May 17, 2008

Foreclosures Are Defining The Market In California

The Recordnet reports from California. “The sales run for existing homes in San Joaquin Countya…about 80 percent is the foreclosure sector…continued to pick up speed in April. Prices fell sharply in April, sliding below the $200,000 mark in Stockton, for example, for the first time since March 2003, when the median sales price was $193,000, according to MLS data. ‘We were the first in the tank, and I think we’ll be the first to crawl out,’ said Jerry Abbott, president and co-owner of Coldwell Banker Grupe.”

“Cameron Pannabecker, owner of Cal-Pro Mortgage Inc. in Stockton and a board director of the California Association of Mortgage Brokers, said he is urging caution about buying now as real estate agents and brokers tout the current market as a great time to buy. That’s consumer abuse, he said.”

“‘Tell me how it is different to tell someone to hurry up and buy into a market that is clearly still on the way down?’ he said. ‘If prices dropped 40 percent in a year when there were 4,000 foreclosures, what can it do other than decline that much or more in a year when we will have that many foreclosures in the first four months?’”

The Sacramento Bee. “About 85,000 Sacramento County homeowners will begin receiving notification next week that their next round of property taxes will be lowered due to declining home values.”

“Regionally, nearly 180,000 Sacramento-area homeowners will get tax relief this year as county assessors across the region engage in a wholesale markdown of home values.”

“‘We will have a negative assessment roll for what I think is the first time in the history of the county since 1850,’ said Assessor David Brown. ‘We have had small growth years, but we never had a negative roll.’”

The Daily News. “Housing prices across the nation are dropping and, with that, the nation is seeing an increase in foreclosures. Whether Tehama County is following that trend is open to debate.”

“Foreclosure filings between January and March have reached a new high and, according to the government, so are the number of vacant homes on the market. ‘Sixty-three percent of the homes sold in the last 30 days were bank owned property,’ said Lori Slade, of River City Realty in Red Bluff. ‘If you added short sale, there’d be more.’”

The Press Democrat. “In a sign Sonoma County’s unsettled housing market may be slowly starting to stabilize, home sales rose in April for the first annual increase in more than two years.”

“Prices are continuing to fall, with sales concentrated at lower ranges and foreclosure properties driving down values in many neighborhoods. Homeowners in financial distress continue to swamp the resale market, keeping supplies high even as sales rise with the summer home-buying season under way.”

“‘People who have held off are coming into the market,’ said Chris Smith, an agent in Santa Rosa. ‘We’ve got some outrageous deals out there. Some of them are half the price they were two years ago.’”

“More than 40 percent of homes on the market countywide are distressed properties, led by Southwest and Northwest Santa Rosa, Cotati and Rohnert Park, East Petaluma and Windsor, according to a survey by Pete Deatherage of Pacific Appraisals in Rohnert Park.”

“Banks also have been increasingly aggressive in cutting prices and marketing foreclosure properties to remove them from their books, said Smith, who also sells foreclosed homes for Countrywide Home Loans.”

“‘They’re being more realistic with their pricing. They’re starting to be more efficient about getting them on the market and in our hands,’ Smith said. ‘To some degree, they are defining the market. That’s where the business is.’”

Bay Area Newsgroup. “The East Bay employment slump shows no signs it will relent any time soon, according to a state report released Friday that sketched a grim picture of hundreds more jobs being lost in the area.”

“Propelled in part by a super-heated housing market, the East Bay economy in recent years rocketed higher and was the strongest in the Bay Area. With the fuel now largely spent, the region has spiraled lower during the last several months.”

“‘Housing is still in free fall, consumer spending is drying up and the government is getting pummelled by loss of revenue,’ said Christopher Thornberg, an economist with Beacon Economics. ‘Where is the strength in the East Bay economy? Not much points to a recovery’ soon.”

“‘It’s very difficult to find a job. It’s really bad,’ said Sheena Lewis, a Livermore resident. ‘The only jobs you can find are low paying jobs that offer no advancement.’”

“Lewis, who held a wide array of jobs in two mortgage companies in recent years, said she is not being picky in trying to find work. ‘I don’t have a preference,’ Lewis said. ‘I’m looking at anything.’”

The Santa Cruz Sentinel. “Last year, the Realtors for Easter Seals golf tournament in Aptos raised more than $40,000. This year, organizers are having trouble getting sponsors for the June 20 benefit. Lenders and title companies that gave $1,000 last year have said no.”

“‘The picture is bleak,’ said Tony Crane of First Horizon Home Loans.”

“Crane and his employer, First Horizon Home Loans of Capitola, gave $1,000 last year. This year, First Horizon said no. So did FirstNet Mortgage, Resource Lenders Inc. and Wachovia. Also sending regrets: three title companies — Santa Cruz Title, First American Title and Old Republic Title — and Terminix.”

“The Santa Cruz Association of Realtors, which gave $1,000 last year, is giving $200 this year.”

“‘It’s sad our industry has been hit so hard,’ said Misty Ewald of Century 21 in Aptos, who has volunteered for the Easter Seals golf benefit since it started seven years ago. ‘We’re not getting the money we’re used to.’”

“To compensate, she is soliciting donations from other groups and other industries. ‘The Hells Angels donated $500 for the first time ever,’ she said.”

The Tribune. “A former Arizona real estate agent is suspected in five armed robberies in San Luis Obispo County, including one of a real estate agent and another at a real estate office.”

“David Albertsen, 64, is suspected of robbing the agent during an open house in Atascadero on April 27, two days after he allegedly walked into a real estate office in Arroyo Grande and robbed an employee at gunpoint, according to police.”

“Paso Robles investigators say Albertsen robbed a man sitting in a car at a gas station May 2, adding that he seemed rather apologetic during the crime.”

“‘He said, ‘Sorry dude, but I’m kind of desperate,’ the victim told police.”

The Adobe Press. “The economic future for northern Santa Barbara County is not bright, and the situation is not expected to begin improving until 2009 or 2010, according to predictions released last Friday by the UCSB Economic Forecast Project.”

“With the real estate market ‘close to freefall, both in sales and price,’ retail sales in a slump, population falling and agriculture weak, the area’s economy is deep in a three-year recession, according to the forecast delivered at Allan Hancock College.”

“Northern Santa Barbara has felt the real estate crisis more strongly than the rest of the county as a whole, according to the Economic Forecast Project.”

“‘The region has been very hard hit by the collapse in home sales,’ Bill Watkins, executive director of the UCSB Economic Forecast Project, said in his executive summary. ‘The housing, construction and financing/real estate issue will continue to be a drag on North County’s economy for some time.’

“In just two years - 2006 and 2007 - home sales plummeted 60 percent. While the median price for all homes - single and multifamily, new and used - slumped 1.9 percent in 2006, the price fell another 15.9 percent in 2007.”

“In Lompoc, the price fell $57,100; in Santa Maria, the price plunged $70,400, or 18.8 percent, over two years.”

“At the same time, the area has taken the brunt of the county’s foreclosures, the report says. Santa Maria, Lompoc and Guadalupe accounted for 87.3 percent of all foreclosures in Santa Barbara County in 2007. Santa Maria suffered the most, accounting for 64.6 percent of the 676 foreclosures in the county in 2007.”

The Orange County Register. “The Great Park, billed as the first great metropolitan park of the 21st Century, relies on one source for about a third of its $1.1 billion construction budget: Lennar Corp.”

“But some critics fear that the housing slump could imperil the next big chunk of cash needed for the park: $201 million worth of bonds to pay for infrastructure. Lennar originally believed it would be selling homes by now in its Great Parks Neighborhoods - formerly Heritage Fields.”

“But homes aren’t selling, so Lennar’s not building - at least not until late 2010, at the soonest.”

“‘When housing slows down, it affects everything, said Dick Sim, a former Great Park board member who resigned in 2005. ‘Revenues go down, and costs go up. This park will drag on for 20 or 30 years.’”

“Walter Hahn, an Irvine real estate consultant, agrees that housing delays have pushed park development back about three years or more. But he believes that once the housing market returns, homes will sell briskly in Lennar’s Great Park Neighborhoods, which he called a ‘golden’ property.’”

“‘In my opinion, it’s going to happen because the money’s going to flow once the (tax districts) get formed and the bonds get sold and the housing gets built,’ Hahn said. ‘We have another boom coming. Don’t lose sight of that.’”

The San Diego Business Journal. “In May, foreclosed homes in San Diego County owned by lenders reached 5,463; an additional 3,413 foreclosed homes were scheduled for auction; and 12,320 homes were in default and headed to foreclosure, says Brian Yui, founder of HouseRebate in San Diego.”

“San Diego County auction sales increased by 50 percent from March to April. Statewide, auction sales of foreclosed homes averaged 1,000 a day in April - four times the rate of April 2007, according to ForeclosureRadar.com.”

“‘We’ve been chasing it for six months. There’s all kinds of fluff on the Internet, but you find that it’s brokers tied to brokers,’ said says Lorne Polger, managing partner of San Diego-based Pathfinder Partners LLC, who says he has access to $400 million in institutional money to buy pools of REO properties.”

“‘Unfortunately, we’ve got the money ready to go, but so far it’s a fruitless endeavor,’ he said.”

The Union Tribune. “A growing number of housing professionals…are preparing foreclosed homes for resale. The work can range from simple landscaping to removing debris that angry evictees have strewn through their former residences.”

“It’s not unusual to find vacant dwellings filled with trash and stained carpets, said Al Neilson of Neilson Construction Cleanup Services in San Diego. Neilson has repaired bank-owned homes during several sales downturns.”

“Cabinets often are missing, he said. Sometimes even the toilets and bathtubs have been removed. ‘I would say 50 percent of the houses get trashed,’ Neilson said. The evicted homeowners ‘are discouraged about how the system has let them down.’”

“Recently, an MHS repairman found out just how angry displaced homeowners can be. He couldn’t find a house he was sent to work on in Yucaipa, even with the aid of a GPS navigation system. Finally, he realized he was in the right place, but the house was no longer there.”

“‘He called and said, ‘I know I am in front of the right house, but somebody has knocked it down,’ Jay Kerr said. ‘Someone took a skip loader and knocked the house down. It was in a big pile.’”

“When he reported the incident, Kerr expected bank representatives to be upset, but ‘it wasn’t like they even raised an eyebrow.’”

“That’s probably because there are so many foreclosures, he said. Lenders are overwhelmed ‘and the work keeps coming.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-17 11:35:25

‘San Diego County auction sales increased by 50 percent from March to April.’

Oh dear…

Comment by James
2008-05-17 12:09:32

We got the good ole spiraling thing going now. Bunch of defaults… drives prices down… knife catchers jump in… next wave of defaults.

Talked to coworkers in a large aerospace company in south bay LA. Seems like the Vietnamese click of coworkers have a bunch of cash and are talking about cash purchases to rent out in Temecula/Murrieta area.

I advised against it.

I have no idea where these guys get their money though.

Comment by Rogue
2008-05-17 12:34:16

Their wives and daughters all to manicures…

Comment by happybeachlife
2008-05-17 23:39:27

Rogue,
“Their wives and daughters all to manicures” I think their wives and their daughters at least working hard and saving up the money.. Dont’ you think our american should rethink about saving hard instead of spending and spending

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Comment by Neil
2008-05-17 18:40:13

Talked to coworkers in a large aerospace company in south bay LA. Seems like the Vietnamese click of coworkers have a bunch of cash and are talking about cash purchases to rent out in Temecula/Murrieta area.

Some people just like to show off. Use propertyshark to see if they’ve extracted equity to live their lifestyle.

A really nice home came on the market (foreclosure) that several coworkers liked (heck, if I could afford it, I like it!). Someone who earns… less than I do has bid on it. I was surprised… but he’s older and maybe the Harley was a one time splurge… nope. He admitted to a coworker (as I was rounding the corner) that he’s ‘underwater’ on the current home and thus couldn’t sell it.

I almost tripped as I tried to figure out that logic. Yes. Coworker #2 this week! Underwater on the primary residence, so obviously that means its time to bid on a foreclosure…

The 401k’s are getting raped. The Doosenbury effect is going full bore. The fat lady is going to have the greatest finale since 1930.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-05-17 14:07:55

ROBERT J. SHILLER ..Scars of Lossing a Home

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/business/18view.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

He’s just an old softie :)

Comment by JP
2008-05-17 15:35:47

My favorite stat: Homeownership rates under Mr. Ownership Society will most likely be lower at the end of his presidency than the beginning–

Already, the homeownership rate has fallen — from 69.1 percent in the first quarter of 2005 to 67.8 percent in the first quarter of 2008. That’s almost back to the 67.5 percent level where it stood when Mr. Bush took office in 2001.

Comment by manraygun
2008-05-17 16:03:42

Least favorite quote:

“The pain of this reverse movement could leave a psychological scar that will be with all of us for the rest of our lives.”

As if it shouldn’t!

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Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 16:21:27


The target rate of 70% by “Mr. Homeownership” reminded me of the Central Planning, Soviet-style.

Jas

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Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 19:07:43


FWC: “The Scars of Losing a Home”

Shiller: “Homeownership is fundamental part of a sense of belonging to a country.”

This is idiotic. Maybe, some crazies will define it as a fundamental right.

Jas

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-17 20:41:18

I agree, Jas. This puff piece was beyond moronic and not even worth clicking the link. Let me sum it up for you:

“Picture schoolchildren saying goodbye to their classmates. They aren’t going on vacation: they are being abruptly moved to the other side of town.”

“…we cannot squarely place the blame for the current mortgage mess on the homeowner.”

“But instead of having sympathy for these homeowners, many people blame them for their predicaments”

“Homeownership is fundamental part of a sense of belonging to a country.”

“Already, the homeownership rate has fallen…almost back to the 67.5 percent level where it stood when Mr. Bush took office in 2001. And it is likely to fall further.”

Save the Children! Save the homeowners! Renting is un-American! If home ownership falls, the Terrorists win!

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Comment by Poor Dad
2008-05-17 23:09:12

It bothered me to read those comments from Mr. Shiller- I have held him in high regard for his comments pointing out the “Irrational Exuberance” of others in this succession of speculative Federal Reserve-supported bubbles.

If anything, the speculators drove prices to the point where homeownership was not realistic for rational thinkers- rational thinkers who didn’t own a house or have old money at the start of this bubble rented and saved their money. Now that the irrational exuberance surrounding housing is waning, chances for people to buy a home as a place to live in (vs. as a guaranteed winning lottery ticket once you flip it) might start to surface.

Nobody felt sorry for me when my dotcom stock options were worthless. The government even showed open contempt for people like me when they opened the visa floodgates for people welcomed specifically to take jobs like mine.

Why should we feel sorry for gamblers in this bubble, but not the others? If we are obliged to bail out people hurt by manias, I want the government to purchase my old stick options and give me an Aeron chair.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-17 20:26:00

Funny that he seems to make a blanket assumption that foreclosures are tantamount to families losing their homes. Has he ever heard of flippers who owned one, two, or ten homes, having lied about being the owner-occupant of all ten? I have a hard time activating my tear glands when thinking of all the fools who gambled on SFRs as an investment.

 
 
Comment by Wickedheart
2008-05-17 17:06:51

Believe it Ben, in SD people are all over foreclosures here like flies on a fresh pile of crap. And many of these places are just that, CRAP. If it’s in a fairly decent area, multiple offers, lots. So many in fact the bank will stop taking offers It all about location. People might care in El Cajon how nasty the house is but in my neighborhood they could care less…………….

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2008-05-17 19:33:34

I think my other post got eaten. Anyway, foreclosures in decent neighborhoods in SD are getting snatched up quick. They are being priced pretty competitively and have multiple offers. I’m depressed.

Comment by Mike in Carlsbad
2008-05-18 10:30:19

I was in the same boat, I saw some nice 1980-1990 SFRs in nice neighborhood in North County SD listing for $250,000-270000 by the banks. I even contacted a mortgage broker, but when I asked the realtor to see it all of them said “multiple offers already in” after being on the market 5 days. Some even asked for copies of my preapproved financing before they would even show such properties. I don’t play the multiple offer game so I said no thanks anyway. Then I saw an article on here, that this pricing strategy is the new bait, these homes are not really being sold at these prices, that is just to get you in the door, its bait and switch, don’t fall for it.

I’m giving the market a few more years and if its not affordable for a first time buyer couple earning $100,000 a year to get something decent, forget it, California can keep its sunshine and I’ll move to Austin, Albaquerque, or Denver. I see my company moaning in the paper that they can’t find and keep enough high tech US workers (defense contractor) in San Diego, I will just be another worker with the skills they need to fill contracts who will be taking his ball and going home.

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-05-17 11:53:35

Comforts Ben.

It should be all under control after Spring …of 2012 ? :)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-17 12:22:26

“‘Housing is still in free fall, consumer spending is drying up and the government is getting pummelled by loss of revenue,’ said Christopher Thornberg, an economist with Beacon Economics.”

Sounds as though a bottom is at hand.

Comment by scdave
2008-05-17 12:31:30

Yep….Real estate taxes and sales taxes are both in decline…..Next shoe will be income tax receipts…IMO, The 17 bil in the red for 08-09 budget is nothing compared to what we are going to see in 09-10 budget..

Comment by Ernest
2008-05-17 12:53:33

Not to worry because all those people with negative equity and hard to find jobs not to mention the millions of illegals are going to buy lots and lots of lottery tickets.

 
Comment by OCDan
2008-05-17 12:55:53

Vallejo = State of CA.

Flat. Busted. Broke. BK. Whatever you want to call it.

And what is with the knucklehead who thinks the Great Park is gonna sell when things pick back up? Even for Irvine, when will things pick up? How many in that area are on the edge. Let’s face it, despite all those financially savvy people out there, they are outnumbered at least 2-1, even in the mighty South OC. Come on. People have lived large for 25 years and now that the bill is due, THERE IS NO CASH!

Might I also make an observation. Is it me or are there more and more Garage Sale signs being posted and all throughout the week, not just Saturdays? And this is Mission Viejo/RSM/Lake Forest/Foothill Ranch areas! They seem to be creeping up everywhere. Sorry, call me back when everything is 75% off.

Not. Going. To. Buy. Your. Toys!

Got cash?

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-17 13:09:33

Yesterday i drove by a yard sale on the way to the store.. weird thing was all the furniture, bicycles, small appliances, clothes and stuff was in a big pile on the sidewalk.. and nobody was around.

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Comment by az_lender
2008-05-17 14:19:54

Garage sales have their good points. This a.m. I was thinking about going to the hardware store to buy one or two more of those little window screens that are just 10 inches high, and slide in or out to adjust to your window width. (For old-fashioned windows that go up and down in a slot.) The screens cost about $10 each at h’ware, but on the way I stopped at a garage sale that had three of them for $1 each. No h’ware store today.

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Comment by Toast on the Coast, 90803
2008-05-17 16:01:38

That is putting pressure on the retailers. I needed appliances for a rental I have. Purchased 4 year old Whirlpool. dishwasher,oven,stove, built in microwave, maytag stackable and refrig. for a total for $400 and a 10,000 btu a/c unit for $25. All the items were found on Craigs list. and would have cost about 3k at retail plus tax

 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-05-17 14:39:55

First comes, the garage sale…then comes the pawn shop… then comes the storage unit…then comes the U-Haul…then comes the state line: Leaving California! Only 1,387 Miles to Arkansas. :-)

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Comment by scdave
2008-05-17 14:56:00

Funny…:)

 
Comment by bluprint
2008-05-17 21:56:17

Leaving California! Only 1,387 Miles to Arkansas.

Er…no thanks. The clownifornians don’t wanna come here. It’s all deliverance all the time. And we got ticks. And mosquitos. Stay in your custom built Cali paradise, thanks.

 
 
Comment by Toast on the Coast, 90803
2008-05-17 15:55:08

Last year I noticed on Craigs list here in the OC lot’s of office furniture etc. from mortage companies and other real estate related companies going belly up. This year I ‘m noticing people are selling furniture, appliances and even granite counter tops and they are not embarassed to say the house is in foreclosure , come and get it!
Nice Haircut!

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Comment by pismoclam
2008-05-17 21:00:23

Gary, Gary, Gary Watts, come in please. Help us out. What’s to happen in the OC?

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Comment by pismoclam
2008-05-17 17:17:28

Don’t believe any of those dorks from Anderson at UCLA or the shill group at USC. Thornberg is the real deal.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-17 12:30:27

“‘We’ve been chasing it for six months. There’s all kinds of fluff on the Internet, but you find that it’s brokers tied to brokers,’ said says Lorne Polger, managing partner of San Diego-based Pathfinder Partners LLC, who says he has access to $400 million in institutional money to buy pools of REO properties.”

I cannot fathom how it makes sense for institutional investors to catch falling knives, unless there is hope for bailout money from the Fed or from the Congress to drive housing price inflation back through the roof. I personally hope the next batch of investors in residential property loses their shirts.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-17 13:00:03

‘hope for bailout money from the Fed or from the Congress to drive housing price inflation back through the roof’

Oh, please. The idea that that is even remotely possible is ridiculous. These are bulk sales. The buyers will turn around and undercut the market all the more. They have to, the prices will be lower the longer they hold them. This happened with the resolution trust corporation all the way to the bottom. The Rockefellers turned one billion $ into 1.6 B doing this exact thing.

Here a bit from the Recordnet article that shows how slippery the slope has become:

‘foreclosure asset managers now setting prices for newly repossessed properties not at what they are at the initial appraisal mark but where prices will likely be sitting in three months - about the time it will take for the new foreclosures to get listed on the market’

Comment by lovpunani
2008-05-17 15:14:31

Hey Peeps,

I had a question, what do you say to people who says that the goverment has a lot of power to control the economy, like preventing recession?

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-17 15:49:17

You’ve gotta seize the upperhand immediately. Tell them that the Illuminati only make it appear as though the government has control.

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Comment by dude
2008-05-17 15:49:27

Tell them that it worked out well for the USSR.

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Comment by Vermontergal
2008-05-17 16:19:29

Since these people are usually my MIL, the best maneuver is to smile and change the subject.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-17 20:34:02

“The idea that that is even remotely possible is ridiculous.”

I agree with this, but I am concerned over sound bites in the MSM which suggest that kick-starting residential real estate price inflation is a shared policy goal between the Fed and the Congress which MSM-favored ‘experts’ never bother to question. I do not believe they will achieve this objective, but I do believe the attempt will worsen an already bad situation.

 
 
Comment by nvest80
2008-05-17 13:03:55

Well, you do bulk REO purchases of $50M or more at 50-55% bpo. Then you sell them down to others in smaller investment bundles and/or do the rehab, marketing, and sell yourself.

Just because it doesn’t make sense to buy RE at retail, doesn’t mean that one cannot make money in the current RE market. There are ways to make money, but you have to know what you are doing, have the required resources AND THE INVESTORS/MONEY.

 
 
Comment by kidbuck
2008-05-17 12:47:58

A small subdivision of McMansions in Cheltenham, MD - which happens to have a wonderful view of the veterans cemetery - has for the past two years sported a sign saying “starting at $600,000.” Last week the sign said, “starting at $400,000.”

That’s progress.

Comment by OCDan
2008-05-17 12:57:19

Call me when the sign says:

“Starting at $50,000!”

 
Comment by BottomFisher
2008-05-17 13:48:53

Go at night and paint over one zero…..that should get more lookers

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 16:16:00


There is term, rarely used, called retrogress.

Jas

Comment by Vermontergal
2008-05-17 16:26:48

There is term, rarely used, called retrogress

I’d say there’s a good reason why “retrogress” is rarely used.

Me, I’m stickin’ with “roll-back”. I picture a smily face every time I see it.

 
 
 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2008-05-17 12:56:28

“Cameron Pannabecker, owner of Cal-Pro Mortgage Inc. in Stockton and a board director of the California Association of Mortgage Brokers, said he is urging caution about buying now as real estate agents and brokers tout the current market as a great time to buy. That’s consumer abuse, he said.”

“Consumer abuse” - what a great term. Should become a new HBB catchphrase.

And to think that guy is right in the middle of it all - hope he checks his back regularly with that kind of talk.

Comment by SDGreg
2008-05-17 14:49:05

“Cameron Pannabecker, owner of Cal-Pro Mortgage Inc. in Stockton and a board director of the California Association of Mortgage Brokers, said he is urging caution about buying now as real estate agents and brokers tout the current market as a great time to buy. That’s consumer abuse, he said.”

We no longer have much in the way of consumer protection laws and never had much as applies to real estate. We continue to have the perverse situation where one of the biggest purchases many people make has little or no protection under consumer protection laws and some of the sleaziest business practices are allowed to flourish. When you have government in bed with an industry, the consumer is screwed.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2008-05-17 19:30:37

Good point. In most industries, if salesman made the types of fradulent misrepresentations (at least with respect to market conditions) that Ben and others report here daily… they would at least be laughed out of town, if not cited in some fashion.

 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 12:57:04

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CA foreclosures are hot among speculators…

Just came back from take out pick up from the most popular Chinese in town. I know the chef-owner and he was at the register for a change. He owned 10 homes and several lots 2-3 years ago. He put two of each for sale in 2005-06 and was able to sell only one of each. He said that had is not been able to sell the lot (commercial 3.3 acre for 1.2M ) he wouldn’t have been able to meet mortgage payments.

Anyway, he is looking to buy two foreclosure homes in Palmdale (an hour away). I advised him against it but you can guess what he thought of that.

Jas

Comment by dude
2008-05-17 15:29:03

We had a realtor with a brand new REO listing come by the house yesterday to let us know about it.

209K asking for 1942sqft in the newer (not custom) part of the country club 93551. I’d give 145K but I’ll wait 6 weeks to see if it sells before I do anything.

It’s nice to see these asking prices barreling downslope. The knife catchers are doing their job and the comps are screaming downward.

Jas, my spider sense tells me that very shortly investards like your friend will consider the AV flyover country, as REO becomes more prevalent in Santa Clarita and SFV. That is when we’ll see the true implosion.

 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-05-17 13:13:34

Ever try & crawl out of a fully engulfed Panzer, Abbott?

‘We were the first in the tank, and I think we’ll be the first to crawl out,’ said Jerry Abbott, president and co-owner of Coldwell Banker Grupe.”

 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-05-17 13:21:38

“To compensate, she is soliciting donations from other groups and other industries. ‘The Hells Angels donated $500 for the first time ever,’ she said.”

The Hells Angels showed up here a few years ago, en masse…

You never saw so much law enforcement in your life, to stop the geritol motorcyclists from laying the town to waste.

 
Comment by smiling_in_SD
2008-05-17 13:28:57

“Cabinets often are missing, he said. Sometimes even the toilets and bathtubs have been removed. ‘I would say 50 percent of the houses get trashed,’ Neilson said. The evicted homeowners ‘are discouraged about how the system has let them down.’”

hey Einstein, it’s not the “system”, it’s their own stupidity.

Comment by Anthony
2008-05-17 13:52:35

But, but, these (former) homeowners are VICTIMS. The system let them down…they deserved to be in a lavish house with toys bought from home equity. They shouldn’t have to put any of their own money down. They need to be rescued!

Comment by are they crazy
2008-05-17 18:23:20

And it should all be free, tax free, and they shouldn’t have to pay for what they’ve already taken out in equity.

 
 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-05-17 13:33:00

“David Albertsen, 64, is suspected of robbing the agent during an open house in Atascadero on April 27, two days after he allegedly walked into a real estate office in Arroyo Grande and robbed an employee at gunpoint, according to police.”

The thief made off with 6% of nothing.

Comment by az_lender
2008-05-18 05:17:00

good one, Emperor

 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-05-17 13:38:09

Tijuana-adjacent isn’t so different from it’s namesake, all except for the donkey shows…

“It’s not unusual to find vacant dwellings filled with trash and stained carpets, said Al Neilson of Neilson Construction Cleanup Services in San Diego. Neilson has repaired bank-owned homes during several sales downturns.”

“Cabinets often are missing, he said. Sometimes even the toilets and bathtubs have been removed. ‘I would say 50 percent of the houses get trashed,’ Neilson said. The evicted homeowners ‘are discouraged about how the system has let them down.’”

Comment by reuven
2008-05-17 20:55:28

I would like to see just ONE criminal prosecution of a FB! Just ONE!

 
 
Comment by BottomFisher
2008-05-17 13:41:56

“‘He called and said, ‘I know I am in front of the right house, but somebody has knocked it down,’ Jay Kerr said. ‘Someone took a skip loader and knocked the house down. It was in a big pile.’”

A new trend in foreclosure teardowns begins

Comment by bizarroworld
2008-05-17 19:26:45

Talking Heads might put it this way:

Watch out you might get what you’re after
Cool baby strange but not a stranger
I’m an ordinary guy
Tearing down the house

Hold tight wait ’til the party’s over
Hold tight we’re in for nasty weather
There has got to be a way
Tearing down the house

 
 
Comment by the_economist
2008-05-17 13:46:30

The Easter Seals golf tourney that usually get donations from realty and title companies is getting one from the Hells Angels. Priceless!

 
Comment by mikey
2008-05-17 13:52:31

It might behoove US cities and the taxpayers to buy some kleenex tissues, a couple of sparklers and spend money re-educating their appraisers rather than blowing a Million frigging bucks plus on their stupid 4th of July fireworks celebrations this year :)

Whoops…I think I hear DHS a’knocking on my door :)

Comment by grumpy realist
2008-05-17 20:06:42

Actually, considering that a lot of the fireworks are manufactured in parts of China that got hit by the earthquake, the supply may not be there in any case (at least not at previous prices.)

Japanese fireworks are the best in the world, but very, very pricey.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-17 14:03:04

At last! Mortgage rate relief arrives
HELP FOR OWNERS, BUYERS IN HIGH-PRICED BAY AREA
By Sue McAllister
Mercury News
Article Launched: 05/17/2008 01:30:51 AM PDT

Comment by formerlahomeowner
2008-05-17 14:36:01

“In another effort to spur home buying, Fannie Mae announced Friday that it would back loans made with as little as a 3 percent down payment, even in markets where prices are declining. That announcement reversed a policy set in December, in which home buyers in declining markets were required to have bigger down payments to get a Fannie Mae-guaranteed loan. A potential problem with the new policy is that currently, mortgage insurers won’t sign off on deals with such low down payments.”

I wonder how they will close these deals without mortgage insurers? Are piggy-back loans still around?

Comment by pismoclam
2008-05-17 17:35:10

3 % down again! We’re in trouble again. Won’t we ever learn?

 
 
 
Comment by Thud
2008-05-17 14:13:26

“‘It’s very difficult to find a job. It’s really bad,’ said Sheena Lewis, a Livermore resident. ‘The only jobs you can find are low paying jobs that offer no advancement.’”
Sheena’s looking for a job on Craigslist. She has a high school diploma and some community college in general ed. She got into the mortgage business in 2004 as a receptionist from her previous job at Best Buy!
Classic.

Comment by Mike in Carlsbad
2008-05-17 15:23:51

My g/f was an admin at one of these shops and got to see some of these mortgage pusher’s W2s, $150,000 for little more than phone calls and paperwork, and the admins took care of the paperwork! I couldn’t figure it out, no education, not much work experience, and yet commanding such huge sums of money.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-17 16:03:54

imo, salesmanship is a talent.. it can’t be taught.. skills improve with practice.
One girl called me about some kinda wireless subscription. She was very good… an obvious natural. I told her she was in the wrong business.. that it took no more effort to sell yachts or houses than it did to sell $29.99/mo crap.

Comment by grumpy realist
2008-05-17 20:13:15

Except that when the mortgage bubble was growing, it probably didn’t take much expertise to sell.

The acid test is not whether you can sell in a growing market, but in a tight one…

(And yes, I agree completely with your argument. Used to sell large expensive pieces of experimental equipment. Got to be pretty good at it. At 8% commission, I was making out like a bandit. Company got mad because I was making more than the CEO. Sheesh–and here I thought that sales were a GOOD thing.)

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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-05-17 14:21:06

“But homes aren’t selling, so Lennar’s not building - at least not until late 2010, at the soonest.” :-)

Hey Crispy, Did Lennar ever finish that x1 house they were building in Bakersfried? ;-)

“Lennar Corp…“At its peak two years ago, the company took out 1,042 permits to build homes in Bakersfield,…In April, the company took out just one.”

1,042 units to ….in 24 months…1 ;-)

 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-05-17 14:32:56

‘We have another boom coming. Don’t lose sight of that.”

A “True Believer” … he must have prepaid x5 years his membership to the NAR.

“But he believes that once the housing market returns,” ;-)

Buy Real Estate with 0% down…increase equity yearly… it’s a buyers market…there’s never been a better time to buy a house!

Previously in the O.C. :
‘where dreams take flight,’ he said. ‘Well, pretty much they’ve flown away. :-)

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 14:51:05


“‘It’s very difficult to find a job. It’s really bad,’ said Sheena Lewis, a Livermore resident. ‘The only jobs you can find are low paying jobs that offer no advancement.’”

Get used to it, lady; it is here to stay and living standards will fall for more than half the Americans if they haven’t already.

What we have had was an artificially boosted economy and borrowed living standards as a result of two big bubbles. We have a long ways to go to correct that. The living standards will be below the pre-bubble levels of 1994-95 within the next two years.

Jas

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 15:15:48


“‘The Hells Angels donated $500 for the first time ever,’ she said.”

Hells Angels and Realt-Whores? Now that’s a marriage mad in hell. Maybe they are looking for biker-chicks.

Both, hell and heaven are right here on earth, according to some philosophy.

Jas

Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-17 15:47:15

6%’rs vs.1%’rs

Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 16:05:51


1%’rs??

Jas

Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-17 16:23:25

“The rhombus-shaped ‘One-percenter’ patch is also used, displaying ‘1%’, in red on a white background with a red merrowed border (refer to image at right, top). The term “one-percenter” is a response to the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) comment on the Hollister incident, in which the AMA stated that 99% of motorcyclists were law-abiding citizens and the last 1% were outlaws.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_Angels

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Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 16:53:39


Looks like enrollment in HBB U. is paying off.

Jas

 
 
 
 
Comment by Wee Willy
2008-05-17 19:58:59

In Canada the minister of foreign affairs -Maxime Bernier- was dating a biker chick. She was flying around the world with him in a government jet. What a jerk.

 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 15:20:28


‘We have another boom coming. Don’t lose sight of that.’

In 2030s?

Jas

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-05-17 17:20:33

“In 2030s?”

What will be the population then: in India…China … Japan… Bakersfried, CA? :-)

Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 19:48:39


My best guess is less than today. I think that some or other global upheaval will take its toll. There could really be a pandemic.

Jas

Comment by az_lender
2008-05-18 05:24:35

On behalf of the other animal species in this world, I must say, bring it on! At the risk of repeating an old story: in fall 2005 I was on a ship for a month with about a dozen other scientists/engineers, and we used to talk a lot about how The Planet might be saved. These were persons of several nationalities and many different political persuasions. Our best agreement came when someone hoped for a major volcanic eruption that would wipe out 99% of humankind.

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Comment by xynthia
2008-05-17 15:22:25

Can anyone offer me any insight into the near-future of the Palm Springs r.e. market? I am a local renter, contemplating (tentatively) the idea of buying in P.S. Prices have dropped at least 20 percent in the last year and there is huge inventory. Of course, the local r.e. industry claims the bottom is upon us. You cannot get any honest reportage on the situation in town from the local Gannett rag and needless to say the agents are not honest, either (although even my r.e. agent recently, finally, admitted the situation is ‘bad’.) The “Inland Empire” as a whole is a disaster and forecast to drop another 20 percent, but Riverside is very different from Palm Springs, which is primarily retirees, gays, and second homes. There is more money here, but on the other hand, it stands to reason the second-homemarket is going to do even worse than the first, and they hugely overbuilt in the last couple of years. Is there anyone specifically familiar with the Coachella Valley, who would like to make a prediction on how much it’s going to fall and for how long? thanks for your insights ….

Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 16:04:47


I can’t speak for a specific neighborhood, but prices in Coachella Valley will fall at least 50% from the current prices. I know that there are some real expensive developments in the area (someone I know built a custom home, to sell, in an area with expensive custom homes and was trying to sell for $4.5M; I haven’t talked for few months so I don’t know the status).

I would say that if you wait for at least a year, preferably two, you would do much better.

Jas

 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-05-17 16:50:04

Jas is right, and yes, there are a few of us/are they crazy etc., locals in the Palm Springs valley/Coachella.
How long have you been here, how long do you plan to stay, and well just ,ellisisland1athotmaillcotcom me and I can give you specifics on local RE. Jas is right when he says the prices will go lower,and more like One yr/half then start looking. But don’t hurry as it might not even be the bottom then!
Are they crazy will have info too!

Recently, although there were more solds this mo from one re store, it doesn’t say yet if they actually closed.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-17 16:55:20

Palm Springs per capita income is about $26K (Calif is around $38K)

Were I to hop in my time machine and visit PalmSprings in the depths of a recession, it’d be no suprise to see Morlocks roaming the streets at night.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-18 05:18:26

That wasn’t exactly fair.. per capita income is low for various reasons.. lots of retirees, and out-of-town 2nd home owners with unreported income.
..but i’d still keep my guard up at night.

 
 
Comment by BoughtMyPoints
2008-05-18 04:11:53

Traditionally the Palm Springs market craters 1 year after a 6 point plus seismic event; any one buying in the Coachella Valley is in a state of denial regarding the probability of a major earthquake hitting, so you may as well take advantage of this syndrome by waiting … otherwise you’ll be a bag holder like so many.

The East Valley may be already falling off the precipice but the rest will not be far behind. Bear in mind that country club condo’s are particularly susceptible to catastrophic declines … Desert Princess had $100K condos selling in the $20K range as recently as 1999. Ironwood had plenty under $100K. But that’s 9 years or so down from the previous peak!

If you don’t have to be in PS itself, east of Washington in La Quinta has dramatically lower utility costs and is/will be prime territory for REO’s.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-17 15:44:25

“‘He said, ‘Sorry dude, but I’m kind of desperate,’ the victim told police.”

‘Sorry dude, but I’m kind of desperate’
_______________________________________________________________

Desperate Dudes Do Dangerous Deeds

Comment by Frank Giovinazzi
2008-05-17 22:03:46

Don’t appraise me, bro!

 
 
Comment by Ann
2008-05-17 17:14:19

“Last year, the Realtors for Easter Seals golf tournament in Aptos raised more than $40,000. This year, organizers are having trouble getting sponsors for the June 20 benefit. Lenders and title companies that gave $1,000 last year have said no.”

“‘The picture is bleak,’ said Tony Crane of First Horizon Home Loans.”

“Crane and his employer, First Horizon Home Loans of Capitola, gave $1,000 last year. This year, First Horizon said no. So did FirstNet Mortgage, Resource Lenders Inc. and Wachovia. Also sending regrets: three title companies — Santa Cruz Title, First American Title and Old Republic Title — and Terminix.”

OR could it be that NO ONE wants the embarassment of being associated with REALTORS????(A huge part of the blame of the mortgage crisis..with their mortgage brokers and appraisers in their back pocket!)

 
Comment by Chucky
2008-05-17 17:15:52

‘Sixty-three percent of the homes sold in the last 30 days were bank owned property,’

Does the median price for Sac include these sales??

Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-17 18:07:17


I believe that Radar Logic and DataQuick prices are based on all recorded transactions.

Jas

 
 
Comment by norcal jeff
2008-05-17 18:51:23

I do see more garage sales than usual but also see and hear people who are getting kicked out of their homes for repo reasons are selling everything they can out of the house, fixtures, cabinets, hot water heaters, carpet, whatever they can rip from the house, for cash and then walk away from the home. Reminds me of the LA riots but for middle class folks.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-17 20:27:27

Neighbors held a garage sale this weekend, and repaid the gas money they borrowed a week back out of the proceeds.

 
Comment by Frank Giovinazzi
2008-05-17 22:04:52

When black kids do it, they call it looting …

… white kids, file-sharing!

 
 
Comment by Dinasmom
2008-05-17 20:38:43

The Tribune. “A former Arizona real estate agent is suspected in five armed robberies in San Luis Obispo County, including one of a real estate agent and another at a real estate office.”

“David Albertsen, 64, is suspected of robbing the agent during an open house in Atascadero on April 27, two days after he allegedly walked into a real estate office in Arroyo Grande and robbed an employee at gunpoint, according to police.”

So here’s what is very worrisome about this whole “RE broker breaking bad” thing… these people have almost complete access to every home on a lockbox. Even if homeowners lock up their jewelry and money, there’s always personal information to be found with a little time spent in someone’s house. Our home is for sale right now on a lock box and I am very conscious of the fact that not every RE agent is a saint. Definitely something to think about… even in “good” times. Our agent, who is a personal friend, confided to us that she is very uncomfortable with open houses for security reasons… and we pretty much live in Mayberry.

 
Comment by xynthia
2008-05-19 11:16:37

BoughtMyPoints, Jas Jain, desert dweller, and joeyinCalif, thank you for all your help/thoughts on Palm Springs real estate. I agree that the low median income is a key to the real value, although it’s true it’s also confused by the fact that many are retirees with low incomes but big chunks of cash. And BMP’s point about the huge number of condos causing volatility is true, also. It is a tricky market, imo. Thanks again …

 
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