It’s The Best Thing That Could Happen In California
The Ventura County Star reports from California. “Ventura County consumer bankruptcy filings jumped 122 percent last year as lenders toughened refinancing requirements, area bankruptcy attorneys say. The days of being able to ‘refinance away’ problems, as has been a tradition in California, are over, said Michael Sment, chairman of the Ventura County Bar Association’s Bankruptcy Section.”
“‘It’s a train wreck,’ said Louis J. Esbin, president of the Central District Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys Association. ‘We’re seeing people who in the past may have been able to refinance their way out of debt, but now many lenders are out of business. Lenders now require proof of income, tax returns. No longer can a person who fogs a mirror get a loan.’”
The Contra Costa Times. “Frustrated with banks that refuse to renegotiate home loans, residents gathered outside the Antioch branches of three national banks Friday afternoon to voice their discontent.”
“CCISCO spokeswoman Oliba Cardona said…her group wants banks to lower mortgages to better reflect the property’s market value, thus allowing homeowners to afford the monthly payments more easily. ‘We want the banks to renegotiate people’s debt so homeowners can keep their homes,’ Cardona said.”
“Juan and Josephine Ramirez moved into their $375,000 house in Antioch three years ago. The initial monthly payment on their adjustable-rate mortgage was $2,700. Now, it’s $3,200. ‘It’s impossible,’ Josephine said. ‘We are trying to maintain the payments on our credit cards.’”
“The couple, who have two young children, said homes in their neighborhood are now selling for $150,000.”
“‘A lot of us are going into foreclosure, or in danger of going into foreclosure,’ said protester Luis Flores, who could no longer keep up with the $4,000 monthly payment on the home he’s lived in for seven years. ‘It came down to paying the bank or buying food.’”
From ABC 7 News. “In a report issued Friday, (a) real estate tracking firm finds average property values in San Jose lost 11.2 percent, San Francisco lost 14.1 percent, Los Angeles lost 19.3 percent and real estate in Sacramento is down 29.8 percent, which is the most in the nation.”
“A group of East Bay homeowners, facing foreclosure, resolutely marched through Antioch, stopping at three banks where they say no one is listening to their desperate plight.”
“Bernice Ramos is six months behind on her mortgage payments, which ballooned up to $5,600 a month on her $500,000 house which has lost half its value. Her husband is working less and the bank has sent letters threatening foreclosure. She’s packing boxes because she thinks they’ll be kicked out next month.”
“‘All of these people are in the same situation. That’s why we’re here together with our church, we decided to start doing something so somebody will listen to us,’ said Ramos.”
The Oakland Tribune. “A couple of years ago, when new lofts and condominiums throughout Oakland’s urban neighborhoods were selling for three quarters of a million dollars, Ken Stevens’ services weren’t needed. Nowadays Stevens, CEO of Accelerated Marketing Partners real estate auction company, is so busy he’ll be running auctions in two counties Sunday — selling condos in Oakland and single family homes in Pittsburg.”
“Thousands of new housing units — condos, townhomes, lofts — have sprouted up from one side of the city. Some developers are opting to sell vacant units at a great discount — often below cost — to move inventory and satisfy the bank. And that’s where Stevens comes in.”
“Last weekend his company auctioned one- and two-bedroom condominiums in the Shadow Woods development in the Oakland hills, starting with a modest $220,000 opening bid. On March 30, his company auctioned off 41 condominiums in the Eight Orchids development in Oakland’s Chinatown with a starting bid of $245,000 — up to half off previous market prices.”
“‘We’ve talked to several others in the downtown market who are in various stages of construction and or marketing, but some developers just don’t like to have auctions because of the supposed negativity,’ Stevens said, adding that he thinks they should ‘get over it.’”
“‘It’s the most effective way to move inventory in a (distressed) marketplace and it’s a great way for a buyer to get a fair to good deal,’ he said.”
“At 1 p.m. Sunday, his company will auction 34 condominiums and townhomes in the Jade development on Jefferson Street in downtown Oakland, then race to Pittsburg to auction off 37 new single-family homes in the Vista Del Mar planned community at 5 p.m.”
“According to Jade’s advertising, the company had already substantially lowered sales prices before deciding to auction a chunk of its inventory. A minimum bid has been set at $259,000, and potential buyers must be pre-qualified by a lender.”
“Michael Ghielmetti, VP of Signature Properties, said despite very slow sales, the company is not yet considering an auction to market its 130-unit Broadway Grand condominiums in Oakland’s uptown neighborhood.”
“But in the meantime, things are tough. There have been fewer than 20 sales since November, and the company has reduced asking prices and come up with innovative ways to market the homes and make buyers less anxious about taking the plunge, such as promising to refund the difference if the prices subsequently drop within two years of the sale.”
“Ghielmetti said the auctions may help the market in the long term by removing excess inventory. But the auctions have definitely hurt his sales in the short-term. When Eight Orchids announced its auction, nothing moved at Broadway Grand for six weeks. After the auction, Signature sold two units. When Jade announced its auction, the same thing happened.”
“Still, he believes Broadway Grand is reasonably priced for the market, now he just needs to convince nervous buyers. ‘In 20 years people will say ‘I wish I bought in 2008,’ he said. ‘It won’t stay like this forever.’”
The Tracy Press. “For close-up view of what ails the nation’s economy, look no further than San Joaquin County. The March jobless rate climbed to 10.3 percent, up from 9.9 percent in February and from 8.2 percent in March 2007.”
“The March statistics suggest there’s more at work than normal cycles. Foreclosures, tight credit, layoffs and a weak dollar are also making a difference. ‘It’s not just the San Joaquin Valley that’s being impacted,’ said Liz Baker, a labor market analyst with the state Labor Market Information Division. ‘It’s every county in the state.’”
“The mortgage meltdown also continues to be felt. RealtyTrac shows nearly 9,000 homes in San Joaquin County in some state of foreclosure — 1,537 in Tracy alone.”
“And there isn’t any immediate help in sight, as many in the real estate sector foresee a continued housing drain through 2008 and into 2009. Grace Alvarez, a real estate agent for 20 years in Tracy, expects another wave of adjustable loan trouble in the early summer.”
“‘Those folks are going to be in dire straits again,’ Alvarez said. ‘That’s depressing, but that’s just the nature of the beast.’”
“Now the county’s Achilles’ heel, falling housing prices could turn out to be the key to reigniting the area’s economic engine. ‘It’s the best thing that could happen,’ said Jeffrey Michael of the University of the Pacific’s Eberhart Business Forecasting Center. ‘It’ll get buyers back in and get activity going again.’”
“Lower housing costs present an opportunity for working families, as many who could only rent during the housing bonanza can now become owners. ‘I am so busy with buyers,’ Alvarez said. ‘Most of them are first-time buyers now, because now they have the opportunity to buy a home for the first time in their lives because the market has dropped so dramatically.’”
“John Solis, who is responsible for helping foster economic growth in San Joaquin County, also sees hope for the future. ‘Industries will continue to move into this area, because it lends itself for opportunity to growth,’ he said. ‘And the cost of real estate has gone down, and that will likely stimulate individuals coming into the area.’”
The Fresno Bee. “Investment groups and home builders are starting to buy excess lots from distressed developers in the central San Joaquin Valley, leading some observers to think the real estate slump may be close to playing itself out.”
“The practice is textbook and happens in every real estate cycle — the last time in the early 1990s. Developers wind up with excess lots after a booming market and want to get them off their books.”
“‘They are a liability to a builder until they build a house on it,’ said Robin Kane, a real estate analyst and broker in Fresno. ‘On every transaction where there is a loser, there also is a winner.’”
“John Trotter hopes he’s one of those winners, and he’s gambling that his read on the market will pay off. ‘We think the bottom is near,’ said Trotter, senior VP of San Diego-based Capstone Advisors.”
“The company is financing acquisitions and buying land to hold until prices rise, and then plans to sell it back to developers. ‘We hold for three or four years and wait for a recovery,’ Trotter said.”
“Capstone has completed two deals, spending about $20 million, and is considering more. Trotter has looked at deals in the central San Joaquin Valley but hasn’t completed any.”
“Prices of raw land in Fresno have fallen 30% to 40% over the past several years, making them more attractive to speculators. And finished lots also have declined in value.”
“Longtime Fresno builder John Bonadelle said he bought land in the Fancher Creek project from Dallas-based Centex Homes last year. Centex officials declined to comment. In Sacramento, privately held Elliott Homes Inc. paid $10 million for 400 acres of excess land last month.”
“Financial institutions foreclosing on land will be the next big sellers of subdivisions, analysts said. ‘The foreclosures are starting to happen,’ said Eric Segal, a real estate appraiser in Fresno. ‘A number of properties have been in default and gone to auction.’”
“The tough times also allow small companies with low overhead to offer more. Purchasers at Elizabeth Heights in Fresno can buy a house ranging from 1,536 square feet to 1,932 square feet for $199,900 to $230,500. The homes have tile entries, larger secondary bedrooms, a tankless energy-efficient water heater and lots of storage.”
“At Laurel Tree in Fresno, buyers can choose from six models ranging from $189,950 to $329,950. With standard features such as tile floors, maple cabinets, tankless water heaters, kitchen appliances, backyard landscaping and finished garages, the houses go way beyond what most first-time home buyers get.”
The Daily Press. “The housing slump has driven several local suppliers of construction materials out of business, and those who remain are hard pressed to find customers for their wares in the High Desert. Supplies of lumber, glass and cement have outstacked demand in the Victor Valley and Buck Byers, co-owner of Barr Lumber in Victorville, said the many unsold houses in the area are to blame.”
“‘Until that God awful number of unsold houses diminishes, I wouldn’t look for too much change in Victor Valley,’ said Byers, who started working in a lumber yard in 1974 and now owns six Barr Lumber locations.”
“Byers thinks the housing recession between 1991 and 1994 lasted longer in Southern California also because of unsold, overpriced houses.”
“‘There’s way more people to supply lumber than there are construction customers for lumber, so glass and windows have got to be in the same jam,’ said Byers. ‘Almost every segment of construction supply is.’”
“After closing its doors in Barstow and Hesperia, H&E Hardware closed its final store recently in Victorville, where All-Star Materials masonry yard also recently went out of business. This came as a shock to fellow Victorville hardware supplier Ron L. Reyes, owner of A&L Builders Supply since 1977.”
“‘Ever since the housing market failed everything went with it,’ said Reyes.”
“Byers expects building suppliers should dig in for low sales into mid-2009. ‘All of them seem to last about a year, but this time we pushed prices to an all-time high so it might last longer,’ said Byers. ‘We’re coming off of the best demand you’ve ever seen from 2004 and 2005, when people were begging for lumber and glass, and now you need to beg to ship to them.’”
Holy hand grenades of Antioch!
S.P.Q.A.
“Frustrated with banks that refuse to renegotiate home loans, residents gathered outside the Antioch branches of three national banks Friday afternoon to voice their discontent.”
I would pay big bucks to see them gassed and tasered
I would chip in on that. Why didn’t the reporter write, “frustrated by their inability to live financially responsible lives, residents gathered outside……looking for somebody to blame.” The banks were irresponsible but they are getting their punishment in the form of having to foreclose so many homes. I think these fools think the banks love to foreclose. Stupidity, in any language, is still stupidity.
Remember when Bush said go out there and spend to beat the terrorists. What a dumb azz!
Are you sure he didn’t tell us to go out there and borrow ourselves into bankruptcy to beat the terrorists… i think i remember him saying that.. hmm…
Ah well, who cares.. He’s a dumb azz anyway. Right?
Canadians wonder how he got elected to the Presidency in the first place, not to mention how he ever got re-elected.
.. and we wonder if covering Canada, America’s hat, with our protective military umbrella is somewhat redundant, and a waste of resources..
Yes, and in comparison we Canadians elected the brilliant Stephen Har…. oh, never mind.
NR
Greedy bankers and home builders are still use to their “bubble” fees, bonus, etc and want to hold onto the past when pushing paper loans and builders “take a number and wait in line” or sleep over for a chance to buy a house in our development now before the prices go up more. Perhaps there will be fewer Christmas presents under the tree for 2008?
re: renegotiating the home loans, is it possible for a bank to renegotiate a loan from 30 years to 40 years? Or is it better for the banks to deal with forclosures?
Why extending a mortgage 10 more years doesn’t work,
$400,000 loan at 5% 30yr fix = $2147.28 Total pmt = $773,023
$400,000 loan at 5% 40yr fix = $1928.78 Total pmt = $925,817
It gets even worse with a 100 year mortgage.
$400,000 loan at 5% 100yr fix = $1678.09 Total pmt = $2,013,709
You save very little money by extending a loan and pay lots more money over the life of the loan.
Oh no, no, no…
Who cares about paying the loan off? Remember, as the NAR is now telling us, homes double in value every 10-15 years. So, these clowns want these “products” so they can sell in 5 years and claim the riches that they are entitled to.
(FWIW, I’ve also seen this logic used by those who buy a $600K home instead of the $300K home they can actually afford. Afterall, 100% of a bigger number is a bigger number….oy!)
was there anyone rallying when home prices were going up to have their mortgage go up?
We bought are 1500 sf mudhut in 1984 new. Paid it off in (24) years. We never had a HELOC and never will. We added a nice enclosed deck in 1998 and paid for it via some savings (not all). Some proceeds were via life insurance. 5% interest. Can you beat that. Paid off. Now moms can plant me in a manner that I could care less about.
(1) credit card which is not used very often and paid in full.
We have never used an ATM in our life. Suspect that we never will. What is ATM, in any case?
I told the head of the house during the “Left Coast” bubble that we should move our mudhut to “Caliphoney”
She said NAH! What are you going to do with the finished basement?
I said, we will just move it over the FAULT!
She hit me!
Perhaps your church could tithe you over these hard times, but they tend to be one-way streets when it comes to matters of money…
“Bernice Ramos is six months behind on her mortgage payments, which ballooned up to $5,600 a month on her $500,000 house which has lost half its value. Her husband is working less and the bank has sent letters threatening foreclosure. She’s packing boxes because she thinks they’ll be kicked out next month.”
“‘All of these people are in the same situation. That’s why we’re here together with our church, we decided to start doing something so somebody will listen to us,’ said Ramos.”
Why don’t they pray for a miracle ?
They already got a miracle. That occurred when they were allowed to buy a $500,000 home in the first place. Something tells me that miracles are not the things they need. They just need some good old fashioned common sense.
The prey, pray.
LOL THAT COMMENT MADE MY DAY
What’s there problem ? They lived 6 month for free and now they want another check ?
The sense of false entitlement in the country has deep roots…
True. They could have gone to work instead, but that’s too damned hard. No one forced them to buy an overpriced home they couldnt afford.
(Thinking out loud - an to no one in particular).
Antecedally:
I have seen ones that live off the backs of others;
Young ones with little hope in their eyes, for all that is left is a service wage;
Tuition rising, and no guarantee that the major one choses will support them in tomorrow’s climate;
The generation divide;
The debasing of manufacturing;
Apathy;
Theories of how to make America return to Her status as World Leaders vs world jokester.
And yet, Friday, hubby and I went out for 9+ hours yesterday, and everything seemed so normal.
We did some shopping *(clothes, food, whatnots; ran a few errands; drove 175 miles), and the only sign of distress we witnessed were TONS of empty subdivisions!
People were spending (I actually pay attention now, thanks to all who post here) with cash and credit.
We ate lunch and dinner in two different locations, and both had good business, about 85% capacity.
Sometimes I think I’m living in an alternate reality!
Ya just can’t make this stuff up!
Leigh
Sometimes foreclosure and bankruptcy is what is needed to wake ppl up. They are in a trance and need shock therapy.
‘We want the banks to renegotiate people’s debt so homeowners can keep their homes,’ Cardona said.”
And while we’re wishing for the impossible I’d like a full head of hair, AND the nice bank to forgive my remaining loan balance, and a date with theh swedish bikini team.
Well, the last two are only dependant on cash, cold hard cash.
…in that order, presumably.
I’ll send them over when I’m done.
CCISCO spokeswoman Oliba Cardona said…her group wants banks to lower mortgages to better reflect the property’s market value
When the property’s value appreciates, they want to keep the equity, but when it loses value, they want the banks to take the loss? Since when is the bank supposed to guarantee the value of an asset?
Can you imagine going into the bank and saying “I borrowed $25k from you last year and bought a car, drove the crap out of it and now its only worth $15k. Will you reduce the amount of my loan to reflect the new value of the car?”
The banker would need help throwing you out because he’d be laughing so hard.
“Since when is the bank supposed to guarantee the value of an asset?”
Since about 2003
I bought a stock on margin at 80 dollars. It went down to 50 dollars. I want my brokerage to increase my margin because the stock went down in price… boo, hoo….
‘Industries will continue to move into this area, because it lends itself for opportunity to growth,’ he said. ‘And the cost of real estate has gone down, and that will likely stimulate individuals coming into the area.’”
What Industries might want to move to bumblef*ck California ? And I’m supposed to be “stimulated” by lower cost Real Estate in an area where it ought to be cheap in the 1st place ? Stimulated ? WTF kind of NAR english is this ?
I have a coworker who took a demotion and a pay cut just to get out of the central valley. The cost of real estate is almost irrelevant. That area’s largely a hell hole. Until that changes, costs are secondary.
In a limited sense it might be true. Back in the late 90’s some of the Silicon valley companies were moving satellite and backup centers to the Sacramento area.
They can resume their old role of distant commuting areas. When the prices got up to nearly silicon valley levels that didn’t make any sense, but if they’re going to go back to $200K house prices it starts making as much sense as it did then, modulo $4 gas.
I grew up in the Central Valley and unfortunately, no large corporations want to move there. Most large corporations are global entities and the Cent. Valley lacks people who have the education or experience to help these companies compete on a global scale. Local govt’s make short sighted decisions that prevent companies from moving there such as no investment in transportation to get materials and finished goods to market. I used to think these issues affected rural communities everywhere in America but after visiting Texas, Georgia, Iowa and N. Carolina, I see that there are some rural areas that have their act together and have done a great job at attracting investment. CA Central Valley not so much.
“the houses go way beyond what most first-time home buyers get.”
And so do your prices pal, still WAY too high for whoville.
‘In 20 years people will say ‘I wish I bought in 2008,’ he said. ‘It won’t stay like this forever.’”
20 years ? Why not try 30 and really hedge your bets ! After all we all know people in America are willing to wait a long time to make a few bucks.
I almost barfed I laughed so hard when I read that comment. Not only can they not move the current inventory of newly built condos, but there are even MORE new units going up right now. It’s crazy. In SF there are several new buildings going up, too - high rises. The added inventory combined with the upcoming Alt-A wave… it’s going to get very interesting here.
But even now, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard, “It’s a great time to buy” from friends and colleagues. The advertisers are working overtime trying to keep the market going - even the DJs on the morning talk radio are plugging condos and real estate.
Here in SE Utah, there’s these big black-red ants that bite hard. When you get a stick and stir up their nest, they just go bazonkers (not that I would ever do that, being a nature lover and all). Reminds me of your description, it’s like they know something’s wrong and are compensating by intensity. more energy, run run run… (ouch, dang thing bit me…)
‘When you get a stick and stir up their nest, they just go bazonkers (not that I would ever do that, being a nature lover and all).’
Yes, surely…but we ALSO know that you love to fiddle with things. In a scientificy sort of way, of course.
Have been posting for a while about my tracings of the Morro Bay market, where the number of under-$600K listings is finally double what it was a year and a half ago. You (laughing boy) give me a chance to address this subject, because a bunch of brand new condos have just joined those listings. Heck, I dunno, the new condos may even sell, since the rest of the listings were mostly 20-40 year-old kr@psh@x. One of them is so new it says “almost complete.” They probably have to sell the other five to afford to finish that one. If they’d come to market three years ago, they’d have sold quickly. Yup, I’m saying three years — nothing has been moving much, for more than two years. But it’s just now that the banks or FBs or disappointed investors are suddenly getting the picture and listing and reducing everything all at once.
20 years to break even- thats kinda rough
Debt Reckoning
“Ventura County consumer bankruptcy filings jumped 122 percent last year as lenders toughened refinancing requirements, area bankruptcy attorneys say. The days of being able to ‘refinance away’ problems, as has been a tradition in California, are over, said Michael Sment, chairman of the Ventura County Bar Association’s Bankruptcy Section.”
“Byers expects building suppliers should dig in for low sales into mid-2009. ‘All of them seem to last about a year, but this time we pushed prices to an all-time high so it might last longer,’ said Byers. ‘We’re coming off of the best demand you’ve ever seen from 2004 and 2005, when people were begging for lumber and glass, and now you need to beg to ship to them.’”
The next step will be actual begging, performed by somebody with a median income job, as you pass them by in your car…
‘We think the bottom is near,’ said Trotter, senior VP of San Diego-based Capstone Advisors.”…“The company is financing acquisitions and buying land to hold until prices rise, and then plans to sell it back to developers. ‘We hold for three or four years and wait for a recovery,’ Trotter said.”
LOL. Wrong on both counts. Barnum was right, there is a sucker born every minute.
Why is we here know that we face more than 3 or 4 years of increasing foreclosures and more inventory coming on line and this overpaid assclown VP of an investment firm doesn’t ?
The power of optimistic thinking?
Cinch
My guess (and just a guess) is that they don’t have much of their own money invested but are using OPM. Their profits are from fees that they charge to the investors. They have to keep this up to stay alive. The investors are conditioned to always buy on the dip as that has worked for the last 25 years -of course there is no guarantee it will work this time.
The Alt-A crisis is forming nicely, these people are screwed. Three to four years, try twenty years.
“Bernice Ramos is six months behind on her mortgage payments, which ballooned up to $5,600 a month on her $500,000 house which has lost half its value.”
Another example of how the MSM is still getting it wrong.
The sentence should read “… on the house she foolishly bought for $500,000 that’s worth less than $250,000, perhaps as little as $150,000.”
“property values in San Jose lost 11.2 percent, San Francisco lost 14.1 percent, Los Angeles lost 19.3 percent and real estate in Sacramento is down 29.8 percent, which is the most in the nation.”
-These reports are actually trailing indicators of closed sales…they are the values that were paid several months ago. So todays price is probably down another 20% here in SoCal.
Another 3 years of 20% annual declines should do the trick. Housing would then be in line with income.
“We’re seeing people who in the past may have been able to refinance their way out of debt, but now many lenders are out of business. Lenders now require proof of income, tax returns. ”
Barney Frank: please read the above passage.
“Supplies of lumber, glass and cement have outstacked demand in the Victor Valley ”
Empty houses and foreclosures have outstacked demand also.
I easily outstacked the guys next to me.
Mirror mirror on the wall, why’d you give those loans out to all?
“‘It’s a train wreck,’ said Louis J. Esbin, president of the Central District Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys Association. ‘We’re seeing people who in the past may have been able to refinance their way out of debt, but now many lenders are out of business. Lenders now require proof of income, tax returns. No longer can a person who fogs a mirror get a loan.’”
refinance their way out of debt
Now there’s another phrase for the bubble scrapbook.
Gosh, no kidding.
‘refinance their way out of debt’…
Huh? Bang my noggin, and see if that makes sense to me then, because I am just not grasping the concept here.
I was just going to say… WTF!? Refinance your way OUT of debt??
Giving them all possible credit, I guess they mean, refinance their way into a lower overall monthly payment.
I wish the days of mirror fogging were 100% over.
Loans are getting to reasonable under-witting standards, but they aren’t quite there yet.
J6P somehow still doesn’t get it… oh well. Patience. That’s all that is required at this point.
Lightsaber
So when are they going to run out of greater fools in CA. It looks to me from reading the articles that almost everyone buying now still does not have a good down payment and will be underwater in a few years. And thus the next crop of foreclosures. I think whats happened in a few of these areas is that prices are now low enough to get FHA loans but we know the default rates on these can be high.
The CA bust is going to be of epic proportions. We are replacing current foreclosures with new foreclosure candidates at what seems to me to be pretty much a constant rate if its not higher. You have to think that idiots buying now where not even able to pass the fog a mirror check of the past. Its only with prices now low enough to use FHA that they are getting sales.
RE: The CA bust is going to be of epic proportions.
“Bernice Ramos is six months behind on her mortgage payments, which ballooned up to $5,600 a month on her $500,000 house which has lost half its value.
With numbers like this involved, I think that might be an understatement.
“We are replacing current foreclosures with new foreclosure candidates at what seems to me to be pretty much a constant rate if its not higher.”
Be greatful this is happening. The new money will help ease the slide, will allow prices to gradually decline rather than crash.
Be also greatful for the NAR and their promotional BS; These are the guys that will persuade the knifecatchers to sacrifice their money to the System, money the System desperately needs.
Real Estate: The Great Wealth Re-Distribution Machine.
after buying in 1991 my hood may finish out the year at inflation + 1%
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
RE always goes up
“Frustrated with banks that refuse to renegotiate home loans, residents gathered outside the Antioch branches of three national banks Friday afternoon to voice their discontent.”
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“There is nothing more foolish, nothing more given to outrage than a useless mob.”
Herodotus
RE: No longer can a person who fogs a mirror get a loan.’”
I’ll bet the world wide bagholders with their billions of worthless MBS’s just love reading this rear view mirror comment about the quality of origination underwriting standards.
Their MBS is probably still rated “AAA” by Standard & Poors and Moody… Thank God you can still stand behidn those great objective rating firms!
“Juan and Josephine Ramirez moved into their $375,000 house in Antioch three years ago. The initial monthly payment on their adjustable-rate mortgage was $2,700. Now, it’s $3,200. ‘It’s impossible,’ Josephine said. ‘We are trying to maintain the payments on our credit cards.’”
“The couple, who have two young children, said homes in their neighborhood are now selling for $150,000.”
$375,000 - $150,000 = a $225,000 contribution to some investment bank’s billions and billions of subprime writedowns from just this one household…
“The Sierra Nevada snowpack has shrunk to 67% of normal, down sharply from 97% in late March, according to results of the snow survey, released Thursday by the state Department of Water Resources.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-snowpack2-2008may02,0,6563964.story?track=rss
If I owned a house anywhere in SoCal, i’d sell it at whatever the current market might bear…
The drought is real, this is not a drill.
The water contractors are going to fight every drip, funny how the last housing mess was coupled with a drought. This one will be worse, by a far stretch.
I looked at those snowpack charts you linked the other day. It seems we are not at the worst drought in even recent times. The graph line for this year seemed in the middle somewhat.
As someone who works with Utilities districts you are overstating the problem. Yes there is a problem but it can be solved fairly easily by increasing rates on certain obscenly low agriculture rates.
“‘A lot of us are going into foreclosure, or in danger of going into foreclosure,’ said protester Luis Flores, who could no longer keep up with the $4,000 monthly payment on the home he’s lived in for seven years. ‘It came down to paying the bank or buying food.’”
Ok. What’s wrong with this picture? This guy has been a homedebtor since 2001, which means he made his move well before the peak. I think we have a serious case of interest-only, ARM, pick-a-payment situation or a serial HELOC. Could he have signed up for a 5 yr ARM and now finds that he did not ready himself for the reset??
Voicing their discontent. I would love to voice my discontent with the cable company regarding the ever increasing cable rates over the years, but they surely won’t be reducing my bill. I have to either pay up as it increases or change/reduce my cable viewing options.
BayQT~
BayQT~
A hundred bucks a month more or less for 20 minutes of tv and 40 minutes of commericals per hour
Crazy, isn’t it? My daughter/SIL have told me that they’ve already reduced theirs to about $20/month….very minimal. Mine is around $75 with the digital option, no premium channels. Soon we’ll have to deal with HD programming, 4:3 aspect on a HD TV, stretched out pictures or black bars to fit the picture….Ugh! What a pain.
BayQT~
Just tell the cable co. you want to cancel, and they will give you a deal, you shouldn’t even have to speak w/a ‘manager’
I’ll try that. Thanks.
BayQT~
It’s worth the exra $6/month to get the DVR box. Don’t watch anything live anymore and don’t watch commercials. I watch what I want when I want.
“Frustrated with banks that refuse to renegotiate home loans, residents gathered outside the Antioch branches of three national banks Friday afternoon to voice their discontent.”
“CCISCO spokeswoman Oliba Cardona said…her group wants banks to lower mortgages to better reflect the property’s market value
Oliba, you clown. You and your group (and a bunch of other a$$hats) forget is that the bank ACTUALLY gave you whatever the loan balance amount. The fact that you chose to spend it on an overpriced POS is irrelevant to me. You should pay back the amount you received. End of rant.
“CCISCO spokeswoman Oliba Cardona said…her group wants banks to lower mortgages to better reflect the property’s market value”
I can’t even believe this crap. It’s just unbelievable.
Can I join these protestors in Antioch against Countryfried? My house is worth more than my mortgage balance. I can pay my mortgage and am current. But I would love to have the Tan Man cut my mortgage balance in half just because he is a nice guy. Are you listening Mozillo? I won’t be holding my breath waiting for an answer.
I am getting sick of the daily listings I receive from Ziprealty with all homes coming to market in Danville, Alamo, LaFayette, San Ramon and Walnut creek at the $1mil or more level. How are all these listings going to sell?? Who’s going to give any loans?? Who’s buying?? How can this continue? Is it a matter of the stupid, greedy homedebtors and realtorwhores still listing at wishing prices?? When are they going to wake up and when are the banks going to start liquidating all these houses they are holding? Does everyone think there is a “greater” fool out there who is going to buy their POS???
Pardon my typing on comment regarding Tan Man and nice guy. I know they are opposites.
We want the banks to renegotiate people’s debt so homeowners can keep their homes,’ Cardona said.”
These homedebtors can keep their homes. All they have to do is pay their freakin’ mortgage.
I’ll depend on my old 32 inch, bunny ears, gubermint converter box when the local news attempts to notify me the world has totally gone to Hell in a handbasket.
I hope that I’m snorkling nekkad somewhere around St. Thomas with a young chick when that show comes on
There is a sense of entitlement in the nation beyond basic providing of schools and welfare that scares me. people think that if they are hurting someone should help them. people are protesting for lower mortgages. people are protesting high diesel prices.
the fact that we could hit hard economic times and possible (hyper?)inflation with this sense of entitlement scares me.
Add a couple hundred million handguns into the mix, just to see what happens…
As Ron Paul would likely say, maybe providing self-esteem/indoctrination facilities (aka government schools) and welfare is a slipperier slope than you think.
’ssshrubery says the eCONomy is going to “come on” due to his stimulus package, but I don’t think he has any idea what a “come on” he is.
But thankfully he’ll be replaced at the end of the year with a left-leaning, megalomaniacal socialist do-gooder. That is, if McCain wins.
There are probably worse jobs than to be our next president.. i just can’t think of any.
Watching the Suze Orman show, the current caller is a Cali RE agent who’s been in the business for 17 years and has 6 properties. He doesn’t want to sell them, and is asking I think if he should dip into savings, 401K etc. to cover himself ’til things recover. She told him to sell the properties.
Lol, her next caller was a realtor whose daughter bought a house against her advice and now wants the caller to lend her 90K out of her 401K so she could get out from under the house.
Derby Day Trivia:
The last time a horse won the Derby from post position 20, as Big Brown did today was…1929…Hope y’all aren’t superstitious, or that history doesn’t repeat itself !
Big Brown is a great horse ,but the race was destroyed for me because of the the second place horse dying . Interesting that the owner of Big Brown is a Wall Street guy who sold shares of Big Brown .
So,if your looking for omens …..Wall Street won the race and they sliced and diced the ownership of a great horse ,but the filly that came in second place ,died right after the race . So………..
On tomorrow’s front pages and for weeks to come, PETA will act like the fate of the 2nd place horse is extremely upsetting, but they can’t get really upset about it..
They can finally emerge from their caves and catch a few rays.. it’ll also bring in a barrel of much needed donation dollars.
I agree with the comment that was made about people and entitlement. It is down right scary what people seem to think. They borrowed $500K. The owe $500K. The fact their POS is now worth $250K is irrelevant to me. They GOT $500K and chose to spend it on an overpriced Mc$h!tbox is their problem.
http://www.zillow.com/HomeDetails.htm?zprop=16479646
Another example of a idiot overpriced TO home.
Energy is today’s crisis in terms of the cost; however water will be tomorrow’s crisis……….