April 9, 2006

Is Rising Inventory A Sign The Bubble Is Collapsing?

Several readers suggested topics dealing with inventory. “For a topic, what about ways inventory might be deal with? I was thinking that when it is obvious the bubble has popped there might be a sudden push to expand green space/parks or mass transit. In the Nova/DC area where I live I can think of some good examples like expanding the orange line of the metro west which would require buying up land near I-66 that has houses on it, ‘destroying’ the inventory.”

Adds another, “What are the historical early warning signs that the bubble is collapsing? Is it when inventory bottoms and starts up?”

From the San Francisco Chronicle. “In another sign that the real estate market is cooling, but not collapsing, the inventory of unsold homes in California is roughly double what it was a year ago. Statewide, the inventory of unsold single-family homes in February was 6.7 months, up from 3.2 months in February of last year.”

“‘We saw a rather dramatic increase at the state level beginning in January of this year and continuing in February,’ says Robert Kleinhenz, deputy chief economist with the California Association of Realtors. ‘Time on market is a lagging indicator,’ says Kleinhenz. ‘Unsold inventory is a leading indicator. If inventories are going up now, that means there will be less upward pressure on prices going forward.’”

“Inventories have risen to 4.1 months from 2.3 months last year in San Francisco County, to 3.2 months from 1.7 months in Alameda County, to 5.2 months from 1.3 months in Contra Costa County and to 2 months from 1.5 months in Marin County.”

“In Santa Clara County, the median single-family-home price was $765,000 in February and should come in around $760,000 for March. The slight drop, (broker) Richard Calhoun says ‘is significant. Normally, prices are going up from February to March. I think in September we’re going to be talking about a number like $710,000. I see no upward pressure’ on prices.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2006-04-09 09:35:30

Paul Krugman pointed this out months ago, but few would listen.

Comment by mad_tiger
2006-04-09 09:48:45

Not a big Krugman fan but he’s sure been right on the housing market.

 
Comment by phucktheflippers
2006-04-09 10:10:11

Phoenix new record today on 4/9/2006 at 41393 properties

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Comment by GetStucco
2006-04-09 11:49:38

I wonder if the SF Chronicle RE experts would consider PHX to be crashing (six months time to double inventory, instead of a whole year)?

 
Comment by feepness
2006-04-09 11:51:37

These numbers would even be more imporessive if I didn’t need to scroll them!

The forsale signs are innumerable here in San Diego. It’s just crazy. Condos, literally, for everyone.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2006-04-09 13:48:03

Sure , high inventory is a sign of bubble crashing . Its means demand is low . The more inventory , the more competition between sellers for fewer buyers .Ends up forcing prices downward .

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Comment by Pismobear
2006-04-09 21:45:34

Common Phuck, just two numbers per month, if you please?

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Comment by chilidoggg
2006-04-10 03:01:14

i’ve gotten used to the long post. phuck’s kind of like that artist “cristobal” or whatever his name was, that guy who put yellow umbrellas in the california grapevine, and pink rings around the florida keys…large scale

 
 
 
 
Comment by LARenter
2006-04-09 14:21:07

It was interesting to see the Weekly Standard come out and concur with Krugman on this last week. I guess the housing bubble is truly bi-partisan. Does anybody have any historical inventory data from the the housing bust in the early 90’s? Given inventories steady ascent it would be useful tool to see how this plays out.

 
Comment by Paul Cooper
2006-04-09 16:15:07

No question that Phoenix will be ground zero of the bursting bubble. Unlike places like SF, SD, even LV that at least have a good quality of life, the quality of life here in Phoenix sucks and is getting worse (traffic all over but especially in places like Queen Creek is completely UNUSEABLE!!! - spending hours on the road on 110+ temperatures days- And that’s with gas prices now approaching again $3/gal).

In addition (and probably due to the proximity to Mexico’s border), the Phoenix area is full of low paying (legal and illegal) immigrant workers. That puts pressure on wages and Phoenix’s wages are amongst some of the lowest.

Add to that that this is still a freaking desert with summer temperatures that kill many people each year and a housing inventory that at this rate will hit 50,000 or a 1000% increase from a year ago by sometime in August.

Speaking with 3 different appraisers with history in the Phoenix market, they are telling me they are expecting a crash of monumental proportions here in Phoenix over the next 24 months.

The morons that are still buying in this market (and they can’t be many given the huge increase in inventory week after week) will soon (if not already) be begging for their bank to get that pile of sh*t of their hands.

 
 
Comment by KIA
2006-04-09 10:07:34

In Fairfax City, (NOVA) the government just condemned a fully-occupied building and destroyed it. They intend to convert it to “green space” to complement the massive development project they have ongoing where the post office used to be. Nevermind that they could have left it intact and planned green space where an open lot already existed. No. That’s too easy and doesn’t allow them to flex their muscle and take advantage of the Kelso decision.

Unfortunately, I don’t see that as any particular genius or forward-looking action because it was planned a couple of years ago and because this particular council and mayor just aren’t capable of that kind of advanced thinking. They’re doing it because the builder told them to and because they have their heads so far up the builder’s backside they could floss his molars.

Government will not see any need to “soak” up inventory until inventory has become massive and they perceive a “need” to support prices. At that point they may intervene, but I think such intervention is counterproductive and would benefit only a very small class of people.

“Hi, I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.”

Run Away!!! Run Away!!!

Comment by crash1
2006-04-09 11:53:14

I AM from the government and I agree, run like your life depends on it. My little local government has it’s head up the same backside of the developers, but even scarier, most of the elected officials all have a little secret about their own interests.
Run….run.

 
Comment by foobeca
2006-04-09 12:57:51

Local govts. have to have the cash to compensate owners when they do things like this. With the bubble popping, their tax revenues will dwindle.

 
Comment by nhz
2006-04-09 13:05:02

in the Netherlands this is already common practice and there is no doubt that evil genius is at work :(

big privatised (ex-government) organisations who own most of the rental homes in the Netherlands regularly demolish vast areas with thousands of perfectly usuable homes because they are ‘outdated’; they even get huge subsidies from the government to do this. The cheap homes are then replaced with a far smaller number of luxury homes or condos, most of them for resale or for the top end of the rental market.

The former renters are forced to move and because they usually cannot find homes within their budget, the same organisations provide them with far more expensive homes, again with huge government subsidies (so their actual rent does not increase).

For these housing organisations it is a win-win: they get subsidies to replace their cheap homes (which they received for nothing from the government) with very expensive homes they can sell or rent out at much higher prices. And it increases the pressure on the rental market so rents can go up.

coming soon to some cities in the US, I guess …

 
 
Comment by bubble-x
2006-04-09 10:13:54

Yes, one of the signs of a market downturn is increasing inventory. To put that in context, though, you need to look at demand, or in these case sales. You have to know if the increased inventory is being absorbed. In this case, demand is going down.

This has nothing to do with housing, per se, but with all free market economics. In 2000, for example, Cisco was producing tons of product to feed the dot.coms. When demand started to slow, they were still producing that same amount of product. What you saw, was inventory skyrocket, while demand was going down. So, that was a good sign of a downturn in technology. On the other hand, if they had been produced producing a ton of product (increasing their inventory) while demand was going up (as it was for a while), that would indicate a growing market.

Those combined –increasing inventory and reducing demand- are classic warning signs of a market top. The next phase is a period of contraction, which we are arguably in already.

If you want to take a look at inventory for the northeast, we did a post on that on 4/4/06. We also just did a post on mortgage application data on 4/6/04. Together, these show inventory and demand, respectively (inventory is up, and demand is going down):

BubbleTrack.blogspot.com

 
Comment by mad_tiger
2006-04-09 10:21:51

I do not understand range pricing. Why would anyone offer more than the lower end price? How is pricing a home at $750k-$800k any different than pricing at $750k?

“Instead of range pricing, San Francisco has developed a different way to sell property. “Rather than take the first offer that comes in, we set a date. We say we’ll look at offers two weeks from now,” then select the best one.”

Offer dates were great back in the old bidding war days. But if the offer date comes and goes without any offers the listing is marginalized.

Comment by scdave
2006-04-09 10:34:31

You are correct Mad Cat…..This can backfire Big Time in this changing market…

 
Comment by GetStucco
2006-04-09 11:44:44

You could lose quite a bit of market value in two weeks time if the market is crashing. I guess that beats waiting the average of 6 months + it is taking to sell, though…

 
Comment by feepness
2006-04-09 11:53:43

Give them an offer and tell them it’s only good for 7 days, heheehe..

Comment by Surffroggy
2006-04-09 13:01:01

So if a home is priced $750 - $800k they would not consider an offer of $801k? Yeah, the price range thing does not make any sense to me either.

 
Comment by centralcoastbear
2006-04-09 13:30:10

Make them an offer. Tell them it is good for 48 hours. Tell them if you come back after that, you will be offering $50K less.

 
Comment by Pismobear
2006-04-09 21:51:03

Unless the offer is on a Friday, give them 24 or 48 hrs. So they ‘can see their accountant, attorney ect’.

 
 
Comment by OutofSanDiego
2006-04-10 05:04:31

Range pricing is a strange concept, especially when an offer is made mid-range and the seller does not accept it. That happened several times to a friend of mine. What is the point of the price range when the seller obviously thinks and expects to sell only at the high end. It’s probably just a trick to get someone to look at the house (due to the low end price) and hope they get emotionally attached to it and then try to upsell to them at the high end of the price range. I bet it worked fine during the hot bubble days. Right now my first offer would be no more than 5% under the LOW price (assuming I really liked the house), 10% under low price if there were several homes that I liked. No counter-offer entertained.

 
 
Comment by Cassandra
2006-04-09 10:29:09

Homeowners would love for a government buyout of land under the auspices of transit expansion, green space, etc. But green space is generally a concern only during expansive times, and the Orange Line is going nowhere west–ever; WMATA has no interest in spending $7 B to send heavy rail out to the Manassas Battlefield and the few big box stores. (It’s hard enough to find money to send it through Tyson’s Corner and then down 267.)

These developer crazes generally send their lenders down the tubes, with a giant government bailout to follow (but the last craze, in the 80s–small potatos comparatively–was only for $500 B). What’s never happened before is that the stock market is also near a historic high, and all of our jobs are being shipped to low wage countries. Lester Thurow once said a country can’t subsist on a service economy. It has to make “things.”

 
Comment by TXchick57
2006-04-09 10:41:14

Of possible interest

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Comment by athena
2006-04-09 11:28:25

“I don’t believe the inversion we saw was a precursor to a recession as it has been in the past,” said Ford O’Neil, who manages more than $20 billion of bonds for Fidelity Investments in Merrimack, New Hampshire.

I love this quote… those guys back in the great depression didn’t see a depression while it was happening before their eyes either. Just small market corrections and things getting back to normal. Save this quote- this guy is going to want to see it again! ;-D

Comment by GetStucco
2006-04-09 11:45:47

… and the RE industry experts have had a very time discerning a huge and expanding bubble right under their noses, as well.

 
 
 
Comment by greatcaesar's ghost
2006-04-09 10:42:58

Tangentially off topic but: In today’s Minneapolis Star-Tribune the prime page A3 full page ad is not, as it usually is, from Marshall-Fields or Macy’s or bloomingdales dept. stores. Instead, it’s an Edina Realty (the local bigwig) open house listing ad. Maybe not enough eyeballs making their way to the “home” section of the paper these days.

 
Comment by seymourpansick
2006-04-09 10:44:45

So, folks. While people document inventory, interest rates and market value the achilles heel becomes …(drum roll)…wind and flood insurance in addition to their mortgage payments. The next day or so will have all the articles from the Miami Herald addressing this problem. The Florida Keyes(translation: coastal properties) are f**ked. After this season the only ones standing will be those owners who have payed off their homes and choose to drop their coverage for the following year(s).
You CANNOT create affortable rates for billion dollar hits unless you cap coverages and then that opens the door to mortgage companies saying “no.”
Period.

 
Comment by giantaxe
2006-04-09 11:14:59

“‘Time on market is a lagging indicator”

It’s almost a completely useless indicator because it doesn’t take account of either relistings or houses withdrawn from sale because they didn’t sell.

 
Comment by athena
2006-04-09 11:25:05

time on the market is only going to become important to the seller who doesn’t have time. That is going to soon separate the FB’s from those sitting pretty. Apparently in my area according to a mortgage survey (accuracy questionable) 33% of houses in my town have no mortgage… the rest are mortgaged, with 40+% being first time mortgage, and something like 20something% being HELOCed and 2nd mortgages…

Soon when the payments become painful and the houses are sitting and sitting… those folks will start to panic. Eventually they will either lose the house or sell at a steep discount… both will set off the panic in my area. Once someone KNOWS a person who got burned by real estate the talk of the town will shift. But until then the denial abounds. They don’t care what the stories say about other areas of the country in trouble. That just reinforces that it is different here.

This is the promised land, and we are the chosen people. Sonoma is different. Everyone wants to live here. ;-D

 
Comment by GetStucco
2006-04-09 11:32:47

Time on the market will also become important to those who can hold on, as the FBs who need to sell will “screw up the comps.”

Comment by rms
2006-04-09 13:09:10

You’re right about that. In addition, the cash savers will also get screwed by inflation once “printing press” Bernanke begins his debtor recovery plan.

2006-04-09 15:45:32

It must be time to invest overseas..a better return and great hedge for when the dollar tanks =)

 
 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2006-04-09 11:36:17

From the San Francisco Chronicle. “In another sign that the real estate market is cooling, but not collapsing, the inventory of unsold homes in California is roughly double what it was a year ago. Statewide, the inventory of unsold single-family homes in February was 6.7 months, up from 3.2 months in February of last year.”

What kind of inventory doubling rate would be indicative of a hard crash? Six months? One month? One week? I am not sure why they suggest a doubling in one year is no big deal.

At any rate, SD inventory has gone up by a factor of more than six since spring 2004, which means that it went up by more than double for two years in a row now (that would be 2 X 2 = 4…). So is SD crashing? There is no telling, because the SF Chronicle has no statistical yardstick to back up its assertions.

 
Comment by GetStucco
2006-04-09 11:39:37

“Inventories have risen to 4.1 months from 2.3 months last year in San Francisco County, to 3.2 months from 1.7 months in Alameda County, to 5.2 months from 1.3 months in Contra Costa County and to 2 months from 1.5 months in Marin County.”

Those numbers all sound unbelievably low, probably because they somehow factor in the Realtors’ statistical lie of only averaging time on the market for the last period the home was listed, instead of from when it was first listed, and also because homes that never sell (that is, which stay in the market infinitely long) are conveniently ignored in that statistical calculation.

Since less than 3000 homes / month are selling in SD, with over 18K on the market, it looks to me like the prospective time on the market is over six months…

Comment by Pismobear
2006-04-09 21:59:34

What happened to the Glendale, Ca MLS lawsuit? They were sued for misrepresenting time on the market. Does anyone know???

 
 
Comment by jeffolie
2006-04-09 11:41:35

HELIBEN WILL SHOW NO MERCY FOR HOUSING

In a speech to the Economic Club of New York this week, he said he would not let a faltering housing market deter him from the necessary action to wring inflation out of the system.

In other words, no mercy now, and no bail-out later, regardless of warnings.

Comment by GetStucco
2006-04-09 11:47:45

There is no reason to stop tightening if the labor market is signalling future inflation. Historical data shows that very low unemployment rates (like we are seeing currently) are a leading indicator of higher inflation, and with the markets on pins and needles, a new Fed chair would be courting disaster to show an early unwillingness to nip incipient inflation in the bud.

Comment by nhz
2006-04-09 13:17:45

but do you really believe that the US can have real wage inflation with so many jobs going to China? I think the FED is eyeing wage inflation lately because they know it is the last thing that could go up seriously (did you notice they have shifted their inflation focus several times in the last years?).

In Europe, it is very likely that average wages will go down while inflation is raging at about 10% you (of course, officially inflation is nearly 0%). Wages will decline because of some high paying jobs moving to India/China and because of a huge influx of low-paid workers from Poland etc. into the old EU countries (probably similar to the Mexican influence in some US states).

Officially, our average wage is increasing about 1-2% yoy but that number is distorted by the top 2% or so who are enjoying 25-35% yoy increases. So most wages are actually declining and it shows because every year more people have trouble making ends meet (where would they be without their home ATM …).

Comment by east beach
2006-04-09 13:28:07

Thanks for the usual interesting commentary nhz. Friends of mine are convinced Europe is a social paradise, and I like to hear your down-to-earth perspective from an insider.

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Comment by nhz
2006-04-10 04:00:29

I think the difference is getting smaller every year; in a few years, even French government workers and German members of the labor unions will realize that the good times are over for good.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2006-04-09 11:43:45

“In Santa Clara County, the median single-family-home price was $765,000 in February and should come in around $760,000 for March. The slight drop, (broker) Richard Calhoun says ‘is significant. Normally, prices are going up from February to March. I think in September we’re going to be talking about a number like $710,000. I see no upward pressure’ on prices.”

What he sees but does not mention is downward pressure on prices, as $760K down to $710K in six months is a 12.7% annualized rate of decline in the price.

 
Comment by capitalME
2006-04-09 12:02:34

Sacramento is exploding again this past week. We’re almost at our November 15th record. I suspect it will be topped next weekend. It’s about 130 homes short right now…but going up 60/day on average the past week.

Comment by scdave
2006-04-09 13:08:05

CapitalMe;…..Is it accross the board ?? All zips ??

 
 
Comment by miamirenter
2006-04-09 12:08:22

one ZIP realty ad on mirmar, fl (miami) property:

such reductions will be more common and increase

Description
****below market by $200 000 *** owner says sell - 3700sqft + 3 car garage, completely remodelled 5 bedroom with granite kitchen in private gated harbour lakes, adjacent to sunset lakes. Large yard with room for a pool. Soaring 14 foot ceilings. Grand s

 
Comment by athena
2006-04-09 12:09:15

Sample Sonoma Valley listing progression

2/14/06 = 172
2/14/06 = 183
2/24/06 = 193
2/25/06 = 200
2/27/06 = 214
3/01/06 = 219
3/04/06 = 220
3/12/06 = 230
3/20/06 = 236
3/26/06 = 238
4/03/06 = 268

96 new listings in 7 weeks
13 listings per week
close to 2 per day hitting the market. (this is a small town. that’s a lot)

Sonoma has been selling on average of 4 properties per week according to SFGate at that rate looks like Sonoma has a 6 month supply of houses on the market. This doesn’t factor in ANY of the new home developments- these are existing homes only.

Sonoma County sample listings progression
3/20/06 = 1742
3/26/06 = 1766
4/03/06 = 1888

146 new listings in 15 days.
close to 10 listings per day

 
Comment by athena
2006-04-09 12:12:51

ps… today’s Sonoma Valley listings are at 274

Comment by athena
2006-04-09 12:14:54

Sonoma County listings: 2113 4/9/06

 
Comment by athena
2006-04-09 12:19:44

just an fyi… 2005 Sonoma Valley sold 471 houses… right now there are 274 listings… that is more than half of the number sold last year. only 197 listings to go before we can have all the number sold last year on the offering table…I give it until July, and then they all will be on the table

 
 
Comment by miamirenter
2006-04-09 12:13:38

From FT:

“Metal prices, like all commodities, they are cyclical, and I don’t see any reason to change the long-term planning price because prices are higher,” he said.

Most copper miners base investment decisions on a long-term planning price of 80-90 cents a pound. However, the price has quadrupled in the past four years to about $2.70 a pound.

But investors argue that mining companies’ conservatism is merely helping fuel higher commodity prices.

“You have this standoff between the producers who think these commodity prices are not real, and are therefore not investing enough in new supply, and the hedge funds who are putting more money into the commodity market because they see that the producers are not reacting quickly enough by bringing on new supplies,” said one hedge fund manager.

Note the producers, just like bubble believers, think that market is out of whack and will plunge back..
it all aligns with excessive liquidity that is slowly being withdrawn…it ties w/ many asserting that gold/oil are being subject to same forces.
utility index has been leading the downers…

 
Comment by tom stone
2006-04-09 12:18:26

ran into a realtor in the park this am,”sebastopol is different”,”higher inventory good for market” asked her effect of less than 7% affordability of median home,declining wages,rising rates?”it’s different here,prices don’t go down in sebastopol” i told her real estate was cyclical,she just looked at me and shook her head.an honorary blonde…hope no one tells her she’s pregnant.

Comment by athena
2006-04-09 12:48:54

bwahahaha… I’m telling you Tom. They only talk to each other and with all the store clerks and delivery men turned real estate agent… its all on the same channel all the time.

Until they themselves are screwed or have watched an FB drop his pants and bend over before taking a big bath on his can’t lose investment the talk is going to be the same. I have never heard so many stepford comments in my life. I keep wondering really how they get them all to say the exact same thing. You can’t put 6 people in a room and get them to agree on anything else… but you can take 600 from Sonoma County and they will all spout the same drivel about Sonoma County real estate being different… won’t go down, everyone wants to live here. I am serious-I get no diversity of opinion. Except of course from my own daughter and her friend the daughter of a real estate agent. LOL ;-) everyone else has been programmed with the same effed up party line.

Ask Moonvalley, either she knows all the same people I know.. or her people too have been drinking the kool-aid now flowing from the tap faucet.

 
Comment by eastofwest
2006-04-09 12:49:34

Just like this blog was far ahead of the curve, I believe the word is still not out. They may have read the headlines but nooone has ncessarily had a personal experience with a downturn yet.It’s sliding down daily ,and still needs alittle more time to cause panic….I heard July. That sounds like a good timeframe for the public exit panic.
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As an aside, Volker had no problem raising rates into the mid double digits to curb inflation and really wreak havoc on the economy at large……

Comment by scdave
2006-04-09 13:11:42

He wreacked a lot of havoc on my backside I can tell you that…

 
 
Comment by athena
2006-04-09 12:50:57

ps… let me see what kind of data I can post on sebastopol history and current affairs tonight, then you can just give her the sonomahousingbubble website and see if she changes her tune. Even if she does, I bet she won’t tell you about it, or say thank you. ;-)

 
 
Comment by Bruce Dickinson
2006-04-09 12:35:27

” In the Nova/DC area where I live I can think of some good examples like expanding the orange line of the metro west which would require buying up land near I-66 that has houses on it.”

This is an ill-informed comment. There will be no impact on residential housing or eminent domain issues.

You can see the plans on http://www.dullesmetro.com. The metro will follow the toll road spur off I-66. It will detour through Tysons along 123 and route 7. Here it will be elevated and underground for a short segment thru the heart of Tysons. Ha-ha those crappy rental conversion condos (with about 25 for sale signs roadside on 123) next to Capital One will have double exposure to an elevated metro and the beltway on the other side.

 
Comment by feepness
2006-04-09 12:41:32

There is no telling, because the SF Chronicle has no statistical yardstick to back up its assertions.

Which is why the word bubble / crash / hard / soft is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. It is a tool used to hide the numbers. It is the greatest trick Lereah ever invented. When we talk about words we can avoid numbers and the numbers are what is terryifying.

What is relevant is what your home will cost next year. But if feels good to say there isn’t a crash.

1. There isn’t a crash.
2. There will be a soft landing.
3. There’s no bubble.
4. Anyone who buys now will lose 20% of their home value in twelve months.

Which of the above four statements means something?

 
Comment by flat
2006-04-09 12:48:24

NW DC seeing lots of sold signs- They must be leaving them up past the 30 day limit- who would bitch

 
Comment by Anthony
2006-04-09 13:33:02

Athena, I think you hit the nail on the head. I live in Humboldt county, about 3 hours north of Sonoma. My prospective landlords, from Santa Rosa, bought four homes here for “investments,” while still having there main house in Santa Rosa. They asked why would someone with my income want to rent, and I told them flatly that housing was overvalued and was overdue for a significant correction. Both of them became defensive and almost hostile, saying that the “north coast is just like the north bay…and everyone wants to live here.” They both agreed, however, that real estate appreciation may be constrained to 5-8% for the next couple of years, then it will be back off to the races, because California “real estate never goes down.” Needless to say, I am not renting from these overleveraged fools who will one day have their heads handed to them as interest rates and falling demand eventually send prices down–even in coastal California (just as it already has in the Central Valley).

Comment by Karen
2006-04-09 16:27:34

I went to Fortuna high school. I hear the area is “booming”. I would love to live there, BUT I live in Nevada, where the jobs are (at least for now).

Everyone might *want* to live there, but until the job picture changes…

 
Comment by peter evans
2006-04-09 18:22:06

Anthony,
My brother lives in McKinleyville and I make an annual road trip up to Humboldt. I live in So. Cal. and I always look forward to going up there. I have a fantasy of one day living there. Where do you live and what observations do you have of real estate conditions and the economy. Not to be overly nosy, but what do you do up there for a living. I’m always curious how people survive up there in Gods country.

 
Comment by athena
2006-04-09 20:17:24

well I went cruising some of the open houses today… AND then went to sunday dinner at my aunt’s. Everyone sat rapt as I gave them the loan statistics, household income data, inventory progression and I/O reset information. They nodded and oohed and ahhed at appropriate times. They were pinched foreheads and concerned looks- and then guess what happened? My aunt was suitably impressed that as ever I was informed and could quote good data and statistics like she taught me… and then… she says… well this is all very concerning and disconcerting, and it will end up bad for those foolish people. But it won’t have any effect whatsoever on the prices in the valley or the county. Nothing ever has impact on our prices, for the ones who financed themselves foolishly, there will be buyer willing to pay even more. Everyone wants to live here. Sonoma is different.

You know, there will come a day when I look my aunt in the eye, hopefully from across the table in front of 30 other family members and I will simply ask: “who’s your daddy now?” ;-D

 
 
Comment by _peggus
2006-04-09 13:36:21

I found this little golden nugget on craigslist today, nice looking bungalow in pasadena. Ripe for a lowball?

 
Comment by togoplease
2006-04-09 13:45:34

The last half of the this article tell all of the Realtor strong hold on the market.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/04/09/BUGROI5P0K1.DTL&type=business

When I was in San Diego recently, I noticed that most homes for sale were listed not at a single price, but with a price range, such as $700,000 to $725,000. (Alas, no daydreaming in San Diego — prices there are almost as high as here.)

The people I talked to thought it was a response to Internet searching. If you list a house at $725,000, people searching Web sites for homes priced at $700,000 or less won’t see it; but if you price it at $700,000 to $725,000, they will. Or so I was told.

I did some research and discovered that the strategy, dubbed “value range marketing” was started in Australia and imported into the United States by Prudential Real Estate in the mid-1990s.

“It developed during a buyer’s market, which is what the nation is moving toward,” says Carlton Lund, a broker associate with Prudential California Realty in San Diego.

“When I first saw it, I thought it was kind of crazy. But the market was extremely slow. We were kind of desperate to get something going. I thought I’d try it on a property,” he says.

Lund experimented with a house that had been on the market for 93 days without a single showing. He switched from a low price to a range and had an accepted offer within 48 hours. The first-time buyer, seeing the low end of the range, was emboldened to make a bid, Lund says. Since then, he has become a leading proponent of range pricing.

In 1995, only 12 houses with range pricing sold in San Diego. Last year, the number was 23,000, or 57 percent of the market.

Lund says Prudential paid about $15,000 to have the multiple listing service in San Diego change its software to accommodate range pricing. He says Realtor.com, the Web site of the National Association of Realtors, has started accepting price ranges.

Prudential brokers who use range pricing must choose one of 100 predetermined ranges. That’s so they don’t choose a range that is too narrow or wide. The typical spread is about 10 to 12 percent.

Lund says a range makes sense because “it’s impossible to really know what the value of a property is. Property values change every day, just like the stock market. As soon as a new house in the neighborhood comes on the market, it changes your value.”

Supposedly, setting a range encourages a buyer to submit an offer at the low end and start a negotiation that might end with a deal closer to the high end. With a higher fixed price, the negotiation might never begin. Lund contends that houses with range pricing get sold 20 percent faster than fixed-price homes.

Not so, say three professors who studied 5,852 houses sold with fixed and range pricing in the Fort Worth, Texas, area between January 1999 and December 2000. They concluded that homes with range pricing sold for roughly the same price as comparable homes with fixed prices but stayed on the market 15 percent longer.

“I think it’s just a gimmick,” says Sheri Faircloth, an associate finance professor at the University of Nevada, Reno, who co-authored the study. If you want to start a bidding war, she says, “to me it’s more rational to (deliberately) underprice” a home.

Lund says Faircloth’s study was too small to be meaningful. “It’s malarkey,” he says.

Comment by Kathy
2006-04-09 17:27:21

I’ve seen the first of these in my neighborhood in suburban Chicago. It is a Prudential listing. Problem is, the low end is way over-priced.

Comment by chilidoggg
2006-04-10 03:21:18

isn’t this what a “realtor” is supposed to do for you? you tell him you’re qualified for 500k, he tells you he knows of a property listed at 5500k, but with his intimate knowledge of the market (that you DONT have, hence the arrangement) he thinks that house will go for your 500k. or am I being too logical?

 
 
 
Comment by Portland, Mainer
2006-04-09 15:18:14

Following is inventory in Portland, ME (04103) for single family, multi-family, condos, townhouses and coops from Realtor.com. The number of listings was 28% higher in mid-January and has been on a steady decline. Some of this is probably due to in-migrants from out of state.

16-Jan 232
30-Jan 218
7-Feb 220
16-Feb 228
25-Feb 226
8-Mar 211
22-Mar 193
29-Mar 189
7-Apr 181

Comment by Portland, Mainer
2006-04-09 18:16:14

To add to the comment I made earlier on Maine inventory being bought up by out of staters, I just found the following article at Boston.com

Hundreds of Maine houses on market for more than $1 million

April 9, 2006

POLAND, Maine –The million-dollar home used to be a rarity in Maine. Now you can find hundreds of them on the market.

The real estate boom of recent years has pushed up the number of homes in Maine with price tags in excess of $1 million.

There are now 416 houses for sale in the state with an asking price of $1 million or more, while another 28 have sales pending, according to Colon Durrell, president of the Maine Real Estate Information System and a real estate agent in Wilton. In the past year, 196 houses have sold for more than $1 million.

Those numbers don’t surprise Valerie Lamont, director of the Institute for Real Estate Research and Business at the University of Southern Maine.

Part of push comes from the baby-boom generation that is looking for investment opportunities and for second homes that have the potential to become year-round homes.

“Certainly the limited discussions I’ve had suggest it’s the out-of-staters pushing this market,” Lamont said.

One of those pricey homes is an 8,000 square-foot house with 550 feet of frontage on Tripp Lake in Poland owned by Rose Aikman, who converted it into a bed and breakfast in 1996. Aikman is now ready for a rest, and is asking just shy of $1.5 million, including furniture, linen and china.

Aikman admits it takes a lot to keep up a home with 11 bedrooms, 13 bathrooms and extensive landscaping. But real estate agent Terry Hewitt was more pragmatic.

“If you’re buying a million-and-a-half house, you’ll hire someone to clean for you,” Hewitt said.

Hewitt has shown the property to some people interested in using it for a single-family residence and others wanting to keep it as an inn.

Home & Garden Television last week featured a house in Newry that is for sale for $1.55 million on its “What You Get for the Money” show.

Matt Hiebert, associate broker and director of marketing at Mahoosuc Realty, which is listing the house, has noticed an upswing in pricey listings in the last few years.

“It seemed three or four years ago, that a $300,000 house was a lot of money,” he said.

The million-dollar homes take longer to sell, Hiebert said. After all, not that many can afford a monthly mortgage of $5,000 or more.

“Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut is really where we focus our advertising,” he said. “It’s amazing to be able to think what their primary home is like if this is their second home.”

Some of the common denominators among the million-dollar listings are water access or mountain views, as well as amenities ranging from media rooms to heated garages to a “state-of-the-art bathroom.”

“They need to have, obviously, something that sets it apart from a usual house,” said Hewitt.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2006/04/09/hundreds_of_maine_houses_on_market_for_more_than_1_million/

 
 
2006-04-09 15:53:16

ORANGE COUNTY CALIFORNIA inventory up 67.8% from 1/2/2006 to 12,163! Hmm I wonder if prices will come down in Irvine? =)

1/2: 7,245
1/10: 7,866
1/20: 8,169
1/30: 8,430___1/06 sold: 2,594___1/05 sold: 2,903
2/10: 9,735
2/20: 10,141
2/28: 10,420__2/06 sold: 2,672___2/05 sold: 2,890
3/10: 10,845
3/20: 11,218
3/31: 11,762
4/4: 11,955
4/7: 12,163

 
 
Comment by Upstater
2006-04-09 17:33:11

We’re so out in the sticks the local paper lumps our whole county together for sales figures. Still, I found it interesting that our county YTD was up (slightly) over last year. And the sales price was way up…$85,000 to $130,000 (33 homes sold) which probably just meant a home in a town closer to civilization sold.

Interesting front page story on Skaneateles, NY…its assessments went thru the roof and there is worry about pricing out the middle class. See link below.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/poststandard/onondaga/index.ssf?/base/corrections-0/1132134236242140.xml&coll=1

Comment by NH_renter
2006-04-10 03:29:55

I’m from Syracuse myself. I’ve been watching the Syracuse real estate market in disbelief as prices have risen a bit. I’ve heard from friends that a lot of California investors have flooded this comparitively ultra-cheap market. A lot of landlords there can actually get positive cashflow properties.

Syracuse gets a bad reputation (especially among its young people who can’t find work, which I once was) but it does have quality of life advantages. If I could actually get a good job there I’d move back in a second. My parents have a nice home and their combined income in a single year is greater than the price of their house. I rent the cheapest apartment that I could find in Southern New Hampshire and yet my rent is almost double their mortgage payments.

 
 
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