May 2, 2008

It Isn’t About Location, Location, Location Anymore

The Capital Times reports from Wisconsin. “It was billed as a $100 million ‘urban village,’ a project to energize the entire east side. Union Corners promised to transform the site of a contaminated battery factory three miles from the Capitol into a mix of condominiums, offices and retail shops. But today the 15-acre site is a tangle of empty lots, broken concrete and piles of gravel along one of the city’s busiest corridors.”

“With the new housing market here at a virtual standstill, Union Corners remains on hold. ‘Things have absolutely come to a halt,’ says John DeWitt, CEO of DeWitt Real Estate Development in Madison. ‘The question is, how long can you keep sitting on this stuff? I guess the answer is until you go broke.’”

“Already, developers have put the brakes on condo projects at the Hilldale Shopping Center and near Wingra Park on Monroe Street. Phase II of Metropolitan Place downtown is unfinished and in receivership. The backlog of new and existing homes on the market remains high.”

“Bill Jackson, VP of business development at Engineered Construction, Inc. in Verona, says the slowdown is affecting everyone. ‘Nobody really wants to talk much about it, but a lot of guys are really struggling,’ he says.”

“Local real estate attorney Harvey Temkin (says) that the concept of buying a house, living in it and building up equity remains sound. The problem, he maintains, is that credit markets roared out of control and nobody stepped in to limit the damage.”

“‘This is a crisis created by Wall Street,’ he says. ‘I mean, getting calls at home at 7:30 p.m. from people trying to sell you a credit card or home equity loan, that’s where the problem is.’”

“Property taxes alone on the four parcels that make up Union Corners LLC amounted to nearly $95,000 last year, according to city real estate records. The owners are also facing some $320,000 in special assessments from the city for street, sewer and water improvements. And those figures don’t include the interest payments on undeveloped land valued at $4.4 million.”

“But (developer) Lance McGrath isn’t panicking yet. ‘Bottom line: It’s better to be holding vacant land than holding vacant buildings,’ he says.”

From WKBT.com in Wisconsin. “A housing market slowdown is happening in La Crosse County. It’s frustrating news for some people who expected to sell their homes months ago.”

“‘We listed it last September near the end of the month, and we’ve had it steady in the market since,’ said Kathy Baumgartner, a resident of Losey Boulevard.”

“Kathy and Gary Baumgartner’s house is still up for sale after at least ten showings, two open houses, and a $10,000 price cut in January. ‘We were real excited the first couple months but now that it’s been lingering on so long, we’re just kind of waiting and seeing what happens,’ said Baumgartner.”

“King Holley, president of the La Crosse Area Realtors Association, said he still considers the local housing market strong. However, after seven months of waiting, the Baumgartner’s may not agree.”

“‘I just know the market is bottomed out and I know that’s just the way things are gonna be now,’ said Gary Baumgartner. ‘We just got to kind of sit it out and see what happens.’”

“Also in La Crosse County, the number of foreclosures continue to rise. Between now and the end of June, there are 104 foreclosure auctions scheduled. At this time last year, there were 57 auctions scheduled.”

The Herald News from Illinois. “While Will County commonly comes in as one of the hardest-hit areas for foreclosures in the Chicago metro region, local Realtors still find room for optimism. ‘There are tons of listings,’ said Monica Decker, marketing director for real estate mogul Ron McColly. ‘The problem is people hear all these reports in the media, and they are afraid to purchase.’”

“Over the past year, home prices have slipped at least 10 percent, said Kathy Bulian, of the Closers Real Estate Specialists, which recently opened a new office in Minooka. Gone are the days when sellers can routinely price homes at prices 20 percent higher than the figure they would really take.”

“‘We just need some man-eaters to come out and buy these properties,’ she said. ‘I’m telling anyone and everyone to come out and buy these properties.’”

“‘We realized a downturn would happen,’ said Ed Prodehl, of Coldwell-Banker Honig Bell, speaking from a 12,000-square-foot corporate office in Joliet. ‘We just didn’t know when.’”

The Pioneer Local from Illinois. “Just a few years ago, it was common for Donna and Jeff Fishman to get a letter, or a knock on the door, from someone offering to buy their Northbrook home. In truth, it wasn’t their three-bedroom, 1 and 1/2 bathroom home that was getting the attention. It was the land.”

“But now the Fishmans are ready to sell. That once-frenzied rush to gobble up potential building sites throughout the North Shore has slowed to a more restrained real estate market. Their home, listed at $470,000 — a price tag perhaps 25 percent lower than what they could have commanded a couple of years ago — has been on the market since July.”

“For a long time, it’s been ‘location, location, location,’ Donna Fishman said. ‘But in this market, it isn’t about that anymore.’”

“For certain price points in specific North Shore communities, there does appear to be a glut. In Glenview, for example, about 120 properties priced between $1 million and $2 million are on the market, amounting to a more than 20 months’ supply based on the previous rate of sales. In Glencoe, 20 homes priced at $3 million or more are the market, reflecting a two-year supply.”

“Some builders, unable after a year or so to find a buyer for their homes, have actually taken those homes off the market and now have them occupied by renters, said John Houde, head of Glencoe’s community development division.”

“Between the purchase of the property, the costs in building a high-end North Shore home and then the escalating property tax bills, ‘a year or so (builders) can hold it, but then it becomes overwhelming,’ Houde said.”

“If the times are frustrating for builders or sellers wanting to maximize profit, the reverse may be true for renters. Elisabeth Hoff, her husband and toddler son lived with family in Wilmette until deciding recently to rent a sunny, second-story apartment in northwest Evanston.”

“Hoff, who also was investigating home purchases over that time, said renters have a lot of options available to them right now. A good number of apartments or even small homes are available for rent here for $1,500 a month or less, far less than the cost of purchasing an equivalent property, and some of those have sat for months without tenants, she noted.”

The Chicago Tribune from Illinois. “Mirroring national trends, Cook, DuPage, Kane, Lake, McHenry and Will Counties have seen a bounce in the number of borrowers at least 60 days past due on their mortgages.”

“‘It’s a clear indication that foreclosure problems are not abating,’ said Geoff Smith, research director for Chicago-based housing researcher Woodstock Institute. He was struck by DuPage’s 60-day delinquency rate, which rose from 0.82 percent to 1.73 percent in one year.”

“‘DuPage is not an area traditionally with high levels of foreclosures, and while the raw numbers are smaller, it indicates this is a spreading issue,’ Smith said. ‘Loans 60 days delinquent in the fourth quarter can become the foreclosures of the first quarter.’”

“A handful of buyers have showed up to board the 12-seat shuttle parked at Woodfield mall amid the drizzle on a recent Saturday morning. As they take their seats, the home shoppers are handed a slick binder listing the repossessed properties they will see in the next two-and-a-half hours.”

“‘Welcome to Chicagoland’s Premier Foreclosure Tour,’ it says.”

“Local real estate broker Bill Diehl is hoping the demand for bargain homes is as strong here as it is in such places as California and Florida. ‘It’s a buyers’ market. They’ve waited a long time for it,’ said Diehl.”

“‘Everybody wants to know where the people in the house went,’ Diehl tells the folks on the bus. ‘We don’t know.’”

“Dorothy Piotrowski is looking for a low-priced property, something in the $200,000 to $250,000 range, that she can quickly rent out to earn income. ‘I have two children that I want to put through college. I figure you can’t lose with real estate,’ Piotrowski said. ‘It would be my first investment. It’s a great time to buy.’”

“Mark D’Ambrosia, owner of the house next door, has stepped into his front yard for a smoke as the potential buyers troop back to the bus. Does it bother him that his subdivision is a stop on the repossessed-home tour?”

“‘As long as it’s not me, I don’t care,’ said D’Ambrosia, who bought his house in October. ‘I have a couple young kids. All we care about is getting good neighbors in.’”

The Courier News from Illinois. “The advertisement really is a sign of the times — as is the reaction to it. Foreclosure Home Bus Tour: View foreclosures on the market in Sandwich, Somonauk, Sheridan and Plano.”

“Light lunch provided after tour.”

“To the realtors and mortgage company sponsoring this tour on Saturday and Sunday, it’s another marketing tool, a way to survive in an industry hit hard by the struggling economy. Banks need to get rid of homes. Buyers and investors are looking for the best deals. Realtors and mortgage brokers need to pay their bills.”

“Problem is, for some people the ad is a slap in the face. ‘I couldn’t believe what I was reading,’ says Amanda, an Aurora mother of two who asked that her real name not be used.”

“Amanda is speaking from her own pain. She was close to losing her home until recently when she and her husband, who was laid off from his construction job six months ago, were able to work with the bank and pull it out of foreclosure.”

“‘Imagine some luxury tour bus pulling up and letting people gawk at the suffering of other people . . . and then serve lunch afterward like it’s a party,’ she said.”

The Beacon News from Illinois. “Yvette Wilkinson is trying to put a positive spin on the high number of foreclosures in this area. Wilkinson, real estate agent in Naperville, has scheduled a foreclosure bus tour, among the first in the region, for southern DuPage and northern Will counties.”

“The tour is designed to educate participants on short sales, pre-foreclosures and bank owned properties. It will include tips from a home inspector, mortgage broker, real estate attorney, contractor and appraiser. ‘That (education) is really what people are paying for,’ Wilkinson said. ‘They’re not just paying to ride around and look at houses.’”

“Wilkinson said most people whose homes have been foreclosed lost their jobs, were hit with catastrophic medical bills or had adjustable rate mortgages that adjusted beyond their budgets.”

“‘Bad things happen to good people,’ she said. ‘But we can’t do anything about that. That’s the past.’”

“What real estate agents can do is get some of the foreclosed properties sold so the banks have more money to loan out and the inventory of homes is decreased, she explained. ‘Until we get the inventory down on the market, there won’t be a lot of other people who will be able to own homes,’ she said. ‘We have to get the inventory down to get the market straightened out.’”

The Pioneer Press from Minnesota. “More than 16,400 for-sale listings have expired or been canceled in the Twin Cities during the first four months of this year as sellers face a dearth of buyers and buyers have a near-record number of houses on the market to choose from. That’s some 700 more listings than in the same period a year ago and nearly double the total for the first four months of 2005.”

“Could it be a nascent signal of a change in sentiment or bottoming out of a dismal market? Or it could be more churn.”

“There also are other reasons to pull. One of the recently expired Ramsey County listing is a Mounds View home headed to another mass foreclosure auction at the end of May. The owner of a house just blocks from White Bear Lake, facing foreclosure, recently canceled her listing after a year on the market because the clock was running out and she decided to deed the house over to the lender.”

“Some frustrated sellers just switch agents to breathe new life into their listing. Agent Kathleen Doucette said one of her clients in Vadnais Heights just canceled because they didn’t want to take her suggestion to lower the price below $300,000.”

“‘We see it a lot,’ said Doucette. ‘They’re frustrated. They see their house as better than it is.’”

“Some sellers, under water in mortgages costing more than their houses are worth, wind up taking their homes off the market because they simply can’t afford to drop the price.”

The Star Tribune from Minnesota. “The subprime mortgage fallout continues. Banks have tightened lending on even credit-worthy customers. Foreclosures are at record levels.”

“Critics blame regulators who appeared more concerned about prolonging the housing boom in 2005-2006 than they were about the bad underwriting practices that had infected the mortgage industry.”

“‘We saw evidence of this coming in 2005,’ said Andy Winton, chairman of the banking and finance department at the University of Minnesota’s Carlson School of Management. ‘Becoming vigilant when the boom becomes the bust isn’t enough.’”

“Winton and others charge that the Fed and the Securities and Exchange Commission ignored anecdotal evidence that parts of the housing market were rife with fraud.”

“‘The Fed lost sight of its role to take the punch bowl away from the party,’ Winton said last week at a forum. ‘You had newspaper articles suggesting problems. I’m not going to say I knew the housing bubble would pop in 2007, but I knew when prices turned down, some of these no-down-payment and no-documentation loans would be in trouble.’”

“Glenn Wilson, the Minnesota commerce commissioner, said the debt-rating agencies are rightfully being criticized for giving investment-grade standings to some subprime credit because they were using historical underwriting standards that did not properly take these nontraditional loans into account.”

“‘There was no underwriting, and Wall Street was buying that trash,’ Wilson said in an interview. ‘I was in the mortgage industry for 30 years and never have I seen no underwriting. You always verified Social Security numbers, income tax filings, double-check appraisals, preapprove the borrower. … None of that was being done in some cases.’”

“The state started or joined investigations that have led to prosecutions of bad brokers. But by then the damage was done.”

“Gary Stern, president of the Minneapolis Federal Reserve Bank, told the Caux Round Table forum that the Fed ‘would not claim perfection in the way we’ve done our job.’ He added that as much as 80 percent of subprime mortgages are performing. He said a few articles were not conclusive evidence in 2005 about the subprime threat to the financial system.”

“Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said in late 2005: ‘In the event of a widespread cooling in house prices, these borrowers, and the institutions that service them, could be exposed to significant losses,’ according to the Baltimore Sun.”

“But Greenspan & Co. did too little to highlight unsavory lending practices, even though Congress empowered it years ago to write rules banning ‘unfair and deceptive practices’ across a wide variety of mortgage lenders, according to the Consumer Federation of America.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-02 07:57:01

‘Gary Stern, president of the Minneapolis Federal Reserve Bank…added that as much as 80 percent of subprime mortgages are performing. He said a few articles were not conclusive evidence in 2005 about the subprime threat to the financial system.’

This is just flat incorrect. The fact is that subprime loans are defaulting at about the historic rate, just sooner than usual. The problem was going from 1 or 2% of borrowers to a majority in the bubble areas. And Greenspan was very clear in the FOMC minutes out this week that he doubted prices would ever fall. It’s pretty hard to get around how big of a mistake that was.

Then there is the fact that subprime exploded upward just as prime lending fell off in 2002-03. Does it take a PHD to see that the industry had run out of borrowers and was moving into new ‘pools’ of FBs?

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-05-02 08:03:27

“Local real estate attorney Harvey Temkin (says) that the concept of buying a house, living in it and building up equity remains sound. The problem, he maintains, is that credit markets roared out of control and nobody stepped in to limit the damage.”

NO NO NO…Nix Nix Nix…THE PROBLEM IS:
I bought a house… I’ve had it for 6 months…were the He!! is my $100,000 hard earned equity withdraw? Mom, where’s Casey? I want my exercise ball back!

Comment by Tim
2008-05-02 09:14:58

He is a licensed attorney? Price is irrelevant? Buying is always sound? Historic rates of appreciation are irrelevant without historic pricing ratios.

Comment by jerry from richardson
2008-05-02 15:25:33

He’s an attorney. Don’t take real estate advice form him

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Comment by phillygal
2008-05-02 08:17:03

REaltorette Unplugged:
Gone are the days when sellers can routinely price homes at prices 20 percent higher than the figure they would really take.”

“‘We just need some man-eaters to come out and buy these properties,’ she said. ‘I’m telling anyone and everyone to come out and buy these properties.’”

I’m so glad this slowdown is causing the Used House Salespeople to reveal themselves. Maybe, after reading these quotes, Joe6P will finally lose the respect he has for the so-called profession of selling used houses.

Comment by rally
2008-05-02 08:26:17

“maneaters”? I thought living among houses owned by specuvestors was bad but no way am I living next to cannibals.

Comment by bottomfisherman
2008-05-02 08:40:58

Yeah, I’m wondering what “maneaters” have to do with buying houses?? I guess he’s implying that one would have to be crazy to buy in this market.

Comment by Tim
2008-05-02 09:19:35

I was thinking he was referring to trying to sell in a liberal swingers’ community.

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Comment by phillygal
2008-05-02 10:01:42

There’s that, and then the fact that she admits to the grossly inflated wishing prices on the listed prices…and then they are insulted by “lowball” offers!

 
 
Comment by arroyogrande
2008-05-02 09:02:06

“Man-eater”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubsd-tWYmZw

(It was time to repost this)

“I love that house…plus the schools…They’re going to grow up…What!!?”

Brilliant actress in my opinion.

Comment by sfbayqt
2008-05-02 11:27:00

I like this one better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap-OO0xqTe4

:lol:

BayQT~

 
 
Comment by WaitingInOC
2008-05-02 12:31:57

“Man-eaters?” Is that her new euphemism for “knife-catchers?”

 
 
Comment by GD
2008-05-02 08:20:39

“I figure you can’t lose with real estate,’ Piotrowski said. ‘It would be my first investment. It’s a great time to buy.”

WOW … just WOW

Please, please, tell me my tax dollars aren’t going towards a 97% LTV FHA loan for this drone.

Comment by bungalowball
2008-05-02 09:01:15

“I figure you can’t lose with real estate,’ Piotrowski said.

And she says this during a FORECLOSURE TOUR?!!!

Comment by combotechie
2008-05-02 09:30:35

LOL.

Comment by mikey
2008-05-02 11:43:41

Bill Jackson, VP of business development at Engineered Construction, Inc. in Verona, says the slowdown is affecting everyone. ‘Nobody really wants to talk much about it, but a lot of guys are really struggling,’ he says.”

Hell’s Bells Bill…Wisconsin, like much of the midwest rust belt is TOAST..and “Nobody wants to talk much about it…”

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil and pass me another HELOC :)

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Comment by SMF
2008-05-02 09:31:39

Incredible, after seeing billions of losses, that she can’t see how much you can actually loose via RE.

And of course, the kicker is the ‘low-priced’ $250K home! Not too long ago, that $250K gave you a move up home.

Some people you just can’t teach.

Comment by zeropointzero
2008-05-02 12:11:59

It’s like deciding the time is right to start experimenting with heroin after viewing Sid and Nancy or perhaps Requiem for a Dream.

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Comment by exeter
2008-05-02 09:38:08

Unfawkingbelievable. I had to read that one 4 times after putting my eyeballs back in my skull. I’m floored that there are people out there who still believe the lie.

Comment by Will
2008-05-02 11:13:43

Still no shortage of greater fools

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Comment by spike66
2008-05-02 11:40:57

I believe we have identified one of the 29%.

Comment by exeter
2008-05-02 11:51:04

BINGO

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Comment by SDGreg
2008-05-02 14:32:11

Even if that 29 percent shrinks to one percent, she’ll still be there.

 
 
 
 
Comment by zee_in_phx
2008-05-02 09:46:37

I think the problem with these tours is that most of the ppl. probably showed up for the free lunch, and won’t qualify for financing. People who could be fleeced of any saving have already been gouged, the remaining ones with 20% downpayment in a savings account probably are doing there own research and know more about the local area than the realturds arranging his tour.

“‘Imagine some luxury tour bus pulling up and letting people gawk at the suffering of other people . . . and then serve lunch afterward like it’s a party,’ she said.”

this is classic - i got a mental picture of a lost thirsty soul in the middle of a barren dry desert and the vultures are hovering overhead… those vultures, bottom feeders, low ballers.. etc do serve a purpose.. clean up the mess and as warning signs to the uninitiated.

got cash?

Comment by bicoastal
2008-05-02 11:01:25

“‘Imagine some luxury tour bus pulling up and letting people gawk at the suffering of other people . . . and then serve lunch afterward like it’s a party,’ she said.”

Um, they are not gawking at the people. They are gawking at the houses. It isn’t like in “My Man Godfrey”, where the debutants have a scavenger hunt and one of the things they have to bring back is a Forgotten Man. Though maybe it will come to that.

 
 
Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-05-02 10:08:51

Property must be owner-occupied for FHA financing. If she’s honest and seeks financing for an investment purchase she’ll have problems.

Comment by Robin
2008-05-02 23:19:54

Whose responsibility is it to check whether a property is really owner-occupied? One of the largest enablers of specuvestors in the recent bubble seems to be this omission.

 
 
Comment by Blano
2008-05-02 10:32:01

Lolol…..of all the knife catchers we’ve read about, this has to be one of the worst. Three sentences, 2 NAR talking points.

 
 
Comment by Bad Andy
2008-05-02 08:21:36

“I have two children that I want to put through college. I figure you can’t lose with real estate,’ Piotrowski said. ‘It would be my first investment. It’s a great time to buy.”

Ben, you owe me a new computer. I’ll never get the coffee out of this one. You couldn’t make this comment up if you tried!

Come to Florida. We’ve got some great land with access to major highways, close to houses of worship and shopping areas…all within 45 miles of your property that’s impossible to reach.

Comment by zeropointzero
2008-05-02 12:17:07

Do you remember this one ….

Bad Idea Jeans (SNL commercial)

[ open on group of guys sitting on a bench on a basketball court, laughing ]

Guy #1: Hey, we’ve got our apartment. We ripped up the floors, pipes, wiring, and having everything completely redone.

Guy #2: You’re renting, right?

Guy #1: Yeah.

[ image on screen: BAD IDEA ]

Guy #3: Well, he’s an ex free-base addict, and he’s trying to turn around, and he needs a place to stay for a couple of months.

[ image on screen: BAD IDEA ]

Guy #1: [ tosses bottle to Guy #2 ] Head’s up!

Guy #4: Now that I have kids, I feel a lot better having a gun in the house.

[ image on screen: BAD IDEA ]

[ close-up of the jeans they're wearing, the label reads: BAD IDEA JEANS ]

Guy #3: I thought about it, and even though it’s over, I’m going to tell my wife about the afffair.

[ image on screen: BAD IDEA ]

[ more shots of BAD IDEA jeans ]

Guy #5: I don’t know the guy, but I’ve got two kidneys and he needs one, so I figured..

[ image on screen: BAD IDEA ]

Guy #2: Normally I wear protection, but then I thought, “When am I gonna make it back to Haiti?”

[ image on screen: BAD IDEA ]

Announcer: Bad Idea Jeans.

[ shows a group of tough looking basketball players on the court ]

Guy #1: Hey, you guys ready? Let’s bet these guys! A hundred bucks.. make that two hundred! Two hundred bucks!

[ fade to image on screen: BAD IDEA JEANS ]

[ fade out ]

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-02 12:26:19

They’d be better off wearing Bad Ass Jeans…

 
 
 
Comment by Climber
2008-05-02 08:31:51

“‘This is a crisis created by Wall Street,’ he says. ‘I mean, getting calls at home at 7:30 p.m. from people trying to sell you a credit card or home equity loan, that’s where the problem is.’”

Sorry bud, this crisis is way bigger than wall street. My local credit union helped fuel it with my money. People of all walks of life helped fuel the demand for houses that were bigger than their budgets. It took realtors, bankers, mortgage brokers, politicians, regulators and buyers to fuel this bonfire. Even the foreign central banks played a part. It was a very, very popular delusion.

Comment by bottomfisherman
2008-05-02 08:43:36

… all based on the delusion that ‘RE only goes up.’

 
Comment by SaladSD
2008-05-02 11:34:11

As if it couldn’t get worse for FBers, this article about the plummeting value of luxury SUVs connects the upside-down debt dots:

http://tinyurl.com/466wlb

 
 
Comment by LM
2008-05-02 08:41:29

“As long as you’re pumping out money at a faster rate then demand for money is rising you’re going to stimulate spending,” “I think it would be kind of fun to fight deflation, actually.”–Dallas Fed President Robert McTeer

Comment by stanislaw
2008-05-02 09:04:56

Ok fight deflation then. I’ll go outside and see if BB’s helicopter is flying around, otherwise it ain’t happening here.

 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-02 08:46:16

“Kathy and Gary Baumgartner’s house is still up for sale after at least ten showings, two open houses, and a $10,000 price cut in January…

“King Holley, president of the La Crosse Area Realtors Association, said he still considers the local housing market strong. However, after seven months of waiting, the Baumgartner’s may not agree.”

‘I just know the market is bottomed out and I know that’s just the way things are gonna be now,’ said Gary Baumgartner. ‘We just got to kind of sit it out and see what happens.’”

Comment by CincyDad
2008-05-02 09:19:35

“market is bottomed out ”

I suspect this is MidWest speak for ‘the market has tanked’. I don’t think he means to say the the market has hit a bottom. I think he is saying that the market has dropped a lot and is not coming back up anytime soon. It may or may not have reached a bottom (probably not) but that is immaterial. The market has dropped precipitasly, and it ain’t coming back anytime soon.

Comment by oxide
2008-05-02 11:24:04

Not even close to a bottom. Yesterday I drove around a small town 5 miles from a medium sized city, maybe 1/2 drive from the city center. The small town had tiny one-lane streets, cramped houses built in the 30’s, small lots. This morning Iooked at Zillow, and some of those houses were going for $150K and above, even if the tax assessments nearby were for half that much.

 
 
Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-05-02 10:16:02

You don’t have to sit it out. Lower the price to market value and it will sell. What happens with your strategy is you’ll be sitting for a long time. Seven months without an offer should tell you something.

Comment by SteveH
2008-05-02 10:28:56

Exactly. I think we are going to see a LOT of hopeful sellers following the market down. It’s pretty interesting to watch when someone is trying to sell, but is always just a little bit behind the price drops. It never seems to occur to these people that they could get out by dropping the price once, but enough. Instead, they will drop price a little bit, not sell, drop again, etc., in a death spiral chasing the market down but never catching up.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-05-02 11:24:52

CincyDad,

Great observation. As a native MW myself I can tell you that it’s generally considered very rude to point out a deficiency or short coming ( no matter HOW obvious! )

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-05-02 09:04:56

“Dorothy Piotrowski is looking for a low-priced property, something in the $200,000 to $250,000 range, that she can quickly rent out to earn income. ‘I have two children that I want to put through college. I figure you can’t lose with real estate,’ Piotrowski said. ‘It would be my first investment. It’s a great time to buy.’”

And here is another person clueless to the pitfalls of income property as an investment. They are not cash cows generating enough free income to put kids through school. Looks like the kiddies are going to community college.

Comment by FP
2008-05-02 09:16:11

Potential neighbors should be worried about these bus tours. Most of them are investors/speculators who will not live in the house, will rent to some douchbag(s), and the house will probably going into foreclosure. It’s going to be a cycle for awhile. (I would put up a sign with LARGE BOLD letters saying in the front lawn: “NO INVESTORS: KEEP OUT! with a picture of a shotgun)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-05-02 09:50:39

From the original post:

“Problem is, for some people the ad is a slap in the face. ‘I couldn’t believe what I was reading,’ says Amanda, an Aurora mother of two who asked that her real name not be used.”

“Amanda is speaking from her own pain. She was close to losing her home until recently when she and her husband, who was laid off from his construction job six months ago, were able to work with the bank and pull it out of foreclosure.”

“‘Imagine some luxury tour bus pulling up and letting people gawk at the suffering of other people . . . and then serve lunch afterward like it’s a party,’ she said.”

To which I say:

It’s only a matter of time before protesters start following these foreclosure bus tours. Could make for some interesting street theatre.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2008-05-02 11:56:07

Yep, the protesters would MUCH rather have the foreclosed house remain a vacant (except for the occasional spontaneous teen bash) eyesore.

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Comment by DinOR
2008-05-02 12:02:19

….And that’s a lot of the reason the wife and I are holding off on perhaps buying a 2nd. home in Las Vegas. Sure, to an Oregonian buying a very nice 3/2 ( w/ inground pool ) for 150k ‘looks’ tempting? But what’s to become of the neighborhood? We’d LOVE… to get out of the rain a few months out of the year but even if you only spend part of the year there how would you feel about “The Meth Country” and Pitbull Farms that are bound to crop up?

Even though prices may be “attractive” there’s no assurances entire subdivisions won’t meet with a D-9 Cat? At what point do the Police even refuse to patrol? Spot on FP!

 
 
Comment by Tim
2008-05-02 09:16:58

I’m looking for a low-priced foreclosure because you can’t go wrong with real estate? That’s what the previous owner thought.

 
Comment by eastcoaster
2008-05-02 09:26:58

My father put his 3 kids through 4 years of college each (state schools). None of us had school loans (ok, I did but only because I went for an extra semester and the deal was 4 years only - but, hey, I went to Penn State and that extra semester gave me another season of football!).

He paid for tuition, room, and board - we paid for books, any food costs over dining hall, and spending money (we all worked and saved $$ for this).

He financed our college by taking home equity loans. He didn’t borrow more than he could afford to repay. In fact, at the end of it all, he paid back his mortgage in full before 30 years was up.

My point being that you don’t need to buy MORE homes in order to pay for college. Why not just be wise with your finances? I have no problem borrowing against your home for education - provided you do it responsibly like my father did. But to buy into more real estate with this as your goal? Smells like a recipe for disaster to me.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-05-02 09:51:43

Your dad sounds like a great fellow. Hat tip to him!

 
Comment by Ed G
2008-05-02 11:17:21

Your dad probably paid way less than the tuition for schools is now. Ever since the fed offered all this cheap money university prices have been THROUGH THE ROOF. College IMHO is no longer a great investment for a lot of people. don’t finance your kids education through loans. Instead, help they pay as they go. Students should work part time slinging coffee or pumping gas while getting an education. They should not be blowing mommy and daddy’s money on sexing co-eds, smoking weed, and drinking until they vomit.

FYI, I lived at home and went to a state college (U-Mass Lowell). Tuition and fees were combined $4500. I worked at Texaco pulling early and late shifts and drove a POS. Living at the University is a waste of money as well. If your house is really an investment, have them continue living there. it saves 10K a year in expenses

 
 
Comment by Rally
2008-05-02 11:17:21

“Looks like the kiddies are going to community college.”

Maybe parttime. Looks like the kiddies are going to need jobs to help mom pay for her “investments”.

 
Comment by crisrose
2008-05-02 12:39:59

“Looks like the kiddies are going to community college.”

If they are as dumb as their mother, that’s exactly where they belong.

 
 
Comment by mina
2008-05-02 09:24:12

it was time for another Chicago thread.

the denial here is still unreal. because you know: it’s a great time to buy. especially in Chicago, from the city to suburbs to the exurbs. everyone wants to live here.

I found myself mired in a debate on my horse bulletin board with other Illinois folks re: developers buying up land. turns out the most vehement of the posters works for one - she claims their business plan is to buy up land while the prices are “at the bottom”.

I think I really pricked her ire when I replied with “lucky you - come back and tell us how that business plan is working out for you … say one/two years from now”

(think they can they tell how smug I am from comments on a bulletin board?)

Comment by lagirl
2008-05-02 09:38:34

I have a friend who was a mortgage broker during the boom. Now his business is go to and buy up foreclosed properties across the country as “investments” to rent out. I asked him once about the whole housing bubble thing and he honestly believes he helped some people by getting loans for them. But he’s also the type of guy to get heavy into multi-level marketing schemes and he believes in them whole-heartedly. The irony here is that he went through a foreclosure some years ago due to his MLM business not taking off as planned. He’s constantly looking for the next get-rich-quick scheme. He’s not a bad guy at heart, just…he buys into the kool-aid.

Comment by phillygal
2008-05-02 09:45:43

The irony here is that he went through a foreclosure some years ago due to his MLM business not taking off as planned. He’s constantly looking for the next get-rich-quick scheme.

You just know one of the scaminar gurus will find a way to combine MLM and foreclosures into a profit-making OPPORTUNITY…AND you can get in on the ground floor!

FIRE YOUR BOSS!

Why stay stuck in a job you hate? Call 1-800-SCAMINAR for a recorded message on HOW TO LIVE YOUR DREAM…Do it NOW or be a LOSER for the rest of your life!!!!

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-05-02 09:53:21

I had a friend who was a real sucker for those MLMs. It was sad to watch because, over time, most of her friends and family distanced themselves from her. Reason: They got tired of the incessant sales pitches.

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Comment by jetson_boy
2008-05-02 11:26:55

The radio is full of ads like that. My favorite is for a site that sells crap on Ebay. The idea is that you become a seller for them.

It goes like this: ” It seems like everyone is living the good life today… driving fancy cars and nice houses.They’re all living the American dream… Except you.” ( said in a painful voice)

“Well now you can make the money that you DESERVE( I hear the deserve word a lot in these ads) with (- - -).

Anyhow, TONS of ads for stupid suckers floating around out there.

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-05-02 10:05:34

The thing that freaks me out about Chicago proper is how much inventory is still in the pipeline. There’s construction everywhere in the neighborhoods I frequent. To be sure, some of it is a last gasp effort by developers, but I think it’s clear that Chicago is lagging well behind many coastal markets — we have a long, long way to go in Chicagoland, Milwaukee, and Madison.

 
Comment by steadykat
2008-05-02 11:25:42

Perhaps it was just me. However, my wife (Elmhurst born and raised) and I spent ten days out in Chicago about a month and a half ago. I was amazed at how pretty much everyone (unlike our prior visits) that I talked to acknowledged the housing mess (both Nationally and locally) and how most freely admitted that “it’s dead here”.

It was a refreshing experience because we live in SoUtah where most everyone that I talk to ignores our shuttered million dollarhome “Communities” and empty completed commercial developments and increasingly poor local and State employment stats because they all know that it (the crash) could never happen here.

Comment by DinOR
2008-05-02 12:45:24

steadycat,

I played for the “Elmhurst Huskies” at the YMCA in the 60’s and 70’s. I remember the guy that ran the place “Ed” ran some kid out of there for “having the manners of a kodiak bear!”

We’re courteous ( but only to a point ) Oh btw try throwing someone ( however RUDE ) out these days and you’ll be talking to their attorney. Great place, still have friends there.

Comment by FormerExCalifornian
2008-05-02 21:33:35

Steadycat, how is that massive mistake of a development called Elim Valley faring? Just what SoUtah needs right about now, 15000 new homes, on the highway between St George and Hurricane. Bwa..hahahahahahaha!

“It’ll never happen here, everyone wants to live in Saint George.”

BTW: Yes, the grass is greener here…2 years there was enough.

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Comment by Kathy
2008-05-02 13:26:37

People in Elmhurst may be saying it is dead, but they aren’t conceding defeat yet. No one’s really dropping their prices yet. There are still McMansions on the market that were bought in 2006, and the current owners are actually trying to get a $200,000 profit now. There are also still a bunch of empty houses built in the last few years that haven’t sold and are still at 2006 prices.

Comment by Sabrina
2008-05-02 16:43:57

I agree about the sellers not dropping prices. I’m seeing it all over the place in the City but also in the suburbs. There is a stand-off between buyers and sellers even though the sellers admit the market is “terrible.”

Inventory is increasing all over the Chicagoland area. Foreclosures are also creeping into the “non-subprime” areas as these articles indicate. There are hundreds of new construction mansion homes in the western suburbs (not to mention the North Shore) that are sitting empty.

Just doing a craigslist search comes up with several in Park Ridge that are in short sale. Never lived in. $1 million short sales.

The smaller-time developers can only hold on so long.

In the City, we’re starting to see foreclosures in many of the new construction high rises- specifically those that closed in 2005-2006. The foreclosures are starting to become noticeable in the South Loop. Obviously, the ARMs are correcting.

It’s amazing what the banks were lending. $1.75 million condos bought with 100% financing.

Now that the loan requirements are tightening- it’s making it even more difficult. For first time buyers, there aren’t many 20- or 30 somethings that have the 10% down.

That’s going to depress prices and sales even further.

In Chicago- you won’t see the real price reductions until next spring- after some sellers have had their properties on the market for over a year and really have to face “reality.”

I’m also starting to see more pricing that is circa 2005 - with the sellers simply trying to “breakeven” if they bought a few years ago.

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Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-05-02 09:32:12

the price spread in my hood 22151 is about 20% on the same type homes= wacked

 
Comment by reuven
2008-05-02 11:24:32


“‘Bad things happen to good people,’ she said. ‘But we can’t do anything about that. That’s the past.’”

Maybe so, but they seem to happen more often to stupid, greedy people.

Comment by DinOR
2008-05-02 11:36:18

Yvette, Yvette, Yvette!

Bad girl Yvette! Now true, in the… PAST that may have been the case but you know better so quit trying to portray it that way. Rather than admit these buyers over paid and/or used stunt man loans she sweeps the whole issue under the carpet. Maybe she thinks most moms still stay at home and bake cookies too?

 
 
Comment by FED Up
2008-05-02 13:38:04

“Bargain prices

There are no complaints about the prices. A Schaumburg three-bedroom, two-story home at 708 Leslie Lane is listed at $310,000, down from the original asking price of $379,000. Another Schaumburg two-story at 18 Emerson Dr. sold for $440,000 in 2006. Now owned by a bank, it is listed for $320,499.”

bargain prices - what a bunch of BS

18 Emerson Dr. Schaumburg
http://www.prustonegaterealty.com/18EmersonDrive.html

previous sales
150K - 3/92
155K - 2/93
306K - 8/05
440K - 5/06

708 Leslie Ln Schaumburg
http://www.falconliving.com/search/House/SCHAUMBURG-60194/MLS_06827181.html

previous sale
180K - 5/99

 
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