April 9, 2008

Bits Bucket And Craigslist Finds For April 9, 2008

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Comment by wmbz
2008-04-09 03:26:03

Lessons from Japan… The is a long article, but well worth the read IMHO. For you anti-PM folks just skip those parts. Lot’s of good info inside.

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/willie/2008/0408.html

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-04-09 04:30:04

“Ignore what’s going on around you
Let things get out of control
Claim ignorance when things crash
Ask for special powers after the fact
On 2
Break”

- Taken from page 1 of The Federal Reserve’s Playbook. The play is known as The Usurper Flee-Flicker Blue Dog 22.

Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 04:32:54

And don’t forget to put a Govt. babbling idiot in front of the camera and make sure he reads correctly from his script, “The economy is roaring and wages are up”. Do this daily to really cement your legacy into a fantasy world.

Comment by hd74man
2008-04-09 06:43:39

RE: “The economy is roaring and wages are up”

Food riots now going on in Haiti and Egypt.

The proberbial SIHTF.

Got guns?

Comment by ACH
2008-04-09 13:43:17

I got plenty o’ guns.
Roidy

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Comment by mrktMaven FL
2008-04-09 04:36:54

The airline was unable to sustain its low-fare model because of a 73 percent surge in fuel costs over the past year and competition from Cathay Pacific and four other carriers on direct London flights. The fourth airline shutdown worldwide in two weeks left thousands of passengers stranded in Hong Kong, the U.K. and Canada.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a6vpdkAJYPYs&refer=home

Comment by aNYCdj
2008-04-09 04:50:46

You should see La Guardia Airport this morning…..lots of stranded passengers inside the American Airlines terminal…and no one dropping off any passengers and about 8 news trucks with their antennas up in the air…

Comment by tresho
2008-04-09 05:15:03

From the AA website:

MD-80 Aircraft Inspections Affect Some AA Travel

American is cancelling several hundred flights starting on April 8 to conduct additional inspections of its MD-80 fleet. These inspections are to ensure precise and complete compliance with the FAA’s directive related to wiring in the aircraft’s wheel wells. We sincerely regret this inconvenience and are actively working to re-accommodate our affected customers. Please be assured that safety of our customers is, and always will be, American’s first priority. For more information about your flight, please check Gates & Times.
Apparently this continues today.

Comment by WT Economist
2008-04-09 05:43:30

I’m not sure it’s true in this case, but sudden “maintenance” needs reminds me of Enron gaming the price of electricity in California.

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Comment by palmetto
2008-04-09 05:48:30

I was wondering about those sudden “maintenance” needs myself. Wondering if perhaps certain airlines maybe were doing this to prove a point, in reaction to regulations.

In any case, when the airlines started to take a dump, it made me think that the wheels were finally coming off the system in the US.

 
Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 06:00:19

An effect of the ‘maintenance’ down time is a rapid increase in cash flow.

 
Comment by maria
2008-04-09 06:09:15

Hoz:
How does down time increase cash flow?
-Maria

 
Comment by Brian in Chicago
2008-04-09 06:48:53

How does down time increase cash flow?

Reduced outlays (fuel, landing fees, etc), increased ticket prices on the non-canceled flights and they are 100% full instead of 85% full.

 
Comment by pnc
2008-04-09 08:24:17

Increased cash flow and possibly a decreased crash flow

 
 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 07:16:28

The airline biz is a dodgy prospect in the best of times, and a canary in a coal mine @ 35,000 feet, in bad times…

Comment by wittbelle
2008-04-09 09:21:12

Here’s Jon Stewart’s take from last night:http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=165748&title=airplane

 
 
 
Comment by Spook
2008-04-09 04:44:51

Question,

state law requires you notify DMV within 30 days of changing your address; so if a foreclosure results in a person becoming homeless and living in their car, what do they notify DMV of regarding their “new address?”

Comment by combotechie
2008-04-09 04:46:46

Wherever they get their mail would be my guess.

Comment by tresho
2008-04-09 04:51:38

From the USPS web site: “General Delivery is a great choice for you if carrier service or a PO Box is not an option. Your mail will be held at your Main Post Office for up to 30 days and can be conveniently picked up at any retail window. This is also a great option if you don’t have a permanent address.”
I actually received something through General Delivery while I was on vacation once. Very handy & little-known service by the USPS.

Comment by jbunniii
2008-04-09 05:32:05

Yep, I moved across the country some years ago and hadn’t yet established an address at the other end, so the post office advised me to forward my mail to General Delivery at my target ZIP code. It worked like a charm! Prior to that, I thought it was some antiquated service that you only heard about in old movies, similar to “operator, get me long distance.”

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Comment by tresho
2008-04-09 05:34:38

Prior to that, I thought it was some antiquated service Same here!

 
 
Comment by Brian in Chicago
2008-04-09 05:49:52

I had to use General Delivery for a few months back when I rented a townhouse from a first-time landlord… The development wasn’t fully done and the Post Office refuses to send their vehicles into subdivisions when heavy machinery is still present and operating.

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Comment by diogenes (Tampa)
2008-04-09 05:29:15

………Current location where the car is parked.

Comment by Spook
2008-04-09 05:50:40

I think you guys are missing the point. A post office box is not a residence; sure, its an address, but you can’t live in it. Plus, in order to get a license in another state, you need proof of residency such as utility or phone bills in your name at the new address…

What Im really asking is,

is it unlawful for a homeless person to operate a motor vehicle?

Comment by eastcoaster
2008-04-09 06:19:53

I don’t recall providing proof of residency in another state to get a new license. I moved from PA to IL back to PA back to IL and back to PA again without ever having to do this (as I recall).

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Comment by Kim
2008-04-09 11:40:01

Having just moved to IL, I can say that you do, in fact, need proof of residency to do anything here.

However, we were told we had 90 days (not 30) to change over our drivers license & registration.

 
 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-04-09 07:20:25

Spook, anyone can legally operate a motor vehicle if they’re insured and licensed, real address or not. Ask all the illegals in this country.

What’s the worst that will happen if you don’t notify them? Will they ever know the difference? These are the questions you ask. With our mobile society, I suspect this is one rule they have no way of enforcing. I’ve moved tons and never notified anybody but my bank and friends. More Big Brother crap. Just say nunya…

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Comment by bicoastal
2008-04-09 07:58:12

In Maine, my phone bills, electric bills, everything come to my PO Box, since there is no mail delivery to our house. I guess the state of Maine accepts the fact that you have a PO Box as “proof of residency” in the state.

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Comment by deeogee
2008-04-09 18:56:10

Just moved to Orygone . This state requires specific proof of address; if it’s not on their approved list– it isn’t acceptable. However, if you are homeless just let them know where you hang out. An example similar to that given on the state wet-site ; John Doe, under the Markham Bridge etc. etc.

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Comment by RoundSparrow
2008-04-10 04:17:44

is it unlawful for a homeless person to operate a motor vehicle?

I Suggest you research the terms “full time RV”. Or “full timer”.

I found the laws nearly impossible, we are for sure not the land of the free.

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Comment by samk
2008-04-09 07:18:24

Casey Serin’s driveway.

 
 
Comment by Englishman in NJ
2008-04-09 04:51:58

Turns out that hedge funds are a scam. Really, who knew?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aPM_46b_7s3k&refer=home

Comment by txchick57
2008-04-09 04:59:34

Thanks for that. I think of all the trolls and obnoxious posters I’ve seen here, “hedge fund analyst” was the worst. It’s like all the stock or futures “trading system” hucksters who always have these killer systems but will sell it to suckers for peanuts.

Comment by Englishman in NJ
2008-04-09 05:04:25

Very similar to all those people who head to Vegas with a “system”. They either try to cheat the casinos or go broke from some lame misunderstanding of the laws of probability.

Or both.

Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 05:21:40

How can you “cheat” the casinos? lol

Card counting is not cheating. It is just more difficult with 6 decks. (One of the fascinating linguistic tidbits is in the Chinese numerical system all digits are single syllables as opposed to English where we say eighteen, for example. The result is the ability of Chinese to remember more digits, better card counters.)

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Comment by Englishman in NJ
2008-04-09 05:31:01

Use of electronic devices are the most common way to cheat casinos.

 
Comment by txchick57
2008-04-09 05:41:15

I’d be scared to death in a casino. Makes me laugh when people say I gamble in the stock markets.

 
Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 05:42:27

I suppose there are people stupid enough to try to cheat. Point taken.

 
Comment by tresho
2008-04-09 05:44:51

Makes me laugh when people say I gamble in the stock markets. It’s not gambling when you know what you’re doing.

 
Comment by palmetto
2008-04-09 05:57:29

“Yet, it appears many funds have just been relying on a rising market and sitting back and collecting 20 percent — the typical performance fee on a hedge fund — of the profits.”

You mean, kinda like the “little folks” who bought a house and depended on the housing market to rise?

In any event, this is a great article and what it says to me is, the emperor has no clothes.

 
Comment by packman
2008-04-09 06:42:53

To me cheating is defined as having access to information that others don’t, and using that information for your gain.

E.g. Insider trading is cheating, because the person has access to information that others don’t. Peeking at your neighbor’s cards is cheating for the same reason.

This is not true for either card counting or day trading - everyone has access to that information, it’s just a matter of how good you are at using that information. Being good at using information is not cheating.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 07:34:17

“Being good at using information is not cheating”

Will land you in prison in Nevada, should you try and ply your trade @ the casinos a little too often.

Democracy is a fragile concept in the green felt jungles~

 
Comment by sfv_hopeful
2008-04-09 08:38:26

“(One of the fascinating linguistic tidbits is in the Chinese numerical system all digits are single syllables as opposed to English where we say eighteen, for example. The result is the ability of Chinese to remember more digits, better card counters.)”

Maybe I misunderstood your post, but I don’t know about that. It’s true that in Chinese, all single digits are single syllables, but eighteen is also 2 syllables in Chinese (pronounced like, “10, 8″). “4,276″ is 7 syllables in Chinese not 4.

 
Comment by packman
2008-04-09 11:00:01

“Will land you in prison in Nevada, should you try and ply your trade @ the casinos a little too often.”

Nope. The casinos can refuse you service, but counting cards is not illegal, thus they cannot charge you with a crime.

 
Comment by Max
2008-04-09 11:30:19

Even without cheating a casino can ban a good card-counting player, it happened to the MIT poker team in the 90’s. Since most of the team old-timers were banned from much of Las Vegas, they had to recruit new students to make money for the team.

 
 
Comment by Simiwatch
2008-04-09 08:51:40

Casino use special wiring (shielded wire) for all communication wires. Was just at the ISC (International Security Show) in Las Vegas last week. Attendance was very good. Watch out for cameras. They are smaller and wireless. Always assume you are on or being recorded in public. Also, the recording devices record and store more at a very low cost.

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Comment by bluprint
2008-04-09 09:47:02

Simiwatch, I’ve been considering how to build a reliable and inexpensive surveillance solution for my residence for quite some time. I’m thinking wireless cameras on the perimeter, motion detection to save disk space and offsite storage of video feeds (to mitigate against possible theft of an onsite video storage device).

Do you have any recommendations for online resources to help with such a thing? I would like to do most of it myself to save $$.

 
Comment by sfv_hopeful
2008-04-09 12:07:02

I did something just like what you describe for a friend of mine recently. I’m not a pro, just an avid amateur tinkerer, but after evaluating several options, I ended up getting him a 4-channel security system from costco for 399. It’s not wireless, but it does have some low-light cameras with motion detection. I also got him some a couple of NAS storage boxes each using RAID 1, and configured it to sync over the internet to the other one at his home (vs. business). Cherry on top was to make it accessible over the internet so he can always see what was going on from anywhere. Total cost, including 4 500gb harddrives was just over a grand (he already had a good router).

 
Comment by bluprint
2008-04-09 13:20:02

What NAS devices did you use? I expected I would have to write my own apps to handle moving the video feeds offsite. Your solution sounds a lot better.

 
Comment by sfv_hopeful
2008-04-09 13:55:48

Both NAS boxes were D-Link DNS-323s that were selling as open-box items at Frys for $130. I let my bro-in-law handle the configuration since I was busy punching holes and threading cable through the walls for the wires, but I believe he used rsync or some other similar linux command line tool to actually configure the sync. I have to go back sometime to see how it’s all working over time, so may have to tweak it a bit with a different tool depending on the amount of data captured. The DNS-323s are nice for the price, but are definitely not speed demons, even given the RAID 1. Good luck.

 
Comment by sfv_hopeful
2008-04-09 14:09:18

Ah… my post got eaten…here goes #2. I used a couple of D-Link DNS-323s that were open-box items at Frys for $130 each. My bro-in-law actually did most of the configuration since I was busy with punching holes in the walls and running wire, but I believe he used rsync or some other linux command line app. I’ve got to go back sometime and possibly tweak it with another app, depending on the amount of data generated. The dns-323 is a really nice, well-featured NAS, especially for the price, but speed demon it aint, even given the RAID 1. Good luck.

 
Comment by sfv_hopeful
2008-04-09 14:24:58

Ok. Twice swallowed, hopefully third post is the charm. I used a couple of D-Link DNS-323s that were open-box items at Frys for $130 each. My bro-in-law actually did most of the configuration since I was busy with punching holes in the walls and running wire, but I believe he used rsync or some other linux command line app. I’ve got to go back sometime and possibly tweak it with another app, depending on the amount of data generated. The dns-323 is a really nice, well-featured NAS, especially for the price, but speed demon it aint, even given the RAID 1. Good luck.

 
Comment by Bloz
2008-04-10 01:00:04

2600 Magazine issue Winter 2007-2008 has a nice little article titled “Power Trip” that describes a simple setup in detail.

 
 
 
Comment by MazNJ
2008-04-09 09:12:49

While this may be like trying to swim up a waterfall in this crowd, not every hedge fund is full of arsehats who think they’re God’s gift to Wall Street/Greenwich/etc. Some actually do their research, etc. And then there’s the other 80/90 percent…

 
 
Comment by tresho
2008-04-09 05:11:20

“you can just replicate an investment strategy devised elsewhere, take big positions, and collect enormous performance fees until the whole thing blows up. By then, you will already have pocketed plenty of money, and you won’t have to pay any of it back if the fund goes bust.” What’s not to like about this? Pay no attention to the stiffed investors.

Comment by txchick57
2008-04-09 06:21:26

until they sue you

Comment by Max
2008-04-09 11:38:32

This is what “limited liability” thingy is for, as long as you don’t resort to embezzling, there can be no claims to your assets. They can sue all they want, you’re gonna be kicking it in the Carribean with nubian hotties.

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Comment by edhopper
2008-04-09 06:23:32

My favorite quote.
“It is very hard to set up an incentive structure that rewards skilled hedge-fund managers without at the same time rewarding unskilled managers and outright con artists,”

I’ve said for years that these vultures are picking apart the economy, leaving only scraps for the rest of us.

Comment by neuromance
2008-04-09 09:52:47

The robber barons of the last century at least left some infrastructure and new technology in their wake.

This current crop of robber barons seem to be leaving little but innovative ways to loot the Treasury.

 
 
Comment by Earl 288
2008-04-09 07:04:14

What about mutual funds? They gamble away other people`s money, but they always get their commissions.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 07:28:12

It was just a Self Full Filling Profit, See?

Comment by ahansen
2008-04-09 11:29:41

Aaaargh.

Does Mrs. Alladinsane ever just turn around and smack you a good one when you do that?

Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 11:44:07

We are both too punny for our own good.

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Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 12:07:14

p.s.

I was up in your neck of the woods the past couple days, and was taken aback by all the home building going on in the foothills of the Kern River, on highway 178.

Bakersfield knew no bounds…

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Comment by Max
2008-04-09 11:42:03

Touché :)

 
 
 
Comment by tresho
2008-04-09 05:03:34

Deferred Prosecutions New DOJ tool:
In a major shift of policy, the Justice Department, once known for taking down giant corporations, including the accounting firm Arthur Andersen, has put off prosecuting more than 50 companies suspected of wrongdoing over the last three years. Many companies have avoided the cost and stigma of defending themselves against criminal charges with a so-called deferred prosecution agreement, which allows the government to collect fines and appoint an outside monitor to impose internal reforms without going through a trial. In many cases, the name of the monitor and the details of the agreement are kept secret.
Deferred prosecutions have become a favorite tool of the Bush administration. But some legal experts now wonder if the policy shift has led companies, in particular financial institutions now under investigation for their roles in the subprime mortgage debacle, to test the limits of corporate anti-fraud laws.
This stinks.
At a Congressional hearing last month, Mr. Ashcroft defended the agreements, saying that they avoided “destroying entire corporations” through criminal indictments. “Prosecutors understand that a corporate indictment can be a corporate death sentence.” he said.
A corporate death sentence is a feature, not a bug. Some corporations deserve destruction. They euthanize people, don’t they?
Michael McDonald, a former Internal Revenue Service investigator in Miami who is a private consultant and has given seminars on deferred prosecutions, said such deals “should not be on the board” in the subprime mortgage investigations.

“In light of what this did to our economy, people shouldn’t just be able to write a check and walk away,” Mr. McDonald said. “People should be prosecuted for it and go to jail.”

Comment by SDGreg
2008-04-09 05:27:55

“Instead, many companies, from boutique outfits to immense corporations like American Express, have avoided the cost and stigma of defending themselves against criminal charges with a so-called deferred prosecution agreement, which allows the government to collect fines and appoint an outside monitor to impose internal reforms without going through a trial. In many cases, the name of the monitor and the details of the agreement are kept secret.”

Is this even legal? It’s yet another example of corporations being given more rights than ordinary citizens by what may be the most corrupt administration in history. This must stop.

Comment by tresho
2008-04-09 05:39:07

Is this even legal? It’s yet another example of corporations being given more rights than ordinary citizens IANAL, but I think prosecutors have always had many choices on how issues are pursued. Hauling someone into court is only one of their choices, threatening to do so is another. Corporations have many advantages not given to ordinary citizens, immortality is one of them, and limited liability for corporate owners is another. I hope one result of the current debacle will be a restructuring of corporate law to redress unfair corporate advantages & to compensate the rest of us for corporate misbehavior.

Comment by palmetto
2008-04-09 06:05:05

“I hope one result of the current debacle will be a restructuring of corporate law to redress unfair corporate advantages & to compensate the rest of us for corporate misbehavior.”

Right on! Another pearl of wisdom from one of my fave posters. I was thinking maybe the people should sue for the same rights as corps.

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Comment by Tulkinghorn
2008-04-09 06:56:55

I would love to know whom to sue for immortality and limited liability. Last I heard, there is no way to prove up personal service on the almighty.

 
 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2008-04-09 07:01:50

Or better yet, a REPEAL of corporate law altogether.

I believe that the principle of limited liability is badly flawed and may be at the root of all these types of problems.

I have started a research project to learn more about corporate law and its critics and defenders. I have yet to find anyone who can make a convincing policy argument in favor of limited liability.

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Comment by polly
2008-04-09 09:53:48

The generally accepted argument is that limited liability is necessary to allow centralized, professional management. If the owners didn’t have limited liability (the argument goes), they would insist on being involved in all or most decision making. That would result in extremely cumbersome management OR an extremely small number of owners. Cumbersome management vastly reduces efficiency. An extremely small number of owners limits the ability to raise capital and thus limits growth. Limited liability of owners allows them to feel safe investing their money with a powerful group of professional managers since their downside is limited to the amount of the initial investment.

You get a bigger problem when the government intervenes to make sure the owners don’t even lose the totality of their initial investment which is what you get when, for example, the fed puts its funds on the line to prevent Bear Sterns from going bankrupt. You also get huge problems when the professional management is allowed to give themselves pay packages that limit their responsibility for their bad decisions.

 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-04-09 08:41:51

I hope one result of the current debacle will be a restructuring of corporate law to redress unfair corporate advantages & to compensate the rest of us for corporate misbehavior.

This is long overdue.

Tax breaks, “economic incentives,” off-shoring, compensation issues, environmental regulations, accounting / reporting issues, falsifying scientific data, limited liability — the list is mind-boggling. Currently getting my goat: corporations who set up shop in the Caymans or other tax havens and yet are still given lucrative government contracts (a la KBR). And, oh yeah, white collar financial sector criminals who aren’t in the pokey for some unknown reason.

We reward far too much corporate bad behavior.

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Comment by Max
2008-04-09 11:45:14

I think it’s time we make corporations mortal, they’ve screwed around enough to have plenty of kids. I say, can them after 70 years, bury the remains.

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Comment by diogenes (Tampa)
2008-04-09 06:15:58

‘It reminds me of a story of a woman here in Florida a couple of years back. She was around 80 years old and ran down some people sitting on a bus stop bench. At least one was killed, as I recall. The prosecution wanted her license REVOKED. She pleaded that wouldn\’t be okay if she just got higher liability limits on her insurance. Running people over is okay, as long as you have insurance to payout for \”damages\”.??? Sounds like the same logic applies. Everything for a price. Thanks G.W., for showing us what a \”market economy\’ is all about. Send out a few no-bid contracts while your at it.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 07:37:32

’ssshrubery’s moniker would be better served if he called himself, “The Decliner”

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Comment by edhopper
2008-04-09 06:27:07

“It’s yet another example of corporations being given more rights than ordinary citizens by what may be the most corrupt administration in history. This must stop. ”

You don’t need the qualifier “what may be”, it clearly is.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-04-09 05:49:24

This looks like the solution to a big economic problem in New York State.

For years, Upstate towns have relied on prisons full of poor Blacks and Latinos from New York CIty for jobs. But poor Blacks and Latinos have screwed people out of their right to a secure living by committing fewer crimes, leading to a threat to close the emptying prisons. Upstate representatives in the state legislature are fighting this, given that a job at a prison with no prisoners is even better than a job at a prison with prisoners.

Perhaps there is one financial problem the financial sector CAN solve.

Comment by diogenes (Tampa)
2008-04-09 06:37:58

I think you err in your analysis. You think there is less crime. I think there are just fewer prosecutions.
The same result………less incarcerations.
But one does not necessarily imply the other.

Comment by Kirisdad
2008-04-09 08:12:08

Bingo diogenes! incareration is expensive. Enlightened law enforcement of the 21 century. Hiding behind liberal attitudes, when the real reason is cheaper ways of doing business. Alternative sentencing is pushing todays problems into the future, much like the goldilocks economy. Eventually, the piper has to be paid.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 08:30:28

For profit prisons have been one of this country’s leading financial sectors, sadly.

 
 
 
 
Comment by novawatcher
2008-04-09 20:11:19

Cripes, this stinks to high-hell. So much for the rule of law. Is this even constitution. In fact, I would say that it’s downright un-American.

Is this what we are fighting a war for? Upholding some strange crony-capitalism-klepto-old-boy-network thingamabob?

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 05:05:00

This sounds like fun stuff, if it weren’t people’s lives you were dealing.

“…An executive who works with a big Icelandic bank recalls: “Upon entering the bar I was approached by one of the hedge fund managers. He informed me that all people in this party – except for him, of course – were shorting Iceland.” The executive says the fund manager described Iceland’s profit-making potential as the “second coming of Christ”.

“As dinner progressed – some people actually decided not to eat at all but just sit at the bar – and more drinks were downed, the conversation and questions started to get more hostile and short positions openly declared,” the executive says….

The suspicion is that speculators exerted undue pressure on the illiquid CDS market in the knowledge that the wider the spread went, the more fear of a banking collapse would contaminate the stock and currency markets. There are also concerns about the way rumours were spread about the alleged reliance of Iceland’s banks on internet deposits, which triggered reports in UK newspapers that such deposits could be withdrawn rapidly…..”

FT
http://tinyurl.com/57kny8
It is one thing to be right about a country’s creditworthiness as Mr. George Soros proved to the Bank of England,. If it is collusion, I hope they are castrated.

Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 05:58:19

Small countries are especially vulnerable. The run on Malaysia a few years ago comes to mind, and a lot of people made money on the Argentine collapse. The Russian collapse, OTOH, caught a lot of hedgies on the wrong side of the trade.

Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 09:43:43

Imagine getting the cold shoulder, in Iceland?

 
 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 05:15:36

Fed Weighs Its Options in Easing Crunch
By Greg Ip

“WASHINGTON — The Federal Reserve is considering contingency plans for expanding its lending power in the event its recent steps to unfreeze credit markets fail.

Among the options: Having the Treasury borrow more money than it needs to fund the government and leave the proceeds on deposit at the Fed; issuing debt under the Fed’s name rather than the Treasury’s; and asking Congress for immediate authority for the Fed to pay interest on commercial-bank reserves instead of waiting until a previously enacted law permits it in 2011….”
WSJ
http://tinyurl.com/6ap6sl

Comment by Ernest
2008-04-09 10:11:37

April 09, 2008

Who Will Bail Out the FED?
by Alex Wallenwein

Whoever believes that the most recent Fed/JP Morgan heist to acquire Bear Stearns, along with other simultaneous and preceding Fed actions, were “successful” had better check again.

The current crisis is so severe, and it has already forced the Fed to reach into its own balance sheet grab-bag so deeply, that a very legitimate question arises, and the question is this: when the Fed ploughs all the way through its own balance sheet and gets to the bottom of the barrel, who will bail it out?
Alex Wallenwein
Editor, Publisher
The Euro vs Dollar Monitor

http://www.safehaven.com:80/article-9920.htm

 
 
Comment by firefox user
2008-04-09 05:21:32

Modern Day Feudalism

I’m head in the sand about my taxes this year, having made a few mistakes last year (listened to bad advice and didn’t sock away enough pre-tax money by the deadlines). But we got smacked by AMT big time and I expect the same this year. Still, better to write a check than loan money for a year to the g’vt.

Someone asked on the previous thread, “What do you call someone who works for enough money for food and housing?” The answer was Modern Feudalism, but you aren’t bound to the land.

But aren’t some of these stuck homebuyers kind of bound to the land, especially in recourse states?

Comment by tresho
2008-04-09 05:28:47

What do you call someone who works for enough money for food and housing? An employee? An average guy? One of us?
but you aren’t bound to the land Being able to move on & seek other employment is a terrific advantage for wage-earners, not to be underestimated. Having other places to move to & the means to do so hasn’t always been possible and easy. The discovery of the New World changed the economy of mankind.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-04-09 07:26:45

Skilled workers wandering the country in colorful gypsy wagons.

Comment by CrackerJim
2008-04-09 07:58:17

Skilled at what?

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Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-04-09 09:38:59

wandering like gypsies…

 
Comment by CrackerJim
2008-04-09 09:49:51

LOL!

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2008-04-09 08:27:56

With outsourcing and inflation and AMT even skilled labor will see it’s purchasing power eroded. Moving to a new site may not improve their situation. Again those who advocated outsourcing said that world demand would rise and stimulate our economy as well. What they left out is that natural resource inflation would limit demand, leaving armies of skilled and unskilled workers across the globe fighting for the remaining jobs. A rapid race to the bottom in terms of wages and regulation on business and environmental proctions will occur. Moving in this type of environment may not improve your standing like it did in the past.

 
 
 
Comment by kckid
2008-04-09 05:24:56

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/04/08/random_thoughts

Random Thoughts

Some people actually think that televising Congress gives us information. What it really does is give politicians millions of dollars worth of free advertising, while they play charades on camera to fool the rest of us.

Alfred E. Neuman of Mad magazine said: “What, me worry?” During election years, Democrats running for office say: “What, me liberal?”

Senator John McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama can cause me to vote for McCain.

What is more scary than any particular candidate or policy is the gullibility of the public and their willingness to be satisfied with talking points, rather than serious arguments.

One way to reduce illegal immigration might be to translate some of our far left publications into Spanish and give everyone in Mexico subscriptions. After they read how terrible this country is, many may want to stay away.

Comment by sevenofnine
2008-04-09 05:54:21

We may not have to worry about the illegals for long. Steve from CNBC was on Morning Joe this morning reporting that there have been less illegals crossing our border since our economy is tanking.

Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 06:07:24

I can confirm the anecdotal evidence. Two brazilians that work for a block/masonry outfit told me their friends are going back to Brazil. No work.

Comment by palmetto
2008-04-09 06:31:21

Around here, stealing has become more brazen. When I was out at the charity thrifts over the weekend, I watched as one of these turds pocketed, right in front of me, a small tool, while the lady who was waiting on him went to check a price for him on another item. I just stared him down, while he grinned back, challenging me to say something. I didn’t. He is, after all, stealing from his own, since the charity in question runs a food bank for migrant workers. The real capper, though, was when the lady came back with a price, $3.00, and he said loudly and emphatically “NO, dos!”, bargaining with her after stealing.

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Comment by phillygal
2008-04-09 09:01:33

He’s stealing the small tools that Americans won’t steal.

 
Comment by Rintoul
2008-04-09 12:55:06

I know! Isn’t it crazy how only the “illegals” steal!? Amazing!

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2008-04-09 13:13:59

“I know! Isn’t it crazy how only the “illegals” steal!? Amazing!”

I remember a long time ago before it was deemed racist to keep crime statistics for illegals the percentage of residential burglaries committed by illegals in San Diego was 68%. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

 
Comment by phillygal
2008-04-09 14:12:26

I know! Isn’t it crazy how only the “illegals” steal!? Amazing!

Did I ever say that only illegals steal? No, I did not. In fact, I implied that their stealing abilities were inferior to the US citizenry, given that they will shoplift only small necessities. But given time, I am sure they will equal and then surpass the thieving capabilities of their criminal US citizen brethren.

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2008-04-09 19:08:24

“I just stared him down, while he grinned back, challenging me to say something. I didn’t.”

That was far more upssetting to me than the stealing. Why not? You tried to justify it but it’s just an excuse - the migrants being feed may be too religious to steal. Or maybe the person who wouldn’t steal is the oone who doesn’t get to eat. If you (and all of us) don’t scream and yell when we see a shoplifter it will not stop. What’s the saying? The worst things happen when good people do nothing. Dig in for your inner a-hole or b&%$* and yell up a storm when you see this kind of crap. Time for the honest to take back our nation.

 
Comment by CA renter
2008-04-10 03:21:24

Amen, SD RE Bear!!!! :)

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2008-04-09 06:19:16

Can we do a head fake here in the US? Of course, it might be more real than head fake, but a spectacular collapse might cause the ultimate in a voluntary self-deportation of illegals, even with their anchor babies and extended families. Since they are only here for the beer, so to speak. When the bartender shouts “Last Call”, they stagger for the exits. Then, voila! Dig a ditch from sea to shining sea (forget the fence), enact and enforce draconian laws (making those laws retro-active, just to convince the few stragglers left) and then presto! Revive the US businesses and economy with actual citizens.

Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-04-09 07:06:26

I think Ron Paul said it best when he states that emigration is only a problem because of our poor economy and over-regulated business environment. You cannot subsidize american works AND be competitive on the world market at the same time! The only way to maintain a higher standard of living than the rest of the world is to PRODUCE more than the rest of the world.

Emigration is just the flip side of out sourcing and will continue as long as our economy can support the imbalance in labor rates.

What we all need to remember is that your income has no relation to what you need or want or the cost of living in an area. Your income (in the long run) is ultimately determined by how much you produce relative to everyone else in the world. For the last 20 years we have been replacing production of goods with production of debt. We have it peak debt.

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Comment by Bub Diddley
2008-04-09 09:26:06

“emigration is only a problem because of our poor economy and over-regulated business environment”

Not exactly true. Our economy, though failing, is still better than Mexico, hence Mexicans cross the border to escape the poverty of their home country.

Our businesses are UNDER-regulated, as far as hiring illegals is concerned. We used to actually enforce the law, previously construction firms actually hired American workers, paid taxes, insurance, etc. It is more profitable to pay cash under the table to illegals than it is to fill out the paperwork and hire legal workers. Having an underground slave labor class with no legal rights is more profitable for American business, hence enforcement of labor laws that protect both the illegals from exploitation and American workers from having their wages undercut is not a priority.

“You cannot subsidize american works AND be competitive on the world market at the same time!”

Most of Europe subsidizes their work force substantially (with healthcare, vacation time, etc.) and they STILL manage to kick our ass economically. But the salaries of top officers of these corporations is not as out of whack with average workers as it is here in the states.

American companies could still be profitable while hiring only legal American workers here at home, and not shipping jobs overseas to third world sweatshops. But they would be *gasp* slightly less profitable. Massive CEO payouts might have to be curtailed slightly. The money is there, American business is still hugely profitable. The pursuit of larger, short-term profits was pursued at the expense of long-term vision and profit both for corporations and the country as a whole.

Companies in some other countries place importance on factors other than profits at all cost, if not for their own best interest than because they are held accountable by their governments and citizens.

 
Comment by Jon
2008-04-09 09:51:23

I disagree that your standard of living is related to how much you produce. It is related to your ability to control prices. If you are competing with a billion chinese willing to work for $1 a day, your standard of living will become the same as the chinese. On the other hand, if you are a surgeon who holds the life of someone’s child in his hands, you can charge as much as the person has.

Individual productivity is meaningless in a world with billions of peasants. Knowledge and skills are easily traded and expanded. Globalization must, over the short term (next 100 years or so) lead to a massive reduction in the standard of living for the bottom 90% of America.

I intend to accumulate enough wealth so that my children will not have to face the horrors of their friends and neighbors in the next generations. After that, they are on their own.

 
Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-04-09 11:51:51

Jon,
Productivity in different areas is subject to supply and demand. Let us suppose that we lived in a world without crime and everyone respect everyone else’s property rights. In this world there is freedom to travel from place to place just like we have in the United States. When this happens each individual is competing to provide the best service to other individuals at the best price so they can maximize their own personal standard of living.

Anything you do to “keep jobs here” will push up salaries (smaller supply of workers) but will also push up the cost of products (less purchasing power for salary).

If we had a less regulated and less taxed economy and actually PRODUCED stuff in this country then we would be welcoming all of the illegal emigrants because there would be demand for more workers.

Instead we have a country where everyone is trying to live at the expense of everyone else. We are fighting to keep our part of the pie instead of earning our part of the pie, meanwhile the pie is shrinking.

 
 
Comment by spike66
2008-04-09 07:42:10

Can we hear from the folks in Arizona? Their new law on not employing illegals is now in effect. How’s that working? Some counties in Florida are also now enforcing immigration laws.
I’ve seen a few small articles on Mexicans, now without work in the US, using NAFTA to cross into Canada and claim free housing and other benefits…there’s no way illegals and their associated costs are not a huge drag on the economy.

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Comment by bicoastal
2008-04-09 08:06:03

I would like to see the stats on the new immigration policies re: the bursting of the housing bubble.

“Can we hear from the folks in Arizona? Their new law on not employing illegals is now in effect. How’s that working?”

 
Comment by phillygal
2008-04-09 09:04:04

I’ve seen a few small articles on Mexicans, now without work in the US, using NAFTA to cross into Canada and claim free housing and other benefits

HA! That ought to finally harsh Canada’s coast-to-coast mellow.

 
Comment by CrackerJim
2008-04-09 11:37:44

WSJ for Wed 4/9/2008 has article about migrant crossings:
Data in article was from period October 1, 2007-March 31, 2008 during whcih overall apprehension along Mexican border was down 17%.
Quote:
“The drop was particularly stark in the Yuma sector in Arizona, with apprehension plunging 76% to 5,909 people. That state passed a law effective Jan. 1 that cracks down on employers who hire undocumented workers.”

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 08:34:05

Of course, it might be more real than head fake, but a spectacular collapse might cause the ultimate in a voluntary self-deportation of illegals, even with their anchor babies and extended families.

There is a saying in Mexico: When the US sneezes Mexico catches pneumonia. If things collapse here, they will be far worse in Mexico.

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Comment by manny
2008-04-09 06:25:36

The rate of increase may have slowed but the number is still increasing. There are 20 million illegals here and that number is growing every day.

But the good news is that John McAmnesty and Hillary/Obama have a plan to end all illegal immigration. Make them all legal and problem solved.

Comment by Matt_In_TX
2008-04-09 07:30:45

I was reading around the net and found people passionately castigating others for racist hate speech with legal consequences (describing the “most vulnerable workers in America” (paraphrased to remove spelling errors) as “illegal aliens” is apparently considered hate speech against Mexicans).

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Comment by spike66
2008-04-09 07:54:35

“…paraphrased to remove spelling errors) as “illegal aliens” is apparently considered hate speech against Mexicans).”

Almost certainly Mexicans using the net to further their own interests.

 
 
 
 
Comment by edhopper
2008-04-09 06:32:33

Sorry kckid it’s not just the liberals. 81% of the public believes this country is heading in the wrong direction. (the highest ever polled!) And the overwhelming majority blames Bush and the Republicans. And before you tell me about the bad ratings for Congress, look closer at the polls. The main reason for the bad ratings is their inablitly to stop Bush.

Comment by manny
2008-04-09 07:45:23

A lot of that unhappiness is due to their own idiocy. I’ll bet millions of people are unhappy that their once $800K home is now worth $600K yet they have a $789K mortgage left. And it’s easy to say BUSH’S FAULT than admit they made a mistake.

A lot of the unhappiness is also due to gas prices. Now I know that Bush/Cheney are involved in a grand conspiracy to make money for their “oil buddies”. But riddle me this…wasn’t gas at $2.20 in Nov 2006. Since the Dems have taken over has has gone up 50% in price. Didn’t they campaign on waving the magic wand and bringing gas back to $1 a gallon….you know like they will wave the magic wand and stop the housing collapse.

Comment by measton
2008-04-09 08:38:03

The housing collapse does fall on GW’s lap
1. Borrow and spend republicans have driven up the deficit which has caused the dollar to fall, and causes interest rates to be higher than they would be normally.
2. Bushco fought states on rolling back preditory lending.
3. Bushco has rolled back regulation on banks, read some of the posts above. Corporate America gets the equivalent of a hand slap for rape.
4. The war in Iraq and no effort at conservation has made the US much more vulnerable. The war in Iraq took Iraqi oil off line, it consumes millions of gallons of gas a day, it created uncertainty and traders bid up oil. It has also depleted our treasury and contributes to the problems above.

Imagine if after 9/11 our president stood up and told America the truth, that the US addiction to oil would drag us down. Then spent the three trillion we’ve wasted in Iraq on cutting our own consumption of oil. Oil prices would indeed be a fraction of what they are now.

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Comment by ronin
2008-04-09 11:12:16

Again. The president is not a king. Legislation is the job of Congress. The purse strings are held only by Congress. Wars are declared only by Congress, and Congress doesn’t have the ability to delegate that constitutional charge.

Congress has the ability to impeach the president, but chooses not to.

Congress has been led for over two years by Democrats, who campaigned on ending the war, reducing gas prices, and so on and so on, and have done none of the above.

Yet that too, no doubt, is Bush’s fault.

 
Comment by manny
2008-04-09 12:14:56

Bush himself held a gun to people and made them go line up to buy 5 houses in Phoenix and 7 condos in Miami. How do I know? I read it online so it must be true.

Oh and now the war has cost 3 trillion? It’s under a trillion really. But let’s use your imaginary numbers. Since the war started the feds have spend $63 trillion. 3/63 is less than 5% of total spending.

And for the record I am in favor of leaving Iraq. However I am also in favor of using logical arguments to do so, not far-left histrionic conspiracy theory nonsense.

 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-04-09 09:11:48

Are you part of that elusive 19% who think the country is headed in the right direction? I’m curious to meet a few of those folks & find out what psychoactive drugs they’re ingesting.

A lot of that unhappiness is due to their own idiocy.

True enough, in some cases.

Didn’t they campaign on waving the magic wand and bringing gas back to $1 a gallon…?

What in God’s name are you talking about? Even The Decider ain’t dumb enough to make outlandish claims like that.

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Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 09:18:33

’ssshrubery’s pa had no idea what a price scanner was at the supermarket, and more recently his progeny had no idea that a gallon of refined crude was approaching $4…

Malice in Wonderland

 
Comment by combotechie
2008-04-09 10:36:23

“Are you part of that ellusive 19% who thinks the country is headed in the right direction?”

I claim to be part of that 19%.

Our great country has been headed in the wrong direction for the past twenty-five years with it’s borrow-and-spend policys to support a Consumption Based economy rather than a Production Based 0ne.

This began to change last summer with the introduction of the Great Unwind.

It’s not going to be a lot of fun for a lot of folks but a kick in the a$$ is what this country needed and is what we are in the process of receiving.

IMHO, as always.

 
Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 10:55:31

Combo… you’re right on the money…. frequently.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-04-09 11:10:32

Combo, I think your conception of the right direction for the country is much more Big Picture than the typical Gallup respondent.

In your sense of the right direction, I’m guessing there are few regulars here who would disagree with you. But the average citizen is not so “meta” in their thinking.

 
 
Comment by hd74man
2008-04-09 09:12:49

RE: BUSH’S FAULT

Like Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, Tom Mosely and John Kerry are any bargin.

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Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 09:49:25

HD… The last time I knew, those guys we’re members of the minority party until one year ago and now with just a razor thin majority. None were the decider in chief.

 
Comment by manny
2008-04-09 12:16:34

mid-2001 to 2003 Dems controlled the senate….a pesky fact that gets in the way of a good ‘Republicans are to blame for everything’ story

 
Comment by manny
2008-04-09 12:26:03

“What in God’s name are you talking about? Even The Decider ain’t dumb enough to make outlandish claims like that.”

I love libs, I really do. Dems campaigned in 2006 on a platform of 1. end the war 2. lower gas prices. Now 2 years later neither of those have happened and all of a sudden the story changes to ‘we never said we’d do that’.

Pricless

 
Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 12:27:09

But the equally uncomfortable fact is the Con(jobs) held the house for 12 painful years. Nice try.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-04-09 12:44:07

(Roll eyes.)

Please, Manny, you said, “waving the magic wand and bringing gas back to $1 a gallon. Clearly ridiculous. Please show me where anyone except you said that.

Once again, your rhetoric is gut-bustingly transparent.

 
Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 15:32:07

“Once again, your rhetoric is gut-bustingly transparent.”

Gotta love the backpedaling and denial even though the fact remains the hypocrites held all three branches of govt for 4 out of 4 years of housing corruption.

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2008-04-09 14:33:46

“81% of the public believes this country is heading in the wrong direction.”

Elected officials don’t consider that a majority, sorry!

 
 
Comment by Incredulous
2008-04-09 08:18:09

“One way to reduce illegal immigration might be to translate some of our far left publications into Spanish and give everyone in Mexico subscriptions. After they read how terrible this country is, many may want to stay away.”

That’s hilarious.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 08:40:28

Juan, reading a newspaper in Mexico: “Jose, it says here that they are having to cut back on food stamp benefits in the US”

Jose: “They have food stamps? Vamonos para alla!”

Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 08:50:30

Also an anecdote: I lived in Mexico City during the 70’s and the 80’s. My upper middle class Mexican friends would tell me that the US was crazy to have welfare, and that if there were welfare in Mexico that “no one would work”.

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Comment by SF Mechanist
2008-04-09 09:16:38

My dad once went on this rant about how we should re-institute the draft to stop illegals from coming over the border. I suggested it takes two to tango, and rather than depriving college age boys of their liberty, Americans should just stop offering them jobs. I reminded him of that time he hired three (probably) illegals to take care of my grandfather when he was sick. Dad hasn’t raised the topic since.

Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 09:37:45

A friend works @ Fort Irwin (near beautiful Barstow) and does video work for the army, as they prepare troops for life in desert conditions.

He tells me there’s quite a few foreign nationals in our armed forces, fast tracking their citizenship by becoming soldiers of fortune, for us.

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Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 10:42:46

I am sure that there is no shortage of foreigners willing to serve in the US military for a green card, but I would also wager that most illegals are not interested.

 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 10:58:56

A lowly private 1st class can get like around $50k for a signing bonus, (about the same amount a major league baseball prospect could expect to get, when I was in little league in the early 1970’s) being in the army…

Says a lot.

 
Comment by ahansen
2008-04-09 11:50:42

In California and Arizona, firecrews (the guys actually doing the work,) have been Mexican for years now.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-04-09 12:56:46

He tells me there’s quite a few foreign nationals in our armed forces, fast tracking their citizenship by becoming soldiers of fortune, for us.

That’s true, and frankly, what’s wrong with that when they’re willing to put their lives on the line for us?

They didn’t sign up for Tea And Watercress Sandwiches With Rumsfeld And Cheney, they signed up for combat deployment.

 
 
Comment by Bub Diddley
2008-04-09 09:38:38

Saw an interesting documentary about illegal immigration awhile back. They interviewed a contractor (face blacked out, of course) who said he tried, ONCE, to hire legal workers, but they quit. Said something along the lines that American college kids were too lazy to do the hard work. So he HAD to turn to illegals because American’s were just too lazy to do the jobs!

Of course, nobody questioned this “logic.” I wanted to ask “What about the so-called free market? If you can’t get people to stay on the job, maybe the wages and benefits you provide aren’t high enough?” People won’t do the work for 8 bucks an hour, but I bet they would for 100K a year. Somewhere in between there is your starting pay that will keep those lazy college kids on the job.

As it stands, where’s the motivation to bust hump on a construction site for the same pay you could get running a cash register indoors in the AC? Sounds like the lazy college kids are making a smart decision to me.

Businesses hiring illegals are simply exploiting an unfair advantage. Externalizing their costs to other businesses with legal hiring practices, and to the taxpayer, to increase their own profits.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2008-04-09 09:59:30

Exactly! The illegals “do the work Americans won’t do for far less than minimum wage an hour.” Gee, I wonder why Americans won’t work for horrible pay? Hmm…

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 10:40:13

Said something along the lines that American college kids were too lazy to do the hard work.

Umm, why is he hiring “college kids” to to construction work?

These people are all LIARS. They just want the cheap labor. End of story.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 09:40:21

Not a bad idea. During my tenure in Mexico I learned that this scares the sh*t out of Mexicans, expecially if there is a war involved.

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Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 11:30:19

Say what you will about immigrants… (legal or otherwise)

If we turn up the heat enough on them, they can just go home.

We don’t have that option, though.

Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 12:48:26

“Even American women are not felt to be persons in the same sense as the male immigrants among the Hungarians, Poles, Russian Jews,—not to speak of Italians, Germans, and the masters of all of us—the Irish!

Mary Putnam Jacobi

Eat Quagga, EmperorNorton_II “Norton: First, you address the ball… hello, ball.”

Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 14:58:52

Showing your mussels off, again?

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Comment by txchick57
Comment by WT Economist
2008-04-09 05:51:38

Both, by mutual agreement, at the expense of everyone else with the assistance of Congress.

Comment by sevenofnine
2008-04-09 05:56:32

Well said.

 
Comment by shakes
2008-04-09 15:41:06

I would add a ‘blind eye from the Fed’ since they are mandated to look into the banks mortgage books and ensure their are enough reserves to account for potential losses!!!

 
 
Comment by cynicalgirl
2008-04-09 06:03:31

I don’t think we’ll ever know whether most fraud occurred by borrowers lying or mortgage brokers lying per the “zippy memo”.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-04-09 07:13:30

Imagine if there were to be a provision inserted into any bailout bill that all information on every
mortgage application (orirginal, HELOC’s, any refi’s, etc.) of any affected property had to be accurate and properly verified. It’d almost be worth it to see a bailout bill with such a provision pass just to see the squirming that might ensue. It might also effectively eliminate half or more of properties that would otherwise be covered by such a bailout.

Comment by cynicalgirl
2008-04-09 09:29:36

Why not look at every application when they go into foreclosure and prosecute them for fraud. It *is* a crime, ya know!

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-04-09 09:55:16

‘It might also effectively eliminate half or more of properties that would otherwise be covered by such a bailout.’

I think it’d be waaaaay more than half. Next time I come across the source I’m going to copy it so I can be specific, but I think I recall reading that some study concluded, from looking at the IRS forms from the borrowers in question, that about 90% of borrowers on stated income loans had exaggerated their income, and more than half of those 90% of liars had inflated their income by 60% or more.
Sooooo….wow.

 
 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2008-04-09 05:33:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ees3s8tvYys

The honorable Paul Volcker on Charlie Rose, about the Bear Sterns bailout.

 
Comment by Frank Hague
2008-04-09 05:36:21

http://tinyurl.com/4m4ubp

FHA to the rescue.

“Housing officials say the agency will face a deficit for the first time in its 74-year history, starting in the fiscal year that begins in October. And they blame a rapidly growing and increasingly troubled sector of the F.H.A.’s mortgage portfolio, known as the seller-financed down payment loan program, which has suffered from high delinquency and foreclosure rates in recent years.

Under the program, a home seller arranges to cover the buyer’s down payment — using financial help from a nonprofit company — but typically adds that sum or more to the total cost of the house. The arrangement has been particularly attractive to financially struggling buyers and to owners in depressed housing markets, according to Congressional officials. ”

And they call this home ownership?

“In 2000, such mortgages made up less than 2 percent of F.H.A.-insured loans, officials say. By 2007, statistics show, they accounted for 35 percent of F.H.A. loans.

Housing officials say these mortgages have foreclosure rates two to three times those of others, leaving the agency reeling from the losses.”

Gee, what a surprise, people who don’t put in a down payment are more likely to default.

Comment by sevenofnine
2008-04-09 06:28:22

From the article:

“With the subprime market collapsed and mortgage companies tightening lending criteria, seller down payment loans may become increasingly appealing — both to sellers in slumping housing markets and to lower-income home buyers unable to access conventional mortgages.

Proponents of the loans, who include some powerful members of Congress, counter that they provide much-needed assistance to low-income and minority families who would otherwise be unable to buy homes.”

O.K. Congress, this is very simple. If these people “would otherwise be unable to buy homes” with out using risky practices, maybe they shouldn’t buy homes. Maybe they should rent — and it is a lot cheaper and more responsible to rent from a responsible homeowner/apartment complex than it is to rent from the bank. Why do these Congressmen insist on worsening these people’s economic situation and then having responsible American taxpayers bail them out? It is absolutely disgusting!

They applaud themselves for helping the poor when they are really just making their lives worse.

Comment by Frank Hague
2008-04-09 06:32:56

There is an unhealthy obsession with home ownership in this country that borders on pathological. People in lower income brackets are generally better off renting. I don’t know why some have such a hard time grasping this.

Comment by bluto
2008-04-09 07:08:43

Because homeowners have a large economic exposure to their surrounding areas. They pay local taxes to the schools, if people leave their area, the value of their investment declines, and they face higher costs of relocation. All those mean that a higher level of homeownership means easier citizens to govern. If you have to bail out 3% of them (normal mortgages default at 1% or so) that’s a pretty low cost to make 10% of your most marginal citizens more vested in keeping “the system”.

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Comment by Spook
2008-04-09 08:47:08

Bingo Bluto!

Simply put, “homeowning” increase CONSUMPTION; its a place to keep all of your “stuff”.

We all know the more “stuff” you own, the more successful you are,

right?

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-04-09 07:25:47

“There is an unhealthy obsession with home ownership in this country that borders on pathological.”

IIRC, Jane Addams, of Hull House fame, made the very same observation in old Chicago. She noted how amongst European immigrants the men folk worked themselves literally to death to buy a house. As a result of all the hours spent at factories and the stock yards - an epidemic of domestic abuse, deliquency, etc. followed. She was quite perplexed with their obession to own and house, and I believe she went as far as suggesting that they’d all be better off renting!

This is uncomfortably similiar to the situation today, only the immigrants come from other places and the drama is playing out just about everywhere - not just inner cities.

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Comment by diogenes (Tampa)
2008-04-09 06:32:56

Gee, what a surprise, people who don’t put in a down payment are more likely to default.

Who would have guessed it??
Obviously, not all the “EXPERTS” in the business and finance schools who have come up with myriad ways to swindle people over the past decade.
Where were all the “regulators”??? Oh! I forgot, let’s let the free market work this out.
Well………now it’s trying, so all the big wheels on Wallstreet need taxpayer bailouts!

Almost EVERYONE here saw this coming.
Obviously, all the experts needs to be fired and replaced with us simpletons.

 
 
Comment by SKB
2008-04-09 05:37:51

Any Floridians attending this?

http://www.ushomeauction.com/

I registered, there are two homes in my zip I am interested in. I most likely will not bid but I am curious to see where the prices end up.

Comment by Englishman in NJ
2008-04-09 06:02:51

Why bother, it’s much better in NW PA!!

Comment by mgnyc99
2008-04-09 07:34:17

LOL

 
Comment by KenWPA
2008-04-09 09:50:49

It’s in the sixties today and cloudy, but Tuesday was in the upper sixties and nothing but sun and Blue skies in Central/Western PA.

Tons of homes for sale. But fewer and fewer people to live in them as the oldsters die off and move to the cemetary, which is the only place that seems to be showing much of an inflow of new residents in my neck of the woods in PA.

 
 
Comment by firefox user
2008-04-09 06:30:05

Where are you finding the home listings? I just found links to the relevant convention centers.

I’m signed up, but don’t plan to attend unless I hit lotto tonight (guess I need to buy a ticket) *and* find a deal.

 
 
Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 05:41:21

breaking the law:

April 8 (Bloomberg) — Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker questioned the central bank’s decision to rescue Bear Stearns Cos. with a $29 billion loan, saying it was at “the very edge” of its legal authority.

http://tinyurl.com/5ccpy9

Comment by tresho
2008-04-09 05:53:30

Did anyone ask Volcker what he would have done?

 
Comment by cynicalgirl
2008-04-09 05:56:55

I’ve said that from day one. Doesn’t congress have to approve any time the govt spends any money?

Comment by Darrell in PHX
2008-04-09 06:33:39

But the fed isn’t the government. It is a psuedo private trade organization to which government has turned over the authority of printing money.

 
Comment by motepug
2008-04-09 07:09:52

Not that I know all the details, but the Fed has (used to have) about $800B in treasuries on it’s books. It just created the money, gave it to the govt to spend, and got treasuries in return. To add insult to injury, the US taxpayers pay the Fed interest on these bonds. Talk about a complete fraud.

 
 
 
Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 05:43:18

heck of a job, bushie:

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration plans to expand a government program that helps struggling borrowers keep their homes, as it moves to respond to the housing crisis amid more sweeping, costly Democratic proposals.

http://tinyurl.com/68puqy

Comment by sevenofnine
2008-04-09 10:37:13

Everyone should go post their opposition to these bail outs on Congress.org. Just go to the “Housing Stimulus Package” post, click on “Oppose Housing Stimulus Package” (which last week was titled “Oppose Housing Bail Out for Borrowers and Lenders”) and send a letter. The site automatically sends your letter to the President, Housing Secretary, and your Congressmen. You just have to put in the text of your letter and personal information. You can also choose to publish your letter in the “Letters to Leaders” section (anonymously — they just put your town and state). I just went there this morning to read some of the letters. Every letter I clicked on was opposed to the plan. I saw very few in support.

Neil Cavuto and Glenn Beck have both had segments opposing the bail outs and calling for personal responsibility. I hope they will continue to cover this. The rest of the media is just covering the self-proclaimed “victims”.

Comment by CA renter
2008-04-10 03:42:27

Glenn Beck has been amazingly on top of this lately. Almost as if he reads/posts here.

 
 
 
Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 05:44:43

deficits matter:

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration and Democratic leaders in Congress are counting on the Federal Housing Administration to rescue hundreds of thousands of homeowners from foreclosure by helping them refinance from risky subprime loans to stable government-backed mortgages.

http://tinyurl.com/5gu9qa

 
Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 05:47:01

how many zeros?

Worldwide losses from the credit crisis could near $1 trillion, the International Monetary Fund said yesterday, reflecting the massive cost of the breakdown in markets for home mortgages and other kinds of debt.

http://tinyurl.com/6b3mwm

Comment by combotechie
2008-04-09 06:06:38

Another good case for going to cash.

Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 06:16:30

Your needle is stuck in the groove.

Comment by Englishman in NJ
2008-04-09 06:34:04

Maybe, but it doesn’t mean he/she isn’t right.

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Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 07:03:34

Buy ____… It always goes up. Insert whatever turd you’d like to float in the blank.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 07:55:59

It isn’t a matter of mellow yellow going up, it’s more a matter of everything else going down.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 08:43:52

I’ll keep an eye open for plummeting prices at my local Safeway, Sam’s Club, gas station, etc.

 
Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-04-09 08:53:07

Buy US Dollar…. It always goes up.

It fits your description of a turd you’d like to float in the bank… errr blank.

 
Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 09:33:28

Buy gold before it’s too late! hurry hurry hurry!

 
Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 09:59:34

Exeter has floated a few on this board.

 
Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 10:04:49

And flushed quite a few more. Prepare for the swirly twirl watcher.

 
 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-04-09 06:20:16

We talked about housing values going down $5 trillion. Much of that is paper losses for those with paid off or affordable mortgages and has no effect, but a lot of it will be negative equity given HELOCs.

And, I think the IMF is talking about all credit losses, not just housing.

This is not the worst case scenario.

Comment by Darrell in PHX
2008-04-09 06:37:33

Agree. I think a best case if $2 trillion… for the U.S. Global losses will be much, much worse.

 
 
Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-04-09 08:14:00

Remember, wealth is never created or destroyed but is transfered.

Comment by Mole Man
2008-04-09 09:05:07

That ignores realities of growth and development. When people invent entirely new processes and products new value may be created. The trucking industry we rely on nowadays is a good example of this, and quite unlike the distribution networks we made use of when agriculture dominated. In real estate the process of gentrification turns foresaken haunts into desirable communities. There is such a thing as real development, and when done properly enduring value is created.

Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-04-09 11:43:37

You are right, wealth can be created by more work or more efficient work. My point was with respect to buying and selling of existing wealth or debt. You can “make” and “lose” money, but someone else is always the counter party. Therefore, total existing wealth is never lost in a market decline nor is it created during a market climb. Only when you use your labor to improve upon natural resources do you create new wealth.

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Comment by Max
2008-04-09 12:28:06

IMO, you ignore the idea that wealth is a function of trust between those involved. This is what credit is based on - if I trust you’re going to pay me, I am wealthy, if I don’t trust you, I become less wealthy - regardless of your wealth. Therefore, in total, wealth can be created and destroyed simply by expanding trust (credit) or contracting it.

An working example is the fractional reserve lending - the fixed backing of reserves provides variable amount of credit, depending on a particular situation. This is not just an accounting artifact - it is real wealth, as real as you can get. It’s just time-dependent, but real - you can buy and sell real goods and services, including physically finite natural resources, with money created in this fashion.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 05:48:30

Operations Halted at Weserbank

“A small bank based in Bremerhaven has had its services suspended by federal financial authorities in Germany. As insolvency proceedings are ordered, Weserbank’s leaders are blaming the global financial crisis….”
http://tinyurl.com/4gll2w
Spiegel

 
Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 06:02:00

Interesting development regarding yield at neighborhood credit union. A co-worker told me his wife, a CU employee, called this morning and said they’re offering 6% yields on 11 month CD’s. 11 months terms seem to be popular at CU’s around here too and I’m not sure why. I have a small pile earning 5.5% on an 11 month term at another local CU that I’ve turned over 3 terms in a row. I figured any yield above 4.25% would be history but now this 6% thing.

Can anyone comment on the 6% yield?

Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 06:18:44

Can anyone comment on the 6% yield?”

It’s less than the real rate of inflation.

 
Comment by Englishman in NJ
2008-04-09 06:21:46

Sounds like they need capital very very badly. Just make sure any deposits are FDIC insured and don’t keep more than $100K in any single account.

If you do that, no need to worry - we taxpayers will bail you out if it all goes tits up.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 07:09:49

The $100k FDIC insurance limit is always looked upon as some sort of holy grail on here, as in you can trust any bank with said coverage up to that amount…

I anticipate the very first public unrest occurring, as a result of people not being able to collect on their insurance policies~

Comment by SF Mechanist
2008-04-09 09:32:59

(Sorry if this turn out to be a double post)

I’ve been moving cd’s around a little lately, but yeah, 5.75% is a good find, and I’m finding rates ranging from the high 2’s to sometimes the high 3’s for promotional deals or if you agree to open a checking account. Enough bank failures to tank FDIC would be a highly deflationary event to the point where the government should not object to printing the money to pay depositors.

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Comment by CrackerJim
2008-04-09 08:07:53

Does FDIC cover credit unions? I thought there was another agency for that, something with acronym NCUA.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 08:10:50

I was under the impression the acronym was NSF, for both entities…

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Comment by az_lender
2008-04-09 08:38:26

How about DOA?

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Comment by CrackerJim
2008-04-09 09:59:08

Update:
“The National Credit Union Administration (NCUA) is the federal agency that charters and supervises federal credit unions and insures savings in federal and most state-chartered credit unions across the country through the National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund (NCUSIF), a federal fund backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government.”

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Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 08:46:35

I would agree. My credit union (Addison Avenue) doesn’t offer anything close to that.

Comment by Jwright
2008-04-09 09:36:18

Our credit union branch (part of a statewide chain) is closing without any explanation on the 31st. A local CU I’ve never heard of is picking up the branch. Our town does not have a single big bank. Everyone of the 3-4 in town is local. We’re that far down the pecking order…

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Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 09:57:57

So if the rug (FDIC insurance) were to be pulled out from under the only fiscally responsible people in our country, savers…

Everybody would have bupkis, just like during the Great Depression.

 
Comment by Jwhite
2008-04-09 10:25:45

That basically what we savers already have - “bupkis’!

 
 
 
 
Comment by firefox user
2008-04-09 06:24:36

I’d love that. I’ve got a nice rate (5.75%) at the moment, term up in … Sept or Oct - shortly before I have to hand that money over for taxes. I’ve already got next year’s tax money sitting earning 2% (if that) in a savings account for 2009 taxes but the best rate the CU had was 2.xx for another 13 month CD so … might as well keep it out and flexible for hurricane season repair money.

I’d love a 6% yield. Hrm 4mo CDs are 3.2%. Reading on, all of their CDs are 3.2, and savings is 1.5% for deposits over 10k.

Comment by SF Mechanist
2008-04-09 09:28:23

I’ve been moving cd’s around a little lately, but yeah, 5.75% is a good find, and I’m finding rates ranging from the high 2’s to sometimes the high 3’s for promotional deals or if you agree to open a checking account. Enough bank failures to tank FDIC would be a highly deflationary event to the point where the government should not object to printing the money to pay depositors.

 
 
Comment by firefox user
2008-04-09 06:49:38

Well, I used bankrate.com to find one with a 7% yield, new members only, must live in the area or have a family member or employer in the area with an account.

They also have a note on their front page about them not having got “caught up” in the Sub Prime mess.

Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 07:05:24

My largest CD comes due in July so I have to do something and the 6% is it. They’re local which is an advantage to me and the institution is has a high rating, at least according to bankrate.

 
 
Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-04-09 07:09:14

After taxes it is a 4% yield which is really -4% in real terms.

Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 07:14:02

Yes… negative 4% is exactly the number I’m shooting for.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2008-04-09 07:20:54

3.45% is typical. Thats a great yield whats the catch ?

 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-04-09 07:34:48

I recall someone posting in the past that CUs aren’t FDIC insured, but rather are insured by some CU insurance company. If so, careful there, buddy.

 
 
Comment by edhopper
2008-04-09 06:42:32

So for 6 years of anemic growth we told how well Greenspan and the Bush Administration have been handling the economy. And now that it’s crashing down around us, we are told that there was nothing much they could have done while the big shitpile was growing.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120760341392296107.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news

Greenspan says the crisis didn’t start until 2006, so why should he have regulated lending in 2004? What an a-hole.

 
Comment by edhopper
2008-04-09 06:49:22

From the NYTimes;
“It’s not just the apparent recession. Recessions happen. …
The bigger problem is that the now-finished boom was, for most Americans, nothing of the sort. In 2000, at the end of the previous economic expansion, the median American family made about $61,000, according to the Census Bureau’s inflation-adjusted numbers. In 2007, in what looks to have been the final year of the most recent expansion, the median family, amazingly, seems to have made less — about $60,500.
This has never happened before …
“We have had expansions before where the bottom end didn’t do well,” said Lawrence F. Katz, a Harvard economist who studies the job market. “But we’ve never had an expansion in which the middle of income distribution had no wage growth.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/09/business/09leonhardt.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

I am waiting to hear from the folks here on how it’s all the fault of the Dems who have controlled Congress for one year.

Comment by spike66
2008-04-09 07:45:47

“But we’ve never had an expansion in which the middle of income distribution had no wage growth.”

The smoke and mirrors economy in which real wages were stagnant at best, and people used HELOCs, serial refis, housing price appreciation, credit cards and other forms of easy credit to make up the difference. Unwind now in progress. The student loan blow-up is getting ugly.

Comment by exeter
2008-04-09 09:51:46

Nope. Not stagnant wages, falling wages. Real wages fell between 2000 and 2006.

 
 
Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-04-09 08:39:47

Assuming 3% inflation, that $60,500 is the same as 48,800 in 2000. When you factor in the real 5-10% inflation over that same period the picture is much worse. You may have noticed that during this time many people had an “increase” in standard of living. This increase directly related to an increase in debt and not real prosperity.

 
Comment by measton
2008-04-09 08:54:08

Less in nominal and much less in real terms.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2008-04-09 06:58:46

CHICAGO (AP) — The Boeing Co. delayed its 787 jetliner program again Tuesday, pushing back its expected debut in commercial service to the third quarter of 2009 as it continues to grapple with problems involving its supply chain and the need to redo some outside work.

‘redo some outside work’ so hows that outsourcing going for you? Hahaha CEO is going to lose his job because of this I bet but wait maybe the FED can bail them out?

Comment by Matt_In_TX
2008-04-09 07:36:23

The guy previously responsible for commercial arliners who set that in motion is likely the guy running Ford right now.

 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-04-09 07:36:52

They need to come up with better fuel mileage for these big sky monsters while they’re at it.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 07:47:54

I read that our flight of a few months ago from L.A. to N.Z. and back, was the equivalent of using enough oil for both my wife and I, to each drive 4,000 miles in a car.

Interesting way to look at it…

Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 08:17:26

No one is going to need a new airplane. The price of fuel is going to put the airlines out of business in the next 5 years, unless you believe you can get 250 people together who want to pay $10,000 each to fly across the country.

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Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 08:57:54

$10,000dollars or 10,000 yen. Just cuz the dollar is worth less does not mean oil is more expensive for other countries. For Japan and the Euro nations oil is up 3-5% in the last year. Other countries can live with modest increases.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 08:57:54

The 787 is targetted at long range (oceanic) routes, and will be far more fuel efficient than anything flying today.

I agree that domestic air travel will become a luxury as fuel prices increase, but you can’t drive or take a train to Europe or Asia, plus most of that travel is business related anyway, so they are in a hurry to get there.

I do recall that when Boeing announced the original 787 schedule that many laughed at it as being unrealistically optimistic, especially considering that it is a technological departure from the mainstream of airliner technology with its composite fuselage.

 
Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 09:24:40

Colorado,

But you can take a ship to Europe or Asia which is what oridinary people will do. Also, a business class airline has never worked. It’s the coach class that pays the bills; no coach class means no flight. If a business has to choose between $10,000 to Asia or a teleconference what do you think they will choose?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 10:52:12

I don’t think that it will cost $10,000 any time soon. If it does, then that probably means we have $500 a barrel oil.

Besides, most ships burn oil too, so their costs should skyrocket as well (this will hurt the container ship business).

Regarding teleconferencing its already here. We have these nice Halo rooms where I work, with multiple HD monitors. We worker bees already use these (I have never been to Chindia). Nevertheless the higher ups still go. And most are already flying coach, only upgrading to business with frequent flier miles.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 10:53:55

$10,000dollars or 10,000 yen. Just cuz the dollar is worth less does not mean oil is more expensive for other countries. For Japan and the Euro nations oil is up 3-5% in the last year. Other countries can live with modest increases.

A very good point. And guess who is buying almost all the 787’s? Asian airlines.

 
Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 11:26:13

It’s easy enough to give a ship nuclear power.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 13:13:59

Will anyone let it enter their ports?

 
Comment by implosion
2008-04-09 15:58:19

How many navy ships use nuclear power?

 
 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-04-09 10:07:50

Well, then you got a lot of value for your money, eh? It’s a lot farther than that to NZ…

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Comment by Tokyo Renter - ex Los Angeles Renter
2008-04-09 23:00:21

10,000 Yen is about 100 USD at 100Yen/Dollar

A liter of gasoline is around 130-150 Yen, or roughly four liters per gallon. About 5 years ago a liter of gasoline here was 85 yen.

Price of gas here is putting a pinch on things in Japan as well.

 
 
 
 
 
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Comment by Patch Tuesday
2008-04-09 07:49:06

Haven’t seen much news coverage of this on the real estate side of the news, it seems to be getting covered mainly on the political side:

“Among the early victories claimed by O’Malley was a package of bills addressing the rising number of foreclosures in the state. The measures stretch out the legal time frame before a home can be repossessed or sold and require banks to establish a borrowers ability to pay before making a loan.”

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/politics/bal-sessionstory0407,0,2219429.story

 
Comment by bink
2008-04-09 07:49:09

Sad story about a guy who seemed to have a perfect life, then bought a new home for $750k outside DC with two mortgages and no money down. He robbed a bank recently and was shot dead by police. Authorities are still “working on the motive”.

Washington Post Story

Comment by stewie
2008-04-09 11:28:53

Just the beginning…

 
 
 
Comment by eastcoaster
2008-04-09 07:54:37

There’s a house for sale in a neighborhood that would be ideal for my son and I. Small, 1955 rancher. 1000 sq. ft. Less than 1/3 acre lot. Perfect for someone like me right? Well not at their asking price.

Anyway, I haven’t actually seen the inside of the house. Seen photos only (and I can tell it’s the original kitchen and bathroom - but I’m ok with that). I’m tempted to mail the sellers a letter stating the maximum price I can pay (which is considerably less than they have it listed at, but - IMO - still more than a house like this should sell for). I refuse to go find a realtor to submit a low offer because, well frankly - even though they are supposed to submit whatever their client wants, I’ve had trouble with this in the past. Plus, why bother wasting anyone’s time if it’s such a long shot?

The letter is very well written. Explains my situation. Explains that the offer is not meant to A) offend them or B) have me mocked. Just plain and simply, the bottom line.

Dumb idea? Or should I mail it?

Comment by phillygal
2008-04-09 09:11:44

Eastcoaster -

get a realtor and submit your offer. If the first realtorette refuses, keep trying until you get someone who will.

And if your offer is rejected, you really haven’t wasted anyone’s time. You at least will get to see the inside of the house, you’ll gain some experience in dealing with the current crop of agents and sellers, and you’ll have something to file away in your housebuying folder for reference. Additionally, you may even come upon an agent who will actively seek out listings that are in your price range: but the agent has to know you are firm about it.

It sounds to me like you’re going to the sellers with your hat in hand. From your posts, I gather you’re originally from the midwest, correct? If that is the case, your first assignment is:
Develop a Philadelphia atty-tood. Just remember you’re in charge.

Also remember that for the most part, sellers in our area have not been sufficiently softened up.

 
Comment by txchick57
2008-04-09 09:22:25

Send the letter directly to the owner at the address. I would.

Comment by sf jack
2008-04-09 11:22:13

I would send the letter - tell them its strictly business (much as you have written) - and tell them your offer goes down 5% per month.

And I’m only half kidding when I say you should add a provision that it will go down 10% per month if the Fed continues to cut rates.

And 15% if the unemployment rate rises each month.

They’ll get the picture soon enough.

Comment by phillygal
2008-04-09 12:56:12

well eastcoaster, there you have it, a couple different approaches. If you try any of them, let us know how it works out.

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Comment by eastcoaster
2008-04-09 13:33:20

Thanks to all. I will let you know what happens if I mail the letter (not going the realtor route for now). The house is pretty newly listed so I’m going to sit on this letter for a few.

btw, phillygal - I am a born and bred Philly `burb girl. Spent a total of 7 years in the midwest. Maybe that time there softened me up a bit. I just found it hard to cop an attitude with my last realtor when she shyed away from making offers for me that weren’t near-full asking. However, that may also be because she was a friend of my brother’s (from his church no less). The only other 2 realtors I’ve ever worked with were family friends. I gotta’ find someone who I’ve never met before. And if / when I do find one, I will make sure upfront that they have the stones to make low (read: reasonable) offers on my behalf.

Comment by phillygal
2008-04-09 14:02:09

yes, stay away from family friends, although lately it’s kind of hard to do, with all of us tripping over realtors in our personal networks, it seems.

Is the house you like listed on the MLS? The seller’s agreement with agent may lock him into conditions that would preclude you purchasing direct from seller. Those agreements usually last six months, but, not knowing the details, you may as well take a whack at it.

For a while I lived in Pittsburgh which for all intents and purposes is a Midwestern city. People were a lot friendlier there. My edge came back quickly when I moved back to the city of Philadelphia. But now as a suburbanite, I’m a lot more mellow. hahahaha

Anyway, I now have full faith and confidence in your Philly ‘tood after hearing you speak of finding a realtor with stones. Good luck, e!

 
 
Comment by Kim
2008-04-09 13:57:22

Send the letter to the owner, but leave out the personal information/background situation. You’re a perfectly qualified buyer and $X is what you’re willing to pay — that’s all they need to know. If they don’t see the light now, they will soon.

 
 
Comment by spike66
2008-04-09 07:57:57

Goldman Ain’t Immune…Level 3 Increases….

“April 9 (Bloomberg) — Goldman Sachs Group Inc., the most profitable securities firm, reported an increase in harder-to- value assets during the first quarter, exceeding those at Morgan Stanley and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.

Goldman’s share of Level 3 assets surged 39 percent to $96.4 billion at the end of February from $69.2 billion in November, according to a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission today. The ratio of Level 3 to total assets rose to 8.1 percent from 6.2 percent.

While many subprime-related stakes that lost almost 100 percent of their value since July were categorized in Level 3, other holdings such as private-equity stakes, real estate and rarely traded corporate debt are also included because market prices for them aren’t available. More assets have become difficult to value in the last three months as investors shunned a wider array of credit, reducing trading.”
per Bloomberg

Comment by sf jack
2008-04-09 11:26:18

Could I use this “Level 3 asset” provision?

When I file taxes?

Just put them to the side and “worry” about them another day?

Very convenient…

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 08:04:31

San Diegans…

Your real estate market is in shambles, and most of your drinking water comes via pipes, from the Colorado River, and the lion’s share of your reservoirs have the Quagga mussel in them, already…

A double-whammy about to hit, all at once~

Selling your house now, @ whatever the market will bear, might be prudent.

What’s the value of a house worth, when you turn on the faucet and nothing comes out?

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“One quagga mussel can produce 40,000 eggs in a single spawning and up to a million eggs in a year, Retallack said. “I have a pipe that was suspended in Lake Mead for one and a half months,” she continued. “The pipe is 9 inches long, 31/2 inches in diameter. It has small mussels all over the outside and is completely coated on the inside. Not only do you have this first layer, but you also have a second layer where quagga mussels were starting to settle on top of the other mussels.”

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2008/04/03/SP9MVTE6S.DTL

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Comment by Olympiagal
2008-04-09 10:13:03

Shucks, and you can’t even eat them quagga things. I was out kayaking around on the Sound here in Olympia and came across some posts covered with mussels, only the big tasty kind. I took a photo, because according to one of my friends they’re not supposed to be spreading off the aquaculture rafts, so I supposed she’d want to see them, and go ape-poop. Then, in an act of bold environmentalism, I pre-emptively yanked off half a kayak-load of the things and paddled home, crunching every now and then and yelping when I got a sharp shell bit in the bum, and when I got home I steamed them open and ate them with about a quart of butter. Taught them a good lesson about invading, you bet.

Comment by AK-LA
2008-04-09 12:20:05

If they’re Mytilus californianus, they’re native, not invaders. M. californianus are quite tasty and can be quite large. Mmm…

 
Comment by friar john
2008-04-09 13:22:01

Much prefer a dry white wine and shallot concoction with my mussels. Butter sounds better with escargot. With all these quagga things in the water pipes, should I expect to be harvesting from my toilet in the near future? :)

 
 
Comment by zeropointzero
2008-04-09 10:49:16

I would think collecting these and tossing them in assorted waterways would be a great activity for a wanna-be terrorist. Some jerks set fires in So. Cal. — what’s to stop some similar miscreant from spreading these guys around, without the aid of a boat.

I’ve always thought we would be vulnerable to some folks trying to agressively abet the spread of invasive species in the USA.

Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 11:01:56

Quaggas came from Russia in the 1980’s, so in a roundabout way, the Soviets had the last laugh on us. (with a little help from Mother Nature)

 
Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 11:47:07

“I’ve always thought we would be vulnerable to some folks trying to aggressively abet the spread of invasive species in the USA.”

There are probably people that enjoy the Zebra and Quagga Mussel. There are people that let cats outside; and cats destructive activities are far more expensive than these mussels’ expenses will ever be. Why need a terrorist when we do it to ourselves?

 
Comment by sartre
2008-04-09 12:02:48

On a related note–saw this on PBS yesterday. Great show. The part about African killer bees and Asian carp invading midwest rivers was downright scary.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/behavingworse/index.html

 
 
 
Comment by bicoastal
2008-04-09 08:09:29

The impact of foreclosures on pets (Washington Post):

http://tinyurl.com/43wxxp

Comment by lmd
2008-04-09 12:09:50

Ugh!

“We usually get the call from the bank or whoever finds it, and we go out to retrieve the animal, if it’s still alive,”

The real victims.

 
 
Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 08:13:14

Oil is breaking out to new highs. So much for the commodity crash.

Market Last Change %
Crude Oil 111.17 +2.67 +2.45

 
Comment by bicoastal
2008-04-09 08:14:45

Woman charged in thefts at Open Houses (Washington Post)…

http://tinyurl.com/4lry56

 
Comment by James
2008-04-09 08:47:24

I was looking at yesterdays bits and buckets and some posts on the illegals kind of stuck in my mind.

There are some complaints that the health care system is getting over run by illegals that skip out on there bills.

Thinking about that a little: you can make the same arguement about poor people in the US as well. So, are we going to send them off to Mexico as well. Are we going to deny medical care in critical situations?

Its pretty rare for that to actually happen in the US with the exception being extrodinary care for people with terminal illness. The cost of care in those situations being extreemly high and the resources very limited. In those cases (even for many citizens) there just isn’t much you can do.

Further complaints that illegals just tax the systems resources seem invalid. The illegals are in low income levels so even if they did pay taxes how much would it add up to? Probably they would add zero tax revenue. Further more most of the illegals I see are productive members of society.

They just get work as they can and actually produce stuff. Yard work, construction, agriculture… they provide a lot of labor so they contribute more than a lot of wall street gangsters.

I can see valid complaints in border areas where illegals cross for medical care and then leave the country. Not sure what to do about that but it is only near the borders where that would seem to be a problem.

Like a lot of us I get pretty hyped up when I see Mexican nationalists showing California/Texas and New Mexico going back to the Mexico. I also get mad when the illegals go around waving a mexican flag in my face. Or criminals flee to mexico to take advantage of antigringo laws.

Those are the things I take issue with. Mexico is so F-d up the people are fleeing. I understand you have a sense of identity HOWEVER realize you are actually fleeing that place for its poor government. You should be embracing the US government and systems that is helping you escape to a better life not waving a nationlistic tripe in our faces.

Anyhow, if we really want to end the problem all it would take are a few landmines along the border. Force the Mexicans away from the US border by a few hundred yards. Poof. Problem solved. Hell on the coyotes but should work just fine otherwise. Cheap, passive and pretty much ends the problem. Need a few navy patrols to keep the Ocean/Gulf clean but those are lower volume entry points.

If your not willing to do this then I suggest you get over the situation.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 09:02:05

Further complaints that illegals just tax the systems resources seem invalid. The illegals are in low income levels so even if they did pay taxes how much would it add up to?

That is the point. How does importing poverty help the US?

Comment by SF Mechanist
2008-04-09 09:30:49

Easy… ever hire one? They work for cheap and have (and expect) no labor rights. Plus you don’t need to buy them health insurance–the government subsidizes you on that. They are the employers dream.

Comment by Bub Diddley
2008-04-09 09:59:08

Exactly. The whole point of encouraging illegal immigration and globalization is to make American workers compete with third world wages and labor policies, so that corporations can be more profitable. Manufacturing would be moved back to the US in an instant if corporations could employ 12 year old white girls working 15 hour days and living in company-owned tenements, like they currently can with brown kids in Asia or South America. If corporate power is allowed to continue to grow unchecked, I don’t see this as impossible. Rather than raising the standard of living in the rest of the world, capitalism is working to bring the US standard of living down to that of the third world, in order to increase profits of the few on top.

The immigration debate in the US is viewed through the lens of race, when it is really economics. That is why both Republicans and Democrats favor illegal immigration, because it is of benefit to their true constituents - corporations and big business.

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Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 10:56:15

That helps the employer, not the US.

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Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 09:05:33

Mexico is so F-d up the people are fleeing. I understand you have a sense of identity HOWEVER realize you are actually fleeing that place for its poor government. You should be embracing the US government and systems that is helping you escape to a better life not waving a nationlistic tripe in our faces.

Mexico’s elites actually encourage this. This is why they meddle in our national policies, demanding benefits for their illegally present citizens while at the same time they beat central americans caught sneaking into Mexico.

 
Comment by hd74man
2008-04-09 09:16:57

RE: Further more most of the illegals I see are productive members of society.

Somehow I’m drawing a blank as to how all those illegal, non-English speaking mothers I see on the nightly news with their anchor babies are making their way in this country, exclusive of the US welfare system.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-04-09 11:01:56

RE: Further more most of the illegals I see are productive members of society.

That is a red herring. The issue is not whether they work or not (certainly many do). The point is that they are used to depress wages and since the pay little or no taxes they become a burden on taxpayers who have to provide their children with education, health care, foodstamps, etc. My sister is a bilingual ed teacher and she tells me that virtually all her students are on welfare and live in section 8 housing.

 
 
Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 09:19:32

Illegals don’t stay in the border areas, and when they move to the heartland, they use services there too.

If you want to end the problem, end employment. Already we are seeing fewer illegals coming as the economy in USA worsens. If you enforced stiff fines on businesses employing illegals, there would be no work. They would not come.

Comment by warlock
2008-04-09 12:58:27

The fallacy behind these arguments is that the economy is a fixed size. It isn’t.

To vastly oversimplify, just consider food production. To be able to feed non-food producers - like doctors say - the food workers have to produce a surplus. If every food worker produces a fixed size surplus, then importing illegal workers has the net effect of increasing the overall number of non-food producers that the economy can support. People like doctors, teachers, wall street bankers, etc.

Of course, no good deed goes unpunished.

 
Comment by Rintoul
2008-04-09 13:01:12

“If you enforced stiff fines on businesses employing illegals…” - this has been my stance all along. If you went to any construction site in Southern California in 2005 you’d no doubt have found MANY illegals. Was I the only one that knew this? Of course not. But did the authorities bother to do anything about it? No. Quit blaming the damn Mexicans and start considering some of the *real* sources of the problem.

 
 
Comment by arroyogrande
2008-04-09 16:47:21

The areas where “illegals” concentrate pay a hugely disproportionate price for illegals compared to the benefits. The entire country, along with certain industries (farmers, meat packing, hotel, construction, etc.) reap the rewards of illegal immigrant labor, while the local communities that “host” the usually poor ($$$ wise) immigrants face the burden of healthcare, schooling and incarceration. I *might* be in favor of increased immigration if the *true* costs were passed on to the consumers in the rest of the country, like paying to educate all of the non-English speakers in the LA Unified school district…or paying for incarceration of the California prison population that is in the country illegally…or paying for the health care of “illegals” using the emergency rooms.

Yes, as in everything, there are costs and benefits of increased immigration from poorer countries. It’s just that far too many people like the status quo of reaping the benefits while shirking the costs to local, illegal immigrant heavy areas. You can’t go through life stating that the rewards are greater then the costs, without first looking at *who* is getting the rewards, and *who* is paying the costs.

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 09:39:08

Robert J. Samuelson
Wednesday, April 9, 2008

High Finance Laid Low

“Except for oil executives, no group of business leaders is now more resented than the titans of finance — bankers, traders, hedge fund managers. They are blamed for the housing crisis, global financial turmoil and a possible recession. But this broad indictment, though true, is only half the story. The job of modern finance is to allocate Americans’ nearly $2 trillion in annual savings to its most productive uses; the paradox of finance is that its virtues and vices come tightly packaged together.

What we call “financial services” — insurance and real estate, as well as banking and securities trading — has been a growth sector. In 1976, it was 15 percent of gross domestic product; now it’s 21 percent. The expansion has produced many benefits: more credit for families and businesses; more investment choices for people saving for retirement and anything else; more investment capital for start-ups and smaller firms. Unfortunately, financial advances have also created periodic episodes of massive waste that threaten to destabilize the entire economy. …”
Washington Post
http://tinyurl.com/4×9jbl

 
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Comment by Jwhite
2008-04-09 09:56:43

Good article, thanks! I’ve always loved to cook so we rarely eat out, however, when we do (when we’re out of town) I’ve noticed the prices have been going up steadily. Having said that, Alabama’s restaurant prices are half of what you’d pay in Minneapolis - even if you go to a really swank place like Botega in Birmingham. Here in town, the fast food places and the fried food counter at Wallyworld are always packed. But I gotta say, most of those people REALLY don’t need anymore fried food. I’ve never seen so many really overweight folks in my life as here in this little town. The public housing here looks as though it’s populated by beachballs and the upscale folk aren’t far behind.

 
 
Comment by OCBear
2008-04-09 09:51:03

This morning on the way into work I was listening to KNX1070 news radio as usual and hearing the Sheeple prepared news. Gas all time high, yada yada, $3.70 in SoCal, yada yada. Then they talked about “BEER GOING UP IN PRICE” because of the cost of Hop’s hitting $25.00(per unit?) an increas from as low as $5.00 just last year.

Now this thing is getting serious, Joe Sixpack may soon be Joe Fortyouncer. Writing my House of Rep. bozo again as this just wont do.

We may need to take to the street’s, first the contractors have 1/2 the work now Beer is gonna double in price. You laugh(and so do I), but I know some people that this will actually be a wake up call for. I need to meet new people, LOL.

 
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Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 10:09:09

Now why would they cut the price to $100 investments? Not enough demand at the $1000 mark?

Comment by Jwhite
2008-04-09 10:19:46

I’m thinking the Gov is desperate to kick start some savings here. I really suspect that some of the economic doomsday scenarios are probably far more likely then is generally accepted (except here of course :)) by the sheeple at large and the powers that be are panicking behind the “Stay calm, all is well” (I love “Animal House”!) facade they’re putting forward.

 
Comment by matt
2008-04-09 10:20:25

Wait until you see their new poster!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BuyWarBonds.jpg

 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 10:21:00

Investing in T-Bills right now, seems like the equivalent of buying Czarist bonds, early in 1917…

Good night and good luck.

Comment by Jwhite
2008-04-09 10:28:43

What, and not support the Rodina??? Sheesh, if EVERYONE thought that way… :D

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Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-04-09 10:16:25

Oil up 3 dollars 10.
Paging Dawn Wells.
Paging the Professor.
Who wants brownies?

Comment by Jwhite
2008-04-09 10:31:12

MaryAnn just got arrested for having smoked dope at her 60th B-Day party… 60! MAN I’m old! She used to be SOOOOO HOT.

Comment by Blano
2008-04-09 10:41:54

I think it was her 69th birthday IIRC. Yep, Ginger couldn’t shine her shoes.

Comment by Jwhite
2008-04-09 10:44:22

69!!!!! DOHHH! :(

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Comment by Blano
2008-04-09 10:58:18

I’ve seen much worse, much younger.

 
 
 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 10:33:58

Little buddy?

 
Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 10:51:37

All the commodity bears here announced oil was so over a month ago, and deflation had kicked in. Yeah, maybe not.

 
 
Comment by catspit1
2008-04-09 10:45:02

Where the hell is thee chick from Texas to tell us how to play this SKF thing? Happy Appomattox Courthouse day to all my HBB peeps.

Comment by Blano
2008-04-09 11:00:12

I just missed another nice little bump myself it seems.

 
Comment by Jwhite
2008-04-09 11:12:45

Off-topic By sheer coincidence, my Great x 2 Grandfather was at Appomattox in the Vermont Brigade and he watched my Wife’s x2’s Alabama regiment surrender their flag there. Very touchy subject when it gets brought up at her family gatherings… :)

Comment by catspit1
2008-04-09 11:23:31

How different things might’ve been eh? (go ahead and call me racist. Whatev. but i am referring to the fact that there almost wasn’t a big govt. in Washington. would that have been better in the long run i know not??)

Comment by Jwhite
2008-04-09 11:46:18

Well, state’s rights have taken a pummeling since then, that’s for sure. Having lived in Europe for so many years, I see the U.S. government heading for the same socialist model most countries have over there. It’s kind of as if we are adopting the worst parts of their system, while they adopt the worst parts of ours…

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Comment by Jean S
2008-04-09 12:55:24

and one of my great-grandfathers was there and then walked home to North Georgia….have you ever been there? it’s a lovely and haunted place.

Comment by Jwhite
2008-04-09 13:18:49

Never been to North GA. I’ve always been in the central and coastal areas. North Alabama is pretty though- hills and plains with lots of water shed thanks to the TVA.

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Comment by Jean S
2008-04-09 19:27:50

I meant Appomattox…but N. Ga. is pretty in spots.

 
 
 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-04-09 15:20:10

My dad’s great great (?) grandfather was killed for resisting arrest by a battalian under the leadership of my mom’s great-great grandfather (though not directly involved, General Davidson). Makes for some lively family reunion topics when we get both sides together.

 
 
 
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Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 10:53:55

Where’s Prof bear and the commodity crash crowd? Probably out siphoning gas from cars. I know exeter rides a bike.

Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-04-09 11:20:29

The usual cackle of Hyenas can be counted on to chime in, just wait…

Comment by vozworth
2008-04-09 18:54:52

is that blood I smell?

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Comment by vozworth
2008-04-09 18:50:09

voz is still long, cant get away from it….you gotta pay to play.

 
 
Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-04-09 11:22:20

My brother, Jack Mormon, says I have enough savings to live on, as long as I don’t become a crack head.
When I read this blog I see pesos.
He says to get over the whole low interest rate thing and quit worrying about my stock portfolio.
When I read this blog I see shredded paper.

Comment by watcher
2008-04-09 11:29:41

I see debt people.

Comment by vozworth
2008-04-09 18:52:20

the current vernacular is:
“icey debt people.”

ok I feel better now, have not posted in some time…tryin to kick the habbit.

 
 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 14:42:07

from Le Metropole Cafe

“Something Big out There

Hi:
Found this on a chatboard,
cheers,
Ed xxxxxx

I have worked retail for several years. I am in mid-level store management right now. I don’t want to say exactly what company I work for, but it is in the top 3 largest. I work at a store in a major city.

There have been some crazy things going on recently. The changes that we are being asked me make per corporates direction makes me think that the people at the top think something VERY big is going to be happening to the economy soon. I don’t think the media or the government is giving us the full details of what is actually going on, but I think the CEO’s and others at the top are fully aware and are making plans.

For one thing I check sales every day. At the store level we usually compare what sales are today compared to sales for the same day, week, month, and year last year. Sales at our store, our district, and company wide have taken a HUGE drop compared to the same time last year. When I looked at them today my store and every store in our district was down over 30% for the same time last year. The company as a whole is also in the negative for the same time last year. (but not as much, but it gets lower every day).

Honestly at my store I could say that we have done everything in our power at the store level to increase sales, but it just isn’t happening. Departments like electronics are literally almost completely empty the entire day. The only departments that actually are getting sales are consumables, health, and chemicals. Just walking the store these are the only departments I ever even see people in ever since christmas ended.

Sometimes I will cover the service desk so a team member can take a lunch/break. When I do I sometimes process peoples credit card payments which lets me see how much they owe and how much they are paying. There are tons of people with THOUSANDS of dollars on their card only making minimum payments. These balances are usually at interest rates over 20%. Then there are people bringing in checks for the full amount, but they are BALANCE TRANSFER checks…. they are just moving it to other cards.

But that isn’t what really worries me. What worries me is the changes corporate is making. I have worked here for years, and in the last 4 months I have seen more changes than all that time combined.

We are getting emails all the time from corporate telling us to reduce costs anyway we can. We recently got one telling us to start pulling fluorescent light bulbs, that we don’t need all of them in order to provide illumination…. and those bulbs barely use any power.

Corporate has instructed all stores to lower the AC. It has been lowered enough to the point we get complaints from team members and customers.

Corporate has sent us emails telling us to make sure we fill bags to the absolute possibly maximum. They are not even sending us large bags anymore to some stores.

Corporate has recently eliminated (what I would estimate based on how many positions we lost vs the thousands of stores we have) several thousand management positions at *all levels* of management at stores.

This NEVER APPEARED ON THE NEWS! I suspect because it was not a traditional lay off. What corporate basically told us was “Your position is eliminated, but you are not laid off. Once you quit/get your self fired/whatever your position just won’t be filled again” So we are basically slowly losing jobs as people company wide quit, get fired, etc…. but the jobs are never filled again. So basically we are cutting jobs, but the way it is being done is preventing it from getting reported in the media or tracked by the government as job losses.

No non-management positions have been eliminated, instead hours have been cut for them.

Raises this year have also been lowered in amount compared to in previous years. They have been lowered enough that corporate is keeping it a secret until we have to tell team members.

The company is also buying less. Our distribution centers are sending us, for example, 3 of a certain item when normally we would get 50…. and they don’t send us more until those sell. I have not been able to keep departments full of product despite contacting corporate and asking for more because we are being sent such small amounts of product.

We have had trucks cancelled all the time now simply because we sold so little that they can’t justify sending so few items to a store.

People are simply NOT buying things. They are not buying anything that isn’t a consumable basically. I asked our pricing team to do a store mark down and lower the price on almost all of our TVs by 30-50%. We still have not sold a single one in over a week after! Our TVs were not priced very high to begin with.

Our pricing team is also being sent price increase changes from corporate in huge numbers. I am talking entire aisles of product for them to raise the prices on.[Bag here: Inflation? what Inflation?] The other day we got a STACK of pages of product to increase prices on. We thought it HAD to be a mistake because that has simply never happened before. We have emailed corporate asking if it was a mistake… we have not heard back yet, but I suspect it was not.

Many stores are now changing to non-overnight stores. They will be closed overnight and ALL power except in office areas will be cut overnight to save on costs.

There have even been changes to job descriptions recently. Corporate is basically giving job dutys to people at lower levels which used to be reserved for people at higher levels. Even some management tasks are being given to people in non-management positions. Basically they are paying people less to do what people used to get paid more to do.

Things are NOT looking pretty right now. I can tell you from a consumer spending point of view something is definantely going on…. All these changes tell me the people at the top are trying to brace for something big that is going to be happening to the economy.”
http://www.lemetropolecafe.com.
subscription required (2 week trial for free)

Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-04-09 15:27:43

Interesting comment, Hoz. But why the conspiratorial attitude, I wonder. Is the common man really that clueless as to what’s going on? Amazing.

Comment by hoz
2008-04-09 15:43:17

IMHO the very rare individual has a clue. There is an inherent trust in the government and in government pronouncements, I still have friends that believe there were/are weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq! That is undeserved trust.

There are world recognized economists that believe every thing will be hunky dory. Mr. Paulson’s contact with the common man is when he goes on a slumming trip to the Hilton Hotel. The world looks fine to him except for a few ‘deadbeats’ that could pay their mortgage but don’t.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-04-09 15:33:11

Pardon me, but the part about the overnight stores is really bothering me. Who needs to go out and buy a TV at 3 a.m.?

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2008-04-09 14:45:53

from USA Today an interactive foreclosure map of Denver and environs
http://www.usatoday.com/news/graphics/foreclosure_map/foreclose.htm

Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-04-09 15:34:12

The map makes it look like the entire city is being foreclosed, yet the header says 11,000 mol.

Either way, it’s a lot. Think of it, if the entire city of Denver were for sale, would you buy it? Even if the price was right? I wouldn’t (unless I could afford to raze it).

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-04-09 15:31:41

Tucson-based mortgage company goes bust, but leaves its personnel files behind. Makes me wonder how their client files were treated after they went Chapter 11.

 
Comment by hoz
2008-04-09 16:00:13
Comment by CA renter
2008-04-10 04:17:10

Thank you, hoz. That’s an excellent site.

 
 
Comment by hoz
2008-04-09 16:39:15

A preliminary calculation from Treasury department data suggests that China has sold about $200B in its dollar reserves.
http://www.treas.gov/tic/shlprelim.html

Just something to think about

Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 17:19:08

I guess there is no translation for “cash is king” in China?

 
 
Comment by Left LA Behind
2008-04-09 17:17:48

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/article3716586.ece

Bless the Brits. Their comment section is always entertaining.

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-04-09 18:44:32

doin one for Hozzie.

noted comments regarding China policy statement bout rice.
noted currency corner on the Krona.
noted comentation of retail, dovetails with book transhipment layoff, anecdotal public radio.

I think Im seeing:
significantly less air travel.
uprising in the emerging centered mostly around food which is tied to wages.
interest rates too low.
deflation of thingies, but not oil.
the sum total of the coinage that makes up a dollar, is greater than a dollar….I dont like that.

its either foreign currency collapse, or mad max…. whose the mad printer?…..does the virtual world trump reality?

Comment by hoz
2008-04-09 20:19:54

Voz old buddy, you are working to hard. Take a deep breath and click your heels together three times and say ‘go yuan go’.

Just keep your passport at hand, no bank safe deposit boxes for a while. A $20 and $10 gold coin will fly you anywhere in the world. There is a nice 36′ ocean going trimaran for sale in Portland. Sail the oceans in comfort. (It is easier to sail the pacific than the great lakes, consistent wind direction.)

We’ll muddle through this.

 
 
Comment by vozworth
2008-04-09 18:46:01

Im really tryin to take a weee bit of time off, and Im still working 12 hour days.

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-04-09 18:57:59

ben?

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-09 19:19:05

“As Anasazi society became more complex, it also became more fragile.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/science/08anasazi.html?_r=2&ref=science&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

____________________________________________________________

We are far more complex than our country’s ancestors, the Anasazi.

How fragile are we?

 
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