A Subprime Loan For California
The North County Times reports from California. “Residents in a neighborhood on the southeast border of the city said last week a financial agreement between a wireless company and several homeowners could drive down area property values. Not only will an ‘unsightly’ cell phone tower depress home values, but the Hillegeists devalued property values for the entire neighborhood when they sold their home for more than 20 percent less than what area homes were selling for at the time, said June Rady, a Park Hill Lane resident.”
“Paisley Hillegeist said she and her husband dropped the selling price of the property from $515,000 to $380,000 only because they couldn’t find a buyer after Cricket’s plans for the cell phone tower plan ran into a snag. Paisley Hillegeist said…she and her husband were just in a hurry to get out from under the mortgage.”
“‘There’s nothing underhanded going on here,’ she said.”
The Ventura County Star. “Oxnard is ground zero for foreclosures in Ventura County. About one-third of the 1,500 foreclosures last year were in Oxnard. The pace has quickened this year, with about 1,000 Oxnard homeowners in default on loans and about 432 in foreclosure since Jan. 1.”
“Even with the proposed laws and local codes, it will be a challenge to keep pace with the growing number of foreclosures in the city. Christina Galindo, an Oxnard Code Compliance officer, already has a caseload of more than 100 homes.”
“‘I can honestly say we’re staying on top of it,’ she said. ‘The banks and Realtors have been cooperative, but (the Realtors) are saying they’re overwhelmed.’”
The Bakersfield Californian. “Tim Fryer is stuck with $7,000 worth of useless letters for the entryway of a tract gone bust. The Bakersfield signmaker is among many local companies scorched by the bankruptcy of Sacramento developer Dunmore Homes Inc.”
“‘I paid out of pocket,’ said Fryer, owner of Victory Signs, about two cast-metal sets of logos, vowels and consonants spelling ‘Diamond Ridge’ that now gather dust in his shop attic.”
“The 319-home subdivision in southwest Bakersfield won’t go forward under the Dunmore name. The homebuilder’s assets are currently being liquidated in a federal district court in Sacramento.”
“From the outside, it looks like any other subdivision sprouted during the recent boom. A block wall rings the perimeter. Signs advertise homes from 1,457 to 3,596 square feet. Flags boasting the Dunmore name whip overhead on white poles.”
“A closer look shows telltale signs of the bust that’s broadsided buyers and builders alike. The wall? Chunks along McCutchen are knocked down, bricks laying in dirt next to open trenches tangled with wiring. The flags? Tattered. Roads with gem-based names — Aquamarine, Moonstone, Sapphire — carve through the tract but remain unpaved.”
“And it won’t be the last developer bankruptcy to touch Kern. ‘I think we’re going to see a lot more of these,’ said T. Scott Belden…one of several lawyers working on the Aleco case., as developers who bought land during the boom struggle. ‘They can only hold on for so long.’”
The Mercury News. “Here’s the latest fallout from the ever-widening housing crisis: The West Nile virus could be breeding in neglected swimming pools of foreclosed homes.”
“A survey plane will fly at an altitude of 5,000 feet over parts of San Jose, Campbell, Cupertino, Gilroy, Los Gatos, Morgan Hill, Monte Sereno and Saratoga.”
“‘It’s an unfortunate predicament that people are in,’ said Tim Mulligan, manager of Santa Clara County’s Vector Control District. ‘One of the first things to go bye-bye for a resident in foreclosure is pool maintenance. It’s a drain on their resources.’”
“Homeowners who fail to address a public health nuisance by not maintaining their pools could be fined $1,000 a day.”
From ABC 7 News. “With home prices dropping all over the Bay Area, how do you get gun-shy potential buyers back into the housing market? One homebuilder’s idea is to guarantee that you won’t lose any money if your home’s value drops after the purchase.”
“Lynne Herendeen is not only getting her dream home in Livermore, she’s also getting a promise: if she and her husband decide to sell in the next two years and the developer is selling similar homes in the neighborhood at a lower price - he’ll refund them the difference in cash.”
“If the deal had been in place two years ago, the developer would have lost in this gamble. When Herendeen first started looking at these homes two years ago, they were priced in the $600,000 range, now they’ve dropped into the $400,000 range. The deal is also good while they’re in escrow. If the developer drops his prices again, he has promised to make up the difference.”
“‘It’s a fabulous deal because of how bad the economy is now. We’re not going to close for six months so there’s a good chance that prices may drop by then,’ said Herendeen.”
“The president of Signature Properties says the company has never made an offer like this in its 25 year history. But he also says the company has never seen a market quite like this.”
“‘There are a lot of people that would like to buy something, but no one wants to make a ‘bad decision,’ and so we thought let’s put together a program that combats that fear,’ said Michael Ghielmetti, President, Signature Properties.”
“UC Berkeley Business School Professor Tom Davidoff of the Haas Real Estate Group predicts that we haven’t hit the bottom yet. ‘There’s no way prices fall 30-40 percent around Stockton and don’t fall at all in San Francisco, that just can’t happen,’ said Davidoff.”
Women’s Wear Daily. “The Golden State has lost its economic luster. California, the biggest U.S. market and a bellwether for the nation, is being especially hard hit by the implosion in housing, soaring gasoline and food prices, job cuts and tight credit.”
“Retail sales are down, some stores are scaling back expansion and vendors said customers are late with payments. Even a linchpin $3 billion downtown Los Angeles mixed-use development is being delayed because of financing difficulties.”
“The number of homes going into default in the state doubled in the first quarter, and the 6.2 percent unemployment rate in March was the third highest in the U.S. ‘We’re working hard for every dollar we get in the store today,’ said John Martens, general manager of Neiman Marcus’ Beverly Hills store. ‘It’s not business as usual; times have changed. It’s a very challenging time for us and for most retailers.’”
“‘Credit cards are getting declined like crazy,’ said Michelle Kim, president of a Los Angeles-based company that produces (a) young contemporary label. ‘We’re scared of producing 100 percent of the orders because they’ll cancel before shipment.’”
“Valerie Mamone, owner of Blush Boutique in Sacramento, Calif., which sells designer ready-to-wear, said sales are off about 20 percent compared with a year ago. ‘Our top-end customers are not buying as much because they are probably trying to budget their luxuries,’ Mamone said. ‘Before, that didn’t come into play.’”
“Los Angeles County led the state with 20,339 defaults in the first quarter, a 130 percent jump from last year. In the 12 months ended in February, the Case-Shiller home price index, which measures the value of single-family homes and was released last week, found that in 20 cities, home values decreased 12.7 percent. The declines in Los Angeles, 19.4 percent; San Diego, 19.2 percent, and San Francisco, 17.2 percent, ranked among the largest.”
“‘It’s definitely getting ugly out there,’ said David Solomon, president of NAI ReStore, referring to the vacancy rates. ‘Though there are national differences. California is not getting spared. California is probably among some of the worst, in particular areas of the state like the Inland Empire.’”
“When might the state begin to rebound? Traditionally, California has been slow to pull out of recessions because the source of success — such as the dot-com growth of the Nineties — is the factor that implodes. This time, it is the housing market.”
“‘California disproportionately enjoyed [in the Nineties] from high tech and recently from the construction and mortgage industry and is disproportionately hit harder because of that,’ said Chapman University’s Adibi. ‘Unfortunately, it is going to take us longer to come out of it because of that heavy dependency.’”
The Fresno Bee. “The sagging economy and the housing market collapse are taking down more than just overleveraged homeowners. Businesses in the Fresno area are calling it quits and filing for bankruptcy in escalating numbers.”
“Many bankruptcies are tied to the once high-flying housing market whose bottom fell out last year, leaving subcontractors, real estate agents and mortgage brokers scrambling for financial help. Others, including specialty retailers, suffered from soft sales.”
“With revenue lagging, many troubled business owners turned to their credit cards to keep them afloat, digging themselves deeper into debt and ultimately into bankruptcy, experts said.”
“One of those casualties was the Little Dreamers store that opened two years ago in the trendy Villaggio shopping center in north Fresno. Co-owner Sandy Tacchino said the store was doing well, selling its high-end baby clothing and furniture to customers who appreciated the boutique’s attention to quality and unique items such as an $1,800 dresser/changing table.”
“The store’s sales began to slide last June. To offset the loss, Tacchino cut back on inventory and reduced her employees’ hours. But the cost-cutting wasn’t enough, and Little Dreamers filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy in January.”
“Tacchino said she is relieved to be out from under the financial burden. And she said she has learned there is life after bankruptcy. ‘I know that some people feel ashamed about having to do something like this,’ she said. ‘But I knew that I could not change the circumstances that we were in.’”
“Attorney Hilton Ryder said several of his clients waited too long before filing, eliminating any possibility of saving their businesses.”
“‘They come to me DOA,’ Ryder said. ‘They’ve tried everything they could possibly do to hang on, but the situation never got any better. When they hit my office, they have $30,000, $50,000 and $100,000 on their credit cards.’”
The Sacramento Bee. “California is facing a cash crisis this summer. A lack of cash reserves this year combined with lagging revenues has led officials to predict that the state will run out of cash as early as August, giving lawmakers a smaller-than-expected window to strike a budget deal.”
“California’s credit rating is already among the lowest of state governments.”
“Without a budget in place, the state would have to borrow money from banks at higher interest rates than those they can secure with internal borrowing. Such a move also could negatively affect the state’s credit rating, making future borrowing even more expensive.”
“‘In essence, it’s taking a subprime loan for the state, and it comes with greater costs,’ said state Controller John Chiang.”
“Even as housing prices doubled and the construction industry flourished, most Sacramento County residents saw their incomes effectively drop during the housing boom, according to new state tax figures.”
“Adjusting for inflation, the median income of Sacramento County families who filed joint tax returns fell about 1 percent from 2002 to 2006, according to California Franchise Tax Board figures released this week.”
“‘It’s crazy, man,’ said Anthony Richardson, a Sacramento resident who saw his tiny moving and hauling business suffer during the boom as new, big players crowded him out. ‘I used to go around making money. I was the only one who was doing it.’”
“Several economists said the apparent good times created by the boom masked problems in local sectors not related to housing. And many local residents were fooled into feeling flush by the abundant cash coming in from home equity loans – the same, nonrecurring funds that would later turn into high-interest debt.”
“‘The economic growth year to year was strong but not stellar,’ said Suzanne O’Keefe, an economist at California State University, Sacramento. For part of this period, especially 2003 and 2004, she said, state government was doing poorly because of the deficit.”
“Meanwhile, some of the big, local high-tech companies were downsizing, including Hewlett-Packard in South Placer and Intel in Folsom. ‘We were losing some of our higher-paying jobs,’ O’Keefe said. ‘Much of the job growth was in lower-paying jobs’ like service and retail.”
“The real estate boom may not have helped the Valley as much as other areas because ‘25 percent of the homes were being sold to speculators and non-resident owners. They weren’t reporting income in the region,’ said Carol Whiteside, president emeritus of a Modesto think tank.”
“The Valley also struggled to create jobs quickly enough to keep up with the population boom, Whiteside said. And the quality of the jobs being created wasn’t high end, for the most part.”
“Officials at the Franchise Tax Board cautioned that their income figures show adjusted gross income after exemptions, some of which are related to selling homes. Single filers, for example, get to exclude the first $250,000 in capital gains from a home sale; joint filers get to exclude the first $500,000.”
“But several economists said those real estate gains don’t really matter anyway because, in most cases, people plowed their big gains into another, bigger house. And for those who didn’t sell but borrowed against their ever-increasing equity to buy other things, such gains don’t represent steady income. People may have felt wealthier, but their incomes weren’t really rising.”
“During 2006, the last year of the boom, Sacramento households refinanced at a rate about twice the national average.”
“‘You might be feeling richer and you might be consuming more, but that isn’t taxable income, that isn’t earnings,’ said Deborah Reed, economist at the Public Policy Institute of California. ‘Unfortunately for some people, it wasn’t real in the sense that it’s not there now.’”
“Richardson, the local hauler, never made a huge amount of money to begin with, recalling wistfully that before the boom he earned $300 a day. Since the boom ended, he said, things have gotten worse. Much of the competition that smothered him during the boom is still around fighting for ever-dwindling business.”
“‘Ain’t nobody buying homes,’ Richardson said. ‘That’s a setback, too.’”
“‘Credit cards are getting declined like crazy,’ said Michelle Kim, president of a Los Angeles-based company that produces (a) young contemporary label.
Credit Card defaults are really starting to build up steam. I can not imagine not knowing what my debt was and acting surprised when your card is denied. I have watched it happen may times in stores and the holders don’t seem to be embarrassed. This will end badly, one way or the other.
Imagine having to explain to these very same people that they’re actually going to have to save before they purchase. I can see the “no comprende” look now.
“Imagine having to explain to these very same people that they’re actually going to have to save before they purchase”.
This concept is a totally foreign to a much larger percentage than I had once imagined. Buy now pay later has been encoded into the fabric of our society. The unwinding will take a great deal of time.
Most people haven’t advanced that far yet. They’ve mastered the “buy now” part. It’s that whole “pay later” thingy that seems to be problematic.
It’s worse than that - they don’t think they should have to pay later. Somehow it’s all morphed into: my house is worth less so I shouldn’t have to pay anything I owe to anybody anymore.
Let’s figure out a way to buy my own house in a short sale for $200k less than what I owe. What a tremendous concept that I saw earlier on this blog. Can anyone help me out on this? Some how get a straw buyer, then deed back to me without triggering a due on sale or some such?Maybe using a land contract?
I am going through this right now. My property manager and his partner form an LLC. They bought multiple investment properties, condos, in San Diego and Florida. The one I’m living in cost $299,000 in 2005. Now fast forward to 2008, the condo is now worth $200,000 according to an apprasial done 2 months ago. They stopped paying the mortgage on my unit about 9-10 monthes ago, did not pay property taxes, and stiffed the HOA too. So I get a notice of foreclosure on my condo door, place will be auctioned. They post poine that auction, another month post pone, each time they post poine the value of this place continues to go down. Now with all the money I’ve been paying them in rent which they haven’t been paying the mortgage on, they go out, get a realtor, and the property manager with his inside info of this particular property will go out and buy “our” condo for $200,000 outside of the LLC. The LLC has been dissolved and BK’d so he just got the property for $100,000 less than they paid in the LLC *AND* he has a nice down payment coutesy of me bust my ass a work, and I have nothing but a nice eviction notice, no security deposit, and a nice kick in the ass for playing.
Its late and there is more to it, but bottom line, use a 100% LTV to buy a condo, stop paying mortage, file BK on the corporation you formed that owns the condo, find some sucker to pay you rent (can’t pull landlord’s credit so how would someone know) use that rent income as money in your pocket, once place goes back to bank, simply buy the place back at 1/3 the original cost. BK of your corporation doesn’t pierce corporate veil and all your assets are protected bank gets screwed, renter gets screwed, you win again. I wish their were laws to protect renters in this situation, the banks can reap what they sow.
^ Man that sucks. It took discovering Georgism/geolibertarianism for me to see how hopelessly corrupted our present land economy is.
Mike - is that fraud? If so, turn him in!
Mike I feel ya. I went thru same crap in same city twice. I moved to a less fancy area, but so much more for my money. One LL made me cry alot. I’d talk to you but this is just a blog.
Besides, it isn’t very patriotic. Working and saving…tsk, tsk.
The true patriot spends their Saturday mornings mowing the 3 inches around their 2400 square foot home and their Saturday afternoons at the mall. (Pottery Barn for everyone!)
http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_9164347
http://sbsun.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=510586
“FONTANA - A bank employee stumbled upon a foreclosed house used to grow marijuana, leading to the seizure of an estimated $4.5 million in drugs in two houses and an arrest Saturday.”
My comments:
Is it not surprizing that we hear about these big pot busts inside big Mcmansions in the outer exurbs of LA and the IE? There have been quite a few recenty in areas such as city of industry diamond bar, hacienda hts, SGab valley, walnut, rowland hts, as well as out in the IE. . Not to mention big busts of pot farms in the local mts.
Is greater LA basin becoming a third world corrupt region like Mexico/ tijuana , with local/ imported drug cartels, city street drug runners, large- scale marijuana growing operations?. Or is this just a commonplace occurrance for a large mostly third world ghettoized city like LA , which after all is the focus and world leader of so many illegal imported or home grown criminal syndicate operations, due in large part to a large tractless undocumented population which can conduct its illegal activities using forged/fake /stolen ID docs and identities and easily evade law authorities by slipping in and out of the border.
I further submit the claim that Ca and local city gov’ts have not a clue or simply do not care , and/or are isolated in their cubicles and simply do not have any street knowledge, or may even in a few cases be in on the action.
LA civic leaders have their heads so far up the arse that they cannot see the problem even if it sat on them. T o illustrate, back in the 80’s-90’s every illegal who came across-an estimated 10 million- went straight to Macarther park in westlake district to get fake green cards which instantly gave fabricated right- to- work doc’s. All this took place less than a mile from dwtm la so this crap was conduced right under the noses of La City hall
the city knows what is going on there, I got my fake ID there (to buy alcohol!) back in high school, at McDonalds while waiting for the card to be made a cop said “I know why you kids are here, I would get out of here before you get shot at or robbed” They know full well of the fake documentation shops all up and down the street and dont do anything abouut it, LA truly is a sanctuary city.
You make it sound like every street corner is a gangland shooting. Not the westside, not mid city, not the southbay, not most of hollywood. Follow the money. Ghetto - poverty & crime. High income areas - not so much.
I think Fontana is high on California’s north coast. I would be more surprised if the bank employee did not find pot growing somewhere in the house. It is a different world up there.
Well, today’s CC companies are a lot more careful when it comes to charges, and Fraud check algorithms kicks in quite unexpectedly.
I’ve not carried a CC balance in 10 years, but once in a while, we go shopping, and the CC would be denied at the 4th or 5th store, simply because it is not my normal shopping pattern. I can call the CC company and bitch, or just use a different card.
It may look like I had a balance issue, but I know in fact it’s a CC company issue, and I’m not concerned.
I know in fact it’s a CC company issue, and I’m not concerned. I’d be very concerned if it happened to me while I was trying to fill up my gas tank on a cross country trip.
This is true but I don’t think the “average” credit card holder being turned down because of past shopping patterns.
Actually, come to think of it, if they are over the limit they *are* being turned down because of past shopping patterns.
For some reason every time my spouse goes to the ballpark and starts charging they cc company shuts down the card and calls us.
It only happens at the stadium, which is fine with me, cuz I don’t approve of $9.00 beers and hate that the house is cluttered with Giant’s stuff, considering that they never win.
That’s happen to us too, only to get home to have a message on our machine from the CC’s fraud dept. ,checking to make sure we had the card.
Two years ago, they caught ATM Cash Advances in LV (BofA,formerly MBNA) by calling us one night. They wanted to know if we were home in bed. It didn’t fit our pattern. We are frugal “deadbeats” (pay 100% each month). Evidently someone used our CC number for gambling $. The video camera had a clear picture of the dude. $10,000 in 2 days. They cleaned up our account quickly.No liability, but was it a wakeup call.
“I can not imagine not knowing what my debt was and acting surprised when your card is denied. I have watched it happen may times in stores and the holders don’t seem to be embarrassed.”
I just saw a former neighbor of mine go through a couple of cards this evening at Walmart. He didn’t see me since there was a long line, but he was embarrassed. I would have never figured him to be hanging on by his finger nails. The credit-crunch tsunami has traveled pretty far inland.
“Fresno…$1,800 dresser/changing table.”
I don’t even need to comment.
Well, I will. That is ridiculous. Especially for something that won’t be useful for more than a few years. Even in a multi-child household.
When we were expecting our first child everyone warned us about expensive it would be. In the end, we probably didn’t spend more than $100. Second hand stores, garage sales, relatives, friends, etc… provided the jogger, crib, clothes, etc… You only need that stuff for a short amount of time so it is really easy to recycle. But some parents feel that if you don’t buy the lastest shoes from Baby Gap it reflects badly on your parenting abilities.
How about spending TIME rather than money?
I think the reason people spend so much on baby stuff is because so many parents are so overly concerned about getting the latest-safest-greatest baby stroller/diaper table, etc etc. That’s why the companies that make these are probably making a killing. Same as funerary and burial companies because they know that it’s easy to pull on heartstrings.
You wouldn’t believe how many almost brand-new baby strollers I see sitting in the garbage around where I live. That and basically anything else baby related. If I ever have kids, I wouldn’t be totally against doing some dumpster diving for Jr. Then again, I don’t plan on having any, which might explain a lot!
We have three kids all raised in very expensive areas (we have moved twice since #1, in our third place). Kids are very affordable, provided you don’t go the private school route. What makes kids expensive is our own guilt-ridden, image conscious and deeply insecure selves. I see it all the time.
My kids are throwbacks: hand-me downs, shared rooms, shared baths and shared beds.We do with DVD rentals (we pay $150 for 80 tax inclusive). We occasionally eat out (lunch and usually cheap). They enjoy free activities, books, and time with parents. Important: they appreciate each and every gift and the time we spend together.
Contrast this with the families bleeding money: new clothes and toys bought retail, own rooms (LOL!), frequent eating out and for dinners not lunches (cha-ching!), user-fee activities (what happened to letting them explore and create on their own?), purchase of new release DVDs, own computers, X-Box and other electronic games, no books, no time with Mum and Dad. My kids provide great contrast to kids of relatives, who seem bored with their mound of Xmas gifts.
And our spending habits are reflected in our home purchases. 20% down & no PMI; older 3/2 1700sf home; no granite or steel; a real yard with garden, fruit trees, and raspberry batch; shared room & bath for kids. We have no pool, so 1000 sf bathrooms (LOL!). Ceiling is high upstairs but low downstairs keeping heating costs low despite winters that average in the 20s. And we have no cable TV….radio and DVD’s are fine. We use the library. We would like to keep for 25-30 years. Perhaps remodel when kids get older or grandkids appear. Non-gated community…where we all watch out for each other.
We do have investment homes, but they are consistent with our philosophy: each for lower middle class to professional class. LTV 70-80. No PMI. Cheap financing. Well-placed. Only one in a planned development and has nicest curb appeal in that development so an easy rental. Each recently bought, yet P&I almost fully covered. Great tax breaks thus far. So far great tenants and great property mgrs. We are not making a fortune, but we are actually building equity in this insane market. Investment homes are 33% of net worth, a % that is falling despite appreciating equity as the rest of the portfolio grows.
We have no interest in trading up unless it was an amazing deal. Note that this POV implies we would be leaving money on the table. However, and this point is nontrivial, we avoid the trading up psychology since it is at odds with the philosophy of deep value investing.
Trading up is a suckers game. Works great when there is irrational euphoria. It is a cheap thrill similar to gambling. You lose in the trasnaction costs, you lose in stress, and you lose sight of the fundamentals. I’ll leave those investments for others. Our net worth has been climbing 20% a year for some time. I’ll stick with what works and what we can live with. Besides, we would rather buy a foreclosed home at deep discount.
Our investment portfolio has no high-flying stocks. We only buy good companies after they have been beaten down considerably. For example, we did not dollar-cost-average buying Citibank at $45-$55/share, but did buy 1 few hundred shares when the price plummeted to $20. We do our own analysis. We most definitely do not listen to the talking heads whose vested interest is to pump and dump stocks to maximize their profits not to give sage and objective advice. We buy for the intermediate and long term and try to sell high and buy low. We do not chase fads.
On the home front, we invest in “content.” The kids’ schools are chosen for the skills they teach. We supplment their school work with online math courses. Cost is $2K per child per year. We are somewhere between homeschooling and charter schooling. The results have been fantastic. They test 4-5 grade levels above average. We work with them nearly every day.
Finally, my wife and I spend our free time relaxing, sleepign longer hours, sitting in the yard chatting, reading, gardening, cooking, planning, doing stuff with the kids, doing stuff for the kids. Once in a while we share a bottle of wine. Once in a while we are able to see a movie just the two of us. We occasionally have friends over for meals, increasingly so as the kids get more independent. We have a loving marriage that gets stronger each year, where the gains in strength and matched by a willingness to let go of the impetuousness and arrogance of youth.
When we travel, we go budget all the way, despite the appalling cattle-car tactics of the airline industry. We go budget hotels. Rent budget cars up to mid-size. We avoid commericalized theme parks and go instead for local parks. We enjoy nature and camping with standbys like pork & beans, smores, and dogs, although the occasional steak and chicken breast hits the grill.
Bottom line: kids are affordable because we make them affordable. We make them affordable because we are deep value investors. We are deep value investors, becuase we are trying to make life work for us and not against us. We really don’t try to chase anyone, any image or anything, really. We only wish to realise the potential of the good life at each of its stages. Finally, we remian open to new ideas, POVs and strategies. We do so becuase we are inherently humble and know full well that we only have one shot to live each year and that the experiences of others can be instructive and superior to our own.
Most people don’t have kids today, they have accessories. Ours are 100% kids whom we know we will have for life. We have planned and acted accordingly.
You’re lucky to have friends and relatives who are willing to give you things.
Why wouldn’t your friends and relatives share? I passed on loads of good usable clothing. I shared with my friends and relatives and they shared with me.If it’s not worn out or stained it’s ridiculous not to pass it on to someone who can use it or at least donate it to charity.
When my kids were teenagers we shopped at the local thrift stores. My youngest has the Hot Topic discount (40%) now so they don’t shop the thrifts as much. It was a win, win. My kids got fashionable (Charlotte Russe, Wet Seal) brand new clothes, I paid one quarter to one third of retail and the charity made money.
Another boutique bites the dust!
And consider this statement:
“O’Keefe said. ‘Much of the job growth was in lower-paying jobs’ like service and retail.”
Can there even be a more omnious sign regarding employment? I hope not too many economists are pinning their hopes on those sectors - the April #’s were bogus. Pretty soon it’ll only be the civil servants keeping SBUX afloat.
And that ladies and gentlemen is exactly why they still live in Fresno.
Yup..before this mess is over, some of those Fbs little princes and princesses may be sleeping IN the dresser drawers like in the depression days.
“Even as housing prices doubled and the construction industry flourished, most Sacramento County residents saw their incomes effectively drop during the housing boom, according to new state tax figures.”
“Adjusting for inflation, the median income of Sacramento County families who filed joint tax returns fell about 1 percent from 2002 to 2006, according to California Franchise Tax Board figures released this week.”
“‘It’s crazy, man,’ said Anthony Richardson, a Sacramento resident who saw his tiny moving and hauling business suffer during the boom as new, big players crowded him out. ‘I used to go around making money. I was the only one who was doing it.’”
“Several economists said the apparent good times created by the boom masked problems in local sectors not related to housing. And many local residents were fooled into feeling flush by the abundant cash coming in from home equity loans – the same, nonrecurring funds that would later turn into high-interest debt”
These paragraphs really say it all. Who couldn’t see the disaster coming?
I’m watching it happen here to a nice couple who have had a junk shop in the same location for many years. They weren’t making a huge amount of money, but it was a viable small business that did OK during normal economic times. They’d go to penny ante local auctions and pick up a bunch of furniture and knick nacks and tools and household stuff and often I’d find a real treasure among all the junk, and their prices were great. Since the housing bubble, they’ve found less stuff at the auctions, with more competition, much of it from Mexican and Central American immigrants, one of whom opened a store a few doors down to compete with them. They’ve cut back their hours and are pursuing other lines of work. It sucks, I loved their place, it was junky but fun and they always gave me a fair shake. They still do, when I come in.
Target those resources, Palm. Your $ is your real vote - unlike that dog and pony show in November.
Speaking of junk, the Flea Markets in the Bay Area used to be real nice junk/treasure venues. I’ve been here 8 years and since then, the amount of stolen stuff has intensified. Mostly Hispanic dudes with big unmarked vans. They tend to sell loads of what appear to be stolen power tools, really nice bicycles, laptops, CD’s, Games, flatscreen TV’s, and loads of unopened merchandise still in the boxes. I wonder how in the hell they manage to steal that much. It’s really disgusting too because you’ll see construction workers buy the stuff.
Why don’t the cops do a sting or something?
Maybe they need a tip.
Here in Tucson, we have an anonymous tip line called 88-CRIME. Like 911, the 88-CRIME line is open 24/7.
” the amount of stolen stuff has intensified. Mostly Hispanic dudes with big unmarked vans. They tend to sell loads of what appear to be stolen power tools, really nice bicycles, laptops, CD’s, Games, flatscreen TV’s, and loads of unopened merchandise still in the boxes. I wonder how in the hell they manage to steal that much”
Quite a bit of that stuff is stolen from warehouses, probably from the shipping /receiving docks as it is sitting on pallets. Likely an inside job: the low- payed dock/ warehouse workers do the theft after hrs or comeback late at night with their confederates, reopen the warehouse and make off with the loot. In LA 80-90% of the bottom end warehouse workers/loaders are Hispanic as is 70% of the local delivery drivers. Not to say that it is only hispanic warehouse workers doing this stealing but it is a matter of percentages.
In inner LA back in the 90’s i saw a lot of this stuff on the streets, dudes selling out of vans, out in back lots, or on lawns in ghetto areas, or just street peddling in Dwtn LA streets. I don’t know how many times i was accosted by some dudes approaching me to buy some unboxed ‘hot’ stereos from out of their vans.
I worked in and around Compton for a time and it was a fact that u could get any thing ‘hot’ in Compton, from glistening 20″ wire rims to illegal Cable boxs.
The same thing is happening in the flea markets in Las Vegas.
Our local libraries have music CDs , new DVD movies for circulation, plus our most high theft items–multimedia language sets teaching Spanish speakers to learn English. Lately we’ve had to employ armed security guards at my work (public library) to discourage theft of library property. Alot of this stuff has been found by the local police being sold at the local swapmeets/flea markets, and the thieves are so bold as not to even bother taking off the library’s markings off of the items.
I see all this for sale at our local swapmeets/flea markets, plus all the other items described by jetson_boy. I no longer shop in these areas because well, the amount of blatantly stolen items for sale disgusts me.
In both percentage and absolute dollar terms, CA’s housing market as a whole was more overpriced at the peak than NV, AZ, or FL.
Good luck!
Arnold taking a subprime loan to run the state. I am glad I am out of that nutfarm he is running which masquerades as a government. It sounds so hilarious. My apologies to the responsible folks here that still remain in CA. Unfortunately, you are in the minority.
For those of us still here, we have one foot in Nevada. . .not that they are doing much better, but at least they don’t have a 20 BILLION deficite facing them. . .this sh$t will really hit the fan this summer when the state has to cut everything from schools to jails to healcare for the elderly. . .there simply isn’t any money to cover all these things.
Personally, I hope it’ll put a bullet in the head of Prop 13.
for those who are unaware, Prop 13 is not just about real estate. Yes, property taxes were reduced by over 50% and increases were limited when it passed, but that’s small potatoes.
Prop 13 says a 2/3 majority in both houses of the state legislature is required to raise any taxes, including the income tax.
Only two types of people want to dump prop 13.. tax-n-spend political pukes and .. the other kind.
A kindred spirit! It’s such a no no to say that in this state, but it’s become a huge rip off for commercial RE and education and the infrastructure have gone in the toilet.
Which is more likely to have sent education in California “down the toilet”:
(1) Prop. 13, notwithstanding the existence of which per-student spending is somewhere north of $10K, much higher in real dollars than it was back when students actually learned something; or
(2) The influx into the state of millions of tough-to-teach ESL kids whose cultural attitude towards education ain’t exactly Indian/Japanese, coupled with the growth of an education bureaucracy that makes rational reform impossible and soaks up an unconscionable amount of the ample money California does dedicate to education.
Oh wait, I know I know I know!! #2!
Though a fair adjustment to Prop 13. Would be to apply this only on primary residences. All commercial property should NOT be under Prop 13.
My girlfriend teaches ELD(english language development, ESL isn’t PC you know, we’re supposed to pretend they’re not illegal) These kids are doomed. THey take the month of Dec. off to go to mexico and fail all their classes(seriously, this is common. I never would have believed it) There’s a reason why the dropout right is 60% plus.
You nailed it, Thomas!
Though I do agree that non-primary residences should not have tax caps.
Please help me understand this line of thought.
The State has had numerous windfalls since the passage of Prop 13 (lottery, dot com era, several housing bubbles, etc.). Tax receipts are currently larger than most countries budgets (California has the 18th largest economy in the world). Every time property changes hands Prop 13 is reset to the current value, and I do believe the State profited handsomely from this latest run up in prices (at least when people were actually paying the taxes). Every flip, every sub prime and every neg-am loan negated Prop 13.
The problem isn’t revenue, it’s (wasteful) spending. The budget has swelled 80% in a decade but yet the schools still plead poverty, freeways can’t be built unless it’s a toll road, pot holes are an everyday annoyance, user fees are everywhere and service is, shall we say, less than average. Am I to believe the solution to all of the State’s problems are to give it yet more?
Look a little further down this thread and you will see why Prop 13 was passed. I understand why some may see it as unfair that they pay more property taxes than a neighbor, but will it really make you feel better to have the tax man dig deeper into your neighbors pocket? Wouldn’t it be better to get him out of yours?
Taxes for services are similar to other states or even on the low side. Things like three strikes causing an explosion in the prison population cost huge amounts, but people are totally unrealistic and prefer to blame politicians for the outcome of their own activism. The vast majority of the California budget comes from income tax on earners of more than $200k. Everything else including property tax is just a left over. The irrationality that passed Prop 13 just feeds on itself.
The education system is the #1 expense in CA, by a long shot.
Take away all the illegal immigrants first, then show me the budget and we’ll discuss higher taxes.
Until then, the state needs to learn how to live with its existing revenues.
Actualy, it’s the Prison Industrial Complex that is the number ONE expense in CA.
Excellent comment on Prop 13 by Suzzane’s Ex!
Arnold served his purpose on day one… anything positive that comes of it later is gravy. The worst he could do is dwarfed by what Davis proved capable of.
It’s not easy to throw out a Governor. Davis was only the second one in the history of the USA to be recalled. Star-power combined with political connections did the trick..
The other was in N Dakota 1921.
“The wall? Chunks along McCutchen are knocked down, bricks laying in dirt next to open trenches tangled with wiring. The flags? Tattered. Roads with gem-based names — Aquamarine, Moonstone, Sapphire — carve through the tract but remain unpaved.”
Salton City?
The Salton City area is a great photographic venue. Especially if you’re into decay. See:
http://www.pbase.com/zeroscan/salton_sea
Now in foreclosure in Santa Barbara: a new 13-unit condo development (the whole caboodle). The developer: Turkish immigrant, real-estate entrepreneur, and Santa Monica resident Adam Pasori. It’s a sad story . . . really, it is. Currently at the Santa Barbara Housing Bubble Blog: bad signage, a fatal plane crash, thirteen mechanics’ liens, and paintballs.
Thanks for reading,
Saint Barbara
p.s. Happy 90th birthday, Mike Wallace!
I Read your story and told some people here in Santa Barbara. Once this ugly project goes into foreclosure those condos will sell for $250K.
Condo sales in South County have crashed as hard as the guy who owned this project. Condos in Goleta and the unincorporated areas between Santa Barbara and Goleta will average $250/square foot, with foreclosures less than that. Compare that too just a few years ago when 1000 square foot condos on gang bang alley Dearborn Place sold for $400K.
“Adjusting for inflation, the median income of Sacramento County families who filed joint tax returns fell about 1 percent from 2002 to 2006, according to California Franchise Tax Board figures released this week.”
Translation? Does it mean not enough couples filed?
Is there no more money to take care of the world population in Los Angeles?
…and the ones living on SSDI and Welfare got 3% raises each year!
What was inflation?
It isn’t SSDI that is the problem. It is SSI (Supplemental Security Income). That is the federal welfare program. SSDI means that someone actually worked and became disabled. SSI means that they worked very little in their life, or not at all.
You’re right! I got them mixed up. I personally know people who never worked a day in their lives, have two kids, and were able to collect $$$ from the government because they’re “depressed.” Well, that makes me depressed, and now even more so because Barack H. Obama wants to quadruple the amount of SS tax I pay.
“Barack H. Obama wants to quadruple the amount of SS tax I pay.”
Is that for real? Just what I want…those leaches sponging me for even more money. For a summer job, I worked at Social Security. The favorite case I knew about involved a pregnant lady that got on SSI because she claimed she was
going to give birth to a snake. Now, she collects about $1000/month from taxpayers for the rest of her life. And her kid…and probably many more of her kids by now…will inevitably be on SSI too.
Whaddayamean San Francisco prices can’t withstand Stockton’s plummet?! ‘Course they can. San Francisco is different.
And Alamo, Danville, Orinda and LaFayette are even more different!! All listings are $1mil +. CRAZY!
To add to the list of crappy reporter and their articles, there was this gem on Sunday from the SLO Tribune:
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/story/350569.html
“Savvy buyers enticed by falling prices, decent inventories and low interest rates are beginning to test the waters again, local real estate experts say”
I found out from the County Recorder that the reporter and her husband (young pathologist in his 30’s) had purchased a $700K lot (NO HOUSE) in
February 2007. I think that explains the poor reporting in the housing bubble.
That last sentence says it all. She’s GF hunting with a vengence.
Give me an address and I can be there with a hand tuned JT in under 7 hours.
Thanks for the link, SLO Bear. It is true that sales were up in April. Unfortunately, so is the pressure from friends and family to buy - no one had been pushing us for the past year or so, which was nice for a change.
I am a bubble believer, so we are continuing to rent. However, if I hadn’t been spending so much time on bubble blogs, we’d probably be house hunting now, too, as we could actually buy a decent SFH in Paso Robles at this point. We both work in San Luis, though, where we couldn’t afford anything but a condo, which makes it easier to be patient.
Here is some news just off the press this afternoon. ‘Homeless illegal alien rents house they don’t own and makes off with $1800 deposits’. Later arrested by Grover Beach police.’ Crime does not pay. This will happen more and more! With rental housing scarcity they should have gotten a bigger deposit or taken deposits from more than one party. hehehehehehehe
Be sure to look in the comments section - the natives are not believing the BS.
The Tribune story talks about foreign buyers and the weak dollar that enables them to get bargains. I hardly think Morro Bay and Paso Robles are going to be propped up by foreign buyers. NYC maybe, and only just maybe.
I have been following this blog for awhile and have read reports that home values are falling across the US the last two years. However, I just received my 2008 Property Value Tax notice today from the Tarrant county appraisal district (arlington, tx) and they appraised my house up 7.5%. This is on top of a 6% increase in the previous year. I know this is not true. They just want me to feed their fat and lazy asses. Any advice on how I can protest this? I probably need some reputable report to prove to them that the market in the Arlington area did went down and not up. Anyone with experience in this topic please help. Thanks in advance
It depends on your county. I’ve contested mine in Florida twice now, and won both times. There’s a form to fill out, a small fee to pay (refundable if adjusted in your favor) and strange requirements, like appearing in person. Since I don’t live near my Florida property, my attorney found a local firm in Orange County that does this. Because of the “economy of scale” (the same firm can do several dozen at a time) the legal costs were reasonable.
Of course, the fact that they assessed a property higher at all is nothing but fraud. There isn’t a single comp for miles around to justify that. But I don’t have time, this year, to fight city hall (for example, sue to recover my time and expenses). Maybe if they raise it again next year and I have more time on my hands!
I think most FB types won’t contest it, because they don’t want “proof” that their house isn’t worth what they think it is. I don’t care! I hate taxes and I want my property appraised for as little as possible.
If you’re in Arizona or Colorado, try:
http://www.taxdetective.com/
You’re right in that it is a scam…98% of Billing errors are in the companies favor. My belief is it is deliberate,and if you catch it…oh well. Most don’t, or too tired or lazy to fight it.
I have been following this blog for awhile and have read reports that home values are falling across the US the last two years. However, I just received my 2008 Property Value Tax notice today from the Tarrant county appraisal district (arlington, tx) and they appraised my house up 7.5%. I know this is not true. They just want me to feed their fat and lazy asses. Any advice on how I can protest this? I probably need some reputable report to prove to them that the market in the Arlington area did went down and not up. Anyone with experience in this topic please help. Thanks in advance
Diamond ridge spelled out twice?
Diagramed, died, dingo, nimrod.
Damaged, dodder, rigid, minion.
I don’t think it is too late to change the name to Cubic Zirconium Gulch.
I think you could write a book about all of the crappy names given to developments in the past 5 years in Cali. My favorite locally is the Berry Gardens, where every street is named after a berry - for example, Olallieberry Blvd.
Okaaay.
Pyrite motherlode !
“Homeowners who fail to address a public health nuisance by not maintaining their pools could be fined $1,000 a day.”
SImple solution. Drain the pool and charge the local kids 5 bucks a head to use your new “skate park.”
I’ve always wondered why people don’t just drain their pools. Does it ruin it to leave it empty or something?
yeah.. they can crack inward and/or be pushed out of the ground. Water/earth pressure on the outside of the pool is balanced by the weight of the water inside.
Some construction designs might be immune. Best consult a pool-company before doing it.
definitely remember a friend’s pool popping out of the ground after he drained it. cost about 10k to have it put back in the ground after all was said and done
LOL floating like a boat.
Governator: No no…….ve vill charge $1000 per mosquito…..$16 billion deficit gone! I’m so smart….no vonder my Caly peoples love me so much.
[T]he Hillegeists devalued property values for the entire neighborhood when they sold their home for more than 20 percent less than what area homes were selling for at the time, said June Rady, a Park Hill Lane resident.”
June Rady looks like what you get when you combine stupidity, malice, and evil into one person! Imagine blaming her neighbors for selling for devaluing your house prices, and going as far as to call them out by name for the local press.
The Hillegeists are survivors.
If she were unstupid, she would keep her mouth shut. The Hillegeists still know where to find her, whereas their own whereabouts are somewhere else.
There’s another word that means unstupid. If I was more unstupid, I know I could come up with it.
Regarding an acquaintance that paid 20% down, no-doc a few weeks back.. nice young couple in a hurry to buy. They got a “good deal” paying about $200K… around a $100K discount. Tight, friendly neighborhood with proud property owners.
The upshot is they tried to introduce themselves to the neighbors and got the cold shoulder from everyone, as if the new comp stole a few $Million from them.. which, in effect, it did.
“‘I paid out of pocket,’ said Fryer, owner of Victory Signs, about two cast-metal sets of logos, vowels and consonants spelling ‘Diamond Ridge’ that now gather dust in his shop attic.”
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I’d like to buy a vowel, is there an IOU?
Wow, paying out of pocket. Now there’s a strange concept - why should a small businessman have to ever bear any risk? Bailout, please.
“Modesto think tank”
Is this possible?
“I happen to think it’s a good idea to offer price insurance to buyers no matter what, I think it’s a good marketing idea,” said Davidoff.
the reason more builders aren’t offering price protection because builder’s are feeling they likely will need to lower prices over the next 2 years in order to survive. If/When this does happen, they will go bankrupt if they lower prices and pay out on their promise or don’t lower prices and not sell any units since they are pricing higher then the rest of the market.
He’s actually surprised there aren’t more offers like this one out there and it’s not like Signature is taking an enormous risk, the average homeowner keeps their home for about seven years.
…i sense may will try to sell 20-23 months into the contract when they find they’re property isn’t going up in value. I think he is right about not really taking a risk, they likely will never be able to pay up all the claims once they file bankruptcy, and without this desparate stunt, they are probably months away from insolvancy.
You hit the nail on the head. This builder offering insurance knows he’ll be out of business in a year and will be protected by filing bankruptcy. Not one dime will be paid out to those dumb people stupid enough to fall for this scam.
y’all beat me to the punch line
It’s all good. Fannie Mae to the rescue: “The government-chartered company will handle refinancings of non-delinquent mortgages for as much as 120 percent of property values when it owns the existing loans, the Washington-based company said today in a statement. Fannie Mae also said it will buy “jumbo’’ mortgages, or those bigger than $417,000, for the same prices as smaller loans.”
Homeowners who fail to address a public health nuisance by not maintaining their pools could be fined $1,000 a day.”
Good luck finding these clowns. They already abandoned the home usually because they ran out of money. Get in line to collect.
This may have been mentioned earlier, but Tropicana LLC has filed for bankruptcy protection. It looks like they speculated in property and then got hit by the gambling and general economic slowdown.
Several hotels are involved.. including the one in LVegas and the two in Tahoe.. the Horizon and MontBleu? I had no idea they owned those two…
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080506/tropicana_bankruptcy.html?.v=8
“UC Berkeley Business School Professor Tom Davidoff of the Haas Real Estate Group predicts that we haven’t hit the bottom yet. ‘There’s no way prices fall 30-40 percent around Stockton and don’t fall at all in San Francisco, that just can’t happen,’ said Davidoff.”
Finally, some common sense from the ivory tower in Berkeley. Where has this guy been the last 5 years? To be fair, perhaps no one in the media wanted to hear what he had to say. Or, on the other hand, maybe he was predicting a permanently high plateau in house prices….
I predict that a year from now….
…no one will recall how inaccurate my predictions were….
Probably a repeat but lower they go in FLA….
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-homes0608may06,0,250627.story
OT but, WTF? How can FNM be up 9% today…yeh I know we’re up off the bottom..Nuttin’ but clear skies ahead.
It’s a great day for America! The Hildebeast has been slain!
David Cee wants his money back.
Heard realtwhores touting the benefits of homeownershop on the radio. Said home prices appreciation avg over 6+ % a year over a ten year period.
Reminds me when the S&P 500 avg over 20% for 10 years in 1999. All everyone did was pour money into S&P 500 Index funds.
House pricess will keep dropping until they come in line with historic rental equiv and median income ratios….lot more to fall.
IT IS NOT A GOOD TIME TO BUY! Yet!
When the housing boom started, I heard about a lot of people from the Bay Area buying homes in Sacramento because they were relatively cheaper than the Bay Area. But then in the middle of the boom, Sacramento became way too expensive for the average Sacramento worker (unless you don’t mind buying in Del Paso Heights). I got the impression that a lot of Sacramento workers were buying in Yuba City or Plumas Lake. But now the price of gas is headed to $5 a gallon. What does that do to all the people who were commuting long distances for the sake of more affordable homes?