May 22, 2008

Activity To Hide Things That Later Explode

Some housing bubble news from Wall Street and Washington. The Monitor, “Obra Homes is the latest victim of a dismal home building market. The Rio Grande Valley-founded home builder has shut its doors locally and sold its remaining properties to a partner. At its peak in 2005, the company was the largest Valley-based home builder, putting up more than 500 homes here that year.”

“In 2006 it ranked as the 70th largest home builder in the United States, with $135 million in revenue, according to Builder Online. During 2005 and 2006, more than 6,800 homes were being built in Hidalgo County each year. New home permits have dropped by more than a third since then.”

“Los Angeles-based KB Home, one of the nation’s largest home builders, pulled out of the Valley in 2007. Metrostudy estimates there are more than 3,000 unoccupied, new homes in Hidalgo, Cameron, Willacy and Starr counties.”

“‘They’ve all cut back,’ said William Brueggeman, director of the real estate department at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, of lenders. ‘Their volumes are below half of what they were in the boom years.’”

The Rocky Mountain News. “Mike Rinner, an economist with the Genesis Group that has tracked Denver real estate for nearly 20 years, gives the metro-area housing market a D-minus.”

“‘There is no sugarcoating it,’ said Rinner. ‘The only reason it doesn’t get an ‘F’ is that we feel it will rebound pretty nicely after this. Before, we thought it would just decline to these low levels and just go splat.’”

“Larry Stark, principal of National Valuation Consultants, also said the U.S. market is in much worse shape than Denver.”

“‘We work all over North America. . . . And until you have been to some of these places, you don’t really know how bleak they are,’ Stark said. ‘We have an office in Florida, and it is going to be three years before it even starts to see a turnaround, and in the real estate industry, three years is an eternity.’”

Dow Jones Newswires. “Highlighthing their desperation to sell houses, builders are bringing back the gimmicks - mortgage rates that start low, help with down payments, zero out-of-pocket expenses - that helped fuel the housing bubble before its spectacular bust.”

“But this time, they say, history won’t repeat itself.”

“Builders acknowledge things are tough, but they promise they’re being responsible. ‘What’s going on right now is not what got us into this, it’s what’s going to get us out,’ said Dan Klinger, president of K. Hovnanian American Mortgage. ‘We overdocument. The loans have never been cleaner.’”

“That isn’t enough for some, who say the specials sound too much like the free- lending heyday.”

“‘It’s a different shade of gray, but essentially it puts people in the same position,’ said Jeffrey Guarino, managing director of Gotham Capital Mortgage in New York. ‘If we haven’t learned anything about the value of equity in the risk of a foreclosure, then what have we learned?’”

From CNN Money. “As part of the Economic Stimulus Act, Congress tried to get funds for jumbo loans flowing again by temporarily raising the dollar limits for mortgages that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can buy.”

“Despite the increased caps, these new ‘conforming jumbo loans’ - for anything between $417,000 and $729,750 - are still more expensive than the conforming loans below $417,000.”

“‘[The raised caps] produced less activity than I thought they would,’ said Rep. Barney Frank, in opening remarks at the hearing. ‘Beneficial effects have be slow to materialize,’ added Spencer Baccus, ranking republican member from Alabama.”

“The problem: The investors who buy mortgages on the secondary market still consider these new conforming jumbo loans riskier than the original conforming loans, and put a higher risk premium on them.”

“They’re only available in about 70 metro areas - many of the most challenging markets in the nation. ‘Look at the markets where these are offered,’ said Keith Gumbinger, of HSH Associated, a publisher of mortgage market information. ‘It’s where home prices are falling.’”

From Reuters. “As U.S. banks mop up the mess from billions of dollars of bad home loans, buyers are finding the days of cheap money are over and, in many cases, tougher versions of old lending rules now apply.”

“‘The clock is rolled back about 20 years,’ said Lou Barnes, publisher of Mortgage Credit News.”

“Craig Van Skaik, a Beverly Hills, California, mortgage broker, who has a stable of wealthy clients, said he has been pinched as new rules prevent him from borrowing on the equity he has built up in the $6.2 million house he renovated.”

“The debt on the house totals about $3.5 million. He has ample assets and income, but he needs an out-of-fashion stated-income loan.”

“‘I can’t get one dime out. I don’t like feeling like I’m trapped and I can’t tap equity,’ said Van Skaik, who has listed the home and says that because of all the new hurdles, the best buyer is someone who can come in with an all-cash bid.”

“‘I’ve done this for 22 years. I’ve never seen anything like what we’re experiencing now,’ he said.”

“Delinquencies in U.S. subprime debt and higher-quality mortgages known as Alt-A securities are continuing to increase, Standard & Poor’s said on Thursday.”

“Delinquencies for Alt-A mortgages rated between 2005 and 2007 are climbing, with total delinquencies rising as high as 17 percent in some cases, more than 6 percentage points higher than previous estimates, the ratings agency said in a report.”

“‘The 2007 issuance year continues to be the worst-performing vintage in terms of cumulative losses,’ S&P said, regarding subprime mortgages. ‘Serious delinquencies’ of payments 90 days late or more and foreclosures also are rising, S&P said.”

The Orange County Business Journal. “Newport Beach-based bond manager Pacific Investment Management Co. has bought $2.5 billion worth of subprime mortgage bonds from Israel’s Bank Hapoalim Ltd.”

“In the quarter, Hapoalim lost $870 million before taxes related to the bonds it sold. In April, the bank said it lost another $209 million stemming from mortgage defaults.”

From Bloomberg. “Residential Capital LLC, the distressed mortgage-finance company, won support from most bondholders for a debt restructuring plan needed to stave off bankruptcy.”

“Investors tendered about $9.5 billion of notes as part of an offer to exchange or buy back $14 billion of debt for as little as 80 cents on the dollar, GMAC LLC, ResCap’s parent company said.”

“Some bondholders had initially sought to build opposition to the plan, which offered investors as little as 80 cents on the dollar for their bonds, though no organized protest emerged. The bankruptcy threat left bondholders with little choice but to tender, according to a report last week by high-yield research firm KDP Investment Advisors.”

“Credit-default swaps tied to ResCap’s bonds have been trading at levels that suggest…a 97 percent chance of default within five years, based on an assumption that bondholders would recover 40 percent of their investments, according to a JPMorgan Chase & Co. valuation model.”

“Cerberus Capital Management LP’s $7.4 billion purchase of General Motors Corp.’s finance arm in 2006 also won control of a mortgage unit supplying a steady stream of cash to finance the auto lender. Then the home-loan money disappeared in a flood of subprime losses.”

“Now the GMAC LLC unit, Residential Capital LLC, is fighting to avoid bankruptcy. ResCap has been forced to stop making loans to borrowers with poor credit histories after losses of $5.3 billion during the past six quarters.”

“Cerberus founder Stephen Feinberg now has to decide whether to inject more money into ResCap or let it die.”

“‘At the time the deal was done, ResCap was the good part,’ said Tom Flaherty, a money manager at Aberdeen Asset Management Plc, which oversees more than $30 billion. His team owned ResCap bonds and sold them before they were cut to below investment grade. ‘They’re in an unexpected mess.’”

“Citigroup Inc. created a $2.5 billion mortgage-backed security called Bonifacius Ltd. in August as capital markets seized up and panic swept Wall Street.”

“The bonds were created from subprime home loans as demand evaporated. Within six months, Bonifacius collapsed as homeowners fell behind on their payments in record numbers.”

“Citigroup, Merrill Lynch & Co., UBS AG and other banks created more than $1.5 trillion of collateralized debt obligations like Bonifacius, keeping an undisclosed amount in off-balance-sheet funds called variable interest entities.”

“Bonifacius and $190 billion of similar securities have gone bust since October, spotlighting loopholes the Financial Accounting Standards Board failed to close when Enron Corp. went bankrupt in 2001 after disclosing investments that weren’t on its books.”

“‘They never got the real problem fixed after Enron,’ said Lynn Turner, the chief accountant for the Securities and Exchange Commission when the Enron scandal was exposed. ‘When people find out how little FASB did, they’re going to be shocked. FASB needs to be taken out behind the woodshed and given a good whoopin’.'”

“Variable interest entities, or VIEs, are a post-Enron version of special-purpose vehicles, the term for the investments Citigroup created that led to the demise of the energy-trading company.”

“The lack of disclosure about VIEs is adding to concern among investors after financial institutions reported $382.6 billion of writedowns and losses from subprime-contaminated debt since the start of 2007.”

“Paul Volcker, who was chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1979 to 1987, said in testimony to the Joint Economic Committee of Congress…that regulators should have stopped banks.”

“‘Why were they permitted to set up those off-balance- sheet entities that may or may not have had some formal relationship with the banks?’ he said.”

“Bonifacius is divided into nine pieces. The largest, which was originally rated AAA, has since been cut to Baa3 at Moody’s and to BBB- by S&P, the lowest levels of investment grade.”

“Banks are betting that markets will improve enough to allow the securities to be sold at a higher price, according to Stanley Sporkin, a former federal judge who helped write the federal 1977 Foreign Corrupt Practices Act when he was the head of the enforcement division at the SEC.”

“‘Not every off-balance-sheet activity is wrong,’ Sporkin said. ‘But there could be pockets of activity to hide things that later explode.’”

The Daily Breeze. “Rep. Laura Richardson lost her Sacramento home in a foreclosure auction two weeks ago, and left behind nearly $9,000 in unpaid property taxes.”

“Richardson appears to have made only a few payments on the house, which she bought in January 2007 for $535,000. After buying the home, Richardson hardly had time to live in it. Three months later, Rep. Juanita Millender-McDonald died and Richardson - then a freshman member of the state Assembly - launched a campaign to replace her in Congress.”

“Richardson won the election, pouring in $77,500 in personal loans to her own campaign. Around the same time, she stopped making payments on the Sacramento house. The bank issued a default notice in December, and the home was sold at a public auction on May 7 for $388,000.”

“The real loser in the deal was Washington Mutual Bank, which issued Richardson a $535,000 loan with no money down in January 2007. By the time the default notice was issued, Richardson was underwater on the loan. She owed about $575,000, including $18,000 in missed payments.”

“Washington Mutual ended up writing off nearly $200,000 of that debt to get rid of the home.”

“Although Richardson did not pay her property taxes or the balance of her loan, she has begun repaying the loans that she issued to her own political campaign. Richardson, a former Long Beach city councilwoman, still owns a home in Long Beach.”

“One of Richardson’s first votes upon arriving in Congress last fall was on the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007. The bill helped homeowners by preventing the federal government from charging income tax on debt forgiven in a foreclosure, such as the $200,000 forgiven in Richardson’s foreclosure.”

“Joining 385 of her colleagues, Richardson voted aye.”




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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-22 11:59:01

“‘I’ve done this for 22 years. I’ve never seen anything like what we’re experiencing now,’ he said.”

Right.

You’ve only been at it for 22 years but the financing bubble really started in 1981 so you’ve never seen anything but the bubble. (Soros calls it the “super bubble”.)

In fact, I bet you have no idea what I’m talking about either because you’ve never actually, oh the shocker, gone to a library and read a book or two about economics and economic history either.

You just hang right in there, cowboy, this game’s gonna work out really good for you.

Comment by mikey
2008-05-22 12:24:42

“‘I can’t get one dime out. I don’t like feeling like I’m trapped and I can’t tap equity,’ said Van Skaik, who has listed the home and says that because of all the new hurdles, the best buyer is someone who can come in with an all-cash bid

“Help…my house FELL on me and I can’t get up…Anybody..Got CASH ?”

Way to go mortgage EXPERT!

ROTFLMAO :)

Comment by teufelhunden
2008-05-22 12:35:55

Didn’t your momma ever tell you it’s not nice to make fun of retarded people?

Comment by Neil
2008-05-22 12:47:08

ROTFLMAO

Ouch… hot coffee in nose…

I really should know better on this blog. ;)

It amazes me how equity cannot be correlated with requiring a down payment!

Got Popcorn?
Neil

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-22 12:53:39

Yes, she did, and I laughed at her too. :-D

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Comment by mikey
2008-05-22 12:58:32

Sell the house
sell the car
sell the kids
find someone else
forget it
I’m never coming back
Forget it–

a mortgage broker’s lament or Kurtz’s letter to wife from “Apocalypse Now” ? :)

 
Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-05-22 13:10:29

Why do people think they’re extracting equity when they take out a loan and give a second mortgage as security? Their net equity position remains unchanged plus they have more debt (and larger monthly debt service payments). The only way you can extract house equity through a loan is if you default (in effect force a sale to the lender).

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-22 14:12:31

Oooh, you must be an accountant. :-)

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Comment by bluprint
2008-05-22 15:11:42

Um…hello? Apparently you haven’t read the Book of Kiyosaki. Houses are liabilities, “extracting equity” means you are playing with someone elses money and leverage is everything.

Get a clue.

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Comment by 9down
2008-05-22 14:04:07

a quick look at zip realty for 90210 - I found one house listed at 6.2 million, funny that the zestimate is 3.5 million. Perhaps that is why he “can’t take out anymore equity”?

 
Comment by milkcrate
2008-05-22 22:11:43

House fell on me… like the Kansas shack that hid the witch’s Purple Slipppers.

 
 
Comment by exeter
2008-05-22 15:51:32

“You’ve only been at it for 22 years but the financing bubble really started in 1981″

It’s good to see that someone else freely acknowledges that 1981 is when this mess began. It’s time to put supply side/trickle down (on)/Reaganomics in it’s grave.

 
 
Comment by OCDan
2008-05-22 12:03:17

“Craig Van Skaik, a Beverly Hills, California, mortgage broker, who has a stable of wealthy clients, said he has been pinched as new rules prevent him from borrowing on the equity he has built up in the $6.2 million house he renovated.”

“The debt on the house totals about $3.5 million. He has ample assets and income, but he needs an out-of-fashion stated-income loan.”

Call me crazy, but how can somone with ample assets and income feel pinched?…

Unless there is more to this than mets the eye.

Could there be more homes he “owns” has debt on? Could there be he doesn’t really have as much mullah as he leads the reporter to believe?

I know it is lunchtime and I should be functional, but this just doesn’t add up. Something is fishy!

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-22 12:07:45

His assets are the stupid house attached to the wishing price.

The loan is reality.

Even if he has “assets”, I bet you the cash flow is killing him.

Good value players love these pinched situations because you can pick up assets for next to nothing but y’all knew that all along because at the end of the day, every last cowpoke here is a value player whether they recognize this fact or not.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-05-22 12:08:18

Perhaps it because that stable of wealthy clients have bought all the houses they need.

 
Comment by aimeejd
2008-05-22 12:15:34

Call me crazy, but how can somone with ample assets and income feel pinched?…

And why does someone with “ample assets and income” need to borrow against the equity in his house?

Comment by Neil
2008-05-22 12:53:41

lol

Add me to the chorus. If someone is truly well to do… they can skip borrowing. So stated for multi-millions is finally difficult. I have an idea… price the home at market and sell it to raise cash! Let someone who can really afford the home live in it.

Judging by how Beverly hills home prices are going… that $6.2M might sell for $4.5M today. (Assuming that the $6.2M wasn’t totally made up.) After the 6% commission… That still leaves our broker with $750k cash.

Or the broker can ride the market down. ;)

The number of Poseurs that are going to be exposed in this downside will be amazing.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by mikey
2008-05-22 13:34:17

What ?!?!?…I’m NOT allowed to make fun of retarded REIC people anymore ?

Hold my popcorn Neil… while I jab them with my sharp, pointy wiener stick :)

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Comment by bob
2008-05-22 12:55:49

If you provide your tax returns (for say the last 3 years), i assume that it is no longer a stated income loan, but a real income loan.

If he needs the loan, copying 3 years of tax statements is probably only $20 worth of photocopying at kinkos

 
 
Comment by NotInMontana
2008-05-22 12:18:25

Why does he need a stated income loan? Doesn’t he have stubs- 1099s-1040? Or is it just take for granted he’s off the books?

Someone please enlighten me.

Comment by phillygal
2008-05-22 12:43:31

because his income is much too ample for documentation.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-05-22 15:41:44

Yes, he must have a stub somewhere.

Comment by DebtInNation
2008-05-23 15:02:43

He’ll only have a stub left once he goes belly-up.

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Comment by Brandon
2008-05-22 12:30:03

Maybe like most people with ample income, they also have ample consumption habits? As a broker who works with wealthy clients, I am sure he keeps a very expensive lifestyle to keep up appearances.

Comment by texas rules
2008-05-22 13:30:56

Butch Cassidy: Do you believe I’m broke already?
Etta Place: Why is there never any money, Butch?
Butch Cassidy: Well, I swear, Etta, I don’t know. I’ve been working like a dog all my life and I can’t get a penny ahead.
Etta Place: Sundance says it’s because you’re a soft touch, and always taking expensive vacations, and buying drinks for everyone, and you’re a rotten gambler.
Butch Cassidy: Well that might have something to do with it.

 
 
 
Comment by Lisa
2008-05-22 12:04:26

From Reuters. “As U.S. banks mop up the mess from billions of dollars of bad home loans, buyers are finding the days of cheap money are over and, in many cases, tougher versions of old lending rules now apply.”

“‘The clock is rolled back about 20 years,’ said Lou Barnes, publisher of Mortgage Credit News.”

20 years? Excuse me?? It was tough to get a mortgage 10-12 years ago, when I bought.

I’m sick of all the Dark Age comments, like we haven’t seen these lending standards for a long, long time. It’s so not true.

Comment by desertdweller
2008-05-22 12:35:08

Agreed. Loans used to be hard to get. I ‘member when…
picture me rockin back in rockin chair /wheat shaft in teeth..
slappin my knee, gosh dernit, I ‘member when I was a ‘kid’ we used to have to show pay stubs and dance the jig and sht all fer the “man”. Just to git me a dern loan.
Well, I do recall it was a real drama to get a loan.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-22 12:38:00

You’re going to have to do that real soon all over again.

Some of the cowpokes here (myself included) are already pre-p*seed off about that even before the scenario unfolds (and I mean you, txchick!)

We are severely twisted people. :-D

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-22 12:49:27

Shoots, when I bought a house way back in about 1995, I had to even account for the TWO WEEKS between moving out of my rental and into the newly purchased house. I was camping out, but I lied and said I was renting a room at a very expensive B&B in Aspen, just to stir the anthill up.

And this was not a marginal loan, I put down 40k on a 165k house and had a really good income and credit rating and no other debt. Two lousy weeks. That’s when it dawned on me how much banks WANT to be your overlord. That was (hopefully) my last loan.

 
 
Comment by Brandon
2008-05-22 12:47:02

Borrowers got spoiled- they expected the process for buying a home to be like buying a car. Just name your monthly payment, the finannce guys will run the numbers “to make it all work out”, and you’ll have the keys in your hand in a few hours.

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-05-22 12:06:00

“‘[The raised caps] produced less activity than I thought they would,’ said Rep. Barney Frank, in opening remarks at the hearing.

No kidding fool, the average american is flat broke and already up to our ears in debt we can’t afford to pay back (remember those pesky foreclosures ?) and you think increasing the amount of trouble we can get into is a cure ? Tell your housing buddys the cookiejar is empty, time to get new jobs.

Comment by Brandon
2008-05-22 12:19:34

Exactly- very rare in articles about the housing market is there any mention of the income needed to make a mortgage payment. Prices are too high and the only fix is for home prices to move into line with income. Is my rationale too simple?

Comment by Tim
2008-05-22 12:22:41

You are exactly write, without an assumed 10% or greater appreciation per year, the numbers dont work and we hit an income wall. Further appreciation is impossible without wage inflation.

Comment by desertdweller
2008-05-22 12:37:10

Now picture all the ‘Mericans who are getting laid off soon, or before. I would venture to say.. lifestyles are a cuttin back.
Can you see all the 30-50+ yr old kids asking mom and dad, “can I move back in for awhile?”

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-22 12:42:44

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

BWAHAHAHHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

It’s the only way many of these folk are going to “retire”.

 
Comment by Meerteekah
2008-05-22 13:23:48

Actually, the idea of an extended family being able to acquire–cheaply!–a house with enough rooms is not a bad notion. You pool resources (grandparents SS, adults incomes, youth’s incomes if they work) and share the responsibilities of childcare, home chores, caring for the old and sick.

It’s actually a very sound thing if everyone is financially and relationally responsible. Worked for millenia. Works for immigrants.

The problem is when living “at home” is an excuse for the younger ones to blow their income on goodies rather than pool so everyone has more savings and can live in a better place with better schools for the younguns.

I like the idea of an extended family in a multi-bedroom home/unit. Everyone gets something, everyone gives something, and you aren’t all self-absorbed with a three-bedroom house to yourself.

M

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-22 13:33:15

It’s actually a very sound thing if everyone is financially and relationally responsible. Worked for millenia. Works for immigrants.

Yeah, it’s a real sound thing IF everyone is responsible.

BWAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

What planet are you from, man?

And socialism works too if everyone is honest and contributes equally to the system, and doesn’t try to free load off the productive, etc.

PS :- I grew up in one of these. This is not some “theoretical” perspective.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-05-22 13:45:43

Actually, the idea of an extended family being able to acquire–cheaply!–a house with enough rooms is not a bad notion. You pool resources (grandparents SS, adults incomes, youth’s incomes if they work) and share the responsibilities of childcare, home chores, caring for the old and sick.

I agree.

I think it’s a good idea if one can stand that level of interaction with one’s relations. Me, I think I could do it, and I have friends and family members who’ve managed such an arrangement. But it’s obviously not for everyone.

 
Comment by Meerteekah
2008-05-22 14:30:51

I’m from the planet where people routinely do this. :) We did it . You learn to share. You learn not to hog the bathroom(s). You learn courtesy. You learn to be less selfish.

My brother did and does it (the grandmother died a couple months ago, but the kids and grandkids live there. Four bedroom home with a mom/pop/2 adult kids/two grandkids. Now, with grandma gone, the oldest grandchild gets his own room.

My eldest sis does and did this (eldest single daughter in thirties is at home, grandparents died a few years ago, but until then, it was three generations in the house).

If I’d had kids, we’d have that here–cause we had my mom and dad living with us until dad died and mom moved south to be with sister in a neighborhood with more relatives her age.

It’s doable if people remember to act like family, not vultures, and don’t mind some intrusions. :) Some folks actually PREFER it and feel it’s too quiet and lonely without a bunch of blood kin about.

M

 
Comment by Michael Emmel
2008-05-22 14:39:23

Well I posted a while back we have 2.6 people per housing unit if this goes to 3.5 then we have 35 million vacant housing units. Even a reasonable estimate of people moving back in with parents or boomers with children as they retire could add say 5 million more housing units on the market.

Unless you can pay cash for a house I’d sit this one out for a while its going to get beyond ugly.

If you can pay cash I’d wait at least two years before buying.

Basically we don’t need to build another house in America for the next thirty years take into account peak oil and demographics then housing market will recover by about 2100.

 
 
Comment by teufelhunden
2008-05-22 12:41:22

“….impossible without wage inflation.”

And that is exactly what won’t happen. We all know the Fed’s plan is rampant inflation no matter the dreamers who hope for deflation/depression. The main place where deflation is currently occurring (in addition to housing of course) is in wages. Wages are actually falling and most likely will continue to do so for some time. While the cost of living continues to skyrocket.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2008-05-23 09:41:13

Precisely. Destruction of the working class for the benefit of the parasite class.

There will be no wage inflation - not now, and not ever if the Fed has any say in it.

This will producing crushing downward pressure on housing prices, but as long as the parasites can play with the free money in other ways, such as ramping up the cost of energy and food to unaffordable levels, they’ll be fine.

 
 
Comment by Tim
2008-05-22 12:45:31

write = right . . . sorry for all the typos I read and type will hosting boring conference calls.

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Comment by mikey
2008-05-22 14:51:50

Despite the increased caps, these new ‘conforming jumbo loans’ - for anything between $417,000 and $729,750 - are still more expensive than the conforming loans below $417,000.”

They should call these new loans “conforming Dumbo loans” and the Gov’t should REQUIRE all GF and FB’s to have large floppy ears, a total ignorance of the laws of gravity and 3-4 failsafe Hail Mary prayers prior to the inevitable…large and bloody SPLAT !!! :)

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2008-05-22 14:45:58

Same thing will happen with this $300 billion in new FHA loans they are trying to push through congress.

Once the plan is available, lenders will send their debtors over to FHA, but they won’t qualify for FHA loans based on stuff like debt/income ratios and non-inflated appraisals… so the lenders will still hold the worst of the worst.

AND, how much you wanna bet they prioritize the attempts based on whether they are on the hook, or if they resold it and it is someone elses problem. Oh, wait…. that someone else owes them money, so it is really thier problem after all.

 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-22 12:08:27


“Despite the increased caps, these new ‘conforming jumbo loans’ - for anything between $417,000 and $729,750 - are still more expensive than the conforming loans below $417,000.”

Investors aren’t totally stupid, especially, after you get burned.

Supposedly, Radar Logic data is being used by HUD to set the limits. How in the hell you set limits for areas in AZ, CA, FL, NV, etc. where prices are falling at 25-35% Annual Rate?

What USG is doing vis-a-vis GSEs borders on criminality, IMO.

Jas

 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-05-22 12:10:35

“‘I’ve done this for 22 years. I’ve never seen anything like what we’re experiencing now,’ he said.”

Oh come now, I’m sure reality was in force some time in that 22 years.

Comment by laughing boy
2008-05-22 12:32:48

Beverly Hills - they’re automatically disqualified from reality.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-22 13:08:19

Last time I was in Beverly Hills, there was a billboard offering new homes in the low $1,000,000’s.

I presume that means under $1,500,000?

 
Comment by mikey
2008-05-22 13:15:57

Beverly Hills - they’re automatically disqualified from reality.

Yep…Your Government failed/fooled you…again

Area 51(aka) Dreamland…was NEVER in Nevada :)

 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-22 12:11:22


“…the best buyer is someone who can come in with an all-cash bid.”

That is what I told some locals — the best deals during 2009-10 would be all cash deals.

Jas

 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-05-22 12:12:38

“Joining 385 of her colleagues, Richardson voted aye.”

I wonder what share of the DC political class is upside-down, took cash out, and/or is otherwise heading for foreclosure?

Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-22 12:26:29


“I wonder what share of the DC political class is upside-down…”

In their heads?

Jas

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-22 12:26:44

I wonder what share of the DC political class invested in multiple residential properties?

 
Comment by takingbets
2008-05-22 12:57:40

well now we know why there was such a rush to get this passed! how much more corruption is america willing to take before they change their voting habits!

 
Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-05-22 13:13:05

I read in another article that she recused herself. Which reporter is correct?

 
 
Comment by Curt
2008-05-22 12:13:21

“‘There is no sugarcoating it,’ said Rinner. ‘The only reason it doesn’t get an ‘F’ is that we feel it will rebound pretty nicely after this. Before, we thought it would just decline to these low levels and just go splat.’”

SPLAT!!

 
Comment by Frank Giovinazzi
2008-05-22 12:13:26

I saw a copy of the Bonifacius prospectus,

sporting a beaming pic of Danny Bonaduce’s visage,

Bonifacius, he decried

is Bonafide and Bodacious!

 
Comment by Tim
2008-05-22 12:13:47

“He said the reason Denver is doing so well compared with other markets is that it never saw the huge run-up in prices.

Several under construction/recently completed condo towers:

The Spire
Glass House
One Lincoln Park
The Pinnacle
Four Seasons
14th and Welton
. . .

Average price per square foot in $350 with some over $600 per square foot. Many two bedrooms priced over $500k still come with only one freaking parking spot. No bubble here. Move along.

Comment by Tim
2008-05-22 12:16:23

Then you always have Cherry Creek North and Wash Park where you get half a duplex for $1million or so with Home Depot standard finishes. What is the deal with the rich accepting half a duplex for a cool million in Denver? Blows my mind.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-05-22 12:27:04

Especially since these prices are not typical of Denver in general. I have never understood the allure of Wash Park. Sure, its close to downtown, but who cares?

Comment by Tim
2008-05-22 12:28:44

The housing was originally built for the poor. The park is nice, but over 500k for a 1200 bungalow that needs major work. No thanks.

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Comment by Tim
2008-05-22 12:31:32

1200 sq ft

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-05-22 13:16:43

Do they still have a gang problem there? I recall that some years ago a stray bullet went all the way into the zoo.

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-05-22 12:36:43

Why is it that every ordinary city thought that its downtown would be the next Manhattan?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-22 13:16:37

Delusion + sales job.

The reality is different, of course.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2008-05-22 13:38:57

…thought…

Austin still thinks so.

 
 
 
Comment by hondje
2008-05-22 12:17:01

Troll’s post spotted on the Yahoo Message boards:

“Now is definitely the time to buy if you can find a bargain, and I have a good one for you. My husband and I are divorcing, I bought out his half of the house, and reduced the price from 799,900 to 625,000. It is in Texas, in a gated community, on the lake. Interested? Take a look at MLS # 9973294 or 10939741. It is also listed on http://www.lakehouse.com. I am very motivated!”

Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2008-05-22 13:35:38

Given what I’ve seen from property tax rates my friends in Texas pay on much smaller places, I dread to think what taxes are on that one. $20k/year? Do you have a direct link to the listing?

Comment by Skroodle
2008-05-22 19:48:04

It depends on how the land is zoned. If it is zoned recreational, then taxes are almost zero. To get the land zoned correctly, you must be politically connected. Political connections cost $20-40k.

There are also cases where the land is owned by a city and leased.

 
 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-05-22 12:17:58

“Joining 385 of her colleagues, Richardson voted aye.”

Uh, conflict of interest ? Try Abstain next time, better yet resign now since you are already on course for a bigger scandal with your ethics.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-22 12:19:12

“‘[The raised caps] produced less activity than I thought they would,’ said Rep. Barney Frank, in opening remarks at the hearing. ‘Beneficial effects have be slow to materialize,’ added Spencer Baccus, ranking republican member from Alabama.”

Experience’s dear school teaches a real world lesson in economics…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-22 12:22:51

“But this time, they say, history won’t repeat itself.”

We are still in the early innings of the housing market downturn, but some fools seem to believe that the game and season are both already over and long forgotten.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-22 12:35:53

This time, history, won’t repeat itself?

Based on what? Wishing upon a star?

And when was the last bubble that failed to collapse?

Anyone? C’mon, c’mon, step up, I just want one example, just one.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-05-22 12:28:14

‘We have an office in Florida, and it is going to be three years before it even starts to see a turnaround, and in the real estate industry, three years is an eternity.’”

Perhaps its time to recalibrate?

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-22 12:53:30

Incolorado, you get any of that hail and all from the tornado by Windsor and Greeley?

Comment by In Colorado
2008-05-22 13:23:07

We got some pea sized stuff at the HP campus in Ft. Collins. There was a tornado warning around noon, so we were all sent to the “safe” part of the building (yeah, right). After 20 minutes we got the all clear.

Apparently there was some serious damage in Windsor. A few semis and cars got blown off I-25. Windsor schools are in lockdown. This was a pretty big one. Most of my co-workers who live in Windsor left for the day.

 
Comment by climber
2008-05-22 13:28:45

We had marble sized hail in Fort Collins. Windsor got hit really hard. 6 confirmed tornados in CO and one in Laramie WY.

One death, and several injuries reported from Windsor.

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-22 13:41:31

Jeezlouise!!

I remember seeing tornado clouds when I worked for
IBM in N. Boulder (student intern) - they sent us all home. Pretty scary, stay safe!

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Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-22 13:52:59

From looking at CNN on the net, it appears Windsor has a LOT of damage. They’re predicting more storm clouds. Bad, bad, bad.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-22 14:00:23

40% chance of rain in the Sierra Nevada on Saturday, the start of Memorial Day Weekend…

We haven’t had a drop of rain in months, a bit of cruel irony there, for those of you scoring at home.

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-22 15:07:54

From the Rocky Mtn News:

Overheard from a Windsor yard where folks gathered to clean up broken trees and lament the loss of electricity: “I’m so glad American Idol was on last night.”

 
Comment by bluprint
2008-05-22 15:14:44

“I’m so glad American Idol was on last night.”

lmao

 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-05-22 15:49:27

Lost, are you kidding me?

That just about says it all here in the good ol usa.
Sht.
Clueless drones.

 
Comment by bluprint
2008-05-22 16:00:38

To be fair, I can half way relate. Growing up in tornado alley, big storms don’t really bother me too much. Earlier this year, we had a bad one rip right behind my house. I didn’t know it was a tornado until after the fact of course (it was one of the bigger storms I’ve seen though), but my main concern at the time was when our power went out and we couldn’t finish the dvd.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-05-22 14:24:19

Are tornadoes common for northern Colorado? We had an F0 here last (east of Syr) Saturday night. That type of storm only rips off shingles or tree limbs but seeing the warning come over the screen was surreal especially since it was not your typical muggy weather that produced it.

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Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-22 14:44:22

E. Colorado is what we W. Slopers call “the Other Colorado” - it’s like Kansas and gets twisters. The Front Range (Rockies) drops very abruptly onto the plains and thus creates prime conditions for different weather patterns to collide. Boulder is famous for its winds, there even used to be a very wild drink in the bars there called the Boulder Wind.

The twisters can come on up to the front edge of the Rockies, but rarely get much closer than about where Windsor or those more outlier towns are.

I’m not the expert, that’s just what I know from going to school in Ft. Collins and Boulder.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by ChillintheOC
2008-05-22 12:28:41

“Bonifacius and $190 billion of similar securities have gone bust since October, spotlighting loopholes the Financial Accounting Standards Board failed to close when Enron Corp. went bankrupt in 2001 after disclosing investments that weren’t on its books.”
——————————————————————————–
This is the real story that the MSM never seems to go after - how much has NOT been learned since Enron! The off-balance sheet “variable interest entities” the major banks are carrying are probably worth 50 cents on the dollar and that’s a conservative estimate.

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Comment by desertdweller
2008-05-22 12:42:54

Same reason the senate didnt’ go after the OIL guys yesterday.
Gee, gosh, golly, I don’t know any hard questions.
guess I must be, just like all the other senators, taking money from the oil bidness. Conflict of interest.
Massively.
And we keep voting in these idjits. No partisaniship here. Just keep voting in all the cronyism. But it isn’t new. History repeats itself. Just more video cams available. Tammany Hall etc. Teapot Dome scandal.. et al.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-22 12:30:44

“‘Not every off-balance-sheet activity is wrong,’ Sporkin said. ‘But there could be pockets of activity to hide things that later explode.’”

IEDs = improvised explosive debits

Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-22 12:43:26

tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick

 
Comment by climber
2008-05-22 12:43:41

On the other hand if they were proud of the activities they wouldn’t be off the books, now would they?

There’s a reason they hide this stuff.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-22 13:59:32

A great way to sell corporate shares at a premium to the real value of a company’s operations is to show all the assets in the best possible light while hiding at least some of the liabilities under the rug of off-balance-sheet accounting gimmicks. Unfortunately, when the rug is pulled away, catastrophic declines in the company’s share price may result.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-22 12:39:15

There are 2,500,000,000 stories in the Naked Citi…

“Citigroup Inc. created a $2.5 billion mortgage-backed security called Bonifacius Ltd. in August as capital markets seized up and panic swept Wall Street.”

“The bonds were created from subprime home loans as demand evaporated. Within six months, Bonifacius collapsed as homeowners fell behind on their payments in record numbers.”

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-22 12:50:06

Nice movie reference. ;-)

LOL

 
 
Comment by Doghouse Riley
2008-05-22 12:42:17

“Before, we thought it would just decline to these low levels and just go splat.’”

Anyone here remember the late great cartoonist Don Martin? For some reason I read this line and immediately envisioned a full page spread in MAD titled “One Day in a Mortgage Broker’s Office”…..

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-05-22 12:54:04

Ahhh, Don Martin. Thanks for the nostalgia!

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-22 13:11:27

I started reading Mad Magazine around 1965, back when I was a lad…

Comment by Doghouse Riley
2008-05-22 13:45:09

Imagine five hundred little cockroaches getting under Angelo Mozilo and with a mighty “Fnnnnuuughhh!!!!!” pitching him out the window.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2008-05-22 13:13:22

The housing bubble would also make for some interesting Spy vs. Spy.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2008-05-22 13:42:33

great image, doghouse. takes me back to my childhood.

Comment by mjc
2008-05-22 13:54:09

The collected Don Martin is now available. Lots of great stuff.

$94.50 on Amazon ($150 list).

Comment by hip in zilker
2008-05-22 14:40:46

I’ll check it out.

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Comment by Joe
2008-05-22 12:48:09

“Mike Rinner, an economist with the Genesis Group that has tracked Denver real estate for nearly 20 years, gives the metro-area housing market a D-minus.”

“‘There is no sugarcoating it,’ said Rinner. ‘The only reason it doesn’t get an ‘F’ is that we feel it will rebound pretty nicely after this.”

Umm… HUH!? So, perhaps you should wait until it *actually* “rebounds pretty nicely” before awarding the grade?

Comment by In Colorado
2008-05-22 13:18:01

Once (umm.. if) it rebounds he’ll give it an “A”.

Comment by desertdweller
2008-05-22 15:53:19

I always gave myself A’s before the real test.

Pre-TonyRobbin’sing it. Go in feeling STRong.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-22 13:32:53

“The real loser in the deal was Washington Mutual Bank, which issued Richardson a $535,000 loan with no money down in January 2007. By the time the default notice was issued, Richardson was underwater on the loan. She owed about $575,000, including $18,000 in missed payments.”

“Washington Mutual ended up writing off nearly $200,000 of that debt to get rid of the home.”
____________________________________________________________

WaMu & other banks have millions of $200k losers on the books, but worry not…

The FDIC cares about you, the little guy.

Comment by Kim
2008-05-22 17:09:40

“The real loser in the deal was Washington Mutual Bank”

WAMU… and the residents of her district.

Comment by reuven
2008-05-22 22:10:10

My *angry letter of the day* is to my local rep. asking that she introduces a vote (however it’s done) to call for impeachment of Richardson. This way her mortgage application can be given the scrutiny it deserves.

 
 
 
Comment by reuven
2008-05-22 13:51:55

“Washington Mutual ended up writing off nearly $200,000 of that debt to get rid of the home.”

“Although Richardson did not pay her property taxes or the balance of her loan, she has begun repaying the loans that she issued to her own political campaign. Richardson, a former Long Beach city councilwoman, still owns a home in Long Beach.”

“One of Richardson’s first votes upon arriving in Congress last fall was on the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007. The bill helped homeowners by preventing the federal government from charging income tax on debt forgiven in a foreclosure, such as the $200,000 forgiven in Richardson’s foreclosure.”

This woman is a bank robber, and she also cheated the Treasury out of at least $75,000 in tax revenue that the rest of us have to pick up.

It sickens me that even fraudsters like this **** get a tax holiday. She clearly had no intention of every making good on the money she borrowed.

Comment by bluprint
2008-05-22 15:29:16

lol.

Who regulates the regulators? Hmmm? It’s a good thing we have a strong federal government like this to prevent fraud and theft. lol

Why, without her to vote for herself a bit of your tax dollars, she might have committed robbery or something. Fortunately the difference between robbery and “relief” is just a vote away. lmao

 
Comment by Toast on the Coast, 90803
2008-05-22 15:31:57

Does her loan application says owner occupied? If it did, what is her Long Beach property and can she be in office representing Long Beach while really living up north. Let her make good on her promise to pay the $200,000 back.

 
Comment by Kim
2008-05-22 17:12:21

“She clearly had no intention of every making good on the money she borrowed.”

Well, according to the article “She has begun repaying the loans that she issued to her own political campaign,” - so she isn’t a complete deadbeat.

/sarcasm off

Comment by reuven
2008-05-22 22:06:22

She *has begun* to repay them! And probably to avoid breaking a campaign finance law that’s more likely to put her in jail–or lose sympathy with voters–than Mortgage Fraud.

Who knows if she’ll finish repaying them after the spotlight is off her…

 
 
 
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Comment by aladinsane
2008-05-22 15:27:51

“Cerberus founder Stephen Feinberg now has to decide whether to inject more money into ResCap or let it die.”

3 headed dog in a do or die dilemma…

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2008-05-22 17:00:44

2007 mortgages worst for losses. Ummmm… Duh.

http://recorder.maricopa.gov/recdocdata/GetRecDataPgDn.aspx?&rec=0&suf=&nm=price+virtie+&bdt=01/01/1947&edt=5/22/2008&cde=ALL+TYPES&set=250&res=True

Single lady buys a $303K house late 2006 using 80/20s at $242K and $61K. July 2007 refi to $382K. Probably never made a payment because by Feb it was already having trustee sale scheduled.

Taken back by the lender (Wachovia) at the auction for $231,836.50.

So far out on the edge of town, Zillow doesn’t even cover it.

Check the number if FSBO and “PLEASE make me move”s.
http://www.zillow.com/search/RealEstateSearch.htm?addrstrthood=18449+n+183rd+ave&citystatezip=85374#view=ver%3D1%26op%3Dsearch%26scen%3Ds1%26map%3D%28Aw%3AAN112459330%21As%3A33619477%21Ae%3AAN112446777%21An%3A33624837%29%26mode%3D%28zoom%3A15%21sortANdir%3Au%21sortANparam%3Ax17%29%26citystatezip%3D85374%26addrstrthood%3D18449%20n%20183rd%20ave%26loc%3Dmap

The mailing address on the deeds, isn’t even correct. They say Waterfall way, but assessor calles it 183rd ave.

All done through a power of attorney.

Rickey Conley… He did another power of attorney transaction… for a Gloria C Price. That power of attorney was used to buy a place from CERIA G PRICE.
Loan for $112K May 2003.
$130K March 2004.

Well, it is pushing 5PM and I have to go… And Adobe started acting up…. in short, 3 more refit, last 12/06… Then went into foreclosure Feb 2008.

And Ceria Price? Nothing except an agreemen to buy from a builder, taking the house, then passing the house on.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-22 22:58:10

SEC looks to subprime lessons
By Joanna Chung in Washington
Published: May 23 2008 01:03 | Last updated: May 23 2008 01:03

Regulators around the world have lessons to learn from the subprime crisis and other recent events, including the collapse of investment bank Bear Stearns, the head of the US Securities Exchange Commission said on Thursday.

“The regulatory lessons here extend far beyond the SEC,” said Christopher Cox, the SEC chairman, in an interview with the Financial Times. “Subprime only leached into the securities markets after it was already a horrible problem. There was complete breakdown in lending standards, a complete breakdown, one can infer from that fact, in supervisory standards for lending or at least the application of those standards.”

“We’ve also found other regulatory gaps, not just statutory regulatory gaps for investment banks, but also for mortgage brokers, and we have discovered a host of perverse incentives in the securitisation process, only a small portion of which are the responsibility of securities regulators.”

 
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