March 23, 2008

Prices That Go Up Fast Can Fall Even Faster

The Kansas City Star reports from Missouri. “Real estate agent Cindy Tomasic was taken aback by her first foreclosure listing in tony Loch Lloyd. Then she got her second Loch Lloyd listing. And surprise turned to revelation about what is happening to the values of homes in some of the Kansas City area’s ritziest ZIP codes. ‘I was shocked — who in Loch Lloyd gets foreclosed on?’ asked Tomasic. ‘It’s not just one group of people, not just one income level — foreclosures are affecting everyone.’”

“A review by The Kansas City Star of real estate listings in Jackson, Johnson, Clay, Platte and Cass counties showed at least 50 homes priced $500,000 or more are in foreclosure or are subject to bank-approved sales to avoid one. Experts said the number of pricey distressed properties could be even higher because some people sell their homes before letting their banks know they can no longer make the payments.”

“‘You used to rarely see high-end foreclosures. Now they’re more common,’ said Tim Harrison, an Overland Park real estate investment analyst who helped the newspaper identify troubled high-end properties. ‘People are desperately trying to get rid of houses they can’t afford.’”

“As a result, real estate agents point to some bargain-basement prices on homes boasting 4,000 square feet or more.”

“Examples abound: A $1.5 million Blue Springs home with staircases to east and west wings, a dance floor and five garages listed for $1.05 million. A $1.4 million Independence home with two decks, a poolside wet bar, hot tub and waterfall offered for less than $1 million. A $1.3 million, 6,500-plus square-foot Hallbrook home with granite, marble and hardwood floors sold for $849,000. A $1.25 million Loch Lloyd home with a wine cellar and an imported English pub bar sold in foreclosure for $775,000.”

“A $1.1 million Mission Hills home in foreclosure is under contract for less than $450,000. Many of the homes are in newer subdivisions.”

“‘You saw a huge demand because anyone could get a loan unless they had really bad credit,’ said Curtis Koons, the director of assessment for Jackson County.”

“But prices that go up fast can fall even faster. Consider the history of a house on 64th Terrace off Meyer Circle in Kansas City. A California investor bought it for $450,000 in 2003, rehabbed it and listed it for sale at $890,000, property records show.For three years it sat unsold. Then suddenly the house was reported sold in 2006 for $1.23 million. Records showed the buyer took out loans totaling more than $1 million — or about 90 percent of the home’s value.”

“But the buyer never moved in, and the home has remained vacant. This past year, the home was listed in ‘pre-foreclosure.’ Now, its asking price is $850,000. Neighbor Dan Bowman shook his head and wondered aloud: ‘How can a house sit unsold at $890,000 for three years and then get bought for $1.25 million — then go into foreclosure? It doesn’t make sense.’”

“Don Wratchford ran a successful business customizing and reselling homes after living in them a few years. Then the bottom fell out. Wratchford said his latest 10,000-square-foot home in the Shoal Creek Valley subdivision ‘took a major hit in value.’ The house, which features a basketball court, was appraised about a year ago at $1.7 million. Now, it is listed for $1.1 million.”

“William Seitz bought a bank-owned home in Loch Lloyd for nearly half its previously listed value of more than $1 million. Seitz and his wife jumped at the deal before they even sold their Deer Creek home.”

“‘You hear a lot of doom and gloom,’ he said, ‘but there’s never been a better time to buy a house.’”

“Now, all he has to do is sell his Deer Creek residence. So far, he hasn’t had any takers — even after dropping the price $100,000 below the appraised value.”

The Journal & Courier from Indiana. Four years ago, while much of the country was riding a wave of rising home starts and home values, a few Tippecanoe County Realtors, lenders and others were worried. Despite a boom in new construction, Tippecanoe housing resale values were among the lowest in the country, and foreclosures were being filed with increasing rapidity. Now foreclosure woes and sluggish home sales have spread nationwide. Tippecanoe, however, far from moving beyond the crisis, remains a bit mired.”

“‘We got into this earlier, so I had hoped we’d get out of it earlier,’ said said Marie Morse, interim executive director of Lafayette Neighborhood Housing, of the foreclosure problem. ‘But so far, we’re not there.’”

“According to Tippecanoe County clerk records, the number of foreclosure filings has grown every year since 2002.”

“Richard Murray, VP of administration with Lafayette Community Bank, traces the foreclosure crisis back to 2002. From November 2002 to July 2004, he said, the Federal Reserve Bank left the prime interest rate virtually untouched. That created a ‘false housing market’ in which lenders fell over themselves extending credit to current and prospective homeowners.”

“‘People were put in houses with, basically, no money down. It created a lot of people who frankly weren’t prepared to absorb another $1 a gallon gas increase and higher prices for fuel oil and water rate increases,’ Murray said. ‘When faced with putting gas in your car and food on your table, you do that first rather than making your house payments.’”

“The drop in single-family home construction is not necessarily a bad thing, according to Alan White, co-owner of Kalan Homes LLC, a Lafayette-based homebuilder. ‘Part of our problem is we had so much new construction over a period of years — we just had too much inventory. It needed to correct itself,’ he said.”

“Morse said she doesn’t know how the housing slowdown will affect resale prices, but she does know how it has affected homeowners in the construction trades. ‘Not building houses is the reason some of these people are having foreclosure problems, because they’re unemployed,’ she said.”

The Plain Dealer from Ohio. “In the last two years, home prices have dropped across Northeast Ohio and have plunged by double-digit percentages in many communities, according to an analysis by The Plain Dealer. Cleveland Heights down 11 percent. Mayfield down 10 percent. Akron down 14. Painesville down 13. Even formerly hot areas like Independence and North Olmsted are down 4 percent from 2005 to 2007.”

“Poorer communities have fared the worst. Cleveland is down 49 percent, Lorain 34 percent and East Cleveland a shocking 84 percent.”

“‘Six to eight months ago, people were saying this was going to be a subprime-only issue,’ said Chicago banking analyst Jaime Peters. ‘Now, we’re seeing rapid deterioration.’”

“Peters, who is with the research firm Morningstar Inc., said how far housing values are going to drop is ‘the $400 billion question.’”

“‘People aren’t going to start to buy unless they feel like they’re getting a good deal and a home that’s not going to lose value,’ she said. ‘Banks aren’t going to lend until they feel like they’re going to get paid back. That’s not going to happen until the delinquencies start leveling off. The delinquencies aren’t going to start leveling off until people start buying some of these homes where the people are in trouble. Don’t you love that circular logic? It seems pretty dire.’”

“For everyone who thought housing prices would never decline — especially in Northeast Ohio — this loss of wealth has been jarring. ‘There was no bubble that burst in this state,’ said real estate agent Renee Vartorella in Sagamore Hills. ‘That’s what’s so frustrating.’”

“Christine and Mike Turrington of Garfield Heights have reason to be concerned about what they’re seeing in their community. They bought their 1,500-square-foot home in 1987 for $64,200. Homes in the neighborhood were selling a few years ago in the $130s and $140s.”

“Now the home across the street is in foreclosure. So is the house next door. A foreclosed house halfway down the block is listed for $55,000. One on the next block is $67,000. A house a few doors down that’s not a foreclosure is listed at $89,900. It was valued at $95,900 by the county in 2006.”

“So many homes around the Turringtons are vacant. So many homes are rented to people who don’t care about the properties, Christine said. ‘We don’t want to move, we love our house, but I don’t think we have a choice.’”

“Vartorella said home prices are also being pushed down by foreclosures and desperate sellers. While many of the foreclosures are priced ridiculously low because they’re in bad shape, she said, other homes are heavily discounted because owners want out.”

“One of her listings in Maple Heights along the Garfield Heights border is at $109,000. Within a one-block radius, there are 12 other homes for sale. Seven are listed at $35,000 or less. Four are in the $15,000 range. Only two others are $90,000 or higher. Her seller’s home was assessed by the county for tax purposes at $92,000 two years ago.”

“‘It’s very tough to compete with sellers who don’t care what the houses go for,’ Vartorella said.”

The Morning Sun from Michigan. “Construction is to begin later this spring in Mt. Pleasant on what developers hope will be the most desirable address in central Michigan: Riverplace on Broadway.”

“The project will consist of 22 luxury condominium units, plus first-floor parking. The second and third floors each will contain eight 2,000-square-foot units. The top floor will contain four 2,000-square-foot units along with a pair of 4,000-square-foot condominiums.”

“Moving into Riverplace on Broadway won’t be cheap. Saxton said the prices begin -in the low $350s” ($350,000) for the smaller units, up to about $750,000 for the double penthouse units. Greg Saxton, the project manager, said he’s confident that even though the real estate market may be soft, the units will find a market.”

“‘They are definitely luxurious and upscale,’ Saxton said.”

The Wisconsin State Journal. “Standards for home mortgages also are getting tougher in Wisconsin, especially for loans that banks pass on to national mortgage wholesalers.”

“‘The market has walked away from low credit scores, high loan-to-value and stated-asset-type loans,’ said Ron Steinhofer, president of the Wisconsin Mortgage Bankers Association.”

“Drive-by or quick appraisals sometimes used during the home sales boom a few years ago have disappeared. These kinds of appraisals, which represented about 5 percent of the local appraisal market, relied on assumptions that property values would continue to rise, said Nick Rahn of Dane County Appraisal of Madison.”

“‘I don ‘t think you can make those assumptions anymore,’ he said.”

“Gene DeYoung of DeYoung Appraisal Service in Madison said he hates drive-by or quick appraisals and is glad they’re gone. He said they sometimes were used to inflate home values to help people qualify for loans.”

“‘It was a total abuse,’ he said. ‘You will find that type of thing is quite often the reason for foreclosures.’”

The Pioneer Press from Minnesota. “In 1997, the Ramsey County sheriff’s department served 400 home-foreclosure notices. Last year, the half-dozen sheriff’s deputies who work in the office’s civil division delivered 2,352, about 75 percent of them in St. Paul.”

“The sheriff’s office served 632 notices from Jan. 1 through March 21 of this year, and officials believe they will exceed 3,000 by year’s end.”

“Their Hennepin County counterparts are, comparatively speaking, off the charts — 5,563 notices delivered last year and 1,251 in just the first two months of this year.”

“‘It used to be a few properties scattered about the city,’ says Ramsey County sheriff’s deputy Jeff Hallanger. ‘But now this is normal.’”

“Metro Legal Services, a major Twin Cities-based private process-server firm, handles 1,200 foreclosure notices monthly in the 10-county metro area, according to Scott Gray, the firm’s vice president.”

“‘We did maybe 50 to 100 a month in 2004,’ said Gray, who added that foreclosures now rank as the second-most-delivered legal paper handled by his firm. They ranked at the bottom a few years ago. No. 1? Serving credit card debt lawsuits, which the firm delivers at a mind-blowing clip of 200 a day.”

“‘Many times we deliver both (credit card and foreclosure notices) to the same place,’ Gray said.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-03-23 07:56:55

FYI, because of the server downtime this morning, I may not have time to do the reader topic post I was planning. If not, I’ll post it next weekend.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-03-23 08:05:57

Yet another sighting of the fabled Loch Lloyd foreclosure monster…

“Real estate agent Cindy Tomasic was taken aback by her first foreclosure listing in tony Loch Lloyd. Then she got her second Loch Lloyd listing. And surprise turned to revelation about what is happening to the values of homes in some of the Kansas City area’s ritziest ZIP codes. ‘I was shocked — who in Loch Lloyd gets foreclosed on?’ asked Tomasic. ‘It’s not just one group of people, not just one income level — foreclosures are affecting everyone.’”

Comment by Tim
2008-03-23 08:29:47

While I dont dispute the downturn impacts all price brackets, it’s interesting that she referred to income level and then used sales price as the example. She seems to have failed to understand the decoupling of incomes and home prices is what got us into this mess in a world of no money down, no credit check loans. Also she used the number 500k. In many of the markets I follow, they referred to that as a “starter home” price, although we all know that didnt make much sense.

 
 
Comment by rudekarl
2008-03-23 08:08:35

“Neighbor Dan Bowman shook his head and wondered aloud: “How can a house sit unsold at $890,000 for three years and then get bought for $1.25 million — then go into foreclosure? It doesn’t make sense.”

This genius lives in a million dollar neighborhood and wonders aloud how this could happen? Wake up moron and smell the fraud brewing around you.

And then this gem - “‘You hear a lot of doom and gloom,’ he said, ‘but there’s never been a better time to buy a house.’”

“Now, all he has to do is sell his Deer Creek residence. So far, he hasn’t had any takers — even after dropping the price $100,000 below the appraised value.”

You can’t make this stuff up - the KoolAid is flowing non-stop coast to coast and everywhere in between.

Comment by reuven
2008-03-23 08:29:47

In cases like this, it 100% obvious that fraud has been committed! At least they Government should start with an IRS investigation, where you generally have to prove you’re innocent.

 
Comment by Neil
2008-03-23 08:30:12

I love that bit…

Never a better time to take his white elephant off his hands. ;)

This is almost a national version of Florida 1925. Everyone buys into real estate thinking a rich sucker will take it off their hands. Why the almost? Not all areas have multi-year inventories. Sadly, it does seem like the majority though…

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
Comment by Patch Tuesday
2008-03-23 10:12:37

Sadly, “cash back fraud” is not in most people’s vocabulary yet…

Comment by Michael Emmel
2008-03-23 11:39:28

I’m seeing a lot of this still in my area. Houses going for insane prices. I think the difference now for the fraud is they have to put in the 5-10% to get the kick back style scam. So its still going on but the fraudsters are having to put a little cash in to get the transaction.

Comment by Michael Emmel
2008-03-23 11:42:19

To add one thing I’ve noted that this is also in areas where HELOCS have not been canceled so I think the cash is coming from the sellers HELOC. They are giving the money to the straw buyer to buy at the inflated price then getting the kickback. So the party is not over yet.

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Comment by sfbayqt
2008-03-23 11:54:28

“….his is also in areas where HELOCS have not been canceled so I think the cash is coming from the sellers HELOC.”

This is a good point. The HELOC cancelling hasn’t picked up momentum yet. But when it does….

And regarding the leading story: another example of the misleading notion of debt=wealth. Just because these folks live in a “ritzy” or “tony” area, it doesn’t mean that they are not struggling or are immune to idiotic financial behavior. I’m all for dropping word subprime from the “subprime mortgage crisis”. The industry and MSM need to call it what it is….a credit crisis of monumental proportions.

BayQT~

 
 
Comment by Patch Tuesday
2008-03-23 16:38:11

Some of the ones I have seen involve finding houses that will appraise for far more than the sales price. What they do is pay the list price and then HELOC the home up to its appraised value, never make a payment, and let it go to foreclosure. They can easily net 100-200k doing this nowadays.

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Comment by SDGreg
2008-03-23 08:25:10

“A review by The Kansas City Star of real estate listings in Jackson, Johnson, Clay, Platte and Cass counties showed at least 50 homes priced $500,000 or more are in foreclosure or are subject to bank-approved sales to avoid one. Experts said the number of pricey distressed properties could be even higher because some people sell their homes before letting their banks know they can no longer make the payments.”

This is yet another example that the housing bubble was national and affected all types and prices levels of housing and was not dependent on the type of financing. This will unwind everywhere, but how it does so and the timing will vary by location.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-03-23 08:40:17

How did I ever live without a waterfall?

Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-03-23 09:46:09

Especially in Arizona (though Flag gets a bit more moisture).

Speaking of tony neighborhoods, am now seeing several foreclosures in Aspen, one over 6 mil.

Comment by bicoastal
2008-03-23 11:40:26

Aspen? Really?! I knew it had to happen eventually (though everyone I know who has a house there said it would not, could not possibly). The last time I was there, I rented a tiny (500SF) rehabbed worker’s cabin on Main St. It was lovely… and for sale for $800K.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-03-23 12:46:42

How did I ever live without a waterfall?

Those condo-dwelling, downtown “urban pioneers” are doubtlessly thinking the same thing, as winos urinate from their rooftops.

 
 
Comment by Patch Tuesday
2008-03-23 10:09:06

How many articles were written in the past two years with REIC quotes of “here in Kansas, we never had the bubble they had on the coasts. In fact homes are a great buy here because of this!”

 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2008-03-23 08:27:10

A Wiscosnin Realtor’s Death - Be careful out there!

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1235044/

snip -

According to the complaint, Hole told a Jefferson County Sheriff’s Deputy that he strangled the Re/Max agent with her scarf and hit her in the head after they discussed the price of the house and she questioned his intention to buy it. (cont’d)

So sad,
Leigh

Comment by reuven
2008-03-23 08:32:27

How awful! But this won’t be the last frustrated seller-turned-murderer!

Comment by bicoastal
2008-03-23 11:45:09

Schadenfreude not allowed (though it is tempting). This guy was a convicted sexual predator. If he hadn’t killed the real estate agent, he would have killed some other woman.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-03-23 12:53:25

Female realtors are highly vulnerable to be preyed on by the criminal element. Because of the risk of discrimination lawsuits, they pretty much have to show houses to anyone who demands it, even if the “clients” give them the heebies.

Anyone who takes satisfaction in violence against realtors, for whatever reason, is a truly sick and depraved individual.

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Comment by ghostwriter
2008-03-23 16:01:35

Realtors do not have to show houses to anyone that gives them a bad feeling. They have even taught classes on that. Realtors are also told if they go to show a house to someone they don’t know, to park on the street and not the driveway. They’re also told if they’re not comfortable when they meet the people they do not have to show the house or if it’s vacant they can let the client go thru alone. These rules came into play when a couple realtors were murdered out west. When I sold real estate, the last five years or so I only worked with clients that were referred to me by someone I knew. I also made sure they personally knew their referral. For years I never did open houses either. For one thing, the people that come thru are bored on Sunday, a nosy neighbor, or casing the joint. I never recommended open houses to my clients and pointed out the actual dangers of them. Both to the realtor and to the seller. Anyone truly interested in seeing and buying a particular house will make an appointment. You are putting your life and your possessions at stake anytime you have an open house.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-03-23 18:11:52

Thanks for your comments, ghostwriter. Too many realtors are still being attacked while showing houses. It seems that for liability purposes alone, they might have to do criminal background checks on certain clients before consenting to show them properties.

 
 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-03-23 11:51:35

Joan Rudman, Palm Desert agent, long time partnership with Rotherman. Joan found dead up HWY 74 in February. Suspicious.

 
 
Comment by Neil
2008-03-23 08:39:17

This is sad.

I don’t want anything to happen to the Realtors physically. I want them to live a long time and see the economic destruction they have wrought; to see the value of math skills and education too. ;)

I did read that article in detail… it was a horrid death. My condolences to the Realtor’s ™ family and friends.

Neil

Comment by reuven
2008-03-23 09:32:43

They will never see it! I’ve never met a residential R-E “realtor” who I thought was intelligent. Most are like “Carmella Soprano”, bored housewives looking for something to legitimize them.

Comment by robmypro
2008-03-23 10:16:29

Welcome to America.

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Comment by Tim
2008-03-23 08:39:49

Unfortunately, I do not think she was his realtor, and it was just a set up. I read the story looking for something else because I too have been questioned about my intention to buy and have been threatened to be fired by realtors. During the boom, on more than one occassion, realtors told me “I have taken you to over 15 homes and you havent made a single offer if you dont make an offer soon I cannot show you any more houses because my time is very valuable, most ppl make an offer after looking at only 10 or less.” I never used them again after such a statement, but the greed and laziness in the profession is astounding. I was looking at homes at which their commission would be around $20k and they were pissed I didnt make a decision after working with me for two freaking days. I hope they are unemployed.

 
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2008-03-23 09:00:14

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Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-03-23 09:52:57

Free plastic surgery (credit cards) - LOL

 
 
Comment by Titan
2008-03-23 09:09:42

Sad story, but I do find it kind of funny that the guy was named James *A. Hole*

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-23 10:27:22

Add that story to the list of reasons for Realtors to tell the world, “Real estate always goes up.”

 
 
Comment by reuven
2008-03-23 08:27:31

“‘It’s very tough to compete with sellers who don’t care what the houses go for,’ Vartorella said.”

This is a terrible quote to put in the morning post as we’re all eating our wheaties! It made me do a spit-take all over my laptop.

Comment by Giacomo
2008-03-23 08:35:30

She’s got the most expensive listing in the neighborhood — still looking for a PROFIT on a house bought at the peak — and she’s complaining that her competition is being unreasonable?!

Comment by Neil
2008-03-23 08:42:20

lol

Owww! I must stop drinking hot coffee or eating while reading this blog. Just wait for the quotes at the end of 2008… that’s going to be a totally different market.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Bloz
2008-03-23 10:56:10

Woo-hoo I was just looking through listings on Trulia for Folsom, CA.
Same model of house in same development is listed for 20K less than I sold for in July 2003. It really does look like prices are headed to 2001 levels (in 2010 dollars).

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Comment by Michael Emmel
2008-03-23 11:46:05

Yeah I’ve seen a few under 2003 prices once they drop under that the next support price is 1999 values.

 
Comment by Michael Emmel
2008-03-23 11:48:24

Yeah I’ve seen a few under 2003 prices once they drop under that the next support price is 1999 values. Realize this means basically 10 years of RE transactions under water plus all the HELOC’s which are probably about the same. So we may see almost 20 years of gains on RE transactions wiped out before this is over and this is in absolute prices if you adjust for inflation its probably closer to 30. So most of the baby boomers are screwed.

 
 
 
Comment by GH
2008-03-23 08:50:50

Reminds me of Trading Places at the end … “Turn the machines back on .. Turn the machines back on.

 
 
Comment by Tim
2008-03-23 08:48:50

What I found more laughable was that the reference was to the listing prices rather than sold prices. Clearly, they are still above fair market value for the area. It’s not like they are giving them away.

 
 
Comment by Blano
2008-03-23 09:43:23

“Construction is to begin later this spring in Mt. Pleasant on what developers hope will be the most desirable address in central Michigan: Riverplace on Broadway.”

“Moving into Riverplace on Broadway won’t be cheap. Saxton said the prices begin -in the low $350s” ($350,000) for the smaller units, up to about $750,000 for the double penthouse units. Greg Saxton, the project manager, said he’s confident that even though the real estate market may be soft, the units will find a market.”

“‘They are definitely luxurious and upscale,’ Saxton said.”

Omigod……….HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! I laughed myself silly earlier this week about condos in downtown East Lansing…now luxury condos in….Mt. Pleasant???????? I’m speechless.

Being the party school Central Michigan can be, buyers can anticipate plenty of drunken college kids peeing all over the place to be part of the ambiance. That itself I’m sure is worth at least 350K.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-03-23 09:56:28

It is so funny, condo developers throughout the Upper Midwest justify these luxury projects based on their belief that everyone wants to move to, or stay in, their town. On the flip side, Chicago’s condo developers think that everyone from the Upper Midwest will move here for work and/or “culture”.

Those are Chicago prices they are looking to charge. And from what I’ve seen - those prices are a complete rip off - even here. The pictures of the interiors and outside views of some of these condos going for $300k - $500k in Chicago are unbelievable. Narrow rooms, terrible views, predictable decor - there is going to be so much condo carnage.

 
 
Comment by teufelhunden
2008-03-23 10:05:58

It’s sad. In north KC there’s tons of ruined farm land where insane developers came in, made their “improvements” and now don’t have a chance in heck of actually building on the mess they’ve created. And the sad thing is that the land is now unusable for ag.

Maybe it’s just me but my rage always builds when I look out over an area that used to be beautiful pasture, orchards, or famland just a few years ago and now I see waves and waves of identical cookie-cutter houses jammed so close together I’m suprised the “owners” can ever breath. But maybe it’s just me.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-03-23 10:14:46

Click your heels twice, and it will look like it used to…

Comment by teufelhunden
2008-03-23 10:19:02

Maybe that works in Kansas, but I’m in Missouri…

Comment by aladinsane
2008-03-23 10:22:06

Kansas-adjacent

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Comment by teufelhunden
2008-03-23 10:25:13

Hey now - them’s fightin’ words!

 
 
 
 
Comment by teufelhunden
2008-03-23 10:16:28

breath=breathe

And of course now every hick with an acre thinks he should be able to retire for life off of the proceeds of the sale of his land. Some of the asking prices are truely rediculous. I keep hearing “it’s different here” (it is a nice area, but where have I heard that phrase before?), but I’m holding out for about 15% of todays asking price. Hopefully it won’t take too many years for land prices to return to what a normal native can afford.

Comment by ella
2008-03-23 17:03:57

I am waiting impatiently for the first documentary to come out about the housing bubble. When it comes out, I hope there will be a montage of people saying “it’s different here”, in all different places (maybe with a little “rich people are going to retire here” and “rich foreigners want to own property here” for spice). Actually, if that was the whole movie, I would go see it. It could easily be a 2 hour montage.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-03-23 10:20:40

Things like that are maddening. However, thanks to the bubble bursting, there will be other similar or worse projects that will not go forward. What pattern of development that may return in several years remains to be seen. It could be quite different.

 
Comment by SV guy
2008-03-23 10:57:55

It’s not just you.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-03-23 11:08:31

we like to blame lenders, wall street, developers and stoopid FBs .. but 90% of this can be blamed on local politicians who habitually rubber-stamped anything remotely offering tax-revenue growth, imho.

 
Comment by bicoastal
2008-03-23 11:50:50

There was an interesting note in the Times this morning about bulldozing unneeded suburban housing developments and turning them back into farmland. Here it is:

http://tinyurl.com/2plf6a

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-03-23 12:58:10

Maybe it’s just me but my rage always builds when I look out over an area that used to be beautiful pasture, orchards, or famland just a few years ago and now I see waves and waves of identical cookie-cutter houses jammed so close together I’m suprised the “owners” can ever breath. But maybe it’s just me.

It’s not just you, believe me. Having lived in Germany and the UK, where they value nature and tightly control development - there is no “suburban sprawl” - the soulless, uncontrolled tract-housing “planned communities” are an abomination. I’m glad I grew up in a time where there were still gullies and canyons to explore and play in.

 
Comment by flint 'burbs
2008-03-23 15:21:58

That is why hay is so expensive lately. All the best producing hay fields that were near the suburban customers have been prepared for building huge multiple roofed mansions. I see an auction for the model house will be held in April on this formerly beautiful hayfield I used to pass.
I’m investing in a hay-baling group here. From what I recall, the Queen’s horses were fed Michigan hay. Much better quality than the southern grasses. Prices at the stockyards are two to three times what it used to cost. Even people who raise their own meat need to purchase the feed.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-03-23 18:06:29

I read that there’s been a huge increase in E-coli cases due to cattle being fed corn-based by-products of ethanol production. Farmers are giving them this crap because its cheap, just like they “saved money” (and caused Mad Cow Disease) by giving them feed made in part from the byproducts of dead animals, including other cattle. God and nature don’t take kindly to such practices.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-03-23 18:09:02

http://www.ecolilawyer.com/e-coli-prevention/2007-marked-a-drastic-increase.php

Feeding livestock ethanol by-products causing dramatic increase in e-coli.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-03-23 10:08:18

Tippecanoe and the rest of the country, too.

“According to Tippecanoe County clerk records, the number of foreclosure filings has grown every year since 2002.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-23 10:36:00

Does this phobia have a clinical name?

The fear of falling housing prices
By Alex Tabarrok
March 23, 2008

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-23 10:39:37

Evidence the mania (or at least the denial stage of the housing bubble stages of grief) still has legs: It’s still different on the coasts.

One thing that is sure to continue even after the bubble has fully deflated: An excess supply of hot air from economists.

“Still, especially in coastal areas where zoning regulations have restricted the supply of land that developers can build on, housing prices were driven up by increasing population, low interest rates and strong economic growth.

More and more people want to live on the coasts, but land is hard to come by in places such as Manhattan and San Francisco. Cities and regions built on ideas – Boston, Los Angeles, New York and the San Francisco Bay Area – have grown even as areas built on manufacturing – Detroit and the Rust Belt – have declined. And of course, government isn’t getting any smaller, so Washington and its suburbs, another hot spot of rising house prices during the boom, will continue to grow.”

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-03-23 10:42:55

Heliophobia — fear of sunlight.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-03-23 10:48:31

or…

comphobia

Comment by desertdweller
2008-03-23 11:59:54
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Comment by Sarah
2008-03-23 10:57:57

Trick question Dr. Phobias imply that the subject fear is irrational. The knowledge that home prices will continue to fall = common sense.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-03-23 11:22:11

How do you say “fear of New Era theories” in Greek?

 
 
 
Comment by Tim
2008-03-23 10:52:31

Is that guy really a professor of Economics? How can anyone take that school anymore? He stated some inaccurate observations and then concluded - “The United States has some of the most valuable real estate in the world. Markets should not forget that.” No hard statistical data. No analysis of such data, coupled with future projections based on changing variables. No evidence to support his theories. No thought. If I was a current or former student of George Mason I would ask for my money back. I amazed by how many economists just make it up and think that’s somehow acceptable.

Comment by Tim
2008-03-23 11:00:16

Referring to the article posted immediately above.

 
 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2008-03-23 10:53:08

“‘Many times we deliver both (credit card and foreclosure notices) to the same place,’”

Need to add student loans to that list!

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-03-23 10:55:55

“William Seitz bought a bank-owned home in Loch Lloyd for nearly half its previously listed value of more than $1 million. Seitz and his wife jumped at the deal before they even sold their Deer Creek home.‘You hear a lot of doom and gloom,’ he said, ‘but there’s never been a better time to buy a house.’”
“Now, all he has to do is sell his Deer Creek residence. So far, he hasn’t had any takers — even after dropping the price $100,000 below the appraised value.”

HAHAHAHAHA! Oh, goshamighty, *gasp* HAHAHAHAHA! *breathe, gal, breathe!*
Oh, what a merry way to start a rainy Sunday. You know, maybe it’s the short attention span, but I just am not getting tired of these numerous stories of comical idjits. ‘Now all he has to do…” HAHAHAHA.

Comment by bubbleglum
2008-03-23 11:08:04

Now all he has to do is get off the Titanic by jumping into the water.

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-03-23 11:23:24

Right! Because everyone else is doing it.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-03-23 11:21:03

“Metro Legal Services, a major Twin Cities-based private process-server firm, handles 1,200 foreclosure notices monthly in the 10-county metro area, according to Scott Gray, the firm’s vice president.”

“‘We did maybe 50 to 100 a month in 2004,’ said Gray, who added that foreclosures now rank as the second-most-delivered legal paper handled by his firm. They ranked at the bottom a few years ago. No. 1? Serving credit card debt lawsuits, which the firm delivers at a mind-blowing clip of 200 a day.”

“‘Many times we deliver both (credit card and foreclosure notices) to the same place,’ Gray said.”

America is just one big economic facade, a vast Potemkin Village…

 
Comment by Mr_Dave_O
2008-03-23 17:02:01

“‘You hear a lot of doom and gloom,’ he said, ‘but there’s never been a better time to buy a house.’”

So it wasn’t as good of a time to buy a house in, say, 2000 when houses were less than half the cost they are now even though incomes were only slightly less than they are now?

 
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