April 28, 2008

Too Many Houses And Not Enough Buyers

Some housing bubble news from Washington and the empty houses across the US. Bloomberg, “A record 18.6 million U.S. homes stood empty in the first quarter as lenders took possession of a growing number of properties in foreclosure. The figure is 5.7 percent higher than a year ago, when 17.6 million properties were vacant, the U.S. Census Bureau said in a report today. The vacancy rate, the share of homes empty and for sale, rose to 2.9 percent, the highest in a series that goes back to 1956.”

“About 2.3 million empty homes were for sale, compared with 2.2 million a year earlier, the report said. In addition to homes for sale, the report counted 4.1 million vacant homes that are for rent and 4.7 million that are seasonal.”

“Most foreclosures are contained in the report’s ‘other’ category, which includes homes tied up in legal proceedings as well as homes that are empty because the owner is renovating and living somewhere else, according to the Census Web site. There were 7.5 million such homes that were vacant, up from 7.3 million a year earlier, the report said.”

The Associated Press. “The national vacancy rate, including new and existing homes, has been steadily rising since mid-2005. ‘The inventory problem has not gotten any better,’ said economist Patrick Newport. Although glut-fighting home builders have reined in construction, ‘they still will have to cut back more.’”

From MarketWatch. “Families are no more likely to own their home now than they were in 2002, even with the big effort to push families with poor credit into homeownership through subprime mortgages. The percentage of homes occupied by owners ticked up to 67.9% from 67.7%, after peaking at 69.2% in 2004.”

“‘Given tight lending standards and foreclosures, we expect the homeownership rate will continue to edge lower,’ wrote Michele Meyer, an economist for Lehman Bros.’”

“The vacancy rate rose to…about 1 million more than was typical before the housing bubble burst. Analysts say the housing market won’t recover until the glut of vacant homes on the market can be worked down.”

“‘There is clearly still substantial excess housing supply that will take time to work off,’ wrote economists for Goldman Sachs. ‘We think it unlikely that prices begin to stabilize until vacancy rates start declining.’”

The St Petersburg Times from Florida. “Five hundred people turned out for the (condominium) groundbreaking in 2005, complete with spotlights, valets and a sand sculpture of the towers-to-be. All 257 units in these two 29-story towers were snatched up in 13 days, before ground was even broken.”

“But alas, this is Florida, where another boom has busted. Two-thirds of the buyers have backed out. Deals have been shredded, lawsuits filed. The developer sought bankruptcy protection after the fallout.”

“That left Johnny Foens, who kept his promise and moved into the middle of a city of 318,000 in a county of 1.1-million, in a region of 2.7-million, and found himself living in a tower nearly alone.”

“‘We’d really like to meet some couples,’ says Johnny’s girlfriend, Amanda, ‘but there’s nobody here to meet.’”

The Star Tribune from Minnesota. “The three dozen residents of the Sexton are scattered widely among the mostly vacant 123 units in the downtown Minneapolis condominium building.”

“In some cases, unit sales at the Sexton mirror the boom and bust of the condo market. One unit sold in August 2006 for $620,000 with no down payment, according to property records. It went into foreclosure nine months later and most recently was listed for sale at $109,900.”

“Its reputation as a troubled project is widely known, said Tom Melchior, a multifamily analyst. ‘[The Sexton] doesn’t come up in conversations very often, but when it does, the comment usually is something like ‘That place is really a mess,’ Melchior said.”

The News & Observer from North Carolina. “The Triangle’s traditionally robust spring home selling season began with a whimper. One problem is a rising inventory of speculative homes, those built without a buyer lined up.”

“Although overall sales are down, builders keep adding to the market glut by churning out higher-priced homes. There were 4,753 spec homes on the market in March. That’s up nearly 12 percent from a year earlier.”

“Average spec home prices were $608,822 in Orange, $434,810 in Wake, $289,091 in Durham and $249,213 in Johnston. ‘A whole lot of builders were committed to build on lots and built homes even though they had to know the market was adjusting,’ said Ross Rhudy, general manager of Ammons Pittman GMAC Real Estate. ‘A lot are gambling their house will be the one to sell.’”

The Denver Post from Colorado. “Birds fly, fish swim, and even during sharp downturns in housing, builders keep building. The result: a glut of homes on the market, an urgency for homebuilders to get the homes sold, and deals for buyers.”

“DR Horton’s Raspberry Hill community in Weld County stands alone on a prairie, just east of Interstate 25. A few dozen homes have been built and sold there, and 200 more are planned in a second-phase build-out. Sales brochures at the site advertise ‘rock bottom pricing’ of $249,900 to $299,900.”

“The ‘Wilson’ model home, with 3,114 square feet and four bedrooms, previously was $402,714, according to the builder. It is now listed at $299,000.”

“Price declines are a signal to stop thinking of homes strictly as investments, said broker Jennifer Gore. ‘Someone asked me when we would know the market had truly improved. I said, ‘When you no longer see incentives offered in advertising in the paper.’”

The Northwest Herald from Illinois. “Once part of the housing boom, McHenry County is feeling the effects of the national housing bust. The county saw a ‘very large decrease’ in the number of home sales in the last quarter of 2007, according to County Assessor Donna Mayberry.”

“‘We have a lot of supply right now,’ said Jim Haisler of the McHenry County Association of Realtors, ‘and we don’t have the demand.’”

“When Neumann Homes declared bankruptcy in October, large projects were left unfinished – or not even touched – in Wonder Lake, Lakemoor and Gilberts. ‘Nothing lasts forever. The boom was not going to last forever,’ Mayberry said.”

The Detroit News from Michigan. “Metro Detroit’s dismal residential housing market — gridlocked and stagnant amid a global mortgage loan crisis, consumer sentiment at a 26-year low and a glut of unsold and foreclosed homes — has cast a pall over local builders who only a few years ago were enjoying boom times.”

“Now, half-built subdivisions dot the region, construction workers are fleeing south and companies from family-owned shops to global firms like Pulte Homes Inc. are bracing for what could be their worst year yet.”

“Said Centex spokesman Eric Bruner: ‘We are in the middle of the worst housing market in modern history.’”

“In 2007, a paltry 5,556 permits to build new homes were filed in the nine counties that make up southeastern Michigan, according to Clawson-based Housing Consultants Inc. That was nearly half the number of permits filed in 2006 and 20,994 less than in 2004, the best year this decade.”

“Stalled subdivisions abound, a boon for companies such as Pinnacle Homes of Farmington Hills, which step in to buy unfinished subdivisions from banks and attempt to build homes for much less than just a few years ago.”

“‘I knew the market well enough to know that this was an overall downturn and one that was going to be around for a while,’ said Pinnacle executive, Howard Fingeroot, standing amid the empty lots of Kirkway Estates in Lyon Township. ‘The only way to compete with the foreclosures was to get closer to their prices.’”

“In a venture with AmTrust Bank of Cleveland, Pinnacle will build 85 houses in the 100-lot development. The homes will be from 2,800 to 3,400 square feet and will list for around $330,000, Fingeroot said.”

“The 15 homes already standing, he added, sold for more than $450,000 each just a few years ago. ‘There are still plenty of people who want to buy, and now is the time,’ Fingeroot said.”

From KFOX Las Cruces in New Mexico. “With several unsold homes on the market, builders are paying the price. ‘I think they’re going to slow down and let everything catch up. Builders aren’t building as much so it will all catch up and be fine,’ said Sean Vick, builder with From the Ground Up Design.”

“He hopes to move his homes off the market quicker. ‘It’s tough we have three houses on the ground right now for sale,’ said Vick.’

“But there’s a ray of hope. The Las Cruces Home Builders Association’s spring showcase of homes debuted this weekend inviting potential buyers.”

“‘We come from California so it’s a very different kind of real estate market. The prices here you can buy three homes for what you have to pay for one out there,’ said Dorothy Overhiser a new Las Cruces resident.”

“The Overhisers said that their four-bedroom, four-bathroom California condo, overlooking the ocean, was on the market for more than six months, but selling looks more promising in Las Cruces.”

“‘I think the market is bottoming out. This market right here wasn’t really strong to begin with. It just had good steady growth that when it backed off it didn’t back off too far,’ said Charles Overhiser.”

“Builders said they welcome anything that can help the market turn. ‘It’s an opportunity to stimulate the economy. Somebody can get bargain prices on real nice homes,’ said Michael Clifford with Team Builders.”

The New Jersey Herald. “Home foreclosures are soaring in Sussex County and throughout New Jersey, according to sobering 10-year figures provided by the state Office of Banking and Insurance.”

“Foreclosures filings in Sussex County rose by 44 percent from 2006 to 2007, and increased by 46 percent statewide. Total filings had hovered around the upper 400s and mid-500s from 1997 to 2005, before vaulting to 620 in 2006 and 892 in 2008.”

“Home prices are down about 25 percent from their the market peak in about June 2005, according to Bob Brandon of Weichert Realtors in Landing.”

“He chalks it up to a plague of overbuilding and a lack of arms-length transactions, sales in which people are ready and willing to use the home. ‘Houses never leave the market,’ he said. ‘There are too many houses and not enough buyers.’”

“Also, he said, some appraisers skewed their work to the whim of the banks and provided appraisals ‘that are way out of whack.’”

“More than ever, Sussex County residents in need of work are reeling from the specter of a foreclosure on their home, said Bill Weightman, director of the state’s job center in Franklin. ‘I’ve had men and women cry in here. This is the American Dream going south, and I don’t think it’s coming back,’ he said.”

“Several years ago, ‘Michelle’ and her mother had a successful business and acres of property in Sparta, a township known for its affluence and quality of life. But it all spiraled downward last May, when Michelle was let go. The lay-off was sudden, she said.”

“Now Michelle and her mother, who asked that their real names and other specifics of their lives not be printed, are struggling to pay their $5,500-a-month mortgage payments, not to mention buy food or the gas or bus fare needed to get to job interviews.”

“‘Nobody wants to lose their home,’ she said. ‘It’s not a beautiful mansion, but this is my mom’s hard work for many years. We don’t want to end up on the street, getting that call, ‘By the way, you can start packing.’”

“People heading toward a legal battle for their home can opt for a pre-foreclosure sale to recoup some money instead of nothing. Brandon, who has been in the real estate business for 40 years, advises them to talk to a broker, get the right price on their house and get rid of it.”

“Ben Bensley, of Andover Township, said he attends the sheriff’s sales to gauge the market, but he’s not about to bid. ‘If the price is here and the market value is here,’ said Bensley, moving his hand from high to low, ‘then why buy it? I’d say 95 percent (of the properties), if not more, go back to the bank.’”

“Mike Callanan, of East Amwell, represents numerous banks’ interests as a part-time job in Sussex and the surrounding counties. He, too, acknowledged, ‘There are no bargains.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-04-28 11:41:59

I know you guys have heard me say it, but it’s worth repeating in case some haven’t: supply and demand are very powerful forces and they are largely a function of price. When someone mentioned ’shortage of housing’ on nationwide radio show I did in 2005, I replied, why do we have overbuilding in about every metro area in the US? Why is the vacancy rate at 40 year highs (yes, it was at record levels even then)? Why are there a record number of new houses under construction and for sale?

Prices are artificially high and must come down and stay down for years for the market to find equilibrium. And there is nothing congress or anyone else can do that will change that.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-28 11:48:43

Agreed, Ben.

The builders will just build and build and build until the Apocalypse …

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-04-28 11:53:18

I mean Jeebus, if they are undercutting FORECLOSURES in Michigan, what market can’t be undermined? But if a builder can get $300k, he’s gonna take it.

‘In a venture with AmTrust Bank of Cleveland, Pinnacle will build 85 houses in the 100-lot development. The homes will be from 2,800 to 3,400 square feet and will list for around $330,000, Fingeroot said.’

The only way to compete with the foreclosures was to get closer to their prices’…The 15 homes already standing, he added, sold for more than $450,000 each just a few years ago. ‘There are still plenty of people who want to buy, and now is the time,’ Fingeroot said.’

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-28 12:04:09

And they will undercut these in a few years too. Land will get cheaper plus they will build smaller houses, etc. and keep pushing the market down.

Extraordinary, I agree, simply too breathtaking for words.

This is going to end even worse than I expected.

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Comment by palmetto
2008-04-28 12:09:15

I’m just wondering when we can get the bulldozers and backhoes going. Lord knows, we really need it around here, where we have some of those half-built, less than half occupied developments. It’s such a mess, I can’t even get my head wrapped around it.

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Comment by mikey
2008-04-28 12:31:44

If it wasn’t for those Cosco and Sam’s clubs with those darned 40lb BAGS of rice…we would have more of those Fbs starved out by now :)

 
Comment by FreedomLover
2008-04-28 13:23:17

We can use all that wood for keeping warm, when the apocalypse comes. Hopefully there will be enough berries to gather and game to hunt.

 
Comment by aqius
2008-04-28 13:35:02

” starved out by now ”

hilarious !!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-04-28 14:40:37

At least J6P will be able to find future employment bulldozing unneeded homes.

 
 
Comment by are they crazy
2008-04-28 12:51:36

Seriously? $330K houses in Cleveland? How is that going to work when they can’t even sell $20K houses and plan to bulldoze them?

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2008-04-28 15:14:07

It’s not in Cleveland–it’s in Lyon, Michigan, just west of Detroit. And we all know how Detroit is leading the new boom in real-estate! :-)

 
 
Comment by Karen
2008-04-28 12:58:27

Sounds like Pinnacle is jumping into the knife catching business. Start building your $300k homes today, and sell them next year for $225k.

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Comment by Blano
2008-04-28 13:37:12

Took the words right out of my mouth.

He assumes because they sold for 450K a few years ago that 330K is a good price. Who will buy them?? Maybe the American Axle guys who might get their wages cut from $28 an hour to $12?? That’s the trend here.

 
 
 
 
Comment by az_owner
2008-04-28 12:09:35

I almost hate to put this in writing, so as not to give any ideas to the PTB that want to resume the housing insanity of 2001 - 2005.

But one area that has not yet been really talked about is the use of legal codes and insurance standards to force the flow of inhabitants from old houses to new houses. A relatively simple change in “safety standards” could force people out of older houses and into newer (or brand new) houses, say any house built before 1950 could be condemned based on the danger of lead plumbing. As the socialists move towards “universal healthcare” this could be justified under the facade of public health - after all since the government has to pay for your health, the government gets to say whether or not your house is safe to live in, right Hillary?

Insurance companies could act faster - “we do not insure any houses built before 1978 due to the potential use of asbestos insulation”.

Suddenly whole blocks become cheap teardowns, and the residents are forced to find post-1978 housing. Already in Florida there is a big difference in the insurance cost of pre- and post- mandated roofing tiedown construction, correct?

I’m sure that if the empty housing stock hits 5 million units, some creative ways to stimulate demand will be considered. Don’t find yourself living in an older house in a so-so area unless you are self-insured and are willing to take a 5th Amendment Takings Clause case all the way to the Supremes, against possibly a Barack or Hillary DOJ that has “collectivism” as its primary guiding priciple.

Comment by Rental Watch
2008-04-28 12:22:31

It’s very easy to stimulate demand without such extremes.

Drop prices to the point where it’s cheaper to buy than to rent. It’s been like that before.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-04-28 12:22:50

(Insurance companies could act faster - “we do not insure any houses built before 1978 due to the potential use of asbestos insulation”.)

Tri-state consumer will not insure houses built before 1940. I believe this was a way to red-line older areas of NYC, as the date below which they will not insure as the housing stock in their Long Island base continues to age.

Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2008-04-28 14:11:34

If 1940 is the cut off I doubt it’s redlining. The fact is, the plumbing and electrical in those old places makes them claims waiting to happen. Carriers will take the business if the plumbing/electrical have been upgraded.

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Comment by Steve W
2008-04-28 12:24:56

Oh God that would be insane–probably 50-60% of the midwest, northeast would have to move if that was the case (including yours truly). Never say never, I know, but I have to think that’s not going to happen

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-04-28 13:20:46

A small version of this might occur in Chicago.

Watch what happens if the city council ever mandates fire sprinklers for older high rise buildings. Such a move would have profound effects on the value of many condo and apartment buildings.

Of course we can rest assured that all the pols and their families will be heavily invested in the major sprinkler contractors well beforehand - savvy investors that they are and all.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-28 13:56:00

Oy, this describes Chicago down the last detail.

Ya gotta love that town.

 
Comment by Jay_Huhman
2008-04-28 20:19:38

Chicago city fathers banned new wood construction after the Great Fire. Wood frame buildings had to be covered in brick, stone or later, stucco. This pushed cheaper wood clapboard houses (and their buyers) out of the city into the nearby suburbs of Austin, Lakeview, Rogers Park. Later these townships were pulled into Chicago.

 
 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-04-28 12:47:48

Hmmm…Barack or Hillary promising “collectivism”, or McCain “staying the course” and snoozing at the wheel.

Jebus, which is worse?

Comment by vozworth
2008-04-28 13:44:08

collectivism is much, much worse.

Ill take a-snooze-at-the-wheel every time.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-04-28 13:53:25

Four more years of the current administration.

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Comment by Malibucreek
2008-04-28 21:20:34

Wow. If you think that a DLC, corporate-shill Democrat like Hillary is espousing “collectivism,” you really need to share whatever it is you are smoking/drinking with the rest of us. And Obama’s been running to her *right* for most of this campaign.

Life under McCain: Corporations can do whatever they want.
Life under Clinton/Obama: Corporations can do almost whatever they want.

There’s your difference. Any questions?

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-04-28 13:14:18

And what would be the incentive for anyone to want to buy another dwelling if such a thing were to occur? After all, what assurance would be given to people that it would never happen again?

In a sense, however, a version of this scenario has already played out. It occurred in the middle of the last century when entire city neighborhoods were exchanged for new houses in the suburbs.

The lesson being - one should not allow their primary dwelling to become their largest (and all too often only) asset.

Comment by termite
2008-04-28 13:37:57

Think about how many rental houses would be included if that occurred and the tenants displaced. My wonderful 3/2/2 church owned, renovated in about 1960, 100 plus year old rental house would need to be destroyed.

What would the thousands of poor departed souls who are buried on three sides of me do if they could no longer protect me?

A church, by the way, is the best landlord one could ask for. The house is paid for and the taxes are at a non-profit religious owned property basis for them. I am now in my third year renting this place and every time I have asked for something the swarms of workers converge on the property. No rent increase in that time.

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Comment by navygator
2008-04-28 14:15:27

Condemning all houses built before 1950 would basically wipe out downtown Annapolis, MD! Some of those houses have been there since the 1800’s.

 
 
 
Comment by zeropointzero
2008-04-28 13:18:29

Next thing, you’ll be saying the auto industry is making cars too complex for people to service themselves, and designed to be dumped after 5 years or 10 at the most. Couldn’t possibly be true, of course. (smile)

Comment by Seattle Renter
2008-04-28 16:51:14

Wow that’s a HUGE pet peeve of mine. There are times when a technology becomes more complex because of genuine improvements, and there certainly are many over the last X number of years.

What I see though, is making things overly complex FOR NO REASON or changing things so that a special tool is required to do the work, when a common one would easily suffice.

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Comment by CHILIDOGGG
2008-04-28 15:01:56

Exactly how many judges do you need? Seven out of nine isn’t enough?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

 
Comment by Leighsong
2008-04-28 15:43:01

Hey Az,

That is a sound and well thought out probable solution (no, I don’t want to see this scenario play out either).

Truth be told, even if the prices were rational, there is TOooooo much supply.

I truely dislike the thought of those beautiful old cobblestone communities turned to ruin, expecially if they are properly updated.

Personally, I’d like to bulldoze the POSs and bring back more agricultural land! (Plant trees, whatever).

And yes, we built our Florida home waaaaaaaaaaaaaay above code and were rewarded with lower insurance premiums (survived several hurricanes with little damage).

I sure hope some political hack isn’t lurking! LOL!
Leigh

Comment by Leighsong
2008-04-28 21:18:31

Curtsey,

My editor took the day off without notice!

Sharp object to the face for spelling errors!

Lawd, help me!
Leigh :)

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Comment by SaladSD
2008-04-28 18:01:36

Lead piping, are we in ancient Rome?

Comment by caveat_emptor
2008-04-29 09:07:41

Copper pipes: lead solder.

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Comment by robmypro
2008-04-28 12:58:49

I hear you Ben, but one thing that should be factored into the equation is the fact that the asset owning class that runs this government will do anything in its power to prop up prices. So while prices should fall to find the true equilibrium, in reality the government is going to do everything possible to manipulate supply and demand, so this doesn’t happen.

They have the power to change the rules of the game. For instance, changes to tax policy that makes real estate more desirable. This has the effect of increasing demand. They can also reduce supply, by using tax payer money to subsidize the FB’s via guaranteed loans at below market rates. This reduces supply by making less homes (foreclosures) available. These are but 2 examples and the government will try anything to impact these 2 forces.

Bottom line: the assholes in DC are going to do everything possible to protect the value of the assets they own, and they don’t give a shit what it does to anyone else. And supply and demand, like everything else, will be manipulated at will to serve their ends.

Will it work? If it is anything like their response to Katrina, we all know the answer. But we aren’t talking about poor black people in a democratic city anymore. We are talking about whites losing money. It goes to the top of the list of priorities.

But all you have to do is compare the response to the two events to know which one they think is more important.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-04-28 13:28:32

‘whites losing money’

Yes, and the Masons run the world and are all powerful. What you are saying is the old line trolls posted here over and over in 2005 and 2006; that the government won’t let prices fall because they can’t. That has already be proven completely false.

In case you haven’t heard, millions of ‘whites’ have already lost billions. And you throw in the ‘but they’ll try’, to which I say, do it if you want, but it will only make the bust worse. (Also already being proven)

I don’t know what it takes to convince the conspiracy theorists, but I’ll stick with the laws of supply and demand. This isn’t bananas we are talking about, but the largest market in the world. You go ahead and bet that white supremacists will keep prices up. I’ll bet that nothing will.

Comment by lazarus
2008-04-28 13:56:50

“that the government won’t let prices fall because they can’t”

Ah, I hear the government is trying to stop summer turning into winter, and has been spending billions on this top secret project.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-04-28 16:38:14

Ben,

What, the Masons?

Damn, I thought the Trilateral Commission was behind all of this. ;)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-04-28 14:33:49

“A record 18.6 million U.S. homes stood empty in the first quarter as lenders took possession of a growing number of properties in foreclosure.”

18.6 million homes for 114 million U.S. households represents one extra home for every 6 U.S. households. Isn’t it expensive enough for each U.S. citizen (on average) to maintain a single home? Have we become so wealthy as a nation that 18.6 million households truly are sufficiently wealthy to maintain two homes? I have my serious doubts, particularly as the rate of new construction still exceeds the rate of new home purchases.

Comment by Jay_Huhman
2008-04-28 20:31:55

The second home for many friends and relatives is an unwinterized cabin in on a Michigan or Indiana lake. Note, not Lake Michigan within weekend trip range as those homes tend to be in another size/ quality class.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-04-28 14:38:50

“A record 18.6 million U.S. homes stood empty in the first quarter as lenders took possession of a growing number of properties in foreclosure.”

“About 2.3 million empty homes were for sale…”

There appears to be a gap of 16.3 million homes (18.6m - 2.3m) between those which are currently vacant and those which are currently for sale. Can anyone explain why lenders would want to hold on to 16.3 million homes, given the commonly stated view that lenders have no interest in hanging on to REO, and will sell quickly at a reduced price rather than get stucco holding on to falling knives?

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-04-28 19:23:19

Could it be that all the
bailout rumors in circulation have convinced lenders that it would be better to hang on to REO assets until
some deep-pocketed quasi-government agency takes it off their hands, rather than selling it at fire sale prices into the headwinds of a historic bust?

 
 
 
Comment by Neil
2008-04-28 11:48:43

“That left Johnny Foens, who kept his promise and moved into the middle of a city of 318,000 in a county of 1.1-million, in a region of 2.7-million, and found himself living in a tower nearly alone.”

I am legend.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by turnoutthelights
2008-04-28 12:08:44

That title’s already taken.
How ’bout ‘Condo’: The story of a lonely man and his dog ‘Dog’. Where’s John Ford when you need him?

Comment by Bubble Butt
2008-04-28 12:33:00

Omega Man.

 
Comment by cvca
2008-04-28 12:54:43

3 Days of the Condo

 
Comment by Karen
2008-04-28 13:03:17

LOL that’s great. Lots of fodder for a new horror movie. Think there’s room in the same story for an angry possessed car navigation system?

Comment by Malibucreek
2008-04-28 21:25:44

Get an agent. “Real estate speculator living alone in luxury condo as builder tries make ‘accident’ happen for insurance cash” could get sold as a horror flick in about 20 seconds here in LaLa Land. I bet this movie gets made by next February.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-28 12:12:53

What a dweeb!

That building is headed for bankruptcy. Unambiguously.

Maybe we can all pool in and pick up one of those “sweet” houses as an HBB party house, or summat.

I’ll even volunteer to cook in one of those “sweet” pretentious things, and y’all can bring the beer and the whisky.

Comment by snake charmer
2008-04-28 13:22:18

The developer already has filed for bankruptcy protection.

http://tinyurl.com/6q85s7

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-28 14:01:38

How could it not?

Just look at the size of the towers, and the dweebs livin’ in it.

$529K?!?

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Comment by Carbonator
2008-04-28 16:58:54

What floor do they live on? Just wait until the elevators break down, or are turned off for not having a current safety inspection, because no-one is paying for the body corporate fees.

Climbing all of those stairs every day will sure put a dampener on things…..

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Comment by Big Bubble Popper
2008-04-28 13:07:01

Actually, Bladerunner.

There was that guy in Bladerunner who had an entire condo building or apartment building completely to himself in LA.

Comment by sm_landlord
2008-04-28 13:20:52

Yes, the Bradbury building, no less.

Deluxe accommodations for Urban Pioneers… just watch out for the androids.

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2008-04-28 13:19:49

I can see the empty Channelside towers (Incredulous was the first to call them “Soviet”) from my office window, and I drive by them often at night. This article is the best I have seen so far on Tampa’s stupidly grandiose luxury condominium projects — several of which remain under construction as I write this — and is chock full of gems like these:

“Johnny and Amanda play kickball with his kids in the common areas when they visit. And the kids ride their scooters down empty hallways, past darkened condominiums, across carpet that doesn’t need vacuuming.”

“The pool isn’t heated. Johnny suspects it’s because there aren’t enough residents to justify the bills. He did figure out how to activate the waterfall, which pours down from Disneyfied bluffs. Still, instead of mingling beauties on lounge chairs and late-night Red Bull-and-vodka parties, the only real action on pool deck is the occasional Realtor networking social. Yay.”

The article also indicates that the couple is so bored that they have resorted to throwing food off their balcony for entertainment. Still think prices have hit bottom, Hank Fishkind?

Comment by az_owner
2008-04-28 13:55:56

Johnny and Amanda play kickball with his kids in the common areas when they visit. And the kids ride their scooters down empty hallways, past darkened condominiums, across carpet that doesn’t need vacuuming.

———————-

Made me think of that kid from “The Shining” was riding that bigwheel around the hallways of the hotel. Room 216?

Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2008-04-28 14:17:13

Haha. Maybe they can have a Redrum Happy Hour.

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Comment by SDGreg
2008-04-28 13:35:49

Living in a condo tower alone has been done before in San Diego:

http://tinyurl.com/3w4msn

“In the late 1980s, the first high-rise residential condos were built. But the 41-story towers, now renamed Harbor Club Towers, opened with only a couple of dwellers. Eventually, one owner occupied the entire building, confessing to local media that he emptied his trash naked.”

 
Comment by Curt
2008-04-28 14:36:31

Check out 39 year old Johnny’s 22 year old GF. I wouldn’t want any neighbors!

Comment by jbunniii
2008-04-28 21:19:11

You can tell that she’s already hard at work cultivating the “leatherface” look that she will sport from about 30 onward.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2008-04-28 11:49:06

“Now, half-built subdivisions dot the region, construction workers are fleeing south and companies from family-owned shops to global firms like Pulte Homes Inc. are bracing for what could be their worst year yet.”

And yet SRS is at/near a 52 week low…

 
Comment by CrackerJim
2008-04-28 11:57:37

“In some cases, unit sales at the Sexton mirror the boom and bust of the condo market. One unit sold in August 2006 for $620,000 with no down payment, according to property records. It went into foreclosure nine months later and most recently was listed for sale at $109,900.”

Should there not be some jail time for the perpetrators of this obvious fraud? I am dumbfounded that lending institutions could allow this to happen.
I think it could only occur in a scenario whereby at every point it was OPM that was at risk; the commissions and fees rolled in!

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-28 12:31:46

The property’s price could only go upwards so the buyer didn’t care.. and the lender didn’t care for the same reason. The loan was probably chopped up and sold to investors who also believed the price could only go up. The local govt made money as property tax revenues increased..
How could there be fraud when all parties involved make money?

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-04-28 12:50:44

How could there be fraud when all parties involved make money?

That’s the beauty of the Ponzi scheme…it’s an endless fountain of money, until the suckers run out.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2008-04-28 12:14:01

“Brandon, who has been in the real estate business for 40 years, advises them to talk to a broker, get the right price on their house and get rid of it.”

THEY WON’T DO IT. They will kick, bite, scream, deny, piss and moan but they won’t price at the market. Not until the financial gun is pointed at their empty skulls. Self-righteous pride is the impediment to wrapping their heads around the reality that their shacks are worth half of what they believe they are.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-04-28 12:55:56

Amen. The funny thing is that none of the buyers kicked, bit, screamed, denied, pissed or moaned when prices kept going up.

I guess it was pointless when borrowed money was virtually free…

 
Comment by Blano
2008-04-28 13:40:54

The right price for too many of them is still what they paid plus some nice percentage for profit. You’re right, they won’t do it ’til it’s forced on them.

 
Comment by jbunniii
2008-04-28 21:21:12

Either they will do it or their bank will. It’s in the bag.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2008-04-28 12:16:13

They just had a story on the local news about military families being unable to sell their homes when they get a change of orders and have to move. The reporter said that the Pentagon has no plans to offer assistance. OK, maybe some of these military families shouldn’t have bought, knowing they could get a change in orders. But, crikey, the Pentagon is so freakin’ cold in their dealings with the grunts, it just tells them to eat crap. Need health care? Eat crap. Had your limbs blowed off? Eat crap. Tired of being deployed over and over? Eat crap. I don’t agree with giving assistance to FBs, but I do think an exception needs to be made in the case of the military.

Comment by WT Economist
2008-04-28 12:28:36

Actually, the VA seems to be a pretty good health care system, and military personnel get to live off the taxpayer in exchange for doing nothing after 20 years thanks to the pension. And the military schools seem to do really well for the kids.

But aside from that, it really does seem to be “eat crap.” Looks like the grunts lost out to the defense contractors in the allotment of funds over the past eight years.

Comment by palmetto
2008-04-28 12:41:15

“the VA seems to be a pretty good health care system,”

If you don’t mind waiting six months for an appointment here in West Coast Florida. At least, that’s what a couple of former grunts tell me. As far as living off the taxpayer, if a grunt saw active duty in Vietnam or Iraq or some other hellhole, it’s Ok with me if they want to live off the taxpayer. Most of ‘em deserve it. JMO.

Comment by spike66
2008-04-28 13:16:00

“Actually, the VA seems to be a pretty good health care system”

Absolutely not true. The VA is on a very short budget list, and vets are not being treated well. Did you miss the reports last week about the VA not providing mental health care…and the memos from the VA headquarters detailing 1,000 vets a month committing suicide.Did you miss the Wash Post expose of Walter Reed army hospital and it’s “annex” with black mold, scanty supplies, and dirty kitchens. My dad, a retired colonel, insisted on going to the VA when he was ill…and this was in Buffalo, one of the best in the country, supposedly. It became very clear that their mandate for WW2 vets was to deny life-extending surgery…just drug them and wait for them to pass. We had to hire a lawyer to get him removed another hospital, and learned something very useful…the VA system is exempt from the legal protections given to all other patients in New York state hospitals. That includes following state-mandated medical protocols, standards of care, etc. Vets ought to be able to take their medical insurance to the hospitals of their choice. Luckily, we could afford to move my dad. Others are not so fortunate.
Support the vets?? Yeah, you should see how they support the vets, once their usefulness is at an end.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-04-28 13:48:15

Believe it or not, the VA will be considered the “model” for any socialized health care system proposed by the Democrats. To be fair, the VA also has the best medical records system in the country, (usually) decent outpatient care, and is one of the few hospitals in the USA without a profit motive, so there is more incentive for things to be within budget.

Canada’s hospitals are very similar to the VA in terms of administration, budgeting, and (often) even architecture. Yes, I lived in Canada for 4 years and worked at hospitals in Vancouver, Iqaluit, and Montreal so I’m not entirely talking out of my *ss.

I don’t know how to fix the country’s health care ills, but I hope we don’t wind up with a Canadian style system for sure.

 
Comment by Skip
2008-04-28 14:00:06

But all of the retired Colonel’s on FOX news said there are no problems with the VA. :-)

Tricare for life does allow for this. If you dad is retired, you should investigate. Things have most likely changed since he became retired.

 
Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2008-04-28 14:29:52

Walter Reed is not part of the VA system.

 
Comment by navygator
2008-04-28 14:34:47

My dad goes through the VA system in FL. He is not a retiree so no tricare for life. He was injured in Vietnam and if it wasn’t for the VA system he would have no health coverage at all. He has too many medical probs to qualify for anything. The VA is not perfect by any means but it is very comprehensive. He has at least one appointment a week with someone and all appointments are made about 6 months in advance. If you have to cancel, making the appointment again is a 6 mo wait. So you take the good with the bad and keep reminding yourself its free!

Now active duty health care and retiree health care is a whole other animal. We have been active duty for 14 years and have been very happy with our care. I had cancer and had to have surgery a few years ago. The military docs were amazing. I saw specialist whenever I wanted, appointments were made within a week of request and I got to stay in the hospital an extra day b/c I just wasn’t ready to go home yet. The only drawback was the hospital was 2 hours from our house (stationed at Whidbey Is NAS and hospital was Madigan Army Hosp). But every time we had to go for a visit we were reimbursed for mileage and if the appointment was before 10 am we were allowed a hotel stay. The pharmacy is also amazing. Even the kids OTC fluoride pills are provided free. I know there are some people who will receive poor care but we have been fortunate to have good care. Over the last 14 years if we have spent $1000 on health care (ins, co pay, etc) I would be surprised. In my opinion its the number one reason to consider a career in the military.

 
Comment by spike66
2008-04-28 16:54:08

Skip,
My dad has tricare, which made his decision to go to the VA emotional, not financial. He was sure they would look out for him, unlike a private hospital. As I posted, after a legal battle,we went to a private hospital.
The trick with the VA is to look at the funding…it is woefully inadequate, and all the servicemen and women returning from combat with serious injuries will require lifetime care…in no way is this reflected in current budgets.
Something north of 40k physically injured, and untold numbers with psychological issues, and the funding is just not there. Estimates are that any service person with severe burns or missing limbs will require about 2-3 million each in lifetime medical care…and of course there are the surviving vets from WW2,Korea, Vietnam, Gulf 1, etc.
And since the VA is exempt from NY state legal protections for patients, you need not just a lawyer, but to actively compare what is being offered at the VA vs. what is available at the best private hospital in your area. The differences can be stunning.
But it’s just like housing or any other service industry…you need to do the research, have legal representation, pay for outside medical consultations, and have some healthy people who stay on top of the situation on behalf of the vet, and have the funds to fight them, or to move to another hospital.
Taking the VA’s word for anything is a mistake, IMO.

 
 
Comment by CrackerJim
2008-04-28 13:20:48

“if a grunt saw active duty in Vietnam or Iraq or some other hellhole, it’s Ok with me if they want to live off the taxpayer.”

I am not a veteran but I heartily endorse this viewpoint.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-04-28 16:46:10

I am a veteran and I heartily endorse Palmetto viewpoint.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-04-28 17:00:31

I’m gonna chime in on this one. If a soldier, or an officer of my town or state, put their life out there for us, I’ll go w/o whatever it takes to take care of them and I’ll do it w/a smile and w/pride.

 
 
 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-04-28 12:36:25

military pays for moves and pays full boat on 6 month old (higher) appraisals when the house doesn’t sell- at least around here in DC area
why would anyone in mil buy, they move almost like clockwork every 30 months

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-04-28 12:48:00

Heads you win; tails the military loses.

Why would you NOT buy under these circumstances?

 
Comment by zeropointzero
2008-04-28 13:32:27

I worked in property management just out of college and had a real estate license. A few years later (1992) - between more serious jobs - I worked one summer for a ReMax agent in NoVa who specialized in military relocation sales sales. He advertised in military magazines, and sent folks a ton of info if they answered his ads. We would bring the folks in, and, knowing their price range and where they would be stationed - we would usually be able to get them to write a contract in 3 or 4 days. I was amazed - I sold 3 houses every four weeks. Unfortunately, I was on salary.

The guy I worked with was super aggressive - he rebated $1,000 to purchasers at closing (decorating allowance) and sold their houses later for a 4% fee - (3% co-op). One of the sharpest people I ever worked for, and really some of the most effective work I’ve ever done — the clients loved you because you were really taking care of them and streamlining the process for them in the course of 3 or 4 days. We did know the areas, we knew the commutes, schools, and what kinds of neighborhoods our demographic liked.

The thing is - he was good at quaifying the folks we worked with — honestly - the only person I didn’t sell to successfully that summer went out and looked at a new home development on his own. But, yeah - at least back then - military folks with families were aggressive home-buyers.

 
Comment by Gatorfan
2008-04-28 14:06:41

Taxme…

The military does pay for moving household items from one duty station to another, but I never once heard of the DoD paying for homes that will not sell.

Do you have any proof or links that the DoD is doing this in the DC area?

I have spent the last 15 years in the USAF between Active Duty and the Reserves. I have dozens of friends who have been stationed in the DC area. I even have a few that are currently major FBers.

I have a feeling this is just an urban legend, but I could be wrong.

Comment by exeter
2008-04-28 16:35:48

Careful of taxmeup’s (flatffplan) claims here. I’ve called him out on his BS more times than he’ll ever admit.

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Comment by pos
2008-04-28 14:37:31

The military guy is no different than any other FB. He wanted to make money flipping a house and he lost. I don’t want to hear people who want to excuse those for being stupid.

If the guy was going to give back the house profits he could have made back to the government, then I would consider helping him. Losing a little money is not the end of the world, this guy still has his job. In the near future (2 years out) the housing crisis will play 2nd fiddle. The unemployment will move to 1st place as the biggest problem for Americans. Losing money is bad, but losing your livelyhood is a tragedy that is far worse. Few people remember how the housing crashed during the Great Depression, everyone remembers how high the unemployment was during the Great Depression. The unemployment pain was that much greater.

Comment by Va Beyatch in Virginia Beach
2008-04-28 20:30:22

I’ve seen these military people locally trying to dump their investments on craigslist because they got orders to move. The final price of the one was $630K, and they were offering to throw in all the furniture.

Also, in my area the Base housing allowance evidentially has driven up the rental prices. All of the landlords expect constant turn over from the military, so they don’t really care about tennants because they figure they will always have fresh meat.

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Comment by WT Economist
2008-04-28 12:20:07

Don’t forget the rental vacancy rate — 10.1% in the first quarter, up from 9.6% in the fourth quarter of 2007, unchanged from 10.1% in the first quarter of 2007.

The data going back to 1960 shows zero quarters with rental vacancy in excess of 10.0% until the fourth quarter of 2003, when low interet rates starting drawing people out of rentals to for-sale housing.

The rate bottomed at an elevated 9.5% in the second quarter of 2007, but is now rising again, as houses and condos may now be becoming rentals faster than former homeowners become renters. The Bureau reports 4,063,000 units vacancy for rent, up 179,000 year-over-year.

And all this is with no evidence yet of household compression, as the number of occupied housing units still rose by 1 million. Expect that to change in a recession.

Comment by Groundhogday
2008-04-28 13:07:47

Rental firms that own their properties in Pullman, WA are starting to list their townhomes and condos on the MLS for sale. Why, I asked one agent. Vacancy rates are too high and they can’t keep them filled. This has to be happening all over the country. For rent or for sale, it doesn’t really matter. At the end of the day if you have more housing units than families to occupy them, housing costs will fall (renting AND owning).

 
 
Comment by Steve W
2008-04-28 12:30:26

That bloomberg study is truly frightening. If 2.3 million are for sale, 4.7 million are for vacation, then we still have 11.6 million homes out there vacant. OK, let’s include the 4.1 million for rent.

Then we have 7.5 million vacant homes not YET on the market. If you quadruple the selling inventory, holy cr@p there will be blood. Everywhere.

I got a taste for a milkshake now.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-04-28 12:44:29

If you quadruple the selling inventory, holy cr@p there will be blood. Everywhere.

Dude, I’m looking forward to it…

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-28 12:53:34

if i had a nickle for every vacant home there was in this country… i’d have about a million buckaroos.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-04-28 12:48:36

OMG!..If Americans stop selling houses to each other..SOMEBODY will have to get a REAL Job :)

Comment by Lisa
2008-04-28 13:30:38

“OMG!..If Americans stop selling houses to each other..SOMEBODY will have to get a REAL Job.”

Or learn how to save -);

 
 
Comment by ChrisO
2008-04-28 12:52:29

“In a venture with AmTrust Bank of Cleveland, Pinnacle will build 85 houses in the 100-lot development. The homes will be from 2,800 to 3,400 square feet and will list for around $330,000, Fingeroot said.”

Given that Michigan is an economic catastrophe, this has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen.

Comment by palmetto
2008-04-28 12:55:56

Testify. Stupid is as stupid does with the builders and banks. You’d think they’d have gotten the message by now.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-04-28 12:59:42

They’re not getting the message because Uncle Bernanke has made sure that the fountain of endless money props up the Ponzi scheme with the full faith and credit of the US government. That is the real cancer underlying this whole disease process.

 
 
Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-04-28 14:20:30

Should have been “Pinnacle plans to custom build 85 houses for AmTrust Bank of Cleveland. When asked what the bank planned to do with 85 houses, an AmTrust representative did not respond.”

 
 
Comment by eastcoaster
2008-04-28 13:18:13

Families are no more likely to own their home now than they were in 2002, even with the big effort to push families with poor credit into homeownership through subprime mortgages. The percentage of homes occupied by owners ticked up to 67.9% from 67.7%, after peaking at 69.2% in 2004.”

So much for that great “Ownership Society” plan. This is what has killed me the whole time. All the pain that will be endured for what? So a few more percent of folk could “own” (…and then foreclose)?

Unreal.

Comment by diogenes (Tampa)
2008-04-28 13:30:11

Thank you, George Bush, for your “Vision” for America.
The ownership society.
Just give people stuff so they “own” it.
Always works great.
In reality, when people don’t “work” for stuff, it has no value to them, so they just let it go to pot.
Sort of like Public Housing in America, only now, we’ve spread the model to every neighborhood in the Nation.
Thanks, George! You’re a true visionary.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-28 13:54:02

oh please.. someone gives you a match, and you start a forest fire.. and blame it on him?

Comment by Wickedheart
2008-04-28 15:07:59

Face your boy is the worst President ever.

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Comment by exeter
2008-04-28 16:47:52

Amen WH. I’m still quite surprised there are a few losers left willing to come to his defense.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-28 17:05:26

He’s good for at least one thing, like when it comes to needing someone to blame all your problems on..

 
Comment by SaladSD
2008-04-28 18:12:49

Why shouldn’t we heap blame on him? If he had asked people to buck up, save money, contribute to the “war effort”, everyone would have done it willingly. He’s the enabler in chief, living in his own bubble world of entitlement. All hat and no cattle.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-28 19:46:59

All hat and no cattle?
From the sound of things he’s got something much better than cattle.. a herd of people who are just as weak minded but more easily driven.
Moooo…

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-28 21:22:37

exeter, I’ve given this some thought and.. well.. maybe you’re right.
After all, the American people are a simple people.. innocent, immature and fun loving creatures. They really shouldn’t be trusted with low interest rates, sharp objects or decision making. They do need to be told what’s best for them.. when to play, when and where to work, told what to buy and when to stop buying. Even the illusion of freedom would surely upset them.
And, if they don’t follow directions they should be gently disciplined and trained to obey, for the sake of their own welfare.

Guiding them along may be a thankless job that carries heavy responsibility, but there is no excuse for losing control of any situation. And I see where the blame really lies should the cute little tykes accidentally hurt themselves. No doubt, it’s the nanny’s fault.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by txchick57
2008-04-28 13:28:59

$5,500 per month for a mortgage is beyond insane. I’d have to have a guaranteed income of $2M per year before I’d take that on.

Comment by az_owner
2008-04-28 13:50:47

txchick - I don’t doubt your financial sense, but that statement reminds me of my Grandmother (born 1925, child during the depression) who reused tinfoil and plastic wrap literally 20 times before throwing it out.

At $2M per year, say 1.4 after taxes, you’re looking at almost $120k a month. $5.5k is under 5% of net income - probably what most people spend on beer and lottery tickets, or whatever vice floats their boat.

Why do I get the feeling that you buy your shoes second hand and are sitting on a lawn chair you pulled out of someone’s dumpster as you type? ;-)

Comment by Bubble Butt
2008-04-28 15:11:28

Maybe she meant guaranteed income off of $2 Million in savings?

 
 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-04-28 13:28:59

why do gov offices to “help” folks find jobs stiil exist
got net
said Bill Weightman, director of the state’s job center in Franklin. ‘I’ve had men and women cry in here”
then I go home and sleep tight knowing as a gov worker I’ll get a riase and NEVER lose my job

Comment by CHILIDOGGG
2008-04-28 15:11:04

“why do gov offices to “help” folks find jobs stiil exist”

Indeed.

Maybe we need another 30 years of selling American assets to foreigners before we can actually see the “smaller government” we are continuously promised.

 
 
Comment by Fuzzy Bear
2008-04-28 13:36:25

“‘We’d really like to meet some couples,’ says Johnny’s girlfriend, Amanda, ‘but there’s nobody here to meet.’”

Johnny will end up losing lots of money on this condo and then his young girl friend who will be bored and looking for the next rich guy!

Comment by mikey
2008-04-28 13:53:48

Fron the Ironic Times

Recession Has Silver Lining
When economy dives, hemlines traditionally rise ;)

 
 
Comment by rex
2008-04-28 13:37:44

I found this really astonishing: (From marketwatch):
Of all housing units built for owner-occupancy since April 2000, 10.2% were vacant, up from 8.8% in the fourth quarter and 4.7% two years ago.
While the vacancy rate for single-family homes has risen to 2.5%, the most dramatic increases in vacancies have been in smaller condominium projects.
For all owner-occupied buildings with two to four housing units, 9.4% were vacant, up from 8.1% last quarter. In all owner-occupied buildings with five to nine housing units, the vacancy rate was 15.2%, up from 12.2% last quarter and double the rate of two years earlier.

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-04-28 13:57:28

wow, you might not even need a generator if the condo is not sub metered !

 
 
Comment by bangkokobserver
2008-04-28 13:52:11

From the Denver Post article:

“Real estate broker Jennifer Gore urges buyers to “get back to the emotional side of home ownership.” Price declines are a signal to stop thinking of homes strictly as investments, she said.

“Someone asked me when we would know the market had truly improved. I said, ‘When you no longer see incentives offered in advertising in the paper.’ “

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-04-28 14:27:02

And what if people are afraid of buying right now?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-04-28 14:38:03

That’s okay - fear is an emotion.

They don’t care what emotion leads people to buy, just so long as they buy something - anything - and soon! Fear, greed, insecurity…they are all perfectly valid catalysts.

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-04-28 14:05:50

From Wisconsin Milwaukee Journal..

Filings up nearly 30% as more residents succumb to mortgage crisis

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=743073

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-04-28 14:32:05

And in WI no less. Not TX, not CA, not FL.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-04-28 15:21:50

Yup..although many Wisconsinites attempt to uses cheese curds, assorted beads, deer pelts and Packer tickets for currency, we’re no different up here :)

 
Comment by Stan
2008-04-28 15:21:55

What will prices go back to in the LA area? I’ve read some say prices will go back to 1999-2000 prices, adjusted for inflation.

1. What is this forecast based on?
2. How do you calculate the price of a 1999 house + inflation?

Thanks!

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-28 18:18:12

Multiply the early 1999 price by 1999’s inflation rate.
Take that result and multiply it by year 2000’s inflation rate.
Take that result and multiply by 2001’s inflation rate, etc.
Stop when you get tired.

Forecasts are based on how often and to what degree the present and past portend the future.

 
 
Comment by Uffish Thought
2008-04-28 19:35:54

The reported average rate of inflation from 2000-2007 was ~2.8%
Here is the math: (purchase price)(1+inflation rate)^(years)
For my Dad’s retirement community house in O.C., purchased in 1999: ($85,000)(1.028)^(8)=$105,840. This compares well with the 54 identical unsold homes in his neighborhood, the lowest asking price is $127k.

 
Comment by Stan
2008-04-28 22:54:13

Sorry for having to ask this…what is the ^ in this calculation?

Thanks!

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-28 23:39:24

^ is exponent. 2^4 means 2×2x2×2
First solve the (1.028)^8 part of the equation. With a calculator lacking the ^ function, enter 1.028 and then hit x=x=x=x=x=x=x=x= (8 x and 8 = signs). Result is around $1,175.
Then multiply that result by the original value of 85K (or whatever).
The equation might be more clearly expressed as $85,000 x (1.028^8)

and hit the “Reply to this comment” at the lower right of a comment to reply to a particular comment..

Comment by Stan
2008-04-29 05:45:15

I think prices in my area were around $300k in 1999, so does this look correct:

$300,000 x (1.028^9) = 414568175519.08164

Thank you for your patience!

Comment by ozajh
2008-04-29 07:26:28

I think you have actually calculated $300,000 x (1.028^512).

Joey’s “x=” doubles the exponent on each iteration, rather than adding 1 to it, and 9 doublings is 512. The example he quotes of 1,157 looks to me like 1.028^256 rather than 1.028^8

3 doublings gives you an exponent of 8 (2×2x2), so if you don’t have the ^ function on your calculator 1.028x=x=x=x1.028= will give you an exponent of 9.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-04-29 08:31:11

you’re correct.. the x=x=x method is not right.. oh well. re-entering 1.028 everytime is too much trouble, imo.

I don’t mind skipping the math… Since we’re basically compounding inflation, a compound interest calculator will work fine.
http://math.about.com/library/blcompoundinterest.htm

 
 
 
 
Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-04-28 23:44:30

Raise to the power of.

 
 
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