The Decline Continues To Be Nationwide
Some housing bubble news from Wall Street and Washington. Reuters, “Prices of existing single-family homes slumped for the 18th month in a row in January, for a record annual drop, according to Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller home price index released on Tuesday. The composite month-over-month index of 20 metropolitan areas fell 2.4 percent to 180.65 from December, bringing the measure down 10.7 percent from a year earlier and 12.5 percent from its July 2006 peak.”
“‘Unfortunately, house prices continue to decline and the decline continues to be really nationwide,’ said David Blitzer, who chairs S&P’s index committee.”
“‘The weakness is not contained to the bubble areas,’ said Michelle Meyer, an economist at investment bank Lehman Brothers in New York. ‘It has spread to the rest of the nation.’”
“House price depreciation accelerated in February, according to FBR analyst Michael Youngblood, citing data from data provider LoanPerformance.”
From MarketWatch. “Home prices in 10 of the 20 cities have fallen at double-digit rates in the past year. ‘No markets seem to be completely immune from the housing crisis,’ said Blitzer.”
“For the past year, the biggest price declines have been in Miami and Las Vegas, both down 19.3%. Two cities that had continued to see price increases last year — Seattle and Portland, Ore. — turned negative in January.”
“Two large banks — Industrial & Commercial Bank of China and Bank of China — posted higher fourth-quarter profits on Tuesday, but the state lenders were hurt by holdings in subprime-related securities in the United States.”
“Bank of China, hardest-hit among the country’s big banks by subprime exposure, said it held $5 billion in asset-backed securities at the end of 2007, or 2.13 percent of its investment securities, and booked $1.58 billion in provisions and markdowns on the holdings.”
“Industrial & Commercial Bank said it held subprime-backed securities worth $1.23 billion at the end of December 2007 and booked $400 million as an allowance for potential losses on that portfolio.”
From Bloomberg. “Bank of China’s market value has dropped by $83 billion since it announced $7.95 billion of subprime-related holdings on Oct. 30, making it Asia’s biggest casualty of the U.S. mortgage market collapse.”
The Globe & Mail. “When you add it all up, the commercial paper in Canada’s frozen $32-billion market has lost more than 40 per cent of its face value because of market conditions, according to RBC Dominion Securities analyst André-Philippe Hardy. Hardy based his estimate on court documents that were recently made public.”
“He believes that a further $3-billion portion of the market that’s tied to U.S. subprime is probably worth about 20 per cent.”
The San Francisco Chronicle. “In one of the more spectacular meltdowns in mutual fund history, Schwab YieldPlus - marketed as a higher-yielding alternative to money market funds - has plummeted to just $2.5 billion in assets from more than $13 billion in May.”
“The shrinkage reflects both a decline in the fund’s asset value and a mass exodus by investors. Schwab YieldPlus is not the first but is by far the largest ultra-short-term bond fund to run into trouble as a result of its exposure to subprime and other mortgage-backed securities. As of December, it had about 46 percent of its assets in mortgage-backed securities.”
“Marc Itzkowitz, a software product manager in Palo Alto, invested more than $100,000 in the fund, starting in summer 2005, to put toward a down payment on a house.”
“‘My forecast was, toward the end of the decade there would be a fall in real estate. I’m a renter. I wanted to park money in something that would be safe so when prices declined, I’d have my payment preserved,’ he says.”
“Itzkowitz really started worrying about the fund in February, but didn’t sell until last week, when his adviser told him to get out. Itzkowitz lost 17 percent, or about $23,000, enough to impact his home-buying plans.”
“He takes part of the blame himself. ‘It’s my bad. You should never believe you can get higher yields without any risk,’ he says.”
The Wall Street Journal. “Foreclosures are occurring at the highest rate in decades — and as a result, lenders are acquiring homes faster than they can sell them off. Last year, sales of foreclosed homes rose just 4.4%, while the supply more than doubled, according to First American CoreLogic.”
“On Lagrange Street in the city of Worcester in Massachusetts, two brick apartment buildings stand side-by-side in varying stages of decay — boarded up, ‘No Trespassing’ signs affixed, paint peeling.”
“Across the street, a condominium complex is on the brink. Three of its eight apartments are in foreclosure.”
“Like many cities in the United States where the home vacancy rate has scaled its highest since records began in 1956, the former textile mill city of Worcester in Massachusetts is turning to the courts to fight back.”
“In western New York, the city of Buffalo filed a lawsuit on February 21 against 36 lenders — including big names like JPMorgan Chase & Co Inc and Countrywide Financial Corp — who were involved in 57 foreclosures that led to properties being abandoned and ultimately demolished by authorities.”
“Alisa Lukasiewicz, who runs the city’s law department, said Buffalo drew inspiration from similar lawsuits in Cleveland and Baltimore. ‘These properties are in a state of legal limbo,’ she said. ‘Banks walk away. The homeowners are gone, and the property is still there.’”
“In some cases, mortgage companies threaten foreclosure if borrowers fall behind in loan payments but never go through with it, leaving the borrower technically the property’s owner and complicating efforts to revive an abandoned home.”
“‘Another big problem we have had is this new wave of lending,’ said Cindy Cooper, a Buffalo city prosecutor who specializes in housing. ‘It’s difficult to work out who holds the note, who is in control of a property. These mortgages have been packaged into portfolios and sold on Wall Street.’”
“‘Because of the foreclosure crisis we are seeing this incredible glut of inexpensive distressed houses being sold at pennies on the dollar,’ Cleveland city councilman Tony Brancatelli said in a telephone interview.”
“‘The mortgage companies don’t want to hold onto them so they are dumping them on the Internet at a rapid rate. People are buying them 15 to a 100 at a time,’ he added.”
The Boston Globe. “While Hillary Clinton and others are offering government help for homeowners facing foreclosure, John McCain is more about tough love.”
“The presumptive Republican nominee, in a speech today in Santa Ana, Calif., blames the housing and credit crisis on a ‘bubble’ created by lenders who lowered their standards, Americans who bought homes they couldn’t afford, and financial players who invested in complex securities that were not transparent.”
“‘I have always been committed to the principle that it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers,’ he said.”
“In our effort to help deserving homeowners, no assistance should be given to speculators,’ McCain continued. ‘Any assistance for borrowers should be focused solely on homeowners, not people who bought houses for speculative purposes, to rent or as second homes. Any assistance must be temporary and must not reward people who were irresponsible at the expense of those who weren’t.’”
“He then called for homeowners to be required to put down payments on homes, for lenders to raise standards, and for all those involved to move to more transparency.”
“‘They’ve been asking the government to help them out,’ McCain said of lenders. ‘I’m now calling upon them to help their customers, and their nation, out.’”
“‘I will not play election-year politics with the housing crisis,’ he said.”
“McCain said lenders became complacent as housing prices continued to rise, lowering their standards and lending money to people who couldn’t pay it back. Some consumers, he said, bought homes they couldn’t afford, betting they would reap the benefits later of higher home prices.”
“Meanwhile, he said, the housing market lacked accountability and transparency, and ‘the initial losses spawned a crisis of confidence in the markets.’”
The Baltimore Sun. “Baltimore and the five surrounding counties saw an even steeper falloff in sales from a year earlier, down 33 percent. Prices are higher here than in the nation as a whole, and haven’t been dropping as fast.”
“Lawrence Yun, chief economist for the National Association of Realtors, suspects that some local buyers ‘are just waiting it out to see how much prices decline’ while others are holding off because they can’t afford to buy.”
“‘A price drop would help that picture,’ Yun said.”
The Review Journal. “Billy O’Keefe recognizes that real estate agents rank among the least-respected professionals on the planet.”
“For one thing, the barrier to entry is low. Because it’s relatively easy to get a license, you have the ’stripper/Realtor’ and ‘plumber/Realtor,’ said O’Keefe, who recently opened O’Keefe Casto Residential Brokerage in Las Vegas.”
“Realtors get paid the same commission when they close a transaction no matter how good or how bad they were at the job, he added. O’Keefe is operating under a different business model at his brokerage, one that holds agents accountable for their competency and guarantees money-back customer satisfaction.”
“‘Our guarantee states that if you’re not happy and don’t think we earned our money at closing, we will not charge you,’ O’Keefe said. ‘It’s risky. We’ve got brokers who think we’re out of our minds.’”
“O’Keefe Casto is recruiting real estate agents at a time when other brokerages have laid off staff or closed the doors. Their office was formerly occupied by Century 21 MoneyWorld. Mike West, president of Century 21 MoneyWorld, said he’s had to shut down two of his four offices and reduce staff to 250 from a peak of 357 agents.”
“‘Us and every other company,’ he said. ‘Liberty (Realty) closed three out of their four offices. You’ve got some in bankruptcy. Several ReMax offices have closed or merged.’”
From Marketplace. “Realtor Martha Ann Wishnev hasn’t cut many deals since home sales dropped nationwide. Rachel Dornhelm reports. Dornhelm: ‘Martha Ann Wishnev has been a realtor for 30 years. She works in Contra Costa County, near San Francisco.’”
“Martha Ann Wishnev: ‘I ordinarily sell about $7.5 million worth of real estate a year. And here it is, it’s the beginning of February. I haven’t had a sale yet.’”
“In fact, she hasn’t been involved in a transaction since October. Around the nation, realtors like Wishnev have seen sales drop 22 percent over the last year. Wishnev says she’s busy sending out documents, talking to homeowners associations and potential clients. She says the fact she hasn’t sold anything is taking a psychological toll.”
“Wishnev: ‘In real estate, you don’t get a penny until you close the escrow. So you spend a lot of money on advertising, a lot of money taking people around and you have to remind yourself that you personally are not a failure, that the real estate market is the problem.’”
“Wishnev is lucky. Her husband has a steady salary. But, she says, others must be in agony. She’s noticed the energy level drop at her office and empty desks.”
“Wishnev: ‘What happens is when someone decides to really pack it in, they just disappear. Where did he go? Well, he’s gone. What happened? I don’t know. It’s odd.’”

“‘Our guarantee states that if you’re not happy and don’t think we earned our money at closing, we will not charge you,’ O’Keefe said. ‘It’s risky. We’ve got brokers who think we’re out of our minds.’”
It’s a gamble that might pay off. Too bad cfc didn’t take this approach.
Assuming the firm is still solvent. Guarantees mean nothing unless the counterparty stays solvent.
However, I do agree. The gamble could pay off.
“The Decline Continues To Be Nationwide”
And the NAR claims there is no nationwide bubble. Hmmm, I wonder who is telling the truth and based on the NAR’s lack of credibility, I suspect it may be them.
Just got the Maine stats: sales are down 20 percent YOY but prices have only fallen 2 percent.
I’d wager VT is in the same boat. Tons of inventory building but everybody is holding out for happy days.
RE: I’d wager VT is in the same boat. Tons of inventory building but everybody is holding out for happy days.
Spent an extended weekend in Burlington and got to peruse multiple sources of real estate sales info.
I drove from Burlington to Montreal; then to Stowe, back to Burlington; and on to White River Junction via Rt. 100/4.
Didn’t see an inordinate number of For Sale signs.
An article in the BFP reported that the out of state retirees and second home NIMBY’s have pretty much set into place severe growth restrictions in about 50 major towns.
Clearly it’s the result of the “I’ve got mine-the rest of the world can get fooked” thinking. None of the new transplants wants to deal with all the urban garbage from the fouled nests left behind.
These anti-growth/development will clearly keep values up and drive younger locals, who are not from landed parents, out. Also good for keeping all the special ed expenses out of muni school budgets.
But worn out junkers in Waterbury with $7.00 per hour jobs @ $249k? You gotta be on drugs.
Remember, All Real Estate is Local
Don’t worry… in about 5 years or so, when real estate prices cross that flatline (and probably continue to head downwards during the Super Recession), the NAR will be correct - there will be no Bubble then at that time.
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“The Decline Continues To Be Nationwide”
And it began in August 2007 with the full-blown credit crisis, which no longer could be denied. Of course, the naysayers were warning about it for years, but they were ridiculed.
Jas
“Martha Ann Wishnev: ‘I ordinarily sell about $7.5 million worth of real estate a year. And here it is, it’s the beginning of February. I haven’t had a sale yet.’”
By this time, if she had taken that job @ Burger King like other Realtors…
Sales would be in tens of thousands.
I was hollering at the radio when that story was playing.
With Contra Costa medians around 600K, she ‘normally’ sold a house a month. And at her 3% commish, made 250K a year. That must be a real bitch…a 1/4 Mill a year, nice clothes, and a great car. Then like Kaiser Choshay - poof! it’s gone.
Poor. poor, poor baby.
Actually, she probably made half that. Typically realtors share their 3% with the brokerage for which they work. Depending on her expertise, she may have negotiated more than 1.5%, but the typical take for a realtor out of the 6% commission is 1.5%.
Still not bad, though for her at $112,500.
IMO, Redfin can’t put all these asshats outta business soon enough.
If she was getting 3% of the $7.5M that would be $225K annually, now that should introduce her to a new standard of living.
“‘Unfortunately, house prices continue to decline and the decline continues to be really nationwide,’ said David Blitzer, who chairs S&P’s index committee.”
Oh, deer
Oh, deer
More like the reaction of deer in a cars headlights!
This is great news for:
1st time buyers
People looking to move up in the market
Renters
Property taxes
Anybody dependent upon sales volume for their living (realtors, appraisors, brokers, etc.)
Why are inflated property prices always assumed to be the desired state?
“Why are inflated property prices always assumed to be the desired state?”
Because the completely screwed U.S. economy is dependent on rising asset prices to hide the myriad of bubble-induced ponzi schemes writhing under its surface like a fatal riptide at the beach?
Bingo!
Also, we don’t produce ENOUGH (I didn’t say anything), nor keep jobs here to warrant any other economy, but one of consumerism and ponzi schemes.
Look, day trading, athletes, poker playas, debt junkies, ponzi schemes, asset bubbles…you name it, you get it here because of the lack of sizeable quality production or invention. Sorry, but Google email is not going to to save the world. Nor is the iPhone!
Economics, like nature, abhors a vacuum. With the decline of production and real blue collar jobs you get the above plus a ginormous goobermint employment at all levels.
Welcome to the 21st century, ‘ahMareiKah!
What Dan Da Man said!!!
You rock! Sports stars, movie stars, day trading, ponzi schemes (can you say scAmway?)…What’s good is gold. And although I hate (did I say hate?) McCain, I am cheered that he pledges NO BAILOUTS to those caught in the housing bubble.
I buy gold.
“‘I have always been committed to the principle that it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers,’ he said.”
I never thought I’d vote Republican but I may have to rethink this.
Talk is cheap in general. From the mouth of a politician? Worthless.
But lame duck Bush can’t even bring himself to say this.
Hah! Lame duck Bush can barely string together more than ten words into a coherent sentence! Is he on the sauce or has he had a bunch of mini strokes?
At least he isn’t promising a free house for every FB like Osama practically is.
It does make you curious, when you can actually understand what he said. I’d like to see him make an impassioned plea to his fellow Congress peoples along these lines….
The proof is going to be in the pudding to say the least. Let’s see if he carries thru with this. I have had a lot of doubts about McCain, but I won’t have to hold my nose when I vote for him this coming November.
My previous post was eaten
Anyways, I am starting to get surprise by McCain here, and the “proof is going to be in the pudding”. Now let’s see him back these words with actions.
No bail-out. If he follows thru, I will make sure that everyone in my family understands what this means.
Yeah, he was going to cast out the lobbyists too. And turns out he is one of the biggest players of them all. Say what happened to the story of his cute lobbyist buddy? That one disappeared quick like didn’t it?
Saying you want to cast out the lobbyists - politically easy road to take.
Saying you want to let the market play out - not such an easy road politically.
Considering this I would give him a lot of the benefit of the doubt.
100 years in Iraq?? Bomb Iran??
I hope he doesn’t follow through on any of his promises.
I think he will be elected with no problem and I am happy about that.
As someone else said here “he is the only adult in the room”.
I think he’s John McSame. Same song, 3rd verse (this one is even worse!)
I like your confidence on this Tx. Wish I felt the same.
Why, exactly, are you happy about the prospect of another Republican in the White House? You worried about losing your 15% tax bracket?
If we ever needed change in this country, it is now. Obama is the only chance we’ve got. The status quo will rein supreme if either John or Hillary is elected. I don’t know how much more status quo I can stomach.
I look forward to the GOP opening a can of whoopass on Obama.
Tx, now I know you’re trolling.
And Iran too, right? Maybe we can get back to threatening China over Taiwan too, right after we build all those permanent bases in Iraq. Hell, with all the foreign mess McCain will get us into, none of us will even notice whether or not he bails anyone out of the housing crisis.
txchick57;
I’m with you on this one!
He’s still allowing for back door bail out. He wants the banks to bail out the homeowners and they you can bet the banks will need the fed to bail them out. Wasn’t he involved in some way with the savings & loan scandal way back when?
He was the token Republican added to the “Keating 5″ to keep the scandal from being an entirely Democratic affair.
McCain was the Founding Member of the Keating Five and that is historical fact
- McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. FACT
-McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating’s airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating’s $58 million “retreat” in the Bahamas, paid for with taxpayer dollars. FACT
-McCain’s current and second wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center. FACT
He is in great company– Mother Theresa
“After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings, while John Glenn and John McCain had been only minimally involved. The Committee recommended censure for Cranston and criticized the other four for ‘questionable conduct.’”
“Founding member,” my okole.
One nice thing about McCain is you can actually believe he might veto a load of pork with extra bailout sauce while being yelled at by both parties.
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Who is the tall dark stranger there?
Maverick is the name.
Riding the trail to who knows where
Luck is his companion
Gamblin’ is his game.
Wow. He is literally the first prominent Washington politician I know of to demonstrate a clear understanding of the factors that led to the current situation. As the previous poster said, I may just vote Republican.
What costs more; flipper bailouts or 100 year wars?
RE: 100 year wars?
Does anybody really understand what the military’s primary geopolitical objective is in the Middle East?
It’s the oil, stupid.
“It’s the oil, stupid.”
If the Iraq war is only about oil, then where’s the oil? Why aren’t we just TAKING oil as payment for this war?
I’m not trying to stray off-topic. I just never understood the whole “War for Oil” idea. Not when the U.S. ain’t getting any cheap oil.
Agreed. If the objective were to just take Iraq’s oil, we wouldn’t have stuck around Baghdad. We’d've taken the northern fields in Kurdistan and the fields in the south, leaving alone the nasty Sunni midsection where we’ve incurred most of the casualties.
If the war were really about oil, we could have gotten it a lot easier by only invading the sections of Iraq where the people actually kind of liked us — not the part which was bound to be mad at not being able to lord it over the rest anymore.
It is about the control of oil. The goal was never to have cheap oil. Just control it, so as it runs out our military is protecting what is left so we get it, and not the next guy.
Yes, it’s the oil, stupid.
It was oil in addition to a lame attempt at creating a western culture in the muslim holy land. Great idea huh? A string of Hooters franchises stretched from Mecca to Babylon…. Great idea.
Without calling anybody “stupid”, can anyone enlighten me as to why the Prez won’t just ADMIT that we’re in Iraq for oil then?
Bush’s approval ratings are appallingly low, and poll after poll show that most Americans want OUT of Iraq. Couldn’t he just say that we need to be over there or gas will be $25.00 a gallon by next year (or something like that)? The whole “liberation of Iraq” argument certainly isn’t getting very far these days.
Oh yeah, its absolutely about the oil. What Bush & Co did not expect was Iraqi saboteurs!
I agree with you laonlooker.
I was thinking about voting Obama (if he got that far), but I may have to take another look at McCain now. He got it dead on. This is the most sense I have heard about the financial sector out of a politician in awhile.
sheeple.
freak
socialist
anti-capitalist who thinks he’s a capitalist
ha… don’t you know that corporatism and the Federal reserve + banking system is just a form of socialism for the rich?
Define “corporatism.”
My observation is that the vast majority of people who use that term don’t know what it actually refers to.
“‘I have always been committed to the principle that it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers,’ he said.”
What if they’re that pesky military-industrial complex that’s cost us a couple of trillion so far–and, oh yeah, 4000 American lives? Does Mr. McCain believe we should continue bailing them out and rewarding them with no strings attached funding?
ATLA not on board, I take it?
Hahah. Sometimes I make myself laugh
no vote for the man that rewards the french with usa cash for tanker planes. If we are going to have a military industrial complex then let’s keep our tax dollars in the usa. perhaps there was a backroom deal since the usa is insolvent. we give you cash and you give us plane contract.
Rewarding the frogs with the tanker planes contract, simply means that Boeing is a huge pile of dung.
You must be operating under the delusion that Boeing manufactures airplanes in the United States. Sorry, it’s not that simple anymore.
Wonder why Japan Airlines has such a large order for the 787? Perhaps it’s because the wings are made in Japan and then flown to Seattle for assembly.
Airbus offered to build a tanker that had the same percentage of American content as the Boeing tanker. In all the hoopla, I have yet to see anything suggesting that the bidding was actually unfair. Just a lot of political and “patriotic” grandstanding. Ignore the fact that these tankers are vital to the Air Force and the existing tankers are so old they are falling apart. They are a safety hazard to the airmen flying them and will be 80 years old by the time they are fully replaced with this contract. But sure, let’s throw it away and start all over. But only Boeing can bid, because it has to be 100% American. I’m sure the taxpayers will get a good deal.
Will you please stop with the facts? It’s much more cathartic to shout pithy little slogans and demonize those whom you disagree with. Wasting your time to make a cogent argument? What’s up with that!
It’d funny cause the some of the deep political logic in some of the posts here is as simpleminded as the thinking employed by the FBs.
I would hope that we would have negotiated (under the table, or otherwise) an “offset” of some kind. Like having the Euro nations scrap the A400 military transport program, and commit to buying C-17s.
The US aerospace manufacturers have been having to give out “offsets” to make sales overseas since the 60s. It would be nice if it became a two-way street for a change.
What is your source for this?
“Airbus offered to build a tanker that had the same percentage of American content as the Boeing tanker.”
I like what he said but I’ll never vote for him because that issue,
Vote for McLame and you bet we will never get out of Iraq as long as he is in office. Great another 4-8 years of that war.
Also, you can count on that will Shillary, as well.
Obama. What does he stand for. Oh yeah, universal health care. I admire the concept, but wonder how we pay for grannies open heart surgery when she is 102. That’s right more tax.
Guess it is a no vote this time around for me!
Paul/Kucinich write-in.
Granny already gets her open heart surgery when she is 102 because she is on Medicare. But her great grandson who is born with a congenital heart defect deosn’t if his parents don’t have insurance but make too much money to qualify for Medicaid or one of the other state sponsored “let’s at least make sure the kids see a doctor” plans.
“Guess it is a no vote this time around for me!”
If you don’t vote then you aren’t doing your duty as a citizen. Might as well move to Canada or better yet, Iran.
At least pick a third party candidate. Nobody running for office is perfect, but some are better than others.
Ron Paul is the only honest politician around.
If you take some time to reflect upon his ideas, they aren’t as far fetched as portrayed by MSM.
Mike
Its amazing how, when you are young, you fail to see that you will grow old eventually. I guess by then, medicine will have miraculously cured ALL ills and health coverage won’t be needed……………….:-)
Gold is the surest cure for any ailment.
McCain never awarded it to the Europeans. He was against the corruption in the earlier bidding and quite rightly so ! If the earlier bidder lost out it was only because of their own corruption. I feel sad for the US workers that lost out but the blame lies with their management and not McCain !
Yeah, politically I’m slightly left of Stalin by US standards (although only slightly left-of-centre in the UK), and I actually found myself agreeing with McCain - at least on this issue. Its good to hear someone not referring to all ‘homeowners’ as victims, and reminding everyone that they are ultimately responsible for their own decisions. I don’t for one minute think that they were his own ideas, but at least he’s got some decent economic advisors around him.
If only I could rid myself of the visual ‘Eye-Worm’ of “Old Man Yells at Cloud” - featuring Abe Simpson (or Bill O’Reilly, depending on where you look) whenever I think of him, and the impression that we’ll have to wrest the Iraq cluster$%^& ‘from his cold, dead hands’ , then he might be viable.
4000 lives? Ask a vet of Okinawa, Iwo, Chosin, or Tet.. I bet nearly that many would have been lost to training accidents and equipment failure over that timeframe.
As I told my family this Easter weekend, if I were President and some tinpot potentate threatened to kill my father, I would have had the 82nd Airborne wheels-up within 30 minutes, en route to kill that person, his family, his friends, his pets, his friend’s families and friends, etc. Just call me President Soze.
look at the cap gains and div treatments offered by hillbama
wow
McCain’s record on housing.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/25/mccain-housing-speech/
And remember his top economic advisor is former Sen, Phil Graham. A man bought and paid for by the banking industry.
Phil Gramm is now the vice-chairman of UBS.
Thats nice, his wife was on the board of Enron.
From your link:
“– McCain failed to vote on bill to overhaul mortgage lending practices of FHA. In 2007, McCain failed to vote on passage of a bill that would overhaul the mortgage lending practices of the Federal Housing Administration (FHA). The bill would reduce the required minimum down payment for an FHA-insured loan and simplify its calculation, requiring a flat 1.5 percent of the appraised value of the home. [S. 2338, 12/14/07]”
This is an outrage?
“– McCain failed to sign on to Truth in Lending Act. Less than four months ago, McCain failed to sign on to this bipartisan initiative providing protection to consumers taking out home mortgage loans. Among other measures, it was designed to “establish new lending standards to ensure that loans are affordable and fair.” McCain also refused to co-sponsor this legislation in the 107th Congress as well. [S. 2452, 12/12/2007]”
What is meant by “affordable and fair?”
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Hillary: “Clinton, seeking primacy on an issue crucial to working-class voters who are her core supporters, proposed that the Federal Housing Administration buy and restructure mortgage debt and called for a new $30 billion federal fund to help state and local governments fight foreclosures.
The New York senator, who a year ago proposed a moratorium on mortgage foreclosures and more recently a five-year freeze on interest rates, acknowledged that such action could be described as a bailout. ”
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/25/clinton_urges_federal_steps_in_housing_crisis/
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Obama: ““It is past time for the federal government to take direct and decisive action. To provide immediate relief, I am proud to join with Chris Dodd – the Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee – to introduce legislation creating a new FHA Housing Security Program, which will provide meaningful incentives for lenders to buy or refinance existing mortgages, and to convert them into stable 30-year fixed mortgages so that homeowners facing foreclosure can keep their homes. This will provide a federal backstop for lenders to reduce the principal of loans that are priced higher than the value of a home so that they are affordable for homeowners. It is not a bailout for lenders or investors who gambled recklessly. It is not a windfall for borrowers. Instead, the Dodd-Obama bill is a responsible and fair way to help bring an end to the foreclosure crisis facing the country.”
http://www.vbdems.org/?p=2373
Has everyone forgotten the Keating 5? McCain has a little bit of history with bank failures and housing bubbles. YOU CAN’T TRUST HIM.
I’m not sure what to think of Mccain. He seriously sounds like Bush half the time. But this is one of the first common sense statements I’ve heard so far from a politician.
Well…let’s see. Admitted to violating the military code of conduct. Member of Keating Five. Cheated on ex-wife. Cheated on current wife. Wants another 100 years in Iraq.
It ain’t happening John boy.
A vote for Grandpa is a vote for the insane policies of Goober.
He also said this: “Government assistance to the banking system should be based solely on preventing systemic risk that would endanger the entire financial system and the economy.” You have to read the text of the whole speech to see what he’s really saying.
laonlooker, although I like McCain’s quote, I also remember one year ago he was working hard to grant citizenship to 12 million uneducated aliens from south of the U.S.A. That would be immediate entitlements and 12 million more voters for the Democrat socialism. Earlier than that, I know he is a liberal in Republican clothing. He was certainly against the 2001 tax cuts and cited leftist think tank Brookings institute and class warfare for his reasons. He is against the American dream. I voted already - for Ron Paul - in my state’s Republican primary. Now I’m a Libertarian.
Bill, I see you prefer the corporate socialists. Why would you chose to continue to slave for them?
Most libertarians are 100% against corporatism, it is Republicans who end up supporting that.
Libertarianism is all about freedom and lack of statism - how is that corporate socialism?
Bill why do they call it the American Dream? Maybe because for most people that is all it will ever be - a dream.
Those tax cuts worked great! NOT.
“Unfortunately, house prices continue to decline and the decline continues to be really nationwide…no markets seem to be completely immune from the housing crisis.”
Sorry, but unless you are an empty nester looking for someone to spend their life in poverty to finance your retirement, it is the HIGH prices that WERE the crisis. We are waiting for the crisis to end, and the sooner the better.
Yes. To reiterate a point made a few months ago - funny how falling gas prices are a good thing, but falling home prices are a bad thing.
Nobody makes money off of falling gas prices, trust me if most people made money off of rising gas prices there would be some lobby somewhere saying ‘the price of gas is too low, it’s only $4; we think it should be $6!’…
Another funny concept that doesn’t get translated to housing is this; falling gas prices are in general good for the economy. It gives you more disposable income and reduces inflation. Guess what? The same can be said of falling housing prices but for some reason everyone wants to pay more and more for a house not realizing that it’s inflationary and saps peoples disposable income…
I’ve told people that I wish the value of my modest 3/2 house would fall to 50% of what I paid for it in 2001.
They look at me like I have a third eyeball until I explain that it would mean the nice 5/3 I’d like to “move up” into in the same market will also fall to 50% of the 2001 price, which I can now easily afford, and my property taxes “should” be lower too.
So few people understand this, which is also why they are usually on the “payer” side of the interest equation, rather than the “payee”.
If you think of your house as shelter, and you buy without debt, you wish home prices would fall.
If you think of your house as an investment, and you borrow to the gills to buy, you pray to God that home prices only go up.
I’m with you…
I had a secretary say to me a few years ago “You’re so luck, you own a house, and prices have shot up!” I replied, “No, that’s a bad thing. Although the price of my place has double in 3 years, so has the place I really want to live in. That means thatthe gap between the price of my place and the place that I’d like has also doubled. In other words, it’s even harder for me to buy the place I’d like. Hell, even though I’ve had sizeable raises beyond COLA, there is no way that I could afford my place today.”
Once I put it that way, he changed his tune. A year later, he left DC (because of the high prices) and moved to Atlanta.
Thank you Hellboy and az_owner.
You guys get it.
True: back during the Bubble, nobody paid for the house anyway, so the rising cost of living was not a problem. Then, they just flipped the house at a profit to the next sucker! Truly sad what we’ve become when THAT is our economy!
“For one thing, the barrier to entry is low. Because it’s relatively easy to get a license, you have the ’stripper/Realtor’ and ‘plumber/Realtor,’ said O’Keefe, who recently opened O’Keefe Casto Residential Brokerage in Las Vegas.”
Plumbing is a perfectly respectable job that actually provides a real service and shouldn’t be lumped with realtors.
Agreed. I would much rather be taunted about my plumber’s butt than be threatened with chants of “Realtwhore” by the angry mob.
How’d they get those torches and pitchforks so quickly?
A stripper/realtor might actually be worth hiring…by the hour, of course.
A stripper/realtor might actually be worth hiring…by the hour, of course.
ex-guv spitzer thought paying by the hour would be cheaper too.
so is stripping, it’s just darn rude to lump strippers in with used house sales people.
“Billy O’Keefe recognizes that real estate agents rank among the least-respected professionals on the planet.”
In fact the used house sales agent has passed the used car sales person in terms of the least respected field. I do not rank realtors as professionals simply because it does not require much in terms of education.
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Years ago, stock brokers were in the top 5.
Jas
…it does not require much in terms of education.
Which becomes patently obvious when you spend time with some of them.
On the SacLanding blog, we had one recently tauting ‘low taxes and chapter 13′ as the reason to prices will never really decline in CA. Yep, this is _exactly_ the person I want advising me on a 500k purchase.
/sarc off
And why not? One can quickly get demographic information on any zip code/census tract right at home. Besides, IMO, no one has any business buying anything until they’ve taken the time to walk around an area and scope it out - preferably at various times/hours. Buyers need to get this information first hand - not candy coated from some agent intent on a commission.
Plus working with any third parties recommended by an UHSP, such as lawyers, inspectors, or brokers is a recipe for disaster. So besides creating a sense of urgency - what are they good for?
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These are MoM declines since July 2006 for Case-Shiller Composite-20:
-0.2%
-0.2%
-0.2%
-0.4%
-0.6%
-0.5%
-0.4%
-0.3%
-0.2%
-0.2%
-0.3%
-0.4%
-0.7%
-0.8%
-1.4%
-2.1%
-2.1%
-2.4%
As you can see, the decline started to accelerate during Aug-Sep 2007. At the current rate of decline things could get really bad real quickly. Additional 10% decline in 4-6 months from here would be a challenge for the economy and the financial markets. Stay away from long positions in the Scam Market unless you think that housing prices are close to the bottom.
Jas
Quite sure you’ll see those numbers decelerating in the coming months - it is truly normal for there to be a “hump” in the summer w/regards to sales prices. Indeed that list shows one last summer even - though prices continued down during the summer, the rate of decline was less than the previous winter.
Reason I say is because when the same thing happens this summer - know that it’ll be trumpeted as the “bottom” when in reality it’s just the normal summer hump, and the decline will resume anew in the fall and winter.
As sure as the sun.
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“Quite sure you’ll see those numbers decelerating in the coming months - it is truly normal for there to be a “hump” in the summer w/regards to sales prices.”
That is a possibility, but I don’t think that seasonality would come into play due to the inventory and a big pipeline of defaults that would lead to foreclosures. Foreclosures are big driving factor for the price declines seen for the past 4-6 months, IMO.
Jas
How do you know that a glut of foreclosures will not continue to make price decline magnitudes get bigger going into the red hot summer sales season? This summer may be different…
Nice data. On a national level, it shows that pain is ramping up dramatically right now. More people will walk away, more HELOCs will be canceled, consumption will continue to fall, corporate earnings will tank.
I’m still on the sidelines in the public markets.
bankers brought the system to its knees; lawyers will kill it.
“While Hillary Clinton and others are offering government help for homeowners facing foreclosure, John McCain is more about tough love.”
“The presumptive Republican nominee, in a speech today in Santa Ana, Calif., blames the housing and credit crisis on a ‘bubble’ created by lenders who lowered their standards, Americans who bought homes they couldn’t afford, and financial players who invested in complex securities that were not transparent.”
“‘I have always been committed to the principle that it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers,’ he said.”
(The ghost of John McCain’s involvement in the savings & loan debacle, is rattling chains in the attic)
Yup, he was one of the Keating Five.
P.O.W./Hypocrite/Whatever
you forgot warmonger.
McCain’s “involvement” in the Keating 5 affair had nothing to do with bailing anyone out. Lincoln Savings was being liquidated by the government, which was following up by investigating its CEO. McCain was found by an investigation to have used “poor judgment” in joining four Democratic senators in poking around the investigation; the perception was that he was acting on Keating’s behalf to try and get the investigators to back off. Unlike some of the others, McCain was not censured.
McCain was found by an investigation to have used “poor judgment” in joining four Democratic senators in poking around the investigation;
Only Sen Cranston, of the 5 were censured. If this happened today, they would just say McCain was having a ’senior moment’. In fact, thats probably what they did say. However you say it, McCain was involved deep with Keating.
In October 1989 The Arizona Republic reported that in addition to campaign contributions, McCain’s wife and her father had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. The paper also reported that the McCains, sometimes accompanied by their daughter and baby-sitter, had made at least nine trips at Keating’s expense, sometimes aboard the American Continental jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating’s opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay.
Remember he is committed to the “principle”. There’s a big leap from that side of the canyon to the other side where you actually have to act upon said principle.
“In one of the more spectacular meltdowns in mutual fund history, Schwab YieldPlus - marketed as a higher-yielding alternative to money market funds - has plummeted to just $2.5 billion in assets from more than $13 billion in May.”
YieldMinus-80%
I lost a quick 20% on that fund…forgot to put a stop-loss to protect on the downside.
The interesting thing was that it wasn’t subprime losses as they didn’t hold any. Instead the losses were in their non subprime portfolio. Alt-A losses are coming to a town near you and they are bigger and badder than subprime ever would or could be.
All loans are subprime. There are no exceptions.
Not quite. Two buckets are needed, one for performing loans and the other for non-performing loans.
“I think there were two subprime borrowers paying their mortgages”, he said performingly.
well, a bucket and a cup? thimble?
Part of it was decrease in asset values, part of it was redemptions. It wasn’t -80%.
It was bad, but it wasn’t that bad…
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“He takes part of the blame himself. ‘It’s my bad. You should never believe you can get higher yields without any risk,’ he says.”
Most people don’t realize that this also applies to munis. Hence, my rec to be in USTs during bad economic times.
Jas
“Most people don’t realize that this also applies to munis. Hence, my rec to be in USTs during bad economic times.”
You’re right, Jas, I moved the whole bond portfolio to Treasuries in July- just in time, whew! Even the ultra short term ABS’s are getting puked up… look out below.
DP
McCain just said word for word what has been the gospel on this website for years now. If the Housing Bubble and prevention of it happening again as well as an orderly popping without bailouts is important to you. Hillary and Obama are most certainly not the candiddates for you.
I have always been committed to the principle that it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers. Government assistance to the banking system should be based solely on preventing systemic risk that would endanger the entire financial system and the economy.
In our effort to help deserving homeowners, no assistance should be given to speculators. Any assistance for borrowers should be focused solely on homeowners, not people who bought houses for speculative purposes, to rent or as second homes. Any assistance must be temporary and must not reward people who were irresponsible at the expense of those who weren’t. I will consider any and all proposals based on their cost and benefits. In this crisis, as in all I may face in the future, I will not allow dogma to override common sense.
When we commit taxpayer dollars as assistance, it should be accompanied by reforms that ensure that we never face this problem again. Central to those reforms should be transparency and accountability.
Policies should move toward ensuring that homeowners provide a responsible down payment of equity at the initial purchase of a home. I therefore oppose reducing the down payment requirement for FHA mortgages and believe that, as conditions allow, the down payment requirement should be raised. So many homeowners have found themselves owing more than their home is worth, because many never had much equity in the house to begin with. When conditions return to normal, GSEs (Government Sponsored Enterprises) should never insure loans when the homeowner clearly does not have skin in the game.
“McCain just said …”
That’s a really big four-letter word.
I’m trying to get a ride on the “Straight Talk Express” LOL. I’d like to drink beer and cruise across Arizona. Sounds like a good time.
I’m pretty sure the “straight talk express” hit a curve quite some time ago.
We all need to be a tad more big picture here regarding McCain. I used to think he was a straight-shooter, but his pandering to the Falwell fringe negates that naive view. Here’s an interesting editorial from the Financial Times, making the case that a McCain presidency is just another McBush disaster in the making:
http://tinyurl.com/3ey7e8
So McCain the panderer? Let’s see he was tortured by the Cong for 5 years but he gave in to Fat old Falwell? Nice try but no bananas.
Nah. Don’t forget, I’m in Texas. Bush was governor here and there’s another connection I don’t want to detail but we’ve had lots of contact with that buffoon. McCain is not like that at all.
Well, *this* democrat is voting for McCain! If he really said those things about not bailing out specu-vestors (with MY money) that alone is reason enought!
The McCain I once had some respect for, didn’t suffer fools like falwell & robertson…
States tried to enact laws against predatory lending and the current admin shot them down - this is what spitzer was trying to do and why he was taken down - deregulation and no over site creates these problems
“States tried to enact laws against predatory lending and the current admin shot them down ” and from article this week on Payday Loans:
“Because of the astronomical interest rates there is a movement among more states to implement a cap of 36 percent APR that is currently in place in 13 states and the District of Columbia.”
‘”in states like New York where pay day loan caps or bans exist, loopholes allow out-of-state lenders to provide loans over the Internet.”
“Fisher said. California’s state assembly is set to debate a bill to introduce a 36 percent cap.
“Thanks to the credit crunch and foreclosure crisis, state and federal policy makers are taking a hard look at the policy of credit at any cost,”
You say that like spitzer was some poor victim of the pigmen. I personally dont have an issue with prostitution between consenting adults but spitzer should hang for his hypocrisy.
Agreed. GFE’s can enrichen one’s life, as long as one does is honest about using GFE’s. GFEs rock! (in the real sense of the word too!).
If you are a single issue voter, Ron Paul would be the man to vote for. He wouldn’t bail out speculators or spend trillions of dollars killing young Americans in far-off lands. Of course, that kind of fiscal responsibility is considered extremist.
Agreed. Since I’m not a single issue voter, I wouldn’t vote for Ron Paul, but he and McCain aren’t even in the same galaxy when it comes to consistency of principles (or possession of principles, for that matter).
The debate where he explained the concept of blow-back and how it pertained to the 9/11 attacks was priceless.
I get the feeling McCain is going to have to attack someone within a year of taking office in order to take everyones mind off of the looming depression.
I agree, watcher. However, I’m long past the hope that we are still living in a democratic republic. Sheeple are so involved watching the puppets on the stage that they don’t see who is pulling at the strings.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTYwNjg3N2QzMzQ1NjA5YTcyZTk0YmU1ODU2ZTcxNjk=
http://www.azcentral.com/realestate/articles/0325housing0325.html
Lawrence Yun, chief economist at the Realtors Association, called February’s gain over January encouraging.
“We’re not expecting a notable gain in existing-home sales until the second half of this year, but the improvement is another sign that the market is stabilizing,” he said.
I wonder if this guy Yun believes his own spew? Anyway posted here for other view of the RE crash.
“‘I have always been committed to the principle that it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers,’ he said.”
Finally, a candidate I can support.
Any one with insight into the market in western Massachusetts- specifically Longmeadow?
Moving from Texas to there for job reasons and while wife wants to buy I am very wary given the current situation. Fortunately we have been able to sell our place here - coming out about even.
I don’t have access to much in the way of statistics but…
City data has median income increasing from 75,461 to 79,400 (2000 to 2005) and housing increasing from 201,600 to 304,300. Community seems stable but clearly MA has not escaped the subprime situation.
Sales seem to be slowing down- prices still stable or increasing slightly.
What to do??
leave your wife in texas and rent a place
mass is tanking hard do not catch a knife
good luck
“‘The weakness is not contained to the bubble areas,’ said Michelle Meyer, an economist at investment bank Lehman Brothers in New York. ‘It has spread to the rest of the nation.’”
Malignant metastsasupersize me
Wow! Hoz, you see this?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jill-brooke/exclusive-bear-stearns-e_b_93274.html
Methinks the wheels are coming off of Wall Street…
Where has the honor amongst thieves gone?
Whatevaaa!
Like the BSC folks are gonna stick around to see things through.
Forget the five stages, etc. We’re getting to the “save who you can” stage.
If it’s that dire, why shouldn’t BS employees just set up a few “unauthorized” trades that will cost JPM billions?
What do they have to lose? Prison will get them 3 meals a day and free healthcare. They’ll be lucky to pay the rent if nobody will hire them and all their savings went away.
“Martha Ann Wishnev: ‘I ordinarily sell about $7.5 million worth of real estate a year. And here it is, it’s the beginning of February. I haven’t had a sale yet.’”
No sales yet. Good It may teach you scumbags a thing or two about ethics and ripping off buyers.