment on an asset declining in value.’”

“In Oceanside, Calif., people paid $650,000 to $750,000 in 2003 and 2004 for row houses on Cleveland Street, said Chris McBrearty, certified mortgage planning specialist, in Carlsbad, Calif., who wrote many mortgages there.”

“When prices for the houses rose as high as $1.5 million in 2005, many of those people refinanced with ARMs to take out cash, he said.”

“But while the borrowers had the best intentions, life…changed their financial circumstances, Mr. McBrearty said. Now, with a most recent listing at $920,000, ‘nothing is selling on the street, and even for those with some equity, the products needed to refinance such large loans are not out there.’”

“One of those homeowners, a lawyer who spoke only on condition of anonymity for professional reasons, said he refinanced his mortgage with an ARM in January 2006 to take $510,000 out to invest in a hotel. ‘I planned to run the hotel with my lovely wife,’ he said.”

“Their strategy was to sell the house after a couple of years, but when they put it on the market in April 2007, there were no buyers. The lawyer, now divorced, calculated that the mortgage payments, now $6,200 a month, plus taxes consume 96 percent of his net income, which includes occasional rent from vacationers who use the house. He lives with relatives and sleeps on the floor.”

“‘I don’t regret what I did,’ he said. But a foreclosure would hurt his career and finances, he said. ‘And I was raised to pay back what I borrow.’”

“His strategy now is to sell when prices revive. But that could take time, because a bank just sold a neighbor’s foreclosed home for $850,000.”

The Associated Press. “A family of accused con artists is suspected of leading an operation that processed thousands of home loans in California during the past several years in the widespread refinancing scam.”

“The case has brought renewed calls for tighter regulation of the troubled mortgage industry that threatens to take the U.S. economy down with it.”

“Experts said the fraud occurred in a weak regulatory environment in a business that offered huge financial incentives to brokers willing to cheat.”

“‘There’s no regulatory oversight, it’s all complaint-based,’ said Dustin Hobbs, communication director for the California Mortgage Bankers Association. ‘Like these people found out, until you file a complaint, there’s no oversight of these brokers.’”

“Prosecutors said the operation had slipped past loan officers and regulators in a booming housing market fueled by greed. ‘I haven’t seen anything this extreme ever before,’ said Christina Tusan, the California deputy attorney general assigned to the civil case in which the web of companies is being sued for more than $20 million.”

“Late Tuesday, Eric Pony, 25, and his sister, Paulette Pony, 23, surrendered to face charges including conspiracy, grand theft, forgery and elder abuse. Five other suspects were also arrested.”

“The crackdown began with Eric Pony’s company, Lifetime Financial, and spread to others, authorities said. Lifetime Financial’s main mortgage provider was New Century Mortgage Corp., which has since folded.”

“Eric Bremner, a senior investigator in the real estate fraud unit of the San Bernardino County District Attorney’s Office, said loan documents often ran 300 pages. In many cases, problems were missed amid the rush to earn commissions for quickly approving deals. ‘Based on the volume of loans that New Century was doing at the time, it was either a combination of just missing these items or just looking the other way,’ he said.”

“After meeting with Eric Pony, Tracylyn Sharrit said she found her signature forged on loan documents and the monthly payments on her three-bedroom, 1,100-square-foot home in San Bernardino jumped from $1,070 to $1,868.”

“The money promised to her in an equity cash-out has been whittled away on lawyer fees, and her loan amount ballooned from $167,000 to more than $260,000.”

From Bloomberg. “California, the birthplace of the subprime mortgage industry, is paying the highest price of any state as the housing meltdown persists. Its gross domestic product will drop 1.5 percent in the first half of 2008, the most in the U.S., analysts at Global Insight Inc. estimate.”

“Almost half of the 25 biggest U.S. subprime lenders were based in the state, according to Inside Mortgage Finance, and almost a quarter of the country’s outstanding subprime loans were issued there, more than in any state, data from LoanPerformance show.”

“Prices that more than doubled in California from 2000 to 2005 fueled demand for nontraditional mortgages that allowed people to purchase homes, said Peter Navarro, a professor at the University of California, Irvine. Half of the 10 most expensive metropolitan areas for home prices are in California, according to data compiled by National Association of Realtors.”

“‘The high home prices here made it very difficult to get into houses unless you started doing really funky things,’ Navarro said.”

“The number of houses and condominiums sold in California plummeted 30 percent in January from a year earlier to 313,580, and the median price for an existing home dropped 22 percent to $430,370, according to the California Association of Realtors. The time it would take to deplete the supply of homes on the market at the current sales rate more than doubled to almost 17 months in January from a year earlier.”

“California had 481,392 foreclosure filings on properties last year, the most of any state, said Daren Blomquist, a spokesman for RealtyTrac.”

“The area has been one of the hardest hit by the housing- market slump in Northern California. Home prices in Solano County dropped 21 percent in February from a year earlier, according to DataQuick. Almost half of the estimated 334,500 home sales in 2008 will be trustee sales, according to the Norris Group.”

“Harry Subers, a 59-year-old unemployed engineer, said he and his wife ‘paid way too much’ for their house in Ben Lomond. They did it because they love living among the redwood trees of the Santa Cruz mountains, he said.”

“After their adjustable-mortgage rate rose last year, their payments climbed 20 percent to $1,900 a month, or more than two- thirds their monthly income of $3,000. The couple put the home up for sale because they could no longer afford it, Subers said.”

“Selling turned out to be tougher than they thought since three other nearby homes have languished on the market and one hasn’t sold for three years, he said. They paid $412,000 in 2004.”

“‘Everything would have been fine if the bubble didn’t pop,’ Subers said. ‘We’re resigned to the fact that we’re going to lose the house.’




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-03-20 14:30:52

‘There’s no regulatory oversight, it’s all complaint-based,’ said Dustin Hobbs, communication director for the California Mortgage Bankers Association. ‘Like these people found out, until you file a complaint, there’s no oversight of these brokers.’

I’m gonna take issue with this. How come lending functioned well up until the housing bubble? There wasn’t a cop at every closing. Even today, law enforcement says that it take way too much manpower to handle just a handful of cases.

So the mortgage brokers want to have us believe it was all the fault of the regulators? Who was making the money? And didn’t the system previously rely on a series of checks and balances where the cops were called in based on rare reports of misdeeds, or ‘complaints’?

The system broke down because there was a popular mania, IMO, that ran on far too long.

Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 15:54:05

And now the cities and counties affected by all this criminal behaviors are saying they don’t have the manpower or budgets to persue these cases. I say seize assets under RICO and get on with it.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-03-20 15:56:48

I’ll keep saying this till i am blue in the face Ben:

They didn’t hire people like me….nope they hired little girly Paris Hilton chicky-poos and clueless fresh faced guys. Thats how a scam can work, hire the dumbest prettiest people on your front lines.

And as they get promoted you have clueless management!

Comment by catspit1
2008-03-20 16:03:50

you keep saying it til we’re all blue in the face.

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-03-20 17:39:55

…til we’re all blue in the face’

Gosh, no kidding. I gotta go lie down for a bit, I’m feeling so tired after the hard day I spent of general chicky-pooness. I believe I’ll put my fluffy (and naturally) long-blonde-haired noggin down on the cutest pillow, the one with the big-eyed puppies that my girlfriend gave me. I like that one. And before I drift away into trivial dreams I will look at my pretty toenails, which are blue, and just freshly painted with little cute white dots. Yes, really. I just gave myself a pedicure while I was drinking coffee and sitting on the porch, before I came in here to catch up on my favorite and only blog I look at. Even chicky-poos enjoy a good blog.

Now on to the serious issues–tell me truly, all of you HBBers–if I were to glue small pink rhinestones onto my toenails, would that be too much? Because the dots aren’t satisfying me here.
Come on–be honest. I can take it.

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Comment by speedingpullet
2008-03-20 17:46:17

I say go for it.
Personally, nothing cheers me up like a well decked out set of toenails. Mine especially.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-03-20 17:54:34

“I believe I’ll put my fluffy (and naturally) long-blonde-haired noggin down on the cutest pillow, the one with the big-eyed puppies that my girlfriend gave me.”

Girlfriend, ehhh! Care to elaborate?

 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 17:54:54

How about painting on “If you can read this your face needs to be 3 feet higher ?”

 
Comment by M.B.A.
2008-03-20 18:05:17

you are all pigs! (I love it) :-p

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-03-20 18:14:49

‘Personally, nothing cheers me up like a well decked out set of toenails. Mine especially.’

Speedy, it’s so true. Nice toenails enhance every situation. I was in court today, observing, and the knowledge that my toes were darling was heartening, even though no one could see them because it’s bad form to make other court watchers see your toes.
You forgot to tell us your favorite colors, though, and if you favor decals on your nails, or if you spurn them as gaudy. I won’t pay for a pedicure, myself. No way. That’s wasteful of pretty money. I figure I have enough paints and polishes and Bic pens around to supply any design concept, and also then I don’t have to go to a strip mall and shout in Korean, which is a plus.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-03-20 18:17:31

‘Girlfriend, ehhh! Care to elaborate? ‘

None of your beeswax, NYCityboy, also known as “Mr. My-Cats-Are-Smiling-Man”.
But I guess I can tell you, if you really want to know. For a small fee of $29.99 per month per subscription.

(That’s a joke. I meant, of course, my ‘friend who is a girl’. Jeeze. What an impure mind you have. Also, you didn’t indicate—pink rhinestones ‘yes’, or pink rhinestones ‘no’.)

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-03-20 18:21:23

Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 17:54:54
How about painting on “If you can read this your face needs to be 3 feet higher ?”

You have really super ideas! But my toenails aren’t that big. A personal defect, clearly. Maybe I just better get a placard of some sort, and tuck it under the cute puppy pillow so it can be nice and handy.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 18:23:19

sure, put the placard next to the handcuffs and ball gag.

 
Comment by Vermontergal
2008-03-20 18:24:24

if I were to glue small pink rhinestones onto my toenails, would that be too much?

There are the sock ramifications to consider in such a situation. (You do have chicky-poo socks, right??)

You risk serious snags in socks or hose, girlfriend. (I assuming here you’re not thinking about some stuffy rinky dink ones that you can hardly see.)

In VT, we chicks all look the Michelin Man about this time of year (only paler and less attractive). The weather requires shoes and socks that only astronauts would love, so that plan would be out for us.

I can only hope that Washington has better rhinestone weather.

 
Comment by mrincomestream
2008-03-20 18:39:51

I this the still HBB blog or am I in a drunken stupor and have picked up my wife’s laptop LOL

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-03-20 19:09:20

You all are hilarious tonight…. I’m really not blaming anyone, but we used to have ADULTS doing these jobs, a 23 year old “loan officer” was only hired during the bubble.

So if you hire these people with no critical thinking skills, or ethics and morals, then falsifying documents is not a big deal to them.

 
Comment by Leighsong
2008-03-20 19:12:51

Err..you’re on Mars…er…put.the.laptop.down…

Snickers,
Leigh

 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2008-03-20 19:26:23

” I figure I have enough paints and polishes and Bic pens around to supply any design concept, and also then I don’t have to go to a strip mall and shout in Korean, which is a plus. ”

Oly - ya make me laugh.

Loves a great pedicure. Only if I DO said pedicure.

I also like small rhinestones - in the summer.

Winter gear consist of dagger toes, of course to let the bears know I mean business…er and da Bulls too!

Of course I sling a weapon or two. But not at butterflies. Or trees. Or doggies.

Oh, I might shoot a leprechaun , if dey don’t polish my shoes!

But you would not approve of leprechaun murder, so maybe I would consider another option? OK…for a dance.

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Comment by Vermontergal
2008-03-20 17:34:29

Advice in 2 sentences: You don’t get ahead in *any* aspect of your life by blaming the universe. Your worst enemy is in the mirror.

Ahh!! I’m done…

 
Comment by vile
2008-03-21 09:24:20

I think you need a sex change if you want to further your career in this chosen field.

 
 
Comment by LA Wallflower
2008-03-20 16:56:14

“The system broke down because there was a popular mania, IMO, that ran on far too long.”

And nobody in authority really cared as long as the money kept appearing like magic.

Comment by are they crazy
2008-03-20 18:18:58

No, actually nobody cared, including the public and homeowners, as long as they had their dreams of riches. It took everyone cooperating in the scam for it to work.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-03-20 22:10:54

IMHO ….There must of been a break down in the check and balance system . During sane times , commissioned sales people were always watched like hawks and never trusted .Secondly, buyers were considered liars and always checked out .The real value of a property was taken seriously .

Loan underwriters were paid to be detectives almost and if they let a bad loan get through they could be called on the carpet or demoted or fired . Also specific guidelines were set out for every loan program and if a borrower didn’t qualify ,they didn’t qualify . Lenders were conservative about appraisals and knew that the property had to have the value . Higher loan to value loans usually got insured at a higher cost to the borrower .In other words, all risks were considered .In addition there was a lot of spot checking of loans bundles . A big part of the underwriting of loans was to prevent fraud .

I don’t know exactly why loan management and underwriting went down the tubes ,but one wonders what were these loan companies and originators getting paid these big commissions to do .

By the same token ,I have never seen such lack of oversight in the real estate sales business either .

The fact that the secondary market was providing a lot of money for lending was also part of the problem I think .In other words ,a lot of money looking for a place to invest .

I think Ben is right when he said in essence that the check and balance broke down because it was a popular mania .

I believe the greatest breakdown was on the direct commissioned sales people level ,(including real estate sales people ). The appraisers apparently couldn’t get work unless they catered to the blackmailers .

As time went on in the housing boom ,the commissioned sales people kept trying to make people qualify anyway they could (even by fraud ) in spite of more people not being able to qualify .The loan originators would cram people into any loans that required less qualifying (like stated income loans ) .

Also ,the industry provided creative toxic loans that were a defective product as a long term loan . Also , I believe that when you set a borrower up on a loan that requires them to refinance every few years in order to continue ,than you have created a defective product for a home loan .On top of everything else the borrower a high % of the time didn’t really qualify for the guidelines of that creative loan any way because of the loan agent fraud or the borrowers loan fraud .

Lenders had to be out of their minds to give zero down stated income loans . Lenders had to be out of their minds to give owner occupied low down loans to speculators . Lenders had to be out of the minds to accept the appreciation rates of property . Lenders had to be out of their minds to fund builders tracks when it was apparent that a high ratio of loans were liar loan speculators .Lenders had to be out of their minds not to double check the commissioned sales peoples and borrowers for fraud.
In other words ,the very designs of the loans that came on the market were la la land regarding any regard for loan risk .

Now ,I don’t know where Wall Street got their rating models from for loans , but they were crazy . If one of the standard jobs of underwriters in the past was to prevent fraud ,why was that abandoned as a model of risk by Wall Street .

The secondary market was not aware of the problem and with AAA ratings on this junk and faulty models and no foreclosures yet to gage they were given junk ,they didn’t know .

There is one thing for sure ,a absurd housing bubble ,riddled with fraud ,is what you get when you let commissioned sales people and buyers determine loan qualifications and appraisal values .

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Comment by robmypro
2008-03-20 23:54:18

The system broke down for many reasons. But when people like Armando Falcon spoke up they got fired. It wasn’t all about a popular mania. It was much worse.

On Feb. 4, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO), which has oversight over the two giant housing-finance enterprises known as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, released a report entitled, “Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO.” Its report examined the potential for the generation of a systemic crisis at Fannie and/or Freddie.

The report set into motion a shockwave through the financial community. Sharon McHale, a Freddie Mac spokeswoman, told the Feb. 6 Washington Post, that the report’s “doomsday scenario was so speculative, it’s just incredible.” But the full wrath came from the highest levels of the London-Wall Street banking community, which struck hard.

On Feb. 5, a mere 24 hours after the report’s issuance, the Bush Administration demanded that OFHEO Director Armando Falcon submit his resignation. Falcon, who been appointed to this post in 1999 by President Bill Clinton, had overseen the report’s release. While the Bush Administration delivered the order for Falcon to resign, both the circumstances of the firing and subsequent events make it clear that the actual order for the firing originated from inside the boardroom of J.P. Morgan Chase—the world’s largest derivatives bank with $29 trillion in derivatives outstanding—and the boardrooms of other major institutions that are heavily invested in derivatives and housing market paper.

At the same time that it declared Falcon had “resigned,” the Administration announced that it would nominate Mark C. Brickell, to replace him as Director of OFHEO. While the man on the street may never have heard of Brickell, he needs no introduction to those in the financial community: For the past decade and a half, he has spearheaded the fantastic, cancerous growth of derivatives.

This was no accident.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3010ofheo_rpt.html

Comment by jim A
2008-03-21 05:41:20

You had me until I saw the web address. Of course it’s generally a BAD sign when only the wingnuts speak simple truths. But yes, that IS a very scary report. And Falcon was still heading OFHEO simply because nobody in the new administration could have told you what that stood for. Once he put the fear of God into Wall Streets broker boys he had to go and soonest.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-03-21 09:06:37

I consider Wall Street a part of the commissioned salesperson group who were sitting up the sale of bundles of loans and selling them to the loan investors . People were making money off a loan right up the food chain on to the final bag-holder. I would love more information on who exactly designed these new loan products .

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Comment by mgnyc
2008-03-20 15:40:08

time to short the bits bucket 520 comments

Comment by Leighsong
2008-03-20 16:01:41

One of the best ever!

I just read BB/CL at 470 something - I read fast and it took awhile.

I pray Ben never sells this domain (although he’d be set for life).
Just wouldn’t be the same.

Psst…let’s donate so he’ll keep doing what we love :)

Comment by LA Wallflower
2008-03-20 17:00:27

Um… every bubble pop has an end. Remember f@ckedcompany.com?

There is a season, turn, turn, turn… :)

Comment by Leighsong
2008-03-20 19:29:02

barbluvsong at yahoo dot com

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Comment by JohnF
2008-03-20 15:40:19

‘Everything would have been fine if the bubble didn’t pop,’

The rallying cry of all the FB’s…..!!

Comment by mgnyc
2008-03-20 15:49:59

Everything would have been fine if the bubble didn’t pop

we would have gotten away with it if it was not for those meddling bloggers!!

Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 16:17:41

If the bubble didn’t pop, I would be looking to buy a mobile home on leased land. It would be the only thing affordable. I am glad house prices are falling, we all need shelter!

Comment by Leighsong
2008-03-20 19:31:33

Hey Big V!

That’s what (we, us, them) used to call shelter - a home!

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Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-03-20 16:49:37

Isn’t that what bubbles do?

 
Comment by giantaxe
2008-03-20 17:20:47

“Everything would have been fine had not reality intruded”.

 
Comment by ella
2008-03-20 19:15:03

‘Everything would have been fine if the bubble didn’t pop,’

Avec des ’si’ on mettrait Paris en bouteille.

(Um, not Paris Hilton, though. That chicky-poo doesn’t require the ‘if’)

 
 
Comment by friar john
2008-03-20 15:41:19

“In February 2007, Capital Corp’s chief consulting economist Tapan Munroe predicted that the Central Valley wasn’t facing a housing bust. Instead, he termed the slowdown as a ’souffle with the air slowly leaking out.’”
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Turn those ovens back on! Turn those ovens back on!

Comment by Ziggy
2008-03-20 15:51:15

My favorite is this:
“‘Economists have a 50 percent chance of being right and a 50 percent chance of being wrong,’ Smith observed. ‘If anyone was a good soothsayer and could figure this out, they’d be rich. Obviously a lot of the forecasting was inaccurate.’”

Why don’t we flip a f*cking coin then? Morons.

Comment by laonlooker
2008-03-20 16:39:23

Tell me about it. in other words, what you are telling me is that your fancy degrees are completely worthless. I believe it, though I don’t think he meant it that way. On the other hand, it seems lately that the large majority of economist were wrong, not just 50%. But I don’t think it is because they are complete idiots (though that may be true too), but because they somehow see themselves as affecting the thing they study. It seems that economist are biased towards reporting postive results and care more about perceptions and promotion (of the economy) that actually being right.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-03-20 17:31:47

“50 percent chance of being right and a 50 percent chance of being wrong”

There was a guy that graduated high school with my brother that was best known for saying, “I don’t like gambling because you either win or lose”. He was not known for his intelligence. He was known for hauling around a pre-Algebra book when he was a senior. I think he is now an economist, or a male dancer. What’s the difference? Both will degrade themselves for money.

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Comment by ella
2008-03-20 19:18:55

I hope he is both. That would be amazing.

 
Comment by WaitingforREO
2008-03-20 20:24:38

Well, perhaps just a rumor, but I heard that Alan Greenspan was considering doing Dancing with the Stars for $2.4M but only if they let him dance a solo to Memories from Cats while blowing bubbles.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-03-20 18:24:50

“It seems that economists are biased towards reporting positive results and care more about perceptions and promotion (of the economy) than actually being right.”

That seems to be true of more than half of economists that are routinely surveyed. Imagine if the Chamber of Commerce put out weather forecasts. How many times do you think you’d see rain or snow, hot or cold in a forecast? Nothing but sunny and warm 365 days a year. And when it would inevitably rain or snow as it always does they’d day, “no one could have seen this coming.”

One needs to look more critically at any forecast by someone that has a stake in the outcome.

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Comment by roguevalleygirl
2008-03-20 19:07:50

Then that places them in danger of becoming irrelevant like GWB and Hank Paulson who don’t know how to tell the truth.

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Comment by snake charmer
2008-03-20 16:39:42

My thoughts exactly.

 
 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-03-20 17:28:43

he termed the slowdown as a ’souffle with the air slowly leaking out.’”

That’s how I describe my a$$ after downing 11 White Castles. I bet the smell is the same.

Comment by M.B.A.
2008-03-20 18:10:33

Sure you still had sphincter control after 11 of them?

Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-03-20 18:12:28

I was really drunk at the time, so I’m not quite sure. But the next day when I was cleaning our cats’ litter box I noticed that it seemed unusually full.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2008-03-20 19:15:03

did the cat return the favor and poop on your bed?

 
 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2008-03-20 19:46:02

Things are…what they are - I love your anger.

Dance with your woman - no excuse - let her dance for you.

Jack slapped,
Leigh

Comment by aNYCdj
2008-03-20 20:32:27

YES dance with your woman I DO……..check out the videos on my handle

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Comment by Leighsong
2008-03-20 21:23:18

Now see here, dancing is an art. Dancing…er…well…the music is OK.
Movement, not so much.

But what do I know?
Leigh

 
 
 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-03-20 18:12:59

“Turn those ovens back on! Turn those ovens back on!”

They’ll be back on full tilt in July and August, just like every year.

 
 
Comment by mgnyc
2008-03-20 15:43:36

The Union Tribune. “In the height of the housing boom, an affiliate of San Diego developer Simplon Corp. spent about $25.5 million acquiring a full block near Petco Park, where it planned a 35-story condo tower called Cosmopolitan Square.”

i was in SD in september 06 and i was amazed at the amount of
new condos being built in downtown

even then it was obvious SD was headed for disaster
i went to petco park and the pods won the game

they were building condos right next to the ballpark
you could sit on your terrace and watch the game

i love baseball but not enough to live next door to the stadium

Comment by Neil
2008-03-20 17:01:10

lol

We had to browbeat a coworker to keep him from buying his retirement condo before he was “priced out forever.”

Now he only owns two homes in two bubble markets that are both down 20% to 25% and heading south fast. One home, which he bought for $70k, now has a $550k mortgage. He has traveled in a stryle I can only dream of…

Need I mention his retirement plan was to ‘cash out’ at $1 million and taunt all of us that never bought a house? ;)

Personally, I’d love a condo overlooking a ballpark. But there are about 500 other wish list items I’ll buy first.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Hoz
2008-03-20 17:26:15

Yech, go to Chicago’s Wrigley field and see all the fans come out and urinate on the sidewalk. Fun to visit, not a place fit to live.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-03-20 17:36:16

I’m particular to vomit. The steps of the Fulton Street station are good for that. The yahoos that plopped down a million or so to live at 59 John Street must also have been big fans of the lumpy sauce.

Real estate rule #7: Body fluids build equity

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Comment by pos
2008-03-20 18:50:01

I have a neighbor that takes the big ski vacations every year, and travels the world and own a set of new expensive cars. A typical big spender.

My wife is a loan broker and the loan brokers are able to view the loans that people have. (Give me an andress, and I can give you the loan amount on the house)

I find out that my neighbor is up to his eyeballs in debt, and he is a banker. I think I will see my first forclosure soon, I have been reading this board and have felt cheated not being able to watch the fun. Watching this game is slower than watching baseball, but with patience I expect to watch the crash and be able to say I told you so.

Comment by twingirls
2008-03-21 21:20:16

I have an address I want looked up. How can I reach you I don’t want to post it here?
Thanks

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Comment by desertdweller
2008-03-20 20:02:41

the lights the lights.. on my gawd the damn bright lights ( baseball parks leave them on for hours and hours) you would need blackout curtains.

 
Comment by Laurie
2008-03-21 04:01:29

>>>
OMG…you should of seen the skyline of Miami for the past couple years…dense with construction cranes building expensive condos that no one can afford to live in…in Miami they build for the “rich South Americans” ..if they were so rich why are they still living in third world countries…they have a 5 YEAR inventory of unsold condos and single family homes…looks like the inland empire 0f CA when you drive west from Miami/Ft Lauderdale…miles and miles of unsold homes that all look exactly the same…empty..enjoy the humidity and the bugs and good luck when the next hurricane leaves south Florida with miles and miles of roofless homes…can you say FEMA???

 
 
Comment by mgnyc
2008-03-20 15:45:35

is this for real? wtf is wrong with people

“One of those homeowners, a lawyer who spoke only on condition of anonymity for professional reasons, said he refinanced his mortgage with an ARM in January 2006 to take $510,000 out to invest in a hotel. ‘I planned to run the hotel with my lovely wife,’ he said.”

“Their strategy was to sell the house after a couple of years, but when they put it on the market in April 2007, there were no buyers. The lawyer, now divorced, calculated that the mortgage payments, now $6,200 a month, plus taxes consume 96 percent of his net income, which includes occasional rent from vacationers who use the house. He lives with relatives and sleeps on the floor.”

no surprise he is divorced

Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 16:19:04

He will probably lose his job anyway and have to walk away. Wife did the right thing divorcing him before he drags her finances into the mud.

 
Comment by WaitingInOC
2008-03-20 16:37:51

I want to know what happened to the $510,000 he took out. Where did that money go?

And why the heck did a lawyer think he could run a hotel? Dentists, doctors, and lawyers (excluding TxChick) seem to make the worst investment decisions.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-03-20 17:37:44

Because they are ego-maniacal a$$holes.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-03-20 17:38:48

Not all, but many, I should add.

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Comment by laonlooker
2008-03-20 16:43:34

Of course, the dumbest thing is still occuring. Why the hell keep paying that kind of mortgage? Just walk away and call it a lesson learned. Just walk away.

 
Comment by LA Wallflower
2008-03-20 17:03:43

There’s also the possibility he might be divorced because the wife was one of those “Real Housewives of the OC” types… and his HELOC ATM ran out.

Comment by jim A
2008-03-21 05:46:58

Or that once the money ran out, he decided to get rid of her with the jetskis and the other expensive toys.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-03-20 17:33:12

…(He) refinanced his mortgage with an ARM in January 2006 to take $510,000 out to invest in a hotel. ‘I planned to run the hotel with my lovely wife,’ he said.”

The only way that scheme would’ve been financially viable is if the hotel was one of those charge-by-the-hour places, and wifey could command a hefty hourly rate.

 
Comment by ella
2008-03-20 19:24:05

The lawyer, now divorced, calculated that the mortgage payments, now $6,200 a month, plus taxes consume 96 percent of his net income, which includes occasional rent from vacationers who use the house. He lives with relatives and sleeps on the floor.”

“‘I don’t regret what I did,’

OK, seriously. What needs to happen for this guy to feel regret?

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-03-20 22:17:03

Unless the combined income of the wife and the lawyer qualified for that huge loan they took out ,I would say we have a liar loan borrower here to begin with .Sorry, I think this lawyer is playing a game here .

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-03-20 15:46:13

“From Valley Center to Del Mar, buyers can be picky.”

Unfortunately the prices are still completely out of whack in that area.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-20 16:06:03

Sellers are being too picky. They are looking for nonexistent offer prices.

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 15:49:14

“‘I don’t regret what I did”

Dude, if you don’t regret blowing half a million and marrying a gold digger I don’t know what would bother you.

Comment by Hoz
2008-03-20 15:58:54

Damn it I just opened a beer when I read your comment and now have to clean my keyboard!

Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-03-20 17:42:21

Holy $hit. Are you saying what I think you are saying? You wasted beer? That is a felony in Wisconsin. You’d better get your a$$ out of town as quickly as possible. Maybe you can lamb it in Chicago. You are in deep doo-doo, Hoz. I sure hope it wasn’t Old Style.

Comment by Hoz
2008-03-20 17:45:48

Lienie’s Big Butt. And I was laughing so hard I spewed. If I got off for a half million I would have been ecstatic!

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-03-20 17:52:42

Leinie Bock. I loved that and Leinie Red. I haven’t had either in 10 years.

 
Comment by Leighsong
2008-03-20 21:31:03

Apologies for shouting:

AVERT EYES when reading blog!

NO TIPPING things to face!

WHEN will you people learn?

HAR!
Leigh ;)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Catherine
2008-03-20 16:16:07

Jeez. These people will say anything to save face.
I guess we can’t expect them to say, “I’m SUCH a freakin’ dumbass!”

 
 
Comment by catspit1
2008-03-20 15:55:59

I agree, that is maybe best quote ever on here. Everything would’ve been fine if the bubble didn’t pop!

Custer: Everything would’ve been fine if the Indians weren’t so angry.

Hitler: Everything would’ve been fine if the Americans had minded their own beeswax.

Elliot Spitzer: Everything would’ve been fine if I’d lost my testicles in a freak la crosse accident as a youth.

Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 16:20:33

And everything would be fine if I won the lottery. Why not? ;)

 
Comment by Darrell_in _PHX
2008-03-20 16:35:32

I’m not sure those apply…. See, the bust was inevitable. It was impossible to NOT happen.

- Columbia crew: It would have been okay had we not returned to Earth.

- Person dead from old age: It would have been okay had I not gotten older.

- Person seeing their sand castle washed away by rising tide: Would have been okay had high tide not returned.

ALL bubble have to end. By their nature they are unsustainable. Prices could NOT keep going up at an unsuatanable pace, forever. It had to end, and this moron doesn’t get that.

Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 16:45:43

I remember the beanie baby bubble. No one even cares about beanie babies now and the “rare” ones are selling for a dime on the dollar. Common ones are a couple bucks a piece, their value is in the labor and materials, nothing more.

 
Comment by catspit1
2008-03-20 16:48:08

Hey man, don’t harsh my buzz going all literal on me, a’right?

 
Comment by ella
2008-03-20 19:34:15

“- Person dead from old age: It would have been okay had I not gotten older.”

hee!

 
Comment by jim A
2008-03-21 05:49:49

The part of King Knut (Canute) will be played by Lawrence Yun.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2008-03-20 17:19:42

GW: Everything would be fine if it ……if……..well everything is fine!

Comment by catspit1
2008-03-20 17:30:44

Nice one!

 
 
 
Comment by Mary
2008-03-20 15:58:30

I was in the Carmel Valley area of San Diego today visiting someone who bought a brand new approx 3,500 sq ft house for about $1.2 million 1 year ago. Today 2 homes were for sale on the same street, same tract. One of the sellers wants $1.66 million for their 3,922 sq ft house. It’s nicely decked out with pool, travertine, etc., but the $425/sq foot price seems pretty outrageous to me.

Comment by Observer
2008-03-20 16:13:08

I can’t image people paying those prices for a tract home. The same size house can be had for half the price within 20 miles of Carmel Valley and those prices are falling. Carmel Valley won’t be able to hold out for much longer.

Comment by Mary
2008-03-21 11:17:26

True, up in Carlsbad they have some 3900 sq ft brand new homes for $750k right now. However these new homes come with a ton of extra fees & such that total almost $12,000 per year including regular prop tax, special taxes, and homeowners’ fees. Most likely the Carmel Valley house has similar fees on top of the outrageous price.

 
 
Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 16:22:56

I have a friend in San Diego who makes $70k a year and is priced out. He still lives with parents, had the chance to rent from a relative but declined. He says he might leave the state if prices don’t go down. They are going down, he needs to be patient.

I remember checking house prices in Scripp’s ranch and they were around $350/foot. How low will they bottom out at? $110/foot?

Comment by Suzanne, I researched this!
2008-03-20 18:05:43

Well San Diego is LEADING the nation in Case-Shiller price drops

Comment by Jas Jain
2008-03-21 10:47:43


You researched correctly, Suzanne, but Case-Shiller doesn’t cover Sacramento, which is down lot more than San Diego. I wonder if Sacramento and San Jose are included in San Francisco area in Case-Shiller.

Jas

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Comment by mrincomestream
2008-03-20 15:59:28

From today’s L.A. Times

HBB’rs should enjoy this…

http://www.latimes.com/classified/realestate/la-re-bubblesong18mar18,0,2320535.story

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-03-20 22:30:29

LOL ….Hello mrincomestream . If your around , do you have a opinion on how the real estate world feels about the Feds actions recently ?

Comment by mrincomestream
2008-03-20 23:20:11

Yea, folks are starting to get nervous and cynical around here…no faith in the fed

 
 
Comment by oc-ed
2008-03-22 00:15:58

That thar was doggone good! Thanks mrincomestream.

 
 
Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 16:01:30

““‘Would you think (high inventory) would get people to drop the price? Yes, but I see more and more people just take (the home) off the market,’ said Anne-marie Boyer, a real estate agent based in Rancho Penasquitos. ‘They just sit on it and figure, ‘If I don’t get what I want, I’ll just keep it.’””

Brings new meaning to “priced in forever” as their bogus equity evaporates into thin air. Let them have their stupid house, we can always rent or move to another state.

Comment by Rich
2008-03-20 17:56:38

Yeah just sit on it. I’ll say it again, you better Bake it, Boil it or Barbecue it because your gonna have to eat it.

 
 
Comment by vmaxer
2008-03-20 16:02:35

Mr. Geller said. ‘It’s not rational to dedicate your life to making the next $5,000 monthly payment on an asset declining in value.’”

This sums up why there is no stopping the decline in housing prices. Even with refinancing, many people will still choose the walk away, rather than stay shackled to an impossible debt.

 
Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-03-20 16:06:47

“Sue Landis, a real estate agent in Carlsbad, says she does not see the home price depreciation — the North County median has dropped 16 percent over the last year — ending until 2009.”

So she thinks it’s different there? I hate her already.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-20 16:08:43

“Most cities in North County carry hundreds of home listings for sale while barely a dozen sell each month.”

Let’s conservatively assume ‘hundreds’ = 200. Then 200/12 = 17 mos worth of inventory in ‘most cities in North County.’

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-20 17:00:06

Case in point: The zip code where we reside (92127) currently has 234 used SFRs for sale (SD Ziprealty.com). According to Sandicor (Caution: link to .pdf file), a total of 17 homes sold. That looks to my lazy eye like a roughly 234/17 = 14 month supply of homes at the recent sales rate.

Unless I missed something, the largest number of SFRs selling in any zip code last month was 26, and in each case, this number is dwarfed by the number of new listings.

 
 
Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 16:09:14

“Anneke Reinhardt, of Hollywood, is among those trying to flee. Her three-bedroom home with a pool in the Lakes area has been on the market since last year, and the divorced senior citizen is shopping for a home in Knoxville, Tenn.”

“‘It is getting too expensive for me to live here and I don’t have a nest egg,’ said Reinhardt, who has lived in Broward for 30 years and works at a lighting factory. ‘I feel I’m crazy staying here when the cost of living is so much less somewhere else.’”

Ive been told that Florida will once again become cheap. Maybe she can move back to Florida when it’s the same price as Tennessee.

Comment by Neil
2008-03-20 17:06:05

“Anneke Reinhardt, of Hollywood, is among those trying to flee. Her three-bedroom home with a pool in the Lakes area has been on the market since last year, and the divorced senior citizen is shopping for a home in Knoxville, Tenn.”

Either Florida or San Diego will be the first to hit “panic.” Trying to flee a state with poor employment and excessive cost of living sounds like only a few months before panic…

Its scary thinking what will happen once unemployment kicks in and starts to drive the housing downturn. Cest la vie.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 18:00:06

Both FL and CA are panicing at around the same time. At least CA has lots of natural scenic attractions. FL has nice beaches and makes for a good week vacation in Jan. But to live in either states? Not for a while.

 
 
 
Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 16:12:01

“The first person to put a down payment on a house was Cindy Lee Dickson of Fort Myers. When she woke up Wednesday morning, she had no idea she was going to buy. Then she saw the prices at Coral Lakes: single-family homes at $133,000 and town houses at $86,000.”

“‘We had thought about it and said no,’ Dickson said. ‘But I think the price I saw today convinced me to buy. I think it’s a wonderful investment.’”

A house is a home, not an investment! Another FB and knife catcher.

Comment by jb
2008-03-20 16:48:20

A house is a home, not an investment!

I generally think this too but maybe we both are wrong. Maybe it is always a home and an investment (right now it could be a great home but a crappy investment?… although, if this were the case, I would likely have one :) )

Comment by catspit1
2008-03-20 16:55:39

A house is a home, not an investment!

Why do you all keep saying this? Hells bells man if i’d bought a house 7 years ago and sold it in the last couple it would’ve been by far the best investment i ever made. Anything that costs $$ can be an investment if you see it coming and time it right.

Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 17:23:11

because you have to sell it to realize the gain and then where do you live ?

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Comment by catspit1
2008-03-20 17:32:32

Wherever the hell you want if you just made about 500k tax-free would be my guess. Does that not spit out about 50k a year at 10%? I think i could find a reasonably nice rental for that.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 17:57:57

Let me know where you find 10%, please !

 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-20 18:07:17

Brazil 3 month treasuries. price/ YTM
3-Month 0.000 07/01/2008 971.15 / 11.45%

 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 18:13:35

Thanks but I got my ass handed to me on New Zealand Krona CD’s , I’ll leave foreign currencies to the professional money losers.

 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-20 18:18:05

You mean like the Federal Reserve?

 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 18:31:35

FNBO sent out E-mail today informing us that our “competitive” new MMF rate was a whopping 3.25%. This week the Mercury news reported that essentials like milk,eggs, bread are up over 25%. I will personally polish Ben Bernakes bald head if anyone cares to bring it to me, body optional.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-03-20 18:41:52

I would say something about his balls, but obviously he has proven that he doesn’t own any.

 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-20 18:55:43

I’ll stay in Brazil for a while, Thank you.

 
Comment by az_lender
2008-03-21 00:15:23

Brazil is great, Hoz, I like my Brazilian stuff too. I am a little annoyed, though, that they have just imposed a 15% tax on the earnings of foreigners. Since we will get credit for this from the IRS, it might be OK…but if I had paid much more foreign tax in 2007, I would be in AMT territory, quel horreur.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 16:14:05

“‘People are buying now because even if it’s not the bottom of the market they are realizing they might not be able to afford it if they wait,’ McGuire said.”

This makes no sense! Those fools think house prices will bubble right back up again.

Comment by Catherine
2008-03-20 16:21:23

They do, don’t they? People talk about the “bottom of the market” like it’s a trampoline. The “bottom” will actually look something like a trapdoor. There’s more…bottom…after the bottom. Let’s just say…pit.

Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 16:48:08

Once we hit bottom, we will scrape along it for a few years then prices will *slowly* rise 2-4% a year. Fools think the bottom is very brief and then prices will shoot up again like a bubble being reinflated.

Maybe next year people will realise the truth.

Comment by Blue Skye
2008-03-20 17:34:43

You remind me that Truth is more than a hopeful expectation.

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Comment by desertdweller
2008-03-20 20:46:07

Speaking of Truth, or some facsimile thereof…

Friend just told me there is a Robert Allen Free Seminar
three day-er for free on How to buy a house for NO money down.
A FREE seminar. geezeluize, I wanted to shake her over the phone. NOTHING is free and neither is his information.

What is with people? One would think she or they are novices at life.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2008-03-20 16:27:56

said bank spokesman Thomas Smith. ‘We’re not going to have the Bear Stearns thing.’”

Wow, This spokesman must have gone all the way past the 8th grade to come up with the ‘Bear Sterns thing’. I’ll bet he can even cipher all the way up to the 6x table! Some kind of high dollar word smith.

Comment by Hoz
2008-03-20 17:00:27

You have to learn bank speech - its a separate language

If the dollar is going down, it is called the US thingie
If a Financial institute goes south, it is called a [company name] thingie
If a loan goes bad, it is called repositioning for the market.
If a house becomes REO, it is called an evaluation of our current circumstance.
If they say they are currently revising the budget, it means the financial plan is in total chaos.
If they say they are basically on plan, it means there’s a serious revenue shortfall.

Comment by Catherine
2008-03-20 19:01:45

funny, Hoz, funny!

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2008-03-20 20:22:53

Thank you Hoz, that helps a lot.

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 17:18:24

Even Bear Stearns didn’t know it was going to have a “Bear Stearns Thing” until it did. What makes this guy so sure he is golden ?

Comment by jim A
2008-03-21 06:01:28

‘Though the SEC is investigating the large amount of shorting of BS that went on before the implosion. Inside information, or non-idiot investors is the question. Soon they’ll figure out a way to ban BOTH…. ;-)

 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2008-03-20 19:35:51

said bank spokesman Thomas Smith. ‘We’re not going to have the Bear Stearns thing.’

Sorry, but that’s not for you to decide. Your customers and creditors will decide if and when you will have ‘the Bear Stearns thing.’

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-03-20 16:48:47

“The high home prices here made it very difficult to get into houses unless you started doing really funky things,” Navarro said.

Get funky, get funky tonite, get funky……. Let’s get funky tonite
Get funky, get funky tonite, get funky……. Let’s get funky tonite
Get funky, get funky tonite, get funky……. Let’s get funky tonite
Get funky, get funky tonite, get funky…….

Let’s get funky tonite!

Comment by catspit1
2008-03-20 17:04:21

what are you wearing, Hoz? wait, i don’t want to know.

Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 17:21:31

Let me guess. Platform shoes, Angel Flight suite (with really tight pants and vest), Wide collared shirt with ruffles, feathered hair, mood ring.

Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 18:02:10

LOL……….

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Comment by Hoz
2008-03-20 18:16:31

I may be short, but platform shoes never. lol

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Comment by Hoz
2008-03-20 17:22:47

In a tee-shirt that says “Green Bay Packers”, some Carhartts and slippers. (As opposed to Ms. Txchick, I don’t trade naked.) Having a few Lienie’s Big Butts. No snooker tonite. :>(

Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-03-20 18:43:01

After several Jack Daniels I seldom get any snooker either.

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Comment by Blano
2008-03-20 19:39:41

I don’t get any before the JD either, thus the JD.

 
 
 
 
Comment by vozworth
2008-03-20 19:51:35

you cant time the bottom.

in life or music.

Song three of the new Black Crowes :

EVERGREEN.

everyone has almost figured out its deflation, therefore the inflation begins.

 
 
Comment by HARM
2008-03-20 17:03:51

“Jeffrey Conner, a San Francisco real estate lawyer, says he regularly hears from his clients ‘that lenders assured them they could always refinance.’”

These buyers should have consulted with their lawyer *before* they signed. He would have “assured” them to either get such a claim in writing, or assume it was pure B.S.

 
Comment by shakes
2008-03-20 17:13:27

I had a coworker put their home in Fallbrook on the market and it was sold in 1 day!!! I couldn’t believe it. He had been listening to me about pricing it on the low end due to the volume and competition so I think he listened. We will see if it closes.

Comment by catspit1
2008-03-20 17:24:20

there is a lot of pent-up demand from people who were not idiots since 2000.

Comment by ella
2008-03-20 20:00:36

I read this first as

“there is a lot of pent-up demand for people who were not idiots since 2000.”

and I was all set to agree with you.

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-03-20 17:43:13

yeah but did he have multiple offers ? A bid higher than asking price ? Did the buyers write a nice perfumed letter saying how much they loved the house begging to be allowed to buy it ? Are the squirrels written into the buyers will ?

 
Comment by Bye FL
2008-03-20 18:04:17

Today’s low prices will be tomorrow’s ripoffs. Another knifecatcher.

Comment by Suzanne, I researched this!
2008-03-20 18:06:35

Chainsaw catcher

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-03-20 18:10:12

Big Under-The-Line game @ the ballpark…

http://www.ombac.org/over_the_line/

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“But court documents filed by the company’s largest creditor contend that Simplon Ballpark has been granted short-term extensions since its existing debt came due in May and it still has been unable to obtain financing. It defaulted on the extension agreements and filed for bankruptcy on the eve of foreclosure, the creditor contends.”

“The creditor also said in court documents that Simplon owes nearly $40 million on the property to 14 additional lenders or investors. It faces an additional $1.5 million in liens for unpaid bills to engineering, architectural and consulting firms.”

 
Comment by Ray Andrew
2008-03-20 18:25:17

Long-time SoCal lurker here. First let me say that I’ve enjoyed this blog for about a year now, and in fact it stopped me from buying a 2nd home in San Diego in Apr 2007 (Ben, donation en route). That said, I think most folks here don’t give us Californicators who bought pre-bubble (the vast majority) enough credit. We’re doing just fine, honest! With the doomers on one side egging on financial armageddon, and knife catchers on the other swimming that river in Egypt, it’s easy to forget that 95+% of us are not underwater, happily paying our monthly nut, and have no use for Joshua trees or similar fauna. In fact, with Helicopter Ben dropping the rate yet again, I calculate that I will be able to pay off my HELOC (yes, I did put in a pool and added more SF to my McMansion) in about 8 years. And no, most of us are not underwater from serial refi’s to get that second BMW, nor do we have any desire for things Prada. And for the record, I am also rooting for a healthy correction so my wife and I can revisit that San Diego purchase.

Anyway, hats off to everyone here for providing free advanced education, and I hope you all find what you’re looking for!

Comment by Vermontergal
2008-03-20 18:58:51

It would be interesting to find out the actual percentage of people who are doing okay vs the serial refinancers etc. It’s too easy to focus on the extremes. (Okay, not so interesting that I’d want to actually spend the time to track down a chart at the moment. ) :)

On the other hand, to sort of brush off the bubble and assume that most people are like you might be a mistake. Also, realize also that many 30 somethings (myself included) did not actually have the chance to buy pre-bubble. All we’ve ever known is housing prices spiraling semi out of control (although that is about to totally change.)

Comment by Ray Andrew
2008-03-20 21:02:55

I feel your pain. As I keep reminding my smug friends who bought pre-2000, “we weren’t smarter, just luckier.”

 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2008-03-20 19:20:52

“I am also rooting for a healthy correction”

OK, one devil’s advocate posting, before I go to bed. We’ve already had your healthy correction, now how about an unhealthy correction, like 50% or more? How would that work? Then would you be doing just fine, honest? And 95+% not underwater sounds pretty optimistic. I’m more inclined to think 90-%, going to 80-%, even in SD. At 10% unemployment, will you even be able to hold onto that first BMW?

Don’t write off Mr. Yucca Brevifolia just yet.

Comment by Ray Andrew
2008-03-20 21:01:32

Are you kidding, the bigger the bust the better! I’m still smarting from the SD builder patronizing me with a 15% “discount” on the home. Can’t wait till the many who bought 2-3 years ago are out on the street so I can start carpetbagging.

As far as an unhealthy correction’s impact, what does it matter if my home value falls over 50% AS LONG AS I CAN AFFORD THE FIXED PAYMENTS? As has been said repeatedly, your home is not an investment.

Finally, I don’t live in SD (actually OC) so I don’t know what the actual % of homeowners are drowning, but as far as my small circle of friends, I don’t know of any.

BTW, I don’t even have that first Beemer, but my VW Eurovan is Teutonic so does that count?

Comment by jim A
2008-03-21 06:07:49

Eurovan PSHAW! One of my coworkers has a type II old enough that there’s a decal on the dash to remind you that it has a 12 volt electrical system.

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Comment by Thomas
2008-03-21 11:49:19

Speaking of Yucca brevefolia, does anyone here know how hard it is to put new window frames in a cinder block wall?

I’ve acquired the proverbial “huge tracts of land” in Joshua tree country from the natives for only slightly more than the price of two bolts of calico cloth, three mirrors, and a hat. There’s an old 1940s-vintage cinder-block homestead cabin on the property, which I spent last weekend cleaning out. The windows and frames need replacing (broken and rusted). How hard is it to install new ones? Is it something a moderately handy guy can do?

 
 
Comment by cactus
2008-03-20 20:25:41

yes pre bubble buyers are fine but…all that equity gone equals delayed retirement for a whole lot of CA home owners who were planning on cashing out and moving to LAs Vegas, AZ, maybe NM or Idaho, Bend OR, etc. So keep working CA its good for you.

Comment by Ray Andrew
2008-03-20 21:31:37

Not sure what you mean about equity gone. Buying in 1997 means home values went up over 200% at the peak (bought at 330k, appraised at 890k in 2005). Even a 100% drop keeps us rightside-up. Anyway, it’s a moot point since in about 20 years the principal is all paid off.

 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2008-03-20 22:02:05

My apologies - doesn’t pass the smell test.

Not my house, so I defer.

Lurked a year?

Just sayin’

Comment by Leighsong
2008-03-20 22:10:05

Er…I may add the 95%+ of you and yours (who?)…are not underwater with HELOCs for pool and such, but not BMW, Lawd forbid.

Drowning in that river of deNILE?

A healthy correction…hmm…for the purchase of a SD investment for the lady. Hat’s off to you sir!

Comment by Ray Andrew
2008-03-21 07:19:43

Ummm…ok? (Been lurking here long enough to know that half the stuff you post is hard to follow).

Anyway, going back to lurk mode now.

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Comment by Ray Andrew
2008-03-21 08:36:18

???

 
 
 
Comment by Tom
2008-03-20 18:38:01

I don’t think I need to be drinking coffee right now : )

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-03-20 19:53:50

Coffee, coffee, did I just see coffee?

 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2008-03-20 19:16:05

“Jeffrey Conner, a San Francisco real estate lawyer, says he regularly hears from his clients ‘that lenders assured them they could always refinance.’”

That’s right up there with “I promise I’ll pull out.”

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-03-20 22:41:33

LOL

 
 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2008-03-20 19:16:09

“Late Tuesday, Eric Pony, 25, and his sister, Paulette Pony, 23, surrendered to face charges including conspiracy, grand theft, forgery and elder abuse. Five other suspects were also arrested.”

Thus ended Eric and Paulette Pony’s horse-and-pony show!

 
Comment by jbunniii
2008-03-20 19:21:44

“California, the birthplace of the subprime mortgage industry, is paying the highest price of any state as the housing meltdown persists. Its gross domestic product will drop 1.5 percent in the first half of 2008, the most in the U.S., analysts at Global Insight Inc. estimate.”

Say, isn’t that the definition of a recession?

Comment by rms
2008-03-20 20:52:49

“Say, isn’t that the definition of a recession?”

What would California’s Terminator call it?

 
 
Comment by chris_415
2008-03-20 19:30:20

‘Prices are not going to go up this year’ - Bye bye HELOC! The housing ATM is out of cash.

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-03-20 19:48:02

Voz is sittin back watchin the meltdown.

here is a couple more shows I’ll enjoy over the summer round these patrs of Oregon .

Brit Festival
Crosby Stills and Nash
Bob Weir with Ratdog
Lyle Lovett
Joe Cocker and Steve Miller
Willie Nelson

season closes with Black Crowes.

enjoy life people, summertime music festival revival is here..

oh yeah, market rallies.

I backed up the truck on the meltdown, lets party.

Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-03-21 08:08:24

Voz, I wanna party!

 
 
Comment by IUnknown
2008-03-20 20:03:16

“After their adjustable-mortgage rate rose last year, their payments climbed 20 percent to $1,900 a month, or more than two- thirds their monthly income of $3,000. The couple put the home up for sale because they could no longer afford it, Subers said.”

$3,000 a month! I’m still completely amazed at people’s incomes vs. the home they bought. What the hell was going thru their mind?

Comment by NOVA Renter
2008-03-21 04:54:28

Exactly. Before their 20% increase they were still paying close to $1,600 a month or more than half of their monthly income of $3,000. WTH is wrong with people?

 
 
Comment by friar john
2008-03-20 20:40:05

Yuan Heads for Biggest Weekly Advance in a Month on Inflation

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aS.e5L6KJgNw&refer=home

More pressure on the dollar. China sees the only way to truly reign in inflation is to let that yuan rise. Commodities will be going down with the dollar too.

 
Comment by Mike in Carlsbad
2008-03-20 22:20:19

“In February 2007, Capital Corp’s chief consulting economist Tapan Munroe predicted that the Central Valley wasn’t facing a housing bust. Instead, he termed the slowdown as a ’souffle with the air slowly leaking out.”

I term it ‘a pancake’

Comment by az_lender
2008-03-21 00:26:34

better yet, ‘a crepe’

 
 
Comment by Gilly
2008-03-21 02:55:42

From the AP

“We’re in the midst of an epic, broad, sweeping change in the mortgage industry,” said Chris Sipe, a loan officer with America East Mortgage in Frederick, Md.

The reluctance to extend credit comes despite a flurry of government initiatives, including steady interest rate cuts by the Federal Reserve, intended to make it easier for would-be borrowers and those facing interest-rate resets on their mortgages

The Fed is behind the curve,feeding inflation,and making it harder to live IMO.

 
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