May 17, 2008

Correcting From The Outrageous Market

The Rocky Mountain News reports from Colorado. “Foreclosures. They’re not just for low-priced homes anymore. Douglas County, one of the richest and fastest-growing counties in the nation, is seeing on average one $1 million home go into foreclosure each week. ‘I haven’t seen any $2 million homes yet, but I definitely have seen homes pushing $1.5 million,’ said Dianne Bailey, the Douglas County public trustee.”

“She said that the homes are mostly speculative - those built without buyers. ‘These are typically developer-built homes that have never been sold,’ she said. ‘They are not typically owner-occupied homes.’”

“‘The lower end of the market is still the most hit by foreclosures,’ said Mike Rinner of the Genesis Group. ‘But if you can’t sell your lower-end home, it puts you at a disadvantage to move up. It means there are not as many new-home buyers. It’s a reverse snowball effect, if you will.’”

“He said some builders may have been trying to sell a house for $1.2 million that cost them $900,000 to build and until the foreclosure were unwilling to budge on the price. ‘The lender starts the foreclosure to protect itself, and the builder gets a reality shot,’ Rinner said.”

The Denver Post from Colorado. “Foreclosure filings in Colorado continued to surge in the first quarter, but at a slower pace than last year, according to the Colorado Division of Housing. Public trustees reported 23 percent more foreclosure starts in the first quarter of 2008 than in the same period last year.”

“But that pace is slower than the 40 percent jump seen across 2007 and the 31 percent pace of 2006.”

“‘We are hopeful we are looking at a 15 percent to 20 percent increase in foreclosures for the year,’ said Ryan McMaken, a Housing Division spokesman who compiles the quarterly survey.”

“McMaken said he never thought a 20 percent jump would look good, but it does after last’s year huge surge.”

The Arizona Daily Star. “Tucson-area new-home sales and prices in April continued to show a slide from 2007, according to a report released Friday by local housing market analyst John Strobeck. He said he doesn’t expect the market to bounce back to pre-slowdown levels for years - possibly as long as a decade.”

“‘People want to know when we’re going to back to the other market,’ he said. ‘We’re not. This is our market.’”

“New-home closings dropped to 269, down about 50 percent from a year ago and more than 10 percent from March, the Southern Arizona Housing Market Letter showed. The number of permits pulled was 386, down 40 percent from April 2007, but up slightly from March.”

“The median price for a new home dropped to $218,000, down about 10 percent from last April and down about 2 percent the previous month. The average price from new homes also fell. It was $250,456 in April, down about 14 percent from a year ago, and down about 4 percent from March.”

The Arizona Republic. “The glut of properties offered elsewhere at fire-sale prices has not deterred more than 50 people from camping out for a chance to buy one of 100 homesites in a master-planned development in northeast Mesa.”

“Even potential homeowners in Blandford Homes Mountain Bridge are baffled by the buying frenzy, which began Monday night when the first two home buyers took a number rather than wait to line up later in the week for the sale, which begins at 9 a.m. today.”

“Blandford decided Wednesday night to increase the number of homesites that will go on sale today to 100 from 62. Blandford Homes president Jeff Blandford said the decision was based on potential buyers from as far away as Alaska and Canada who worried they’d spend $800 to fly to the Valley and not be able to buy a home once here.”

“Blandford has been treating campers to PeiWei, Vito’s and other take-out food. In the morning, his sales agents deliver Starbucks coffee, doughnuts and bagels.”

“Home values are still challenged on the outskirts of the Valley with gasoline prices nearing $4 a gallon. But regions with good freeway access and desert views are exceptions, Blandford said.”

“‘It’s not that bad everywhere,’ he said. ‘The market is not dead by any means. We’re still correcting ourselves from the outrageous market we had, and we’re still having to pay the price for that market.’”

“The Times Online on Nevada. “Sin City has been America’s biggest boomtown over the past three decades, repeatedly defying expectations to record phenomenal growth on every level - until, that is, the city’s economy hit the skids this year in the wake of a nationwide housing crisis.”

“‘It’s mindboggling how much the housing market is affecting everything,’ said Darci Curry, a property broker, who is desperately fighting foreclosure herself after her mortgage unexpectedly ‘reset, capped out and doubled’ to $3,200 a month in December.”

“Scratch beneath the surface and even The Strip is losing its lustre. Scott Kleven, a floor supervisor patrolling the card tables in Bally’s casino on The Strip, said: ‘People are definitely spending less. Gas prices are rising, the economy is declining, the elections are coming up - no one knows what’s going on in the States.’”

“In the past year, the average house price in Las Vegas has fallen by 17 per cent. In addition to the huge losses suffered by homeowners, the city’s construction workforce is looking very vulnerable. The property boom left Las Vegas with a construction industry that accounted for 12 per cent of its jobs, twice the national average.”

“About 10,000, or 10 per cent, of those construction jobs have been lost in the past year and many more are expected to go in the next year or two.”

“Jeremy Aguero, a Las Vegas economist, said: ‘The exuberant spending in shops and restaurants was predicated on the unsustainable base of home equity extraction. The situation is serious. The number of foreclosures is rising and, with the economy so dependent on construction, unemployment is rising, too, which is a problematic combination.’”

“Home rage, the trashing of houses that are about to be repossessed, has become increasingly commmon in Las Vegas.”

“The McStaff family apparently was so desperate at being evicted from 11141 South Lavandou Drive in Las Vegas that at least one member appears to have whacked lumps out of the property before they left.”

“A month later the property, which fetched $525,000 as a newly built home in 2006, is back on the market at $270,000 - minus a few chunks taken out of the living room wall and a large hole in the ceiling next door.”

“Stripped of fixtures such as the fridge and the cooker, the kitchen sink contains a bowl of washing-up, while the bathroom basin is acting as a receptacle for cigarette stubs.”

“Weeks after the departing owners left a note for their bank, blaming it for ruining their dream, the floors are scattered with old garden chairs, piles of pens and bank statements.”

“Gail Burks, the head of the Nevada Fair Housing Centre, a citizens advice bureau, said that home rage had become common in Las Vegas. ‘There have been five foreclosures on my street, three of which ripped everything out,’ said Ms Banks, who receives about 600 requests a month now for advice on foreclosure, compared with about 200 in October last year.”

“There are 28,655 vacant properties on the market in Las Vegas as a result of foreclosure, Ms Banks said.”

The Review Journal from Nevada. “Statistics from the National Association of Realtors showed a 20.2 percent decrease in local home prices in the first quarter when compared with the first quarter of 2007. The median price of a home sold through the group’s members was $247,600 at the end of March.”

“‘People are recognizing that, because prices dropped, they are better able to get into homes,’ said Sheila Conway, managing partner of Urban Environmental Research. ‘Prices are starting to come back into line with incomes.’”

“Paul Mikkelsen, owner of Vizion Furniture, said he thinks the fellow Las Vegans who expect the economy to be good or excellent in the next 12 months are a little too optimistic.”

“Mikkelsen, who sells Scandinavian and contemporary furniture for the home, said he’s still feeling the effects of a sluggish housing market. Wealthier consumers who drop $4,000 to $5,000 or more per shopping spree still come in as often as they did before the downturn in 2007, Mikkelsen said, but buyers who spend $1,000 to $2,000 per trip ‘have dropped off the face of the earth.’”

“‘House values have fallen, and people can’t take anymore money out of their homes right now,’ he said. ‘Plus, they’re concerned about keeping their jobs. People are worried: ‘Should we buy or should we wait?’”

In Business Las Vegas from Nevada. “The fall in median sales prices, which in April were down 23 percent, has helped make homes more affordable and put more people in the range to buy them. But that drop in prices is hurting homeowners who want to draw on equity.”

“Countrywide has suspended the home equity credit lines of most of its Las Vegas customers. Bloomberg News reports that since January lenders are targeting cities where values are falling. That includes Los Angeles and Chicago. Along with Countywide, Bank of America and Washington Mutual have frozen 600,000 equity credit lines nationwide, Bloomberg reported.”

“The rapid appreciation of home prices in 2004 and 2005 prompted many homeowners to borrow against that newfound wealth. But the cutoff to equity lines may be showing up in retail spending, which, according to the latest statistics in February, was down more than 3 percent from February 2007.”

“Brad Henderson, president of Henderson-based Evofi One, a mortgage broker and banker, estimates that as many as 15,000 people have had their credit lines suspended. It doesn’t matter what their credit score or income are, says Henderson, who adds it is based on loan-to-value.”

“‘It is one more thing taking money out of the economy,’ Henderson says.”

The Park Record from Utah. “Housing construction in Summit County dropped by 77 percent in the first quarter of 2008 compared to the same quarter last year, the biggest decline of any county in the state, according to the University of Utah’s Bureau of Economic and Business Research.”

“The number of new building permits is falling at a record-breaking pace, matching a statewide slowdown in the building of houses, twin homes, apartments and condominiums. Statewide, officials reported a 58.2 percent decline in total residential permits, the report said.”

“Summit County Building Official Dallas Monsen said spring is usually a slow time of year. ‘Everyone knows the economy is bad,’ he said. ‘A lot of people are biding their time.’”

‘The first quarter of 2008 ranks as the most severe contraction ever reported in one quarter, surpassing the fourth quarter of 2007, which had a 53.4 percent drop.”

“‘It’s the most serious decline we’ve had in the last 20 years,’ said James Wood of UBEBR. ‘It was so sudden.’”

“The peak for new residential building permits was in 2005 when the state handed out about 28,000 housing permits. In 2006, the state suffered an 8 percent drop. ‘The first half of 2007 was pretty orderly,’ Wood said. ‘Then the credit crisis hit and the sub-prime market disappeared.’”

“‘Ultimately our industry gets it,’ Mike Brodsky, owner of Hamlet Homes, said. Hamlet Homes owns the condos at Bear Hollow, some of which have been on the market for three years, Brodsky said. However, he added the price of the residential units remains high. ‘The prices today are still up significantly from what they were when the condos were first put on the market,’ he said.”

“Dennis Hanlon, a Park-City based Realtor, said his agency’s home sales are ‘definitely down’ and residences are taking longer to sell. Hanlon said home prices remain high despite the downturn.”

“‘Buyers have unrealistic expectations,’ he said. ‘They read about how bad the housing market is and think they’ll go to a resort town and get something for a lot less.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-17 07:47:13

I don’t think I’ve ever posted a report from this part of Colorado:

‘Chaffee County had the highest number of foreclosures in 29 years during 2007 when 65 were filed. And the high foreclosure rate continues in 2008 with county treasurer Diana Wood recording 22 filings through Thursday.’

‘Statewide new foreclosure filings in Colorado were 23 percent higher during the first quarter of 2008 than during the same period last year, officials with the Colorado Division of Housing said Thursday.’

‘There were 11,630 new foreclosure filings during first quarter 2008, compared with 9,443 for the same time last year. During last year, 39,915 Colorado foreclosures were reported.’

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-17 20:18:53

Salida…middle of nowhere, the gas prices have to be hurting. I think Western Colorado is finally starting to slow down. Now if the rental prices would just drop…

 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 07:52:04


“She said that the homes are mostly speculative - those built without buyers. ‘These are typically developer-built homes that have never been sold,’ she said. ‘They are not typically owner-occupied homes.’”

Isn’t it nice to know that developers and Hopebuilders we speculating too. Public Hopebuilders have no reasons not to speculate with sharecroppers’ money. When speculation pays off, as it did for Robert Toll during 2004-05, you make a bundle and when it doesn’t the sharecroppers foot the losses.

Jas

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 07:58:28


‘People want to know when we’re going to back to the other market…’

And who are stupid enough to go back to “the other market?” You mean brokers and builders, or people who want a reasonably priced home?

Jas

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 08:05:33


“Blandford decided Wednesday night to increase the number of homesites that will go on sale today to 100 from 62. Blandford Homes president Jeff Blandford said the decision was based on potential buyers from as far away as Alaska and Canada who worried they’d spend $800 to fly to the Valley and not be able to buy a home once here.”

“Blandford has been treating campers to PeiWei, Vito’s and other take-out food. In the morning, his sales agents deliver Starbucks coffee, doughnuts and bagels.”

Vow! Creating a buying frenzy? No lack of promoters in a nation of promoters. (During the last century they were able to sell KKK to Indiana in less than two years where there was hardly any black population).

Jas

 
Comment by Tim
2008-05-17 08:09:05

Public trustees reported 23 percent more foreclosure starts in the first quarter of 2008 than in the same period last year. . . McMaken said he never thought a 20 percent jump would look good, but it does after last’s year huge surge.”

Does he really think that a slowing % increase in foreclosures YOY actually means the number of foreclosures is decreasing rather than increasing at a feverish pace? I wish basic math classes were required for anyone in a real estate related profession, or at least before they are allowed to express an opinion.

Comment by vmaxer
2008-05-17 09:10:39

Yeah, I guess he thinks it would be great if the % increase, in foreclosures, leveled off at a high plateau.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-17 08:16:33

Pavlovegas lived by the HELOC, and will die without constant reinforcement…

Roll over and play dead.

“Scratch beneath the surface and even The Strip is losing its lustre. Scott Kleven, a floor supervisor patrolling the card tables in Bally’s casino on The Strip, said: ‘People are definitely spending less. Gas prices are rising, the economy is declining, the elections are coming up - no one knows what’s going on in the States.’”

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 08:17:38


“home rage had become common in Las Vegas.”

Home rage, road rage, pretty soon there will be work-place rage, and there wouldn’t be very many places without rage for many.

Jas

Comment by laughing boy
2008-05-17 09:38:49

work-place rage = ‘going postal’

 
Comment by qaxbami
2008-05-17 10:33:08

Foreclosed properties that are trashed will sell for considerably less than non-trashed properties, contributing even more to the decline in housing values. I read somewhere that some banks are instituting a “cash for keys” program to prevent this type of damage. I think the payment was $2500, which would be a lot less than the repairs would cost.

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-05-17 08:26:57

I wonder how many construction workers still see Vegas as the promised land? Sounds like pretty soon Vegas might have to put up some of those Depression-era billboards urging new arrivals to just keep going. The question is…to where? 2008 CA is not 1934 CA. And Midwest mfg.? Ha.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-05-17 09:55:14

They’ve been coming up north to WA state in droves, as it’s perceived as a ‘healthy’ market for housing and construction. I wish the state would nail the contractors balls to the wall for getting rich (or going BK) on the backs of illegal labor, and send the illegals back to Mexico where they can get in line for citizenship. I’m fed up with these shenanigans.

 
Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-05-17 09:57:46

Brazil, learn Portuguese.

Comment by dingojoe
2008-05-17 20:46:46

Oddly enough, quite a few Brazilian construction workers have appeared here in New Orleans. Apparently, they’re better at the finish carpentry than Mexican workers.

 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 08:28:17


‘The first quarter of 2008 ranks as the most severe contraction ever reported in one quarter, surpassing the fourth quarter of 2007, which had a 53.4 percent drop.”

Let us see if we can keep the record going. With demand going negative (people moving with others or living in cars, etc.) we might have to put a complete halt on construction. I know it is not nice, but sometimes we do need tough love, don’t we?

Jas

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-17 08:33:49

Just down the road from Vegas, a thousand miles or 2…

Are monumental pyramid schemes of another time and place~

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-17 20:20:43

Toltec Homes…

 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 08:37:50


“‘Buyers have unrealistic expectations,’ he said. ‘They read about how bad the housing market is and think they’ll go to a resort town and get something for a lot less.’”
I feel your pain.

We all know who is at fault – the buyers with “unrealistic expectations.” Sellers and builders are being victimized by these unrealistic buyers. Shameful.

Jas

 
Comment by Talon
2008-05-17 08:46:07

“after her mortgage unexpectedly ‘reset, capped out and doubled’ to $3,200 a month in December.”

Just how does one’s mortage “unexpectedly” reset?

Comment by sfbayqt
2008-05-17 09:22:40

I guess she didn’t read her paperwork either. And as a *property broker*, shame on her.

BayQT~

 
Comment by Curt
2008-05-17 09:34:08

Another victim. How sad.

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-05-17 08:50:34

“He said some builders may have been trying to sell a house for $1.2 million that cost them $900,000 to build and until the foreclosure were unwilling to budge on the price. ‘The lender starts the foreclosure to protect itself, and the builder gets a reality shot,’ Rinner said.”

Whooo HOOO! Builders are getting a reality shot! Awwright! I’ll donate more bullets right away, as I sure don’t want anyone running out!
Oh. Dang, that’s one of them ‘figurative expressions’, isn’t it. Well, shoot. (hahaha. I’m funny today.)

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-05-17 08:52:17

Seriously, though, can’t we kill them? Please?

Comment by Houstonstan
2008-05-17 09:16:24

Starvation will take care of it. Unless they have a secret stash of cake that is..

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-05-17 09:28:33

‘Unless they have a secret stash of cake that is..’

Oh, I have one of them there secret stashes too. Bullets and cake, just the essentials.

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Comment by BanteringBear
2008-05-17 09:58:25

Did your kidneys get sunburned? The heat is on again. Will be hosing down the pups all day…

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-05-17 10:19:58

‘Did your kidneys get sunburned? ‘

They sure did, BB. All of me did. I’m pretty in pink right now.
‘Hosing down the pups all day’? I hope that’s just a good-hearted dog afficionado talking, and that’s not some sort of euphemism for unsavory rural practices. But if it is, I want to hear alllll about the practice. Good ideas are golden, you know.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-05-17 11:02:16

Finally starting to cool off here. Ocean breeze has picked up and some fog has started to appear. Thank God for nature’s air conditioner.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-05-17 11:10:38

Yes, good-hearted dog lover here. Pup is now pups as I’ve added a starving stray husky to the mix. Trying to keep them cool as they’re both built for the arctic, but it feels like Africa around here.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-05-17 11:12:35

This is the first warm weekend we’ve had so far, sanfran. A nice change. See, it turns out that there’s this giant ball of flaming gas called a ’sun’, and it emits scientific ray thingies. I know–sounds crazy and made-up, but it really exists! I saw it yesterday. And it’s back again today.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2008-05-17 11:50:35

Nah. You’ve been duped. It’s all global warming. Gotta admit that sun thing seems mighty convincing, though.

 
Comment by are they crazy
2008-05-17 12:38:09

105 out here in the desert. Scorching!

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-05-17 13:09:00

Olygal,

I remember the rains when I was up in your neck of the woods. I was whining one day about the rain and someone said “stop whining, why do you think they call this the evergreen state.” Broke out laughing. Couldn’t argue the point.

For me, where I live, the weather is just right. I’m one of those gals that like the temp around 70s for hot weather. So when we get these hot days 90 and above, I’m whining bah, yuck, and a prayer to whoever god or goddess is listening to let the fog come back.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-05-17 09:18:15

“Gail Burks, the head of the Nevada Fair Housing Centre, a citizens advice bureau, said that home rage had become common in Las Vegas. ‘There have been five foreclosures on my street, three of which ripped everything out,’ said Ms Banks, who receives about 600 requests a month now for advice on foreclosure, compared with about 200 in October last year.”

It’s Mad, Max.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-05-17 09:25:14

“The property boom left Las Vegas with a construction industry that accounted for 12 per cent of its jobs, twice the national average.”

I was able to buy my 1st house because a major employer laid off a sizable part of it’s workforce. The local unemployment rate soared to a mere 6 percent and houses were sale on every street for years. Foreclosures were so numerous it sent several condo HOA’s into dire money problems. It took seven years to recover.

 
Comment by sagesse
2008-05-17 09:46:19

Bear Hollow: one of the last developments between Park City and I-80, they really crammed in the cubic footage: bedroom windows facing outside hallways, no inside stair cases - hello this is snow country. Some were supposed to be affordable housing and ended up on regular RE market soon thereafter, how is this possible - hello city hall.
They allow nightly rentals, i.e. were built for second home investors. Some must having trouble covering their carrying costs, long term rentals are advertised at ridiculous prices.
Number of Park City foreclosures listed on ‘www foreclosure’ has quintupled in a month, by the way. Many in Bear Hollow, or Redstone.

Comment by goedeck
2008-05-17 10:40:06

Sagesse
I’ve vacationed a few times in pc for snowboarding.

That Redstone place always looked empty. Some of those condos look so small and crammed together.

Comment by sagesse
2008-05-17 11:01:41

Eighty percent of this town is uninhabited in the off season. I liked that for a while. Left last year, and will not go back, but enjoy feeling a bit of glee when, well, reality finally catches up with the ’skier turned realtor’ fragment of the populace (that’s almost everyone).

 
 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-05-17 09:50:38

“Countrywide has suspended the home equity credit lines of most of its Las Vegas customers.”

7 Out, Line away

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2008-05-17 09:55:55

The Park Record should have interviewed that “othe”r realtor from Park City, would have made for better copy. I won’t mention names, but think Deep Throat, and no, I’m not talking about the Watergate kind. And no, I’m not kidding, either, it turns up pretty easily on a google search. That’s where he finally landed and that’s what he’s now doing.

Adds a whole new dimension to being screwed by a realtor, I can imagine…

Comment by sagesse
2008-05-17 11:25:32

The porn again Christian.

Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-05-17 11:28:35

“The trouble with born-again Christians is that they are an even bigger pain the second time around.”

Herb Caen

Comment by iftheshoefits
2008-05-17 11:46:44

Being a believer myself, I’m not going to knock his midlife conversion on the face of it. But a lot of those radical conversions never last long, I’ll admit. I’d feel more optimistic about it all if he had chosen to move to a more reputable profession instead of going the opposite direction, though…

He claims he never made a cent from DT, it all went to the mob. At least now he gets 6% before the rest goes to the mob.

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Comment by Bruce Dickinson
2008-05-17 10:22:03

Wasn’t there a dipshit called Las Vegas Landlord who was posting frequently here several years ago and was very smug about things…..

 
Comment by goedeck
2008-05-17 10:30:51

“‘Ultimately our industry gets it,’ Mike Brodsky, owner of Hamlet Homes, said.
comment: apparently not see next comment:

Hamlet Homes owns the condos at Bear Hollow, some of which have been on the market for three years, Brodsky said.

However, he added the price [comment: ASKING price] of the residential units remains high. ‘The prices today are still up significantly from what they were when the condos were first put on the market,’ he said.”

“Dennis Hanlon, a Park-City based Realtor, said his agency’s home sales are ‘definitely down’ and residences are taking longer to sell. Hanlon said home prices remain high despite the downturn.”[comment: if they got it they would lower prices]

“‘Buyers have unrealistic expectations,’ he said. ‘They read about how bad the housing market is and think they’ll go to a resort town and get something for a lot less.’”
[comment/rework: They (buyers) read about how good the vacation home will be and think they'll go to a resort town and make a lot of money.]

Comment by goedeck
2008-05-17 10:33:12

Bear Hollow is a good five miles out in the sticks from Park City.

Btw BEAR HOLLOW: appropriate name.

Comment by sagesse
2008-05-17 11:08:34

Those places have been on the market for three years, why will he not sell them? I think they rent them out in the meantime.

 
 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-17 10:53:04

“There are 28,655 vacant properties on the market in Las Vegas as a result of foreclosure, Ms Banks said.”

Around April of last year, one of these articles said 10,000 vacant foreclosed properties in LV. It seemed very substantial at the time. Now, 28,655 .. a 3-fold increase. At this rate, next year’s tally should be near 84,000.

Vegas is 131 sq mi. There are now 218 empties per sq. mi.
At 84,000 there will be 641 per sq.mi. or, one per acre.

 
Comment by Chucky
2008-05-17 17:10:19

‘Sixty-three percent of the homes sold in the last 30 days were bank owned property,’

Does the median price for Sac include these sales??

 
Comment by Chucky
2008-05-17 17:17:32

Oops wrong thread

 
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