A Testament To The Weak Housing Market In California
The San Francisco Chronicle reports from California. “Home sales volume in California and the Bay Area increased between March and April as lower prices brought bargain hunters out of the woodwork, according to numbers released Friday by the California Association of Realtors. Statewide, the median for single-family homes was $403,870, down 32 percent from a year ago and down 2.6 percent from a month ago.”
“In the Bay Area, the median stood at $691,930, a 17.9 percent slide from last year and a 1.8 percent dip from March. In the Bay Area, sales down 12.1 percent compared to a year ago.”
“Leslie Appleton-Young, chief economist for the Realtors trade group, said that new homes, which are not included in the CAR data, are also a source of bargains. ‘In areas where you have a lot of unoccupied new homes where the builders just want to move them and move on, those price cuts have been much steeper,’ she said.”
“That was the case for Bob Bargenquast and fiancee Ines Donnelly. In April they moved into a brand-new home in Napa. The builder was eager to close it out and move on to another project, Bargenquast said.”
“The three-bedroom house was listed for $765,000 in the summer. Over the subsequent months they watched the price steadily drop until it got to $650,000 in January.”
“They initially made a lowball offer and got the home for $645,000 after the builder threw in $52,000 worth of ‘top of the line’ upgrades for flooring, countertops, shutters and so forth.”
“‘We say, you know what, now’s the time,’ Bargenquast said. ‘Interest rates are down; it’s a buyer’s market.’”
The Tribune. “Sales of all homes in San Luis Obispo County continued to dip year-over-year, continuing in which transactions have gone down in 30 of 31 months since October 2005, DataQuick reported Wednesday. It’s also the lowest April for home sales since 1995.”
“‘A driving factor for people is the amount of inventory they have to choose from,’ said Barry Brown, an agent at Prudential California Arroyo Grande and state director for the California Association of Realtors.”
“Before … it was ‘buy this or someone else will,’ and they would just choose a property close to what their needs were. In this market, they can be very selective,’ he said.”
The Ventura County Star. “On Friday, the California Association of Realtors reported that sales of existing homes increased from a year ago, while the median price was down 28.2 percent.”
“The median price decline from $691,710 a year ago to $496,530 in April was the sharpest drop on record, said Robert Kleinhenz, deputy chief economist for CAR.”
“As a testament to the weak housing market, there are a lot of homes with ‘For Rent’ signs in the window these days.”
“Ronald Ormsby, whose property management office is in Camarillo, said there are about 55 houses for rent in the city right now. The housing market has put some people into the rental market who weren’t planning to ever become landlords.”
“‘People that might have to move and are having difficulty selling and can still manage to make the payments without going into foreclosure, I think they’ll rent by necessity rather than as an option,’ Ormsby said.”
“He estimates it could take another year before the market hits bottom. Ormsby has been through housing cycles before, including the one in California in the early 1990s. ‘I don’t think the recession we had then is anywhere near as severe as the one we’re having now,’ he said.”
The LA Daily News. “Home sales in the San Fernando Valley increased slightly in April from a year earlier, the first annual uptick in 30 months. But prices continued to tumble with the median falling 26 percent from a year ago, to $465,000, said the Southland Regional Association of Realtors.”
“The median price has fallen $160,000 in the past 12 months, an amount equal to the median price in March 1997.”
“‘There is a general feeling that the market may have hit bottom and started to rebound - definitely on the transaction side but not on the price side,’ said Jim Link, the group’s executive VP.”
“A similar picture emerged in the Santa Clarita Valley, with foreclosures also playing a big role. In that market, sales increased an annual 2 percent. The median price fell 19 percent from a year ago, to $480,000.”
“Condo sales there declined 12 percent from a year ago. The median condo price fell 26.5 percent from a year ago, to $279,000.”
The Daily Breeze. ” Home prices across the South Bay continued to slide in April, with every community cited in a report released Friday posting double-digit declines.”
“Carson was the area’s biggest year-over-year loser, with a 25.9 percent drop in median home price to $389,000, according to CAR.”
“Manhattan Beach experienced the second worst drop, of 25.8 percent, to $1,372,500. The South Bay, excluding the Palos Verdes Peninsula, saw a 12.8 percent drop last month, compared to a year earlier. That was still better than Los Angeles County, which suffered a home price decline of 19.6 percent to $435,000.”
“‘Part of the problem is that the lenders are sitting on some really tight approval criteria,’ said Realtor John Parsons, a Redondo Beach planning commissioner and former councilman. ‘Now they’ve gone too far the other way. It’s hurting everyone, including lenders.’”
The Press Enterprise. “A shifting of sales to foreclosure bargains in the under-$500,000 category especially energized the housing market in Riverside and San Bernardino counties, where existing home sales in April surged almost 33 percent above a year earlier.”
“Yet, as sales rose, prices kept falling. The median price of an existing detached single-family home in California last month was $403,870, down 32 percent in a year. In the Inland region, the median price was $278,800, down nearly 30 percent from April 2007.”
“More first-time buyers are deciding to act now rather than wait for further price declines, Appleton-Young said, adding that the trend could be cut short if mortgage interest rates increase.”
“‘For people who are doing the buy-or-rent calculation, buying could clearly trump renting in many places at this point,’ she said.”
The North County Times. “In this frail real estate market, taking a more innovative approach to selling property has become so popular, it’s even acquired a nickname: extreme open houses.”
“When Escondido real estate agent Harry Martin really wants to sell a home, his secret weapon is sausage-and-egg breakfast casserole. ‘Let me tell you, two things draw agents to come see your property —- food and money…I find that good food ensures the best turnout,’ said Martin, who has sold homes in Escondido and Scripps for the past 13 years.”
“‘The agents come by, tour the property, and then have breakfast,’ he said. ‘The most important thing is that it keeps them in the property longer, giving them time to appreciate it more and for me to tout what it offers. It works every time.’”
The Modesto Bee. “Rodney Lowe admits his timing isn’t the best. The housing industry was red hot 6 1/2 years ago when the prominent Modesto builder quit the business. Lowe publicly predicted the real estate market had soared too high and was about to crash.”
“Here’s the weird part: Lowe has decided to start building houses again. ‘When many builders are exiting the industry, I’m making a return. I guess I’m a glutton for punishment,’ Lowe said. ‘I think people would say that my timing is pretty crazy.’”
“Lowe competed with Wall Street-financed big builders during his tract home days. He recalled how publicly trading development companies helped push up land prices in Modesto’s Village I from $35,000 per acre to $350,000 per acre, which was far beyond what small local builders could afford.”
“But now that the region’s real estate market is in recession, most of the national builders have scaled down or canceled their construction projects. Land prices have plummeted, and many ready-to-build-on lots have been deeply discounted.”
“That’s good for local builders, according to Lowe: ‘I think you’re going to see a lot of local contractors come back into the game.’”
The Tracy Press. “The house at 28 E. Third St. in Tracy embodies in many ways today’s housing crisis. It’s an average-sized, middle-aged suburban abode that time, vandals and subprime lending left in disrepair.”
“Though pending home sales are on the rise in and around Tracy, banks are still taking on more homes than they’re selling. Wachovia sold 825 during the first three months this year, but added about 1,100 homes from foreclosure to its inventory during that same time, according to company spokesman Don Vecchiarello.”
“It’s telling when easily a third of homes on the market, according to the California Department of Real Estate, are in some way vandalized, said local real estate and mortgage company owner Brian Cable. Oftentimes, embittered former homeowners swipe anything not bolted down, punch holes in drywall or tag a home’s interior, like an angry calling card.”
“‘You wouldn’t believe some of these homes,’ Cable said. ‘I don’t think people realize what the former tenants do to them.’”
“Rep. Laura Richardson, who lost her Sacramento home in a recent foreclosure auction, has also defaulted on properties in Long Beach and San Pedro, records show.”
“Richardson was able to bring her payments up to date on the Long Beach home relatively quickly, but the San Pedro property lingered in the foreclosure process for almost eight months, and still has a pending auction date.”
“‘I am not financially wealthy,’ she said. ‘I am not a millionaire. - Based upon what I was going through, changing four jobs in less than one year, I think any American would understand what that does in terms of a person’s financial stability.’”
“As a member of Congress, Richardson makes $169,300 a year. As a member of the Assembly, she made about $116,000, plus a per diem for living expenses in Sacramento.”
‘When it was pointed out that the average American makes far less than that, Richardson responded, ‘The average American is not responsible for maintaining several households.’”
“She said she ultimately hopes to testify about her situation in front of the Senate, and will write to the president to urge him to sign a package of foreclosure legislation.”
“‘We need to put a better process in place, so a person’s home is not being sold up underneath them,’ she said. ‘We have to improve the way we respond to this crisis.’”
The Capitol Weekly. “The Curtis Park house is not Richardson’s primary residence. She also owns a four-bedroom house in Long Beach, in her congressional district. Real estate records show she purchased that house in 1999 for $135,000. An estimate from Zillow.com puts the current value of that house at $474,000.”
“Like many homes that have gone through foreclosure, Richardson’s new residence quickly became an eyesore. With Richardson gone, upkeep on the home lapsed, and neighbors began to get angry.”
“Sharon Helmar, and her husband, Mark, sold the Curtis Park home to Richardson because Sharon’s arthritis required the couple to move into a one-story house. With the area’s real estate market slowing down, the house remained on the market for months, and the Helmars, who lived in the house for more than 30 years, were getting desperate to sell.”
“Helmar said that she has never met Richardson personally, but dealt with Richardson through her realtor. The Helmars wound up giving Richardson $15,000 toward closing costs, she said.”
“And she is still angry over what happened to a home that clearly she never really wanted to leave.”
“‘It’s kind of silly. You would think people who are making decisions for others would be able to make good decisions for themselves,’ she said. ‘She should have known what she could afford and not afford. In this neighborhood, you just don’t do that.’”
“While Richardson walked away from her bank loan, she has begun to pay herself back for the money she personally invested in her initial race.”
‘For people who are doing the buy-or-rent calculation, buying could clearly trump renting in many places at this point,’ she said.’
Here we go again. If it’s so clear, people could figure it out themselves. But why doesn’t CAR do a power point presentation in detail and prove that at a press conference?
To her credit, there was this in the PE article:
‘ Among the unknowns, Appleton-Young said, is how much a wave of new foreclosures could add to the existing inventory of unsold homes and how much rising gasoline prices may erode consumer buying power. In addition, she said, the possibility of an economic recession and related job losses could put another damper on home sales.’
So when you show us all how buying is cheaper than renting, be sure and include recession incomes/rents and account for the hundreds of thousands of defaults right around the corner!
‘For people who are doing the buy-or-rent calculation, buying could clearly trump renting in many places at this point,’ she said.’
She said could. If you’re really bad at math, say a Realtor or former Realtor, then maybe the numbers could end up close. However, if “buying trumps renting in many places at this point”, it clearly isn’t on price. You’d have to use the bogus CAR affordability methodology and maybe use next year’s prices for the least desirable areas that have had the largest price declines to show that buying’s cheaper than renting. Rents aren’t rising, so buying must still get cheaper, a lot cheaper, for the two to be close.
“Among the unknowns, Appleton-Young said, is how much a wave of new foreclosures could add to the existing inventory of unsold homes and how much rising gasoline prices may erode consumer buying power. In addition, she said, the possibility of an economic recession and related job losses could put another damper on home sales.’”
Hey, Leslie, even your hype to sell homes is 2nd rate. I would propose that true inflation is running at 7%, that there is fixed rate 30 year loans at 5.5% and that Ben’s gang will be forced to raise interest rates if the real estate market stabilizes and inflation soars. I think the speculators in commidities are going to force Ben’s hand to raise rates quickly and substatially. If inflation gets to 10% and there is absolutely no investment anywhere that can beat that kind of inflation, and you can still get money at 5.5%, I’d say home’s will sell
Speaking of craptastic NAR commentary: On being Case/Shillered
http://rodomino.realtor.org/rmomag.NSF/pages/commentaryjune08
“‘There is a general feeling that the market may have hit bottom and started to rebound - definitely on the transaction side but not on the price side,’ said Jim Link, the group’s executive VP.”
Who is that GENERAL that feels that way? I know some Generals, who feel that in order for market to hit the bottom it should come to 97-99 year’s prices, same that happened after 89-91 highs, when market came down to 81-82 levels (81-82=95-96 almost).
easy..Knifecatchers
Cinch
When I purchased my home in Long Beach, CA in 1996 it was less than the seller paid for it new in 1982.
We did the same thing: bought for $60K less in 1999 than seller paid new in 1993.
“‘Part of the problem is that the lenders are sitting on some really tight approval criteria,’ said Realtor John Parsons, a Redondo Beach planning commissioner and former councilman. ‘Now they’ve gone too far the other way. It’s hurting everyone, including lenders.’”
They complain now… but what about in a year? Banks have to further tighten standards if they’re going to portfolio loans. And the new FHA guidelines are too lose to sell MBS bonds. When will they learn, you cannot legislate liquidity.
By my estimate, 2009 will be the year of the greatest price drops. So at a minimum wait out that year. As other bloggers have noted, Recessions really only get underway when the states match their spending to the new revenue environment.
Any predictions on the final California 2008 budget shortfall? I think we can pull off a round $30B.
Got Popcorn?
Neil
Neil,
I’m not sure that 2009 will have greater price drops than 2008, just that the whole market will have dropped together - REOs, short sales, by owners, regular listings, etc all reaching the same low level
The falling tide will truly drop all boats, and prices will get back to where they should have been all along - 1997 baseline + inflation - regional job loss and other market deterioration.
In Arizona this means about a 30 to 60% drop from the late 2005 highs - and the 30% is already here almost across the board. Houses in my neighborhood are now selling at about 65% of the 2005 high, but still 30%+ over the 2001/2002 prices.
In California it seems more likely to be 50 to 80% off, just due to the extreme climb in prices there.
I think by the end of this year most “owners” will have capitulated, and the low volume of sales in 2009 will reflect that. There will be no wishing prices again for a long, long time after the cold hard winter of 2008/2009.
“Cold, hard winter of 2009″ and the middle class will be the lower class wondering how to pay for $6 to 9$ gallon gas as they go to work with stable at best incomes. The federal reserve debasement of the currency, our paper money the Oil Country’s know is of less value, makes for a dim picture. The public will see how the banks, lenders have been “saved” by increase taxes on the workers backs. Perhaps the slaves might just get anger? Time will tell.
Renters keep waiting for prices to fall, yet they will probably spend the equivilent of 10% of the price of the home that they could buy right now on rent while they wait to buy the house.
At some point renters are definately throwing away their money, especially when a decent house can be found now that is 30% - 40% below 2005 prices.
Vote NO on all bonds and tax measures. In addition do not vote for any incumbants. For those of you in Rio Linda, that means the ones you voted for last with the (D) after or before their names.
so are you going with obama or clinton?
Go for the Ohbomblacins ticket…..sure to beat ancient Indiana McPain….and don’t forget to
send a get well card to Chappaquiddick Teddy….no packages please….so sad…….don’t worry Teddy…it’s all in your head…….think Mary Jo Kopechne is waiting up there to greet
him..HA!…wish I could see it!
OBSERVATION:
There is a Hand Car Wash close to my house (Oceanside,CA), always in the past around noon in the weekends this placed was so busy that there was a long line of cars.
Today, I noticed that there were no car in the car wash and workers (mostly Mexians) were playing soccer in the small lot there.
The weather has also been crappy this weekend. Most FBs do not want to get their Hummer H2s and other POS gas guzzling suvs all dirty right after they get it washed.
Is it VIP Carwash off Oceanside Blvd? I was looking through the photos of THBB and was surprised to see fellow bloggers getting together. Is there anyone in the San Diego area interested in doing the same?
Thanks for the site Ben,
Buck
nativerobinson@yahoo.com
Where are these photos I keep hearing about of HBB get-togethers? When I click on the HBB Photo Gallery all I see is a few house pictures. I’d like to see what some of the regulars in here look like.
Just keep clicking through the pics. They are there…
Found it, thanks. Didn’t realize you had to click on the pics. Wish there were separate galleries for houses and HBB regulars.
Hey buck we are neighbors too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XGJq8wrw5I
Ironic…some illegals are heading back home as jobs dry up. Meanwhile, outside REIC corporate headquarters buildings, desperate suits wait for day jobs.
wawawa we are neighbors.
Me too……yikes!
“Richardson was able to bring her payments up to date on the Long Beach home relatively quickly, but the San Pedro property lingered in the foreclosure process for almost eight months, and still has a pending auction date.”
“‘I am not financially wealthy,’ she said. ‘I am not a millionaire.”
So what the hell was she doing with THREE houses, two in So. Cal and one in Sacramento??? This is the bubble in a nutshell. No one making low six figures should have mortgages on 3 houses in a state as expensive as CA. And instead of presenting herself as a case study in how terrible foreclosures are, she’s the poster girl for 30% down, savings in the bank, debt to income ratios, etc. Oh, and one house per customer please, unless you really are a millionaire.
It will be really interesting to see how she fares in the 2008 election. Does anyone know who her opponent is? Not that I would suspect Long Beach of preferring a Republican, but pulleeezz, can’t the voters connect the state’s poor financial condition with the mentality of legislators like this one?
someone told her deficits don’t matter.
…then shot her in the face on a hunting trip.
Did she lie on her loan application–either overstating her income or stating all three houses were her principal residence? If so she should be prosecuted.
That would be politically incorrect to target a politician in a minority district.
“As a member of Congress, Richardson makes $169,300 a year. As a member of the Assembly, she made about $116,000, plus a per diem for living expenses in Sacramento.”
‘When it was pointed out that the average American makes far less than that, Richardson responded, ‘The average American is not responsible for maintaining several households.’”
I guess it’s our fault you were “responsible for” several households?
Jeez! What chutzpah! I don’t know what bizarre planet I’m living on anymore.
“I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!”
Mugatu in Zoolander
Richardson tries to get a pass on her financial irresponsibility by claiming she’s “maintaining several households.” Deliberate disingenuousness, I realize, but there’s a major difference between a “household” and a “house.”
As the great H. L. Mencken put it, “A home is not a mere transient shelter: its essence lies in the personalities of the people who live in it.” An “investment property” of the sort Richardson seems to have walked away from, on the other hand, is a cold empty structure.
Go figure that a sleazy politican is also a flopped flipper who skips out on her financial obligations. Then she has the gall to want to testify before Congress as a “victim” of the housing downturn. Seriously, we need to bring back the whipping post and public stocks for crap weasels like this.
I wonder how many other Richardson’s there are in congress. It’s no wonder their so concerned with trying to prop up the artificial prices.
Well, the speculators behind “Flip This Regime!” really flamed out.
How about we all do a zabasearch.com on our own congresspeople? If we find multiple properties then we can post.
“‘We need to put a better process in place, so a person’s home is not being sold up underneath them,’ she said. ‘We have to improve the way we respond to this crisis.’”
Isn’t there already a process in place that typically works…called paying your mortgage?
Not to excuse her egregious behavior, but she was in the State Assembly, which unless you have a private jet like Ahnode, requires a place in Sacto. Now she needs to be near an airport with access to DC. Long Beach would fit that bill. Pedro might not be in her district. She DOES have to live in the area she represents….
I live in a large 2 bedroom apt. within walking distance of the Capitol in Sac and she could have paid my rent for the whole year on the amount of per diem she received.
So, why couldn’t she rent a house?
“‘I am not financially wealthy,’ she said. ‘I am not a millionaire.’”
Larry Flint would pay her $1M to show some pink…while still in office.
Heh. My husband works for Larry’s internet division - if the good congresswoman needs some assistance, I’d be happy to make a call . . .
Checking out houses on zillow today. I know this is not a Cali house but I found this to be ridiculous. I thought all of the flippers left Vegas.
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I thought all of the flippers left Vegas.
I know bad punctuation
I thought all of the flippers left Vegas?
Also it looks like my link did not go through sorry:(
There is a house on Zillow site in Westmister, Ca $625000, which is for sale in Realtor.com for $499000. I have a feeling that Zillow is playing in Sellers side… to keep prices in 2005 level as much as possible…
I agree. Our house was raised $500,000 in value last year without explanation, then the historical graph was just blended in as if nothing happened. Zillow has no credibility.,
All they do is feed numbers to formulas. When the market is in transition that inevitably trails at best and gives junk data at worst. Zillow is still a useful tool for looking up comperables and recent sales. The idea that Zillow should have accurate price estimates during a huge correction strikes me as weird. How could they?
Zillow won’t have a rat’s ass effect on prices at the end of the day.
““They initially made a lowball offer and got the home for $645,000 after the builder threw in $52,000 worth of ‘top of the line’ upgrades for flooring, countertops, shutters and so forth.” ”
Ugh! And WHY would they really need the ‘top of the line’ upgrades? Sounds like a BOM/BOS syndrome to me. (bucket of money, box of stupid)
BayQT~
And they obviously weren’t serious about their lowball offer since they ended up settling for $5,000 off list price and $15,000 (supposedly $52,000) worth of trinkets. The builder smelled them a mile away.
Heck,
The builder threw out the line and took it in hook, line and sinker.
“Oftentimes, embittered former homeowners swipe anything not bolted down, punch holes in drywall or tag a home’s interior, like an angry calling card.”
“‘You wouldn’t believe some of these homes,’ Cable said. ‘I don’t think people realize what the former tenants do to them.’””
I resent Cable refering to these people as “tenants” like they were renters. They are former homeowners.
And I would believe what some of these home look like. I actually saw a bank owned house that had NO PLUMBING, NO CABINETS, NO SINKS, TOLIET OR TUB, it was basically just a shell of a house.
I was going to post the same comment regarding Mr. Cable libeling renters, but one of the definitions of tenant is occupying owner. He should have used “former homeowners”, just to be clear.
Former temporary high-price renters.
Former homedebtor. There is a HUGE difference between a homedebtor and a renter. One is FB, the other is not.
I do realize that but most people don’t think of a tenant as a homeowner.
Ive lived in San deigo my whole life and watched as Temecula bacame boom town USA, then Paris. Driving the 15 N you will find the same shopping center off every exit all the way to Ontario. Lowes, Home Depot, Target, Walmart, and you know the rest. Thats it! Nothing else out there. Cant wait till they start closin them down and the 15 becomes a ghost town.
Especially Victorville, Barstow and the rest of the high desert. With $4.00 soon to be $5.00 gas, the flow of traffic from SD and LA has become a trickle. Not as many people stopping in Barstow, buying overpriced gas and then going to Vegas to blow their kids college fund. I also was born and raised in San Diego until I graduated from college. Moved to Vegas for 5 years then moved back to SD. I have driven that stretch of the 15 between SD and LV hundreds of times. What I found amazing that at the height of the bubble(2005) there were homes in Barstow actually selling for 500,000!
I never noticed anything even remotely Paris-like about Temecula.
That would be the dog poop on the sidewalk.
Its Perris- that’s my hometown.
I actually saw two houses come up for sale today that were priced 100k and 200k below what the sellers paid for them! That’s incredible! In general people are still trying to get 2006 prices.
By the way, anyone from Sacramento see the Sac Bee the last couple days? They printed the new home paper two days in a row. I’m peeved by the efforts of developers to keep prices up:
The city of Roseville is getting involved with this one: http://www.roseville.ca.us/lp/supersize/victoriastation.pdf
They are having a lottery to sell 14 homes. 1464 sf Victorianish style. If the buyer can qualify for at least a $177k loan, the city will make up the difference of as much as $100k through a second mortgage. “The first would be a 30 year at current interest rates, now 5.875 percent. An interest-only requres 1 percent down.”
“The city provided second mortgage has no interest, no payments and is not due for 45 years.”
These homes look pretty dinky even for $280k. And in a few years they’ll probably be worth not much more than $200k.
And “Meritage invites shoppers to be mythbusters.”
“Many buyers think the road to homeownership includes a hefty down payment, no protection from declining home prices and no current home to sell, but these are among the challenges that Meritage has debunked.”
“They initially made a lowball offer and got the home for $645,000 after the builder threw in $52,000 worth of ‘top of the line’ upgrades for flooring, countertops, shutters and so forth.”
What morons - they pay a whole $5K less than the asking cost while pat themselves on the back for their “$52,000 in upgrades” that probably cost the builder no more than $10,000 to put in.
When I do buy, circa 2009 or later, I am so looking forward to being hated by all the knife-catchers who jumped in way too soon.
I’m thinking more of buying in the 2011-2013 range, unless the declines pick up speed and we arrive sooner than I expect.
“‘We need to put a better process in place, so a person’s home is not being sold up underneath them,’ she said. ‘We have to improve the way we respond to this crisis.’”
We’ve already got a perfectly fine process in place that prevents a person’s home from being sold out from underneath them: it’s called paying your note as promised.
I wonder when some of the sellers will awaken from their haze of severe denial. Here in the Coachella Valley, there are hundreds of used and new homes sitting around in the 400 to 600 range, with nary a buyer in sight. Yet the sellers just keep holding on to their wishing prices. It’s puzzling. One house I saw, in the new Mountain Gate development in Palm Springs, is a nice tract house, a second home where the owner is asking 575k. Sure it’s nice, but 575 in North Palm Springs? I think only 13 percent of the population make enough even for the median price (around 330), so who does she think will buy this house? People are not going to buy second or vacation homes in this economy. I saw recently she ‘lowered’ her price to 569k. Oh, yeah, lady, that six thousand dollars will bring them in like flies! Here this woman is shelling out thousands every month, for nothing. And there are hundreds more like her in town. Why don’t the sellers bite the bullet and saw off their rotting, gangrenous arm/house? Every month they hold on to these old prices, they are just bleeding more money. Do they think the cavalry is going to ride into town at the last minute with a herd of house-crazy, deep-pocket buyers? Of course, I guess some of these bubble-deniers are recent buyers or underwater and have no choice but to (try to) sell at the old price. But some are people who’ve had the houses for years and seem determined to hold onto the idea that they can get the price they want. Has any one ever noticed how this is kind of like certain kinds of deluded online daters: i.e.the ugly old guy who is holding out for the gorgeous supermodel?
Human beings. Who can understand them?
hey, more ridiculously, some of the houses price in my area, arcadia ca, is actually going up. I guess they’re expecting summer housing-buying tide. Their strategy is to raise the price so buyers would be fooled after discount.
The price in my area is still 15%off from the peak 2006 (yes, ridiculous). I told my agent that I will wait for couple years and he responses that this is such a good area just look at the price right now, it won’t fall further. I told him I’ll bet him a thousand for the price will be corrected to 2000 price in 3 to 5 years.
How can people afford a 700k median house with average household income 80k? We’ll see!
Rep. Laura Richardson, who lost her Sacramento home in a recent foreclosure auction, has also defaulted on properties in Long Beach and San Pedro, records show.”
Please write your local Representative–a written letter, not an email–and ask that they start the impeachment process for Laura Richardson. She voted for laws for personal gain…to save her at least $75K in taxes on forgiven mortgage debt.
I agree reuven. She needs to be investigated for loan fraud . Why did she buy rather than rent ?
Impeachment is only for members of the Executive Branch and the Judiciary.
Congress, however, can vote to expel one of its members.
Thanks for the correction! I’ll try to get my terminology right before writing….I guess they can also censure. I’m hoping the more conservative members of congress will make an example out of this woman.
OT but interesting . I think next shoe to deop will be Commercial Real Estate.Kool Aid is still flowing.
Harry Macklowe to Sell GM Tower to Boston Properties (Update3)
May 24 (Bloomberg) — New York developer Harry Macklowe agreed to sell the General Motors Building and three other Manhattan skyscrapers to Boston Properties Inc. for $3.95 billion in cash and debt, to pay off delinquent loans.
http://tinyurl.com/5lxvgf
Has any one ever noticed how this is kind of like certain kinds of deluded online daters: i.e.the ugly old guy who is holding out for the gorgeous supermodel?
Might work if old guy has money of Bill Gates and soon to drop dead, eg then 89 yr old that married then gorgeous Playboy model Anna Nicole. (not that she looked great when she passed away) For most, especially if BROKE, not a prayer in the world. Might get Granny.
Checkout this link for real estate info in the SF bayarea.
http://www.mercurynews.com/realestatenews
Some really interesting sales on some expensive properties.
Los Altos hills
Magdalena Rd 6/27/2007 $2,615,000
……………….4/22/2008 $1,560,000 a 40% reduction
Magdalena Rd 8/18/2000 $3,100,000
……………….3/13/2008 $2,150,000 a 31% reduction
Gilroy
Long Meadow 6/24/2005 $782,000
………………4/29/2008 $560,000 a 28% reduction
Suningdale….4/27/2006 $1,420,000
………………5/1/2008 $850,000 a 50% reduction
Briarberry…..10/11/2005 $742,000
……………….3/24/2008 $525,000 a 29% reduction
San Francisco proper still has plenty of sales at over $1000/sqft. Whatever.
The low end is still confounding all expectations. A dumpy post war duplex on an eternally busy corner in the Mexicans and white trash meth heads with guns part of town was on the market for what seemed like an age and just sold for nearly $800k. Whiskey - Tango - Foxtrot
“In the Bay Area, the median stood at $691,930, a 17.9 percent slide from last year
Still too high for 90% of the population.
Manhattan Beach and Redondo Beach are faring far worse than I thought they would - drove around RB today and saw an insane amount of ‘For Sale’ signs, apparently not much is moving.
Also, was I the only one who found the sausage and eggs casserole bit utterly pathetic? First granite countertops, now this…