A Lot Of People Are Waiting, And Time Is On Their Side
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Many banks are revoking home equity lines of credit because mortgage balances are exceeding the actual value of homes. Brad Dodson of Palm Bay is one. Bank of America sent him a letter and told him he no longer had access to the $60,000 credit line because of declining home values. ‘It was the banks that gave the easy money and they are the ones who should have to pay for the loss, not me,’ Dodson said.”
“Mike Scafiddi made a series of bad decisions that left him strapped for cash - and wondering how much longer he can keep paying the mortgage for the home he and his wife have owned for 22 years. He got $27,000 from the refi, paying off most of the credit card debt. But the monthly mortgage payments rose more than $600.”
“Sitting at the kitchen table where he signed for the loan, he said he doesn’t expect sympathy for his lapse in judgment. ‘People will say, ‘Screw you, you were an idiot,’ and for a minute, I was,’ he said.”
“In order to sell standing inventory and continue growth within the development, RiverWalk Place in Manchester has just unveiled a dramatic price reduction. Ten select units have been reduced by as much as $100,000, with pricing now starting at $249,900.”
“Says Eric Chinburg, developer of RiverWalk Place and owner of Chinburg Builders, ‘We would like to sell these standing townhomes so that we can move on to the next phase of the project.’”
“Once upon a time, the crazy offers came from buyers who bid prices to astronomical heights and waived inspections and contingency clauses in sales contracts. Now, as homeowners compete with record high supply from foreclosed homes and builders’ discounted inventory, the shoe’s on the other foot.”
“Frustrated as her house languished on the market for three straight summers, J.J. Rodgers is trying a new sales tactic: giving the two-story home away in an essay contest. Rodgers last listed the property at $169,000 after cutting the price three times.”
“‘We don’t have anything to lose,’ said Rodgers. ‘If we’re unsuccessful, at least we did something different from what we’ve already tried.’”
“‘People are offering all kinds of goofy things to get their houses sold,’ said real estate agent Allen Butler in Surprise, Ariz. ‘But what gets a house sold really is going to be based on price and price alone.’”
“Pity the Maryland taxpayers. Montgomery County, residents seem certain to face higher property tax bills — just as the economy slows down.”
“Karen Butler of Germantown moved her son to off-campus housing at the University of Maryland at College Park. But after tuition and mortgage payments, Metro fare and groceries, she has little left each month for clothing, which has become a luxury.”
“‘I’m sick of it,’ she said. ‘I just can’t afford to keep up.’ So Butler, a 40-year county resident, is packing up for West Virginia.”
“Data provided by the Warren County permit office shows that permits issued for new home construction outside the City of Vicksburg fell by more than 40 percent from 2006 to 2007. Homebuilder David Brewer said the Vicksburg market is glutted with new homes.”
“Brewer said many laborers and subcontractors are looking for work, he said. ‘I have guys calling me from Jackson, from Madison, guys calling from Oxford,’ he said. ‘Lumber prices are phenomenally low. Sheetrock is low. I went from paying 28 cents a square foot for sheetrock to between 15 and 18 cents. A $15 board is now $9.’”
“Brad Galey, White Construction’s project manager for the Ameristar Casino expansion, said that if work doesn’t pick up for him soon, he may look for a job with one of the gas pipelines being laid through Warren County or move to Utah or Colorado, where he has been told there is more work available.”
“‘The way I see it, the phone hasn’t rung, and I don’t hear many builders saying the phones are ringing off the hook,’ he said.”
“The site for the planned $43 million Renaissance Tower in Fayetteville, now a large hole in the ground in the shadow of a towering construction crane, will languish a while longer, development partner Richard Alexander said.”
“The hotel, retail and condominium project is one of several Northwest Arkansas projects delayed because of a slowing real estate market and tightening loan standards.”
“Developers of the long-delayed Grandview Heights multistory condominium towers may change the project to an upscale hotel instead, Benton County Planning Director Ashley Pope said. The project features 486 units priced between $ 300,000 and $ 1.3 million.”
“‘I don’t think it has tightened up to a point where a bank wouldn’t look at a viable project if it was presented to them,’ said Ross Mallioux, chief lending officer for First Federal Bank of Arkansas. ‘But with so much oversupply out there right now, it comes down to asking what is a viable project.’”
“At some of downtown Houston’s most desired addresses, high-rise condos sit empty. ‘We’ve been on the market with this one for about 137 days, which is not even average yet for time on the market in this area,’ Treadstone Realty Group’s Kirt Primeaux said of a unit at the Kirby Lofts on Main Street.”
“Primeaux said the unit, which once had a selling price of near $500,000, may realistically only fetch half of that from a buyer nowadays. ‘A lot of people are waiting to see what happens, and time is on their side,’ he said.”
“It’s a price fall that’s being felt far beyond downtown. Parts of suburban Houston and other outlying communities have also witnessed rising foreclosure rates and falling home prices.”
“For example, a 24,000-square-foot mansion in The Woodlands appraised at more than $7 million recently sold for roughly a third of that price.”
“In 2005, the housing market in Pinal County boomed. In the last three months of 2005, Pinal County saw 6,055 new and resale homes purchased, according to Arizona State University Polytechnic. In the first three months of 2007, home sales dropped steeply, to 3,320.”
“However, much of the resale market is based on bank foreclosures and short sales of homes by banks that want to get as much as they can out of a house at risk of foreclosure while developers sit on the sidelines, said Bambi Sandquist, a Pinal County real estate agent.”
“The market has brought in investors, but not necessarily a population of families that will continue to live and spend money in the area, she said. ‘This kind of happened overnight,’ Sandquist said. ‘There’s lots of investors. They’ve been coming and buying new homes. Prices are half of what they were in some places.’”
“ST. Joseph, the real estate agent, is going to have a busy spring. Nationally, the housing market is not exactly booming, and St. Joe is known to be a whiz at selling houses. Just plant him in the ground in the front or back and it encourages the sale of your house. Maybe.”
“‘The sale of St. Joseph statues is brisk,’ says Mark Gould, who runs Religious Supply Center in Davenport. ‘When the ground thaws, I expect a bigger rush.’”
“Gould says, ‘I get calls all the time from real estate agents wanting to buy St. Joseph statues for their clients.’ A friend tells of an agent who carries a box of St. Joseph statues in the trunk of the car.”
“Some put St. Joseph in a plastic bag, but the story is told of one seller who wouldn’t do that, ‘because I was afraid he’d smother.’”
“Religious supply stores have St. Joseph statues in all sizes and prices. ‘I have one wooden St. Joseph that is 5feet tall, hand-carved. The price is $6,000,’ says Gould.” “That might be appropriate for some really high-end Quad-City homes that are on the market.”
“Watching the housing/mortgage/financial crisis unfold, I keep thinking about the joke about the difference between neurotics and psychotics. The former builds castles in the sky and the latter moves into them.”
“Until the bubble burst, a lot of folks were living in these castles in the air, made possible by bountiful and creative mortgage financing. Now, we’re being reminded that there is indeed something called reality from which many became detached.”
“Peter Thiel, president of a global hedge fund, writing about market bubbles in the latest Policy Review journal of the Hoover Institution, says, ‘U.S. real estate prices in 2005 were more distorted than in 1929, 1979, or 1989, or at any other time in history.’”
“To go back to the psychotic living in the castle in the sky, the task today must be to restore a sense of reality to the patient rather than moving in with him.”
“Proposals such as allowing bankruptcy judges to rewrite mortgage terms contributes to chaotic fundamentals, massive government intervention, whether it be through moratoriums on foreclosures and interest rate freezes, or government takeovers and refinancing of loans creates new distortions.”
“Our resilient and prosperous free society is built on law and personal responsibility. Pain is a normal part of life. It tells us something is wrong. What is critical is that we get the right message about the nature of the problem.”
Another great week and a big one coming up. My thanks to those who support this blog. Please check back this weekend for news, your market observations and topics.
it is true that a lot of people are waiting, but with the new standard and rigor of mortgage loan approval process, only a fraction of this group can buy. so there is not the ‘pend up’ demand that realtors hope for unless prices got back to 2001-2002 level.
So where are the knife catchers comming from? Ive been hearing you can buy with 5% down. Banks all over America need to mandate 20% down and we will see prices bottom out very fast.
Rigor Mortgage? I guess that’s what’s been happening to the market…
/har har
Thanks Ben!
This one quote, with regards to poor ole St. Joe, had me rollin’ on the floor on a snowy afternoon:
‘When the ground thaws, I expect a bigger rush.’
It’s been thawed all winter in Palmdale, yet in the hardest hit zip of 93550 the median was down 45% YOY. 45%!!!
Source:
dqnews.com/Charts/Monthly-Charts/LA-Times-Charts/ZIPLAT0802.aspx
“Some put St. Joseph in a plastic bag, but the story is told of one seller who wouldn’t do that, ‘because I was afraid he’d smother.’”
Jesus Christ.
Lots of gems in this post, Ben. Kudos.
As many others before me have said, I appreciate the opportunity this site gives for me to read the sentiments, opinions, rants, raves, and on-the-ground reports from a wide variety of people whose voice I want to hear. The voices run the gamut of political leanings, financial experience, business experience, generational difference, and personal attitude about life. The common thread is an interest in the events around us and an intelligent opinion about how we got here and where we are going, even though opinions vary by wee bits.
Thanks for the experience.
That pretty much sums it up. It’s like our own town square! Come for the news, stay for the gossip…
All kidding aside, I am awed by the intelligence and downright creative flair exhibited on this site. Gives me hope.
“‘People are offering all kinds of goofy things to get their houses sold,’ said real estate agent Allen Butler in Surprise, Ariz. ‘But what gets a house sold really is going to be based on price and price alone.’”
OK. (Breathe).
Over supply - check.
Price it right- check.
Qualified buyers at your wishing price - uncheck.
Sigh.
Condo boom in Arkansas? All kidding aside, Monday will be interesting in the markets after reading the news that has come out today- Good Friday is a nice day to sneak in some bad news:
“Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin called for quick government action to tackle the rising level of home foreclosures and he indicated taxpayer money will have to be used.
“There is a strong need for urgent action,” Rubin, who is chairman of Citigroup Inc.’s executive committee, said. “I would be very, very seriously considering the possibility of using public funds in one form or another.” ”
If Rubin is speaking up, there must be some more stuff getting ready to hit the fan.
Next:
“The U.S. Justice Department is conducting a broad review of the subprime lending crisis to see if there is a “larger criminal story” to the mortgage meltdown, Attorney General Michael Mukasey said.
The FBI, the Justice Department’s investigative arm, announced earlier this year it was investigating 14 corporations for possible accounting fraud related to the mortgage rout; the number now is almost 20. The collapse in the credit markets has forced people from their homes, shaken Wall Street and become a major issue in Congress and the presidential campaign.”
Go to Bloomberg for the full stories.
“The U.S. Justice Department is conducting a broad review of the subprime lending crisis to see if there is a “larger criminal story’’ to the mortgage meltdown, Attorney General Michael Mukasey said.”
BWAHAHAHAHA! I’m not holding my breath. I don’t look so good when I turn blue.
‘U.S. real estate prices in 2005 were more distorted than in 1929, 1979, or 1989, or at any other time in history.’
I think the difference between now and any other downturn in American history is the lethal combination of unabashed greed, smothering hubris and stupidity, as well as total gubmint incompetence.
I think the looking too deeply into the perfect storm of this meltdown might show a mirror of our own face rather than a deep dark well.
The bonuses from my scumbag neighbors could certainly buy up a lot of foreclosures. Let those ba$tards pony up their cash before they start calling for ours.
If Rubin is speaking up, there must be some more stuff getting ready to hit the fan.
Enron Bob Rubin has his hands out again?
“Bank of America sent him a letter and told him he no longer had access to the $60,000 credit line because of declining home values. ‘It was the banks that gave the easy money and they are the ones who should have to pay for the loss, not me,’ Dodson said.””
Yet another person for whom debt=income. What “loss” is Mr. Dodson incurring by losing the line of credit?
These chump lenders holding all these second-mortgages are the ones really getting hosed. Can you say Citi? (I’m still amazed how many folks don’t understand that a HELOC is a second). The reason they’re getting hosed is that they’re getting NADA when these homes foreclose and resell. Hey, when the dude in first position is taking a loss, where do you think that leaves the second? Talk about riding the JT. I’m surprised there’s any second-mortgage money left out there (for the most part, there really isn’t).
I’m shocked there is any cash out refinancing. If any bank is still loose with 2nd mortgages, please tell me. I’d like to buy some puts.
Got Popcorn?
Neil
If the frugals who stockpiled equity during the price runup didn’t tap into it then, there’s slim chance they’ll cash it out now that prices are dropping.
The banks would love to get to these frugals because (to borrow from Willy Sutton) that’s where the money is, that’s where the equity lies.
But the banks are SOL; frugals don’t just wake up one morning and decide to become spendaholics.
I betcha a lot of spendaholics are waking up one morning and deciding to become frugals…
And this is the dagger through the heart of the “global decoupling” hypothesis.
The Chindians aren’t going to become latte-swilling, credit-swiping spendaholics overnight. It takes a few generational turns.
Admittedly, they are both making great inroads into it though. Maybe in 20 years or so.
Overheard… guy had a equity line, but didn’t want to use it, only if needed, and that would be after he had to use his savings ie Emergencies. So it, in his mind was an extra savings account.
Another baffoon that doesn’t realize the equity isn’t his until he sells - until then the bank is just giving him a loan against the equity. No equity - no loan. A big fat duh.
Entirely rationale plan.
However, the quote is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. Let’s rail about losing the credit line by confirming the banks fear that I might not be able to pay it back, by confirming that I never intended to.
I may have to revisit my bullish stance. I really don’t want to be on the same team with this clown
http://nymag.com/news/businessfinance/bottomline/45299/
“For the past eight months we’ve been in a terrible bear market in this country…”
Nice to see a drama major make it in the world of finance!
Ms. Tx,
Even Casey was right about gold!
So let Mr. Cramer get some more suckers into the trap. Remember Mr. Cramer is still doing what he did years ago, scamming the market. I was amazed when he admitted (6 months ago or so) about marking stocks to influence the market action. So illegal and on video tape. Why isn’t he in jail?
I would say 10 years of group sodomy would be a fitting punishment for Jimbo but something tells me he wouldn’t view that as punishment.
You do the punishment; I’m out!
Hey! No one’s porkin’ anyone on my watch! Go find yourself some prickly vegetation and be done with it.
What IS the deal with Cramer?, he just seems to wave his arms and shout. What is it these days with news “analysts”? The bigger the lung power the more apt we’ll believe what they say? Drama queens, I tell you.
The sad part is that I used to like the Kudlow and Cramer show when they were on CNBC. It seemed like a pretty reasonable show. Then monkey boy and cocaine charlie split up and both became “stars”. It ruined both of them.
“I was amazed when he admitted (6 months ago or so) about marking stocks to influence the market action.”
Yeah, that was surreal moment. I was sitting there chowin’ on some grub when I heard his little confession and nearly choked.
Did I read that right? James Cramer thinks that we are now at the bottom of the collapse, because we have suffered enough (the pain of Bear Sterns) and the Fed is now forced to fix the problem?
“Not just for the stock itself, which happens to be the venerable Bear Stearns, but for the whole stock market, and for the long-suffering housing market, too.
For the past eight months we’ve been in a terrible bear market in this country, with the Wall Street averages cascading down by double-digit percentages,”
CNBC really needs to institute drug testing, at least for this troglodyte piece of $hit. A bear market isn’t here until the index is down by 20%. Not one of the three major indexes is down by 20% yet chimp boy calls the end to the bear market. We really need to bring back tar and feathering.
The saddest thing I’ve learned through this mess is that America exists only for the elites. The past 3 years have wiped away so many illusions I used to have. The boy is growing up.
I hear ya dude. The end of the innocence.
I’d say you’re right, TX. You should always do the opposite of what Jimmy Cramer says. He was hot on Toll and Lennar in the Fall of 2006. I did that video of Cramer then.
Do opposite of Cramer’s recommendations and you will make money, if you follow his advise you will definitely loose money.
“Says Eric Chinburg, developer of RiverWalk Place and owner of Chinburg Builders, ‘We would like to sell these standing townhomes so that we can move on to the next phase of the project.’”
Oh, and act like that 100K reduction never happened? Let me know how that works out for ya.
Once prices get reduced, comps will speak for themselves.
“‘I don’t think it has tightened up to a point where a bank wouldn’t look at a viable project if it was presented to them,’ said Ross Mallioux, chief lending officer for First Federal Bank of Arkansas. ‘But with so much oversupply out there right now, it comes down to asking what is a viable project.’”
You mean… no it can’t be… they are going to ask if it is VIABLE??? Where do they get off asking if a project is viable?
/sarc
My thinking NAR, CAR, HGTV and David Liareah have some culpability in this mess. It was their predictions Home prices never go down just go up and connect that with lower rates and this is what you get.
And let’s not forget Gary Watson, LAY and my favorite CNBC.
Right on Stan. What about good old fashioned personal accountability and responsibility for them? Ooops I nary forgot. Only us commoner folk are subject to those rules.
Anybody else trying to watch the John Adams shows on HBO? I keep watching them wondering if we are any better off that the “Patriots” won. Every time I hear a quote from Robert Rubin, Jim Cramer, Hi!!ary Cl!nton, George Bu$h, D!ck Cheney, or any of the other collection of fools, I really have my doubts.
I like to play a game figuring out what side my friends or family would have taken during the Revolutionary War. Being known in the family as the “flaming liberal’ (for reasons rather curious, since I try to look at each situation on its merits, though I do have an abiding disgust with our current adminstration), I’d of course, be aligned with the treasonous camp. It’s easy to imagine that the more cautious & compliant status quo friends/family would remain ever faithful to the King.
Are you sure you don’t want to reword the “flaming” thing?
The flaming reference surely seems to be shifting to the right. It’s only a matter of time before they get dragged out of the closet.
well, I have red hair…
My many-times great grandfather was arrested, along with two of his brothers and imprisoned by the redcoat Col Williams in Spartanberg during the Revolutionary War.
Their mother rode to the garrison, leading 6 English soldiers that had been captured, and offered them up as ransom for the release of her sons.
After a bit of name calling over the battlements, they released the 3 brothers and took in the English soldiers.
Which was good, because if they’d executed the youngest brother as they were preparing to, then I wouldn’t be here.
You can’t make this stuff up
fantastic story. find a way to get it published in a market that caters to kids (magazines like Highlights for Children, for instance). How can the next generation learn if we don’t pass the stories along?…
Cool history.
It would be neat, if we had geneaological tidbits, if we proffered these things on the Bits blog. If it had historical merit, or just a good story.
Anyone?
Dad is feverishing working on Tree and so far..no horsethieves, but Lady Godiva whom I must take after.
Remember to remind me on bits. I’ve got tons of stories.
Its become clear thru this mess that MOST people will get any amount of credit the bank will let them up to infinity.
Ive seen lots of 1.7m zero down loans from bubble years coming up for sale as REO. 10 years ago that would have seemed to warrant FBI intervention, now its normal.
First of all, I am in the market for a home right now. I have good credit and the bank has said I can get a loan. But right now I am waiting for a Great Deal and not just the odd good deal that comes around before buying. So yeah, there are people who are willing to buy but as the headline of this post says, People are waiting and time is on our side.
As a matter of fact, I created a blog post that covers how this whole bubble was created. Try this link:
http://bigredonion.com/?p=44
“First of all, I am in the market for a home right now.”
Get yourself into rehab ASAP.
You know, I’m starting to get sick of this whole house obsession. I’m a (finger quotations) “homeowner” but I’m clear on the finer point that I don’t actually own it. It’s a frickin house. Big deal. I like it, I furnish and decorate it, but it isn’t my LIFE. I happened to buy it when I bought it, and it serves my needs now, but who knows what tomorrow brings? Are people so spiritually devoid that they have nothing else going on? And really, all of you just waiting on the sidelines to get your Dream House, get over yourself. The sky isn’t falling because the prices have been manipulated, and you can’t get into your voodoo, dream on, house. In the words of Stanley Kowaslki, “HAH!”
I don’t understand your post.
I am not looking to buy any time soon. I don’t care to buy at all. The only reason I care about this bubble is because of the incredible damage it is going to do.
Sorry, Just a general observation, not specific to anything you posted. This housing bubble is systemic to larger things that ail our country, which is why it interests me. The misguided holy grail of buying a house, not so much.
Easy NYC,……put the JT down.
Salad - Good one!
Stanley Kowalski
Audience members may well see Stanley as an egalitarian hero at the play’s start. He is loyal to his friends and passionate to his wife. Stanley possesses an animalistic physical vigor that is evident in his love of work, of fighting, and of sex. His family is from Poland, and several times he expresses his outrage at being called “Polack” and other derogatory names. When Blanche calls him a “Polack,” he makes her look old-fashioned and ignorant by asserting that he was born in America, is an American, and can only be called “Polish.” Stanley represents the new, heterogeneous America to which Blanche doesn’t belong, because she is a relic from a defunct social hierarchy. He sees himself as a social leveler, as he tells Stella in Scene Eight.
Stanley’s intense hatred of Blanche is motivated in part by the aristocratic past Blanche represents. He also (rightly) sees her as untrustworthy and does not appreciate the way she attempts to fool him and his friends into thinking she is better than they are. Stanley’s animosity toward Blanche manifests itself in all of his actions toward her—his investigations of her past, his birthday gift to her, his sabotage of her relationship with Mitch.
In the end, Stanley’s down-to-earth character proves harmfully crude and brutish. His chief amusements are gambling, bowling, sex, and drinking, and he lacks ideals and imagination. His disturbing, degenerate nature, first hinted at when he beats his wife, is fully evident after he rapes his sister-in-law. Stanley shows no remorse for his brutal actions. The play ends with an image of Stanley as the ideal family man, comforting his wife as she holds their newborn child. The wrongfulness of this representation, given what we have learned about him in the play, ironically calls into question society’s decision to ostracize Blanche.
Leigh Citrowski
Hey Salad, I think I understand. The entire country is up in arms about houses and have been since the bubble started - like life has no meaning unless one owns a house. A house is just where you live just like a job is where you go to make money - it’s not who you are and it’s not the whole point of life. Never owned a house until I was over 50 and even then had a mortgage. Never considered I owned anything if someone could come take it away. Raised 2 daughters who never even knew the difference. Home was where they lived, home was where mom was there to take care of them and our home (usually an apartment) was where all the kids hung out. Never really discussed with anyone whether I rented or owned - none of their business. There’s so much more to life than where you live. I think society has become obsessed with houses - we have TV channels devoted to them - I just don’t get it.
Nice blog link…flipping homes is kind of like a drug, isn’t it?
When I go to the MLS real estate listings and craigslist, I think of it as “housing porn”, where I beat off looking at untouchable, fake and overpriced hotties that are ‘going fast’. I never send emails though, it’s hard to type with sticky fingers trying to reply to all those staged living rooms and stainless kitchens. If I don’t watch myself, I might start wearing long overcoats and offering no doc refis to all the desperate-looking MILFs running around town these days.
Take a deep breath and dial Crisis Hotline, or maybe 1-999-IAM-REDY.
NAH call
1-800-CON-VICT and help keep RE Agents out of jail!
WHEW lol hahaha
Today’s good deal is tomorrow’s ripoff. Only buy in a non bubble location like NW Pennsylvania.
Bye,
do you have options on all of NW Pennsylvania and stand to reap a commission if we buy in?
(humorous only, not a mean remark).
LOL no. And if people rushed to buy in NW PA, theres 20 other locations I can buy or just wait another year and 50 more locations will become affordable.
NW PA is shelter from the bubble madness. When the bubble is gone, there will be 100s of locations as cheap or nearly so as NW PA
They are waiting on you Bye. You can’t sit on the fence forever. Go for it.
Heloc came into people’s credit minds once the tax code was changed to not allow us deducting cc interest. Banks started advertising you could subtract HELOC and to use it to pay off the cc cards. People thought about the write off and not the paying off of the loan or losing their home
A HELOC debt is the lesser of the evils vs. credit card debt. But that too must be paid off or you lose your house.
It doesn’t make sense to me to transfer non-recourse debt to recourse debt though. If god forbid something tragic happened to your family, and you couldn’t pay the credit cards, then poor Mastercard just has to wait. If you can’t pay your mortgage, you lose your house.
I am afraid that the prevailing thought about this issue is along the lines of:
But, but, but, making a small obscure contract change like that just to save 10% to 20% or so in interest rate shouldn’t cause some obscure massive change like that when I want to declare bankruptcy! It is NOT FAIR! Someone save me, I’m being persecuted!
Palmetto’s moment of Schadenfreude:
http://www.observernews.net/artman2/publish/Top_Stories/Failing_Seawalls_Spark_Lawsuit.shtml
A completely awesome story. This community (and I use the term loosely) was the lead “upscale” waterfront development in the housing bubble in this part of the Tampa Bay area. They started selling lots in 2002, if memory serves. People were camped out overnight and flipping their contracts, based on the fact that it was the “last major piece of undeveloped waterfront” in the Tampa Bay area. Some of the locals were in absolute hysterics, since the land was basically mangrove mudflats and swampland that required tons of fill to even make buildable. One lady who used to work at a local thrift store pointed out that all it took was a good moon tide for the land to be underwater, sometimes the water wasn’t too far from Rte. 41 during a good full moon.
Mira Bay. You oughta see it. What a piece of crap. Faux tin roofs on faux Key West style McCrapboxes. Faux lighthouse at the entrance (with gas guzzling SUVs and Hummers going in and out). Excavated canals so people can have their boats. Homes priced over one million smackers. In a very mediocre part of Florida on a stinkingly polluted Tampa Bay, with a fantastic view of the Tampa Electric power plant belching smoke into the sky. And for what? Cracking seawalls, sinkholes, shifting foundations and, as one person in the story points out, they can only get their boat out at very high tide. Oh, and did I mention there’s a commercial development going up to service this proud “upscale” community, anchored by a Sweetbay Supermarket, recently in the news because hackers got into their system and have the credit and debit card numbers of their customers? And did I mention that a mortgage broker friend of mine said half the sales in MiraBay were to infestors and there’s a ton of empty properties?
I have NO sympathy for the people who bought in there. NONE. A little bit of due diligence would have made clear that this place was built on shaky ground. Just north, Apollo Beach has been struggling for years with canals that are filling in. Why should it be any different at MiraBay? Let the whole place slide into Tampa Bay and the area will be better off like it was before.
Most of south Florida was vast swampland to begin with. Global warming causes rising sea levels that could cover all of south Florida with a foot of salt water. Have fun wading.
I know someone who bought in MiraBay, to live and not to flip, for just over $400k in 2004. He and his wife then moved two years later to the Space Coast area. I checked the county property appraiser’s website out of curiosity, and found that he miraculously was able to sell in late 2006 for $475k.
The real crisis is a recent shortage of optimists.
palmetto: I saw “Hurricanes on the Bayou” about Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans, iMax, beautiful movie.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0838265/
main point is that wetlands if protected will inland areas
wetlands if protected will protect inland areas
“‘I’m sick of it,’ she said. ‘I just can’t afford to keep up.’ So Butler, a 40-year county resident, is packing up for West Virginia.”
There ya go. People are getting “homesick”.
Now the State of MD will charge her out-of-state tuition for her kid at the UofMD. Doh!
I had to fill out the application for in-state residence about 2 years ago. I don’t think the kid would necessarily loose it if the parent moved. But I’d recommend that he report his residence as his MD location, keep driver’s liscence in MD, keep voting in MD, etc.
Great advice - foward thinking.
I just had to do the opposite. Daughter in college in MD and when she went to file taxes she wanted to file in state. I had to tell her to back up the bus - I’m a CA resident and take her as a deduction. If she claims MD residence - bye bye deduction. Also, less financial aid (scholarship) for in state than for out of state. Seeing as she never transferred DL and voted absentee, she decided it was best to stay a CA resident. It’s a complicated issue with wide ranging ramifications.
The stubborn $on-of-a-bi!ch at my work told me today that it is a great time to buy, again today. I told him he had “missed the boat” on the entire real estate issue. He said it’s a good time to buy now because interest rates will start going back up. I told him that would cause demand to drop and prices would have to come down further. It was as if I had just thrown a running chainsaw at him. I sure hope he tries to catch a knife. I like him but he needs to be taught a whole slew of lessons.
I like him but he needs to be taught a whole slew of lessons.
lol!
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaby!
I’m gonna Jack slap your arse - no one tells NYC’b that it is a great time to buy, chainsaw baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaby!
Make sure the blade is sharp!
HAR!
Leigh
Pension plans take chance on mortgages
Sayonara rest of states pension moneys
Doubling down for profits the Calpers way!
Wheee.
http://tinyurl.com/28hjgh
CALPERS is noithing else if not consistent. They are always on the wrong side of the Boom-Bust.
Sir Hoz,
Money for nothing, nothing is free (says Gram).
To a rare gentleman ~
Best Always,
Leigh
Pension Plans Take Chance on Mortgages
Friday March 21, 11:15 am ET
By Jim Davenport, Associated Press Writer
Some State Pension Plans Seek Returns in Out-Of-Favor Mortgage Market
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080321/state_pensions_mortgages.html
I will take one hundred million on red.
It’s OPM, so what the hell.
$1 million condos in f_____g Arkansas? Sign me up Suzanne! If I don’t buy now I’ll be priced out forever.
Many parts of Arkansas are quite pretty. The snots on the left and right coasts wouldn’t know that, of course. But million dollar condos in Razorback land? That’s nuts.
Northwest AK is very pretty..so much so that more billionaires live in the tricounty area of NW Arkansas than anywhere else in the world…can you say Tyson Foods or WalMart…all those heirs are quite the rich group.They love it there.
For ha-has I sent in a solicitation for a Visa app. I don’t need a credit card. Don’t care overly much on my credit score as I am paid off on mortgage, car, etc.
This was only last week and with the infamous WooHoo bank.
I got my card! 8.99% interest rate and a 30k line of credit (wtf?) Who wants to be in debt 30,000? Oh wait! Yes, I am not a debt-slave so they want to turn me to the dark side.
Got a cc application today, with the envelope saying “You need more credit.” I’m tempted to tell them that I need more credit about as much as I need a second a$$hole!
I wish Oly was here - two butts.
Oh, that’s a visual
Strange. I never use to get credit card offers. Had the same 3 for years. But I paid one off before Christmas, big-time chipping away and the 2nd will be paid off with my stimulus package (thanks Georgie), keeping the 3rd as I do travel (infrequently) and need one for car rentals, hotels, etc.
Anyway, I’m now getting calls, emails, letters, cashable checks (ripped up, thrown away) every week. Kinda like sharks circling the water or something.
I know a guy whose original anus went bad on him, so they made him a second “a”-hole. The joke among some who know him is that since he is on the whole not a very nice person, the new one is actually his third.
“He got $27,000 from the refi, paying off most of the credit card debt. But the monthly mortgage payments rose more than $600.”
Wait a minute. $600/mo x 12 = $7,200. $7,200 in additional interest payments on $27,000 in additional debt equals about a 26% interest rate.
What on earth did this guy agree to? Yet another case of an innumerate journalist failing to ask some obvious follow-up questions.
Let’s just say it included a cat-o-nine-tails and a red ball.
” ‘But what gets a house sold really is going to be based on price and price alone.’””
That’s what we have been saying for years!
Selling a house based on price…
“Brilliant!”
I love the bargains that recessions bring.
My wife and I enjoyed a store-closing sale yesterday at the local Wilson’s Leather (Arden Fair Mall in Sacramento). I picked up a nice leather lambskin jacket for $100 (originally $425) and my wife got a nice basic tan trench coat for $70 (originally $250).
So for under $200 we got $675 worth of merchandise–or at least that’s what it would have cost only a few weeks ago. I’m a little rusty on my macroeconomics, but don’t they call the drop in prices something that rhymes with immolation?
flatulation?
“Mike Scafiddi made a series of bad decisions that left him strapped for cash - and wondering how much longer he can keep paying the mortgage for the home he and his wife have owned for 22 years. He got $27,000 from the refi, paying off most of the credit card debt. But the monthly mortgage payments rose more than $600.”
“Sitting at the kitchen table where he signed for the loan, he said he doesn’t expect sympathy for his lapse in judgment. ‘People will say, ‘Screw you, you were an idiot,’ and for a minute, I was,’ he said.”
What I’d like to know is how he accrued 27K in CC debt. That’s just mindblowing stupidity. Believe me, he’s hardly the only one. I know a guy close to my age who’s single and has 40K in CC debt. Just unbelievable. What ever happened to the concept of paying your CC off at the end of the month?
I thought credit card debt was free money the bank gives you for being a good person.