April 8, 2008

Hot, Hot, Hot, But A Cooling May Be Upon Us

A report from the Oregonian. “Condo king Homer Williams gambled that Portland’s condo mania had reached such a fevered pitch that he could sell Pearl District luxury on a humdrum stretch of Southeast Portland. He and his partners launched a $40 million building, a sprawling, 123-condo complex, along eclectic Belmont Street in 2006. Their timing couldn’t have been worse. Since sales opened last year, 2121 Belmont had no sales, Williams said Tuesday.”

“To cope, Williams said, the complex will switch to apartments, the fourth such conversion of the slowdown. Williams acknowledges that the slowdown is real but says much of it is tied to psychology. ‘It’s between the ears,’ he said. ‘People are afraid right now.’”

“Portland has roughly 1,300 new and existing condos on the market in the 28 biggest downtown projects. Over the past five years, an average of 800 condos sold annually.”

“The next year could be bleak for developers with large, slow-selling condo buildings. In some ways, they have a self-fulfilling problem. Brokers steer buyers away from struggling buildings over worries that the developer may reduce prices or, worse, that the bank will take the building back.”

“‘I discriminate against unsold property,’ said John Cooper, a Portland real estate broker. ‘If I’m representing a buyer, I don’t want to put him in that situation. It was just the wrong time to come on the market.’”

“It’s not a given that developers will be fill their condo-turned-apartment buildings at the sky-high rents they want. But Williams predicts the renters they do get will someday turn into buyers. Rents are so high, it will make financial sense for them to buy, he said. But he acknowledges that buyers will stay renters until the economy and housing prices settle.”

“The trouble for developers stuck paying construction loans: No one has a clue when that will happen.”

The Bend Bulletin from Oregon. “The number of mortgages entering the early stages of foreclosure during the first three months of 2008 nearly tripled the number in the same period last year, according to the Deschutes County Clerk’s Office.”

“The likelihood is that we are catching up with the rest of the nation,’ said Bob Mullins, a volunteer for Bend-based Consumer Credit Counseling Service of Mid-Oregon. ‘Deschutes County has been lagging behind. It was only a matter of time before we started catching up. We’ve still got a ways to run because this started here later than in the worst parts of the country.’”

The Curry Pilot from Oregon. “The slump in the housing market that has cut home prices and sales across the country is being felt in Brookings. Shell Lent believes the local housing market is more affected by the national housing crisis than the numbers may indicate.”

“‘I had two houses for sale and sold one right away, but I had to drop the price from $449,000 to close to $300,000,’ he said. ‘It isn’t over, you haven’t seen anything yet.’”

“Lent currently has a house for sale that has dropped in price from $419,000 to $290,000.”

“During the last housing boom, from 1988-1992, the Curry County area had 110 real estate agents and 300 listings. By 1999, there were 55 agents and 850 listings. By the spring of 2006, the number of listings had dropped to 320 with 120 agents.”

“During the past year, the real estate market has lost some agents and the number of listings has risen to 400 which, as J.B. White, president of the Curry County Board of Realtors said, essentially repeats the pattern of 1992-1999 slump.”

The Mail Tribune from Oregon. “Jackson County’s residential housing slump continued to reflect the national numbers during the first quarter of 2008.”

“Sales prices for the area’s existing single-family residences tumbled 9.6 percent to $235,000 during the first three months of the year. The March median sales price for existing single-family residences declined 12.9 percent to $235,000, from $270,000 a year earlier.”

“California’s residential real estate woes continues to ripple into the Southern Oregon market, said Doug Morse, an agent in Medford. ‘Forty-three percent of our buyers are from California and they’re not coming up because they haven’t been able to sell their houses.’”

“New construction also remained slow. Just 62 homes were sold countywide in the first quarter with the median price falling 17.1 percent to $269,450. The inventory of houses on the market as of April 1 dropped 7 percent to 2,171.”

“‘It points to the people that don’t need to sell aren’t putting their places on the market and the people with their houses on the market really need to sell,’ Morse said. ‘I think it helps a lot more right now because when there are so many homes on the market, the buyer thinks maybe they shouldn’t buy.’”

The Seattle PI from Washington. “Seattle single-family home prices in March sank 2.2 percent from the same time a year ago. The numbers reflect continued pickiness on the part of buyers, who are benefiting from an abundance of homes on the market and slower sales.”

“In Western Washington overall, the median price for a single-family home was $325,000, well below the year-ago price of $345,000. There still were far more homes on the market than a year ago. House and condo listings increased 61 percent from 2007 in Seattle, 64 percent in King County and 35 percent in Western Washington.”

“Pending sales of single-family homes and condominiums in Seattle and King County were down sharply, compared with last March, by 29 percent and 39 percent, respectively.”

“‘Our market is pretty strong,’ said Carolyn Matson, a real estate agent at an open house for a Green Lake bungalow last weekend. ‘I think it’s nice that buyers have some room to negotiate, especially given what the market has been like for them.’”

“Sellers should also realize it’s no longer enough to hang a sign and wait for multiple offers to pour in; some may need a six-month marketing plan that includes online tours and newspaper ads, she said.”

“Sharon Heustis, who rents a house in Ballard, said she hadn’t seriously considered buying a house in Seattle when prices were ‘insane,’ and she didn’t want a no-money-down loan or mortgages with balloon payments made out of lead.”

“But with prices calming and interest rates low, it might be feasible, she said. Still, she’s inclined to wait another year or so in hopes they drop further. ‘I think they should get better — Seattle, I think, has been overvalued for about three years,’ she said.”

“But Ashley and Brian Yarno, who have been looking for a fixer-upper around Green Lake for six months, think the window to buy might be smaller.”

“‘If we don’t buy within the next five months, we’re stupid,’ said Ashley Yarno, whose aunt is a real estate agent and advised the couple, in their mid-20s, that the time to act is now, before prices start climbing again.”

The Seattle Times from Washington. “If their plans pan out, John and Judith Mehrens soon will own a waterfront condominium in a brand-new Bremerton complex that’s currently advertising units starting at $109,000.”

“28 units in a project called The 400 will be auctioned off to the highest bidders April 20 in an eBay-like experience: unbelievably low starting prices followed by last-minute bidding frenzies if the goods strike the public’s fancy.”

“It’s shaping up as the Puget Sound area’s largest auction of brand-new, nonforeclosure housing and potentially the start of a trend.”

“‘If it looks like a person could buy one for a price somewhat below what they were being marketed for before the auction, we’d be interested in doing that,’ John Mehrens says. ‘But if it becomes a feeding frenzy, we’ll go have a cup of coffee.’”

“The building’s developer, Mark Goldberg, chairman of M.S. Cavoad Co. in Seattle, says his major goal is to get out from under his construction loan. Even before it was completed last July, The 400 was 70 percent presold at prices topping out at $919,000, or $531 a square foot.”

“Then Bremerton’s real-estate market followed the national trend and ground to a halt. Some presales fell apart.”

“Jacqui Curtiss, broker in Port Orchard, says she’s not surprised the remaining units are on the auction block. ‘In real estate, timing is everything, and the timing was bad,’ Curtiss says. ‘Builders and developers are struggling everywhere. And when you have a lot of units in one building, your exposure level is a lot higher.’”

“Recently it took several months to sell five units in The 400, an unacceptable pace, Goldberg says. ‘We’re not going to sit around for the next year selling one or two.’”

“Paul Thomas, a founding partner of Northwest Auctions in Seattle, has conducted a dozen auctions in the last year for homeowners. He foresees more builders going this route.”

“‘At least three-quarters of our residential auctions over the next year or two will be conducted for builders who are desperate to sell their properties before losing them to the bank,’ Thomas projects.”

The Vancouver Sun. from Canada. “Contractors in Metro Vancouver took out substantially fewer building permits in January and February this year than they did in 2007, Statistics Canada reported Monday.”

“Municipalities issued permits for $872.7 million worth of work over the first two months of the year — 19 per cent below the $1 billion worth of work approved in the same months of 2007.”

“In B.C., ‘[the] construction market has been overheated for several years, so a decline in building permits isn’t necessarily a bad thing,’ said Philip Hochstein, president of the Independent Contractors and Business Association of B.C.”

“The ‘hectic pace of the past few years’ has driven labour rates and materials up sharply, Hochstein added, so ‘a moderation in activity will bring back some certainty,’ to contractors and their clients.”

The Chilliwack Times from Canada. “Hot, hot, hot. That’s been the temperature of the local real estate market for the past few months, but a cooling may be upon us.”

“March home sales in the Chilliwack area were the lowest for that month in the last five years, according to Chilliwack and Area Real Estate Board (CADREB) numbers. But CADREB president Trude Kafka isn’t worried.”

“‘Home prices are largely a reflection of market conditions and supply and demand and because we typically don’t experience the artificially inflated prices that can occur in the larger metropolitan areas, the market adjustments here are usually not as severe,’ Kafka said in a press release.”

“There were 206 residential sales last month, compared to 294 for the same month in 2007.”

“This downturn is really just a ‘market correction,’ according to Kafka. ‘We are actually on our way back to a balanced market where prices more accurately reflect the current market conditions.’”

The Anchorage Daily News from Alaska. “The state-owned Alaska Housing Finance Corp., that finances many home purchases in Alaska, is about halfway through a big-ticket ad campaign this spring to try to sweep aside the ‘doom and gloom’ headlines in national media about falling home prices and rampant defaults.”

“‘The more (Alaska buyers) hear it, the more they assume the same thing is happening here,’ said Sherrie Simmonds, spokeswoman for the Alaska Housing Finance Corp.”

“Simmonds stars in the feel-good ads, which are running in prime time on TV networks and radio stations. In the ads, she points out that interest rates are low and Alaska home prices are stable, making it a great time to invest in a new home.”

“The ad campaign, called ‘Alaska’s Housing Market: Built to Last,’ is the first of its kind for the corporation, but it fits the corporation’s role, as a public entity, to ‘educate people’ on Alaska housing issues, Simmonds said.”

“Though the housing market looks stable, that’s not to say there are no legitimate concerns for Alaska homeowners. Energy and transportation costs have skyrocketed, said Dan Fauske, the corporation’s CEO, in a recent interview.”

“The reduction in home sales has also affected some builders, he said.”

“Addressing the recent slowdown in local home sales, Mark Korting of Re/Max Properties Inc. told an Anchorage Chamber of Commerce luncheon Monday that ‘there seems to be a lot of (buyers) out there … just waiting’ for prices to drop further.”

“In addition to ads, the corporation has been hosting a series of community meetings around the state to explain differences between Alaska’s housing market and locations in the Lower 48 where the housing market has crashed.”

The Homer News from Alaska. “Over the past few years, Homer’s growth has been cited as the main reason behind the town’s first stoplight. But if estimates from the Alaska Department of Labor and Workforce Development are accurate, the last big jump in Homer’s population came during annexation.”

“Since then, the city’s population has actually decreased by about 33 people. The department estimates that there were 5,502 people living within Homer city limits in 2007, down from 5,535 in 2002. The population record for the city came in 2003, when 5,877 people lived within the city limits.”

“According to Kenai Peninsula Borough statistics, the population of young families boroughwide decreased significantly from April 1, 2000, to July 1, 2006. The population of children ages 0 to 14 dropped a combined 12.6 percent. The population of adults ages 25-49 dropped 13.8 percent.”

“That decrease can be seen in dropping school enrollment projections and facilities running below capacity, and comes as no surprise to some, indluding Homer resident Dylan Weiser.”

“Weiser moved to Homer in 2000. He said he has seen more retirees move into town, while many younger people have left in that time. This increase in a retired population makes it tough for younger working families, Weiser said. The retirees drive up property values, while younger families are moving farther away from town to afford housing.”

“New home construction also has increased from 23 units in the Homer area in 2000 to 49 in 2006, and the value of this construction jumped from $2.6 million in 2000 to more than $10 million in 2006.”

“The assessed value of taxable real property grew 60 percent from 2000 to 2007. By comparison, the assessed value of taxable real property grew just 30 percent for the seven-year period from 1993 to 2000.”

“These increased prices of homes can be seen in the real estate market as well. There were 27 houses listed on the Alaska MLS Monday with an asking price above $400,000 in Homer.”

“From 2000 to 2005, the Homer area created 317 new jobs, a 14.8 percent increase, and average salaries increased from $27,665 to $32,655, an 18 percent increase, according to the borough.”

“The number of jobs actually decreased from 2003 to 2005 by 63 jobs. The jobs that are available in town are more minimum wage service jobs than professional, said Weiser.”

“‘When you get a good job in Homer, you keep it until you die, if you intend to stay,’ he said.”




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Comment by smf
2008-04-08 16:02:11

“California’s residential real estate woes continues to ripple into the Southern Oregon market, said Doug Morse, an agent in Medford. ‘Forty-three percent of our buyers are from California and they’re not coming up because they haven’t been able to sell their houses.’”

No, not correct.

1. They can’t purchase because they no longer have equity in their house.

2. Just because they called their Oregon purchase a ‘primary residence’ does not mean that they were actually using it as such.

3. In other words, you’re screwed too…

Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 17:25:03

It’s starting to dawn on me that California is to the West as the US is to the world. Weird.

Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 17:35:24

I just want to clarify that I AM NOT saying that CA is the center of the universe here. I’m just saying that our economy is so big that we are like a tiny rich country over here.

Comment by sf jack
2008-04-08 19:05:19

Tiny… rich country?

When Reagan was president California had the 4th or 5th largest GDP, if it were a nation unto its own, in the world.

Today it’s what? 7th? or 8th?

I suppose I’m saying I wouldn’t call it tiny…

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Comment by Chuck Ponzi
2008-04-09 11:04:41

How about “large, overleveraged country?”

Look at our budget surplus.

What? No budget surplus? Oh well.

 
Comment by Californicated
2008-04-10 01:14:01

California is no longer 5th 6th 7th or 8th largest GDP anymore. It used to be but not anymore.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Conserco
2008-04-08 16:09:27

“If we don’t buy within the next five months, we’re stupid,” said Ashley Yarno, whose aunt is a real estate agent and advised the couple, in their mid-20s, that the time to act is now, before prices start climbing again.

Too…many…putdowns…brain…about…to…explode…

Comment by Bye FL
2008-04-08 16:14:00

What do you expect? Her aunt is a realwhore and high on koolaid. There is maybe 1% chance of the house bubble being reinflated. The end result of course will be hyperinflation. In nominal dollars, house prices will soar but in real dollars they will still crash. This will cause Great depression II.

Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 17:23:31

I don’t see how they can soar in nominal dollars, since we have no reason to expect wage increases.

Comment by Bye FL
2008-04-08 18:32:15

Thats what we have been saying regarding the house bubble. It was illogical and some people think the bubble will reinflate soon after the gubbermint bailouts get underway. If this happens, I might have no choice but buy a house at 0% down, neg-arm. Ill just walk away when it’s done and the gubbermint will bail me out too. They are rewarding irresponsible people :(

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Comment by Mo Money
2008-04-08 16:18:23

They’re going to learn that taking advice from a Real Estate Agent about when to buy a house is the stupid part.

Comment by Jerry D
2008-04-08 17:17:34

Real estate agents are always right when it comes to buyers buying “now”. Commissions first! Always a great time for buying.Many bought into their own dreams. Hope they go down.

 
 
Comment by Rintoul
2008-04-08 16:25:25

How about a simple correction?

‘If we don’t buy within the next five months, we’re stupid,’ said Ashley Yarno

Comment by OhMyHowFun
2008-04-08 16:59:05

If we don’t buy within the next five months, we’re stupid,’ said Ashley Yarno

Comment by sfv_hopeful
2008-04-08 17:07:53

LOL

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Comment by Grey
2008-04-08 17:46:47

LMAO!

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Comment by Chip
2008-04-08 18:13:04

Good stuff - funny, pointed, nice timing. A good part of what makes Ben’s blog the best, IMHO.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-04-09 08:15:01

LOL! I agree…classic stuff here :)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-04-08 16:12:40

“It’s not a given that developers will be fill their condo-turned-apartment buildings at the sky-high rents they want.”

“If I can’t sell it for the price I want then I’ll just rent it out.” Gosh, where have I heard that from before ?

Comment by Bye FL
2008-04-08 16:15:43

They will be forced to walk away.

Comment by kpom
2008-04-08 16:52:49

” He and his partners launched a $40 million building, a sprawling, 123-condo complex, along eclectic Belmont Street in 2006…To cope, Williams said, the complex will switch to apartments, the fourth such conversion of the slowdown.”

I drive by this development under construction every day to work. Good luck getting sky-high rents in that section of Portland (which I like, but is definitely downmarket). Of course, the neighborhood does have amenities - the methadone clinic is just a few blocks farther up Belmont street…

There is another fairly new condo a block away from this development, with about half a dozen units. The primary architectural feature of the condo is the graffiti, and the evident attempts to remove the graffiti. Rumor has it that only one person actually lives there - the rest are owned by investors trying to unload their units.

Comment by Bye FL
2008-04-08 17:07:23

LOL that FB will walk way. Either that or hes renting from one of those infestors. Let all those infestors walk away and the bank sell it for half price to actual buyers.

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Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 17:26:54

Sprawling pill box.

Sprawling sardine can.

Sprawling condominium complex!

There’s actually an apartment complex in San Jose called “The Cannery”. Luxurious.

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Comment by Jean S
2008-04-08 19:02:49

I drove by the one on Division this weekend. What garbage. Trying to turn good old “garlic village” into yup-land.

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Comment by Annata
2008-04-08 21:46:50

There are two other condo towers that have turned into high-price rental apartments over the past year. Both are in much better neighborhoods. And together, they’ve doubled the inventory of rentals in this priceclass.

That guy is deluding himself about charging premium rent for his project. There are much better places available for the money.

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Comment by Neil
2008-04-08 17:07:14

“If I can’t sell it for the price I want then I’ll just rent it out.” Gosh, where have I heard that from before ?

Hey, they left out “We’re not going to GIVE THEM AWAY!” ;)

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by MacAttack
2008-04-09 08:59:39

They’ll just rent it out FOR LOTS OF MONEY. Because they all are so special - there’s just nothing like them in the market :)

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-04-08 18:46:32

““It’s not a given that developers will be fill their condo-turned-apartment buildings at the sky-high rents they want. But Williams predicts the renters they do get will someday turn into buyers. Rents are so high, it will make financial sense for them to buy, he said. But he acknowledges that buyers will stay renters until the economy and housing prices settle.”

No. It will make financial sense for them to rent elsewhere. If prices fall enough, then it might make financial sense to buy.

 
Comment by chicagorefugee
2008-04-08 22:47:57

Whoops, they misplaced a word.

“It’s not a given that developers will not be fill their condo-turned-apartment buildings at the sky-high rents they want.”

There, it’s fixed.

 
 
Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-04-08 16:13:10

“The Chilliwack Times from Canada”

Chilliwack? Is that something you do with cold hands?

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-04-08 16:35:47

I believe it’s near Vancouver. I’d be interested to hear any local input about the market there.

Comment by Esoteric
2008-04-08 19:16:02

Chilliwack is a agricultural community about 90 minutes drive east of Vancouver (don’t listen to the people who say it’s only an hour drive, they’re wrong)

It’s pretty much all farmland (it really smells like cow dung and you can’t get away from the smell, driving through that place every summer growing up to go camping was definately not a vacation highlight)

Recently developers have swooped in hoping to capitalize on the preposterous Vancouver market fervor, buying up the relatively cheap land and building stupidly overpriced condos for 320K a pop 90 minutes outside of anything that matters.

Who wants to live in condo in a rural community?

Comment by Betamax
2008-04-08 23:12:13

Well summed up on all counts.

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Comment by Happy Renter in Vancouver
2008-04-08 21:14:16

BC’s Former Attorney general (head of all law enforcement in the province) was recently busted for “allegedly” having a conflict of interest when he was mayor of Chilliwack. Seems he was getting some of his employees to sub-divide land he had acquired after the former owners hadn’t been able to get local government to do so. Real estate developer to politician… not a great ethical leap…

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-04-08 17:08:32

I knew I was doing something wrong……

 
Comment by BottomFisher
2008-04-08 17:47:42

EH?

 
Comment by Esoteric
2008-04-08 19:01:20

Chilliwack is a very small, mostly rural “suburb” of Vancouver. It’s about a 90 minute drive east along the major highway.

It’s mostly farmland but of course in the past couple years all the developers are getting in there to try to get cheaper land but of course still charge an arm and a leg for a 2 bedroom condo combining “urban living” with “rural prices” or some other utterly retarded justification for spending 300K on a condominium hours away from the city.

 
 
Comment by az_owner
2008-04-08 16:13:25

“It’s not a given that developers will be fill their condo-turned-apartment buildings at the sky-high rents they want. But Williams predicts the renters they do get will someday turn into buyers. Rents are so high, it will make financial sense for them to buy, he said. But he acknowledges that buyers will stay renters until the economy and housing prices settle.”

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Does this make any sense? They will set rents so high that the renters there will be forced to become buyers because buying will be cheaper?

How will they handle the following: a person who neither wants to rent or buy in their stupid overpriced building? Have they even considered the existence of such a person, probably the majority of people who will drive by and laugh at their failed project?

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-04-08 16:36:59

I want to beat this guy with a rubber mallet (not really, but in my mind I’m already doing it). I’m so sick of Portland politicians pandering to this guy’s delusions of grandeur while the rest of us subsidize the taxes on 800 sq. ft, $1M condos being bought by Californians and New Yorkers with too much money (they should just call the Pearl, “New New York”).

His comment about rents is ridiculous. A guy as smart as he (man, that hurt to say that) knows rents aren’t set by someone’s pie-in-the-sky goal to cover their lofty mortgage payment.

Comment by HARM
2008-04-08 18:03:31

“Wishing price” meet “Wishing rents”.

 
 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 16:17:30

Here’s an interesting link. It quantifies “class” in the US. This is mainly in response to dutchtrader’s post in the CA yesterday, but would probably interest all.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/national/20050515_CLASS_GRAPHIC/index_01.html

Comment by Mo Money
2008-04-08 16:45:57

woo-hoo ! I’m middle class ! Oh wait, I’m still house poor and gas prices are killing me. Never mind.

Comment by gascap
2008-04-09 09:40:23

Prestige-wise, engineer is only one-notch above REALTOR. LMAO

 
 
Comment by Michael Emmel
2008-04-08 19:31:34

Interesting my income is in the 98% but my wealth is in the 55% I suspect that we have a lot of delusional people out in the world.
The problem with the poll which is interesting is it has a choice of 100-500k for wealth which is way to broad so I chose the lower one since i was at the bottom of this range.
Why no 100-250 250-500 for wealth ???? I think people are lying big time about their net worth.

Comment by Anthony
2008-04-08 20:50:41

I don’t think people are lying about their net worth; it just goes to show how many people have low-paying jobs but get inheritances. Most of the people in my age range (early 30s) who make similar incomes as me (95K-105K) have a net worth above mine because Daddy & Mommy bought them a house, and have been there to bail them out on just about everything. Even people much older than me seem to inherit most of their wealth from dead parents & grandparents. Very, very few people actually work their whole lives and save considerable assets.

Comment by MD_Renter
2008-04-08 20:54:03

I wonder if people are really reporting their “net” worth or just adding up all of their assets (e.g. house, cars) without subtracting their debts (mortgage, heloc, etc.)

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-09 16:12:26

It’s what you said. It’s not the accountants’ wealth; it’s the feely-good don’t-say-anything-bad wealth.

I have the true accounants’ wealth (assets minus liabilities) statistical tables from a few years ago in front of me as we speak.

If you saw the facts, your head would explode. (Well, maybe not, this is the HBB.)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Bye FL
2008-04-08 16:17:52

“To cope, Williams said, the complex will switch to apartments, the fourth such conversion of the slowdown. Williams acknowledges that the slowdown is real but says much of it is tied to psychology. ‘It’s between the ears,’ he said. ‘People are afraid right now.’”

Think they can rent for cash flow? If not, those developers will bleed till they walk away.

Comment by Mo Money
2008-04-08 16:33:34

yeah, here we have all these wannabe condos converting to apartments and these clowns thinks rents will be high just because they need them to be to cover expenses. Har-de-Har.

 
Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-04-08 16:42:48

Operating the building won’t cover the loan unless the construction lender offers big concessions. What would you do if you were the lender? a) Modify the loan for 3-5 years. b) Foreclose and operate as a rental. c) Foreclose and sell at a significant loss.

Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 17:14:41

I would foreclose and sell at a loss that is tiny compared to that which would be sustained in either of the 2 other scenarios.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2008-04-08 16:20:55

Williams acknowledges that the slowdown is real but says much of it is tied to psychology. ‘It’s between the ears,’ he said. ‘People are afraid right now.’”

It’s way past time to just bitch slap these fools for their comments.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-04-08 16:39:57

I would pay your plane ticket to come to Portland and do just that.

 
Comment by Spook
2008-04-08 17:40:20

Don’t bitch slap me bro!

Comment by aqius
2008-04-09 08:58:34

spook

you have me laughing at each “bro” comment.

good timing.(bro)

 
 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 16:21:03

And as for Los Altos and Los Gatos prices “holding up” in some zip codes: That’s probably becuase a new comp isn’t set until someone actually sells their place. There are too many geezers who bought their houses for $500 k and are now trying to sell for $2 MM and will hold out until the bitter end (at which point the house will sell for $500 k or so). This one’s been for sale for a year. Who do you think can hold out longer, the “rich” person who apparently needs to sell his/her house, or the renter who can rent for the rest of his/her life and end up spending way less than $2 MM on the deal?

http://www.zillow.com/Charts.htm?chartDuration=10years&zpid=19530214

Comment by Mo Money
2008-04-08 16:39:01

Err, I believe the $500K was for the land alone. It’s new construction according to listing.

 
Comment by salinasron
2008-04-08 16:44:41

Interesting chart. Somehow if taxes were put into the equation, I don’t think that I’d be that high on the charts. Then again, I’m not one who like to throw away money.

 
Comment by OhMyHowFun
2008-04-08 17:07:53

Google maps has a street view of the house…is it the one with the yellow for sale sign out front? Didn’t google did those street maps over a year ago? Either way, it gives people an idea of what 2 mill would buy during the bubble.

Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 17:32:59

HA, you’re right! I think it’s just hilarious that the Google picture has a for-sale sign on it. Now that house will be known to the world as “the one with the yellow for-sale sign on it on Google maps”.

 
Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 17:37:59

Oh, Oh! And there’s a basketball hoop right on the street in the cross-the-street-neighbor’s yard. So you get to listen to the neighborhood kids playing basketball in the middle of the street all day long. How incredibly high class! Ya gotta love these North CA wannabe snobs.

Comment by gascap
2008-04-09 09:44:45

Of the 100’s of those ugly streetside basketball hoops I’ve seen during my lifetime, probably only a couple of times have I seen them actually being used. It’s make daddy happy thinking he’s raising the next Larry Bird, but the novelty wears off really quickly much like backyard swingsets. LMAO

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Comment by Bye FL
2008-04-08 17:10:23

Sometimes relocation is the best course of action. Pay $2m for a house, rent for $7k a month or relocate and buy an upper class house with a $4k a month mortgage?

 
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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-04-09 00:48:40

OMFG!!! THAT house is for sale for $2M???? I wouldn’t pay $200K for that!! I must be misreading that, cuz no one else seems really outraged about this…..

 
Comment by Steadykat
2008-04-09 07:49:32

Nice garage, where’s the house. Oh, I see, that is the house.

 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-04-08 16:21:09


“‘Our market is pretty strong,’ said Carolyn Matson, a real estate agent at an open house for a Green Lake bungalow last weekend. ‘I think it’s nice that buyers have some room to negotiate, especially given what the market has been like for them.’”

The trend in Seattle metro for the last six months is far worse than YoY numbers. The prices (PPSF as per Radar Logic) are declining at 18.17% annual rate. West seems to be doing poorly across the board.

Three metros that are doing relatively well are: Chicago, New York and Philadelphia. Boston and DC in the East are doing badly.

Jas

Comment by grumpy realist
2008-04-08 17:22:46

Chicago, especially all the overbuilt loft stuff that they’ve been throwing up in the South Loop, is going to crash and burn like the rest of them.

We’re just waiting to see Trump’s latest grandiosity go first.

(Here in Oak Park, we’ve already seen a crash-and-burn on the townhouses, although there are still some sellers that are obviously suffering delirium–$899K for a townhouse?! When you can sniff out a decent Victorian in the Historical district right next door for less than that? Right….)

The “historical stuff” (i.e., “Frank Lloyd Wright walked by here once!”) still seems to be holding its prices; the Soviet-style “condos” without parking they can’t give away. And Oak Park is raising taxes. Figures.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-04-08 19:19:09

WSJ had a graph two weeks ago showing the Chicago-Naperville-Joliet MSA having a number of REOs far exceeding the usual bubble suspects. IIRC it showed something north of 46k REOs and the next MSA was way back in the 20s. It wasn’t pretty.

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-04-08 16:28:48

“In addition to ads, the corporation has been hosting a series of community meetings around the state to explain differences between Alaska’s housing market and locations in the Lower 48 where the housing market has crashed.”

I’ll bite. So, did your prices suddenly soar over the 2000-2006 period for along with easy credit at same time ? Did your State suddenly sprout hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs ? Did People buy dream homes ? Were people using home equity to buy new cars ? Did normal Wal-Mart Joes suddenly become savvy Real estate investors and buy mulitple properties ? Is it cheaper to rent a house than own it right now ? Does “everyone” want to live in Alaska ?

Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 17:05:56

When I hear Californians say it, I get really annoyed. For some reason, when it comes from an Alaskan, it’s highly amusing. I can feel my headache dissolving as I type.

Comment by Bye FL
2008-04-08 17:15:42

People give me a hard time about the cold in NW PA, but compared to Alaska(save for the extreme southern potion) NW PA is far milder. It’s been 60-65 degrees and will be this balmy for the next week. Anchorage meanwhile is a chilly 34 degrees and further north its freezing!

Comment by are they crazy
2008-04-08 18:07:50

So not true Bye. Spent 16 years in Alaska - 8 in Kodiak and 8 in Anchorage. Kodiak is way south (actually farther south than Juneau and we’re on the water so there wasn’t much snow and it was way prettier and way cooler than anywhere in the lower 48. Anchorage did have snow. But the dark was worse than the cold, but the spring summer and early fall way made up for it. There’s something about being an Alaskan. Never bought up there and avoided getting sucked into the post pipeline days bust. Saw prices down 50%.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-04-08 18:16:56

Alaska is big, so any generalizations are suspect. Especially about weather. I spent a summer in Anchorage. All the locals told me the same; it’s the lack of daylight in the winter that’s tough. Summers are very nice, few storms. I found out that it’s the lack of cold versus hot air.

 
Comment by Bye FL
2008-04-08 19:58:29

http://www.arborday.org/media/zones_akhi.cfm

It appears that Anchorage is in zone 5. Kodiak and Juneau are zone 6-7 depending where. So it’s just as cold as NW PA with Anchorage being much colder. I am not bashing Alaska, ive been there in the summer and the mountains are oh so beautiful! But the winters are as bad or worse than Oil City temperature wise. If you think I won’t be able to handle Oil City winters, then I also won’t be able to handle Alaskan winters save for zone 8(extreme south)

 
Comment by chicagorefugee
2008-04-08 23:02:25

Zone 7 & 8! In Alaska? I never would have guessed. I associate those zones with the south. You could bloody well grow magnolias in those regions. What an awesome map.

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-04-09 08:34:02

I am SO bummed I missed this thread!

But I will say that it is hard to get straight answers about economic trends here because no one knows the effects of oil prices, long term oil supplies and the timing of the new pipelines. All other economic activity here (though substantial) is dwarfed by comparison…we’re talking by multiple billions.

Speculation about boom and bust cycles is much less predictable here than in the lower 48. That is one way that we are definitely “different” economically. It seems an energy crisis for the rest of the country is a boon for us, but when it comes to housing hopefully the nationwide credit crunch will prevent prices from from staying too high for the average Anchorage family.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Climber
2008-04-08 16:43:20

“Jacqui Curtiss, broker in Port Orchard, says she’s not surprised the remaining units are on the auction block. ‘In real estate, timing is everything, and the timing was bad,’ Curtiss says.

Oh……., now you tell us, I thought Location was everything.

Comment by Mo Money
2008-04-08 16:48:53

Damn, you caught us. We meant the right time at the right place. Our Bad.

Comment by Neil
2008-04-08 17:11:39

lol

But Real estate only goes up! Doesn’t it? Oh my…

My new favorite is that of course the current jobs cannot afford homes, its the higher paying future jobs (lawers, Google2, etc.) that will buy these homes.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 17:42:12

What? Who the hell said that? “Higher-paid future jobs”. From where? All the plumbers are going to become lawyers? Without a basis for our economy (manufacturing, farming, etc), who are all the lawyers and Google2s going to get to pay them? Is there seriously a group of people out there who are arguing that house prices will hold up because we are all going to suddenly turn into high-paid employees? On what is this statement based?

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Comment by FreedomLover
2008-04-08 16:56:45

Climber:

Location/timing is always great for $3 million condos on the Upper West Side.

Comment by gorobei
2008-04-08 20:07:37

Just looked at a comp to my rental. It was on 83rd, listed at $3.1M w/ $2.5K+/month maint. That’s hitting around $20K/month all in.

Good luck with that given Wall St’s predicted job loses in the next few years. But hey, with 25% down required, you won’t be upside-down for a while.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2008-04-08 17:06:41

‘People are afraid right now.’

I’m not afraid you frickin’ idiot. I can’t afford your dumb condo and I am unwilling to commit financial suicide for the “pleasure of owning.”

Drop the price and I’ll show some “courage.”

Comment by Bye FL
2008-04-08 17:17:15

They are afraid to catch a falling knife when they know prices will be lower every month they wait. The herd mentality has shifted again from impulsive buying to patiently waiting. I am gonna wait for good locations to have decent houses for $50k.

 
 
Comment by Ramon Tinio
2008-04-08 17:07:20

“But Ashley and Brian Yarno, who have been looking for a fixer-upper around Green Lake for six months, think the window to buy might be smaller.”

“‘If we don’t buy within the next five months, we’re stupid,’ said Ashley Yarno, whose aunt is a real estate agent and advised the couple, in their mid-20s, that the time to act is now, before prices start climbing again.”

- Yeah, not just catch a falling knife but rushing to catch it! Smart.

Comment by Mo Money
2008-04-08 17:22:13

When you’re 20 something it’s always smart to listen to Aunt Battle-axe who is a real estate psychic and can predict prices will increase in 5 months.

 
 
Comment by flat
2008-04-08 17:28:42

HIVtv says pearl district is hot
madonna hot

 
Comment by Lisa
2008-04-08 17:37:19

“California’s residential real estate woes continues to ripple into the Southern Oregon market, said Doug Morse, an agent in Medford. ‘Forty-three percent of our buyers are from California and they’re not coming up because they haven’t been able to sell their houses.’”

Combine this with tighter lending standards & down payment requirements for the locals, and I’ll bet the buying pool for Ashland/Medford is down by 75%.

 
Comment by Big V
2008-04-08 18:03:52

This house was listed as a rental FOR EVER on craigslist. Now it’s an REO and their price is still way too high. Can you believe the guy was trying to rent out his house even though it was totally going through the foreclosure process? I hope my LL remains stable.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/rfs/634743316.html

Comment by Mo Money
2008-04-08 18:19:20

How nice, the buyer has to tear out an (illegal ?) addition to get the garage space back.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2008-04-08 19:56:52

This is one of the sad sides of the housing bubble in my book: all these idiots who “improved” houses on the theory that more sq-ft == more $$$s in their pockets. It will be hard to find houses with good unfinished basements / attics / garages when I finally get around to buying again.

 
 
Comment by Bye FL
2008-04-08 20:05:01

Thats one reason I have decided not to rent(unless rent to own in Oil City) because FB’s will try to get their house rented out, pocket the money and let you get stuck in a foreclosure. Lots of bad landlords makes it sound better to just pack up and relocate and say screw you, FB

 
 
Comment by WhatOnceWas
2008-04-08 18:14:58

Sorry if a repeat…IMF worries subprime fallout could total 1 Trillion !

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/08/business/imf.php

Gotta go: Most dangerous catch is on..:)

 
Comment by Curt
2008-04-08 19:03:38

…Williams acknowledges that the slowdown is real but says much of it is tied to psychology. ‘It’s between the ears,’ he said. ‘People are afraid right now.’”

Be afraid….be very afraid.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-08 19:24:38

The Metamorphosis of the market, by Kafka…

“‘Home prices are largely a reflection of market conditions and supply and demand and because we typically don’t experience the artificially inflated prices that can occur in the larger metropolitan areas, the market adjustments here are usually not as severe,’ Kafka said in a press release.”

Comment by kpom
2008-04-08 20:27:03

One of the larger real estate firms in the Green Bay area is Kafka Realty - it always cracked me up when I saw their name on a for sale sign.

“K. didn’t know what had happened to his title search. K. didn’t know what had happened to his earnest money. Etc…”

 
 
Comment by Expat
2008-04-08 21:10:44

Manhattan may be the last market to fall, but it is about to go. 200k jobs to be cut. That represents 25 to 100 BILLION in salary and bonuses. That means no prestige Soho two bedroom, 800 square foot loft for 3 million. That means can’t make the bubble payment on the Upper West Side pre-War duplex. That means sell, sell, sell and move back to wherever these slime-bag banksters came from.

Furthermore, the economic downturn is going to kill NYC’s budget. The police force is already losing numbers from attrition and low wages. As the city cuts the budget, there will be fewer cops on the street. Fewer cops = more crime. Basically, Manhattan will start looking a bit more like it did back in the early 90’s before Bratton cleaned it up with all those Wall Street tax dollars (fees down 75% in Q1 2008 vs Q1 2007).

The buyers will be gone. And foreigners won’t want to buy in dirty, dangerous NY.

 
Comment by jb
2008-04-08 21:58:33

Love Homer Alaska. Have been there many times. Small town that is beautiful with a nice pastoral forest/farm feel. Great fishing and hunting. However there are not many jobs and you have to put up with the winters.

When I was a kid, the winters weren’t so bad, but now, not so much. Summers are great (June-August being snow-free).

Oh yeah, after a while, any woman looks good in Alaska because there aren’t many good looking ones there and numbers relative to men are not good.

jb

 
Comment by aqius
2008-04-09 01:44:36

the highest ratio of women-to-men I’ve ever encountered was in Florida. Go to any popular beach & there are easily 30 women for every male. You cannot walk more than a few feet without seeing many women of all types.

I need a cold shower.

 
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