Too Many Dogs And Not Enough Bones
The Sun Herald reports from Florida. “Tern Bay Golf & Country Club Resort, the first phase of a 1,789-acre, 1,810-home development, is now owned by the landscaper. And Scott Hawkins will sell it to you, to anyone, for the $300,000 he’s owed on the stalled project. One caveat: ‘You can’t build a house, can’t get a permit, can’t do anything until this thing is settled,’ he said. ‘There are a lot of people who are owed a lot more money than I am. I was just the one who got the ball rolling.’”
“Its 18-hole golf course is closed and only 14 homes were built before the project simply stopped last summer. Tern Bay LLC signed Lennar Corp. as its sole builder. Lot sales were coordinated by Priority Developers Inc. In August, Lennar dropped out.”
“‘Lennar’s deal allowed them to abandon the project and forfeit their $10 million deposit,’ said Ross McIntosh, a Naples land broker. ‘So Lennar went home,’ he continued, ‘leaving Priority holding a $100 million bag, which it didn’t remotely have the means to sustain.’”
“Sarasota developer Pat Neal said whoever steps in will seek a renegotiable bargain. The project ‘is actively for sale and will be sold 30 to 40 cents to the dollar,’ he said. ‘It will come back with another developer as a new project’ no sooner than 2013.”
“Until then, Griffith Construction Inc. President Bill Griffith said, ‘I feel sorry for the one person living there.’”
The Herald Tribune from Florida. “Last month, Palmetto developer and home builder David P. Lewis defaulted on four loans from Naples-based Orion Bank totaling $12.5 million. Three of the loans were taken out by Lewis’ company, Manatee Moccasin Wallow Inc., to finance a 40-acre development in Palmetto that Lewis bought for $3.4 million during the real estate boom and where he planned to build 96 single-family homes.”
“The fourth loan, for $4.8 million, was secured by Lewis’ Palmetto Estates, a 56-acre housing development in Palmetto.”
“Like so many other builders and developers, Lewis suffered from declining sales in the post-boom environment. He sold 57 homes in 2005, 35 homes in 2006 and 26 in 2007. So far in 2008, he has only sold three, court records show.”
“Early last year, Lewis attempted to sell off his 96-unit Manatee Moccasin Wallow development as well as a 284-unit town house project he had planned near U.S. 301 and Interstate 75 for $9.9 million, but he was unsuccessful.”
“Sarasota artist Erez Back has defaulted on five loans totaling $3.1 million since November 2006. Three of the loans, totaling $1.36 million, are payable to the Bank of New York. The other two, totaling $1.74 million, are owed to US Bank.”
“Back bought a house in Sarasota for $175,000 in June 2002. He then bought four more properties during the boom for $3.1 million. Back could not be reached for comment.”
“Drive down any Sarasota street these days, and it seems the path is dotted with for-sale signs. Those homes on the market just may have a new owner: the bank.”
“‘Our sellers of tomorrow are the banks,’ said Kathy Marlowe, of Keller Williams Realty, who estimated the majority of her sales in the coming year could be bank-owned property.”
“Marlowe and four other partners have formed a new real estate team dedicated to foreclosures. The newly minted ‘Florida Foreclosure Team’ will be starting guided tours that highlight area properties that banks are hoping to jettison.”
“‘The homes in foreclosure are really all over the board,’ said Marci Walker of Blue Skye Lending, including everything from million-dollar waterfront condos to modest properties.”
The Bradenton Herald from Florida. “While the tour is a good way to raise awareness, Mike Rahn, mortgage lender at CNL Bank. said many of those looking to buy short sale or foreclosure properties aren’t being realistic. Some offers the banks receive are so low that they are not even taking them despite the state of the market and not wanting to be property owners.”
“‘I don’t think there’s any magic bullet, I think it’s just going to have to run its course,’ Rahn said. ‘I think we’re going to be in ‘09 before we see a real recovery.’”
“According to Manatee County Clerk of Circuit Court records, there were 427 foreclosures in March, more than any single month in 2007 and so far in 2008. Experts believe that things may get worse before they get better.”
“‘There’s still an awful lot of adjustable mortgages out there and we’re told that more will be resetting this year,’ said Carol Ciarniello, executive director of the Center for Financial Independence.”
“Ciarniello has seen a decrease in the number of people turning to the organization for help to save their homes. She’s unsure if the change is because there are more investors in trouble or if people are just too scared or embarrassed to reach out for help.”
The Palm Beach Post from Florida. “With a growing number of homeowners having trouble keeping up with their mortgage payments, the city on Monday announced a $1 million program to try to forestall foreclosures.”
“For some qualified homeowners, the city will offer up to $10,000 in emergency assistance to pay arrearages. Nearly 2,000 homes in the city are in ‘pre-foreclosure,’ city officials said”.
The Sun Sentinel from Florida. “In February, more than 1,700 Palm Beach County homeowners were at least 90 days late on their mortgage payments and were in danger of losing their homes to lenders, according to Realestat.com. That’s more than double the number of people facing Foreclosure in the same month last year.”
“Broward County had more than 2,200 homeowners in danger of Foreclosure in February, also more than double the number a year ago.”
“The United Way of Palm Beach County and other agencies sponsored a one-day seminar in February in Boynton Beach designed to help homeowners facing Foreclosure. The keynote speaker was HUD Secretary Alphonso Jackson, who announced his resignation Monday.”
“‘The housing crisis has been a powerful, staggering shock to our economy,’ Jackson told the crowd of more than 400. ‘Millions of homeowners have felt it. … The ripple effect touches financial institutions and governments everywhere.’”
“It’s a clear morning on Fort Lauderdale Beach ‘It’s the perfect storm,’ Eric Kozlowski said.”
“Inside Primanti Brothers Pizzeria, Kozlowski, who’s cooking at the grill, wasn’t talking about the weather. Rather, the perfect combination of factors that have small businesses on the beach reeling: the collapse of the South Florida housing market, the dramatic downturn in the national economy, the transition of Fort Lauderdale beach property from middle-class family-friendly to high-end resorts.”
“In the past, beach businesses would hope to capitalize on Spring Break to catch up. But this year, they haven’t even had much of that. ‘A few years ago, they started a campaign with a motto: Fort Lauderdale — positively posh,’ Kozlowski said. ‘Well, you can shoot a cannon ball down that beach and not hit a positively posh person.’”
“‘I won’t mention names, but I’ve been open here 38 years and have ties to a lot of the saloons and restaurants in town, and I don’t know anyone who’s doing better than breaking even,’ said Tim Schiavone, owner of another nearby beach icon, The Parrot.”
“‘I don’t know what’s going to turn it around,’ Schiavone said. ‘It seems the middle class in America is being squeezed out. And that’s my market. When your gasoline bill is up $100 a week, and electric is 40 percent higher and your condo is new on the tax rolls and insurance is higher, you’re not likely to go out to dinner.’”
“He paused for the right words. ‘Too many dogs and not enough bones.’”
The Augusta Chronicle from Georgia. “Growth in Columbia County, the fastest-growing section of the Augusta metro area, is finally starting to slow.”
“‘Columbia County is definitely holding up better than the average, but we have felt it,’ said Jim Courson, the owner of Jim Courson Realty in Martinez. ‘There’s no question about that. Any Realtor who tells you differently is lying.’”
“For those who can qualify for a mortgage, Columbia County is a buyer’s market. There are more than 1,400 homes for sale in the county, according to the Realtors association.”
“Faced with paying long-term interest on unsold new homes, many builders are discounting home prices in an effort to sell them quickly. ‘A lot of them now don’t want the cheese,’ said Johnny Hensley, a VP for ReMax of Augusta. ‘They just want to get out of the trap.’”
The Post & Courier from South Carolina. “The somber statistics measuring the housing market in Charleston just keep coming like a steady stream of termites squirming out of woodwork. Charleston-area home sales in the first two months of the year plummeted 28.5 percent from the same period of 2007.”
“And the number of properties for sale has stretched to a whopping 10,850 listings.”
“After two years of such dismal indicators, the foundation of the area real estate business is full of holes. Some say the whole works are close to collapsing. Others say it already has.”
“Jaime Banda watched his lenders ratchet up a loan agreement last year when he was trying to buy a house and his credit score faltered. Banda’s expected payment went from $1,426 a month to over $2,000.”
“Banda got a better deal when he improved his credit and eventually moved into a 1,600-square-foot house between Moncks Corner and Goose Creek in December. The property was flanked by homes for sale. Since he plunked down $175,000 for his property, prices on the neighboring homes have been cut from $259,900 to $229,000, and from $219,000 to $194,000.”
“‘I’m not going anywhere, but it makes me nervous if I had to sell,’ Banda said.”
“Dan Ravenel said the current slump is just part of a cycle, the type of free-market adjustment that he has seen a number of times in his 31 years of selling homes.”
“‘It concerns me for my clients, because I see a lot of them frustrated … but I’ve been there before and I think old folks like me weather these storms very well,’ he said. ‘We didn’t spend all our money last Christmas.’”
“Slumping sales and the subsequent media reports haven’t helped, he acknowledged, but he noted that the industry is slipping from a lofty perch — the huge appreciations of 2004 and 2005.”
“‘I would love to think that press was wholly to blame for this, but it’s not that easy,’ Ravenel said. ‘It will take a while to recover. People are skittish. Nobody wants to be foolish.’”
The News & Observer from North Carolina. “Sales of the Triangle’s existing homes fell for the eighth consecutive month in February. Existing home sales declined 16 percent from a year ago in Wake, Durham, Orange and Johnston counties to a total of 1,590, according to the Triangle MLS.”
“Job growth and a market unscathed by speculator-driven purchases had kept the Triangle housing market relatively strong during the national housing slowdown. But slowing job growth, record foreclosures, which added hundreds of additional homes into the market, and tighter lending restrictions have cooled the local market from its 2006 record.”
“Wes Minton, an owner of the York Simpson Underwood residential brokerage in Raleigh, said brokers and sellers were spoiled by record sales years from 2003 through 2006.”
“‘It was good so long, it can’t be that good all the time in any business,’ Minton said.”
“‘Sellers saw such big numbers in sales prices for so long everybody thinks their house will bring top dollar,’ said Minton, whose sales are down about 10 percent from last year. ‘But in the market now, things aren’t bringing top dollar. There are plenty of houses selling, but sellers aren’t getting as much as they hoped.’”
“Pending sales — an indication of future closings — were down 23 percent from a year earlier. The number of homes on the market with price drops was 69 percent higher than in 2007. Expired listings are up 189 percent, and withdrawn listings are up 29 percent, said TMLS real estate analyst Stacey P. Anfindsen.”
“Linda Craft of Raleigh, who sells about 350 homes annually, said she has increased advertising and now hires home stagers for all listings. But another key to higher sales is advising sellers not to expect prices from a bygone market.”
“‘Six months ago, agents would ask another 6 to 10 percent, and in a down market that formula doesn’t work,’ Craft said. ‘Now we’re putting [prices] where the market really is.’”
“‘You’ve got a real housing slowdown on your hands,’ said Moody’s Economy.com economist Michael Helmar. ‘It still isn’t as bad as the rest of the world, but that doesn’t mean you are not having some struggles. It just means the rest of the world is worse.’”
From the first HT article:
‘A group of developers headed by Henry Berliner, the former head of a failed savings and loan in Maryland, has defaulted on two loans totaling $8.7 million. Branch Banking & Trust, which made one of the loans, claims it is owed $4.7 million, according to Sarasota County court records, while the trust of Marlene W. Mattie claims it is owed another $3.3 million.’
‘Berliner’s group originally took on the debt under the name Sarasota One LLC when it bought 339 acres off Fruitville Road in east Sarasota County from the Mattie trust for $10 million in April 2005. Reached at a Maryland phone number, Berliner said he was planning to build estate homes on five-acre parcels, but time ran out on his loans.’
‘Press reports say Berliner converted the once-sleepy thrift into a major force in the Mid-Atlantic region, eventually increasing Second National’s assets to $1.6 billion. Berliner was the chief executive of Second National Federal Savings Bank in Annapolis, Md., until that lending institution was taken over by the Office of Thrift Supervision in December 1992.’
These guys haven’t learned much from the last big bust.
wow april 2005
dog’s name is lucky
MARKETS - did all the homes on your street sell last night ?
Do you remember Vernon Savings and Loan? I lived in Dallas for a few years (83-86) and this sort of stuff was everywhere. One of the best books written about it was called ‘The Daisy Chain’ by James O’Shea. You can pick it up on Amazon for dirt cheap. A great read.
Kubler Ross has a model used in death and dying that fits the housing bubble well: The following are the phases:
Kubler-Ross has a model that fits the housing downturn very well. The following are the five phases:
Denial: “It can’t be happening.”
Anger: “Why me? It’s not fair.”
Bargaining: “Just let me wait this out and the prices will recover in 2008 and then I can sell the property at break even and everything will be fine.
Depression: “I’m so sad with the decline of my proprty values that are worth less than I owe, why bother with keeping the property?” I should give it back to the bank.
Acceptance: “It’s going to be OK.”
I was saying the same thing to a psychiatrist neighbor of mine this weekend. She thinks so too.
“Sarasota artist Erez Back has defaulted on five loans totaling $3.1 million since November 2006. Three of the loans, totaling $1.36 million, are payable to the Bank of New York. The other two, totaling $1.74 million, are owed to US Bank.”
“Back bought a house in Sarasota for $175,000 in June 2002. He then bought four more properties during the boom for $3.1 million. Back could not be reached for comment.”
Loss Artiste?
He makes water dealies:
‘Pond and fountain creator suffers financial setback…One example of his work is the “Falling Water Patio Garden” on St. Armands Circle.’
Yeah, he’s gonna pay them back…
Yeah, he’s gonna pay them back…
More like, Yeah, he’s gonna give them back!
Portrait of the artist as an FB. Actually, “artist” may be a bit of a conceit. He appears to be a high-end landscaper.
http://sarasotagardens.com/index.htm
I am flummoxed. How does one do that, get major loans, default, then default again, and then get loans for not one house but several. I mean, someone please give seminars. Gosh, if one of US is late a nano second on a cc it is like the Swat team descends and yet..
Reminds me of 99-ish, when front page news was a socialite couple who had been from Minnesota, and a few other states, then descended upon Palm Springs. They were finally arrested.
They apparently had more than 7 BKs to their name within the southwest states AND more than 20 BKs in Minnesota.
They lived high on the hog, lived in the Las Palmas area($$$$).
I missed those classes and took the ethics program.
But the banks gave loans to anyone with a pulse!
Your right Bye..now after YEARS of raking in the bucks(which the media does not talk about)..they want us to feel sorry for them and BAIL THEM OUT!!!…if the little guy has to suffer so should the idiots who funded 125% of a homes value!
“Until then, Griffith Construction Inc. President Bill Griffith said, ‘I feel sorry for the one person living there.’”
Well, this has to be creepy . . .
Yes, but imagine, he/she has 18 greens and fairways to take care of. Lots of getting back to nature stuff.
I guess that would give him plenty to do after getting home from work. But wandering an abandoned housing development and golf course all by your lonesome, like some kind of ghost of suburbs past . . . and they didn’t even mention the “one FAMILY” living there, just one person, all by himself/herself . . . **shudder**
i am legend
LMAO, postman! Good one!
More like “I am levereged”
leverAged
LOL I guess it’s like having old Jacob Marley dragging his chain around the back 9…
HOpe she/he has a rider lawn mower. And an ipod. Some sunscreen.
There’s a subdivision outside of Austin called North Woodcreek that got caught up in the S&L scandal. 10 years ago I was driving around out there and it was creepy…maybe 50 homes out of 1,000 lots. Grass has fought its way through the pavement…it was like driving on a putting green but with curbs. Very weird. Nature took over the golf course also. Except for a random flag still standing, you wouldn’t have known at the time it was a course. Since then it’s gotten back on track.
Well it could be good if he is that person that says, I wish stand on my back porch and take a leak. LOL
This could be a very good movie.
“Until then, Griffith Construction Inc. President Bill Griffith said, ‘I feel sorry for the one person living there.’”
Yes, with Jack Nicholson in the lead role. And a rather dopey family….
“While the tour is a good way to raise awareness, Mike Rahn, mortgage lender at CNL Bank. said many of those looking to buy short sale or foreclosure properties aren’t being realistic. Some offers the banks receive are so low that they are not even taking them despite the state of the market and not wanting to be property owners.”
“‘I don’t think there’s any magic bullet, I think it’s just going to have to run its course,’ Rahn said. ‘I think we’re going to be in ‘09 before we see a real recovery.’”
A Silver bullet will kill off the werewolves of loandom…
“Some offers the banks receive are so low that they are not even taking them”…yet.
Time keeps on tickin’ tickin’ tickin’…into the future.
yet…
Stuborness doesn’t set the market price.
We all here know about:
Incomes
price/rent
supply
demand (that has the required FICO and down payment)
Munch munch munch.
Got Popcorn?
Neil
They’re trying not to set 50% loss comps — it’s not that they’re worried about selling any given house or houses for 50 cents on the dollar (or maybe less) — they’re worried about setting super-low comps that have an effect on the rest of their loans that may still be performing. Hell, someone with a big mortgage AND a bunch of cash might be smart to walk away from their million dollar house and purchase a similiar — although maybe a little beaten down — forclosure type property for 500k or 600k cash. Or even secure a loan before they walk away from house 1.
Nobody wants to wreck their credit — but it might be worth it for 400 or 500k, right? That’s 400/500 k to your net worth — plus lower monthly expenses — and, in Florida, a lower lifetime reset for property taxes, maybe? (I don’t understand how Florida property taxes ended up changing).
‘You’ve got a real housing slowdown on your hands,’ said Moody’s Economy.com economist Michael Helmar. ‘It still isn’t as bad as the rest of the world, but that doesn’t mean you are not having some struggles. It just means the rest of the world is worse.’
More cutting edge analysis from the people at Moodys. Not to worry, Ho Chi Zandi has a 5 year plan to save the firms clients from his handywork.
I saw today that Standard & Poor’s rated the state of Florida investment pool at AAA. Boy is that a relief.
‘Ho Chi Zandi has a 5 year plan to save the firms clients from his handywork.’
Hahahaha! Comical!
THAT was very funny…
I know I’ve been in Calif too long when I see “Comical” and misread it as if it were “MediCal” - you know, Ho Chi is “Commie Cal” - will leave the state later this month, but it was fun to meet Big V, REHobbyist, Mole Man, and SFBayQT.
Don’t you mean Zandi-work?
(sorry!)
And to think that I went through school with the Zandi family. I don’t recall any of these nicknames being used to describe them.
Why don’t you call up your old school chum and ask him why he thinks you and I should pay to support the mistakes he and his corporate benefactors made?
He thinks must have some FDR style new deal housing bureaucracy where the state buys up millions of houses and hands them out to the masses.
Mark was a few grades behind me. So, he wouldn’t know me from Adam. OTOH, I was in the scouts with one of his older siblings.
so Az Slim
call him up on your NEW COMCAST-CONNECTED phone to pitch our views. it should make all the diference.
‘Now we’re putting [prices] where the market really is.’”
When you have buyers giving you multiple offers, then you will know where the market really is…
The Palm Beach Post from Florida. “With a growing number of homeowners having trouble keeping up with their mortgage payments, the city on Monday announced a $1 million program to try to forestall foreclosures.”
WOW - I could use that $10,000 dollars as a down payment
Yeah, whassup with that? I thought local govs had to tighten their belts and cut budgets.
But, you know, there’s an old Farm Bureau development around here, built in the 1970s, where ag workers got money to buy a little concrete shack and those little homes aren’t half bad. Maybe the govs could cough up down payments for qualified folks to buy up and live in some of the foreclosures in their area. Like, a new program to reward the savers and the prudent folks. Maybe start the “Prudent Folks Bureau”. And they could also fire any gov worker FB and give the job to one of the savers. It’s time some of the sane folks got a little of their own back.
I heard PBC is giving “grants” to essental workers to help them “afford” a house. That’s dumb because house prices are correcting on their own, why use taxpayer money?
“why use taxpayer money?”
Because the “essential workers” have to make a down payment and don’t have the money saved?
“why use taxpayer money?”
Maybe they heard of a similar program in Scandinavia?
“Tern Bay Golf & Country Club Resort, the first phase of a 1,789-acre, 1,810-home development, is now owned by the landscaper.”
Moral of the story: beware of anything with the words “Golf”, “Country Club” or “Resort” in their names. Also, run the other way if something has the name of an animal (”Tern,” in this case) in it!
I can’t help thinking of Animal Farm.
4 legs good, 2 legs bad.
Augusta? Didn’t I get a hole-in-one (of my socks) there?
Uh-oh. Time to put the drink down before I spit it all over the monitor.
Also, a home I was nibbling in Pinellas went for damn near asking. I’m bummed. I’ll work off the anger getting some artsy Key West bubble photos.
Aprils fool? You can’t be looking to buy yet lol
Exactly, There are 1.8 Million ARM resets in the next 18 months..wonder how all the vulture purchases in the last month will work out? Bottom?….I think not.
“Homeownership is the American dream, Frankel said, but “for too many people, the American dream is turning into a nightmare. … We believe not enough is being done.”
Aside from helping at-risk homeowners, Frankel said, the program will benefit others because a rash of foreclosures in a neighborhood can harm property values.
Emelda Johnson, the city’s director of Housing and Community Development, said the assistance of up to $10,000 would be available to homeowners with steady jobs or income streams who have fallen behind on mortgage payments because of “some catastrophic occurrence.”
Recipients would have to agree to a repayment plan, she said. At a news conference announcing the program, three homeowners showed up.”
LOL, three homeowners showed up!!!!!, what does that tell you?
“Some catastrophic occurrence.”
It doesn’t apply here, these are not hardship cases but people who paid to much and can’t afford the arm adjustment.
At any rate, homeowners want to simply walk away and not be helped so they can avoid being tied for the next (fill in the blank years,) to a sinking ship.
“We believe not enough is being done.”
1. Who is we?
2. How much is enough?
we is the taxpayer
enough is when you’re bled to death
Excellent Reply, HaHa, gotta love it!
Vote for Ron Paul!
“We” ? Kimosabe?
a rash of foreclosures in a neighborhood can harm property values,
If I have stock in Target, and Wal-mart reports earnings loss, then the stock value of Taget falls in sympathy along with the rest of the discount retail sector. Should I get bailed out too?
And, a falling property value shouldn’t harm the homeowner, because he’s didn’t need to move or sell, and he’s got a fixed payment for the next 27 years, right? right? Right?
“Ciarniello has seen a decrease in the number of people turning to the organization for help to save their homes. She’s unsure if the change is because there are more investors in trouble or if people are just too scared or embarrassed to reach out for help.”
I thought this was interesting. A decrease in the wailing for help? Maybe people are simply giving up. Not making payments and just living rent free until foreclosed upon and then, eventually, evicted?
Actually, I’m seeing a bunch of frivolous lawsuits. For example, one guy filed a suit to rescind his loan transaction and purchase of the home in order to stop an eviction. Flaw in the theory: in order to rescind the transaction, the house must be restored to its condition at the start of the transaction, i.e. dollar values would need to be adjusted, and - get this - the property would need to be vacant to be returned to the lender. So, he sues to throw himself out and hopes to stop an eviction proceeding on that basis. Perfect.
LOL I wonder if the judges are laughing too.
homeowners want to simply walk away and not be helped so they can avoid being tied for the next (fill in the blank years,) to a sinking ship.
Sad, but true.
That’s not as bad as the jerks who want to be freed from the mortgage, but still occupy the property.
My favorite screw to the bank..is the inlaws who purchase their kids home as a short sale for $250K..when the kids bought it for $500K…
They saved the kids from having to move the grandchildren out of their home, save their credit and cut the payments for their kids down to a affordable amount..
“Early last year, Lewis attempted to sell off his 96-unit Manatee Moccasin Wallow development as well as a 284-unit town house project he had planned near U.S. 301 and Interstate 75 for $9.9 million, but he was unsuccessful.”
I think I’ve passed one of his developments a number of times on my way down to Ellenton. Right near I-75 and Moccasin Wallow Road. There’s all sorts of white poles sticking up, I thought it was for irrigation, but probably marking off lots or something like that. But hey, he got that entrance wall up. Real charming stone structure, if I’ve got the right place.
Oh, and on a breezy day, the dust clouds from the cleared land blow right across the road. Just lovely.
Moccasin Wallow? Egads! Is that where the water mocs wallow? If it is, I’m staying the heck outta there. Those snakes are mean!
Yes, there really are water mocs in the area. The ex and I used to have some friends that lived not too far from there, they had a little 5 acre ranchette. It’s sort of a backwater area of the Little Manatee river and streams and ponds and tangled Florida jungle, mixed with old agricultural land, etc. There’s a very good reason that place was name Moccasin Wallow.
Moccasin Wallow- Now that’s an attractive place name. Let’s see now, on the map… is that close to Hog Wallow Court?
I’m just wondering how many people understand what Moccasin Wallow really means. Betcha many of the folks, especially non-Floridians, who were looking to buy in the area, thought it had something to do with Indians and thought it was a charming old name that had to do with an old Indian outpost. Oh, and also, that area is peppered with ponds and little tributaries that are home to a gator or two. Our friends who lived back there had a gator that took up residence in their pond.
Attacks are very rare, but those of us who live here know that any pool of standing water, especially in the summertime, can contain a fairly large alligator. Note to newcomers: don’t &#%%@ feed them!
Good point, snake charmer. Every once in a while, in that area, people will lost a pet to either a gator or to snakebite. I’m concerned what happens if some little kid toddles too close to the pond unseen by parents or family members. There is still wildlife in that area that hasn’t given up its habitat. One of the things that happened around here is that long time established residents found an abundance of snakes that came out of the woodwork, so to speak, when the developers started clearing the land. One guy I know found himself swimming in his pool with a coral snake (deadly) one day, as a result of the clearing of a Lennar development.
“I’m concerned what happens if some little kid toddles too close to the pond unseen by parents or family members.”
Has anyone seen little Mindy? She was here a moment ago.
Coral snakes actually aren’t all that deadly. Apparently they would have to chew on you for like an hour to inject enough poison to kill you. They’re little and not really designed to take out massive bipeds. Still. You wouldn’t normally want to be sharing the pool with one.
Didn’t know that, Kandy. Was told by one of the old timers around here they wuz deadly. Maybe he was smoking some of that whacky terbacky.
If one coral snake bites you, pull it off you quickly and dial 911 pronto! You got 2 hours to live without antidote.
That’s what I thought, Bye. I recall when a roofer was working on one of the villas in the development I lived in in Ft. Lauderdale. He freaked out when he found a coral snake on the roof where he was working. How it got up there, I have no idea, but the roofer got down his ladder fast as he could. I don’t know whether or not a coral snake can kill a person, but I don’t really want to find out by personal experience.
There’s also some old saying about differentiating the poisonous coral snake from a similar looking benign snake, has to do with the color of the stripes: “Black touch yellow, you’re a lucky fellow. Black touch red, you’re dead” or some such thing. Here’s a bunch of them:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071002234940AAcIUko&show=7
No, it doesn’t sound real pleasant. They’re cobras! They’re our only native cobra. (I think.) Who needs to add “get bit by a cobra” to their daily roster? They do take a while to wack you, though, and rattlesnakes are a bigger deal:
“The coral snake venom apparatus is composed of a pair of small, fixed, hollow fangs in the anterior aspect of the upper jaw through which the snake conducts venom via a chewing motion. Unlike pit vipers, such as rattlesnakes, copperheads, and cottonmouths, which strike quickly, coral snakes must hang on for a brief period to achieve significant envenomation in humans.
Coral snake venoms tend to have significant neurotoxicity, inducing neuromuscular dysfunction. They have little enzymatic activity or necrotic potential compared to most vipers and pit vipers. These venoms tend to be some of the most potent found in snakes, yet the venom yield per animal is less than that of most vipers or pit vipers. Because of the relatively primitive venom delivery apparatus, as many as 60% of those bitten by North American coral snakes are not envenomed.”
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic542.htm
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/herpetology/FL-GUIDE/Venomsnk.htm
I get the occasional king snake in the pool. Looks a lot like the coral snake but it’s harmless. I haven’t seen a coral to my knowledge yet. But I’m under the impression that they can kill you rather easily.
Coral Snakes? HA, I laugh at Coral Snakes!!
I, sir, have a healthy anti-venom immune system built up by repeated encounters with Florida Lawyers, State Attorneys, and Car Salesmen.
recent booster-shots from Probate Attorneys have made me practically invulnerable. However, I would not want to get too close to a Realtor or Mortgage Broker. And any contact at all with my ex-spouse = no known antidote.
DNR / check for donor card . . .
No, they kill with some difficulty. They’re made for mice and such, not big animals. If they bite a big animal, they’re biting defensively–which is to say they wouldn’t hang on and keep chewing trying to deliver venom, they’d just deliver a quick nip and leave the area with all possible speed. I think you have to work at it to get into a situation where they bite and hang on. Of course, if you had one in your sleeping bag and rolled over on it and it couldn’t get away, it wouldn’t have any choice but to knuckle down and deliver the venom. You’d die hideously and the de-venomed snake wouldn’t be able to hunt, so it’d starve. Just an all-around bummer.
“Of course, if you had one in your sleeping bag and rolled over on it and it couldn’t get away, it wouldn’t have any choice but to knuckle down and deliver the venom. You’d die hideously and the de-venomed snake wouldn’t be able to hunt, so it’d starve. Just an all-around bummer.”
One of the old timers was telling me that the last thing a snake really wants to do is attack, if you’re not a food source for it. Of course, this was appropos of rattlers. But he said the same thing you just did, about the de-venomed snake finding it a real bummer. He just said, you see a rattler, just back up real nice and quiet, it really doesn’t want to have to bite you unless it feels it has to in order to defend itself.
Wow I am scared now! I hate snakes! Is the coral snake the most dangerous Florida snake? What about copperheads, cottonmouths, rattlesnakes and any other types?
What’s the diff, Bye FL, you’ll never run across one because there’s barely any left, venomous or otherwise. Do you ever see ‘em? I don’t. The only people who ever get to see any wild things are people who move into those snakey new subdivisions built on what was animal habitat three days prior. All I ever see in town is weedy animals:
*squirrels
*possums
*raccoons
*armadillos
*9 million Cuban anoles/day
And that’s it! I don’t even see roaches any more: I think the interloper Cuban anoles ate them all. (One more example of immigrants doing the jobs Americans won’t.)
We do have a couple of barred owls in my neighborhood. That’s pretty cool.
okay, I can’t resist, as I grew up in South Miami…we were always taught how to differentiate coral snakes by their color pattern, etc. Even at age 8 or so, I thought to myself, “hey, I see orange/black/yellow, I don’t care what order it’s in, I’m outta there.”
Also, cottonmouths? you don’t want to hang around with them. Had one in the neighbor’s pool once–you never saw a gang of kids move so fast.
Hah! That’s not a snake….. this is a snake!
In Australia, outside of the city centres, legend has it that you are never more than 20 metres from a snake that can kill you.
The general rule of thumb is “Don’t bother them, and they won’t bother you.”
I was in Australia on vacation about ten years ago. I was hiking in the Blue Mountains when a fellow hiker pointed out a black snake dozing just off the trail. I got as close as I dared — about ten feet — and took a picture.
In a museum in Cairns I read a story about a local farmer killed by a taipan some years before. He had attempted to kill the reptile by striking it with a hoe. The story continued by noting wryly that “the snake was faster.”
Moccasin Wallow is the next development over from Gator Gulch, about a half-mile from Copperhead Creek.
“Inside Primanti Brothers Pizzeria, Kozlowski, who’s cooking at the grill, wasn’t talking about the weather. Rather, the perfect combination of factors that have small businesses on the beach reeling: the collapse of the South Florida housing market, the dramatic downturn in the national economy, the transition of Fort Lauderdale beach property from middle-class family-friendly to high-end resorts.”
LMAO! Now, I can recall when Ft. Lauderdale got its bloomers in a bunch about the Spring Break crowd and did everything to discourage it and worked to develop the whole “family resort” thing. yeah, that went over like a lead balloon, it seems the families felt Disney had more to offer them. But I never heard about Ft. Lauderdale throwing families under the bus in favor of “high end resorts”. LMAO! High end resorts on Ft. Lauderdale Beach! Here’s how that turned out:
“A few years ago, they started a campaign with a motto: Fort Lauderdale — positively posh,’ Kozlowski said. ‘Well, you can shoot a cannon ball down that beach and not hit a positively posh person.’”
And this:
“‘I won’t mention names, but I’ve been open here 38 years and have ties to a lot of the saloons and restaurants in town, and I don’t know anyone who’s doing better than breaking even,’ said Tim Schiavone, owner of another nearby beach icon, The Parrot.”
An icon indeed. When I wuz a collegiate pup, that’s where we’d all go to meet on Spring Break. I didn’t know it was still hanging in there, gotta give it props.
Ahhh, Ft. Lauderdale. Used to be a helluva town. Good times.
One of the only decent bars left, good people and fair prices. Regular crowd.
-The Parrot, that is…
“Well, you can shoot a cannon ball down that beach and not hit a positively posh person”
(Don’t let ME… stop you!)
Another sign of MEW evaporation. Mommy and Daddy’s Housing ATM is out of order so along w/ $4 gas they have had to cut off the “Spring Break Allowance”. I really hate to see this. There will be a lot of businesses that have been there for years that won’t be there come next spring break. More unintended consequences.
“There will be a lot of businesses that have been there for years that won’t be there come next spring break.”
Having lived there, I wouldn’t necessarily count them out, yet. At least, not if they sell liquor and cater to folks who are lookin’ fer luv in all the wrong places. But I have been stunned by some of the businesses that have survived booms and busts in the past and just couldn’t seem to survive this one. But it is kind of like the overbuilding in Florida, there was also an oversupply of new businesses to compete with the older, established businesses, which sort of fragmented the market. Plenty for everyone when things were booming. Now, just like the title of the post: Too Many Dogs, Not Enough Bones.
I don’t recall being permitted to go to Florida during Spring Break. My parents knew what went on down there, and they were danged if they were going to let me be a part of it.
“My parents knew what went on down there, and they were danged if they were going to let me be a part of it.”
Smart parents. Some of the Spring Break Rites of Passage could be pretty twisted.
I remember driving down to Panama City Beach with friends several years in a row. We’d just get in the car in the frigid city where we went to college and drive all night. Even though March in the panhandle can get chilly, upon arriving we’d stop at the liquor store, then don swim trunks and hit the beach immediately with a cooler and a frisbee.
As for rites of passage, I didn’t do anything other than drink beer in absurd quantity, sometimes through a funnel. Can anyone tell me if the Mark II Hotel is still standing?
“B-double E double R U-N-beer run
B-double E double R U-N-beer ru-unn
all we need is a ten and five-er,
car and key and a sober driver,
B-double E double R U-N-beer run”
Excerpted from the song by Todd Snider.
To those of you thinking of opening a restaurant anytime, soon…
“‘I don’t know what’s going to turn it around,’ Schiavone said. ‘It seems the middle class in America is being squeezed out. And that’s my market. When your gasoline bill is up $100 a week, and electric is 40 percent higher and your condo is new on the tax rolls and insurance is higher, you’re not likely to go out to dinner.’”
I am waiting for the first chain restaurant in our town to fold. And truth be told, it doesn’t take much for that to happen. The business models for chain restaurants are predicated on high occupancy. They do not need to be nearly empty to fold.
My local prediction: the local Applebee’s. Its never full.
“My local prediction: the local Applebee’s. Its never full.”
And that’s a problem. That particular restaurant prides themselves on low prices and a casual atmosphere. I can take the wife out there and have drinks and dinner for $25 including tip. It’s about the same price as eating a comparable meal at home in most cases. You need a lot of volume to be able to do that.
I keep thinking and expecting the same thing. Yet week after week I go out and the restaurants are overflowing with people. I eat out 2-3 times a week for dinner and every day M-F for lunch. What can I say, I’m too lazy to cook.
I can honestly say I have not seen any noticeable decrease in people at restaurants. This goes for the Chili’s and Panera Breads as well as the fancy shmancy stuff.
It’s all playing the fiddle while Rome burns.
In Bend we lost our Dennys a month ago.
The restaurant’s last day will be March 5, when it will close at 2 p.m., owner Dean Moe said Friday.
“Unfortunately, it just doesn’t make financial sense to keep it open,” said Moe, who lives in Springfield. “Costs keep going up and that building is so limited in size … there’s competition nowadays that can seat double what we can seat.”
The American dream. Being able to eat at an average restaurant.
I can recall my growing up years, when Going Out To Eat was a rare treat.
It still is. A few years ago, when I was visiting the Slim Parental Units, my mom and I were out doing some shopping. I mentioned that I was hungry, hoping that we’d stop and get a bite to eat. Mom said that we’d be going home for lunch.
“I can recall my growing up years, when Going Out To Eat was a rare treat.”
Amen, Slim. It was that way for me, too.
Once a week for the Wednesday night special at El Chico’s was it for us. You had to get the special, whatever it was, nothing else. Daddy would tip the waitress a dime. And I am not nostalgic!
Being the ‘catholic’ that I used to be….
We’d go out on Friday evening for a great fish fry..
Some how, I don’t see as many fish fries, or catholics anymore…
Why is GOLD going down? Didn’t somebody tell me GOLD was better than the Tulips in Holland circa. 1620 because GOLD only comes in one color.
Imagine this. A gigantic margin call went out of the planet. Time to pay up. People look around and the only thing they have that isn’t totally under water are their commodity investments. So they have no choice but to unload. Cash is king. Just be very very careful where and how you have cash.
So what your saying is that you expect this to be a short term drop until the “weaklings” are shaken out and the price returns to increasing? Just trying to figure out where to keep my cash…
I had a converstion with a friend the other day, when gold hit >$1000/ oz…..He wanted to know ‘if’ I was going to sell….My answer was, that I’d sell when interest rates hit double digit, and not before….It’s called ‘Gibson’s Paradox’…Larry Summers, former Tresurary Sec. wrote his doctorate thesis on it….”"”Price of gold is inverse to interest rates”"”"….Basically, this has got a long way to go…
But, but, there were posters here who said gold was working off an entirely new paradigm and had reached a permanently high plateau!
Gold is merely a safe-house to hide out and watch, as your currency gets buggered…
I don’t know any posters like that. I do know some who said that they thought gold still had a long way to go on the upside, but none that said it couldn’t fluctuate in the meantime. That would be pretty stupid, wouldn’t it?
It looks like the only thing, right now, that is worse than investing in gold is investing in H!llary. How’s that one paying off for you? Bwahahaha.
“..so, I feel sorry for the one person living there.”
sounds just like the Lennar prop near Palm Springs airport.
I wonder how that sort of thing ends up working out, in the end. I see the same thing in some of the condo developments in Tampa. Creepy, because some of them are on the edge of Crack City. I wouldn’t like to have restless natives wandering the hallways of a condo building where I was one of the few residents.
Lennar stopped working on the Golf Clubhouse, which is 90% finished, so for now the clubhouse is a giant Tent. And since all the santa ana winds there is a giant rip in the roof.
Palmetto, second that. wouldn’t want to be seeing wandering trouble makers. And you know they are a comin, you can hear the drumbeats off in the distance..blowing tumbleweed etc.
“Lennar stopped working on the Golf Clubhouse,”
I head the same thing happened at a development here in South Hillsborough County, where they didn’t put in the clubhouse and/or pool. Residents are SOL and trying to figure out what to do without getting into some lawsuit they can’t afford.
I have not seen this ad before:
http://westpalmbeach.craigslist.org/rfs/626449186.html
It’s removed.
Housing slump comes to the Hamptons
http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto033120082201006468&page=2
“The downturn has caught up with the Hamptons,” said George Simpson, who runs Suffolk Research, a local real estate data company.
The three-month running median sales price of single-family homes in the two towns fell 19.2 per cent to $638,600 (€400,000, £320,000) between December and February, according to Suffolk Research. That is almost as much as the 19.3 per cent drop in home prices that Miami and Las Vegas, where the boom and bust in the housing markets has been most dramatic, suffered in the whole of last year, according to the S&P Case-Shiller house price indices.
Holiday homes have been among the hardest hit. Last year, sales of vacation property fell 31 per cent across the US, against a 10 per cent drop in sales of homes bought to live in, according to the National Association of Realtors.
Among those caught in the housing trap are three Bear Stearns executives rushing to offload properties after the collapse of the bank, according to a local estate agent.
Their properties, in the village of Bridgehampton, were listed at about $2m, $2.5m and $5m, the broker said. The priciest house has five bedrooms and a large swimming pool with a picnic table built into it.
“Among those caught in the housing trap are three Bear Stearns executives”
Bear Trap
I want to know why people who were responsible, not getting in over their heads, paying more for fixed rates while these idiots were skating on 0% down and 0% interest starter rates are not outraged by these BAILOUT PROGRAMS for the IRRESPONSIBLE, GREEDY, STUPID SHEEPLE!
We all are outraged. If those bailouts go thru, a whole lot more people will stop paying the mortgage and demand to be bailed out too. I am betting the bailouts have the opposite effect and actually make things worse and speed the housing crash.
The best market is a free market. If the gubbermint interfers, it will only make things worse.
The best market is a free market. If the gubbermint interfers, it will only make things worse.
Yar, that’s what my friends at Bear Stearns said … “Let us drown, lads, let us drown.”
Because people believe if they help their struggling, deadbeat, dishonest neighbors that this will preserve their home value, too.
They are wrong, all house values must drop! It’s just a bubble correction!
Linda Craft of Raleigh, who sells about 350 homes annually, said she has increased advertising and now hires home stagers for all listings. But another key to higher sales is advising sellers not to expect prices from a bygone market.”
If she sold 350 house a year you got close one every day. She also was making at least $1.5 million a year at 6% on $200k average sale agent get 2.5% of sale price. Something not right with this article or this is her agency sales figures…
I’ve met Linda before. Nice gal. Very much an overachiever though. Raleigh hasn’t felt the full brunt of the housing bubble (yet). Linda is such a known person in the area, she’ll be one of the few who survive while others starve around her.
Also, Linda is very well known in Raleigh. Probably the top sales person at Re/Max. She used to offer free cruises for listings.