April 27, 2008

The Price Becomes Pretty Flexible In California

The North County Times reports from California. “Often heralded as a fortress of strength in a weak housing market, upper-end home prices in North County’s posh neighborhoods have started to show some cracks. In Rancho Santa Fe, mostly composed of custom homes with price tags above $2 million, it would take about 20 months to sell off all the active listings, based on three-month averages of listings and sales. Many homes in Del Mar and Carlsbad have sold for 20 percent under the original asking price, with several sellers willing to let their homes go for $1 million or more below the asking price.”

“For example, one Del Mar home sold for $2.5 million after originally posting a $4.7 million list price. ‘I think people are just getting scared,’ said Diana Williams, a real estate agent who specializes in Del Mar and Rancho Santa Fe. ‘They will set the house at a lower price so they can be sure they’re going to get rid of it.’”

“Less than a year after completing OceanLofts, a luxury, live-work complex a few blocks from the beach, the project’s developer has abandoned plans to sell the units and is recasting them as rentals.”

“‘Their sales have been really weak,’ said Kathy Baker, the city’s redevelopment manager. Baker said a few other developers, with completed or nearly completed projects, have talked with the city about doing the same.”

“‘I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if a few more come forward,’ Baker said.”

“Hamid Nikkho, who is handling the OceanLofts project for the Redwood City-based Amidi Group, denied that his company’s strategy shift was prompted by slow sales. ‘The market slowed down, but that wasn’t the purpose of changing the plan,’ he said, noting that Amidi is trying the same approach with TenTen Wilshire, a 227-unit complex in Los Angeles.”

“Not everyone knows what to think about the switch. ‘We’re not sure how this is going to affect our investment,’ said Stacey Driscoll, who purchased a loft last year.”

The Union Tribune. “Analysts say banks’ eagerness to get houses off their books even if they have to slash prices could continue to be a drag on the market for some time. ‘Remember, all of this foreclosure pain we’ve seen so far has come amid an economic backdrop that, until recently, wasn’t that bad outside of real estate,’ DataQuick analyst Andrew LePage said.”

“It’s no mystery why foreclosed properties generally sell for less than nonforeclosures, said Peter Dennehy, senior VP of Sullivan Group Real Estate Advisors in San Diego.”

“‘In general, the banks are not like homeowners hoping to make a profit,’ Dennehy said. ‘They have no interest in owning real estate, especially when they’re owning more and more of it. They’re the extreme form of a motivated seller.’”

“Agent Linda Ring has sold a number of houses in eastern Chula Vista, where many first-time buyers had stretched beyond their means to buy. The typical foreclosure house in that area is two stories with three to four bedrooms and two to three baths on a 3,000-square-foot lot. Many have upgraded kitchens, Ring said.”

“‘The banks don’t want to attract a fire sale, so they price them the same as the neighbor across the street,’ she said. ‘But once it hits the 120-day mark, the price becomes pretty flexible.’”

The LA Times. “LTV Properties Inc., the Pasadena-based real estate company…runs Repo Home Tours in the Los Angeles area. For buyers, it’s a golden chance in an imploding period. Last month, 38% of homes sold in Southern California were foreclosures, compared with 8% in March 2007, according to DataQuick.”

“The banks are so eager to unload repossessed houses that they’re discounting them at 40% to 60% below market value and selling them, generally speaking, in ‘as is’ condition.”

“David Levario, a 37-year-old construction worker from Montebello, found the tour valuable. ‘I like what they’re offering,’ he said of LTV’s listings. ‘I’m a hard-working man looking for a place for my family. I’m renting and tired of making other people money.’”

The Press Democrat. “In every corner of Sonoma County, a record number of families are losing their homes to foreclosure. But a handful of neighborhoods are being hit far, far worse than others. Three of every five foreclosures in the first quarter of 2008 occurred in Santa Rosa’s west side, Rohnert Park and Windsor, based on an analysis of records collected by DataQuick.”

“‘That’s your vulnerable place. That was entry level. The people that got in at the very end probably shouldn’t have been buying at all. They were pushing it with their loans,’ said Belinda Andrews, an agent working with dozens of homeowners who could lose their houses.”

“‘I sit there and look at data all day long, but I didn’t really notice that it was really this bad until the end of last year. It just seemed certain areas just went over the cliff,’ said Pete Deatherage of Pacific Appraisals in Rohnert Park. ‘Every once in a while I think it’s pulling back, but a week later the data shows something different.’”

“As the price of the typical home in Sonoma County peaked at $619,000 in August 2005…the typical southwest Santa Rosa house sold for $530,000, and in northwest Santa Rosa it cost $516,000. The median price in Cotati-Rohnert Park was $560,000. In Windsor, it was $610,000.”

“‘Those are the blue collar areas. They were good for people with no or low down payments, and the loans were easier to get,’ said Hans Bruhner, managing partner for a Forestville mortgage brokerage.”

“In Bellevue Ranch, a lender is trying to sell a home it foreclosed upon in December. On the same block, two owners are trying to avoid foreclosure by selling their homes for less than they owe.”

“And down the street, the owners of a fourth home must price their house to compete with the three distressed properties. They are asking $347,000, but owe $329,000 on the residence in a neighborhood where similar homes sold for about $540,000 three years ago.”

“Andrews has about 60 listings with homeowners who are behind on payments and attempting short sales. Each one bought two to three years ago with adjustable loans and now can’t afford monthly payments that jumped higher. The owners aren’t able to refinance because they owe more than the homes are currently worth.”

“‘They all have variable loans that adjusted in two to three years. They were all time bombs,’ she said.”

The San Francisco Chronicle. “As the foreclosure crisis continues, Saturday was a day of desperation, speculation and a whole lot of politicians. Virginia Quintero and her 59-year-old mother came to San Francisco’s Bayview neighborhood Saturday, hoping to save their Pacifica home from the clutches of the bank.”

“Quintero said she, her husband, five children, mother and 86-year-old grandmother all live together and share the cost of the mortgage, which has more than doubled since they bought the home four years ago. Her mother refinanced their house so she could buy out a second party and was seduced by a negative-amortization loan.”

“‘Now it’s at more than $5,000 a month and we just can’t afford that,’ Quintero said.”

“And for those who can’t hold on to their homes, there are hundreds waiting in the wings to buy them - if the price is right. The Cow Palace in Daly City was jammed with real estate speculators looking for good deals. More than 200 repossessed homes were being auctioned off.”

“Real estate agent Annette Vella-Melendez and her investor boyfriend, Abdul Karimian, were planning to watch, not bid. ‘We’ve been told that you can get really caught up in the moment,’ she said. ‘You have to really do your research, or you could wind up paying over market value.’”

“Karimian and his son, Derrick, caught the fever. Within 10 minutes the men had purchased two Vallejo homes: a four bedroom, two-bath for $147,500 and a three-bedroom, two-bath for $150,000.

“‘The deals,’ Vella-Melendez said, ‘were too good to pass up.’”

The Contra Costa Times. “More than 100,000 homeowners in Contra Costa and Alameda counties may see their property taxes fall this year as home values continue heading south.”

“‘Our review won’t begin until May,’ Alameda County Assessor Ron Thomsen said, ‘but we’re probably looking at $2 billion in assessed values being removed from the assessment rolls.’”

“While the numbers are only estimates, Contra Costa Assessor Gus Kramer said the reductions in his county will probably range from 2 percent to 20 percent. The value of many homes could fall to 2002 and 2003 levels. And in East Contra Costa, some homes may return to 1998 levels.”

“‘We’re seeing sales that indicate they should be rolled back to that level,’ Kramer said. ‘More than 50 percent of properties on sale on the open market, in Antioch particularly, are bank-owned. The banks in East County are the market-makers of real estate.’”

“The prospect of a lower property tax bill is little consolation to Ted Diaz, who purchased a 3,000-square-foot home in Pinole last year and is feeling the pressure.”

“Diaz purchased the three-bedroom, 31/2-bath home in the high-$500,000 range, he said. Today, a house identical to his in the same subdivision is selling for $499,000.”

“‘I happen to be one of those who got a bad loan,’ said Diaz, who has an adjustable-rate mortgage. ‘It’s going to cap in five months and go up about $200. I’m close to retirement age and thought this would be a good investment.’”

“‘Everything is coming down on me right now,’ he said. ‘I’m just trying to get by from day to day, and hope I make the right decisions.’”

From ABC 30. “A valley city that experienced a major housing boom is now the state leader in declining home values. The median price of a home in Los Banos dropped from $360,000 last March to just $196,000 last month.”

“Chris and Esther Ortiz’s Los Banos home has been on the market for seven months. They bought the home for $420, 000 three years ago. Now, they’re hoping to get $300,000, but even they acknowledge that may be wishful thinking.”

“‘We purchased it probably at its peak. We were on a waiting list. You had to wait for it to be available. It was pretty high,’ said Chris Ortiz.”

“‘For Sale’ signs seem to be on every street in Los Banos. Most homes are vacant, and those that do sell are going for 45% less than they did last year according to the California Association of Realtors.”

“‘It’s sad. I don’t plan on going anywhere for a while but I definitely would like to see my house go up in value again. We’ve done a lot of improvements and unfortunately for now, it doesn’t show for it,’ said homeowner Erma Catalan.”

“Danny Fialho is buying this 1900 square foot home. It’s still in escrow, but he already has renters waiting. ‘This house is selling today for half of what it sold for three years ago. So that’s why it’s an opportune time to get into the market,’ said Fialho.”

“While the rental market may be flourishing, the Ortiz’s are feeling the effects of bad timing. They’re just ready to move on. ‘It’s taken a toll on us financially. It’s not going to make it any better to hang out for two to three years to see what’s going to happen,’ said Ester Ortiz.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-04-27 11:18:01

‘the typical southwest Santa Rosa house sold for $530,000, and in northwest Santa Rosa it cost $516,000. The median price in Cotati-Rohnert Park was $560,000. In Windsor, it was $610,000.’

‘Those are the blue collar areas. They were good for people with no or low down payments, and the loans were easier to get,’ said Hans Bruhner’

California is really populated by the craziest RE people in the world.

Comment by lainvestorgirl
2008-04-27 11:20:38

Ben, I was up in Ventura last week, and I just wanted to tell you, I saved at least 200K by not pulling the trigger, mainly from following your website the past 4-5 years. THANK YOU.

Comment by az_lender
2008-04-27 17:58:34

LAIG, we all congratulate you — some of us had the idea you were more bullish than you ought to have been — glad you have saved your $$$ by being patient — az_lender

 
Comment by sm_landlord
2008-04-27 18:08:21

LAIG,

That’s good to hear, allow me to second az_lender.

We were getting very worried that you were about to catch a falling sword last year when you were posting those bits about “bargains” in Ventura. Venco is about as vulnerable as it gets to the sort of insanity that Ben has been tracking here for the last (4, 5???) years. Glad you held out, and I’m sure you’ll find some worthwhile investment deals in the next few years. But not yet… :-)

 
Comment by peter m
2008-04-27 22:42:08

“Ben, I was up in Ventura last week, and I just wanted to tell you, I saved at least 200K by not pulling the trigger, mainly from following your website the past 4-5 years. THANK YOU.”

CAR data for march 2008 shows Ventura county fell from august 2006 peak of $711,115 to $504,210 for SF detached homes . That is a -29.10% YOY decline or -$206,905 in dollars

Another -30 or 40 % more to go till average prices are down to less than $300,000. Then Ventura is correctly priced.

Ventura county( if u subtract oxnard) is overall a clean spacious county but the issue will be jobs and the economy. Ventura will be hard hit or is already getting hard hit during this current recessionary economic collapse. The hi-paying sectors just aren’t there with the downsizings of Amgen and Countryfried. Commute times are 1.5 hrs on a good day into LA and westside but lots of LA workers will be seeking bargains in the collapsing SFV at under $300,000 or even in areas closer to LA jobs center.

 
 
Comment by Blano
2008-04-27 12:55:03

“Those are the blue collar areas.”

Once again…….OMYFREAKINGGOD THAT’S INSANE.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-27 13:28:29

Santa Rosa median household income is about $51K… ($54K Calif statewide) There’s your blue collar average citizens.

But a 10-1 loan/income ratio, with no down? It aint the people who exhibited uncharacteristicly high levels of craziness.. it is (or was) the lenders.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-04-27 15:02:38

If you call used home sellers “RE people,” they might take umbrage.

 
Comment by srlurker
2008-04-27 16:15:18

SR is crashing big time. As usual, this news story is misleading. The repos aren’t just in the bad neighborhoods; just last week a 4/3, 2200 sqft, 1/4 acre repo in a very nice neighborhood (the Junior College district) went on the market for $450k; some FB bought it for $600+k less than two years ago and lost it w/n a year. Same neighborhood where crappy 2/1’s were going for $550k a few years ago. Prices (based on sales of the SAME house) have gone down 30% in two years.

I don’t know about SF, but outlying Bay Area locales are going to see at least a 50% decline.

Comment by WhatOnceWas
2008-04-27 16:44:11

I have friends in the Sr area and watched the house on the corner go from 550K to $450 to 425K with still no lookers. Even the Press Dem stopped adding the comments section on their articles. After the dot-com bust most of any high paying jobs left,and many were counting on the property appreciation…no more

 
Comment by sm_landlord
2008-04-27 18:27:55

Back when I lived in Sausalito (1982-84), Santa Rosa was the area where young families started out, because it was cheap. Those areas that Bruhner mentions were in fact blue-collar areas, and probably they still are. Let’s face it, not everywhere is “above average”. It just appeared that way for a few moments when the world went crazy. When this all blows over, I expect that the area will be priced appropriately for blue-collar buyers again (inflation-adjusted, of course).

California is populated by the most disingenuous RE people in the world. Yes, Santa Rosa is a blue-collar area. They were not priced reasonably for anyone during the bubble or even now, for all of the reasons that we know so well. In time, they will be again.

I’ve been on this planet for almost 53 years, and what we just witnessed was the most ridiculous bout with economic insanity I have ever witnessed, even eclipsing Lyndon Johnson’s “Guns and Butter”/”Great Society” policies that almost destroyed the dollar in the late 1960’s/early 1970’s. If you consider that it took almost 14 years to compensate for that mess, we’re actually moving through this one fairly quickly.

Now, it’s going to be interesting to see who will be the next Nixon, Carter, and Reagan. I predict that the next President will not last as long as Nixon, will not be elected to a second term, but will probably not resign, but be replaced at the next election. Somebody has to be the next Jimmy Carter before we get the economy back on a sustainable track. And that’s gonna suck.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-27 11:24:39

Deatherage, by home-icide?

“‘I sit there and look at data all day long, but I didn’t really notice that it was really this bad until the end of last year. It just seemed certain areas just went over the cliff,’ said Pete Deatherage of Pacific Appraisals in Rohnert Park. ‘Every once in a while I think it’s pulling back, but a week later the data shows something different.’”

 
Comment by mikey
2008-04-27 11:24:44

“Quintero said she, her husband, five children, mother and 86-year-old grandmother all live together and share the cost of the mortgage, which has more than doubled since they bought the home four years ago. Her mother refinanced their house so she could buy out a second party and was seduced by a negative-amortization loan.”

“‘Now it’s at more than $5,000 a month and we just can’t afford that,’ Quintero said.”

That family must not have been working for the right Strawberry Farmer :)

Comment by spike66
2008-04-27 12:35:02

Her mother refinanced their house so she could buy out a second party and was seduced by a negative-amortization loan.”

Seduced huh? Well keep your mother on a leash them. By the way, how much cash did the old girl get, and who was the “second party”?
Once again, My Weekly Reader and the second graders could do a better job with this story.

Comment by Blackbox
2008-04-27 14:52:49

Translation: Momma wanted to get rid of a family member’s part ownership of her home, and the only way she could do it was if she got a neg-amort suicide loan, and hope that prices would still be going up so she could refi in the future, and then throw it back at the second party’s face when she made a bunch of money in the ever increasing housing price market. Home prices started imploding. Thus; She is now the victim of those valentino mortgage lenders………..

Comment by Sailor
2008-04-27 16:33:41

More like grandma refinanced to get suaghter of lease, Since they already knew they were going to loose the house. Now when they walk away grandma who doesn’t work and is probably on SS will have the bad credit and not daughter. They worked the system now we get to pay for it.

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Comment by doug r
2008-04-28 08:42:13

I think that’s the winner!

 
 
Comment by anon in DC
2008-04-27 16:34:42

valentino mortgage lenders………..

Blackbox that is pretty dam funny :)

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Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-04-27 11:34:49

another gov worker headed for a raise
said Kathy Baker, the city’s redevelopment manager.
what’s a evironmental planner? anyone know

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-27 11:42:54

You plan environments, silly, what else? :-D

It’s California. You don’t ask such questions. Everyone needs to be environmentally aware, etc.

Not me. I like to club baby seals and little puppies just because I’m bored. :-)

Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-04-27 16:08:53

Baby seal might be tasty but for me nothing beats a bald eagle on rye with Russian dressing. That’s some good eating.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-27 17:19:27

Vith sum ice-cold vodka, comrade, yah?

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2008-04-27 17:43:39

Just got back from opening the floodgates so the 2-acre pond containing a week’s worth of chicken waste could drain into the nearby creek. Did I miss anything? :-)

 
 
 
 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2008-04-27 12:50:23

Someone who works to preserve shark habitats in coastal areas?

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-04-27 15:06:29

Protecting marine mammals may be a good policy for increasing the great white shark attack risk.

Comment by SaladSD
2008-04-27 16:20:45

Since 1926 there have been 8 fatalaties from shark attacks along the entire coast of California. Much better odds than stepping into your car.

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Comment by Carbonator
2008-04-27 16:40:59

Hah! There were at least that many in one year at Amity, in 1974 or 1975…

 
Comment by peter m
2008-04-27 22:57:16

“Since 1926 there have been 8 fatalaties from shark attacks along the entire coast of California. Much better odds than stepping into your car.”

The odds are really slim of a shark attack off CA coast. U have a better chance of getting stuck by lightning on a clear cloudless day or 1000 times more odds being killed by a road rage shooter on LA freeway than being killed by a great white, which i admire as the ultimate ocean carnivore attack killing machine.

The next day after the attack i took a nice swim off the Huntington beach coast I fear getting undertowed and getting swept out to sea by strong currents far more than a shark attack.

 
 
Comment by peter m
2008-04-27 23:10:25

“Protecting marine mammals may be a good policy for increasing the great white shark attack risk”

I saw a dead seal lying on the huntington beach sand this week, washed up onto the shore. I don’t know what killed it but i was actually a bit concerned about it. Usually i am blased and hardbitten about things like this as i see 100’s of run over dogs , pets, and other animals on LA roads and fwys on a weekly commute drive.

It is the natural state of nature for ocean animals & fish to be attacked and eaten by ocean carnivores but this seal looked like it had died from a disease or eating something poisonous in the water.

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Comment by LostAngels
2008-04-27 11:39:19

“Not everyone knows what to think about the switch. ‘We’re not sure how this is going to affect our investment,’ said Stacey Driscoll, who purchased a loft last year.”

I think I know - but then again I think he knows too - spiral quickly downward.

Comment by Giacomo
2008-04-27 11:46:23

“David Levario, a 37-year-old construction worker…: ‘’I’m renting and tired of making other people money.’”

Let this be a lesson to all you kids — stay in school, or you’re liable to end up with this sort of reasoning deficit.

Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-04-27 12:57:37

Sorry, school is where they indoctrinate you with all this bull-sh*t. Teach your kids to be free-thinkers, to always question authority, to make sound decisions based on sound principles, and the quickest way to crush a man’s testicles.

Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2008-04-27 13:11:53

Very good advice, especially the last one!

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Comment by bulwark
2008-04-27 20:51:46

Idiot. Testicles are what made this country and what will keep it free.

 
Comment by tresho
2008-04-27 22:15:17

That’s why some decorate their trailer hitches with fake ones.

 
Comment by bulwark
2008-04-28 06:57:34

Maybe you would prefer a rainbow flag for your hybrid.

 
 
Comment by BubbleViewer
2008-04-27 13:46:44

To quote Timothy Leary:
TFYQA
Think for yourself, question authority

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Comment by Giacomo
2008-04-27 15:56:41

I was making a *joke*, not making a comment on the educational system. Jeez, lighten up.

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Comment by Giacomo
2008-04-27 16:07:16

Okay, I see the confusion.

 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-04-27 14:11:03


’I’m renting and tired of making other people money.’

I am not sure if schools are a solution to this sort of idiotic thinking. People can talk themselves into anything they want to do and that applies to all education levels.

Jas

Comment by Sailor
2008-04-27 16:40:20

Doesn’t matter what education you have. Common sense goes a long way. Believeing what the so called expert’s have to save will screw you every time.

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Comment by Dr.Strangelove
2008-04-28 06:14:35

“I am not sure if schools are a solution to this sort of idiotic thinking.”

So true, Jas. I’ve met quite a number of asshats with quite high I.Q.’s.

DOC

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Comment by Otis Wildflower
2008-04-30 06:37:58

So true, Jas. I’ve met quite a number of asshats with quite high I.Q.’s.

Intelligence and Wisdom are different stats in D&D for a reason ;)

(Though people with intelligence can learn from others’ wisdom, most don’t have the prerequisite Socratic humility required for the exercise :p )

 
 
 
Comment by SoBay
2008-04-27 15:56:37

‘Let this be a lesson to all you kids — stay in school,’

- Here in California, they are not allowed to use the word ‘Loser’ or ‘Fail’….all the way from pre-school to college.
Our liberal US Senators and the ACLU have insured that little Brandon and Caitlin are never to feel as though life is anything but good and that they are entitled to everything Apple can offer.

Comment by SaladSD
2008-04-27 16:37:31

what about the parents? some mother sued the ballet company because her chunky daughter didn’t make the cut. I think parents–of both political persuasions–wailing to administrators that poor Johnny can’t get an F are driving this issue.

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Comment by Giacomo
2008-04-27 16:53:01

“‘Let this be a lesson to all you kids — stay in school,’

It’s a joke — it’s a tired cliche — get it?? Okay, not a good joke, I see that now.
I guess a lot of people needed to rant about the school system, so be it.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-27 17:21:39

You must one of the chunky ones then. :-D

 
Comment by catspit1
2008-04-27 20:31:50

yeah i remember 8th grade where i went to school in the midwest (quite some time ago…), and the things my kid is studying in school look like rocket science to me–the math and science parts anyway. Good thing we don’t pay for any of it since we are Renters… er, Newport-Mesa system don’cha know…

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2008-04-27 18:03:52

I have to agree with SoBay in perceiving Calif grads as somehow less educated than those with similar degrees from elsewhere (esp East Coast). Sorry if this is an irrational prejudice; it FEELS as if it’s based on a multitude of small observations.

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Comment by are they crazy
2008-04-27 20:31:41

According to my scorecard, it appears there were a whole lot of east coast highly educated so called experts that are now saying they had no idea this would happen. Obviously the location and level of education doesn’t determine level of stupidity.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-27 11:39:26

Haven’t talked about the drought situation in California, in awhile…

So Cal looks to be ground zero.

The Sierra snowpack was ok, but it stopped snowing in late Feb, and we’ve had a series of temps in the high 80’s-90’s that have melted off a bunch of it, just like the climate change models, said it would do.

The ruling on a red herring (Delta Smelt)last year, was just a clever way for the northern part of the state to gerrymander a precious commodity their way, as So Cal is now getting 30% less water from the California Delta.

There is talk of even less water going southwards, to protect what’s left of the Chinook Salmon run…
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Here’s a good article on the many woes of water, down under in the Golden State.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_9069633

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-04-27 14:23:31

So what effect will a long term drought have on the economy in general and real estate in particular (independent of the credit/housing bubble)?

Additional pressure on So Cal comes from AZ and NV, as well as No Cal. I’m leaving out the minor players, of course.

Just like tar sands becoming cheaper because of skyrocketing oil, I wonder if desalination will be considered economical in the near future?

Comment by Sailor
2008-04-27 16:45:33

“I wonder if desalination will be considered economical in the near future?”

Maybe they will think about it when water hits 5 bucks a bottle.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-27 17:12:22

it aint gonna happen.. the Clean Water Act denies the use of most economically viable sources of ocean water (those which are close to coastal power plants). And then you’ve got the problem of disposal of the mountains of crap left over when the water is taken out.

Right now it costs only about 50 cents to desalinate one cubic meter of water (about 260 gallons), of which probably 45 cents is for energy input. Compared to rainfall or a nearby creek, that’s expensive as hell.
And unless salty or clean water transportation costs are virtually nill, widespread desalination will remain a daydream, imo.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-27 17:23:53

Surely they can just import Fiji water, no?

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Comment by OperationNorthwoods
2008-04-27 22:53:18

That’s assuming the US doesn’t resemble a central African country by then. Zimbabwe isn’t importing much Fiji water, I hear.

 
 
 
Comment by Otis Wildflower
2008-04-30 06:46:58

Just like tar sands becoming cheaper because of skyrocketing oil, I wonder if desalination will be considered economical in the near future?

Well, if folks weren’t so superstitious about evil bad n00cular, desalinization and gasoline manufacture from thin air and water would be PERFECT applications for pebble-bed modular reactors.. IIRC they can be used profitably with thorium…

 
 
Comment by DiplomatBob
2008-04-27 16:22:29

Gerrymander a precious commodity? Or–preserve the delta ecosystem from the ravages of people who could care less about the amount of water they use and the destruction it causes?

Comment by DaveBro in SonomaCo
2008-04-27 21:48:18

Yeah, seems to me that sending water 300 miles south is the definition of gerrymandering.

 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2008-04-27 16:37:58

“and we’ve had a series of temps in the high 80’s-90’s that have melted off a bunch of it, just like the climate change models, said it would do.”

February and March were both slightly below average for the last 100+ years of weather-keeping in the U.S.:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html

April looks likely to make it three in a row, despite a warmer-than-normal California.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-27 18:33:56

Averages tell you just enough to jump to conclusions…

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-27 11:50:38

tick tock, tick talk, tick walk

“‘They all have variable loans that adjusted in two to three years. They were all time bombs,’ she said.”

 
Comment by mikey
2008-04-27 12:10:01

Sheesh…Those Californians want it all.. cheap cliffside oceanfront McMansions, Rodeo Drive, Eternal Sunshine, Paris Hilton…and NOW …drinking water :)

Comment by Jerry D
2008-04-27 16:48:24

They got the money and their credit cards. O, the good life in California.

 
 
Comment by robmypro
2008-04-27 12:14:53

Greenspan, Bush to blame for U.S. crisis: Stiglitz

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and the government of President George W. Bush were to blame for the U.S. financial crisis, Nobel laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz said in a magazine interview.

Of course he is 100% correct.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080427/ts_nm/stiglitz_dc;_ylt=AicZLkxqB07ramMxIzIraskDW7oF

Comment by Suspicious 2
2008-04-27 15:28:43

More than just responsible. They and thier Financial Services buddies set us all up!! All of us here are familiar with the mirad of toxic home loans, but don’t forget the payday loans, credit cards to college students (some with no job), easy car loans, home furnishings with nothing down, etc.

What did Bush say after 9-11 when the American people wanted to help and do something… He said …”go shopping.”

Look at all the advertisements and other main stream media pressure to mass consume. Look at the huge, I mean really HUGE, Gov deficits !!! The largest in this countries history. The total national debt has about doubled since Bush has been in office I’m not just blaming Republicans, both parties are pretty much the same).

Some of us didn’t fall into the trap (the largest credit bubble in history), but all of us will be affected.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-27 16:02:05

main stream media pressure ??
Govt deficits?? (only Congress allocates money)
both parties are pretty much the same??
Financial Services buddies ??
Some of us didn’t fall into the trap??
The myriad examples of easy loans approved by idiotic lenders??

I thought you were agreeing that the blame could be laid squarely on the Masters of the Universe (aka Bush/Greenspan) alone, when we were commanded to “go shopping” …but evidently there was more to it.

Comment by measton
2008-04-27 19:33:32

Federal deficit has gone from 4 + trillion to over 9 trillion since 2001. Cheney is the only president or vp ever to say deficits don’t matter. All politicians overspend, but the current administration with the helping hand of congress has really out done all others. Remember there was not one veto of a spending bill during the first few years. The costs of the medicare prescription drug plan was hidden from congress, and the costs of the Iraq war are hidden, they are left out of the pentagons budget and are dribbled in with supplemental spending bills.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-27 22:25:10

not one veto of a spending bill during the first few years..

Why should the President need to veto any spending bill in the first place?

Could it be that our reps actually represent our desires and we (The Collective) demand to have things that cost more than we can afford? .. that WE are selfish, drunken spendthrifts when it comes to tax revenues? .. that we want spending to be focused on the things that advantage us personally, and everything else can go screw itself?
(People who have no money, stocks, property or investments can safely ignore this discussion.. your opinion has been pre-determined and noted.)

I really try to make it a point to never dis the American people.. but there’s a deep and widespread lack of desire to take any personal responsibility in this country.

 
Comment by Otis Wildflower
2008-04-30 06:55:31

What’s this we s–t Kemosabe?

Seriously though, this is the end result of direct democracy (IMO the changeover to direct election of senators has done more to damage government than almost any other tweak to the founding fathers’ intent). And if the minority of voters are thrifty and conscientious, then they just have to suck it up and suffer the tyranny of the majority, until the reality of mathematics and finance kick in.

In smaller scale, this is what happens within states, the inmates take over the asylum, and the more rational and responsible folks move to states in which it hasn’t happened yet. But where are you going to move when you leave the US to get away from these idiots? What adequately-civilized country does _not_ have this problem? And will they take you as a refugee?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Wickedheart
2008-04-27 12:14:53

“‘The banks don’t want to attract a fire sale, so they price them the same as the neighbor across the street,’ she said. ‘But once it hits the 120-day mark, the price becomes pretty flexible.’”

That is not what I am seeing here in my neighborhood and the surrounding areas. The bank owned properties are being priced very,very aggressively.

Comment by Ernst Blofeld
2008-04-27 12:43:52

I think there’s been a major change in the attitude of the banks in the last six months. They’re willing to deal on REO properties. From what I hear they’re too slow on short sales, but honestly at this point you’re just better off waiting for something to fall into foreclosure. The owners aren’t going to keep the house anyway.

Comment by SDGreg
2008-04-27 13:24:35

A short sale can be advantageous to the lender to the extent it gets them more money sooner (a plus in a declining market), keeps the house occupied longer (less chance for damage/decay), and saves them the time and cost of selling the house. Perhaps it’s the complicating factor of dealing with multiple investors that’s limiting short sales.

That lenders are increasingly aggressive in selling foreclosed properties is tacit acknowledgment that prices are going to fall quite a lot and will be slow to recover. There is no advantage to waiting to sell. The theater is on fire and they’re trying to get to the exits first.

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2008-04-27 13:29:29

I agree with you on waiting till it falls into foreclosure. You are going to get a much better deal. The second is totally wiped out in foreclosure so you’re lookin’ at a 20% reduction right off the bat. Not exactly chump change on a half million dollar house. Then the bank usually prices the property about 50k less than they purchased it back for.

The banks have been pretty aggressive for some time here not just the last 6 months. Foreclosures in my neighborhood are usually priced between $339k to $369k. They have multiple bids and go for about 10k to 20k over asking.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-27 13:59:39

How can we presume that foreclosure means the loan is underwater and that there’s no equity? All you gotta do is miss payments and they take the house, even if there’s tons of equity. And the second mortgage along with other liens, if they exists, can often be paid from the proceeds of the sale.

I think that the large majority of homes the banks are now trying to sell are NOT short sales. Short sales book a loss, and banks don’t want to do that.
They do want to sell homes that cover the loans. These are most probably falling knives. We may know that but the GF who qualifies doesn’t know it.

Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-04-27 16:12:57

If there was significant equity the owner would have sold and walked away with cash. At best, for the bank, is that the gross equity equals transaction costs (sales commission, transfer taxes, settlement charges, buyer costs - if customary).

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-27 16:36:24

In normal times, yes. Someone with equity who needs money to pay the mortgage just gets a HELOC or a refi or some kinda side loan.. Or they just sell out. But these aren’t normal times and these options are denied.
Prices are falling like a rock. No home has a known quantity of equity. All property is experiencing devaluation.

If you get sick or lose a job or have any sort of RE-related financial problems in this market/economy, nobody is going to help you.. you’re boned. The bank will foreclose and hunt for a GF who’ll qualify for very safe loan requirements.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Sailor
2008-04-27 16:51:23

The problem is very; very aggressive still isn’t good enough. No matter what part you live in.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-27 12:28:16

Prices are in the toilet…

“A valley city that experienced a major housing boom is now the state leader in declining home values. The median price of a home in Los Banos dropped from $360,000 last March to just $196,000 last month.”

Comment by Neil
2008-04-27 15:10:33

Wow. I haven’t heard about Los Banos in a while… I’d bet there is a huge abandoned housing issue there.

Got popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Muggy
2008-04-27 17:24:46

“Prices are in the toilet…”

Los Banos. WOW. LMFAO. What can I say? Housing has gone to $hit.

 
 
 
Comment by onid74
2008-04-27 12:47:56

I was looking at renting a place in Sorrento Valley(just north of San Diego). I was talking with the rental lady and she asked me why I’m moving. I said my current landlord is trying to short sale the place and I’m tired of realtors looking at the place. Then she says, “Yeah, I wish I could walk away from my place”. She lives up in Oceanside and the current foreclosed housing around her are selling for $100K less than what she paid. I felt bad until she said she used to work in the mortgage industry.

 
Comment by Lenexa
2008-04-27 12:59:44

I think about the housing bubble like most others on this blog, but I am struck by what seems to be a deficient statistic - the number of months of supply:

“In Rancho Santa Fe, mostly composed of custom homes with price tags above $2 million, it would take about 20 months to sell off all the active listings, based on three-month averages of listings and sales.”

At least the author is using a three-month average. If available, a MUCH longer average would be more appropriate in most usage. The MSM seems to be perpetuating a flawed calculation methodology probably developed by Realtors ™ when things were tight (perhaps to scare buyers into buying). Are we now overstating in the opposite direction? Since lending conditions are now different from what had been prevalent since 2001, perhaps the months of supply calculation indeed fairly describes the market. But, if you’re going to start looking for a turn in the market, the supply vs. “fundemental” demand might be more instructive. I’m pretty sure we’re far from that day as well. Still, anyone building those stats?

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-04-27 13:02:41

Just how broke is the city of angles, which last month let nearly 800 government workers go?

The MTA voted Thursday to convert carpool lanes on up to 3 freeways into toll roads, making it easier for motorists to distinguish who’s who in the ongoing class struggle, as el lay is world renowned for it’s occasional shooting festivals, in transit…

Comment by peter m
2008-04-27 23:45:19

“Just how broke is the city of angles, which last month let nearly 800 government workers go?”

don’t worry they will raise fees and taxes to make uo for that deficit. My guess is they will come up with a half cents sales tax increase proposal. They wil raise parking meter/violations fees . Expect traffic tickets to go up. More red light cameras. They wil go after those wealthy westside homeowners with added taxes and fees onto existing property taxes. Expect business taxes to go up.

If u drive extensively in LA expect vigorous enforement of traffic laws and more chances of getting nabbed by the PO and more tickets written up. More police radar traps and traffic stings.
Easiest way for the city to get more revenue. Just go after the drivers wallets. Also supports the court system and the state DMV gets a cut of the action.

CA cities, county & the state run a gigantic money- making scam thru the traffic enforcement division .

 
 
Comment by takingbets
2008-04-27 13:48:21

did anyone see the following article last week? it is truly mindblowing!!!!!

UBS report on writedowns shows how not to run a bank

Analysts said some of the most disturbing passages relate to UBS’ apparent belief then that it was immune to the same problems that were facing the broader market.

“The various parties involved with the portfolio were aware of the content of the portfolio and the deterioration in the subprime markets generally. However, those persons seem to have believed that there would not be an impact on the highly rated ABS in the portfolio,” the report said.

The report also offers a clear warning sign to regulators wondering whether their attempts to forestall a systemic collapse through massive liquidity injections would pose a moral hazard, or entice others into more risk-taking.

UBS admits as much, saying specifically that its traders abandoned caution, knowing that they could always exchange their assets against government bonds as collateral at a central bank.

“Further comfort was taken from the continued acceptance of the respective assets as eligible collateral with the relevant Central Banks,” UBS says in the report.

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSL2159312420080421?sp=true

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-04-27 14:32:49

This was discussed briefly in the bits and buckets thread, and I’ve learned a lot today (thanks spike66).

Notice that the disclosures are at the behest of the Swiss regulatory authorities, and not those of the US. Since Switzerland is not part of the G7, I think that is equally noteworthy.
Thank you for the superb link…moral hazard obviously is very real, not theoretical like the government is claiming.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-04-27 15:32:48

“like the government is disclaiming.”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-04-27 14:58:19

Maybe UBS thought the Fed might be willing to take their toxic mortgage in exchange for Treasurys, thereby leaving the U.S. taxpayer holding the bag?

 
Comment by emcee
2008-04-27 15:48:31

Then the traders borrowed against those Tresurys and speculated in the commodities market, or they lent to hedge funds that speculated in the commodities market.

When Bonehead Ben is once again before the Congress, will anyone have the cajones to ask him if he’s enjoyed the food riots around the world? Or, perhaps, how high he is willing to push the price of a barrel of oil?

 
 
Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-04-27 14:09:26

“Less than a year after completing OceanLofts, a luxury, live-work complex a few blocks from the beach, the project’s developer has abandoned plans to sell the units and is recasting them as rentals.”

Those OceanLofts in O’side were starting at 800k for street level up to 1.9 for ocean view.
I went to the opening for that yuppy palace last year.
The mayor, the newspaper, the builder and the realtors were all there doing air kisses.
It has blond wood floors, metal fixtures, and lots of glass.
Parking in the basement and a rooftop party area.
I saw they were for lease three weeks ago.
I’ll find out how much the lease is and report.

Comment by hip in zilker
2008-04-27 16:38:45

what does live-work complex mean? condos with wired home offices? a complex with both housing and office units? vmu - live in a condo upstairs and make your living serving coffee in the ground floor coffeeshop?

 
Comment by Mole Man
2008-04-27 16:46:18

They appear to be quite nicely done, but not necessarily well placed. It isn’t possible to plop down a live/work community where such a thing has no roots, and a typical resident strains to pay for $250k-350k. So these are overdone. Perhaps they could be split in two?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-04-27 14:57:05

“‘Remember, all of this foreclosure pain we’ve seen so far has come amid an economic backdrop that, until recently, wasn’t that bad outside of real estate,’ DataQuick analyst Andrew LePage said.”

That is a point which is well worth remembering. In particular, foreclosures are already three times as high as they were at the worst point in the last bust, and we have not even (officially) entered a recession yet.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-04-27 15:04:38

“For example, one Del Mar home sold for $2.5 million after originally posting a $4.7 million list price. ‘I think people are just getting scared,’ said Diana Williams, a real estate agent who specializes in Del Mar and Rancho Santa Fe. ‘They will set the house at a lower price so they can be sure they’re going to get rid of it.’”

Wow — scared right out of a cool $2.2 million! That is some fear factor…

Comment by Neil
2008-04-27 15:16:13

Yes, its only fear. I’ve been told if we bloggers just had the right attitude, the downturn would be over.

/sarcasm

Seriously, its annoying that they do not get the simple concept that real estate was mal-invested and they simply cannot admit its the smart people getting out now before it gets bad. Yes… before it gets bad. From my graphs, I still thing 2009 will be year with the greatest price declines on a national basis. The exception will be those areas that by the end of this year have already plunged so much it simply isn’t possible for them to fall that far. Ugh… the damage the REIC has done is amazing.

“Buy now or be priced out forever!” I’m going to have so much fun quoting that later this year. Not yet. I want the full sarcastic impact.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Tim
2008-04-27 17:53:32

I agree next year will be the year with the steepest declines. Another year or two of lesser declines, and then flat for a few years. Outside of FL and CA the declines havent even really started.

Comment by Tim
2008-04-27 18:02:56

Id like to add that I saw What’s My House Worth today and everyone was disappointed. This is the year of “Oh sh*t, you mean prices dont always go up . . .? But my Realtor said . . . ” Next year will be the year of desperation for owners and banks. I cant wait for the orders to go out internally in the banks that they must decrease their foreclosure inventory immediately and investors no longer qualify as 20% down is mandatory.

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Comment by Neil
2008-04-27 18:05:48

Tim,

And then when everyone else is afraid to buy. We buy. :) Or more precisely, we bloggers represent a large chunk of the qualified buyers. Muti-year decline ahead. But I think after 2009 it won’t be quite as stupid to buy.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
Comment by Tim
2008-04-27 18:55:33

True. I will be happy buy cash flow properties at or below historical norms. My house fund is quite large now. It’s so fascinating that after 5 years of 10% or more of gains per year ppl were not scared to buy, but after a few years of declines they will be scared sh*tless. The masses will always be marks.

 
 
 
Comment by catspit1
2008-04-27 20:43:28

damn you are right Neil it is time to start saying that huh? I was bitching about my tax bill at work and my buddy said, You really need to buy a place for the deduction…” If only i had come back with that dammit…

Comment by Earl 288
2008-04-27 21:41:08

These dumb bastards who are forever harping about the deduction, are so stupid that they don`t realize, that for every dollar you give away in interest, you save 26 cents on your income tax.

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Comment by Conserco
2008-04-28 16:18:08

Of course, when you finally become a homeowner you’ll still be pushing for the elimination of the mortgage tax deduction, right?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-04-27 15:17:18

Median SFR List Price in Rancho Santa Fe (92067):

1/5/08 $3,899,500
4/27/08 (Today!) $3,695,000

Change = -$204,500
Pct Change = -5.2 pct
Annualized pct change (approximately) = ((3695000/3899500)^3-1)*100 = -14.9 pct

Footnote: 14.9 pct of $3.9m is real money.

Comment by SaladSD
2008-04-27 16:31:13

That’s real money, but chump change for the RSF captains of industry. Some hasbro built a 54,000 sf house, aka mini-city. WTF? note the date of the article….
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040509/news_mz1h9bighome.html

 
Comment by Tim
2008-04-27 17:31:22

Can you give us the sales price? I dont know how useful list price is.

 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-04-27 15:06:09


“And in East Contra Costa, some homes may return to 1998 levels.”

If this spreads to other areas, like L.A., we can call it California Sinking. According to Case-Shiller index, the prices have to fall 59.3% further, from the January 2008 price, to reach the December 1998 price. I believe that it is not an unreasonable target.

Jas

Comment by Neil
2008-04-27 18:12:51

Jas,

Your postings are always reasonable.

However, to see a further ~60% decline is very scary. Sometimes the numbers I read here force me to ‘wake up’ and evaluate them. I wish I could find fault with your logic this time… I’m not quite ready to join TJ and the bear in the “big D” camp. But I’m notching down what I expect to see as the standard bubble area standard of living during the darkest years.

At least I haven’t, yet, had another wake up call like when I found out there was a major bubble in Northwest Arkansas. Don’t ask me why, but that was what convinced me this was global.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
Comment by Michael Emmel
2008-04-27 22:59:00

I agree once you simply consider we have not really entered the serious recession/depression that seems to be in the cards.
Next you add in peak oil.

Finally I honestly think your still high since real salaries can decline by 50% because of the interment employment syndrome. I.e on average one of the members of a household will be laid off under employed etc. This makes their income unreliable. This forces a return close to the a reduced median salary. Say the current median is at 50k the new median may be 30k. So the median house price using 3X would be 90k. In these areas. So a 80% decline in values is not unreasonable for your standard 3/2 SFH now going for about 400k. This is about 75 dollars per square foot which although scary for CA matches up well with depressed areas in the country.
Overall the bottom seems to be in the 30-100 dollars a square foot range depending on the house. Believe it or not even though these sound insane for CA they match well with purchasing power in a depressed economy.

 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-04-27 15:15:56


‘…thought this would be a good investment.’

This belief was rampant among all education levels. Many of the better educated went for move up market to make more money in the future. They were not as leveraged as many first-time buyers but a 60% decline in home prices and job loss would push them into Walk Away line. The pain will travel from the bottom to the top. Trickle Up Poverty.

Jas

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2008-04-27 15:47:18

Palmento-
IIRC this was one of your mentions (without a video link available online at the time). Thank you for exposing universal care care success around the globe (5 countries visited).

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-04-27 16:12:54


‘This house is selling today for half of what it sold for three years ago. So that’s why it’s an opportune time to get into the market’

This house is selling today for TWICE of what it sold for three years ago. So that’s why it’s an INOPPORTUNE time to get into the market, I wonder how many people thought that in 2005.

It is amazing how people rationalize their actions. I bet we have read way too many already on HBB.

Jas

Comment by grumpy realist
2008-04-27 19:25:17

Amazing how we had the example of the whole Japanese real estate debacle and 90% of Americans thought the same thing could Never Happen To Us.

I’m actually quite happy to see all these write-downs at the banks et al. Part of the problem in Japan was the bad debts weren’t admitted to by the banks for aeons.

Comment by OperationNorthwoods
2008-04-27 22:57:19

Yes, but it remains to be seen what will occur. Japan was filthy rich and kept the zombies going. The US is practically bankrupt, so the choices look more like Argentina/USSR.

 
Comment by Bacon Haggis
2008-04-27 23:00:07

If I’m not mistaken, the collateral that was backing the Japanese loans was not marked-to-market, rather it was marked-to-model, thereby ensuring that the Japanese banks’ real losses in asset value were hidden from view - and this was what caused the “zombification” of Japanese banks. This was while the US was hounding Japan to come clean and allow banks to fail. I actually view the current US situation as very analagous to the Japanese situation. We are seeing some write-downs, but (my gut feel) is that there remain serious problems in how assets are valued at US banks. I see the Fed’s arranging of cash swaps for these dubious assets as proof that the US is not likely to take the medicine it perscribed for Japan 17 years ago.

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-27 19:26:42

you got me thinking.. regarding investing:
The stock market has been very volatile recently, as has been real estate for longer.. maybe a few years.
Isn’t volatility a clear signal to be careful and to adjust the portfolio so it’s well hedged? I’m not suggesting sell, but are times of rapid price fluctuation the time to forget about gains for a while?

Because:
Barring some black swan occurence, do flat, stable, boring markets ever suddenly decline? Or do stable markets tend to rise before they fall? Are stable markets a buy signal, whereas price instability in either direction is a clear warning?

Whether true or false, i’m sure some investment guru has already written about this.. but it’s new to me.

 
 
Comment by CharlesM
2008-04-27 20:33:38

My Spanish isn’t great, but let me see if I have this right about the town whose median sales price is already down 45%:

“Los Baños… Where Infestors Go To Take a Bath!”

 
Comment by jasper
2008-04-27 22:41:24

“The banks are so eager to unload repossessed houses that they’re discounting them at 40% to 60% below market VALUE and selling them, generally speaking, in ‘as is’ condition.”

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means”. Inigo Montoya, Princess Bride

 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-04-27 22:45:48

David Levario, a 37-year-old construction worker from Montebello, found the tour valuable. ‘I like what they’re offering,’ he said of LTV’s listings. ‘I’m a hard-working man looking for a place for my family. I’m renting and tired of making other people money.’”

He really means, “I’m willing to lose my own ass for my family. I don’t want to help anyone lose theirs.”

 
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