You Can’t Lose In California Real Estate
The North County Times reports from California. “While most of the nation appears mired in the middle of a severe housing slump, the southwest corner of Riverside County may be showing signs of recovery. In April, the number of houses sold was higher than the year before for the fourth straight month, leaping 73 percent last month from a year ago. And, for the first time since the housing market took a dive, house sales in the Temecula-Murrieta region were higher than sales in 2006, near the peak of the housing boom.”
“Southwest Riverside’s data had enough strong points for at least one real estate agent to warn clients that the region’s housing market will soon see prices rise.”
“‘For example, I have a couple in their late 40s. They have never owned a home and have always rented,’ said Barbara Baker, a real estate agent in Murrieta. ‘And I told them, ‘If you don’t do it (buy a home) now, you’ll always be a renter.’”
“To be sure, not all housing data in Southwest Riverside point to recovery. Sellers have already been slashing prices, setting the stage for the recent surge in buying.”
“The median home price in the region sank to $265,000 in April, a mammoth 36 percent off the $415,000 median in 2007 and 40 percent below the $439,900 level of 2006, according to an analysis by The Californian and North County Times of data from the Multi-Regional MLS.”
“Meanwhile, North San Diego County’s housing market is not showing similar signs of recovery. Its median price has fallen about 25 percent from its peak to $490,000, but house sales for the last 28 months have been lower than the same month the year before, according to a monthly real estate association report.”
“And foreclosures keep rising: Notices of default, the first step in the foreclosure process, in Southwest Riverside doubled from a year ago to 3,700 during the first quarter, according to a tracking service.”
“A booming increase in the number of notices of default suggests more bank-owned homes over the next six months, which tend to depress prices, analysts said.”
“‘There’s no bottom in sight,’ said Christopher Thornberg, an economist with Beacon Economics. ‘There’s nothing more pernicious to prices than supply, and what you have building up right now is a massive amount of foreclosures. And nobody is more motivated to sell than banks.’”
“Thornberg said he thought home prices in the Inland Empire could fall as much as 55 percent from the peak, which would mean an additional 20 percent drop in Southwest Riverside, sending the median to $200,000.”
“Thornberg’s argument is underpinned by income levels that suggest many homeowners cannot afford the typical mortgage payment.”
“For George Farraye, it was Southwest Riverside County’s falling prices that spurred him to buy. He bought a home in Murrieta earlier this month at a 43 percent discount off its previous sales price. ‘This housing market is unbelievable,’ he said. ‘There are some real dumps, and there are some real great buys. And I think we got a great buy —- we got it for less than $100 a square foot, and we’re in a gated community.’”
The Tribune. “Freddie Wright has been living for years in San Luis Obispo in an old orange Ford van, a choice he makes to save money.”
“In 2006, a longtime friend told Wright about the thousands of dollars he had earned by investing through Estate Financial Inc., a Paso Robles lender that pools investors’ money to make high-interest loans to real estate projects.”
“Based on his friend’s experience, and after meeting with the firm’s president, Karen Guth, Wright invested his life savings of $38,000 in Estate Financial’s lending fund that September. But today, Wright is among many Estate Financial investors who worry they might have lost some or all of the money they trusted to the lender.”
“Drawn by the promise of making money in a booming real estate market, Wright is now worried that he’s lost everything he saved in a deal he never really understood.”
“‘I was ignorant of the risk,’ Wright said. ‘I just didn’t know. I thought in my brain, ‘You can’t lose in real estate.’”
“Judith Baron, a home interior designer from Templeton, said she invested about $400,000. Baron said she thought she had a sophisticated background on investments and met the net worth and income minimums.”
“Ultimately Baron decided to put her money in Estate Financial’s real estate-backed loans ‘because I had a bad experience with the stock market where I lost a lot of money (in the six figures),’ she said.”
“Because she is over 60, she believes she will never be able to earn that much money again.”
“‘I thought the company had an extremely good track record (after 15 years of doing business with no investor losses),’ she said. ‘Now my savings are gone, I think, for good. I’ll never trust anyone again.’”
“In San Luis Obispo County, new-home construction is in the midst of a significant downturn… and developers are putting their projects on hold, or like Texas-based Centex Homes, have pulled out of the area.”
“‘The residential construction market: It’s dead,’ said Leslie Halls, executive director of the San Luis Obispo County Builders Exchange. ‘We’ve seen a lot of contractors lay people off. It has a ripple effect through the marketplace. They’re not buying anything but the bare necessities.’”
“‘It’s terrible out there right now,’ said George Silva, owner of Central Drywall Inc., which has operated as a family-owned business in Grover Beach for 16 years. ‘Two years ago we were doing 300 houses a month. Now, it’s roughly 20 to 30 houses a month.’”
“‘There are still people out there with money, but the typical person here is not having a good time financially,’ said Cortland Zoff, CEO of Cortland Landscape in Arroyo Grande. ‘Too many people were buying homes as short-term investments, thinking they would never go down.’”
The Lompoc Record. “With the highest crime rate in Santa Barbara County, the city of Santa Maria should be wary about the potential for that distinction to harm the local economy by scaring off tourists or retirees looking to visit or resettle, a prominent local economist said Friday.”
“Unlike other years, when Bill Watkins, executive director of the UCSB Economic Forecast has highlighted the North County as the county’s economic engine, he noted that the ‘engine is sputtering.’ However, he said he expects it to pick up in the long term.”
“Much of the weakness in the local economy - and much of Friday’s presentation - focused on the depressed housing market. The North County housing market is being affected by the high number of foreclosures, said Kirk Lesh, a real estate economist for the forecast project.”
“In the first quarter of 2008, Lesh told the crowd, 60 percent of single-family home sales were bank-owned properties, many of which are sold thousands of dollars below the price of non-bank-owned homes. That contributed to a roughly 16 percent drop in sales prices in 2007, he said.”
The Wall Street Journal. “In June 1995, Sherrie Floyd, a clerical assistant, and her husband, Kevin Floyd, a truck driver, bought a four bedroom, 2,100 square foot home in Vallejo at auction for $170,000. After refinancing several times, their monthly payments reached an unaffordable $5,600. They stopped paying in April 2007 and filed for bankruptcy in December 2007.”
“The Floyds owe $670,000 in credit card, mortgage and auto-loan debts, according to the claim estimate from bankruptcy court. Since 1995, Mrs. Floyd estimates that they pulled roughly $100,000 out of their mortgage to pay off credit-card bills, broker fees and penalties.”
“In 2005, just as their rate was about to go up, Mrs. Floyd got pregnant with her fifth child. They refinanced again through Option One Mortgage, a subsidiary of H&R Block. At the time, their house was appraised at $610,000. They took out a $505,000 loan — roughly $452,000 went to pay off their prior loan, about $15,600 went to other outstanding debts and fees and the Floyds took out almost $23,000 in cash. Their house was recently reappraised at $470,000.”
“Mrs. Floyd says that the broker misinformed them. ‘We take responsibility for our situation. But if you don’t understand loans, a lot of brokers take advantage of you,’ she says. ‘I think my husband was talked into a lot of bad things.’”
“Currently, they are trying to find a rental. So far, landlords have been turned off by their credit rating. The family of seven plans to split up and stay with different relatives until they can find a new home.”
“‘I want to pay my debt. I pay my federal and state taxes like I’m supposed to, I go to work, and I just can’t find any help,’ said Ms. Floyd. ‘It just isn’t fair.’”
From Reuters. “A California man who has defaulted on nine homes and expects banks to foreclose on all of them, forcing him into bankruptcy, says he now considers it a mistake to have invested in the real estate market.”
“Shawn Forgaard, a 37-year-old software company project manager, bought one home for his family to live in and nine more as investments.”
“‘I knew I was sitting on time bombs,’ Forgaard said. ‘I knew the market was going to go soft and I knew that property values would decline. But I figured that I had enough equity to survive the storm and sell or take the loss and refinance.’”
“‘I didn’t anticipate a downturn of epic proportions such that home values are 40 percent less than they were,’ he said.”
From Business Week. “Buying a bank-owned home requires on-the-ground research. Take, for example, the five-bedroom, four-bath, Granada Hills (Calif.) ranch house with two kitchens at the top of the BusinessWeek list of foreclosure discounts.”
“The $579,000 asking price for the 3,600-square-foot house on a pretty, tree-lined street north of Los Angeles is 43% below market value, according to RealtyTrac. But walk inside the one-story house and you’ll see that it’s a fixer-upper, said listing agent Ryan Trefry in Encino.”
“The bathroom and kitchens need updating, the paint is peeling, and the flooring is buckling. The bank that owns the property spent $2,000 just to remove trash left behind by the tenant who was evicted after the foreclosure. The house is in ‘poor to below-average shape’ and needs about $65,000 in repairs, Trefry said.”
“Still it’s a good deal even compared with other foreclosures, he said. ‘To buy a home that big in a desirable neighborhood for $500,000 is unheard of.’”
“Still it’s a good deal even compared with other foreclosures, he said. ‘To buy a home that big in a desirable neighborhood for $500,000 is unheard of.’”
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Not for long.
And the $65K the realtor estimated for repairs is probably less than 1/2 of what the repairs will really cost.
Problem is many homes were selling well under $300K not that long ago.. so catch a falling knife buddy… its not a great deal!
What is the result of trying to catch an already bloody knife… the “RE-REO”?
Downpayments or not, the banks will suffer more than a few of them unless they offer steep discounts… way steep, like 60% off. FBs are being trained in the hows and whens of walking away.
Big houses in good neighborhoods selling for $500k? Sure, I’ve heard of it, it’s called a “mansion” and is commonly known as “exorbitant”. I feel like giving this guy a flushie.
Here’s a classic from the original post:
“Currently, they are trying to find a rental. So far, landlords have been turned off by their credit rating.”
And, that, in a nutshell, is why these people shouldn’t have become homeowners. There’s something about being able to repay the money you were loaned.
Yep - and there’s 7 kids. As soon as the parents DO find a rental and start moving everybody in, they’ll get evicted.
5 kids. family of 7.
You don’t think they popped out two more since this article was written?
LOL
“Buying a bank-owned home requires on-the-ground research. Take, for example, the five-bedroom, four-bath, Granada Hills (Calif.) ranch house with two kitchens at the top of the BusinessWeek list of foreclosure discounts.”
Dosen’t look impressive in that photo : just a plain- jane shotgun bungaloo. Area might be okay. Poor photograph shot.
Below is a Playa Del Rey home listed on that bus week slide show list of top foreclosues, and i know this area. 3 blocks from the most quietest isolated beach stretch in west LA including access to the LA coastal bikepath, and 5 min from marina del rey and 15 min from westside .
For negatives, it is at edge of LAX airport and LAX noise.
IT will be snapped up no doubt by a wealthy specu-flipper who will no doubt do a teardowm and put up a 3000 sq ft gilded palace.
Playa Del Rey, Calif. 90293
Address: 8250 W. 83rd St.
Savings: 25%
Price: $749,900
Est. market value: $1.004 million
Bed/Baths: 3/2
Sq. Ft.: 1,830
Built: 1939
I guess I’m not getting something here. If it’s selling for $750K, then how is its est. market value $1 mil?
“If it’s selling for $750K, then how is its est. market value $1 mil?”
Haven’t you heard?? INSTANT EQUITY!!
Okay……wow…….now Ben’s got my attention. There’s more stuff in this Cali thread to make your blood boil than I’ve seen in a while. Time to go check the JT locker to see if I’ve got ample stock.
“‘I want to pay my debt. I pay my federal and state taxes like I’m supposed to, I go to work, and I just can’t find any help,’ said Ms. Floyd. ‘It just isn’t fair.’”
No, Ms Floyd, it is absolutely fair…..and just, poetically just you might say. There is a tried and proven principle of reeping what you sow, and now it’s harvest time. So, the choices before you are to either bitch and moan like a pathetic victim (doing a great job so far on that option) and go nowhere, or to take your well deserved and just a$$ reaming, pick up the pieces and start over again. The sooner you accept responsibility, the sooner recovery begins.
Oh Ex - you just don’t get it. You’re only supposed to look at what they paid originally and what their top appraisal was. Then you look at what they owe and what the house is worth now - that’s it. No fair peeking at all the other info of their refies, credit cards, car loans or other ways they mismanaged their finances. Looking at that stuff just isn’t fair. They need help so that they don’t have to deal with all those unpleasant details. Snark off.
I just love how she blames it all on her husband getting them into bad loans.
I may be mistaken but doesn’t the wife have to sign those loan papers too ?
Ms. Floyd, when you came into this world where was it written that ‘life was fair’. This unreal liberal pap instilled into the masses pisses me off. If that want to see what ‘unfair’ is, spend some time in Africa and be glad you weren’t born there.
This couple makes me sick . Its appears this couple pulled out over 300k in equity loans in a 7 to 10 year span of time . Now Mr and Mrs Floyd are going to stiff the bank and the credit card companies for the bread they spent and they say “life isn’t fair ?”
This couple should be darn happy that they don’t live in a Country where you would go to debtors prison if you stiffed people to this extent on debt just to live a higher life style .
At one point in time this couple got a break in life and bought a cheap house before the boom for 170k and they could be ahead of the game by now . People like this want someone else to pay for their lifestyle and I bet all along the plan was to declare bankruptcy . I didn’t hear anything about a medical emergency or a loss of a job that pushed them over the edge, but rather it just appears they were living way beyond their means .
I feel very strongly that it’s people like this couple that make it bad for the rest of the people because they think that they are entitled to something that other sane people feel that are not entitled to and that is …FREE MONEY .
Our society becomes a victim of people like this couple ,and that just isn’t fair .
This unreal conservative pap instilled into the masses pisses me off.
The chiggens is comin’ home ta roost. Don’t count da chiggens before deys hatched. Da sky is falling. A chiggen in ev’ry pot.
So many platitudes, so little time…
True dat re: platitudes. Every time I hear an “America sucks” jerkwad say “The chickens are coming home to roost,” I have an uncontrollable urge to break out a pressure fryer and a secret mix of seven herbs and spices.
Chickens? I got your chickens right here.
Obviously these folks should have called it a day awhile ago, got out while the gittin’ was good - sold out, paid off, got an apartment. Obvious in hindsight. Bear in mind that probably an awful, awful lot of that increase in debt represents fees and accrued interest - they probably didn’t actually consume much of it. Yes they were over their heads. But they weren’t necessarily wastrels, they may just have gotten themselves into a bad situation and stayed there too long. Easy to make fun of the “sheeple” but we all trust experts every day. “I have squandered my resistance for a pocketful of mumbles - such are promises: all lies and jests, still, a man he hears what he want to hear, and disregards the rest.” My guess is that these people have been working their butts off for years for nothing except to barely pay their expenses, trying to be honest, surrounded by exploiters.
If my car breaks down, I hope you’re on the road. You’d probably give me a lift. Others would just wave by and say Sucker, its your fault your car wasn’t in tip top shape, you probably wasted all the money you should have spent on car maintenance at the casino.
JR, where are you from???
Let’s start with this part: “Got themselves into a bad situation”. You say that as if it’s something that could happen to anyone, and is no fault of their own. That kind of reasoning may hold when speaking of juveniles (who need our help and a lot of 2nd chances), but we are talking about adults here. Grown ups.
When an adult gets him/herself into a bad situation, and no one else has committed an actual crime against them, then it’s their own fault and it’s up to them to dig themselves out. Otherwise, there would be no incentive for people to think twice before making major decisions. It’s not like they’re going to die over this.
I’m certainly not going to offer up my own hard-earned $$ to support these bimbos in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed.
Like I said…. I’d hardly call a trucker with 5 kids a bimbo. Paris Hilton is a bimbo, albeit a trust-fund rich bimbo…
“Let’s start with this part: ‘Got themselves into a bad situation’. You say that as if it’s something that could happen to anyone.”
Oh yes. As someday you will learn. It won’t be this exact thing. It will be something else. And you won’t see it coming until it’s too late.
Or maybe you will see it coming, but you won’t get out of the way.
For someone who claims to be financially astute, what ever happened to DIVERSIFICATION?!
Dumping all one’s eggs in the real estate basket expecting that it will always go up is absolutely insane. (But then, I was in Japan during the popping of the Bubble and know full well that prices can slide 40% with no difficulty.)
I think a lot of people think the stock market is rigged and felt that they understood the housing market better. What they didn’t understand was all the crap going on in the mortgage market that affected housing.
Ex:
I’m getting a little concerned about the way you’ve been using the JTs. You see, JTs are sensitive souls and they need a lot of nurturing, time off, R&R, and such. I just don’t want them to start feeling stressed out and go around moping and thinking negatively. Why don’t we give the little guys a short rest for a while?
Well, while they’re on vacation, we can pull that elephant back out from under the rug. I believe it was a male.
Prices and volume are going to start increasing somewhere, sometime. But California? Now?
http://labusinessjournal.com/article.asp?aID=48459175.816965.1624974.1774429.4626475.944&aID2=124989
Newhall Ranch project in default, just a small project here in the SCV.
The three-headed dog loses some more teeth.
Volume first. Prices, much, much later.
Volume increases are happening now in many places in CA. Primarily foreclosures though, at steep discounts to private party “wishing” prices.
““‘I was ignorant of the risk,’ Wright said. ‘I just didn’t know. I thought in my brain, ‘You can’t lose in real estate.’””
That’s some quote. “I thought in my brain.” Something tells me… — NOT!
You don’t expect the Spanish Inquisition…
I never use my brain for thinking, just watching cartoon network.
That was a typo. What Wright really said was “I just didn’t know. I thought, ‘in my brain, you can’t lose in real estate’.” Of course, outside of Wrights brain, things work a little differently.
Good posts! It’s interesting that the housing bubble has revealed that people can make some pretty stupid investment and financial decisions. Dropping $400k into an investment scheme? Buy a house for 170k and end up owing over $505k? With the Vallejo couple, I can see how the medical issue can hurt- but how does not working for six months translate into 670k in total debt. I think the story probably overlooked a lifestyle they may not have been able to keep up with.
But she is a clerical assistant and he is a truck driver. Certainly they deserve all the good things in life.
No reason why clerical assistants and truck drivers SHOULDN’T have the good things in life, as opposed to a mountain of debt for things you can’t afford.
But you can’t park a happy family and good friends in front of your house to impress the neighbors.
I respect truck drivers. It is an honest living (not like used home sales leeches).This one is evidently lacking brain cells, and married his equal.
These two needed condoms from day one.
Having bicycled many miles on America’s highways and byways, I have a lot of respect for long-distance truck drivers. Best drivers on the road.
I do too. It is a hard life, away from your family so much. Without long distance truck drivers ,the shelves at the store would be bare.
Ditto for motorcycle riders. I always feel safest when I’m surrounded by 18 wheelers. They make excellent blockers against the imbecils sitting behind the wheel of their 5000 death machine SUVs while talking on the cell phone.
The fact that this guy was a truck driver has no bearing on the fact that he messed up with his finances . I would just hope that this guy is not as reckless when he is driving where mistakes could cost a life .
Also the fact that this couple might be hard-working people also has no bearing on the mess they created .
The stress of raising 5 kids in this day and age might of contributed to some of the couples overspending ,but I don’t know . The point is that everybody has a story and everybody has reasons why they didn’t do right and they took the path of least resistance or they just couldn’t say no .
Also,its not the end of the world just because this couple goes BK .I just hope for the sake of the five kids that this couple will remain employed in the future .
..she said. ‘Now my savings are gone, I think, for good. I’ll never trust anyone again.’..
I hope for your sake that “anyone” includes you, Judith.
Investing in hard, second trust deeds loans is “always” a gamble . That extra interest income means extra risk and real estate always goes up and company paying income for 15 years are no absolute guarantees. You play with fire there is a chance you will get burned and the Vegas house knows there are no constant winners for long.
“The Floyds owe $670,000 in credit card, mortgage and auto-loan debts, according to the claim estimate from bankruptcy court. Since 1995, Mrs. Floyd estimates that they pulled roughly $100,000 out of their mortgage to pay off credit-card bills, broker fees and penalties.”
And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I’ll see you on the dark side of the moon.
Southwest corner of Riverside County showing recovery fantastic.
I also noticed a strong housing recovery near me on half of the left side of the street past the big oak tree.
It just shows what massive price drops can do. You don’t get price correction without volume and you don’t get volume without massive price correction.
There are buyers there, at 40% off. Until other areas drop 40% in price. Then the buyers will go there and prices will have to fall even further.
Race to the bottom!
And that’s it. IE is where lenders have been unloading big-time. I’ve been watching areas there closely and I am regularly seeing bank listings at 50% to 60% off peak.Hey, if the starving auto dealers down there slashed the prices on their autos by 50%, guess what? You’d have a big recovery in auto sales! But it doesn’t mean a recovery in prices, like the soon to be JT’ed realtor suggested. All it means is a run of people looking for the deal of the century for years to come.
Now ex, you know that doesn’t matter. You have such bad analogies. The only thing that matters is whether or not the REOs end up selling for more than asking. Why don’t you just go work for Zillow or something?
Any idea what price segment is moving? I speculate sales are good on the low end while the more expensive McMansions are not moving.
Actually, it’s across the board. The banks are coming in and unloading hardcore. Classic example is my bro-in-law’s area of Orangecrest, which is considered a nicer area of IE. His house was going for 550K -600K at the peak. Currently, most of his comps listing in the mid to high 400K range. So here comes the bank and drops the bomb by listing his model right around the corner for 289K, and it has a pool. You should’a heard the long silence that followed after I pointed the listing out to him the other day, followed by a “oh sh*t”. That particular listing has been up for 2 weeks and hasn’t gone pending yet.
Do you think the nicer areas of East Bay in San Fran are going to go down a lot as well (Danville, San Ramon, Alamo)? I know areas like Concord, Pittsburg, etc. are going down, but the nicer areas? And when?
As far as I can see, everything is down. If the median isn’t down, then that’s due to a change in the mix of houses selling. What data are you looking at the show any area not going down?
“Southwest corner of Riverside County showing recovery fantastic”
That is because there is a hugh inventory of reos, many almost like new, needing maybe slight TLC, selling at around $200,000. PLus builders slashing prices for new homes down to below $300,000. IN SW riverside it is an inventory issue, way too much supply and builders and banks need to slash prices to move that crap. At prices of around $200-250,000 yes there will be a new wave of buyers, second wave slight bounceback, dead cat bounce, ect
Wait till they see the commute costs as they drive to their jobs in LA/OC and spend $150-200 a week for gas and deal with that sweltering yellow-smog 100% IE baking heat which will drive AC & house electric bill to $200-300 a month from late spring to mid november.
There’s something really cheesy and off about the Forgaard’s Glamour-shot self-portrait. I wouldn’t look that happy if I was that broke. Although I have to give his wife credit for looking so hot with a newborn…they must have a night nurse!
“… really cheesy and off…”
Certainly true.
And my thought was:
“Unfortunately, these guys typify some of the people who live here in northern California.”
Yeah, but they came to North California (as opposed to South California, a different state altogether) from somewhere else.
Did you even read the article?
That’s his hometown and she’s from N CA.
yeah.. but foreclosures and bankruptcy take a long time.. then it might take a couple more years before you’re sick to death of eachother, and a year or two to finalize the divorce..
If she acts now she won’t have any trouble finding another husband.
“The Floyds owe $670,000 in credit card, mortgage and auto-loan debts, according to the claim estimate from bankruptcy court. Since 1995, Mrs. Floyd estimates that they pulled roughly $100,000 out of their mortgage to pay off credit-card bills, broker fees and penalties.”
“In 2005, just as their rate was about to go up, Mrs. Floyd got pregnant with her fifth child.
As a nation, we are well and truly buggered when the cretins and social parasites are breeding in large numbers, while those with more desirable genetic traits are opting to marry and have children later, and rarely have more than two children, if that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upyewL0oaWA
IDOCRACY, here we come - The case study of Trevor and Carol vs. Clevon.
Idiocracy, love it…gonna have to start using that instead of kleptocracy…
As a nation, we are well and truly buggered when the cretins and social parasites are breeding in large numbers…
Idiocracy
I think that first woman is me >; (
The video is hilariously and scarily honest.
“As a nation, we are well and truly buggered when the cretins and social parasites are breeding in large numbers”
In Scal and greater LA metro the breeders are located in the poor inner LA districts. Whether from anchor babies, hot south of border fertility and sensuality, or section 8 family planning , they do breed like rabbits in the ghettos ,and imediately suck & drain social services and taxpayer $$$ from LA and CA.
I call it the fertility and fecundicy of the third world.
They love their kids, as long as they have the state to provide the $$$$’s
desirable traits for what, is the question? for peasantry maybe cretinous is good?
You have put your finger on a Malthusian conundrum.
“I thought in my brain, ‘You can’t lose in real estate.’”
Unfortunately, he was actually thinking in another part of his anatomy.
No Brain, Know Pain
‘If you don’t do it (buy a home) now, you’ll always be a renter.’
Holy shiite. I’d say it’s a bit early to be trotting out this warhorse again.
did Suzanne change her name ?
“I thought in my brain, ‘You can’t lose in real estate.’”
Sage advice from Floyd the Van Dweller. Expect to see him drafted into the NAR’s brain-trust of “economists.”
I was in law school with a guy who lived in his van for three years. He parked it right outside the school, slept in it (in a shady part of DC, right next to the world’s largest homeless shelter), and showered in the locker room. He was a freak (and rather smelly). At graduation he passed out flyers trying to drum up contributions to his start-up charity, unionizing NYC hotdog vendors.
Sage advice from Floyd the Van Dweller.
“Down by the river!”
“Based on his friend’s experience, and after meeting with the firm’s president, Karen Guth, Wright invested his life savings of $38,000″
The sad (and largely untold and unreported) side of these stories is that many of these people signed a paper stating that they were “accredited investors”, with enough capital resources to withstand losing all of the investment. As with stated income/liar loans, many of these people signed the sheet stating that they were accredited investors (when they clearly were not), just so they could get their hands on the juicy 12% interest that they were being promised.
Shame on the hard money lenders that were letting construction companies take “draws” with no oversight, but also shame on the investor victims that lied their way into the investments due to their own greed.
Imagine the greed exhibited to put ALL of your savings (retirement and otherwise) into one, non-diversified investment…they must have had visions of $$$ dancing in their heads.
Wright shouldn’t have been so reverent.
The Estate Financial story may end up being one of the biggest scams in California. They have about $300 million of investor money but can only account for about $120 million.
The largest asset on EFI’s balance sheet is a note receivable from another Karen Guth company. Chuck Ponzi would be proud.
Freddie Wright has been living for years in San Luis Obispo in an old orange Ford van…DOWN BY THE RIVER!!
DOWN BY THE RIVER!!
Waaah. Everybody’s getting to the good jokes before me!
I’d say he’s up a creek…
A little OT, but read today in the Idaho Statesman about 5000 homes planned in the foothills of Boise. They also reported on MLS sales data and April sales were less than April of 1999!
I don’t see how developers have the balls to keep these big proposals on the table. Anything built in the Boise foothills is usually high end and that part of the marker is DEAD around here. I suppose they think Boise is special and the developers (all out of state) will do well as opposed to those defaulting and going BK around AZ, NV, CA, etc.
Link: http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/378419.html
Boise is going to be the “next great American city”…sorry Las Vegas.
Everyone wants to move to Boy see city.
PROPOSALS are free (free publicity too). FUNDING… well, that’s a bit more difficult.
What’s so amazing about Boise? It’s not a tax shelter, is it?
There’s another developer, a Steven Katz, threatening to bulldoze 640 acres of old-growth Joshua tree forest in the actual town of Joshua Tree, to build a mini-Ladera Ranch of 2,400 homes with “villa” prices starting at $350,000. Not surprisingly, the locals are looking for tar, feathers, and/or rope and suitably sturdy Joshua tree branches about ten feet up.
This is in an area where there are over a thousand houses sitting unsold, including plenty of spec-built flip-flops their new owners the banks are trying to unload for whatever they can get. There are some newer 3-bedrooms for less than $100K. $300K gets you a McMansion. And this guy wants to build a couple thousand more.
Either Katz is on crack, or the plan is to propose something so outrageous that preservationists will be alarmed enough to raise money to buy his 640 acres from him and Save the Joshua Trees. I strongly suspect the latter.
Hall of Shame line, right up there with Buy Now Or Be Priced Out Forever…
Of course at some point there will be a bottom, but according to the realtoRs, we can’t tell where that is, so buy now and be safe. That’s the line they’re using here in Portland, OR, anyway.
“‘For example, I have a couple in their late 40s. They have never owned a home and have always rented,’ said Barbara Baker, a real estate agent in Murrieta. ‘And I told them, ‘If you don’t do it (buy a home) now, you’ll always be a renter.’”
“you’ll always be a renter”
And you’ll always have savings, you’ll always be able to move to another area easily, you’ll have repairs and the yard taken care of, you’ll have time and money to travel. You’ll never pay a large commission to anyone. Yeah, it’s pretty bad.
“Judith Baron, a home interior designer from Templeton, said she invested about $400,000. Baron said she thought she had a sophisticated background on investments and met the net worth and income minimums.”
Lady, if you were a “sophisticated” investor you would have NEVER put all your money in one place let alone a private loan fund. I’ve looked into these things, it’s very obvious that the risk is high that you can lose everything.
“A California man who has defaulted on nine homes and expects banks to foreclose on all of them, forcing him into bankruptcy, says he now considers it a mistake to have invested in the real estate market.”
Is this HBB or The Onion? For a minute there I wasn’t sure…
either way, it’s got me cryin’ tears of laughter..
..yeah and this morning I considered it a mistake to have had three burritos, four magueritas, and a plate of nachos…
Did you get an interest only loan you got to pay that restaurant tab?
Did you ship your kids off to family so you can be alone with your margaritas?
When you go bankrupt from too many burritos, what’s the equivalent of jingle-mail?
The foreclosures are “forcing” him into bankruptcy? The way I see it, he’s the one doing the forcing. He’s forcing the bank to eat shit on his stupid investments. He’s lucky he’s relatively cute, otherwise I’m pretty sure that purty little wife of his would be out finding another daddy for their newborn.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080512/american_international_group_shareholder.html
Former AIG chief Maurice Greenberg urges insurer to delay annual meeting, says it is in crisis
NEW YORK (AP) — Maurice R. Greenberg, the former chief executive and largest individual shareholder of AIG, says the insurer is “in crisis” and urged it to postpone its annual meeting in the wake of its massive first-quarter loss, according to regulatory filing Monday.
In a letter to American International Group Inc.’s board dated Sunday, Greenberg said he and other top shareholders are deeply concerned “about the persistent and seemingly endless destruction of value at AIG.” He said the leadership of the world’s largest insurer has also lost credibility with the investment community.
“Mrs. Floyd says that the broker misinformed them. ‘We take responsibility for our situation. But if you don’t understand loans, a lot of brokers take advantage of you,’ she says. ‘I think my husband was talked into a lot of bad things.’”
Them that understands interest, gets it. Them that don’t understand it, pays it.
The Floyds got into financial trouble by spending substantially more than they earned over a ten year period. They still don’t understand it; they think their problems were “tricky” loans and “predatory” loan facilitators. Some time in the future their credit will be OK, they’ll get some credit cards, and guess what? They’ll start to spend more than they earn and incur debt that they can’t service.
As for Ms. Baron, she managed to lose big bucks in what were probably tech stocks then repeated with real estate. She’ll be one of those people buying gold when it’s $3500 because “gold always goes up.” When Ms. Baron becomes a gold buyer then, and only then, will I become a seller.
After about the age of 12, people rarely change.
You know it’s really hard for me to believe that people do not understand the basic concept of interest and debt payments . Most people have bought a car on time and understand that they pay interest for the use of the money .
Now I understand the fact that some people didn’t read their loan documents and trusted some commissioned sales person ,but what are you going to do with people like that . This couple took out a loan amount and credit card amounts that were so high that you cannot believe that they were hoodwinked .
My take on the situation is that this Mr Floyd made the decision that he was going to take a loan he didn’t deserve based on his income and pay for his life style by using home appreciation .
Real estate did not continue to go up ,therefore the game stopped for Mr. Floyd .
No doubt there was some fraud committed in order for this couple to even obtain that high of a loan amount . Mr Floyd went on this loan because those where the kind of loans that one could be fraudulent about at the time .
Lets get serious here . People make decisions based on what they think the options are at the time . Mr. Floyd could not of pulled out all the money he did if he attempted to get a reasonable loan or a fixed loan . Mr. Floyd wanted money and he was willing to go on a toxic loan because it gave him more cash out and it seems like a good idea at the time . I’m sure Mr. Floyd had a belief that real estate would continue to go up and he could sell or refinance again .Mr. Floyds house became a cash cow that allowed the means to exceed his lifestyle that his regular income could not afford . Now Mr. Floyd is walking from his obligation to pay back his debts and acting like a victim . To bad this couple didn’t live within their means and still have a house with a low loan balance on it .
And no doubt the loan agents on these loans were snakes ,but they offered this couple what they wanted ,and that is money without really qualifying for it . I don’t think it’s right for lenders to give money to messed up unqualified people and set them up for a big fall in the end ,but this couple got all the money and equity and the lender and creditors lose in the end for what they did .
If Mr. Floyd is a example of the kind of FB that the government wants the taxpayers to rescue ,I say …GOD HELP US .
‘a lot of brokers take advantage of you,’ she says.
Oh… that explains 5 kids.
“‘For example, I have a couple in their late 40s. They have never owned a home and have always rented,’ said Barbara Baker, a real estate agent in Murrieta. ‘And I told them, ‘If you don’t do it (buy a home) now, you’ll always be a renter.’”
Fear mongering again. Fuck these clowns.
KPBS special on foreclosures in San Diego, may be a repost but they are still airing it on weekends:
http://tinyurl.com/6ger9w
Sorry this one is late, the San Diego fires are a frequent topic on this blog, eye opening KPBS special on how terrible the fire protection is in San Diego currently:
http://tinyurl.com/5veako
The housing market is just that, a market, which means it goes up and down. Unfortunately a lot of people bought way over their heads and pocket books. Even worse, the governments,banks and builders encouraged and enabled them to do it. In Canada you have to qualify for a mortgage based on your income and you can’t write off the payments unless it is for an investment. We have some slow down, but nothing like Ca and Fl. People aren’t losing their homes. Governments and banks take note.
Just one additional note…People have also bought too many and way too large vehicles. There are now dealerships who won’t take Suv’s in trade at all, There is something strangely similar here to the housing problem. Too much, can’t afford it, lose everything.