May 3, 2008

Going Broke Right And Left In Florida

Highlands Today reports from Florida. “Now that the construction industry in Highlands County is grinding slower and slower, Don Maddox spends a lot more time in his truck. ‘I’m on the computer, or looking at jobs out of town,’ said Maddox, the owner of Central Florida Glass & Mirror. To keep his installers busy, they’ve been riding to jobs from Pensacola to Miami. ‘We have 10 men less this year than we did last year,’ said Maddox. ‘We had to lay them off.’”

“Locals blame the mortgage foreclosure crisis, a slowdown in the construction industry, zooming gasoline prices, the recessionary national economy and fewer numbers of people moving to Florida and Highlands County.”

“John Minor, Highlands County’s human relations manager, said huge numbers of workers have been asking for menial jobs. ‘Last year, we advertised a custodial job, and as many as 130 applied,’ Minor said.”

“‘We get a constant flow of people. Three or four a week,’ said Maddox. ‘Subcontractors are going broke right and left, professional subcontractors who do everything right.’”

The News Press. “Dressed in a pale blue work shirt, dress pants and a tie, Cape Coral resident John Howell stood on the side of Del Prado Boulevard near the Coralwood Shopping Center on Tuesday and held up a sign. It read: ‘I NEED A JOB!!’”

“Howell said he is strapped to find work fast especially since he has a $1,700 a month mortgage and a $300-a month car payment. Howell, who was formally a car salesman, currently sells framing to construction companies. But he said his current job no longer pays the bills because of the slowdown in the construction industry.”

“He said he is mostly skilled in sales, but he will take whatever job will pay the bills. He has had about 12 interviews over the past few weeks, including a few at the Olive Garden on Pine Island Road, but none panned out.”

“‘I’m off the beaten path,’ Howell said. ‘I’m not looking for a handout. I’m looking for a job. I’m losing my home. I haven’t paid my mortgage in four months.’”

“Foreclosure actions filed in Lee County spiked up sharply to a record high of 2,160 in April - with almost a third for primary residences, according to the Southwest Florida Real Estate Investors Association.”

“Investors and homeowners alike have been hit hard as the median price of a single-family home has fallen 34 percent from a peak of $322,300 in December 2005 to $212,500 in March.”

“Joanne Long is one of the homeowners who’s facing foreclosure - she and her husband expect to lose their southwest Cape Coral home because they can’t pay off more than $236,000 they owe lender.”

“There’s little chance of selling the house to pay off that debt because it’s now worth only about $105,000, she said.”

“The straw that broke the camel’s back was having to refinance with an adjustable rate mortgage to pay the water and sewer assessment to Cape Coral in 2006, said Long, who works at the Lee County clerk of court’s office and also part time as a real estate agent.”

“‘We were paying about $1,000 a month but once that happened the payment jumped to $2,200,’ Long said.”

“Of April’s foreclosures, 692 were homesteaded primary residences: 32 percent of the total and up from 554 in March. Mortgage broker and investor Jeff Tumbarello said foreclosed houses are coming back onto the markets as the banks take them back and then sell them.”

“‘But they’re losing, on average, 50 to 60 percent of what they lent,’ he said.”

“The bank sales have had the effect of finally boosting the number of houses being sold in the county because they’re going so cheaply, he said. ‘The foreclosed homes are the pearl our market’s got to offer.’”

“The foreclosure problem is escalating throughout Southwest Florida. There were 3,267 foreclosures in Collier County last year compared to about 1,440 foreclosures from 1999 through 2005, Undersheriff Kevin Rambosk said.. The county lists 181 foreclosures this year and another 1,500 cases are pending, he said.”

“There were 10,700 foreclosures last year in Lee County and 1,784 foreclosure actions were filed in Lee Circuit Court in March.”

“The foreclosure problem has hit all areas of Collier County. ‘We are a gated community, but unfortunately, the gates didn’t keep out foreclosures,’ said Jake Sullivan, president of the Waterways of Naples Homeowners Association.”

The Naples News. “Florida’s change back to a paper ballot system will add about $500,000 to Lee County Supervisor of Elections Sharon Harrington’s budget this year. That’s a drop in the bucket compared to the at least $140 million revenue decrease County Manager Don Stilwell says county budgets face.”

“But some areas will need more employees. ‘Circuit court cases are up 84 percent since ‘05,’ said Chief Judge Keith Carey. ‘We have 16,000 foreclosures pending. Criminal division felonies are up 61 percent since ‘05.’”

From Marketplace. “Dan Grech: Celebration Point is a luxury condo development in Miami Lakes, Florida. It has a pool, a spa, a clubhouse — and a problem: 15 percent of unit owners have stopped paying their monthly maintenance fee. Now their neighbors have to foot the bill.”

“Albert Marques lives in Celebration Point and is the condo’s treasurer. He says the condo faces a $250,000 a year shortfall. To stay afloat, it’s pulling $20,000 a month from an emergency reserve funded by residents.”

“Marques: ‘I mean, it’s money that could have been used to upgrade the amenities and as a result, is going to be used for bad debt.’”

“Celebration Point is actually in better shape than many of Florida’s 25,000 condominium associations. Up to 90 percent of owners in some condos aren’t paying their maintenance fees.”

“Jeremy Resnick is with a firm that helps homeowners who owe more on their home than it’s currently worth. He said one client was just handed a bill for $40,000 to help cover an association fee shortfall. This isn’t just a problem in Florida. Resnick says 51 million people in the U.S. live under a homeowner or condo association, and nearly all of those communities face some financial fallout from foreclosures.”

“Resnick: ‘In the bigger areas, in the Miamis, in the San Diegos, in the Phoenixes of the world, these are $50,000 and $100,000 assessments.’”

“Condo boards do have a trump card: they can foreclose on past-due properties. Marques says Celebration Point just took over the property title of one delinquent owner. The board is waiting for the police to evict the owner.”

“Marques: ‘Given that we have 30 units that are just habitually not paying, we’ve only foreclosed on one, that doesn’t give me any warm, fuzzy feelings that this is about to end any time soon.’”

The News Journal. “With its English, country-like elegance, the brick house on a hill in Ormond Beach would fit on the cover of Better Homes & Gardens. But behind the walls is a vacated interior that lacks the most basic essentials, including appliances and toilets. They are gone like the owners who once lived there, a casualty of foreclosure.”

“‘We see people who vacuum and clean when they leave. And then we get other houses that are trashed, stripped,’ said Frank Cardarelli, a Port Orange real estate broker who has specialized in foreclosures for 25 years.”

“Cardarelli said he has seen air conditioning units, hot water heaters, sinks, closet doors, even heating vents ripped out and taken when owners left their homes, no longer able to pay mortgages.”

“‘It goes from mild to severe. Some people take everything. It’s incredible,’ he said. ‘But there’s not much value for what they’re taking, like a used ceiling fan or rusted water heater.’”

“Area real estate brokers say stripping of foreclosed houses to some extent occurs about a quarter of the time. Sharon Barbaro, who handles many foreclosures, said the houses run the spectrum from being left in good condition to where some former owners ‘take it or break it.’”

“‘It’s not only the lower middle class. It’s across the board,’ she said.”

“For those looking to buy, Barbaro said foreclosures often offer buyers a good deal, although some houses need sprucing up. ‘It’s a fantastic deal for people who perhaps couldn’t afford a house two years ago,’ she said. ‘I must have 40-something on the market.’”

“But real estate broker Joyce Marsh said foreclosures are not necessarily a bargain, adding the ‘deals are incredible now’ in the more traditional housing market.”

“‘People seem to feel foreclosures are a very good buy. But not always,’ she said. ‘Typically foreclosures are in poor condition and can become your worst nightmare. You could be left with a house of horrors.’”




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Comment by vmaxer
2008-05-03 07:51:21

How’s this for a stimulus plan?

Encourage Americans to take their vacations within the U.S. It will add billions of dollars to domestic spending stimulus and won’t cost the tax payers a dime.

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-05-03 08:05:31

that’s easy , we’re the new pesso peasants

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-03 08:15:18

I didn’t know anyone could afford to travel overseas anymore for vacations…

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-03 07:52:28

Listen up Washington. You better forget about house prices and start figuring out what jobs we are going to have in the next few years. Here’s a hint; we don’t need any more houses.

‘ It’s graduation day for Tiffany Blackwood, and she assumed earning a bachelor’s degree in psychology at Florida Atlantic University would land her a job. She’s still looking for one, and she is not alone in this scenario.

“I think it’s the job market and the economy,” said Blackwood. “I mean it’s getting kind of rough out there you know. The gas prices, housing is getting really bad, a lot of foreclosures.”

Thousands of South Florida graduates are having a hard time finding jobs this year in comparison to last year. The National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE) told CBS4 News that the class of 2008 will find fewer job opportunities than they anticipated. That’s because of the hard hit sectors in the economy like financial services and construction.

“I think it’s getting really bad, and a lot of people when they see the economy is getting bad they’re not going to hire or give you what you’re worth in pay,” said Blackwood.’

Comment by Michael Fink
2008-05-03 08:17:40

“It’s graduation day for Tiffany Blackwood, and she assumed earning a bachelor’s degree in psychology at Florida Atlantic University would land her a job.”

No offense to anyone intended, but what job did she expect the Psych degree to “land” her? Yes, it’s a good general degree, but it’s just a starting point into the professional world. There’s no real “on the job” skills learned from a psych degree, it’s not a business/accounting/science/etc degree, it’s a soft skill. I would never imply that it’s without worth, but, under no circumstances can you take that degree and expect to have the high income jobs line up at your feet.

It always makes me laugh when I see people getting out of college with the “soft” degrees (Psych, English, History, etc) and then they are surprised that they can’t find a great job. Hello…. Wake up… Why do you think that some people were sitting through diff eq and pulling their hair out while you were reading great English classics and conducting cool psych experiments? Did you think it’s because we didn’t want to learn the cool stuff that you did. Or perhaps because we knew that a science/math/business/etc degree would lead to a good paying job? Come on, as much as I love what I do, there’s no way in he** I would take the college courses I did if I thought I could have gotten this job with a psych degree!

I still have nightmares about operations research and integration by parts. I’m scarred for life from that crap. :)

Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-05-03 08:37:35

Integration by parts is a bummer. I almost always start with the wrong part first. Thankfully, in the “real” world, integration is done on the computer via numerical analysis techniques.

 
Comment by Incredulous
2008-05-03 08:58:26

What about this line?

“…they’re not going to hire or give you what you’re worth in pay,” said Blackwood.

She’s just graduating, and she already thinks she has a market value? How obnoxious can one get at such a young age? I think many parents, teachers, and others for two decades now have been “installing” way too much “self-esteem” (translation: egotism) in kids, producing some of the most vapid and arrogant twits in human history. I would love to be an employer approached by Blackwood so I could tell her how absolutely worthless and not-special she really is.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-05-03 09:12:23

She thinks she has value as a recent graduate becuase that’s what the schools and society have been telling her all along.

Imagine what would happen to college enrollment if the schools fessed up and admitted that even with a degree you’ll still have to fight and scratch to get by.

Just like with house ownership - imagine if the NAR admitted that buying a house entitles one to the pleasures of pay untold thousands in wasted interest, rising insurance, soaring property taxes and even HOA?

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Comment by sf jack
2008-05-03 10:04:08

“She thinks she has value as a recent graduate becuase that’s what the schools and society have been telling her all along.”

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This is very different from how I was raised and how the job market was when I finished undgrad studies - it’s sometimes hard to believe.

Very few undergrads went right out of school to well paying jobs when I was graduating.

A lot of us did fun things (while working) for a few years or went back to school.

It was a completely different era than recent graduates have seen coming into the job market for at least the last 10 years.

I think the coming slowdown is going to be tougher on new graduates. And their parents who have done everything and more (and perhaps too much) to make their offspring’s lives easier… which may be to the kids’ detriment in the long run.

We may just find out how well a lot of people deal with a little adversity.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-03 09:13:52

I remember reading once that only 5% of graduates end up working in the specific field they studied for.

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Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2008-05-03 12:57:14

Yeah,there are only a few of us with the drive and vision to succeed in our chosen fields of study. Interpretive Modern Dance has really paid off for me. I look at it as my gift to the world.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-05-03 15:42:45

YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS INCRED;

Recent college Grads are all the rage today, Companies violate age sex discrimination laws just to get at them. The last thing most companies want is some one older with actual thoughts in his head.

So she know the market better then you or I do.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2008-05-03 09:54:03

‘I still have nightmares about operations research and integration by parts. I’m scarred for life from that crap.’

That’s terrible, Mike! Hey, I know, maybe you should go get healed by a…well, shucks..I guess by a …psychologist? Haw!
(Now, I’m just teasin’ yar.)

 
Comment by Betamax
2008-05-03 11:48:43

Bachelor of Arts degrees are a dime a dozen, and most people who go into Psychology are flakes anyway (as a Psych prof once explained to me).

There’s nothing wrong with majoring in the Arts, but you should be prepared to get straight A’s and complete an advanced degree or two before expecting to get a job out of it.

Even then, there are no guarantees. A PhD doesn’t guarantee an academic job; it just qualifies you to apply for the job. I’m on the hiring committee at a college and am appalled at some of the whack-jobs we get applying here.

Comment by Michael Fink
2008-05-03 12:52:59

Betamax,

You made my point much more eloquently, that’s exactly what I meant to say. It’s not a bad thing; but to see it as the “ticket” to a great job is misguided and wrong.

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Comment by anon in DC
2008-05-03 13:36:45

Depending on what you want to do a ’soft’ or humanities degrees can be VERY useful. I know several people with philosophy degrees who because they could write well landed great jobs in corporate communiations. One of my friends in consulting says they hire lots of liberal arts grads again because of the critital thinking / writing skills.

 
Comment by sohonyc
2008-05-03 18:04:06

“I would never imply that it’s without worth,”…

Well… it *is* a pseudo-science…

[runs for cover]

 
Comment by barbarus
2008-05-04 10:29:52

Unfortunately, science and math are declining assets and will seemingly soon have as little utility in getting a j*b as English and psych(unless your degree is from the University of Bangalore).

I can’t understand why housing is so thoroughly discussed but employment is not. The w*rk situation is equally disastrous in this country and is having a major economic impact.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2008-05-05 16:18:57

Have a heart; she could apply for the assistant’s job for MONK on either Friday USA, Channel 34 or on Sunday on NBC. hehehehehehe

 
 
Comment by Mormon_Tea
2008-05-03 09:50:25

“Listen up Washington. You better forget about house prices and start figuring out what jobs we are going to have in the next few years. Here’s a hint; we don’t need any more houses.”
Okay, Election Day is just six months away.
I bet a lot of folks are a wishing and a hoping the next President, Administration, Governor, or Congress will “fix” the worsening economic conditions. Bring “good” jobs back and things will be alright. This is a great time to relect on one of the original purposes of this blog and examine the effect of the housing boom “on the economy as a whole”.
I see one of the primary effects as the rapid destabilization of many things American - the financial system - the dollar - businesses - families - communities - expectations. The fact is, when housing prices collapse, as they are now, many homeowners are suddenly both without their former “equity” bank, and facing job loss in a recessionary spiral. The Government’s response has been to levy the inflation/dollar debasement tax on everyone. The rising cost of food, oil, and nearly everything else, come at a time when people’s housing ” equity savings” have been wiped out. This is pushing many of them towards bankruptcy. For those who rent and have cash savings, inflation tends to erode those savings, and falling home prices make that investment unattractive. Thus there is little chance a wave of new buyers will support the falling home prices anytime soon. So what will the new President, Administration, Governor, or Congress do?
Create “good jobs” out of thin air? How?
Create “wealth and savings” for people to use to stop the recessionary spiral? How?
My point is that the only thing government has in its bag of tricks, is - print $$$ and “talk” the problems away.
I see a great shrinking of the American middle class as foreclosures, bankruptcies, joblessness, and inflation take their toll. I see the potential for levels of civil unrest formerly associated with banana republics. I see the next President, Administration, Governors and Congress constantly repeating to the MSM that NO ONE could have seen this coming.

Comment by Chip
2008-05-03 11:00:54

I just hope the jobs they create aren’t suddenly a lot more military ones. If you’re in charge and you can’t rescue housing, what else do you do to scare people into voting for you? You create fear and offer to protect everyone.

 
 
Comment by His LordShip
2008-05-04 06:25:19

My Dad always told me, that IF evrybody goes to college, you’ll have college educated sweepers…
Dad is gone, but the sweepers are piling up

 
 
Comment by spike66
2008-05-03 08:00:45

“Criminal division felonies are up 61 percent since ‘05.’”

This is in Naples, Florida. I thought that was a high-end area.

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-05-03 08:03:45

high end older folks and established too
foreclosure zones are dangerous

 
Comment by reuven
2008-05-03 08:20:48

The rise in crime in Florida is terrifying. I spend a one week in 5 in Florida, and it now scares me to venture anywhere late at night.

Comment by Michael Fink
2008-05-03 08:24:38

Why do you think there are gates around every single “high” end home in FL? :) It’s not because we like looking at a 10′ wall when we come into our communities. It’s because, like you said, the crime rate is extreme in FL, even in some of the “best” cities.

 
Comment by tampaesq
2008-05-03 11:49:57

Never wanted a gun until I moved to Florida… In fact I was very anti-gun. That was until I met my first illiterate, parentless (who knows where they are - prison??), gang-banging 14-year-old.

It reminds me of a conversation I had with a co-worker the other day. He came from a rural area where no one “needs” a gun but everyone has three. His wife was complaining to him about storing his three guns in the house. (He’s ex-military as well). She asked him what he’d do if someone broke into their house in the night. He said he’d shoot ‘em. Then she asked “what if it were a kid who broke into the house?” He told her he’d aim lower. This from a very well-educated and experienced criminal defense attorney.

Crime in Florida is a nightmare.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2008-05-03 08:46:25

felonies are up 61 ??

And headed higher….With all the Forensic tools, eyes in the sky etc., at their disposal you can’t pass gas anymore without getting busted….Besides, its one gigantic money making machine…Its self serving…more busts mean more money….San Jose California fell from number 1 for large metro crime to number 3…..police chief and the politicians used that to ask for 400 more police…God forbid that we are number 3…

 
Comment by Chip
2008-05-03 10:50:49

(Naples) “That’s a drop in the bucket compared to the at least $140 million revenue decrease County Manager Don Stilwell says county budgets face.”

Where are the reporters who should be questioning Stilwell and other “leaders” about why they jacked up their recurring expenses so high and so quickly during the boom? They could have saved it in a contingency or trust fund, or more-fully funded their likely-generous pension fund or maybe increased the energy efficiency of taxpayer-supported buildings.

They need to drag out the year-2000 budget and that will be the budget for next year. Department heads who can’t make the adjustment should be replaced, IMO. Just like we’d have to do it if our income were cut.

 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-05-03 08:02:13

fl glass & mirror
an ex customer
I don’t call anyone in FL anymore

 
Comment by CrackerJim
2008-05-03 08:03:00

“Howell, who was formally a car salesman, currently sells framing to construction companies. But he said his current job no longer pays the bills because of the slowdown in the construction industry.”

Does this edited newspaper article mean that Howell previously (formerly) sold cars while wearing a tuxedo or is this just more indication of the fall in literacy in this country?

Comment by holytrainwreck
2008-05-03 08:28:47

Litteracy? Bah.

 
 
Comment by reuven
2008-05-03 08:19:32

“The straw that broke the camel’s back was having to refinance with an adjustable rate mortgage to pay the water and sewer assessment to Cape Coral in 2006, said Long, who works at the Lee County clerk of court’s office and also part time as a real estate agent.

I don’t get it. They *had* to take out an expensive, risky loan to pay the water and sewer assessment!? If I had a water and sewer assessment I couldn’t pay, and I lived in a state where your primary residence was judgement-proof (more or less), I know what bill I wouldn’t be paying….

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-03 08:28:03

Incredible, isn’t it. We get bombarded by sob stories about people who refi to pay credit cards off (no doubt run up on vacations, etc) and then lose the house. Just default on the cards, fools!

Of course, it does help to remember that a couple of years ago, even the financial TV shows were going on about how smart it was to refi and ‘lower those interest payments.’

Comment by holytrainwreck
2008-05-03 14:47:40

Exactly. Fools the lot of them for trading their unsecured debt into SECURED debt

 
 
Comment by diogenes (Tampa,Fl)
2008-05-03 08:42:16

Primary residences are “protected” from your unsecured creditors. This excludes mortgage debt and TAXES.
Special Assessments are taxes, I think. The government ALWAYS gets paid.

 
Comment by Chip
2008-05-03 11:06:07

Wonder why they couldn’t qualify for a second mortgage or an equity loan for the amount of the assessment? That’s what I’d have done, if I could not sell my house and move into something I can really afford.

 
 
Comment by diogenes (Tampa,Fl)
2008-05-03 08:34:31

“Celebration Point is actually in better shape than many of Florida’s 25,000 condominium associations. Up to 90 percent of owners in some condos aren’t paying their maintenance fees.”

This is the exact same thing that happened in the 80’s condo bust. Lots of overbuilding, lots of forclosures, and the worst part will be the lawsuits. They legal bills will ad to the expense side of the ledger and will be pooled for all the remaining residents to pay.
In the 80’s bust, prices fell roughly 50% in most places.
The amount of speculation from this “boom” dwarfs the fallout from the prior bust.
Condos are the WORST investment during a price run-up.
If you didn’t unload early, your “investment” will break even in about 12-15 years. That’s how long it took for prices to return to their prior peaks.

Comment by fries with that?
2008-05-03 10:44:54

“Condo boards do have a trump card: they can foreclose on past-due properties. Marques says Celebration Point just took over the property title of one delinquent owner. The board is waiting for the police to evict the owner.”

Is this power of foreclosure really a trump card? Do mortgage loans survive foreclosure by condo associations in Florida? If so, any association that forecloses is tying an albatross around its own neck. If not, they might have to steeply discount the foreclosed unit in order to sell it, lowering the values of the other condos, putting other residents further underwater and giving them less of an incentive to hang on.

Comment by Chip
2008-05-03 11:13:51

Here in Florida, to my knowledge, mortgage debts are subordinate to the rights of the association to protect the whole. That probably is why, even during much of the bubble, banks would not lend at a residential interest rate to a buyer of a condo in which more than a specified percentage (usually 20%) of the units were rentals. Then the loan had to be classified commercial.

BTW, I read on CR last night that hotel financing apparently has dropped from 85-90% LTV last summer to 50-55% now. Huge drop, and fast. So what will happen to condo buyers who have to apply for a commercial-graded loan?

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2008-05-03 10:57:50

In the most crazy built out areas in FL, I think it may be safe to say that they will NEVER return to their previous values. The building will be torn down, turned into section 8, or condemned long before the paid price will ever come back. I do realize that homes are supposed to double every 10 years or so, but many of these building simply have NO demand at almost any price. HOAs are way too high, and there’s simply nobody to live in the units.

Of course, my favorite buildings (Marina Grande and The Landmark) are, imho, on that list. I just don’t think that demand exists at any price (above section 8) for either of these buildings, and, in the case of the Landmark, 7 figure spending retirees who would rather live in the mall parking lot as opposed to beachfront. I feel totally comfortable saying that neither will return to “peak” prices in my lifetime (which, given that I am 30, should be a very long time).

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2008-05-03 09:01:29

‘Typically foreclosures are in poor condition and can become your worst nightmare. You could be left with a house of horrors.’

We paid for a full inspection prior to making the offer on the seriously neglected home we bought here, and used the inspection results to help justify our low-ball offer to the bank. Fortunately we’ve run into no additional problems beyond the ones originally noted by the inspector.

But buying a foreclosure is indeed risky. Even if you try to compensate for the risk by coming in with what you think is a sufficiently low offer, you can get burned.

Follow your gut. If you have any concern at all about the prospective house, pass it up. In this environment there are plenty of others to choose from.

Comment by Kim
2008-05-03 12:43:38

I toured one of those “nightmares” this morning. The FBs took everything: bedroom carpets, kitchen cabinets, all toilets, the furnace, and the hot water heater. They left a cheap light fixture in the 2-story foyer. Guess that wasn’t worth the effort of hauling in the big ladder.

 
 
Comment by Tim
2008-05-03 09:36:04

“‘Subcontractors are going broke right and left, professional subcontractors who do everything right.’”

Totally wrong. Anyone in construction, the mortgage industry and/or real estate that had half a brain would have known that rapid appreciation, loose credit standards and excessive building means they are getting their life time earnings up front, and that during the boom time they have to save and create a war chest for when the bubble deflates. If they wanted a stable job to last thier lifetimes, they would have been against rapid appreciation and excessive building and debt leverage, and fought tooth and nail to retain historic norms. Economics is easy. No magic too it. You go to much above the norm and you need a huge drop to get back to the norm. Nobody expected this to happen? BS. It couldn’t have happened any other way.

Comment by say what
2008-05-03 10:07:32

Exactly, easy, no magic to it and that is why all the explaining and crying is so lame and childish. It is like playing a game, when you start you know the rules and if you loose and cry, what does that make you-a sore loser.

 
 
Comment by Bloz
2008-05-03 09:53:06

Just had a girl with a BA in Criminal Justice take a $7/hr receptionists job.
Great return on the tuition dollars.

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-03 12:30:05

I’m jealous of you Floridians, getting a post every day about how much houses have crashed. When will the Colorado/Utah train take off?

OT: Speaking of trains, I aw the weirdest train parked on the tracks here, asked the guy what it was, it’s a grinding train. There are 11 of them in the country and they just travel around, docked by day, cruising the rails grinding by night. (You know my little’s town’s slow when that’s a news item.)

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-03 12:40:41

Mirror mirror on the wall, who’s about to take a fall?

“Now that the construction industry in Highlands County is grinding slower and slower, Don Maddox spends a lot more time in his truck. ‘I’m on the computer, or looking at jobs out of town,’ said Maddox, the owner of Central Florida Glass & Mirror. To keep his installers busy, they’ve been riding to jobs from Pensacola to Miami. ‘We have 10 men less this year than we did last year,’ said Maddox. ‘We had to lay them off.’”

Comment by His LordShip
2008-05-04 06:50:54

I wonder IF he’s got a fleet of trucks with diesel engines, burning up diesel fuel @ $4.25/gal…All the way from Pensacola to Miami…I’ve driven it several times…..It’s a long 10+ hour drive…
No shortage of diesel, or stupidity there….

 
 
Comment by bairen
2008-05-03 14:51:36

$1,200 a month is a 200k mtg. She borrowed 200k for a sewage assessment? Or did a teaser neg option arm readjust?

 
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