Bits Bucket And Craigslist Finds For April 1, 2008
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Colorado Proposes Tough Law on Executive Accountability
http://tinyurl.com/22h39u
If passed by voters in November, the proposal would leave top business officers having unprecedented individual accountability, said Mr. Ellingson, a member of Protect Colorado’s Future, a coalition of advocacy groups that supports the initiative.
I can see the moving vans at many a business in CO if this passes. But the Chamber of Commerce will do everything it can to make sure business accountability isn’t enforced.
Weren’t a bunch of the same kind of executive accountability laws passed or proposed after enron?
and made London the ipo leader
another failed gov program
Well if crooks are our leading export….
Yeah, it’s the laws that are missing.
“Legal fees aside, Dean Krehmeyer, executive director of the Business Roundtable Institute for Corporate Ethics at the University of Virginia, which conducts ethics training for executives and directors, says the litigious nature of the measure could create a chasm between businesses and their communities.”
That chasm already exists between businesses and communities and businesses and employees due to the actions of the executives of these companies. Let the revolution begin in Colorado and spread across the country.
Would this apply only to businesses based in Colorado or any business doing business in Colorado?
“That chasm already exists between businesses and communities and businesses and employees due to the actions of the executives of these companies. Let the revolution begin in Colorado and spread across the country.”
What? You mean the pursuit of profit at the expense of ANY OTHER CONSIDERATION (environmental destruction, community, life and health, basic human decency) might need to be MEDIATED SLIGHTLY? Heresy! It is the RIGHT of businessmen to chew up and spit out this country, destroy it utterly, in order to make slightly more money than they did last year! To hold any other belief is…*gasp*…SOCIALIST!
Break out the torches and pitchforks!
Hear, hear!
Did any of you see that story about seth tobias on cnbc last night? What a mess that was.Their personal assistant was quite the piece of work.And what about tiger the porn star?I guess too much money really screwes you up.
It seemed to me that the personal assistant was not a personal assistant and a fruad.. if you watched it close enough it looked like he was looking for money and seth married a gold digger.. his life of drugs and stress did not help.. but the personal assistant was a fruad.. seth seemed like a guy who got out of control.. the tiger was not even in town and added that the personal assistant was a joke.. had some old cramer shots in the back ground.. geez 25 million and his will was not updated.. winner the wife.. but I’m sure she worked hard for every dollar.
Shouldn’t they also hold the business owners accountable? In fact I would think the business owners should be accountable even before the executives.
Entitlement Mentality Is Wrecking Economy
The fundamental problem with the social safety net, however, isn’t bankrupt economics but bad philosophy.
A government can only provide a safety net insofar as the wealth that net consists of — food, clothing, shelter, medical services — has been created by productive individuals. The freebies government is so eager to expropriate don’t grow from the ground, but must be produced by entrepreneurial individuals who create corporations, raise cattle, invest in financial markets, run restaurants, develop pharmaceuticals, and so on. From the creation of kidney dialysis to the transportation of affordable food, it’s the reasoning mind that produces the wealth that makes our lives secure, not a bloated government bureaucracy.
http://tinyurl.com/yq8wee
Frankly I’m tired of these standard Repub talking points. This is supposedly the philosophy we’ve been pursuing the last 10 years are so and where has it got us????
Take a look at some of the European economies which provide a social safety net: Scandanavian countries are a prime example. What is the qulaity of life there. I think many Americans would be surprised, but they’re to darn insular and brain washed to even consider the possibilit that there might be a better way then what they think is unfettered capitalism.
The irony however is that we don’t have unfettered capitalism, rahter then investing in senior care, education and health care, our friends in Washington have chosen to engage in corporate welfare, nice large no bid contracts for Halliburton, tax breaks for Exxon. I want to see our small businesses get a fairer break rather then those who have the moola to turn a politician and get a nice earmark or tax break. You’re looking at the wrong culprit, there is little social safety net in this country, there is plenty of fat in the military contracting business and energy lobbying
Martin
my post is a republican talking point, but of course yours is the “truth”, not a liberal talking point.
i was talking about economic philosophies, not politics
You mean an economic philosophy with a political agenda?
I plead guilty to being a liberal if it means I support an equitable education, healthcare and senior care social safety net.
I plead guilty to liberalism if it means I have to support governmental no bid contracts for the likes of Halliburton.
I plead guilty if I’d like my taxes reduced and budgets balanced by a smarter spending policy which would invest in our countries citizenry rather then profitable companies which still seem to need corporate welfare.
I plead guilty to being a liberal if that means I oppose a wefare system which dissincentifies people to become self sufficient.
I plead guilty to liberalism if it means a healthcare system which will avoid people becoming destitute because of lack of health insurance and inability to pay for over priced medicine
I just don’t think our nation’s problems are the social safety net, which is barely existant compared to many European countries. Rather its governmental waste of my hard earned tax dollars that are the problem and in NYC thats a lot of tax!
Amen!!!
I’m tired of people thinking the Scandinavian model has any relevance to the United States.
Right on. I’m tired of people thinking they should be able to eat regularly, get a decent education or spend tax dollars on medicine for the poor when they could be spent spreading democracy at the point of a gun. Who do those swedes think they are making us look bad? If they aren’t careful we are gonna spread some democracy in nothern Europe. Booya!
What color is the sky in your world?
I look forward to the Republican United States of America, where the last of the middle class scratches a living selling gum on the street or shining shoes, and billionairs travel in armored cars and live in walled compounds because of the rampant crime created by poverty.
Again, did you get a job from a poor person (or better yet, an ecomonically challenged individual)?
It takes money and the ability to risk it all to get ahead.
You cannot expect to get ahead by government hand outs.
Scandinavia is rethinking the utopian social programs they cant afford. Not to mention Sweden and Norway has been ‘invaded’ by immigrants who refuse to integrate with the local culture and have brought crime with them while sucking off the government teat. Finland has been watching with deep fear.
Its an utter fantasy to believe that the same programs (that dont work nearly as well as the left leaners dream) for nations of 7 to 10 million people can be applied to a nation of 300 million. The government has really two mandates. Defend the nation, and stay the hell out of the way of the states to allow for capitalism and growth as the states see fit. I dont see a mass exodus to Sweden from the US so I know its all talk.
Back to bubble related news. Deutsche Bank, $4 billion in write downs…whats this, a GERMAN bank in a nation with far reaching social programs and giveaways is in deep doo doo?!?! Oh the utopian head spinning!!!!
You cannot expect to get ahead by government hand outs ??
I politely disagree my friend….The whole fricken federal & muni system is a hand out….Congrees vest with a full pention after one term I believe…Water meter readers making 60k +….Bus drivers making 80k +…Fire fighter retireing @ 50 with a 120k pention and full benefits….And NEVER any layoffs…Just hire freeze…
when talking about scandinavia, one should take into account their huge profits from oil and other (soft) commodities that are not going to last, but made it easy to have all kinds of social pet programs.
And government there just like elsewhere, or in the US for that matter, always paints a pretty picture of the situation. Just imagine what happens when you give both father and mother the right to one year of fully paid leave when they have a child, with no risk of being fired by their employer. People will take a well-paid job and start producing babies once every year or so and never have to work; it is easy to bankrupt their employers this way. After five years of this leisure routine, they are probably unable to every work again in a normal way. Companies have to find ways around this legislation or move to other countries.
The governments pretent the problem does not exist but of course it does. Just like in other ’social’ countries like the Netherlands where over 25% of the population is ‘unable to work’ but perfectly able to be on a permanent vacation or something close to that, paid for by the few people that still do work.
Scandinavia is rethinking the utopian social programs they cant afford. Not to mention Sweden and Norway has been ‘invaded’ by immigrants who refuse to integrate with the local culture and have brought crime with them while sucking off the government teat.
My sister spent a year in Sweden a few years ago, started out by visiting distant relatives, who said the same thing.
Now, no one get all mad and call me a racist: my sis was told by the relatives, as part of their ‘Welcome to Sweden’ introduction ‘to avoid Arabs, because the new middle eastern immigrants commit three-fourths of the rapes’. I don’t know if she made a helpful note of this tip, but she did come home unraped, and with an an adorable pair of clogs for me.
I can see a trend developing where Brits and Europeans spend a lot of their time here in the US to escape the floods of immigrants coming into their own countries. I encountered many Brits on Spring Break- very few college students this year. The riots in France were just the beginning of Europe’s problems with their immigrants.
Ha- just saw a TV piece on how the 1.5 million immigrants that have entered the UK since 1977 really haven’t done that much for their economy. Surprise, surprise.
nhz - Just imagine what happens when you give both father and mother the right to one year of fully paid leave when they have a child, with no risk of being fired by their employer. People will take a well-paid job and start producing babies once every year or so and never have to work;
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It’s very nice to have a creative imagination, but I prefer facts. Scandinavia has a low birth rate:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4768644.stm
I have friends and family in Sweden and Finland, and I have visited there, and even spent a day with one of my friends in a Swedish high school. Everyone I know works just like a regular person over here, there not all sitting around popping out babies and living off the government. People do complain about taxes…on the other hand their quality of life is good. Skinheads and suburban violence is a growing problem, though. Sweden isn’t the way many people imagine, I think.
Dinasmom - Ha- just saw a TV piece on how the 1.5 million immigrants that have entered the UK since 1977 really haven’t done that much for their economy. Surprise, surprise.
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Maybe, but the food is way better.
ProbaBLEE! The best food we had in London last year was Thai;-)
Serendipity factor at work!
I prefer the military democracy at the end of a gun throughout the world and all my tax dollars being spent on bombs and torture to enforce “democracy” it makes us so much safer to create so many enemies world wide - why would anyone want what is good for the most people when we can have it only good for the entitled government employees, corporations, and stockholders?
It’s not like the government doesn’t give anything to the people. Just look how many prisons we build. Free housing and they still complain…
Scandinavian socialism has been a staple of dorm-room political discussions since the 60’s The only problem is, in the intervening years, it’s become an example of failure rather than success, as the productivity of those economies has been crushed by the weight of their “safety nets” and associated taxes. Check it out.
yeah, so has ours during a period of systematic dismantling of the safety net.
your causation needs work.
Hi guys,
I’m actually living in Sweden right now… moved here last year and got a job immediately. I don’t even have to think very hard to come up with proof that Sweden isn’t the anti-capitalist haven many like to think it is:
Ikea, Saab, Volvo, Huskvarna, Skania… etc.
The immigrant problem is real though, but it’s partially Sweden’s fault. Immigration is new, and Swedes expect everyone who moves here to become Swedish immediately - to like the same stupid TV shows, to be quiet on the bus, to never say hello to people on the street, etc. I think with time Sweden will learn to define itself in some other way than just eating rotten fish and being white, but that will take a generation or two.
Holgs,
“a generation or two” . I doubt this, seriously. Check out the Turks in Germany. Many have been there 3-4 generations now, and they remain largely unintegrated. The Turks hold to their own language, culture and social and sexual mores, distaining the larger German culture. And nothing in Germany’s culture or history has prepared them to accept such radically divergent peoples.
Sweden and Denmark are in even worse shape, as the immigrants from Afghanistan and other Arab nations do not even accept the equality of women, let alone their autonomy. The Scandinavian government tries to softpedal the data, but yes rape and assaults against women are largely done by immigrants. Swedish women live independent persaonl and sexual lives…Afghan immigrants are from a culture where women are largely chattel, and stoning a woman deemed “errant” was blood sport in stadiums.
Yeah, it’s a problem.
Take a nap.
I might remind you that this housing bubble and all its collateral damage began with Bill Clinton and his tax giveaway (invitation to fraud) to house sellers. Now, Kookoid II wants to double your capital gains tax on non-housing investments. And let us not forget that the witch supported and voted for the bankruptcy law changes.
Yep current administration has cut capital gains and dividend tax which benefits the top 0.1% but has let the Alternative minimum tax continue to rape middle and upper middle class Americans.
The administration can’t do anything about it ’til that Democratic Congress passes a bill. Where are they on this matter??? Hmmm.
LOL majority of one and its the dems - you are so funny
Repub this, demo that…There are 35000 lobbyists for 500 odd members of congress. Thats about 70 each. There in lies your answer to why Washington politics is more and more divergent from middle class needs. Lets not fool ourselves into believing that left is better than right or vice versa. They are all on the take (usually from the same lobby groups). We have elevated corruption to an art form.
Measton, how come I’ve never had to pay the AMT? I would call my income “upper middle,” but whenever I do that AMT worksheet I find out it’s irrelevant. AMT victims probably have big mortgage-interest deductions?
Anyway I benefitted quite a bit from the reduction in marginal tax brackets.
You get to keep mortgage interest and charitable deductions, it’s state and local taxes, medical expenses and other deductions that get taken away. It largely impacts those with upper middle class incomes in bigger cities (where upper middle class status costs more and upper middle class jobs pay more) and with higher state and sometimes city) taxes.
Of course the top 1% got most of the tax cuts. They pay most of the taxes. The top 1% pays around 1/3 of all federal taxes. The top 10% pays about 70%. So of course when a tax cut is enacted the top 10% will get the lion’s share of the tax cut. It would be illogical to expect anything else.
The bottom 50% pay $0 in federal taxes. So again it would be illogical to expect someone who pays $0 in federal taxes to get a tax cut.
Lets wrap our heads around reality shall we? The wealthiest have NEVER paid less as a percentage of their wealth than they do now. That is fact #1. The bottom 80% have never paid MORE of their “wealth” than they do now.
has nothing to do with greenspans low interest rates and the blocking of oversight in the states against predatory lending, or even the scamming of banks, realtor’s, and the purposively wanting to get low income people into housing they could not afford, and a unnecessary war wasting billions and billions of dollars or going from a surplus eight years ago to a complete debt disaster of today.
Looking at record deficits produced by prior congress and veto shy GW.
The tax giveaway may have been the spark that lit the housing bubble fire, but it was the massive amount of money created by the federal reserve that fueled it. Without the fuel, no bubble.
If it didn’t go to housing, it would have created some other bubble (if it was, say, alternative energy it might not be as much of a waste of resources)
SNOPES.com
is good research for hype.
When you read about the Scandinavians themselves and how they live, especially a story posted here not too long ago about life in Denmark, their model screams “sheeple.” Talk about coddling the masses to keep them quiet.
Normally I just lurk, but once in a while I have to put in my .02 cents (all 2 cents are worth anymore). I live in a tiny Alabama town that’s about 60 miles from any larger urban area, out of 8500 residents, probably 50% are on the dole. Subsidized housing, Medicaid, Food Stamps, every entitlement in the universe. It’s killing business in this town since most small businesses are competing against the government subsidies. The town is slowly dying and no major new businesses (and very few small ones) would even think of setting up shop here. The attitude of entitlement and lack of any work ethic of any type prevalent among the sheeple here must be experienced to be believed (I’m not from here). Better than 25% of students drop out of school to get on Welfare and WIC, one doctor in town has made a fabulous living for herself by running a disability mill, and the town is busy building even MORE subsidized housing to attract federal and state matching funds and increase the number of voters reliant upon the largesse of the government and the 40% of us who work here.
By the way, we also have a housing bubble here that dwarfs most anything you can imagine in even the big cities. Average household income - $31.000 - average house price -$230.000. It’s a captive audience with the realtors all insisting “it’s DIFFERENT here” and only 3-4 builders in town (all in cahoots). The hook? We have the only decent, safe school district of any city or town in the area. You want your child to get a good education? Pony up. However, even here the bubble is bursting. We rent and I keep a close eye on the market. Only 5 sales of anything over $200.000 in the last 8 months (not much of anything else either). The realtors are getting desperate
Thanks for all the great info and discussion by the way. This blog has saved us HUGE amounts of rapidly depreciating dollars…
sounds very much like the Netherlands. Many people go from secundary school right into the disability programs (most of them are ‘unable to work’ because they are extremely rude, lazy or have used too much drugs). In these ’social’ programs you receive the minimum wage and there are scores of wellfare workers that assist you to get free housing, all kinds of additional subsidies and all the other goodies of the wellfare state. Some lower-grade schools simply file a request for disability benefits for all their pupils in the 1st year, good service isn’t it? And of course, the Dutch wellfare workers are doing great, they have plush offices, drive expensive cars and have wages that are a lot above the median.
Of course the economy is going to crumble because of all this, but the Dutch don’t notice because their housing bubble is still inflating and providing tons of additional income - at least for homeowners, those who are working for their own income and have to rent in the free market are totally out of luck already.
Your housing bubble details agree quite well too with Netherlands (average income EUR 30K, median home price EUR 250K).
See - Globalization even applies to the segment of the population Rome used to keep placated with “bread and circus”… Something’s rotten not only in Denmark, but the rest of the world as well it appears.
“one doctor in town has made a fabulous living for herself by running a disability mill”
I’ll guarantee you she’s not a Repub either - all the health & human services pols here are Dems and they’are all about having the state take care of everybody. Lots of doctors, nurses, teachers and other public employees in our legisislature here so they can appropriate more $$$ for their agencies. I’ll bet Alabama isn’t much different.
Re to the Alabama comment you would not happen to live in jasper per chance would you?
Nope much further South, though Jasper being only 41 miles from Birmingham would be a GREAT improvement… (relatively)
RE: “one doctor in town has made a fabulous living for herself by running a disability mill”
Sounds familiar…A good friend of mine is the Medical Director for a rural health care clinic in Western Maine.
His biggest disease?
The ceaseless and unending whining and bitching because he won’t qualify people for SS-I disability payments.
No more Numba #1, GI!
Those poor deluded Scandinavians and other Europeans, taking four weeks of vacation per year, lazy fools, while Americans take two and like it. As if we have much to show for those extra two weeks of work, besides a declining dollar, burgeoning debt, and an economy based almost solely on bubbles.
Mmmm.. I lived in Europe for nine years and I find many aspects of the way of life over there absolutely wonderful. You would think the social safety net would be the end all - be all for society. It isn’t, it presents its own very complicated set of problems and you find as much resentment over its shortcomings over there as you do here with ours.
“Those poor deluded Scandinavians and other Europeans, taking four weeks of vacation per year, lazy fools, while Americans take two and like it.”
Who takes 2 weeks vacation? I have never had less than 3 weeks vacation at any full time job. Last full time job I had gave me 25 PTO days. Now that I work for myself, I take most Fridays off, take 2-3 weeks off in the summer and 1-2 weeks off in the winter. I could work less but I like what I do and don’t have the burning desire to sit on a beach for 4 weeks a la the French in August.
Which is strange, seeing as the nation of Denmark won “Happiest People in the World” last year….
UK? 41st
US? 23rd
they’re are taxed up the booty
America has been going hard left since FDR made himself president for life
You haven’t noticed most funds going to corporations and government employees, the huge raises for congress critters every year and the huge benefits and health care - the only ones getting more and more entitlements live inside the beltway or in corporate offices or are the stockholders - sounds like a hard right to me - most things good that FDR did are being dismantled rapidly since that day and are on over drive this past eight years
A society can provide a safety net of some level to all of its people, but if the demand for freebies grows beyond what can be skimmed away from the productive members of society, the saftey net breaks down or the productive members become poor (and thus needing the safety net) or they just leave. To assume anything else is folly. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Yes, and “society can/should provide” shouldn’t always translate to “government can/should provide.” We’re not a better people because our government shakes us down for money to help the less fortunate (while empowering themselves). We’d occupy higher moral ground if charities funded by the free choice of contributors did the heavy lifting. And probably have fewer “less fortunates.”
…rather then investing in senior care, education and health care, our friends in Washington have chosen to engage in corporate welfare, nice large no bid contracts for Halliburton, tax breaks for Exxon.
You can do all the above, especially if your “investments” are made by state and local governments. I personally refuse to let my school system off the hook because of Federal “no bid contracts for Haliburton.”
I think those guys are using a bunch of oil money.
Wow. This thread is a great example of why such problems are going to be around for a long time.
Here’s an observation: If your post contains “Democrat” or “Republican”, you are discussing religion, not solutions.
Partisans are everywhere and they are all blind.
Here’s an observation: If your post contains “Democrat” or “Republican”, you are discussing religion, not solutions.
Yep. It’s amazing to me how most people have not yet noticed that they are essentially the same party catering to different social groups.
Amen VG. They both support big, make that huge, government. They both support globalization, They both support the invasion into our country. They both support the undermining of our communities, culture and families. They both support the notion that America is just an idea. We are not a people with a worthy and preservable culture like all other cultures and peoples that we are mandated to celebrate. They both support just what we have become. A country that shares little but geography as we struggle for the “american dream”.
Just every once in a while as a political science instructor once said - the one party has a conscience and does something good for the people - it is government of the rich for the rich and always has been - It is becoming harder and harder to do what is good for the whole - divide and conquer and they have done that very well - people vote against their best interest all the time -
OK, earnest - describe that worthy and preservable culture for me.
What culture would that be, Ernest? The English culture? The red-neck culture? The inbred Anglo-Saxon came-off-the-prison-ship culture? That culture?
Multi-ethnic America isn’t just an idea–it’s real. My ancestors were four different nationalities, coming to this country from the Colonial period on and include farmers, engineers, and statemen, and not one of them was English. Heck, my great-grandfather was born in this country and his native language was Platt Deutsch, not English. And my ROMAN CATHOLIC forebears have been defying the dominant paradigm since 1792. Put that in your white bread Anglo-Saxon Protestant pipe and smoke it.
Well said, Mr. Gator, well said.
Comment by sartre
2008-04-01 09:15:30
Repub this, demo that…There are 35000 lobbyists for 500 odd members of congress. Thats about 70 each. There in lies your answer to why Washington politics is more and more divergent from middle class needs. Lets not fool ourselves into believing that left is better than right or vice versa. They are all on the take (usually from the same lobby groups). We have elevated corruption to an art form.
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Just had to repost this as it is always ‘us’ who are arguing over left/right when it is the 500+ lobbyists who pay off our congress. Doesn’t anyone remember all the
‘junkets’ where congressmen go to offshore countries to
“investigate” the “factories”…ie whorehouses and spas/resorts.
Something has to change for congress/senate to get back to (if they ever were) honesty. And the PUBLIC who voted them in based on their promises.
I don’t think Ernest was trying to say that the primary culture (yes, white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant) is necessarily better than any other, just that there IS a primary culture. It was the people of this culture who built this country up (yes, with the help of immigrants who tried to become part of that culture).
Doubt it? Who wrote the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution? Who were this country’s presidents, even until this time?
We may agree or disagree about whether that culture is “better” than any others, but we should have a more cohesive culture that is decidedly American, rather than a hodge-podge of factions that refuse to get along with one another.
Forcing the dominant culture to “celebrate” and “welcome” often contradicting cultures is NOT the way to make us a unified nation.
BTW, I say this as someone whose mother immigrated to this country. She, and her immigrant friends, agreed that immigrants should try to assimilate if they are going to reap the rewards of living in this country. Their personal culture can be celebrated, but not at the expense of Americans and their culture.
Yep. It’s amazing to me how most people have not yet noticed that they are essentially the same party catering to different social groups.
I used to believe that myself.
The last eight years have proven this patently false, however.
One party is hellbent on reinventing this nation as a Third World autocracy, with a super-elite moneyed class, a servile majority, and very little in-between.
It’s amazing to me that one can draw any other conclusion.
Et-Chicago,
I do believe the model of choice is Argentina…wealth and ownership concentrated in relatively few hands, an overriding centralized government in conjunction with a politicized military.
gee, you don’t have to go that far south. the country bordering us down south is the model. one party for many many decades. lots and lots of poor without any opportunity to live a better life. etc. what can i say.
Let me break it down for ya’s:
Republicans - the party of war, corporate power, and big government, with pandering to bigots, bible thumpers, and angry white men.
Democrats - the party of war, corporate power, and big government, with pandering to minorities, organized labor, and the poor.
Please note that nothing promised to the groups being pandered to will actually happen if it contradicts the primary focus of the party(s) - war, corporate power, and big government.
Choose your poison.
and what the PTB want more than anything is for us all to disaffiliate ourselves from any groups, because in groups there is some power to effect change. Alone in atomized isolation you can’t do much but surf the net and send angry emails. It’s much easier to manipulate an alienated electorate than deal with parties and other interest groups. That’s politics.
amen , jp, amen
entitlements seem to only go to the government and its corporate friends, banks, government employees across many strips but most especially those in the DC area. Big benefits, life time health care, etc. all for the people who profess to not believe in entitlements while they themselves are entitled - sounds like transference to me. It is unfair - take away their benefits and health care if they are so against anyone else having it - congresscritters, ceo’s and the current residents in the WH -
“Frankly I’m tired of these standard Repub talking points.”
How could you tell those were Repub talking points? The biggest safety net around is apparently the one which provides for too-big-to-fail insurance protection.
(Notice the linked article comes from the capital city of the one of the most hard core Repub states of the union.)
Called here 1st by the HBB’s doom and gloom crowd!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/usa-2008-the-great-depression-803095.html
So, according to that article, about 28 million Americans - close to 10% of the population - will be on food stamps by late this year. Not out of the question since some of the worst hit states are already at that level.
Now, consider that during the Great Depression, 25% of the population was unemployeed. All of the people on food stamps may not be unemployeed, but there are also a lot of unemployeed people not on food stamps. So, we could be looking at a REAL unemployment rate of 10% to 15% by the end of the year, no matter what the cooked “official numbers” may say. That is definitely heading into Great Depression II territory, and the worst is yet to come…
Do you know how easy it is to get food stamps? In my state the income cut off is $1100 a month for a single person. Sorry but earning $1100 a month - which is gross but at that level your tax obligation is $0 and actually negative given the EITC - you should be able to easily buy food and put a roof over your head. A studio apt. can be had for $350. That leaves $750 for food and the basics for a month. Yeah it’s not a life of luxury but it can be done without the need to go on the dole.
Instead it is much easier to go hat in hand to the nearest government office.
Are there truly poor people who have no choice but to ask for a handout? Sure. But of the 28 million, I have a sneaking suspicion most do have a choice and take the easy way out.
Are there truly poor people who have no choice but to ask for a handout? Sure. But of the 28 million, I have a sneaking suspicion most do have a choice and take the easy way out.
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You are right, in some cases. However, for another point of view, I suggest you read “Nickel and Dimed” by Barbara Ehrenreich.
One thing that is for sure: whatever system you set up, some people will exploit it. They may be poor welfare queens or they may be rich government lobbyists. I think the only solution is to bring back public shame for people who are found to be exploiting “the system” (whatever system is in place).
Whatever happened to good old shame? Sucks to live in a narcissistic society, huh?
http://tiny.cc/mHFV5
Ella, Excellent book to suggest. As most of the people who are earning basically nothing, we do not see.
Invisible people who just serve us, clean up for us, etc.
Invisible. And then the rest of us gripe on and on and on about people getting food stamps, or medical care or an education. How dare they want to survive.
I read one of her other books, a similar one where she pretends to be some bigtime ad exec who gets laid off and has to start over. It’s more about her loss of status than anything else. I actually know people who work for peanuts and bounce from job to job even in old age..they have a lot of dignity. They just work, wherever, doing whatever, and they have a helluva lot more dignity than Eirenreich down on her hands and knees washing the parquet and feeling how bad she must look to others.
what the heck are you talking about. you are throwing that 1100 income. i will bet you that the vast majority of the recipients of this largesse earn less that the than half of that. try living on 200 after your 350 rent.
A full time minimum wage job would be $1200 a month. I don’t care how bad the economy is, Burger King is always hiring. But it’s easier to live on the dole than flip burgers.
I missed seeing this on American MSM. My palpable anticipation of watching Oprah’s Big Give must’ve distracted me. I still find it hard to wrap my head around one of the richest women in the world making a game show out of poverty.
Biggest hypocrite on earth. If she really cared she would not have to have her mug and name all over the place. Give your billions and move on. You can do it quietly.
No, she builds the school in S. Africa and she has to be all over it. She builds a hospital in Africa and her name has to be on it. Not really impressive.
What was the verse regarding giving, “Let her left hand not know what the right is doing.”
Not Harpo! She needs the world to know she gives more than everyone outside of Gates, Buffet, and Turner. Even then, she might give them a run.
Besides, she has the money to give.
What a joke!
Meant to say, “Let YOUR left hand know not…”
It would seem that with all of her success and fame and fortune and recognition, she would find some personal satisfaction, that she’s evolved and self-actualized, that she’s served her purpose here on earth, and that she would feel confident, knowing that at the pearly gates, God would say to her, “Job well done” and that she could find some peace. NOT SO! She’s still gotta’ have her fugliness on every cover of every single issue of her useless magazine and continue to try and convince the rest of the world how amazing she is. It just makes you wonder about the true nature of her spirit and what she is trying to make up for or to prove and to whom, for God’s sake!
The ego is a stupendous thing indeed. We all have our hands full enough when alone. How much more burdensome to be bombarded with someone else’s .
Boy is this BS. “North Korea”?!? is that were he has to go to say the safety net failed. 50 years of dictatorship and isolation had nothing to do with it? Please!
How are the economies of all of Europe and most of Asia doing with the terrible safety nets. And how are the people of South America doing without one. (Including Chile with it’s privatized social security).
As Stephen Colbert says, sometimes the truth is biased.
Listen, I work in the Financial Industry but I would not put “entrepreneurial individuals” and “people who invest in fianancial markets” in the same sentence… What we do is at best a zero sum game in terms of productivity…
I agree.
And…I’ve gotten jobs from “poor people” before.
As a matter of fact, most of the entrepreneurs I’ve known started off rather poor.
I’ve only had one job that could be atrributed to “rich” people, and though I liked them well enough, their displays of “wealth” were obnoxious and totally unnecessary in a company where they had no misgivings laying off a hundred minimum-wage people without so much as a day’s notice. They used a lot of temporary workers, who really worked for us over many years, just so they could do this.
How about we go with the bulgarian model? Pure, unadulterated, unfettered capitalism — a free marketeers’ dream. No more social safety net there… they even instituted a flat tax! Here are the results so far to this great experiment:
- The roads are completely destroyed.
- There is a culture of lawlesness fed by money talks bs walks.
- EU just cut off funding due to corruption
- Seaside is completely overbuilt in the mother of condo bubbles (think dubai levels of construction), causing a glut of condos and destruction of sensitive coastal habitat
- Unfettered building in national parks all across the country
- Police corruption so widespread it is standard practice to simply hand the police your license and a 20 euro note when they pull you over
- A generation of hopeless, cynical youth who have emigrated out of the country rather than stay
- Trafficking of humans to western europe. I mean literally kidnapping young girls and sending them west. This is really happening.
Seriously, republicans — I’m not joking. If you want to see the end result of free market capitalism go to Bulgaria now. When I first started going to that country at the end of communism, that after years of decline, it was 10X better off than it is now. People had hope. Now they have none, just a gun toting class of BMW and Mercedes driving criminals (oops, I mean businessmen) who act as if the country belongs to them, because it does.
Yeah, this is why we need RULE OF LAW. That means regulations, and it means enforcing the regulations.
Otherwise, the playaz make the rules, and we all know how that ends up… Look at the ghetto… lot of economic activity in the ghetto, and not a lot of wealth. Hmm, I wonder why?
Right, because if there is one thing we have learned from this housing mess, it’s that you can really count on the RULE OF LAW to be trusted to regulate everything.
It should be obvious that what happened was the rule of law was ignored and the regulators were asleep at the wheel. If people continue to elect politicians whose stated position is that they hate Government, this is the results.
mmm-hmm. regulators need regular regulating.
Your comment about the ghetto is spot on. The lost opportunity cost of money being siphoned off by corruption and illegal activity is one macroeconomic theory that can actually be seen with eyes vs charts and graphs in places like southside of Chicago and countries like Bulgaria. Very, very depressing.
The linked article is nothing but opinions. The lesson of the bubble is that one has to do the math, not just base important decisions on philosophical points that sound good and gather applause. What exactly are the costs and benefits of various programs? We hear about bloated government, but modern big government started with the roads and power projects and we do not hear people refusing Federal money for roads or the power plants and distribution networks. We hear about failed government programs, yet we continue to focus huge amounts of money on military adventures that make us less safe.
In that is the biggest and most obvious failure of this rhetoric. If some idiot starts a war then we cannot debate that because the troops might get have their feelings hurt, but if someone has a record of academic scholarship and business success and tries to serve the government then they must be attacked and derided without mercy no matter what they do. Thugs with guns in a country where they don’t understand the language or the culture or the religion or the politics? Beyond criticism! Scholars enriched by their own success trying to help government respond to the needs of citizens? Public enemies, all! The philosophy that generates these cries against “entitlement” is corrupt, spiteful, un-Christian, bad with markets and worse with math.
Houses worth less than their copper pipes:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/usa_housing_metal_dc;_ylt=Amr2zAzVrQ51kcAVgBeLA7Os0NUE
I saw that too, Chick.
We have a foreclosed house here on the WI/IL border that is just down the street. As I was driving by yesterday, something didn’t look right, so drove past again.
All of the aluminum from the sides of the house were gone… the front was left alone… how much you wanna bet the copper is gone too.
We’ll read alot more stories like this one… and many more that are worse.
“T”
That sucks but it should force lenders to sell or auction REO’s fast before the house is stripped and the banks lose another $15k
Seems like just 3 days ago I was reading on this blog about people suggesting blowing up vacant houses. What a funny, edgy idea that was.
Now we see market forces and the price of copper “blowing up” vacant houses and it looks like a bad idea.
Huh.
People are so stupid! I am almost ashamed to be human!
If the gas pipes in the vandalized house are damaged, the house will self-destruct in an hour or so.
There should be emergency action by the Congress and the Administration to regulate scrap dealers by the FEDs.
yes, we need more regulation
You’ll never take me alive, Copper.
Nice one!
Maybe the Fed can take the copper scrap at the auction window and give out more free money?
DON’T YOU DARE MESS WITH MY FRIEND LING CHING
Ling Ching comes by twice a week with his shopping cart and searches or recyclables sometimes 11pm sometimes at 6 am…
Mostly after the plastic bottles, but hey i drive around the nicer neighborhoods for an hour or two seeing what people toss out and see if can sell it on ebay…
Where will my friend Ling Ching sell his found booty?
Same thing happening here in PNW.
Also cases of loss of phone and cable service due to theft of cable and copper!
RE: Houses worth less than their copper pipes:
Exactly the type of housing stock junk the financial gangsters want to be peddled off to FHA, HUD, and the GSE’s.
For “full market value” - i.e. 2005 wishing prices - of course!
the materials looters don’t get me that riled up. the damn tracts of houses built in the middle of nowhere never should have gone up. that was the crime. this looting is just the residual effects.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if we started shooting looters in this country, after having let the Iraqi looters take whatever they wanted, 5 years ago?
Wouldn’t it be ironic if we started shooting looters in this country, after having let the Iraqi looters take whatever they wanted, 5 years ago?
Or after letting corporate looters steal wantonly from the public during the past several years?
amazing how much copper has appreciated.
peter schiff makes the big time:
The economic crisis enters a new and more dangerous phase daily, and Americans of all levels of economic sophistication are scrambling to make sense of the myriad remedies and proposals that are springing from Washington.
http://tinyurl.com/3yd7w7
delayed retirement:
As the falling real-estate and stock markets erode their savings, many aging Americans are delaying retirement, electing labor over leisure in uncertain times.
http://tinyurl.com/2pw3v2
Their fault for not saving. Yes I know the dollar sucks, but they could save in foreign funds or investments.
Many homeowners thought of their home equity wealth as a primary source of retirement savings. They were encouraged to equate increases in the values of their homes with wealth by the former Fed chairman.
The NAR ad is STILL pushing that point.
Is the NAR still in denial about how many billions (trillions?) in home equity losses have already occurred since the bubble fever broke?
Apparently, since the phrase they use is “key to building wealth” or something like that when referring to home ownership.
Chronicles of NARnia?
“Chronicles of NARnia?”
Hah!
True but not just the former Fed chairman. Housing has been thought of in that regard for decades particularly in metro areas. The bubble may have accentuated it but It is not a new concept.
240K isn’t exactly a huge nest egg. If they bought an annuity with I estimate that it would only provide about 1500 a month. I suppose that he has an IBM pension, but will probably have to wait to increase its payout (same for Social Security).
Nah- the pension is based on a percentage of income earned in the last five years of employment.
(add) prior to eligibility.
Their fault for not saving ??
I 100% agree but their Lack of discipline is going to become a problem for all of us…
Well as this stupidity unwinds, even the prudent are hurt by low rates of return on U.S. Treasurys and other “safe” investments.
Oh he!!, just work until you drop. Up until the 40/50s, for most people retiring at 60, 65, or 70 was a pipe dream.
Heck, there was no safety net for Adam and Eve. You just worked until you were 900+ years old.
This idea of every American retiring at 40 w/funny little umbrella drinks on some island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean is ludicrous. Who is going to do the work of the country?
That’s right illegals and the rest outsourced. Whew. I was scared for a moment.
“This idea of every American retiring at 40 w/funny little umbrella drinks on some island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean is ludicrous. Who is going to do the work of the country?”
I think the key is to pick a job that you don’t mind too much, that gives you some sense of satisfaction, and keep doing that as long as you can. I don’t think there is a “dream job” out there (with the perfect balance of work and time off, challenging enough but not too stressful, etc.) for most of us. But the vast majority of people work some job they completely loathe and pray for retirement so they just don’t have to go anymore, which seems like a waste to me.
Interesting book on this topic:
Avoid Retirement and Stay Alive
Agree 100%.
Unfortunately, because large corporations have rendered small businesses uncompetitive, most people are forced to “work for the man” in jobs that are largely stressful, unchallenging, and generally not condusive to life-long work.
“electing labor over leisure in uncertain times”
Yes, and predicated on the premise that theirs’ is the only job that won’t get cut.
Couple has a Quarter million combined in retirement savings at the age of 59 and he works for big blue? Sorry you’ve obviously been blowing your money expecting unrealistic housing gains to fill the gap. I’m 20 years younger, single and my retirement assets are about the same. I recommend that you BOTH work at least until your eligible for SS and put the max amount for retirement to include the over 50 kicker amounts in both 401ks & IRAs. That will give out over a 100k+ boost plus earnings and give your present retirement assets more time to grow and hopefully the housing market will have returned to the point where you could readily liquidate your RE position (note I an not saying you’ll get your 05 nose bleed price). Thus you will have ~1/2 million in savings and the proceeds from the home sale will be a pure bonus and you can use it to purchase a nice retirement condo in Arizona and use the balance of the proceeds to pay for your relocation and transaction costs. Anything left you can put in the bank as your rainy day fund. Good luck.
I just don’t get it? My house is paid for, no debt, property taxes are less than 1k a year, insurance on house about $350 a year, car ins about $280 a year. without using my retirement savings, i’m going to live just fine on about 1200 per month. So,
whats the problem with retiring.
And if you get sick?
Yes- the company has great savings/stock matching plans, and I think they have probably not taken advantage of everything that was offered. Medical/dental/vision coverage was phenomenal through the ’90’s and is still good compared to other companies. He sounds like an old-timer who will be able to collect a pension- IBM trimmed the fat a few years ago and established a cut off date for pensions sometime around a 1978 hire date.
At 59 you probably just finished putting 2-3 kids thru college. Add that amount up and you’ll see where a few hundred thousand went.
It’s also difficult to retire when anything resembling a “safe” investment is earning far less than real inflation — and taxed, at that!!!!
I feel very sad for the current seniors and the mess Greenspan has left them.
got food?
Steadily rising food costs aren’t just causing grocery shoppers to do a double-take at the checkout line — they’re also changing the very ways we feed our families.
http://tinyurl.com/324rrx
It’s no wonder why people are talking about growing orchards and large gardens. And it’s no wonder alot of restaurants are going out of business, people can’t afford them.
The problem is that people stooped thinking of eating out as a special treat. It became common for mny families to eat out 2-3 times a week at chain sit-down restaurants. We all became accustomed to seeing long lines at Olive Gardern, Red Lobster, Chilis, Texas Roadhouse, etc., and to seeing these establishments pop up like weeds.
Of course, few families could truly afford to do this, but with credit cards and cash back refis to pay them off it was party time. Now most of these places (at least in my neck of the woods) seldom have a wait.
All those extra restaurants will die off. I never cared much for those. Today’s my birthday and I would rather eat at home than go out to be honest. Home cooked food tastes better and costs far less.
Bye,
Happy Birthday. I would have never figured you to be born on April 1st.
Happy Birthday, Bye! Happy Birthday to yoooooooooo, Happy Birthday to yooooooooo, Happy Birthday to you, dear Bye Fla, Happeeeeee Birrrthday to yooooooo.
That was me singing festively.
And now, I suggest that for your birthday, you go right on out and do some sinning. Raise your voice in anger, call thine brother ‘Raka, thou fool’, look at a hottie salaciously…stuff like that. Sweet Baby Jeebus informs me that sins committed on your birthday only count for half as much. Is what I hear.
lol. You’re too much.
“Home cooked food tastes better and costs far less”
You have obviously never been around my house for dinner.
Class…..
It became common for many families to eat out 2-3 times a week at chain sit-down restaurants.
You got that right. When I moved to the US (DC area) in 2000, my company paid for all my restaurant meals for a month. (Nice, eh!) I was gobsmacked at all the families with kids who were eating out at the big chain restaurants — on school nights like Mon-Thu, even at 9 PM or later. Incredible. These people must all be rich, I thought. Rich enough to sleep late in the morning as well, given the late hour.
Same went for all the new cars I saw here, at least compared to other countries. Must be rich people everywhere. Little did I know at the time that probably most of the meals and all of the cars were very literally on borrowed money.
But I guess you have to pay the piper sooner or later, and later is just about here. The question is how painful will the adjustment be? It’s really easy to get accustomed to things getting better; it’s not so easy to adjust in the other direction, and there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
What really amazes me is that people…
put in “high end kitchens” in their houses
…. but then eat out all their meals.
The food. Is. So bad. At those places. It makes you. TalklikeCaptainKirk.
What do you expect? Its replicated
Kidding aside, chain restaurant food is generally unhealthy. Its hard to cook healthy food that tastes good. The kitchen staff in most chain restaurants is only semi-skilled, so the recipes call for lots of cheese, deep frying, etc.
You’re making me hungry, Colorado!
Another concern that I have with the chains is that the kitchens tend to be staffed with illegals, who are much more likely than the general population to be carriers of nasties like TB or Hepatitis.
One morning when I was 8 I got an early start walking to school & had 20 cents burning a hole in my pocket. I stopped at the “Chatterbox” diner across the street from the courthouse. No one there but the waitress & the cook. I asked what I could eat for the money & was told “buttered toast”. At that time butter was too expensive for us to eat at home, so I sat down & blew my wad on buttered toast. Had nothing left for the tip. It was all the waitress could do to keep from laughing out loud. What a treat!
Neat memory!
If anyone has tried to buy emergency storage foods, you will know that costs have increased dramatically (25%+) in just the past two months or so. Wait times are approximately 10 weeks.
Oh, wait, I forgot, commodities were in a “bubble” that is now popping. Sure, and 2 billion Chinese and Indians will be happy to go back to living in mud huts in rural villages without satellite TV and Big Macs
Only a small fraction of those two billion ever made it out of the mud huts in the first place. And those that lose their jobs during the inevitable downturn may well move back in with their relatives in the aforesaid huts. They’re not yet like Americans, who have lived comfortably for so long that they think they are now entitled to that standard of living.
Amen jbunniii - I got guilt-tripped into making a monthly ongoing donation to Children International a few months ago, and ‘picked’ a little girl in India.
And didn’t realise - until I got my introduction sheet - that my ‘paltry’ $20-a-month is more than her parents monthly incomes combined.
Food price inflation…
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-ap-uneasy-economy-sticker-shock,0,3876327.story
it’s not different there:
Housing slump comes to the Hamptons
The US housing slump has arrived at the Hamptons, summer playground of the Manhattan elite.
In a sign that falling prices and home sales gluts are no longer limited to the nation’s declining rust-belt cities or bubble markets, prices for gilt-edged properties in East Hampton and Southampton have fallen sharply.
http://tinyurl.com/3xvkva
It was only a matter of time as the smart people started getting out of the Hamptons back in 2006. More precisely, they were the ones who had more smarts than greed, and that type of person is in the distinct minority on the eastern end of Long Island.
You can now grab a bag of popcorn and watch the play ‘ “The bigger they are the harder they fall”.
Many blithering fools took solace in the median prices holding up somewhat without realizing that all this meant was the upper end homes (over $20 million) hadn’t slowed down. In fact, their prices went down, but the sales occupied a higher than average percentage of transactions, while the lower end transactions went dormant. This artificially propped up the median price.
Expect a huge fall across all the Hamptons. Those little blue collar service worker crap 1960 ranches that once sold for $100,000 and went up to a million are going down, down, down. And the mega mansions on the ocean will do the same.
Now if 90% of the cities in America would do the same. Still waiting to see price drops in Georgia, Tennessee, Carolinas, etc.
You and most of FL. You see Craigs list ads for FL folks wanting to trade their home in the sunshine state for a house in the NC mountains. Until the Halfbacks (half way back to Jersey from Florida)run out of money the NC/TN prices are going to fall slowly.
Incredible as it may seem, even that junk was bid up by Californians. I have several friends who own multiple properties in the Carolinas, god knows why. I’m not sure they even get that it’s part of the Bible Belt and that no sane person would want to live there.
lol, I bet they’ve never driven I-95 and don’t realize how empty it is out there (of people–lots of trees, though).
‘Deliverence’ country.
Unless they were buying profitable timber land with that Cali Equity Locust money, they overpaid…
The judge I clerked for sold the summer place in the Hamptons her husband had inherited from his parents back in 2005; their kids are grown, and the area has changed dramatically from a place where normal families would go to enjoy the beach in July, to a ridiculous poser’s paradise. It was just the right time for them, but their timing was miraculous–they did very well.
Great story, aimeejd. When I wuz a pup, the family used to take summer vacations there and it was fantastic. You could get a decent family rental there for a month or two, pretty much everywhere except South Hampton. But, yeah, it turned into a crappy poser’s paradise, just like you said, where useless Manhattan nouveau parasites could go to see and be seen.
“a crappy poseur’s paradise, where useless Manhattan parasites could go to see and be seen”
have fun!
RE: The US housing slump has arrived at the Hamptons, summer playground of the Manhattan elite.
From Jim Knustler’s Clusterfook Nation
March 31, 2008
Upscale
Things continue to slip, slide, and shift strangely Out There.
Last Wednesday, a bunch of peeved mortgagees protesting government favoritism in the Bear Stearns case entered the lobby of the company’s (soon-to-be-former) headquarters building in midtown Manhattan. While it might not seem like much, I view the symbolic “penetration” of this corporate stronghold as the very first sign of a much broader citizen revolt against the extraordinary protections being shown to crapped-out investment banker boyz — at the expense of millions of equally crapped-out poor shlubs facing the default and re-po of their McDwelling places.
Occupying an office building lobby peacefully in broad daylight is one thing. Wait until summer gets underway and The New York Post gossip page resumes its coverage of hijinks in the Hamptons. The executives of Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan / Chase, and other dealers in fraudulent securities, plus the art world and show biz glitteratti who party together out there, might all find themselves the object of considerable grievance and resentment as the beaching season ramps up, and the limos roll around the charity lobster roasts, and the guests stray down the lawns, chardonays in hand, to plot divorce from their over-leveraged husbands…. God knows what seekers-of-vengence will be creepy-crawling the privet plantings along Gin Lane in the crepuscular gloom, searching for trophy wives to garrote.
Perhaps a bankrupt landscaping contractor from Lake Ronkonkoma, recently stiffed by a hedge fund manager over the installation of a half acre of pachysandra, will be arrested on the Wantagh Highway with blood on his sleeves and a high-C piano wire in his pocket. The non-Hampton precincts of Long Island, which make up more than 90 percent of the fish-shaped appendage to New York State, will be full of angry re-po victims, and the Hamptons lie at the very dead-end tail of the geographical fish. Will the banker boyz attempt to flee by yacht? And where might they escape to? Newport, Rhode Island? Labrador. . . ?
I maintain, of course, that the media (and the public itself) has no idea how quickly things might get weird in this country — or how weird they might get.
you and us?
April 1 (Bloomberg) — UBS AG, battered by the biggest writedowns from the collapse of the U.S. subprime mortgage market, reported a 12 billion-franc ($11.9 billion) first-quarter loss and said Chairman Marcel Ospel will step down.
http://tinyurl.com/3bmdsz
This is fantastic news! I’m not really sure why, just that it is really good news for the World economy.
I have been hearing some fast and furious spinning on this topic this morning. On the DC news radio station, WTOP, they’ve had commentators report that this is a good sign because it signals the last of the subprime losses, and that’s why the stock market will gain ground on this news.
Uh… what? Credit Suisse reset chart? Alt-A? Resets all this year?
Seems like some connected PR departments are really earning their pay this morning.
“the last of the subprime losses”! Hoo hooo haa haa!!! ROFL!!!
I missed that report this morning. Good thing, or I’d have been laughing so hard I’d have run my car off the road!
The Washington Post has an article on this as well. Some of the logic is included in the first page, listed below
“LONDON (Reuters) - UBS and Deutsche Bank took a $23 billion hit on their risky assets and the Swiss bank asked investors for more cash on Tuesday, but Europe’s bank shares rallied on hopes that the end of another torrid quarter could mark a turning point.
UBS (UBSN.VX) unveiled a $19 billion writedown to double its losses on the value of toxic assets and became the hardest hit bank from the U.S. subprime crisis and subsequent credit crunch. It also parted company with its chairman and said it will hive off ailing businesses into a separate unit.
“The one saving grace in this is that banks are acting quickly to highlight their exposure,” said Peter Dixon, economist at Commerzbank. “The quicker the bad news is out in the open, then the quicker we can start to repair the problems.”
“The Japanese crisis of the early 1990s was exacerbated by the failure of banks to admit the degree of their problems,” he noted.
News that UBS is seeking to raise 15 billion francs ($15 billion) through a rights issue in a second emergency attempt to shore up its balance sheet was not a surprise, but the scale of the capital-raising was more dramatic than many expected.
Its shares leapt 11 percent as some viewed the bold move as more positive than smaller, regular writedowns, which one analyst had said could result in “death by a thousand cuts.”
“It’s a kitchen sink job. They’ve separated all their toxic waste. If they’re going to finance that, then everyone is saying this is the beginning of the end, this is the last capital increase,” one trader said.
By 1325 GMT the DJ Stoxx European banking sector index (.SX7P) was up 4.6percent at 359 points, its highest level for a month and 16 percent above its 3-1/2 year low two weeks ago.
Britain’s Barclays (BARC.L) and Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS.L), Italy’s Unicredit (CRDI.MI) and France’s Societe Generale (SOGN.PA) all jumped over 6 percent.
“It’s too early to say we’re definitely through the worst of this, but it would appear from the market’s reaction today to what UBS has done, and from recent interest in buying distressed assets, that maybe we can at least start to see the end of the apparent freefall in certain asset values,” said Leigh Goodwin, bank analyst at Fox-Pitt, Kelton….”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040100495.html
share the pain:
Sick as a sovereign wealth fund: how better to describe an investor who has done a very large and exceptionally badly performing deal? In the space of just a few months, SWFs from Asia and the Middle East have lost billions of dollars by recapitalising western banks. Such losses, and the rapid fall in the US currency, increase the risk that foreign investors will lose their appetite for dollar assets.
Abu Dhabi’s implied capital loss on its investment in Citigroup is about $2.5bn since last November. December’s investment in Merrill Lynch by Temasek of Singapore is off about $600m. Even that looks a lot healthier than its compatriot fund GIC, which alongside a still unnamed Saudi investor is down by about $5.5bn on its investment in UBS of Switzerland.
http://tinyurl.com/32qgfy
I don’t know if foreign investors will lose their appetite for dollar assets but they are certainly losing their dollars on bad investments, that kind of thing happens all the time. Maybe they’ll make better investments with what’s left.
great depression 2008:
We knew things were bad on Wall Street, but on Main Street it may be worse. Startling official statistics show that as a new economic recession stalks the United States, a record number of Americans will shortly be depending on food stamps just to feed themselves and their families.
http://tinyurl.com/38m9lx
About one in every six West Virginians gets food stamps, the highest level of participation in at least 30 years. Amid rising food and fuel costs, the assistance is becoming worth less and less.
http://www.dailymail.com/News/statenews/200803260077
ever been to West Virginia? Go there and you will understand.
I grew up there. Are you saying they deserve to be hungry because they were born there?
yeah, that’s what I’m saying
get a life
txchick, you sound really cruel.
But then again, I have a friend of mine who lives there and works here in the DC burbs. And I gotta say, he uh, well, he and his whole family kinda fall right into the stereotype. Only works because he needs some kind of income for beer, and then doesn’t work too hard. Complains when he has to mow the lawn more than once a month, and when he does, he has a beer cooler bolted on the lawn tractor. Wife is missing teeth, greasy hair. Exercise? Wassat? They spend the weekends watching dirt bikes race around while his house falls into ruin. Sad, but in many ways, some of the old stereotypes are kinda true.
(I also know a few folk from West Virginia pretty well who are educated, hard-working, and motivated. Oh wait, they are *from* WV and moved away. Doh! Natural selection?)
West Virginia is beautiful. Or it was before the raptor rich began lopping the tops off the mountains and filling all the valleys with sludge. The people used to be beautiful, too, even the white ones, which you gotta admit is rare in this country. I seen some people onetime there that hadn’t yet gone over to total methed-out Jessco despair and they all could have been in movies. Like Jessco, before he went over to total methed-out despair. It is not their fault their mountains turned out to have coal in them anymore than it’s the Arabs’ fault their deserts turned out to have oil under them. People don’t need to be throwing dirt on West Virginia, my God in heaven, consider your immortal soul now and then. It’d be like if you went over to one of those fly-eyed starving African children you see on the TV and poked it with a stick. Finally, if there is anybody here that thinks that Jessco is not awesome then there is something bad wrong with your brain and you should seek help before it metastasizes.
“I seen some people”? I take it that you yourself are a proud West Virginian?
Aw, bol’ your head. Why don’tcha do like that cruel chick told and git a life? Find something to do with your sorry collection of corpuscles besides pickin’ on innocents what calls it a slingblade. I done seen more people in one lazy afternoon than you seen in a whole lifetime of seein’. If you seen anything which I by God doubt.
(Nobody talks like ^. I am not trying to essentialize hillfolk or any other group, just working off the breakfast coffee. I also do not actually think anyone here should boil his head or that anyone needs to get a life or that anyone’s collection of corpuscles is sufficiently meager to demand remark.)
Like Texans are any better!
Right next to a story about Elvis being spotted living in Argentina, no doubt.
How’s that iraq war going?
Ben’s gotta start letting the trolls back on the board because we’re starting to attack each other here. Love, peace, and harmony. Love, peace and harmony.
How’s that iraq war going?
Going great- money flowing in to the defense industry at unprecedented levels, even during a recession. No end in sight. (Computer voice): “Wealth transfer complete”.
Let the bodies hit the floor….
DP
it is going well, Thanks!!
I thought I recommended to you to put your guns DOWN, Mr. Man!
“The US Department of Agriculture says the cost of feeding a low-income family of four has risen 6 per cent in 12 months.”
Only if one of the four died.
‘Only if one of the four died.’
And/or was eaten by the other three.
My mom grew up in WV in the depression.
Going for Broke
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2008/04/07/080407ta_talk_surowiecki
“Hawaii’s leaders tried to keep Aloha Airlines from shutting down, but a
bankruptcy judge said Aloha didn’t need his approval to stop passenger operations because that’s a business decision”
http://tinyurl.com/2k9guz
hmmmm… seems like the government loves to tell businesses what they can do and what they can’t…
Maybe they need something like a “dog eat dog rule” to keep all of the airlines in HI working… even the ones that cannot make a profit….
It’s so unfair….
All well, who is John Galt?
“T”
I guess Aloha was not ‘too big to fail’. Perhaps if they were a little bigger…
Maybe if it had been a 747 that had the top of its fuselage peel off during flight.
Simply amazing that the pilot was able to land that plane safely.
It was competition that did them in. Three airlines is one too many for such a small state.
BK em’, Danno
‘What he did was wrong’
2nd guilty plea entered in mortgage scam
http://tinyurl.com/3b8wy8
Trabold also said the amount of money victims lost in relation to Kartesz’s actions in the case is more than $400,000 but less than $1 million.
And this is in little Erie, PA (pop. 100k). I can only imagine the fraud that will be brought to light hopefully in the larger bubbly cities.
Crime in NW PA??? No way!!! I thought that was paradise.
No, no, you’ve got it all wrong.
Oil City = paradise
Rest of NW PA = dump
Oil City sounds so……slimy.
Silence, man! Don’t tell Bye Fl. It’ll break his pure little heart, and on his birthday, too.
Blano: Crime in NW PA??? No way!!! I thought that was paradise.
It’s gonna be rough, dodging bullets from those white collar scammers.
If we spend everything we have, we’ll avert recession:
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/Advice/WhatIfWeSpentEveryPenny.aspx
We already spend more than we have. It’s not working.
America, the land of debt.
America, the land of debt.
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You lost that title to the UK. Sorry. You’re only second best
Hair-of-the-dog cures may work on hangovers (don’t know — never get drunk), but not so sure about how they work on economies…
You give an $1,800 check to the average guy, and it’s going to look an awful lot like a wide-screen TV set to him.
Of course, wide-screen tv’s are all made in Asia, so in effect the government bailout (i.e., our tax dollars) will be stimulating the Asian economies, not our own.
I threw up a bit when I saw that article… UGH!
Today is April Fool’s Day, as one can clearly see by the Wall Street circus that they have paraded out for the day: the worst of the credit crisis is over, spending more will help an economy drowning in debt, etc. It’s almost like it is all a huge joke and tomorrow the crooks will say “April Fools!” and yet the market sky-rockets. Unreal!
Must be why the market went through the roof… something is cooking and it aint dinner for us.
The water in the pot “I” am in is getting warmer…hmmmm.
Think about it.
April fools day maybe just what WS hoped for.
What is your take, TX
By the way, it’s time for me to confess. I put a contract on a 4000 square foot McMansion (such a dirty term!) on Sunday and will take out an ARM on it. I have finally seen the error of my ways.
http://www.minyanville.com/articles/index.php?a=16503
I’ve decided we need to buy now in Brooklyn or be priced out forever.
With the dollar the way it is, the only people who are going to be able to afford Manhattan are those from other countries. That will push not only the middle class but also the affluent into the Brooklyn market.
Regardless of what happens elsewhere in the country, there is no substitute worth living in at any price difference.
So Brooklyn will end up like Germany, with children living with their parents until age 45 and saving for a house, then paying a huge share of their income for the mortgage even so. If you have two kids, one might stay forever and inherit the house.
We’ll, I’ve got two kids and they’ll need to live somewhere. I bought my rowhouse for $200K, similar ones nearby actually sold for $1 mil a year or two ago, and one is on the market down the street at $1.5 mil. So I can probably get a mortgage for $1.3 mil, and use it to buy a 2BR new condo in one of those luxury buildings next to the projects on the heaviest truck traffic street in Brooklyn. The other kid can live in the basement.
What do you think? Am I too late?
Maybe you can still get that neg-arm mortgage, you will need it in order to “afford” that condo. After all, they aren’t making any more condos! *smile*
Maybe, better get on it. Take NYC Boy with you. He’ll show you all the best condos.
So Brooklyn will end up like Germany, with children living with their parents until age 45 and saving for a house, then paying a huge share of their income for the mortgage even so. If you have two kids, one might stay forever and inherit the house.
I know a lower income family that bought their house in metro San Diego when it was affordable (a long time ago). Their only child (young adult) lives with them and will inherit the place.
Major Strasser: How about New York?
Rick: Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn’t advise you to try to invade.
Why stop at one? It’s a great investment, you should go out and buy two more! House prices are due for a rebound anyday now *snicker*
I actually may buy a house this year due to a new living situation. I’ll be needing to accomodate a disabled relative at least two weekends a month. In that event I will go for the best deal possible.
No ARM though.
Make sure the house is at least 3000 square foot because it’s cruel not to give disabled relative(s) their space.
I’m on it, Junior.
Did you ever post a link to your internet business? You may be able to suck some HBBers, um, I mean generate more business that way.
I got notice from Bill Gates that he is considering handing his Microsoft business to me in the near future. I am so excited@
Link, please
I have infected several of my children’s computers to go off today.
http://www.troika.uk.com/virus.htm
funny
only works on Apples alas.
OMFG! A McMansion *and* an ARM! Imposter! What have you done with txchick???
Actually, I see that INGDirect is offering 5/1’s for 5.25%, which is not sooooo bad, but nowhere near as good as they were a few years ago. I’ll come clean and say that I have an ARM from back in the good cheap days, and it’s saved me a pile of interest during the fixed rate period. So far, so very good.
Oh wait, it’s… what day???
What, TX is this an April fools joke?
happy birthday, Bye! have a great day.
Happy 26th birthday to me!
Happy birthday!
And on April 1, I can be 26 too. It sure beats my real age.
Hey Bye -
I don’t know you. But since it’s April Fool’s, I will give you some unsolicited advice.
Considering that all you appear to be concerned with is buying a house in NW PA, I can say say that when I was your age I was having a lot more fun.
Be a renter for the near term, for at least several years, be flexible (you can move around, correct?) and go see this country.
Go meet people all kinds of people, learn from them and their situations and become a leader. Your generation is going to need them, not unlike any other before it.
Most of all - have fun!
You’ll have plenty of time later on to buy a house… wherever it might be.
yeah, actually, I’ve been wondering why DO you want a house? Is it that essential for the biz?
What are you doing for your birthday? Does it involve cake?
Oh that’s easy. He whines about overpriced houses in Oil City, PA!
The laugh is on us. I have the distinct impression we’ve all fallen for his troll for how many weeks now?
UBS writes off $19 Billion, Deutche Bank sees $4 Billion in losses, and Lehman has to raise $3 Billion by devaluing their stock. S&P said most of the writedowns are behind us but clearly they are not.
Stocks are rallying pre-market. Might be a great opportunity to setup some shorts.
Lehman up over 7% right now in pre-market.
UBS up 7% overseas.
Kitchen sink effect: Obviously after a $19 bn writedown, all their bad news is fully priced in. (April Fools!)
‘House Stealing’ Scam Combines Identity Theft, Mortgage Fraud
http://tinyurl.com/2kyfpx
In another twist to the crime, con artists look for vacation homes or rental property to steal. They find out who owns the property, steal their identities, and follow the same steps to transfer the deed to their house into their names. In these cases, though, authorities say the con artists put the empty houses on the market and keep the proceeds from their sales.
If someone steals your car you’re likely insured, but if someone steals your house? I
If they put the houses in their own names…doesn’t that narrow down the list of suspects????
What am I missing here?
Expanded Powers
Expanded Powers
http://www.stockmania.com/?q=node/4664
Funny, except it also makes me sick. I am going back to bed now.
Don’t go back to bed, this looks like it’s going to be a good thread!
A commenter at KB’s new toon said:
“The sheeple reminds me of your typical Orange County resident. They actually think home equity is a permanent thing that never changes.”
Typical in San Francisco, too - especially so if one is under 45 and a used house salesperson!
How about $2 a share.
http://www.stockmania.com/?q=node/4076
Short Term Auction Facility…
http://www.stockmania.com/?q=node/3967
Check out AMbac and MBIA…
AAA ratings LOL…
http://www.stockmania.com/?q=node/3192
Here is project lifeline. Ok I am done. You can find more on there.
http://www.stockmania.com/?q=node/2177
Happy birthday Bye! I enjoy your posts. I live in Atlanta but was born and raised in Fla. and I love Florida. I tried to live in Tampa but wages are too low and Fla. is too expensive for everything. I live in a nice suburb of Atlanta (only 11 miles from downtown). I feel very safe here and there are good jobs.
Thanks! Even Atlanta is too expensive for me and I am self employed so I don’t need local jobs. I am moving to where theres almost no jobs so house prices are cheap for me
You dont want to be a hermit though. If you live near a big city like Atlanta there will be more options for romance and meeting friends with similar interests. Assuming it’s true you are only 26, dont throw in the towel yet.
Ill consider Atlanta if you can find a safe suburb(must have public transportation and very low crime) and find me affordable rent based on 125x what house prices would be at bottom. If a landlord is renting a $200k house that is really only worth $100k, the fair rent would be $800/month for his house. Of couse I would need help finding a roommate unless my dad or some of you subsidize the rent as that rent takes way over 25% of my income.
I live in Atlanta as well. Before moving here I read over and over how affordable the city was. But it’s not really. If you want to live intown, in a safe area, Atlanta is incredibly expensive.
If you want to live 30 miles away in some dull subdivision with a 2 hour commute to work every day, you’ll find plenty of cheap houses. Same goes for houses/apartments where the sound of gunfire will soothe you into the evening. Either one of those two options could be free and I wouldn’t want one, each to his own though.
I’m just saying don’t expect to come to Atlanta and rent a 2 bedroom in Buckhead or Midtown for $600, it ain’t happening. And in Atlanta the terms “suburb” and “public transportation” are not uttered in the same breath.
I used to own a bungalow in Morningside. The intown areas have gone crazy in price. Further out areas like Smyrna are still cheap compared to similar places in other cities of the same size, however. Not exactly the most trendy, cultured or exciting area, but compared to Oil City, PA, its a major improvement, and only 20 minutes away from Midtown and Buckhead non-rush hour. You are correct though in that the suburbs have no public transportation.
“In Beverly Hills, the number of mansions for sale is conspicuous. Even a design house built last year has a For sale sign in its drive. The owner Harash is having trouble finding a buyer. Even after drastically lowering the asking price.”
“‘It was 2.4 I think, but it came down to 1.5. Well, for this property and the size and the way they built it, it’s a great prize, but there are so many big houses. You know, Malibu, Beverly Hills, so people have a lot of options for the same price,’ said Harash.”
Wow I am shocked and amazed that even this rich enclave isn’t “different
after all! But I still wonder when Gainesville, FL will start seeing big drops as well as in other states.
Well I was waiting for the Florida thread, but here are the FAR (Florida Area Realtors) sales stats for February (and prior). SF houses & Condos are on separate sheets.
http://media.living.net/statistics/statisticsfull.htm
Sales and median prices (MLS sales) down in pretty much all of Florida, including Gainesville. Lots of double-digit drops.
You are right, however I am hoping for much, much, much bigger drops. Gainesville now costs more than PSL and many Gainesville houses are $125/foot
Just wait calmly. It will happen–maybe in time for your next birthday or maybe the one after that. Too many condos, FSBO signs everywhere, desperate, hand-lettered advertisements for everything from firewood to carpet steamers showing up on the side of the road in formerly stable neighborhoods. It is looking like _Roger and Me_. We are about to freefall.
Gainesville is still in la-la land. I annoyed some people on the bus (not my bus–I was going home, only did 4 hours today on route 12; it was pretty sweet) by telling them that Florida was going down the drain, just like Ohio, and that Gainesville was next.
Gainesville is enjoying a nice “overhang” but there are already signs of desperation everywhere: every other car has a “for sale” sign, FSBO’s tacked up in community bulletin boards (at prices no-one can afford), boats for sale, motorcycles for sale, and Winn Dixie had a “manager’s special” sale on cheap chicken parts at the end of the month, so apparently people are cutting back on protein because money is tight.
There is a lot of commercial construction going on, but when they finish up this summer, that’s it. The illegal mexicans will go bye-bye, the workers from Orlando and Tampa will likely go home (no work there either, though) and we will have another miserable summer for retailers and restaurants. Who knows, maybe the LL’s will wise up and lower commercial rents.
Nahhhh.
“Winn Dixie had a ‘manager’s special’” Oh YEAH, the wings signs! I saw those! Somebody magic markered “We got cheap wings!!” or something like that on some fluorescent green posterboard and put the signs up on main street and 16th avenue to try to pull in traffic, and they’ve been there for a week or so. Winn Dickie must be deserted. If that and the huge uptick in garage saleage are not reliable signs that things in G’ville are turning southward fast, I don’t know what you’d need to see. A convocation of unemployed realtors grilling a puppy on a trash barrel fire?
Mmmmm puppy, the other white meat.
Isn’t Gainesville just like Malibu?
There may be some rural areas in N. Fla. that are reasonable.
I checked, they still want $50k to $100k for a shack and it’s more rural than NW PA.
Apr 2, 2008
THE BEAR’S LAIR
Only the money is cheap
By Martin Hutchinson
Perhaps this explains why short bears are so happy these days?
Blame Game: The ‘Uptick’ Rule Debate
By Gregory Zuckerman
Word Count: 934 | Companies Featured in This Article: Bear Stearns, CIT Group, MBIA, Ambac Financial Group
With the stock market posting its worst quarter in six years, an obscure change in how stocks are traded is the subject of a nasty debate on Wall Street, with one side blaming the switch for everything from increased volatility to the collapse of Bear Stearns and the other side dismissing those critics as fools and worse.
I think the bear market of 2000-2003 would have been over a lot quicker if the uptick rule had been abolished.
“‘Three years ago, you saw a really nice occasion. Young couples were happy about getting a house,’ Sessums said, adding details on loan terms are often overlooked — buried inside ‘an inch- to an inch-and-a-half-thick’ stack of paperwork when people sign for a house.”
I remember those times. People were telling me to go ahead and buy a $200k house on a $30k salary and that I could “afford” it. Those days, it seemed that everyone got their house like it was a constitutional right.
I agree with the constitutional right idea. Even today, a home ownership is not a goal it’s a deserved entitlement just like safe drinking water.
April 1 (Bloomberg) — Corporate treasurers are increasing sales of long-term investment-grade bonds for the first time in a decade, a sign they’re betting U.S. borrowing costs will rise as the Federal Reserve slows the pace of interest-rate cuts.
I would lock in a 30 yr now if I had a mortgage
If interest rates go up, housing prices will crash.
Oops — let me restate that: If interest rates go up, housing prices will crash faster.
Yes i beleive it. Banks will borrow cheap from uncle ben and lend dear to Joe 6pak. Got to make up billions in loses.
If the housing market bottomed out at affordable prices, banks could do very well going forward, as there would be many qualified buyers and little risk in making loans on homes the buyers could afford. But we are not there yet.
That’s why right now is the time to prepare so that one doesn’t need the pigmen’s loans anytime soon.
Hardly the time to take out 40 yr. mortgages and 84 mo. car loans - unless of course one really does want to play a role in the banks’ “bailout”.
Cold gold
Uncle Buck is up off the mat today — no fooling!
METALS STOCKS
Gold futures tumble 3% as dollar soars
Other metals also fall sharply; platinum futures plunge 7%
By Polya Lesova, MarketWatch
Last update: 9:55 a.m. EDT April 1, 2008
And most commodities. It looks like the banks are getting their loses under control with the help of cheap Government money?
I guess now we all get a Recession. Maybe the dollar is done crashing for awhile but at these very low rates I don’t know what supports it? What do you think of Gnma funds? Pay about 5%. Might get hurt if rates go up thats bad, but pay 5% thats good.
Jim Sinclair at jsmineset.com is putting his money where his mouth is.
“Gold will trade at $1650 before the second week of January 2011. I am offering a $1,000,000USD wager with a financially qualified party that this will occur.”
Who is Jim Sinclair? I am guessing he may turn out to be the Iben Browning of speculative markets.
“Mr. Gold” of the 1980’s (he sold a zillion contracts at the top).
Took profits and created a Tanzania-based mining company, Tanzanian Royalty Exploration Corp. (TRE), now with a similar biz model to Royal Gold. Stock used to trade for ~$0.25.
I noticed he did not say Gold will be at or above $1650 in the second week of January 2011. It could be back in the $400 range by then & he might still win his wager as long as the price hit $1650 before the deadline.
Same type of ‘bet’ I made with my dentist in 2/06 for spot close at/above $1000 any time by 2/10 (but on a much smaller scale).
If it goes to 400, I’m going to buy a ton of it and replace my countertops.
Bwa hahaha hah ha ah a choke gasp
Bouncing on the 38.2 retrace (and 100 dma) from Aug 07 low/Mar 08 high. Lots of support at this level. Good low risk entry point PB. Stops at 85.
I’ll buy if gold crashes below $700/oz. Otherwise, the market is all yours to buy up.
Yesterday you said you would never buy. Change of heart?
I try to keep my heart out of investing decisions (difficult though it is for a man to do).
Keep me informed PB; you are my contrary indicator.
Don’t count on it. When and if I do buy yellow metal is my business. But I will have the good grace to tell you when I think you are getting irrationally exuberant.
Good for day: one Gold Comex JUN 2012 1400 call at Black-Scholes 94 ($9400).
Would you take delivery or sell the contract? Just curious.
For this one, I’d take (’stand for’) delivery.
It’s pretty cool to hold 100oz, and not that easy to carry - it’s a pretty dense block,in contrast to Hollywood movies where it gets stuffed in a canvas backback with one hand.
I recall 200-300 oz of gold could buy a nice house.
Here’s a chart for a house in ounces of gold during the gold bubble-antibubble period, ranging between 100oz and 800oz.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/772/chart3pt8.gif
No fill.
Try not to catch yourself a falling knife with a golden blade.
Yes I know about that
- my very real excuse for not ‘lending’ my cousin $60,000.
That’s why my bid-to-open is for buying a way-out-of-the-money (WOOM) call in 2012, and not selling an at-the-money put today.
Might be painful but you will be rich lol!
Since this has been a topic of discussion here on HBB, I thought this might be of interest.
“US doctors support universal health care - survey”
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN31432035
Just like Big Pharma supports Medicare Part D
I guess the doctors are seeing two possible outcomes:
1) Business as usual, which means more and more people will be uninsured and thus not have a family doctor. This means fewer customers. Yes, I know that most MD’s do truly care about their patients health, but they have bills to pay.
2) National health. Theis means that they will be paid less per office visit, but the patients will still come.
A prediction- more doctors will become involved with neighborhood centered urgent care as this socialist HMO system continues to break down. They can still make money, be close to home, and not have to deal with the riff-raff if they choose wisely. We went to one just a few months ago and got yelled at by the general surgeon at the hospital which we got tranferred to (forgive the grammar). Anyway, the irony of the situation was that their own ER was crammed with folks who didn’t speak English and the parking lot was the scene of a domestic dispute that had the security guards earning their money that night. We had pre-admittance to the hospital because the private ER doctor got us in. When it’s your life you’re dealing with, politics and public policy become all too REAL. Again, ironically, I heard some whiney TV story yesterday that recounted the woes of local hospitals bemoaning the fact that their middle-class (paying) customers are abandoning their (wait for hours) ER rooms and are frequenting private neighborhood ER’s, causing them a considerable amount of chagrin due to the fact that the remaining customers are rather indigent. The physician that took care of my husband told me that one of the reasons he left hospital care was because, as an ER doc, he once saw someone with chest pain after that person had waited 18 hours!
Based on 2 MDs yesterday who told me, the client load was way off,particularly for this time of yr. And that the ins co.s were making it impossible to get payment for services rendered. Therefore,many MDs etc were going Cash. Which will also reduce patient load as well.
Gotta lov it! The Brit’s ‘The Independent World’ publishes the headline “USA 2008: The Great Depression”. “Food stamps are the symbol of poverty in the US. In the era of the credit crunch, a record 28 million Americans are now relying on them to survive – a sure sign the world’s richest country faces economic crisis”
Sure to raise the hackles of the MSM.
The foodstamp stories are being buried by the MSM.
Foodlatelist
_________________
Philatelist: Noun
1. A collector and student of postage stamps.
Where the heck do the Brits get all their food? Aren’t they the most obese nation in the world? Pot-Kettle I say.
Hell that country is just as if not worse than the US when it comes to entitled fatties…..
That’s only about 10% of the population… oh, wait - that is BAD!!!
Great Depression II loaded and ready for takeoff…
http://tinyurl.com/26txv3
More begging for a bailout from Bill Gross. There have been some stories circulating that Pimco bought a significant chunk of Alt-A paper from UBS. Does anyone know if there is any substance to this? If it’s true it explains why he has been asking for government help for months.
not only that, Bill the Pimp positioned his company for strongly declining rates last year and lost a huge amount of money with that gamble; that didn’t work out so well because will the FED rate fell of a cliff, long term rates did not follow. Of course he is too big to fail just like BS, so why worry …
This Market Rally today and like other rallies lately is like “patting yourself on the back”. UNS writing off 19 Billion! Lehman raises cash to quell critics!? Aren’t these bad news. To me it is. But for Wall STreet, it’s goodnews…..
I think UBS and Lehman is in big trouble.
“On the edges of popular Middle Tennessee communities — Brentwood, Hendersonville and Franklin — the Dallas-based homebuilder is forging ahead with a strategy that takes aim at the market for homes priced at $250,000 and below, a portion of the local market it views as underserved.”
“‘We’re servicing the family buyer,’ said Wes Patterson, the company’s division president. ‘Our price points start in the 130s ($130,000). … It’s difficult to match that price in the places where we’re building.’”
“Often ignored during the housing boom, these lower-priced homes could now become a potential life buoy for the struggling construction industry, some believe.”
“Two years ago luxury homes priced at $500,000 and above drove Nashville’s construction market, as homeowners stretched their finances or cashed in on rising prices to move into fancier abodes.”
My comment: Lots of FB’s and their half million mcmansions. $250k is still not affordable unless you are upper middle class. I wonder how much house you get for $130k in central TN because I can get a 2000 square foot 4/2/2 house in east central Florida for around $150k. That would be a $110k house in most of Texas!
Real estate has now bottomed out and will do nothing but go up.
Ahh yes, the obligatory April Fools Day post.
And so has the dollar, right? Up, up, and away!!
Record 24th Straight Drop in Housing Pushes Overall Construction Down in February
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080401/economy.html
Residential construction fell by 0.9 percent in February. Residential activity has fallen every month since March 2006, a record period of declines that underscored the severe downturn going on in housing.
The markets seems thrilled with the news and are up substantially. I’m confused again…
The markets seem to do very well on days when multi-billion dollar IB writedowns are announced. But it is hard to test this hypothesis, as there have been so very many such days since last August.
That must be the case PB, since the rest of the headlines don’t look bullish to me:
Celent: 200,000 US Banking Jobs at Risk- AP Manufacturing, Construction Weaken- AP
Ford, Toyota US Sales Down in March- AP
Goldman Analyst Expects More Write-Downs- AP
UBS Will Write Down $19 Billion- AP
Happy April Fool’s day everyone.
Just launched my webpage this morn. Seemed like a good day for it.
‘Just launched my webpage this morn’
Well, I want to see your webpage, losty, but the link on your name won’t work. How about you post a link.
Ok, ill help Lost in Utah out. Here are the links. I like whoever made those websites.
http://www.drdaveanddee.com/headache.html
http://www.lightedcandle.org/1.asp
http://www.ktk.ru/~cm/diseases.htm
It looks like the post didn’t go, so will try again:
yellowcatbooks at yahoo dot com
and Oly, I’m in price!
oh man, I screwed that up, shld be yellowcatbooks dot com
April fools?
Ok, ill help Lost in Utah out. Here are the links. I like whoever made those websites.
www dot drdaveanddee dot com/headache dot html
www dot lightedcandle dot org/1 dot asp
www dot ktk dot ru/~cm/diseases dot htm
dot = .
Nevermind, the above live link post finally came thru. Great websites, Lost in Utah or whoever made them
Bye FL,
not into weird stuff, take a hike
Lost -
Bye is too busy to take a hike. Haven’t you heard? He has caught Bill Gates’ attention. I’ll bet that at this very moment the two of them are huddled together, making websites and planning Microsoft’s relocation from Washington to Oil City, PA.
LOL!!! Will be glad to tell Bye G’bye.
Hey, those aren’t mine - mine’s http://www.yellowcatbooks.com for real, not April Fool’s… (thanks, Ben)
http://www.jerrysintz.com/index.html
This photo from Lost In Utah’s super artist,Jerry Sintz, is how we must all look..fighting, watching, waiting..while we blog.
Great site, Lost. Nice art and artists/writers.
Thanks, made my day, esp. after ByeFl’s juvenile nonsense.
We must be forgiving, because Bye IS, in fact, juvenile. Plus, it’s his birthday, and I bet that he very stupidly ignored my earlier posted good advice and did not spend this special day sinning. A day wasted, is what I say.
“There is nothing in the dark that isn’t there when the lights are on.”
Rod Serling
How about fear, and screaming; that’s in the dark. And a really fast moving mummy, who can hide in the closet quickly? Because that’s in the dark, and isn’t there when the lights are on, unless you go looking for your umbrella, and then…hoo boy!
Rob Serling has lost my respect, now, from that statement.
Ha ha - got to be a Jack Handey - right?
Nope. I just know some fast mummies.
Got title insurance?
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s_559993.html
“Lower Burrell attorney Gino Peluso said the situation facing the condo owners boggles his mind.
“I couldn’t understand how this was happening,” he said, “unless (the owners) didn’t go through a standard closing. It seems grossly unfair. How can you do that to somebody who’s paying the mortgage on their property?”
First house price drop in 8 years in South Africa. Median prices down 5.2% from March last year.
What all the cries for more regulation really mean:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/henry-blodget/what-all-these-cries-for-_b_94415.html
It worked for the cc companies, they got what they wanted. The downside is, mr. debt laden consumer will be hobbled for years.
“The consumers are maxed out” It’s an overused term but they really are in my neck of the woods. They’re either using Foodstamp debit cards or trying 2 or 3 credit cards at the checkout counter - for as little as $5-6 dollars in purchases. Cash only has its restrictions (like when ya run out :D), but it really simplifies things.
and I lost to 48 other bidders for a Chopard watch last night.
it is really bifurcated
(John Cleese accent) Terribly sorry old girl, I cahn’t SPELL “Chopard”…
Not to be an@l or anything but what neighborhood would that be?
Sorry, my clairvoyance meter broke this morning.
Small town Alabama - 1 Wally World, 1 Food World - ummmm… Yep, that’s about it. Unless you want to drive 60 - 90 miles in all directions
Dothan?
Smack in the “Black Belt” (refers to the color of the soil, not the inhabitants)… It’s great micro example of what is happening to our country on the macro level. Almost too depressing to watch. Some of the mainstream academics, media types, and pols ought to come here to see the future of what they hath wrought for the rest of us.
And @ some point when the corp’se math-wizards figure out that your lil’ burb isn’t profitable anymore, they pull up stakes and vamoose…
Heheh… Too late - the damage has already been done - the local mom and pops (who were charging outrageous prices because they could) are out of business. The WallyWorld here stocks only the highest margin items because they can (think 3 premium vacuum bags @ $5.49 instead of 5 cheap ones @ 98cents) We’re a gold mine for Bentonville, but it’s still far better than the captive audience prices that existed before WM. Even the Foodworld had to improve or die. Good and Bad as always, Yin and Yan.
Once the corp’se leaves, you got bupkis.
Yeah, from growing up in a small town most don’t realize how bad things were before Wal-Mart. If you wanted something not carried by the local merchants (which was most everything) then it usually meant a trip to the Sears & Roebuck store to order it out of the catalog (they didn’t really stock much at these stores, just had the catalogs on the counter) and then wait a couple weeks for it to come in. Before the internet and Wal-Mart it was really an entirely different world in small town America, makes me sound old but I just happened to be a kid right at the tail end of that era. I am not a fan of the Wal-Mart corporation by any means but I can also see that there HAVE actually been some positive benefits.
On the other hand, most of the things you would order from Sears or buy in the mom and pop stores were actually made in America, and often what you were ordering or buying was a part to fix something that had broken - rather than throwing the whole thing away and replacing it. While it did provide a wider array of goods for people to have access to, Wal-Mart also did a lot to introduce even the most remote and rural areas of the country to the conspicuous consumption consumer lifestyle.
Yin and yang - you are so right.
http://autos.aol.com/article/news/_a/oldsmobile-returns/20080331143109990001?AOLCOMMautodynlsec0004
Minor pet peeve, “…clerk at the copyright office…” The copyright office has NOTHING to do with trademarks. The Patent and Trademark Office OTOH… It’s in the names people…
Toyota just lost whatever green cred it might have had from the Prius.
Read to the end of the article… it says:
APRIL FOOLS!!!!!
Gotcha!
Yeah, I know, but that steamed me anyway. I mean, they’re not even in the same BRANCH of government people.
food ration:
NEW YORK — A BB&T Capital Markets analyst said Monday corn rationing may be necessary this year, following a U.S. Department of Agriculture report predicting farmers would plant far fewer acres of corn in 2008.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/5662307.html
Hmmm, I just bought cornmeal AND frozen corn yesterday (to make turkey soup with corn and cheddar dumplings, mmm).
Think I can flip ‘em?
I bought masa to make the tortillas for my tacos al pastor… Add some beans on the side and I’ve got a good and cheap protein source.
Well, let’s not make tacos and dumplings, Jwhite. We can get rich re-selling our corn. We just have to work our friends and family into a panic about the corn rationing, form a National Association of Corn and then lend them money to buy the corn…
Wait, this is too complicated. I’ll make the dumplings and use the leftover cornmeal to make cornbread & chili. I think it will be easy to talk my husband into that plan!
You’re right! I’ll hold it in storage as my capital base for the leveraging I’m going to do when this thing goes through the ceiling! Good idea. Whoo Hooo (Homer Simpson).
A love letter for David Cee
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chip-collis/top-10-myths-keeping-hill_b_94207.html
I think we can all agree Hillary is a frightening slice of toast. You need to direct your bile in a more Obama-ly direction.
McCAIN TO CAMPAIGN AT BURNING MAN
“Phoenix, AZ — Senator and presumptive Republican Presidential nominee John McCain has rocked the political world by announcing his intention to bring his campaign to Nevada’s Black Rock Desert this summer, during the counter-cultural art event known as Burning Man.”
“While our opponents would callously ignore them, this proud American believes that even temporary cities deserve the attention of the President of the United States,” said McCain senior staffer Mark Dosenberner. “We are proud that Black Rock City will be a stop on the ‘Straight Talk Express’ tour this summer.”
http://www.burningman.com/news/080401_mccain.html
Is he looking really really old lately or what?
At some point he will need a walker and a horn for hearing.
Haha!
APRIL FOOLS - and I claim my 5 pounds (sterling).
“Mark Dosenberner”
Ready and waiting.
Obama bowling a 37 in Pennsylvania has to hurt. Worst hand-eye coordination ever in the oval office? And what’s with so many presidents being left-handers - this’d make three out of the last four - McCain is also a lefty, as many Republicans have noticed.
Lefty follow-up: Just did a little research. It’s even more preponderant than I thought. Ford was a lefty, Perot was a lefty (1992 was a three-way lefty contest), Truman was a lefty, and even Reagan was a closet lefty. (He slapped Angie Dickinson with his left hand in the film “The Killers,” something no natural right-hander would do.)
The dude only finished 1st in his Harvard Law School class, amongst other accomplishments…
I suppose you are going to write in Earl Anthony(lefty), for President?
Would love to see a citation for 1st in his law school class.
Follow-up: Don’t bother, alad, you won’t find one. He graduated magna cum laude which isn’t even the highest designation (summa cum laude is).
Oh, well, top 10% or #1 in his class, what difference does it make, I’m just passing along what I heard at the local diner.
C’mon, you can be good at every single sport in the world.
He doesn’t seem to suck so badly at basketball. Lets see how good Hillary is at Teh Hoops.
And - enough of the leftist talk!
We live quietly amongst you…..
Is the stock market rally today an april fools joke?
feels like it.
plenty more coming (IMO) the polar opposite of Q1
Do you think we retrace the entire move to 1576?
You called it again
You also got me to shell out the $$ for Coop and B&B!!
Thanks for the tip txchick
No, probably not (1576) but maybe close to 1500. We’ll see. Again, when the time comes to short again, nobody will want to.
Sure they will, but they won’t have any bullets left!
Pullback to 1350 a tradeable long position?
When you have the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Fed) in charge of the markets, how can you lose?
Google and Virgin announce project Virgle to colonize mars. Buy Mars land or be priced out forever!
http://www.google.com/virgle/index.html
Something with a pool, please.
NEW YORK (AP) — Further weakness in the manufacturing sector and construction industry underscored concerns that the U.S. economy has fallen into recession, though most analysts believe a downturn will be mild and relatively short-lived.
Is it just me or are these the same analysts that thought the housing burst was contained and would not impact other aspects of the economy… message today: don’t worry it will be short lived and please we beg you to invest in the market. It just went up ~300 points today, it’s a good time to buy.
Blame it on the Shorts: The Saga Continues
11:56:43 AM April 1st, 2008
The latest buzz is that the shorts conspired to drive down the stock of Lehman Brothers. A story in today’s Wall Street Journal today says the company has met with the SEC trying to track down rumors of its imminent (before Monday’s $3 billion preferred share sale) demise.
…
Lehman may not have been the riskiest, but away from conspiracy theories, its fundamentals were clearly fair game for short-sellers, especially in an environment like this. Could there have been a conspiracy among shorts? Sure – the same way there might have been a conspiracy among longs when critics of financial stocks were being dismissed as crackpots as the current crisis was evolving. (Not that anybody would cry conspiracy when stocks are rising.)
Look who is wearing the tinfoil hat now. (Rhymes with full, not with fair…)
Apologies if already posted.
Down the Rabbit Hole
Also hurried too much to post - It’s from 2006.
Oops!
What is going on with the Market today?
TX chk and hoz , pb, etc got any insight to this situation?
Just spoke with a cpl of MDs yesterday who said business was off, traffic was down. And lease space for said MDs were being raised.
But what is going on with the market?
I am quite certain it has nothing to do with the renewed Senatorial push for mortgage XXXXXXXs.
(April Fools!)
How much longer will these fellows be able to keep ignoring the affordability elephant in the room?
Reed argued that the bill is needed to help stabilize the housing market.
“We are seeing an economy that is sliding into recession,” he said. “Now, with declining housing values, American families are being squeezed dramatically.” The bill would “provide the surge of confidence to the economy, which is a key factor in beginning the recovery,” he said. “This legislation, if enacted, would help families keep their homes.”
Rookie mistake!
Do not confuse the stock market with any semblance of reality. The equity markets are a dream or a nightmare. They are returning to normalcy, they go up they go down. (With a very slight bias to the up.)
Ha!
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/04/internet-hoax-g.html
Change-my-name-to-Curmudgeon Dept.: God, how I hate April Fool’s Day. Are we done with the stupid holidays yet already? (Another good call, BTW, chick.)
“Traders are so stupid”, said Doug Kass bearishly.
Every now and then the bears get caught in a trap and poof.
“Prophesy all you want, but always hedge.” some Supreme Court judge- Oliver W. Holmes- I think?
My retirement is subject to the whims of idiots.
“Ha!”
Here I had thought the market rallied because I bought the dip yesterday. (April Fools — again!)