April 27, 2008

Real Estate Will Always Change, And Not Always Up

The Des Moines Register reports from Iowa. “Iowa’s largest home builder, Regency Cos. of Des Moines, has laid off the entire staff of its home building business and left behind 300 homes that lenders and buyers will now have to sell or finish. Jamie Myers, president of Regency, said it became impossible for the company to continue after a lending agreement with Wells Fargo & Co. ended in December without a renewal. ‘We don’t have the cash flow to pay them,’ he said of employees.”

“Regency now has about 300 homes in its inventory. Some are finished and awaiting sale, while others are still under construction. The suddenness of the decision was driven home by a draft of a press release that said home buyers and contractors are likely to have ‘more questions than there are answers at this point.’”

“Myers said lenders, who typically financed a portion of the homes the company was building, ‘are not wanting to take any more risk.’ Without their support, the company couldn’t continue to build.”

The Beacon News from Illinois. “As of March 2008, Aurora had an average 7.75-month supply of homes on the market throughout the city’s four-county area. In comparison, the supply of inventory is 10.57 months in Bolingbrook, 10.27 months in Plainfield and 8.63 months in Wheaton.”

“The average supply for the Chicagoland area’s 190 communities is about 11 months as of March, according to Chip Wagner of Headrick-Wagner Consulting Group.”

“Wagner worries that smaller communities like Oswego and Yorkville will struggle with sales of new home construction as those towns welcomed growth spurts. Wagner, who appraises homes throughout Chicagoland, said he is noticing more homeowners in Oswego dropping prices to compete with new construction from builders.”

“He worked with a client that was selling a home for $325,000, the lowest price in the subdivision. The builder of an adjacent subdivision has been offering homes valued at $425,000, but offered $150,000 in options.”

“And because the Fox Valley area is still a highly transient area, Wagner says competition will continue among resale homes and new construction. ‘Some builders are reducing homes by 50 percent. It’s a tough scenario,’ he said.”

“Billy Atchison of Yorkville, who has had his house on the market for a month, said it’s a price range that is attracting many buyers. His four-bedroom home at $258,000 has drawn serious interest from about three couples, he said.”

“‘I would be worried if I had a $500,000 home because those houses right now are a whole lot harder to sell than my price range,’ Atchison said.”

The Courier News from Illinois. “In the Fox Valley is that prices are pretty much holding their own, even though it is taking much longer to sell them. In Elgin, for example, average home sales prices have inched up 1.31 percent over the last two years, but it is taking 13 months, on average, to sell your home — almost three times as long as it took in 2006.”

“Sales prices in Kane County over the past 12 months have dropped a little more than 2 percent, said Peter Swaufield, associate co-executive of the Realtor Association of the Fox Valley. But a majority of that is due to ‘people who have had their house on the market for a while and had to drop their selling price.’”

“How long a home stays on the market often depends on its perceived value, Swaufield said. ‘Two years is not abnormal for a million-dollar home,’ he said.”

“He acknowledged that it is taking longer to sell a home these days compared to the hot real estate market prior to 2006. ‘At the peak of the housing boom, the average market time was 40 days. Now, 120 days is a typical timeline,’ depending on price point, Swaufield said.”

“Because there are so many homes on the market, those that are not in their prime…often are passed up for ‘that perfect doll house. And there are a lot more perfect doll houses these days,’ he said.”

“Realtor Judi Falbisaner of Re/Max of Northern Illinois, a 25-year veteran of the industry, describes the Elgin area market as the worst she’s ever seen.”

“Falbisaner said sellers are no longer in the driver’s seat. ‘I don’t think the market is going to change at all until sellers are willing to accept the fact that their homes are (not going to sell) at their perceived value,’ she said. ‘Right now, they want top dollar for their house — and buyers are not paying it.’”

“Asked is she saw a turnaround anytime soon, Falbisaner said, ‘No. How do you like that for optimism?’”

“Swaufield agrees — to a point. ‘Real estate is a cyclical industry. It will always change — and not always up,’ he said.”

The Toledo Blade from Ohio. “Opinions on what downtown Toledo needs have been as bountiful through the years as vacant storefronts are today. While the number of people living downtown has grown in the past decade, the real estate market has not taken off in the ways that some urban pioneers anticipated.”

“Downtown restaurants and shops are closing, condominiums remain unsold, and plans have slowed for new housing units. In the condo market, Bartley Lofts at 745 Washington St., has sold only 31 of its 52 units.”

“Downtown investors once held hopes for the 2002 opening of Fifth Third Field, home of the Triple-A Mud Hens. There was talk of how the new ballpark would help lure a ‘critical mass’ of people whose dollars would then support a host of new amenities such as cafes and restaurants. Those new businesses, the theory goes, in turn would attract more people to set up residence downtown.”

“Luke Welch, 22, said that three years ago he and a roommate moved to a market-rate apartment at New Cheney Flats apartments in the UpTown area. A year later, they moved out.”

“We said, ‘Downtown - that sounds exciting. There should be coffee shops, and there are art galleries, and we should be right where the action is,’ Mr. Welch recalled. ‘And as soon as we moved in, we realized there pretty much was no downtown action. We didn’t have any problems or break-ins, but it was just super boring; there was just more to do in the suburbs.’”

“He added: ‘Once we moved downtown, we actually started driving more.’”

“For others, downtown offers an amenity seldom found in the suburbs: DUI-free nightlife. ‘It’s like, ‘Oh man, I can just walk to the bar,’ said Ryan Agee, property manager for Museum Place apartments.”

The Detroit News from Michigan. “Carl Grewe has tried to sell his Richmond childhood home for almost two years. Despite monthly open houses, the 1900s-era home originally listed at $279,000 is now priced at $149,000, and he’s still getting nary a nibble.”

“‘The market is just not there,’ said Grewe. ‘We’re going to stay where we’re at. It’s a steal at that price.’”

“Real estate agents hope to sell Grewe’s and nearly 2,100 other Metro Detroit homes by hosting an open house Sunday being billed as the biggest event of its kind nationwide. Organizers of the Big Open House expect hundreds of prospective home buyers to tour homes and jumpstart the regional housing market, devastated by the foreclosure crisis.”

“Lori Polzin put up her recently renovated 744-square-foot ranch in Rochester Hills for sale in February after she and her husband found a new home in Armada set to close next week. They’ve already dropped the asking price $10,000 to $119,000.”

“‘There’s so many foreclosed homes right now. We’re trying to compete,’ she said.”

The Appleton Post Crescent from Wisconsin. “Anyone seeking local proof of the national foreclosure crisis can find it papering the lobby at the Outagamie County Justice Center. The public notices of sheriff’s foreclosure sales posted there numbered 76 on Friday. That’s three more than at the start of the week.”

“The trio of glass-enclosed bulletin boards that have been put up expressly for foreclosure postings could not contain them all, so 22 packets of legal paperwork were taped to the wall.”

“If anyone could have foreseen the mortgage meltdown, it might have been Jeff Daniel of Appleton. Daniel, a homebuyer and rehabilitator since 1971, faces four separate foreclosure actions — one involving his heart-of-the-city home and another that claimed a duplex he purchased in 1973.”

“‘I debt-serviced it until there was nothing left,’ he said of the duplex. ‘Now, they have my money and the property.’”

“Each of the foreclosures grew from adjustable-rate mortgages (ARMs) he obtained on separate properties between 2003 and 2006. Last spring, the interest rates on each of the loans reset, causing the minimum monthly payments to soar.”

“The monthly payments on his Appleton residence rose from $601 to $849. The mortgage was sold from one lender to another, then to a third company along the way. ‘The people who did the mortgage filed for bankruptcy,’ Daniel said.”

“More than half of the loan originators in Wisconsin left the business during 2007, their number dropping from about 15,000 to fewer than 7,000, said Caty Patton, manager of the Wisconsin Association of Mortgage Brokers.”

“Daniel referred to a real estate trade group’s estimate that about 1,100 Fox Valley homes are in some state of foreclosure right now. ‘These are people who had good credit and they took pride in that, and they all got hooked,’ he said.”

“Fox Valley Home Buyers owner Jim Couch, who began buying, fixing and reselling repossessed homes about a decade ago, said he has noticed few other third-party bidders at the sheriff’s sales in Outagamie County since the year began.”

“‘A lot of the other people went broke,’ Couch said. ‘Or else they got out of the business when the (real estate) market went bad.’”

“That happened more than a year ago, Couch said, admitting he didn’t recognize the signs at first. Couch noted both of one recent day’s opening bids were well below their respective bank debts — about $30,000 less in one case. Still, nobody was willing to buy them.”

“Andy Lewis, a UW-Extension analyst, said his office began studying state court records of foreclosure cases in Wisconsin last year, after learning no other state agency was doing so. Lewis said the four-county foreclosure case filings…total of 473 was about double the volume five years earlier and about six times that of the same period a decade ago.”

“Lewis said the above-state- average Fox Cities foreclosure rates probably reflect on its above-average rate of growth during the building boom.”

“‘When you were in markets like the Fox Cities or Dane County where the property values were going up 10 or 15 percent a year, the prices of those mortgages probably didn’t seem out of line,’ he said.”

“The mortgage attached to Daniel’s residence was $59,000 at its start. The debt grew to more than $100,000 while he made the scheduled monthly payments, he said. ‘Now I’m 58, and I’m having to start all over again,’ he said, adding that he doesn’t know if he will lose his present home or not.”

“For Daniel, the cost of the mortgage he took out on his residence wasn’t realized until it was already too late. A handmade for-sale sign sprouts from his home’s lawn, advertising his willingness to cut his losses. ‘No money down,’ the sign said.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-04-27 07:59:33

‘Lewis said the above-state- average Fox Cities foreclosure rates probably reflect on its above-average rate of growth during the building boom. ‘When you were in markets like the Fox Cities or Dane County where the property values were going up 10 or 15 percent a year, the prices of those mortgages probably didn’t seem out of line,’ he said.’

Once again, the house prices didn’t need to have 20-30% appreciation to create a bubble. In many places, prices should have been falling, so even 5% over a number of years can set up the resale market for a fall.

And this Daniel fellow is losing properties he’s owned for years. I wonder what he did with the refi loot?

Comment by spike66
2008-04-27 08:34:20

“‘I debt-serviced it until there was nothing left,’ he said of the duplex. ‘Now, they have my money and the property.’

Daniel is confused. He refi-ed and refi-ed until there was nothing left. Now, he has the loot, and the bank has the property
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Comment by vmaxer
2008-04-27 08:40:30

“‘I debt-serviced it until there was nothing left,’ he said of the duplex. ‘Now, they have my money and the property.’

Compound interest is a beautiful thing, unless your on the wrong side of it.

Comment by Neil
2008-04-27 08:46:09

rotflmao

A generation is about to learn why we have rainy day funds.

A generation is about to learn why we try to stay out of unnecessary debt.

I’ve come to the conclusion that 75% of the population cannot learn wise life lessons other than via pain in a recession. So be it. It wasn’t those with savings that starved in the depression.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

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Comment by Ann
2008-04-27 09:31:41

I agree Neil..going through it with a cousin of mine..had a great home available in my old community told them to buy it was alot of space, nice yard, cul-da-sac, pool. low HOA and before the boom..but NO..decided they had to LIVE like the Joneses..purchased in a stupid gated community where the BUILDER didn’t even have models! Had crazy HOA fees, swim tennis and a bunch of joneses to boot…well..in 03 came the first HELCO..why..to extend the driveway…WTF..no teenage drivers their just him and her(and the one carat diamond tiffany earrings in each of the babies ears!)….then came 04..another HELCO..why to PUT IN A POOL!!(I guess the community pool wasn’t good enough!..then came late 06 HELCO!..why…well both in real estate needed the money to live on!!..late 07 got served foreclosure notice..they have about 12 months…

 
Comment by Meshell
2008-04-27 12:05:01

There is nothing trashier than piercing a baby’s ears.

 
Comment by implosion
2008-04-27 13:51:29

Guess you haven’t been to NM.

 
Comment by tresho
2008-04-27 15:32:46

It wasn’t those with savings that starved in the depression. Correction — some with savings lost all their savings in bank collapses, and then were faced with real starvation.

 
 
 
Comment by Ann
2008-04-27 09:22:06

I don’t feel sorry for these people who just had a great situation and decided they wanted to “feel” like a millionaire when they never have been nor ever will be…I mean if you had a property since the 70’s…that property should be a retirement income for you not a foreclosed property..stop wining you HELCO/FB…you GOT your money out for whatever reason..take your medicine..

Comment by vmaxer
2008-04-27 09:53:32

“you GOT your money out for whatever reason..take your medicine..”

That point never gets made in the MSM. These serial HELOCer’s derived the benefits and chose to live off their equity. They ate the meal but can’t pay the bill. Now people who were responsible, didn’t live high on the hog, are supposed to feel sorry for them?

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Comment by are they crazy
2008-04-27 10:56:24

I wonder the percentage of those in the tank now actually had reasonable fixed rate loans with low balance, and heloced or refied into something else? They got a big old wad or several of cash tax free and just stupided it away. Now they’re all crying about losing their house they’ve had for 10, 15, 30 years. I assume they get no bailouts. Had a tremendous opportunity dumped in their laps and totally screwed it off. People had hundreds of thousands tax free available if they had actually done it the right way - sold at the top and rented. There was this total brain warp that they could suck the equity out and wouldn’t have to pay because it was their equity. Now, those folks have not only lost the opportunity, they’ve lost it all and life will most likely never be even as good as they had it before they got greedy. I’m just blown away by the magnitude of the serious consequences of greed for so many. I wonder how long until you stop waking up every day beating yourself up over being sooooo double stupid on a stick.

 
 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-04-27 09:16:36

Wisconin takes a long time to process it’s forecloses to completion. I read somewhere almost 300 days. The states residents also have a high rate of HEW. Bank servicers, lenders and owners can play for some time using inhouse RE agents, auctions and shorts to delay the final outcome. The should be no doubt that real pain will be coming but there will be a lag time.

Comment by mikey
2008-04-27 09:58:26

It’s not only the California and Florida “Investors” and flippers that have insane expectations.

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/rfs/657189081.html

THIS Wisconsin craigslist slumlord house post must be either a JOKE or the all time CLASSIC of wishful Wisconsin flipper thinking that RIVALS the GREED on both Coasts.

Hold the “open house” and send in the bulldozers:)

Comment by hip in zilker
2008-04-27 12:22:38

Awesome indeed. I’d love to attend the open house. Shall I bring a crowbar?

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Comment by Muggy
2008-04-27 08:01:27

“The average supply for the Chicagoland area’s 190 communities is about 11 months as of March”

Looks like da Bears are winnin’ dis year.

 
Comment by Muggy
2008-04-27 08:07:16

“Bartley Lofts at 745 Washington St., has sold only 31 of its 52 units.”

Lofts in Ohio? Holy Toledo!

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-27 08:21:36

There have built lofts everywhere, dude. Everywhere from Albuquerque to Zanesville.

Comment by Tim
2008-04-27 09:22:46

It’s just like living in Manhattan (except for the pros that a Manhattan lifestyle offers).

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-27 09:37:00

As someone who lives in Manhattan, these @ss-munchers take the proverbial sh*tcake.

It’s not the tiny apartments that make living in Manhattan worthwhile. We put up with the tiny apartments because we like the rest of the perks that the city has to offer.

This should be bleedin’ obvious to just about anyone.

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Comment by tresho
2008-04-27 08:22:46

downtown offers an amenity seldom found in the suburbs: DUI-free nightlife. ‘It’s like, ‘Oh man, I can just walk to the bar,’

-old song-

Show me the way to go home,
I’m tired and I want to go to bed!
I had a little drink about an hour ago
And it’s gone right to my head

No matter where I roam,
On land or sea or foam,
You can always hear me singing this song,
Show me the way to go home.

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-04-27 10:18:51

I had never heard that song until the ‘Jaws’ movie, the fourth one? With the salty old sailor guy who gets munched.
A good song.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-27 08:23:20

Wells Fargo gets blown out of the housing bubble water, in Iowa?

Imagine how their investments in bubblier locales are faring?

The slow-burn fuses are well and truly lit, as they spark their way towards corporate bankingdom’s barrels of explosive loans…

“Iowa’s largest home builder, Regency Cos. of Des Moines, has laid off the entire staff of its home building business and left behind 300 homes that lenders and buyers will now have to sell or finish. Jamie Myers, president of Regency, said it became impossible for the company to continue after a lending agreement with Wells Fargo & Co. ended in December without a renewal.

 
Comment by Blano
2008-04-27 08:25:11

From the Detroit News article:

“Real estate agents hope to sell Grewe’s and nearly 2,100 other Metro Detroit homes…..”

“Organizers of the Big Open House expect HUNDREDS of prospective home buyers to tour homes and jumpstart the regional housing market, devastated by the foreclosure crisis.”

Either someone misspoke, or that doesn’t sound like much of a turnout.

 
Comment by Blano
2008-04-27 08:33:31

“For others, downtown offers an amenity seldom found in the suburbs: DUI-free nightlife. ‘It’s like, ‘Oh man, I can just walk to the bar,’ said Ryan Agee, property manager for Museum Place apartments.”

Too funny. Has to be a kid.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-04-27 09:04:32

If that ain’t rock solid community planning, I don’t what is. Urban playgrounds for the eternally youthful - as soon as CONgress gets around to passing “age controls” next session.

 
Comment by Michael Fink
2008-04-27 09:58:26

I’ve posted this several times before that the only real “end users” of many of these condos built in 2nd/3rd tier cities are young people/college kids looking to party. That’s one of the reasons that I lived there, it was a really great time… However, it got a little old when I realized that I was the only person my age who lived there (and toward the end, just the only person who lived there at all).

The end users for these new downtown condos are not the “boomers” with their millions (laf) in the bank. It’s the 25 to 35 year olds who likely are making 20-50K a year. Good luck sticking that salary into anything more then a 100K condo, especially when you add in all the fees (and the need to go out in these trendy locations, with all the 20 dollar martinis you can drink)..

Totally flawed business model; the bar need to get cheaper, and the condos need to mostly become rentals or fall to 30% of their peak prices. There is NO end user demand…

Comment by OriginalFrank
2008-04-28 06:27:32

“Totally flawed business model; the bar need to get cheaper, and the condos need to mostly become rentals or fall to 30% of their peak prices.”

In other words, things need to go back to the situation as it mostly was before the condos were built, upscale eateries and bars opened, etc. In many/most inner-cities not all that long ago, there were plenty of rentals at low/moderate cost, and plenty of greasy spoons where a renter with a low budget could eat. Pretty funny that the future looks a lot like the past, but very different from the present…

 
 
 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-04-27 08:34:11

If already posted, oh well. But here we go ahead in California. Up, up up in a flame of smoke. Down, down, down go the structures in a lot of places. How long will this go on before someone (like Arnold) gets it. You don’t build in firezones? What will it be like when we get to the end of the fire year (Oct or so)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080427/ap_on_re_us/socal_wildfires

Comment by Paul in Jax
2008-04-27 09:38:36

“You don’t build in firezones?”

Er, isn’t that most of California south and east of Mendocino?

 
 
Comment by vmaxer
2008-04-27 08:38:01

“Couch noted both of one recent day’s opening bids were well below their respective bank debts — about $30,000 less in one case.”

Biding below the opening bid may be a good tactic for auction buyers. When they open with say $300,000 and the room is silent, shout out $200,000. They may not be willing to accept it at that moment, but it’s sending a clear message to the sellers where the market is. After enough of this they’ll get the message.

Comment by Neil
2008-04-27 08:50:25

Vmaxer,

I seem to be replying to you a bunch today! How long have you been on the HBB?

One nitpick, shout out something very low ball to scare them into thinking that is where the market is. Who knows. You might get the home for that value. e.g., $100k!

I see an area where I believe six speculative MANSIONS (not McMansions) will go up for auction. I’ve decided to go to the auction and bid 8 cents on the dollar. Bwaaa haaa ha! And yes, if I win the auction, I can then afford the maintenance of the home (due to the lack of a mortgage). :) That maintenance (per year) will be more than my current rent! I don’t expect to win… but why not try? Besides, I really like the idea of his and her garages. ;)

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by vmaxer
2008-04-27 09:24:37

Neil,

I been here since early 2005. I don’t post much, like Professor Bear (aka Getstucco). I do try to come up with something, occasionally, that might spur some discussion. I’m one of the many who found this blog because the insanity going on in the real estate was making me question my own sanity.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-27 09:44:15

Yeah, that’s how it always starts, doesn’t it? :-D

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Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-04-27 08:43:03

des moines ? they should be rolling in corn $.

Comment by desertdweller
2008-04-27 15:12:53

Monsanto.

Vanity Fair -good article on corn, monsanto and all the wreckage it is putting on farmers etc.
Can you say Monopoly, globally? Monsanto Monopoly.

 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-04-27 08:44:14

the constant position of the left
people good , companies bad
‘These are people who had good credit and they took pride in that, and they all got hooked,’ he said.”

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-27 08:45:56

If you build it, they’ll come…

Field of American Dreams, version 2.0

“Downtown investors once held hopes for the 2002 opening of Fifth Third Field, home of the Triple-A Mud Hens. There was talk of how the new ballpark would help lure a ‘critical mass’ of people whose dollars would then support a host of new amenities such as cafes and restaurants. Those new businesses, the theory goes, in turn would attract more people to set up residence downtown.”

Comment by Neil
2008-04-27 09:17:50

Some cities have fun downtowns. Some… lack amenities.

For example, DC is building about 1/3rd of the condos where people want to live. Overpriced… but long term viable. 2/3rds of the condos are white elephants…

For LA, they FINALLY have a supermarket downtown. On in the region around the staples center is it possible to be long term viable. However, due to the proximity of skid row… I don’t think any condo will be viable.

As to all the small towns getting condos… why? The money should have been spent on bus terminals, light rail, and nuclear power plants. At least that would be getting us through $118/bbl oil. ;)

Condos need to be within 3 blocks of 90% of required amenities to survive. In NYC, very viable! My Realtor ™ relative in NYC has within 3 blocks six restaurants (two with fun bars, two have great breakfast ‘walk away’ menus), three markets, her hair stylist, and a drug store. That’s Manhattan. Until other areas can offer half that level of amenities… They need to realize they won’t be the next Manhattan.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-04-27 08:53:11

“His four-bedroom home at $258,000 has drawn serious interest from about three couples, he said.”

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades - this dude better get down to brass tacks and call up those “seriously interested” couples and get the deal done.

Comment by Neil
2008-04-27 09:26:57

lol

Its like a teenage boy bragging about ‘almost hitting a home run’ with three different girls… and that FB’s statement sounds just as pathetic.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by Nat6929
2008-04-27 09:06:53

“When you were in markets like the Fox Cities or Dane County where the property values were going up 10 or 15 percent a year, the prices of those mortgages probably didn’t seem out of line,’ he said. . . . The debt grew to more than $100,000 while he made the scheduled monthly payments, he said. ‘Now I’m 58, and I’m having to start all over again,’ he said, adding that he doesn’t know if he will lose his present home or not. . . . A handmade for-sale sign sprouts from his home’s lawn, advertising his willingness to cut his losses. ‘No money down,’ the sign said.”

Let me understand this: (i) housing, which historically goes up only 5% a year or so goes up over 10% a year a few times in a row and that signals a good time to buy rather than sell, (ii) his principal nut was growing while he was making regularly scheduled payments indicating he had an interest only mortgage in his late 50’s, and (iii) and he wants to finance the sale of his himself by attracting buyers who cant afford to put down any cash.”

You have to be making this stuff up Ben. No one that ignorant would ever be given a loan.

Comment by Tim
2008-04-27 09:30:06

Nat you must have been educated more than ten years ago. Economics was rewritten in 1998. In response to your points (i) in today’s markets its all about momentum, fundamentals are irrelevant, (ii) only suckers pay principal, its all about getting in and out fast with no cash when you are climbing the property ladder, and (iii) he probably already has foreign investors lined up willing to buy the note at par.

Do you understand now?

I wish I did.

 
Comment by mikey
2008-04-27 11:04:44

Hey!..Easy on this guy or his cheesehead hat and bratwurst will be drooping at this Fall’s opening Packer game:)

 
 
Comment by Fidelus
2008-04-27 09:19:38

‘It’s like, ‘Oh man, I can just walk to the bar,’ said Ryan Agee, property manager for Museum Place apartments.”

Aim for the stars, isn’t that the life everyone wants? Egads!

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-27 09:30:59

“Fox Valley Home Buyers owner Jim Couch, who began buying, fixing and reselling repossessed homes about a decade ago, said he has noticed few other third-party bidders at the sheriff’s sales in Outagamie County since the year began.”

Third-party bidders in bonafide auctions like this, are the lubricant of real estate, jobbers that fill in the cracks of unsold homes, traditionally.

Every similar auction we read about across the country, sounds the same.

The auctioneer also doubles as the audience, as apathy reigns…

 
Comment by ec3
2008-04-27 09:42:46

>> “Falbisaner said sellers are no longer in the driver’s seat. ‘I don’t think the market is going to change at all until sellers are willing to accept the fact that their homes are (not going to sell) at their perceived value,’ she said. ‘Right now, they want top dollar for their house — and buyers are not paying it.’”

“Asked is she saw a turnaround anytime soon, Falbisaner said, ‘No. How do you like that for optimism?’”

That–that, that–is the reason these things take decades to turn around, not mere years.

Remember how Greenspan wanted to avoid deflation at all costs? Here it is–and it hit the most illiquid and expensive part of the economy.

 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-04-27 10:55:39

I’ve decided to go to the auction and bid 8 cents on the dollar

Neil, try 2 cents on the dollar. Will be more funny.

 
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Comment by joe
2008-04-27 11:22:31

This might sound kind of cold, but I don’t feel sorry for any of the losses resulting from the housing crisis whether it is overstretched homeowners, the home builders, the banks or the mortgage investors. It’s all about greed; people gambled that housing prices would go up (or at least a bigger sucker could be found) and they lost. It’s no different than the tech bubble in terms of greed; seems like everybody just piled in. I remember reading numerous stories on CNN about regular people and their plans to become rich simply by leveraging real estate (for the record, I hate reading about how people can get rich with little effort or talent). It all seemed so simple at the time…I hope they revisit these stories (as they often do) to see how these people’s get rich plans have panned out. For the sub-prime mortgagee who put nothing down to buy a house, this represented an excellent investment opportunity. If the house goes up in price the sub-prime owner makes a load of money and used no money of his own. If the housing market drops, he simply hands the keys back to the banker…heads I win, tails I don’t lose. What a great investment opportunity! I only wish there were opportunities like this in the stock market.

 
Comment by robmypro
2008-04-27 12:05:49

I must say, these stories sound a lot more like the sort of things you would be reading TOWARDS THE END of a bad recession. Seeing as we are reading all these horror stories AT THE BEGINNING of this recession, it is pretty obvious this recession is going to be brutal for a lot of people.

Buying a new home is going to be pretty far down the list for a lot of people once the recession gets into full swing.

Comment by Martin Cohen
2008-04-27 22:10:33

The people I feel sorry for are those who had a medical emergency, had inadequate or no health insurance, and had to refi of take out a heloc, and then were burned.

 
 
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