An Alarming, Nonsensical Boom
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “The latest trend in a South Florida housing downturn limping into its third year? Traveling tours of foreclosed homes. On Thursday, a zebra-striped Hummer limousine rolled to a stop in front of a vacant, two-story yellow house on a corner lot in Tequesta, the northernmost city in Palm Beach County.”
“Having finished sipping Mimosas, 11 people stepped out of the 30-foot vehicle and followed three real estate agents inside, opening cupboards, admiring the Mexican tile and wondering how much of a discount they could expect off the $290,000 list price. Then it was back in the limo and on to the next property.”
“Retirees Marie Mindala and Carl Coghlan are planning to marry soon and used the tour as a chance to scout for properties. One in Palm Beach Gardens was listed for $499,900 after selling two years ago for $930,000.”
“‘Somebody paid $900,000 for this house? They were crazy,’ Mindala said. ‘That’s what the market was at the time,’ Coghlan countered.”
“According to a survey by the Mortgage Bankers Association, 2.36 percent of homes with mortgages in Maine are in the foreclosure process, which is the most since the association began keeping records in 1979.”
“The Legal Counsel to the Maine Association of Realtors, Linda Gifford, said many local banks are considering short sales where they accept less than what is owed to them with the reason being that many houses are no longer worth what is owed on them.”
“‘Everybody thought the values would keep rising,’ Gifford said. ‘They didn’t.’”
“In Charlotte and across the country, foreclosures are increasingly afflicting exclusive communities and high-end homeowners. It points to a trend experts say often goes unrecognized — and could get worse.”
“‘We hear all about certain neighborhoods, and justifiably so,” said Conrad Miller, a real estate agent who lives in Providence Pointe. ‘It rears its ugly head in a little different fashion (in the high end). People overbought. Just because you qualify for a $400,000 house, you shouldn’t buy a $400,000 house.’”
“The number of properties for sale in Charleston has built up to nearly 11,000, according to the Charleston Trident Association of Realtors. Home foreclosures in the Charleston area rose dramatically during the first three months of this year. Now that the housing boom has reversed and prices have stopped climbing, some homeowners have found that they now owe more money than their home is worth.”
“‘People have put themselves in a position where they bought houses they couldn’t afford,’ said Frank Hefner, an economics professor at the College of Charleston. ‘If you’ve taken a variable-rate loan, you are speculating. ‘If you do a 30-year fixed (loan), you’re no longer speculating, but you might not be able to afford the house.’”
“The Charlottesville region’s real-estate market may have slowed to a tortoise’s pace, but that’s actually a good thing — at least for first-time homebuyers.”
“‘First-time homebuyers are the engine that makes the real-estate industry and the new construction industry work,’ said Ray Caddell, a real-estate agent who is in his 25th year of working with first-time buyers. ‘We call it the domino. The whole chain has to work or nothing works.’”
“Charlottesville-area homes are a good long-term investment, Caddell said, but not for house flippers who are looking for a quick payday. ‘We have to get back to understanding that the single best reason to buy a house is to put a roof over your family’s head,’ he said. ‘It’s not like buying pork bellies.’”
“Overland Park and Olathe lead Johnson County in foreclosures as of April 1. ‘In Olathe I get (a foreclosed house) every week,’ said Realtor Ellen Brewood. ‘It’s probably the type of housing there. Olathe was very hot a few years ago and everybody was moving there … it’s still a good location but it grew so fast and so many properties were available. It became easier for people to get in.’”
“When Carol Wolowic was looking for a home in Rockford last summer, it was a seller’s market. She was outbid on three houses before finally buying a house on the city’s northwest side for slightly less than $120,000.”
“Last summer, buying that house took real motivation. She spent several Sundays scouring neighborhoods and visiting open houses, going through an estimated 50 houses before putting in her unsuccessful offers and then finding her current home.”
“‘Most of my friends are in Chicago, and they are still renting,’ said the 26-year-old Wolowic. ‘I encourage anyone who asks to go out and buy. It makes so much more sense than renting forever.’”
“Up until about July last year, the local housing market was continuing a six-year run when it was perhaps the strongest sellers’ market in local history. In the second half of 2007, the market did a 180-degree turn. Now, the housing market may be the strongest buyers’ market in the last 10 years.”
“The story of this property’s foreclosure offers a compelling glimpse into the economic chain reactions that began months or even years ago and result in property losses that are rippling throughout the region, the state and the country.”
“Joan, a Fort Collins landlord who asked that her full name not be used, and her husband bought the house three years ago for between $140,000-$150,000 as a rental investment. At the time, Joan’s husband owned his own masonry and bricklaying business. Money was good, business credit was easy to come by and the deal seemed like a wise investment for the future.”
“‘We got one of those no-money-down, interest-only deals,’ she said. ‘It made a lot of sense at the time. We didn’t realize it wasn’t going to cash flow.’”
“Joan said she ‘doesn’t feel too good’ about the house being sold, particularly when she reads the newspapers and hears politicians blaming people like her for getting in over their heads. The loan industry should bear its portion of the responsibility for the rise in foreclosures, she said.”
“‘The people presenting these loans, they’re supposed to be the professionals,’ she said. ‘There isn’t a person in Fort Collins who didn’t get a postcard in the mail every week telling them to refinance, or ‘now’s the time to buy.’ They’re the experts in the field telling you you can afford this.’”
“According to data from the state’s division of housing, Adams County boasted the highest number of foreclosures in Colorado in 2007. To Kathi Williams, housing director for the state’s division of local affairs, these counties’ high figures stemmed directly from a spike in home construction, unreliable lending and low equity.”
“Williams cited commonalities in the foreclosure cycles she’d witnessed, she also pointed out that the current housing crisis is unique in that it has more to do with an oversupply of housing stock and a reliance on unreliable loans.”
“Any long-term solution, she said, would not involve quick-fix legislation or large-scale debt forgiveness. Williams warned that such a simplistic approach could hurt private investors in lending companies, and only shift the burden to another group.”
“‘Today we have a lot of loans in which people overstated their income and understated their expenses,’ Williams said. ‘When you’ve got a market in which you’ve got someone overextended into a house with no equity … They will not be able to sustain them long-term. We’ve got a patient that’s bleeding to death and we need to figure out what is the most effective triage.’”
“House prices in Britain, at six times average earnings, are too high. That’s it. We all know that, we’ve known it for years. Property prices are nonsensical, exorbitant, unaffordable, immorally inflated by investors and a shortage of available land space to build new homes, exploited by a greedy City.”
“All those buying a property have known this for the past five years at least, and it has then become in their interest to hope that the boom continues.”
“To that extent, property owners have been complicit in the financial recklessness of the past few years: easy credit built on pyramid selling. Buying houses has been a gamble, a cross-your-fingers-and- hope-for-the-best, those-mortgages- are-pretty-generous bet that many of us have indulged in.”
“Nothing could be more immoral, then, in the current climate, than using government efforts and taxpayers’ money to encourage first-time buyers to enter the housing market in order to stabilise the dodgy situation that banks and incautious borrowers have got themselves into.”
“They are trying to tempt the banks into continuing to offer cheap mortgage deals on properties that are simply not worth the astonishingly high amounts they have been flogged at in recent years. And trying to encourage you to sign up for them.”
“Why would anyone with the interests of a first-time buyer at heart encourage him, or anybody else for that matter, to purchase at the top end of the market, with a long-overdue correction imminent? They will tumble into negative equity before they’ve finished clearing up the Valpolicella stains from the housewarming party.”
“It isn’t as if, to most of the rest of us, a fall in house prices is such a big deal anyway. To most of us, for whom a house is a home, not part of an investment portfolio, tumbling values make sense. To most of us, the loss of 4,000 estate agents isn’t much to worry about. Nor is the loss of tens of thousands of City boys.”
“To most of us, the housing bubble has been an alarming, nonsensical boom. For most of us, a sharp correction will come as a blessed relief. House prices might make some sort of sense again; investors from the City and overseas will leave us alone and stop buying up the places we need to live in.”
“A decent house in the country might become affordable once more for a local person, not just for someone from far away, paying cash.”
This was a fun week. My thanks to those who support this blog. Please check back this weekend for news, your market observations and topics.
There’s some real doozies in this post, there are.
Here’s a three-fer for the “no bubble in Dallas” crowd! Oh, how it must pain the Morning Snooze to have to print these. I’m sure by now Steve Brown is hanging upside down somewhere and being waterboarded by the local developer crowd.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/041808dnbushousing.3aa861b.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/041808dnbusforeclosures.73261771.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-Jumbo_18bus.ART.State.Edition1.46a0155.html
“But many investors now shy away from mortgage-backed securities, given the recent credit problems.”
Maybe they are shying away, because they don’t want to buy a security and then have to “write down” the balance in a few months. My guess is that there are a whole lot of investors that are dreading having to write mtges down to 85% of current market value on the homes that the mtges were taken against (Barney Frank’s plan). Why on earth would the purchase more of these at the same time bailout plans are being discussed?
“Retirees Marie Mindala and Carl Coghlan are planning to marry soon and used the tour as a chance to scout for properties. One in Palm Beach Gardens was listed for $499,900 after selling two years ago for $930,000.”
“‘Somebody paid $900,000 for this house? They were crazy,’ Mindala said. ‘That’s what the market was at the time,’ Coghlan countered.”
Hey, well, might as well join the craziness, eh? You won’t lose $431K, but you can try to lose $100K or so. Have at it
“‘Somebody paid $900,000 for this house? They were crazy,’ Mindala said. ‘That’s what the market was at the time,’ Coghlan countered.”
But nobody has paid 900k for anything. It was probably 100% financed at that time.I don’t think we would be in this mess if people actaully paid for stuff.
>nobody has paid 900k for anything.
The bank paid 900K for being stupid enough to provide funds for the deal.
The house they are speaking of is in my development. I recognized it on the video (on the Sun Sentinel site), and yes, that person was crazy. But you’re just as crazy to pay 499 for this home.
The homes in my neighborhood, when you factor in the insane HOA/taxes/insurance in this area should sell for, at MOST, 100/sq/ft. And that, honestly, is really a stretch, the carrying costs in Palm Beach county are just off the charts, and the median income is mid 40K. That’s not a recipe for 499K 2500/sqft homes. Not a chance in he**.
Good facts, and anectdotal. Thanks.
“‘Somebody paid $900,000 for this house? They were crazy,’ Mindala said. ‘That’s what the market was at the time,’ Coghlan countered.”
this would make great Star Trek episode…..beam me now Scotty
“‘Most of my friends are in Chicago, and they are still renting,’ said the 26-year-old Wolowic. ‘I encourage anyone who asks to go out and buy. It makes so much more sense than renting forever.’”
Ah, to be young and stupid again.
And notice they don’t investigate how much money she has lost since she bought. Tsk Tsk.
I like to watch the regional and local money news as well as housing and job situation ..MY money in particular.
The second largest bank in Wisconsin just added to it’s reserves for the 2nd time in 2 quarters taking a uncollectable bad debt of $19.5 Million.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=740831
The states largest bank, Marshall & Ilsley Corp. of Milwaukee, took a big hit and increased it’s reserves earlier.
Harley Davidson to cut 750 jobs.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=740901
Briggs and Stratton shares hit a 15 yr low
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=740841
A.O. Smith Corp. lowers earning forcast
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=740847
Midwest Airlines to cut 109 jobs
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=740478
No recession or bubble HERE.
Take out a loan, fill up your gas tanks and go out and buy a house for the ECONOMY this weekend. Nothing to FEAR HERE folks. All is WELL.
The REST of you unpatriotic doom and gloomers, just keep it moving, move along now
“It makes so much more sense than renting forever.’”
Maybe I AM young and stupid…but honestly, I don’t want to rent forever. My parents never owned a home when I was a kid, but they were terrible with money and went through a nasty divorce. I had a lot of idealism abut being a homeowner and thanks to you guys I think my view of it is much more realistic. Thankfully, I’ve come to appreciate (greatly) the virtues of renting and of waiting out this housing correction. But at some point, I want to make the plunge. I won’t do it until I know I am in control of my own money, which means being totally debt free. Maybe in another year or so….
RE: I don’t want to rent forever
Who says you do…just have to evaluate personal circumstances and buy smart with an appropriate financing instrument.
Biggest temptation-Falling into the McMansion psychology cesspool.
These monstrosities are nothing more than functionally obsolete targets for the property taxman and energy & maintenance pigs to boot.
Personally-I’d purchase nothing over 1400SF.
Buying a home is not a bad thing usually. It’s just a bad idea right now.
Prices are falling and will fall even more. Eventually they’ll drop low enough that buying finally makes financial sense. We’re not there yet, but that day is approaching.
In my area (Boston) I think it will be time to start looking in one or two years, and probably OK to buy one more year after that. The “bottom” of this market will be a long sideways doldrums that will last for years. It will be almost impossible to miss it.
I too do not wish to rent forever. I want to rent while it’s cheaper to rent (like now), and then buy when it’s cheaper to buy (in a few years).
“‘The people presenting these loans, they’re supposed to be the professionals,’ she said. ‘There isn’t a person in Fort Collins who didn’t get a postcard in the mail every week telling them to refinance, or ‘now’s the time to buy.’ They’re the experts in the field telling you you can afford this.’”
Who said someone who sends you a postcard or passes a real estate test makes you an expert in the field?
Someone get over there and confiscate her television. No telling that the “professionals” on the tube will be telling her to buy –
“They’re the experts in the field telling you you can afford this.’”
And you believe everything you’re told ? S-U-C-K-E-R.
She wasn’t suckered into anything. She is just refusing to take personal responsibility for her bad decision.
“a 30-foot zebra-striped Hummer limousine”
Lovely. I wonder what’s between the seat cushions?
“I wonder what’s between the seat cushions?”
A couple of ‘Time2Buy’ buttons, a Denny’s apron, and some skunk weed. Haha!
I’ll bet those seat cushions aren’t harboring any loose change.
Whatever it is, it’s probably sticky.
“Whatever it is, it’s probably sticky.”
Gummi Bears?
I do not advocate violence, to be clear. But I don’t think it’s a good idea to be touring foreclosed properties while partying in a thirty-foot zebra-striped Hummer limo. Sooner or later the participants are going to be the focus of someone’s rage, and many people in this state are both well-armed and highly eccentric, which is not a good combination.
That UK article was awesome. Too bad excellent articles like that are almost never found in the US MSM anymore. It’s a blackout of logic.
My thoughts exactly. Bravo to Alice Miles for an exceptional article.
“Nothing could be more immoral, then, in the current climate, than using government efforts and taxpayers’ money to encourage first-time buyers to enter the housing market in order to stabilise the dodgy situation that banks and incautious borrowers have got themselves into.”
This article says it all perfectly.
“‘We hear all about certain neighborhoods, and justifiably so,” said Conrad Miller, a real estate agent who lives in Providence Pointe. ‘It rears its ugly head in a little different fashion (in the high end). People overbought. Just because you qualify for a $400,000 house, you shouldn’t buy a $400,000 house.’”
Nice to hear 400K described as the “high end” for a change. Here in Coastal CA, you couldn’t get a SFH for that at the height of the bubble, and only poor folks could afford to pay “only” 400K. Even 30 year old condos were going for more than this. Crazy times.
$400k buys a very nice house in the Charlotte metro area.
SLO_renter, any chance of meeting you before I leave the area next week?
“People overbought. Just because you qualify for a $400,000 house, you shouldn’t buy a $400,000 house.”
People didn’t necessarily buy more house than they should have been able to afford based on their income. However, they did overpay significantly based on bubble-inflated prices.
No one should have been able to qualify for loans larger than their incomes would support. That they could qualify for loans much larger than supported by incomes says everything about the greediness of the lenders.
My cousin, who must now be bailed out by me (family!), bought a 1200 sf condo, built in 1973, unrenovated, in the SF Valley in LA, for $360K in 2005. She is an LA school teacher, makes $65K, and absolutely could not afford that much money. She got a “Loan4Heros” for teachers, firefighters, cops, etc. BFD. Exploding, neg-am loan. Now it is resetting, payments up 25%, no way she can make it. And the $360K condo she bought (for $300/sf) is appallingly small and dingy. She will HAVE to walk away (I will help her by getting her a new mortgage and credit cards) but what of those who don’t have someone to help them?
This is going to continue to get MUCH WORSE!!! And the markets continue to GO UP - S&P pushing 1400 - who is smoking what? It could be me, but i don’t think so. Meet me at 10,000 on the Dow.
“Overland Park and Olathe lead Johnson County in foreclosures as of April 1.”
Say it ain’t so. The snobs in Johnson county Kansas won’t like this.
Is Olathe a bedroom community where people commute to KC or Lawrence?
Lawrence is a bedroom community for Topeka. Olathe is a bedroom community for KC.
Thanks. It has been a long time since I have been around there (although I have old friends and relatives there) - I think of Lawrence as KU (may be housing bubble issues there), Olathe as classic bedroom community where everyone has to drive to work (screwed), Johnson County (later)
I take Tango’s point below - I don’t know as to the prevalence of toxic loans in OK/ KS / NE. But I like hearing more from “flyover country.”
This is just a case of ridiculously poor math/analytical skills! Guess what the two largest cities in Johnson County are? OP and Olathe! They didn’t even normalize the numbers.
Next shocking headline: Boston has the most foreclosures in Massachusetts.
Heinlen was right. Specialization is for insects. Why is it that so many writers can’t seem to grasp any concept or perform any task besides writing and quoting “experts”? OK, rant off.
For what it’s worth, the numbers still seem low, though they are on the rise. Olathe (pop. 90,000) has 1 foreclosure per week. I’ve been watching Billings, MT (pop. 100,000) and we’ve been seeing 3-4 per week.
Kansas/Oklahoma/Nebraska will be interesting to watch. House prices aren’t terribly out of line with incomes. But the appreciation rate has gone up. And there’s quite possibly a lot of toxic loans out there.
Yeah, housing prices in Kansas are quite reasonable given incomes, at least in the cities. Topeka, Wichita, and KCK tend to have quite a few foreclosures, but that is nothing new. Johnson county Kansas actually has one of the highest per-capita incomes in the country (upper 2% of all US counties), is a fairly large county (500,000+ people), but housing prices are generally in the $200K range for median. Maybe they have a reason to be snobs?
“‘Most of my friends are in Chicago, and they are still renting,’ said the 26-year-old Wolowic. ‘I encourage anyone who asks to go out and buy. It makes so much more sense than renting forever.’”
Renting forever??!! And this statement coming from a 26-year old who has clearly never seen a down market? Why is the MSM even quoting this crap?
They are quoting it because their editors made sure these quotes made it into the story. The editors made sure these quotes made it in because the advertisers demand something for their money. And real estate folks spend a lot of money advertising. If the advertisers don’t get the articles they like, they take their money to the next newspaper.
Because the wags back in the newsroom need some fresh fodder for their daily ridicule session. And, if you’ve never been in a newsroom, you’re missing out on some world-class ridicule. It’s a shame that some of it can’t go into the paper.
Time to waterboard some newspaper editors.
Ummm….because that’s what she said?
Damn editors…the First Amendment is for terrorists.
From the Charlotte article:
“‘I think, typically, the first few are very under-the-radar,’ Graham said. ‘But once you get a few … just as with the neighborhoods on the affordable end, it impacts the values of the entire neighborhood. When there are a lot of foreclosures in one neighborhood, it becomes very difficult to get market value for the other homes.’”
That’s not how I see it. To me, the prices those houses bring ARE today’s market value. If they were worth more, somebody would have paid more. I think what Graham should have said is that multiple foreclosures reduce the market value of the neighborhood. Coming soon to another ‘hood near you.
If you have that many foreclosures in a neighborhood ,than the values were pumped up by buyers who were not really valid buyers because they were either investors or unqualified buyers . A market is established by willing and able buyers and you can’t say that faulty lending to unqualified mania buyers was anything but a false unstable market . Certainly a good portion of these buyers didn’t have any skin in the game with the crazy financing .
Mmmmm. Mimosas.
There isn’t a person in Fort Collins who didn’t get a postcard in the mail every week telling them to refinance, or ‘now’s the time to buy.’
Postcards to get all of the sheeple in a nice herd! Round em up!
For those of you who seem to be ready to plunge into the market and buy because you think we might be near the bottom, please re-read this sites articles and check out other sites. According to most experts, the housing market will hit bottom and stay there for some time. Prices won’t magically collapse by thirty percent one day, stay there for three days and then rally back to 2005 levels. You will NOT miss the bottom by waiting. You WILL miss the bottom by buying when the market is still dropping.
Most US banks are bankrupt. They are being propped up by the Fed. They have stopped lending mortgages or severely cut back. Interest rates on mortgages have not dropped significantly; in many case they have risen. Lending criteria have reverted back to sanity; ten to twenty percent downpayment, verification of income, limits to multiples of income loaned. These things are not going to change overnight. In fact, the credit crisis is still worsening. Wall Street is in a bear rally. The recession is just begining. Unemployment is rising.
All this means that the housing market will drop more than even the bubble would suggest had the economy stayed the same. The long-term price-income ratio will hit the bottom of the range, implying median home prices of closer to $135 than the present $200. Foreclosures are growing rapidly; prices on those homes will be cut as much as fifty percent just to get them off the books. Housing inventories are at record levels. The housing bubble has not deflated yet and then must drop more to keep in line with recessionary conditions.
Basically, prices are going to drop for another two years. Then, and here is where the secret lies, prices WON’T rally sharply for years after that. So you WON’T miss the bottom. You will have years and years to find a great home.
If you really like a place and can really, truly afford it forever (well, thirty years on a fixed mortgage anyway) and can get a loan or have cash, then go ahead, but bear in mind your home will lose market value. If you resell in the next five years you will lose money. If you find that you cannot rent for the equivalent cost of owning, don’t rush in…bear in mind that the value of the home will probably drop, so renting is still a better investment. And, please, don’t simply compare rent to mortgage; consider insurance, maintenance, property taxes, etc.