May 25, 2008

Accepting The Inevitable In California

The Orange County Register reports from California. “A taskforce of attorneys general analyzed the number of subprime borrowers getting help from their lender. The study found that as of October 2007 about 70 percent of seriously delinquent subprime loans were not in any kind of workout with the lender. An update to the study found that as of January 2008 little had changed.”

“The update found that while loan servicers are doing more modifications, delinquencies are rising so quickly that the ratio of those not getting help remains the same: 7 out of 10 seriously delinquent loans are not in any kind of workout.”

“In Orange County, DataQuick reported banks took possession of 898 houses and condos in April, the highest monthly total in the company’s records going back to 1988.”

“Deborah Wilmoth, of Rancho Santa Margarita, is struggling with an option adjustable-rate mortgage. She has been making the minimum payment, with deferred interest adding up each month. She refinanced in February 2006, and after more than two years of making minimum payments she now owes about $43,000 more to the bank than we she started, for a total of around $400,000.”

“Wilmoth has taken on a second job at a youth shelter to pay her first loan with Wachovia and a second mortgage for about $100,000 with Wells Fargo, she said.”

“She said Wachovia didn’t explain how the option ARM loan would change over time if she kept making the minimum payment. Wilmoth also blames herself. After buying her two-bedroom condo for $216,500 in 2000, she refinanced and took out a second mortgage to remodel it.”

“‘I am not going to say I have this finance thing under control because I don’t, which is why I am in this mess,’ Wilmoth said.”

The North County Times. “Foreclosures have flooded North County’s housing market, and indicators show that the waters will be rising, not receding through the rest of the year. Of all North County foreclosed homes that went back to the bank within the last 120 days, 60 percent have not been listed on the market, according to a North County Times analysis.”

“And there have been more finalized foreclosures, 1,800 homes, over the last four months than the previous seven months.”

“Many housing analysts said they think option-adjustable rate mortgages will further exacerbate the foreclosure problem. Eventually, the mortgage balance becomes so large the lender forces the homeowner to pay all interest and some of the principal each month to start drawing down the balance.”

“For Diane Goodwin of Oceanside, that move would force her to lose two of her investment properties. And if the market does not improve, she said she could lose her other three homes, including her primary residence, over the next year and a half.”

“All five properties she owns carry the option mortgages, also known as negative amortization loans.”

“‘Yup, big mistake,’ she said. ‘However, we wouldn’t have any of them except the original house if we didn’t use neg-am, so it was a gamble. And at the time, it seemed like a good one. Obviously, we didn’t know what was going to happen to the market,’ she said.”

“Goodwin said she does not fit the speculator-investor prototype.”

“‘I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t a burden to my family when I get old. It was not to be rich, but to have something so that my kids wouldn’t have to worry about me when I’m 90,’ Goodwin said. ‘So now, instead of being able to retire when I’m 65 or 62-and-a-half, now, realistically, I’ll have to work until I’m 75.’”

“Of the 1,300 North County homes to be seized by banks over the last 120 days, 750 are still not on the market, according to ForeclosureRadar.”

“‘I think that the banks are in an analysis paralysis,’ said Norm Miller, a real estate professor with University of San Diego. ‘They’re trying to figure out whether to put it on now and bite the bullet or wait because they think we’re at the bottom. But everyone else is thinking the same way and there’s no way to avoid the rash of foreclosures.’”

“Some analysts, like Miller, think that current inventory numbers, though high, are artificially low because of foreclosure properties not on the market and regular homeowners who do not want to sell in a struggling market.”

“Some areas, such as parts of Oceanside and Escondido, have been so wracked by foreclosures that prices have dipped to $160,000 and most analysts do not expect further declines.”

“‘You look at 10 homes for sale, one is aggressively priced and another is priced at the same price as a year-and-a-half ago. … They’re going to be on the market for a long, long, long time,’ Miller said. ‘So this home is close to bottoming out, and the other one is in la-la land with the assumption that real estate never goes down.’”

The Press Democrat. “Mark and Rusti Lindsey are starting over, leaving behind an empty home they no longer can afford. On Saturday, they sold off pieces of their former lives on the driveway of the Petaluma house they once called home.”

“Even though the Lindseys stopped paying their mortgage seven months ago, it remains difficult to leave behind dreams permeating the home they purchased in 2003.”

“‘We’re going to be OK, but it’s going to be tough,’ Mark Lindsey said. ‘We wanted to try and move on. But we had so much emotionally wrapped up in this house.’”

“Scenes like this are occurring with increasing frequency. Every week, lenders seize nearly 60 houses in Sonoma County from borrowers who have fallen behind on mortgage payments.”

“As the toll mounts, the face of foreclosure is changing. Once viewed as a distressing downfall, losing a home is losing some of its stigma as foreclosures become more pervasive.”

“Fewer and fewer are fighting to hold onto their homes, said Chris Smith, a CPS agent in Santa Rosa who sells foreclosed houses for Countrywide Home Loans. When the final day comes, most are eager to take a lender’s check — from $1,000 to $4,000 — to leave so the house can be cleaned and put up for sale.”

“‘For the most part they’re amazingly cooperative. They’ve accepted the inevitable and they’re moving on,’ Smith said. ‘They’ve had time to get used to the fact that their home is going bye-bye.’”

“It is increasingly difficult to escape. Today, more than 60 percent of homeowners in default lose their homes to foreclosure, up from 5 to 7 percent historically, according to DataQuick.”

“Most are homeowners who purchased homes two or three years ago, around the peak of the housing boom. Many were drawn by both the easy financing and the seemingly endless ascent in home values. Some owners refinanced loans to tap equity, turning homes into piggy banks.”

“The result: foreclosures have soared to record highs in Sonoma County, and will likely continue to rise over the next six months, if not longer. Last month, lenders sent 509 default notices to delinquent borrowers, the first step in the foreclosure process.”

“‘Some people will just walk away,’ said David Rendino, a Rohnert Park agent who sells lender-owned homes. ‘It’s a tragedy for people on an individual level.’”

“Still others leave the county. ‘A lot of my Hispanic clients have gone back to Mexico,” said Rigzin Vassallo, an agent in Santa Rosa. ‘Their credit is thrashed. They have to start over.’”

“For the Lindseys, the joy of buying their first home has been displaced by anguish over financial difficulties that forced them out. ‘We’re just stretched,’ Mark Lindsey said. ‘With rising food prices and gas prices and everything else, it’s a double whammy.’”

“Paying the mortgage was not a problem in 2003 when the Lindseys bought their six-bedroom, 2,600-square-foot home in east Petaluma. They later refinanced to take out cash for a new furnace and hardwood floors, but regained that equity thanks to rising home values.”

“‘There were indications that the market would keep going up and the income was good at the time,’ he said.”

“A job loss was the beginning of the Lindseys’ financial undoing. Mark Lindsey was laid off in November 2006 shortly after surviving a bout with bladder cancer. His job was the family’s sole source of income while Rusti Lindsey home-schooled their daughter.”

“He attempted to build up what had been a side business. The couple also took in two renters. ‘It definitely helped, but it wasn’t quite enough,’ he said. ‘There’s only so much you can do.’”

“Desperate to buy time and stay in the house, the couple refinanced again, tapping equity to pay the mortgage and other living expenses. Their monthly loan payment, which started at $2,600 when they purchased the house, jumped to more than $3,700.”

“They started falling behind on the mortgage payments and, in November, stopped making payments. The default notice arrived in February.”

“The Lindseys hope to sell their home. But they are counting on the lender to accept an offer of $499,000 when the couple owes $680,000. If the so-called short sale is rejected, the bank would take back the home and attempt to sell it.”

“Whatever the outcome, the Lindseys’ credit will take a severe hit for 5 to 7 years. Still, they managed to rent a home, though it’s smaller and more expensive than they hoped.”

“In sacrificing space, the Lindseys also cut their housing costs. They now pay $2,200 in monthly rent.”

The Sacramento Bee. “From the lazy byways of the Delta to the shores of Lake Tahoe, a soggy economy and stratospheric fuel prices are hurting Northern California’s boating industry.”

“With Memorial Day weekend launching the summer boating season, boat sales are down, and marina operators say they’re noticing a drop in business. Analysts say the economic downturn is the No. 1 problem.”

“David Mayne, a used-boat broker from the East Bay who frequently plies the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta, said he’s run into people with upside-down mortgages who are trying to unload their boats in order to save their homes. But falling prices are making sales difficult.”

“‘It’s a bad time to be a seller and a good time to be a buyer, just like the housing market,’ Mayne said.”

“He recently received an offer of just $200,000 for a 42-footer docked at Lake Tahoe that he says is worth nearly $300,000.”

“The lazy start to the season was evident Friday afternoon at Cliff’s Marina, a ramshackle collection of buildings near Freeport at the northern end of the Delta. A handful of pleasure boats were trickling by on the Sacramento River as co-owner Alvin Stults talked about the economy, the price of gas and other problems.”

“‘A lot of people got boats, but they’re not going out,’ he said.”

“Some people ‘had a bad home loan and then on top of that, they bought a boat,’ said Barry Paulsen Jr., owner of Barry Paulsen’s Boat Center, a dealership with locations in Rancho Cordova, Fairfield and Oakland. ‘Those are the people who are selling.’”

“Dublin resident Donald Meyer spent $100,000 on a Bayliner that sleeps six. He’s been struggling since January to sell the boat. His asking price, posted on the Internet, is $72,900.”

“‘Like the housing market, there’s sufficient inventory around,’ Meyer said. ‘With gas the way it is, with the uncertainty in the economy, the average person … is probably not going to be willing to shell out the expense for a luxury item like that.’”

The Redlands Daily Facts. “What’s cookin’ on your grill this Memorial Day? Better yet, what can you afford?”

“Shiny high-end barbecues aren’t the hot commodity they were last Memorial Day, and it’s not because of our recent nasty weather. The culprit: empty piggy banks.”

“Families feeling pinched by record-breaking gasoline prices may save a few bucks by skipping that trip to Aunt Marsha or Uncle Jerry’s house, but fuel prices are only the half of it. A bleeding real-estate market has robbed homeowners of their equity and shut the lid on credit.”

“That old, rusty, $200-dollar charcoal grill abandoned in the backyard is pretty dilapidated - maybe even shameful, you might say. But it’s looking pretty good right now.”

“‘People are replacing knobs, flavor grades, burners - all kinds of things,’ said Antonio Fernandez, sales manager at Thompson Building Materials in Fontana. ‘It’s about saving money.’”

“‘Most people come in, they look, we quote them, and they take the brochure,’ he said. ‘The situation is hard for everybody.’”

“Ontario barbecue-island retailer Pete Estrada cashed in on record barbecue sales last summer from homeowners flush with home-equity lines of credit. Carefree customers strolled in with $10,000 checks in hand.”

“But last year’s numbers make this year’s look depressing.”

“‘When the (home) foreclosures came, that just killed my market,’ said Estrada, the owner of Island BBQ World. ‘I’m getting a few people coming back. They’ve decided, `Well, we can’t move, so now we’ll do something in the backyard.’”

“He added: ‘Nowadays, people think they’re going to die in that house because they can’t afford to move. They’re investing more into their backyards.’”

“During the housing boom, barbecue sales made up 10 percent of San Bernardino Fireplace’s total sales figures. The store sells wood stoves and fireplaces. The shop is usually swamped with barbecue shoppers two weeks leading up to Memorial Day. Not this year.”

“‘”We’re so far off,’ said Noah Perry, manager of the San Bernardino store. ‘Not much is moving. People are patching together their old barbecues. We’re selling more parts than anything else.’”

“Perry reminisces about the golden days of record barbecue sales. ‘Back then there was no hesitation. People saw it and said, ‘I want that,’ Perry said. ‘Now people are trying to save a buck and going with charcoal instead of gas.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-25 11:24:18

‘Perry reminisces about the golden days of record barbecue sales. ‘Back then there was no hesitation. People saw it and said, ‘I want that,’ Perry said. ‘Now people are trying to save a buck’

Ah, the golden days. When California trolls would post on this blog about how we were all crazy, crazy!, to think that prices would ever go down. Well, those people can sit in their boat in the driveway this weekend and eat cold spam.

Comment by laughing boy
2008-05-25 12:07:10

For those of us that missed the days of the trolls, how about re-posting some of the memorable ones (if you have them saved, that is)?

 
Comment by Talon
2008-05-25 13:18:34

Since I’m a bitter renter with plenty of cash, I was able to buy a shiny new gas barbeque a couple of weeks ago. Nothing fancy—$350 out the door with cover, tank, and a couple of utensils. Maybe I should, out of sympathy, find a couple of homeowners with tapped-out equity lines of credit and invite them over this weekend.

Comment by Ann
2008-05-25 16:33:09

$10K for a bbq grill??? To quote the judge from My Cousin Vinnie, (with a southern drawl), “Are you on drugs?”

Typical Joneses mentality.. what does a steak taste like on a $10K grill..like what…kobe beef…?? We own 2 acres of land with the house..when we went to Home Depot I told hubby ..screw the expensive fancy grill..get a riding mower so you don’t kill yourself!(.even had a coupon!)..have the lowes grill for 3 years now..food still taste great..

Just like my husband’s friend..went out to some stupid showroom and bought himself the 10K pool table..tried to show it off to us….was in shock when I told him I got mine from Ebay for $1200(picked out the style and felt and they put it together on site for me) and by the way..its is the same guy on ebay (Billard Ex) who supplies dealers in the area..oh..and the idiot financed it! Looked great at his house until the kids wrote on it!

Comment by Little Al
2008-05-25 22:16:42

I barbecued yesterday using a three-year-old forty dollar grill. I don’t think the meat felt the difference. The steak was wonderful. Am I supposed to feel inferior for my austerity?

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Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-25 13:19:00

“Well, those people can sit in their boat in the driveway this weekend and eat cold spam.”

ROFL!!

 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-05-25 13:30:08

I’m able to use the barbeque provided by my landlord any time I want. It’s in great shape and hooked right into the fuel source - no propane tank to run out at the most inopportune time.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-25 13:33:11

BTW, I’m planning to take the HBB on the road to San Diego the first week of June. I was wondering if any of you locals might want to meet up? If it’s any fun I might try it in LA, San Francisco and Las Vegas while I’m out and about.

I’ll put up a post about it tomorrow, and if you are interested, email me with OTR-SD in the message bar.

thehousingbubble@gmail.com

Comment by az_lender
2008-05-25 14:15:50

Maddening, everyone throws these parties out of season! (When I’m in Maine.) Well, at least I’ve gotten to meet NYCB and Big V and Mole Man and REHobbyist and sfbayQT. That was a good start.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-25 14:48:55

Ben, if you ever decide to come back to Alaska and hang out outdoors or do a downtown pub crawl, let me know.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-25 17:42:03

Downtown pub crawl would have to mean Anchorage, I suppose. I had lots of good times there, and Alaskans like their beer. Glacier is great, and Moosestooth. Humpys is my favorite place ever. I even worked briefly at Beartooth. Yeah, we’ll have to do that.

 
Comment by Bubble Butt
2008-05-25 20:24:18

If you have time to stop in OC, I am game.

 
 
Comment by sfbayqt
2008-05-25 19:01:32

Fantastic! It would be great to meet you in person, Ben. I’ll look out for the post, and send email.

BayQT~

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-05-25 18:22:01

Previous tenants left behind their charcoal grill - not beautiful, but completely functional, and man do I love the taste of charcoal-grilled steak or kabobs.

Comment by aqius
2008-05-25 20:52:15

if Ben ever comes out in public we will have to round up a security squad of renters-in-black to seal manhole covers, check roofs for snipers, and frisk any sign spinners in proximity.

dont be fooled by those blue-haired gravel voiced female realtors; also watch out for bitter former realtors. they will be easily spotted drivin the backup econobox wjile wearin a pissed-off look picking up little hunter from (gasp)public school, sportin’ a cookie lee emblem in the back window for extra $$.

lets all chip in for groucho glasses too . . . just to be safe.

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Comment by Butch
2008-05-25 11:33:57

Let them eat cake……

The beginning of capitulation. This selling season is not working out as planned.

Debt slaves………

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-25 11:36:26

Yeah, that four day old ‘on-sale’ cake…

 
 
Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-05-25 11:54:28

`Well, we can’t move, so now we’ll do something in the backyard.’”

My buddy Sam and I found a used SS BBq he says is worth 600.00 that he got for 300.00.
We celebrated his find by going out for Thai food. Now he, his lady and 7 cats will not starve if they turn off the Power.

Now I want one too!

Comment by walt526
2008-05-25 12:07:43

“Now he, his lady and 7 cats will not starve if they turn off the Power.”

7 cats? Sounds like he and his wife would only be able to get by for one week.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-05-25 12:24:03

‘Now he, his lady and 7 cats will not starve if they turn off the Power.’

Well, the cats won’t starve at least…
I wonder, do you think they could manage the grill dial thingies with their little furry paws?

Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-05-25 14:46:54

Oly, come to california to meet Ben Jones.
Girl Power!

Comment by mikey
2008-05-25 15:06:05

Ben…If you’re gonna meet Olympiagal in SD, hide your pallets of beer and gold in the hotel safe :)

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Comment by jrochest
2008-05-25 17:06:13

“Well, the cats won’t starve at least…
I wonder, do you think they could manage the grill dial thingies with their little furry paws?”

Why would they bother? That’s what human slaves are for….

:)

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2008-05-25 13:09:09

I don’t understand this high-priced outdoor grill business. I got a nice little hibachi I bought at an estate sale for five bucks.

Comment by tuxedo_junction
2008-05-25 13:16:26

I agree. Those big gas-fired grills look like they are made for army field kitchens and catering services. How many people need grills that can cook for 100+ mouths per hour?

Comment by desertdweller
2008-05-25 22:41:41

Saw 5 minutes of HGTv and the guy had built a HUGE 6 foot
SS grill in front of his view of “the valley”. So when he puts the lid up, he sees nothing, but when it is down, you have to stand up to see over it. Why would you pay for the view then?

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Comment by Molly
2008-05-25 13:23:53

“‘Now people are trying to save a buck and going with charcoal instead of gas.’”

Then there are those of us who can afford a gas grill and still prefer charcoal. It makes the meat taste better.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-25 14:37:03

Charcoal has more carcinogenic potential and less environmentally friendly, no?

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Comment by KayLaw
2008-05-25 15:06:27

If I may one-up you,Palmetto, we’re about to use our gas grill. It’s probably dumpster material for most but we like it a lot. We bought it from a garage sale and has pretty wood counters and a burner, too! We paid $5 and it came with a nice cover.

We live in the same part of Florida as you and think the grill will be great after a huricaine.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-05-25 14:36:59

“During the housing boom, barbecue sales made up 10 percent of San Bernardino Fireplace’s total sales figures. The store sells wood stoves and fireplaces. The shop is usually swamped with barbecue shoppers two weeks leading up to Memorial Day. Not this year.”

” I MISS the smell of FB shishkebobs in the evening” :)

 
Comment by Carlos Cisco
2008-05-25 17:35:16

Whew! Finally someone with more felis domestici than I have ,er, I should say have taken over much of my life.
Now, OV, if you really want one too, I can ship you out a nice tortoise shell. If its a SS barbi you want, local home Despot and Lows has as many of these as they had three weeks ago. Should be some vicious price cutting soon. Something tells me that the Chinese are going to need a lot less stainless next year.

Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-05-25 18:13:00

Carlos. Once, when I was in Indonesia, I saw the tortoise fishermen capture many tortoises and load them up on barges.
I know I cried to see that scene.
Just like when I was near cancun and the men on the beach killed a mongoose right in front of me.
Me: I was screaming at them, they were laughing at me.
I cried and cried.
Did anybody ever see that traveling chef who ate that iguana tamale? They forgot to cook it thru.

 
 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-05-25 12:21:40

“Even though the Lindseys stopped paying their mortgage seven months ago, it remains difficult to leave behind dreams permeating the home they purchased in 2003.”

It almost sounds like a mold or termite problem. Maybe some enterprising entrepreneur could go into the ‘Busted Dream Eradication’ business.

 
Comment by Yvette
2008-05-25 12:25:07

Condos are still overpriced in CA, if you can afford the condo price, you can’t afford the monthly HOA fee. HOA fees are out of wack.
Best to purchase a house and be rid of HOA.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-25 12:31:55

“‘I think that the banks are in an analysis paralysis,’ said Norm Miller, a real estate professor with University of San Diego. ‘They’re trying to figure out whether to put it on now and bite the bullet or wait because they think we’re at the bottom. But everyone else is thinking the same way and there’s no way to avoid the rash of foreclosures.’”

Poor dumb bankers would rather ride the falling knife down all the way to the ground than to face their home equity losses today. Are they still fantasizing that a bailout is going to somehow make them whole, or is it more a matter of the monkeys preoccupied with flinging pooh at zoo visitors?

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-25 14:41:18

The only bailout I see that might help the economy is to stop collecting taxes for a year or two (and decreasing gov’t spending by the same amount..et tu, Republicans)…but somehow I don’t see that happening.

Comment by Malibucreek
2008-05-25 15:04:32

That’d be one way to end the war….

 
 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2008-05-25 13:03:07

“Goodwin said she does not fit the speculator-investor prototype.”

I am not a specuvestor, I just wanted to make a quick buck in real estate.

Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-25 13:33:26


No, I was doing for the family. “I am a good person.”

Jas

 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-05-25 13:39:42

“Goodwin said she does not fit the speculator-investor prototype.”

No, of course she doesn’t. Doesn’t everyone who knows nothing about real estate go out and buy 5 houses with neg-am loans? In her mind, to fit the prototype, would you need to buy 10 or be named Casey?

Comment by mikey
2008-05-25 14:48:37

Another idiot “Investor” that just graduated with Honors from the RE Clown School of Gambling and Hard Knocks :)

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-05-25 18:25:48

I’m impatiently waiting for Godwin and her ilk to be flushed out of the market along with the speculative excesses they created. Buh-bye and good riddance.

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Comment by crisrose
2008-05-25 14:08:32

“For Diane Goodwin of Oceanside, that move would force her to lose two of her investment properties. And if the market does not improve, she said she could lose her other three homes, including her primary residence, over the next year and a half.”

“All five properties she owns carry the option mortgages, also known as negative amortization loans.”

“‘Yup, big mistake,’ she said. ‘However, we wouldn’t have any of them except the original house if we didn’t use neg-am, so it was a gamble. And at the time, it seemed like a good one. Obviously, we didn’t know what was going to happen to the market,’ she said.”

“Goodwin said she does not fit the speculator-investor prototype.”

“‘I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t a burden to my family when I get old. It was not to be rich, but to have something so that my kids wouldn’t have to worry about me when I’m 90,’ Goodwin said. ‘So now, instead of being able to retire when I’m 65 or 62-and-a-half, now, realistically, I’ll have to work until I’m 75.’”

Let’s see:

Greedy - check
Something for nothing - check
Lazy - check
Liar - check
Stupid - check
Gambler - check
Selfish - check

If it looks like a duck…

Comment by Tim
2008-05-25 14:46:34

Remember the days when ppl that wanted to be rich worked hard and saved.

If you have no skills, any promise of easy money is a shark looking for a mark.

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-25 14:51:22

Yes, Diane…think of the children.

 
Comment by Ann
2008-05-25 16:51:44

Same as hubby’s friend..

His famous words..”I never saw it coming…”( on neg am loans!)

“She said Wachovia didn’t explain how the option ARM loan would change over time if she kept making the minimum payment. Wilmoth also blames herself. After buying her two-bedroom condo for $216,500 in 2000, she refinanced and took out a second mortgage to remodel it.”

I am also SICK AND TIRED of these people saying..blah..blah..blah..I never understood what I signed..I didn’t know what a option ARM was..lets set this straight..

“EVERY MONTH WHEN YOU GET YOUR STATEMENT TO PAY YOUR MORTGAGE ..IT SHOWS THAT YOUR MORTAGE BALANCE IS I-N-C-R-E-A-S-I-N-G!!!!! AND EVERY MONTH ON YOUR STATEMENT YOU ARE GIVEN THE OP-T-I-O-N TO PAY 3 DIFFERENT AMOUNTS..THE FULL PAYMENT, THE INTEREST ONLY OR THE LOWEST TIER PAYMENT THAT ADDS TO YOUR MORTGAGE BALANCE..”

Enough of these idiots.. you knew what you got into on the first statement..take your neg am crap and shove it!(only on 4th beer..burp..sorry!)

Comment by mikey
2008-05-25 17:02:06

I would imagine the losers playing “Russian Roulette” never see IT COMING either :)

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Comment by az_lender
2008-05-25 14:19:34

Richard Nixon: “I am not a crook.”
Ms Goodwin: “I am not a specuvestor.”

ha ha. I have posted sometimes about a Morro Bay friend who bought just one house in 2005 “so I won’t be a burden on the kids” and didn’t even use neg-am…just I/O ARM…that in itself was enough to characterize (my friend) as a prototypical FB specuvestor. Goodwin is the kind who Caused the Crisis.

Comment by BigV
2008-05-25 14:50:59

“I’m didn’t buy the house as a speculative investment, I just gambled on the house hoping that I wouldn’t have to work or save money.”

 
Comment by easthawaii
2008-05-25 17:05:39

“Goodwin is the kind who caused the crisis.” Sort of, but I blame the lenders who used to say no, put 20-25% down, then say maybe…

Comment by crisrose
2008-05-26 01:43:55

It takes two to tango. Greedy Goodwin is guilty as charged.

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Comment by Cubedude
2008-05-25 13:06:32

“‘I think that the banks are in an analysis paralysis,’ said Norm Miller, a real estate professor with University of San Diego.

With the Federal Reserve allowing banks to borrow against their mortgage backed securities at full face value, there is no reason for them to sell. If they did, they would have to bring their losses onto their balance sheets. Let’s face it, most of the banks are bankrupt and the Fed is giving them time to build up their liquidity.

Comment by emcee
2008-05-25 13:26:44

With the Federal Reserve allowing banks to borrow against their mortgage backed securities at full face value, there is no reason for them to sell. If they did, they would have to bring their losses onto their balance sheets.

Interesting. Is the Fed subsidizing the build up of a monstrous phantom inventory? Hmm.

Comment by combotechie
2008-05-25 13:30:49

“Is the Fed subsidizing the build up of a monstrous phantom inventory?”

Anything is possible and dooable until the November election.

After the election is when the SHTF, IMO.

Comment by walt526
2008-05-25 13:50:09

“After the election is when the SHTF, IMO.”

Bingo. Which is exactly why the recovery will not be happening in Spring 2009.

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Comment by desertdweller
2008-05-25 22:47:58

Ditto.
I expect Christmas shopping to be alot different this year for many. I expect this weekend May have had some drivers vacationing, but I suspect that Labor day weekend will be much much lighter on the roads and gas pumps.

 
 
 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-25 13:37:34

What is wrong with doing what little we can to give lenders time to recover? If the alternative happens.. collapse of the financial markets.. how many will be happy about it? Don’t include sociopaths in the calculation..

Comment by az_lender
2008-05-25 14:23:20

In this case I agree. The Fed’s action to slow down the collapse is very important in keeping our financial system in SOME kind of order. All of us here would like to be able to buy cheap soon, but the accompanying chaos would be unwelcome.

On a slightly related subject, I sent an email to the Fed’s public comment space when Bernanke said the wave of foreclosures “benefits nobody” …I basically said “Don’t forget about us TENANTS, we are not NOBODY”…I said it more elegantly but that was the drift.

Comment by SDGreg
2008-05-25 15:20:17

“In this case I agree. The Fed’s action to slow down the collapse is very important in keeping our financial system in SOME kind of order. All of us here would like to be able to buy cheap soon, but the accompanying chaos would be unwelcome.”

Better to have a cheaper house and and a job, even if it takes a little longer, than to have the ashes of the house and no job.

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Comment by Jerry D
2008-05-25 17:37:35

You really think the federal reserve can keep the job market going with unlimited printed money? Study your history. It failed in the past. Better not take off the sun glasses as “reality” always will shine bright for all to see.

 
Comment by combotechie
2008-05-25 17:55:06

“… to slow down the collapse is very important in keeping our financial system in SOME kind of order.”

Praise to the knifecatchers for sacrificing their money to the System, and praise to the NAR for encouraging them to do so.

 
Comment by emcee
2008-05-25 21:22:43

Amen to that, combo.

 
 
 
Comment by ex-WA
2008-05-25 14:25:22

Because the collateral will never be worth the made up “face value”, and we the taxpayers will ultimately foot the bill for the difference.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-25 15:59:23

There’s no requirement that the collateral ever equals the amount that was lent on it. After all, not every transaction results in a profit. Losses do happen all the time.

In one sense, bank survival can be defined as being able to stomach all those losses.

Therefore, if banks survive, they will pay for their stupid lending practices. But if they fail to cover those losses it means they have failed to survive.. and we will pay..

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Comment by Chucky
2008-05-25 13:08:34

“‘I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t a burden to my family when I get old.”

You are a burden on society at moment and unfortunately for the future as well.

Comment by walt526
2008-05-25 13:54:14

“‘I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t a burden to my family when I get old.”

Take some hemlock tea and everyone will be happy.

Seriously, sometimes I wonder if it would be solve a lot of longterm socio-economical problems if euthanasia took hold as a trend among Baby Boomers…

Comment by Meshell
2008-05-25 14:10:11

Reminds me of that movie set in England in the future where the government handed out suicide kits.

Comment by crisrose
2008-05-25 14:14:06

As long as the recipients are greedy worthless dumba$$es like her, I’m all for it!

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Comment by az_lender
2008-05-25 14:26:25

Don’t blame just us boomers. There are too many goddam PEOPLE in the world. Of course, none of MY friends and relatives is superfluous. Nevertheless, a sharp reduction of the human population is to be desired. For the sake of all other species, and also for the sake of human civilization. The sharp reduction of human population will IMO occur, but it won’t be pretty since nobody is willing to plan it. Well, I should give the Chinese govt a bit of a pass on this, since they had the balls to try to enforce a one-child policy.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-25 15:01:04

I wish Boomers had elected the ‘boring’ politicians at all levels who were good at making the trains run on time, balancing budgets, and not afraid to make tough choices in times of excess…but they instead chose photogenic politicians who catered to their hubris and fed them a steady diet of lies and ‘wedge issue’ paranoia while they fleeced the country.

The generation I admire most is the boomer’s parents (i.e. post-depression and WWII). They are the ones who actually built this country.

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Comment by Darrell in PHX
2008-05-25 15:15:43

“The generation I admire most is the boomer’s parents (i.e. post-depression and WWII). They are the ones who actually built this country.”

Oh.. you mean the generation that created Social Security and has not let us fix it. The generation of “deficits don’t matter”. Yeah, heros all of them.

 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2008-05-25 15:39:08

“The generation I admire most is the boomer’s parents (i.e. post-depression and WWII). They are the ones who actually built this country.”

Have to disagree with you on that one. My parents’ generation (I’m a boomer) IMHO had a lot to do with today’s economic problems, by buying into all that “upward mobile” crap and making sure that their kids didn’t “suffer like we suffered.” Thus, the whole McMansion mentality was mainly the result of the post-depression and post-WWII way of thinking.

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-25 16:42:00

“My parents’ generation (I’m a boomer) IMHO had a lot to do with today’s economic problems, by buying into all that “upward mobile” crap and making sure that their kids didn’t “suffer like we suffered.”

You mean that going through the Great Depression and then fighting a war to defend American soil against Hitler and Tojo’s aggression wasn’t real suffering?

Give me a break…at least they didn’t mortgage their own children’s future earnings by voting in fiscally irresponsible politicians while simultaneously cutting taxes for themselves. They didn’t start an unwinnable war against imagined WMDs and simultaneously squander the world’s goodwill after 911 (the Pearl Harbor of our generation).

Unlike the “Greatest Generation”, the boomers have ensured that their children will live far worse than they did.

 
Comment by Ann
2008-05-25 17:05:11

sorry Doug have to disagree with you on that one..the boomers parents lived within their means, they had one car in a household, only a doctor or lawyer drove a expensive car, they bought only a house that fit their basic needs (common were 3 bedrooms 2 bathrooms), they saved for retirement and they stayed at their jobs for a lifetime…Today’s boomer kids have had it too easy with CREDIT since college and this has given rise to the joneses..well.they have to have it now, yesterday mentality,..latest ipod/iphone/stupid toy, newest LEASED BMW, huge home with huge mortgage to boot, they switch jobs every 3-5 years, retirement is their parents savings account, living in more debt than ever with credit cards(their parents used credit for the washer, dryer or fridge..they use credit cards to eat out), THEIR PARENTS would never consider taking a SECOND mortage on the house and their lovely offsprings don’t want to work because MOM and DAD have passed on their “joneses..I am entitled to everything” mentality..I don’t think that boomers parents passed that on to them because they never had the access to “fake charged up” wealth like their children did..

 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2008-05-25 18:07:51

Thinking that maybe we boomers were victims of the conspicuous consumption mentality started recently when, while researching a book, I read a lot of mags (especially LOOK, LIFE, and the SATURDAY EVENING POST) from the ’50s. They were full of ads that encouraged our parents to buy, buy, buy, everything from new cars to TVs. If they didn’t own those items, the ads implied, there was something wrong with them. Those ads were written by members of “the greatest generation” for members of “the greatest generation” (we boomers were only children then.)

 
Comment by peaceful
2008-05-25 18:32:16

They didn’t start an unwinnable war against imagined WMDs and simultaneously squander the world’s goodwill after 911 (the Pearl Harbor of our generation).

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uuuhhhhhh . . . . BOOMERS started the war? Sorry, it was the BUSH ADMINISTRATION who started the war, and last time I checked generation x has been voting for quite awhile now. I get tired of Gen X thinking that all problems come from the generations before them and that they are the most wonderful generation ever, yet “victims” of the rest of horrible humanity that came before them . . .

Gen X = the “I’m entitled” and “it’s all someone elses’ fault” generation

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-05-25 18:33:13

The so-called Greatest Generation spawned the Most Worthless Generation, the selfish and self-indulgent boomers. It’ll be interesting to see how the succeeding generations they bequeathed with their staggering debts and societal costs of their misguided social engineering schemes treats them in their dotage. I’m thinking a Kervorkian solution wouldn’t go amiss for most of them.

 
Comment by lostcontrol
2008-05-25 19:07:04

Ann, in the 50’s and early 60’s only business owners had credit cards. Everyone else shopped at Sears. Thats the only way you could buy appliances on installment payments.

Since banks operated from 9am-3pm, monday-friday, your grocery store was your local bank branch. Everything was paid for with cash or check.

From what I remember in my CA youth.

 
Comment by lostcontrol
2008-05-25 19:09:56

Another point, in So. CA good annual income was $6,000 per year! Na…that can’t be right…losing memory…mem…m..

 
 
Comment by Nomansland
2008-05-25 15:55:19

But then again, in Chinese culture, male children are far more valued than female children, which means they have what, an “oversupply” of grown men with no wives available. Hmmm…a standing army of, say, 10 million expendable men? Sounds potentially dangerous to the world.

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Comment by Houstonstan
2008-05-25 16:10:36

Not only that but that single son is spoilt rotten :)

 
Comment by James
2008-05-25 16:29:08

Nah, a bunch of stupid horny guys will get all distracted by the porn on the net.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-05-25 18:38:07

It seems like the most obnoxious and ill-mannered kids in my children’s school have the only-child syndrome. Their moms are too guilt-ridden from working all the time to ever discipline them, and try to buy their affection with all kinds of toys and devices. The result: little monsters who think the world should revolve around them, and throw a fit when it doesn’t. Given the proportion of only children being raised like this, it’s scary to think of what the future holds.

 
 
Comment by walt526
2008-05-25 17:25:57

“Don’t blame just us boomers.”

As Boomers retire, they will contribute less to the economy while consuming greater resources (namely healthcare). While its true that any policy aimed at “thinning the herd” would help alleviate the burden on finite resources, the greatest marginal gains can be achieved at the older end of the spectrum.

Seriously, governments need to enact policies to either greatly reduce fertility or increase death rates. Conservation and improved technology can only get us so far. In strictly economic terms, the best thing that could happen to human civilization would be a widespread pandemic that reduced overall population levels by about 80%, followed by mandated fertility controls to hold population growth at 0%.

The global population is approximately 6.7B, which is unsustainable. Even half that (3.35 would be levels around 1960s) would almost certainly exceed carrying capacity at what most would consider acceptable minimum level of living standards (moderate poverty). For the entire population to enjoy US living standards ($45k per capita), the carrying capacity would be around 1.2B.

War, famine, pestilence, or death… take your pick. But somehow 5.5B people need to go away and not come back.

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Comment by paul
2008-05-25 18:04:16

Walt:

Your foul words drip with gore and an insatiable lust for death.

This planet has more than enough for all, but much like the gov’t, you wish to order the world according to your desire for power and give no credence to the dreams or desires of others - those who will bear the burden of your sick fantasies.

Please go back to reading Malthus in your dark solitude and leave the rest of us to live and love as we see fit.

Paul

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-25 18:42:26

“…governments need to enact policies to either greatly reduce fertility or increase death rates.”

Agreed. All the humane Malthusian arguments make perfect sense to me. I have never understood why society opposes gay rights and birth control (though abortion is a bit more morally ambiguous for me), or embraces keeping terminally ill people or extremely premature babies alive for an extra week or two at all costs.

The “one child” per family rule is the cruellest way to control population size…I feel sorry for all the Chinese who lost their “only” children in the recent earthquakes, BTW.

 
 
Comment by Carlos Cisco
2008-05-25 17:44:45

Africa, with their average of 6 per female, are making up for the Chinese slackers

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-25 18:47:18

Don’t forget Africa also has much higher death rates and the lowest life expectancy on the planet. Unfortunately, the Vatican (with an extremely high number of new African converts) along with the US opposes family planning efforts by the UN.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-05-25 18:29:44

A one-child policy isn’t the answer. Intelligent people with desireable genetic traits should be allowed to have all the kids they want. Cretins and social parasites should be sterilized. Eugenics is an idea whose time has come. It’ll take generations to undo the downbreeding that has taken hold in this country.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-05-25 20:59:07

And who will be the judge of what is intelligent with desireable genetic traits?

You, me, a committee, the government, a society. Oh wait, I believe this was tried in the 1930s-1940s.

Wow what a society you must want Sammy.

 
Comment by walt526
2008-05-25 21:20:41

Actually, eugenics was widely practiced in the US during the late 19th century and first half of the 20th century mostly through the forced sterilization of mentally retarded, mentally ill, and criminals. The Third Reich was actually inspired by America’s practice.

Setting aside the strawman claim of ethnic cleansing (as not all eugenics need to be racially/culturally motivated), what about genetic and polygenic diseases? It is very likely that within our lifetimes medicine will develop the capability of identifying all of the genetic causes of diseases. Why would it be ethically wrong to seek to minimize (if not eliminate) these diseases?

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-05-25 22:27:04

I can take your strawman argument further,

There was a deliberate attempt to wipe out the Indians in the 1800s. So ethnic cleansing is nothing new.

Please expand on your “Why would it be ethically wrong to seek to minimize (if not eliminate) these diseases?” How will this be done. Can this be done with a shot, removal of the bad genes? etc.

 
Comment by walt526
2008-05-25 22:54:03

Technology might be developed at some point in the future that could resequence or otherwise correct the offending genes. If not, all that is necessary is the ability to identify the genes and then prevent the carriers from procreating (either entirely, or with others who carry recessive genes).

 
 
Comment by Thomas
2008-05-27 09:35:26

The collapse in birthrates across the developed world is one of the main reasons credit and the housing markets got so insane.

“Spengler” of the Asia Times wrote a piece on this. Basically, the argument is that the last generation of Germans (and Italians and Swedes and Swiss, etc.) had drastically fewer children than their parents. Since so much of investment is driven by older people (or their representatives) building up investments for retirement by lending to younger people who have a need for capital to get on their feet, Europeans had to go looking overseas for young people to lend to. There weren’t enough young Germans to go around. There really weren’t enough young Americans, either, so the banks created a whole new borrower class — subprime folks and specuvestors.

Basically, there was too much money chasing after too few genuine investment opportunities. We’re seeing the inevitable results.

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Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-25 13:10:24


“RISMEDIA, ***June 22, 2007*** -California’s real estate downturn will be deep and long lasting, with home prices falling 15 to 30% during the next 36 to 42 months, according to a real estate expert.”

Prescient except for “with home prices falling 15 to 30% during the next 36 to 42 months.” Prices have already fallen more than “15 to 30%,” depending upon the area, in less than 12 months.

Jas
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Expert Says California’s Real Estate Crisis Will Be Worse Than Most Analysts Realize

RISMEDIA, June 22, 2007-California’s real estate downturn will be deep and long lasting, with home prices falling 15 to 30% during the next 36 to 42 months, according to a real estate expert.

Bruce Norris, who correctly forecast both the real estate boom that began in 1997 and the subsequent doubling of home prices, said the downturn will reflect a perfect storm that includes record numbers of foreclosures, a sharp decline in migration to California, substantial increases in unsold inventory, and, of course, falling prices.

“We are in for a very rough ride in California’s real estate market, which is likely to be far more severe than analysts, state officials and real estate industry associations have acknowledged,” Norris said, adding, “Foreclosures alone are likely to be more numerous than anything we’ve ever experienced, with bank repossessions ultimately accounting for as high or as many as 25-30 percent of all homes sold during the next three years. But like any storm, this, too, shall pass.”…..(We need to) come to terms with
the fact that analysts, state officials and the California Association of Realtors are either not being frank about the severity of the coming crisis or they simply aren’t looking at the right categories of statistics…he expects California real estate prices to again rebound in 2011 as foreclosures decrease, the number of homes for sale declines to a manageable level and as California again experiences a net increase in population migration…the trouble with the analysis given by most real estate observers is that it’s based on flawed assumptions, including the widespread belief that interest rate adjustments can somehow hold back the looming real estate crisis.

Comment by az_lender
2008-05-25 14:29:33

Good point, Jas; but I have to admit the 15% decline in per sq ft prices in Morro Bay took almost two years to happen. Perhaps medians are coming down faster than per sq ft prices, if jumbos have gotten hard to find. Agree with you that 30% down in a year has happened in some areas.

 
 
Comment by Chucky
2008-05-25 13:20:29

“……but regained that equity thanks to rising home values.”

Your ephemeral equity didn’t pay the bills did it. That comes from income.

 
Comment by Giacomo
2008-05-25 13:25:17

“Some analysts, like Miller, think that current inventory numbers, though high, are artificially low because of foreclosure properties not on the market and regular homeowners who do not want to sell in a struggling market.”

Bingo! Seems like a good proportion of my neighbors are “regular homeowners” who want to sell but think they can wait out this little downturn and claim their wishing price in some future bull-market. They really need to spend an evening with a calculator and figure out how much their pride is going to cost them.

Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-25 13:48:28


The hidden inventory, waiting to reveal itself at the first signs of prices going up, or when the waiting only makes it worse and “I can’t take it any more.”

Jas

 
 
Comment by Anthony
2008-05-25 13:37:23

“I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t a burden to my family when I get old. It was not to be rich, but to have something so that my kids wouldn’t have to worry about me when I’m 90″

Ahh, yes, yet another Clownifornian’s obsession with RE…5 homes! If all the people in the state who own multiple residences who can’t afford them would just let them go back to the bank, and the bank actually marketed them, I’m sure most upper-middle income neighborhoods in the state would fall back in the 100Ks or lower.

 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-05-25 13:38:55

anyone that can offer a guess on the % of foreclosure already in process ?

BTW banks not clearing inventory can’t be legal

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-25 15:38:59

It’s legal if they can meet their capital requirements by charging usurious fees on ATMs and credit cards, and when their over-leveraged hedges in the stock market finally go tits up. Part of what is saving their big fat dishonest butts so far is the ongoing rise in commodities prices, especially oil.

But that won’t last forever…

The only way the banks will finally sell ALL their inventory is if they are forced to level with their shareholders and FDIC, but they have kept losses off their balance sheets with financial wizardry and a futile ray of hope that there will be a turn around in the housing market any day now.

Of course, Uncle Fed is making their lives a lot easier through the discount window, which is equivalent to a ‘back room’ bank bailout…all in the interest of “saving” the economy.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-25 16:13:28

They don’t seem to understand that the ‘back room’ bailout plan is not sustainable. What next: Bulldozers to reemploy displaced construction workers and clear out all the latent inventory that might otherwise depress prices?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-25 15:50:26

What does legality have to do with what banks do?

 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-25 13:53:46


‘A lot of my Hispanic clients have gone back to Mexico,” said Rigzin Vassallo, an agent in Santa Rosa. ‘Their credit is thrashed. They have to start over.’

Hey, that may be one solution to the Illegal Immigration problem. With jobs gone, or going, there will be less attraction for the newcomers.

Jas

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-05-25 15:10:38

they come for the jobs, but stay for the welfare

Comment by Mole Man
2008-05-25 16:07:41

Do you have evidence of this? Demographic research has consistently shown HIspanic immigration follows job availability. What has happened in specific areas such as Harrisburg, PA and Arizona as a whole strongly suggest that these immigrants move along when jobs availability is a problem. Being conservative in outlook and policy is great, but one of the major lessons of this bubble is that making decisions based on what you feel may or should be the case constitutes a monsterous trap.

Comment by flat
2008-05-25 17:17:13

visit the er of your local hospital
olah’ no one is paying, but you

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Comment by bulwark
2008-05-25 20:25:24

What ER? They’ve all been closed because of the Hispanic parade. They go to ERs for everything and don’t pay, so they’re being closed all over the place. Good luck if you get in a car accident!

 
Comment by Mole Man
2008-05-25 21:06:47

How dare you imply that I do not watch and know what is happening at local emergency rooms? What utter conciet! Since you pretend to care, I will tell you. Hispanics are not overwelming care in my area. Most often they make use of various free and low cost clinics provided by philanthropic organizations or the County. You don’t have these kinds of relief valves because you put all your energy into discrimination and hate instead of coherent reactions that would improve community health. The whole business with Emergency Rooms being overloaded has been going on for at least three decades and happens even in communities that are dominated by white people and do not attract immigrants. Where I live the biggest threat to Emergency Rooms is the situation with urban crime which has been made worse over time with these habitual, knee-jerk easy answers and the relentless desire to make war in the Middle East and elsewhere instead of seriously attempting to solve problems at home.

I am unlikely to get in a car accident because of my record of safe driving. Because of my community’s record of safe medicine even if I do get in an accident I am likely to receive prompt treatment because I live close to several Emergency Rooms that are rarely used to capacity.

Bashers hate the immigration that made this nation great. Unless you are a pure blood descendent of North American aborigines you have no business speaking out against immigration. Unless you have actively supported reforms to immigration then you have no business protesting illegal immigration. The Bible says repeatedly that Christians were strangers in the land of Egypt. Flaunting that lesson will only bring you closer to hell.

 
Comment by bulwark
2008-05-25 22:15:07

Even USA Today agrees with the proposition that Hispanic immigrants caused ERs to close in LA: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-08-21-la-county-ers_x.htm

 
Comment by Houseless
2008-05-25 22:35:59

Mole Man,

I rarely come out of lurk mode on this blog, but I just wanted to salute your efforts to enlighten and educate. I only wish I was able to post a little earlier to increase the chances of your seeing this. Good on ya, man.

 
Comment by David
2008-05-26 01:42:30

“Bashers hate the immigration that made this nation great. Unless you are a pure blood descendent of North American aborigines you have no business speaking out against immigration.”

African Americans never asked to come here.

 
Comment by Thomas
2008-05-27 09:42:53

Immigration made this nation great in an age when the welfare state didn’t exist…and in which public education involved spending just enough to educate children, not to keep imperial unions fat and happy without regard to results. Immigrants brought more value to the country than they could possibly take out.

That is not necessarily true today.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-25 14:01:32


‘It’s a bad time to be a seller and a good time to be a buyer”

The first part is obvious, but the second part is anything but. Half truths?

Jas

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-25 15:53:10

The second part just omitted a few essential details:

It is a good time to be a prospective buyer with an extraordinary level of patience.

Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-05-25 18:23:11

Hey, that’s me without the patience.

 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-25 14:07:36

‘Like the housing market, there’s sufficient inventory around,’

The same would be the case for small private planes. I don’t think that the prices for used planes have gone up in a long while and they may yet go down a lot.

Jas

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-05-25 14:13:39


“What’s cookin’ on your grill this Memorial Day? Better yet, what can you afford?”

“Shiny high-end barbecues aren’t the hot commodity they were last Memorial Day”

I will do it in a BBQ pit. NY and Rib eye steaks, corn, potatoes, salad, apple-pie, ice cream, Cabernet, and whatever the guests bring. They should be here soon.

Have a Happy Memorial Day everyone.

Jas

Comment by Earl The Vagabond
2008-05-26 06:24:40

Wow… Sounds like a serious upgrade from the $2 pizzas and such.

:)

 
 
Comment by reuven
2008-05-25 14:29:52

“‘Yup, big mistake,’ she said. ‘However, we wouldn’t have any of them except the original house if we didn’t use neg-am, so it was a gamble. And at the time, it seemed like a good one. Obviously, we didn’t know what was going to happen to the market,’ she said.”

“Goodwin said she does not fit the speculator-investor prototype.”

“‘I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t a burden to my family when I get old. It was not to be rich, but to have something so that my kids wouldn’t have to worry about me when I’m 90,’ Goodwin said. ‘So now, instead of being able to retire when I’m 65 or 62-and-a-half, now, realistically, I’ll have to work until I’m 75.’”

Do these loans generally require you to be the primary resident in the property? I’m wondering what pack of lies this greedy woman put down on her mortgage applications. She admits she knew it was a gamble.

Comment by reuven
2008-05-25 14:46:20

BTW: She claims it was a gamble, but it’s likely she lost NOTHING! She had 5 no-money down (?) neg-am mortgages. What did she gamble? In fact she probably lived cheaper than renting, and now can hand everything back to the bank.

And if she pulled any money out with a HELOC, she gets to keep it, tax free. That’s better than any deal I ever got.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-25 15:46:47

You can bet that any money she pulled out of a HELOC she spent on building her housing empire even bigger. I bet there are a lot of would-be Donald Trumps out there who are overdue for their ‘come to Jesus meetings’…once the economy tanks and they can no longer charge rents that will actually cover their mortgage payments.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-05-25 14:58:04

“‘I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t a burden to my family when I get old. It was not to be rich, but to have something so that my kids wouldn’t have to worry about me when I’m 90,’ Goodwin said. ‘So now, instead of being able to retire when I’m 65 or 62-and-a-half, now, realistically, I’ll have to work until I’m 75.’

Maybe she can get a job as a French maid for a family of Strawberry pickers :)

Comment by pismoclam
2008-05-25 19:00:29

I love French Maids!! hehehehehehe

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-05-25 15:48:31

Many opt for staycation– relaxation closer to home
By Jenifer Goodwin
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
May 25, 2008

 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-05-25 16:13:59

Another idiot “Investor” that just graduated with Honors from the RE Clown School of Gambling and Hard Knocks

Would that be Carlton Sheets as the head instructor?

Ben, how about bringing the HBB for an Albuquerque visit?

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-25 17:43:54

Let’s do it.

 
 
Comment by Adam
2008-05-25 18:21:25

Grills, eh? I have a $25 hibachi. I fuel it with real wood lump charcoal, no ‘briquets’ here please. There are two stores within 5 miles or so that sell dry aged, USDA prime steaks. My favorite cut is rib eye, but I’ll buy NY strip sometimes if they look good. The result tastes better than any $10k gas burning monstrosity can produce. Am I missing something here?

 
Comment by image009
2008-05-25 19:02:24

I have no doubt at this point that we are going back to at least 1998 prices in all areas. (Yes, even the precious high-end.) The median will come back down to about 250K here in SD. We are still about 50-60% over-priced in the high end markets (North county coastal.) Don’t worry, these will drop too. Just check what the price was on a property in 1997-98. That’s about what it will be worth at the bottom sometime in the next 2-3 years.

 
Comment by Puzzled
2008-05-25 19:59:09

“Shiny high-end barbecues aren’t the hot commodity they were last Memorial Day, and it’s not because of our recent nasty weather. The culprit: empty piggy banks.”

“Families feeling pinched by record-breaking gasoline prices may save a few bucks by skipping that trip to Aunt Marsha or Uncle Jerry’s house, but fuel prices are only the half of it. A bleeding real-estate market has robbed homeowners of their equity and shut the lid on credit.”

If someone truly qualified for a home loan, it is unlikely that they can’t afford a BBQ or a one-time road trip - unless they are truly irresponsible idiots who did not deserve that loan in the first place. Responsible budgeting means spending appropriately on housing (e.g. smaller home, renting) so you’ll have enough left over for other things.

Is that article really saying it is “normal” for people who can buy a $800,000 house to not be able to afford a $3,000 BBQ or a few tanks of gas? If you can’t afford a few tanks of gas for a vacation, you have no business buying a house. If you need a HELOC to pay for a BBQ, you have no business buying a BBQ or a house.

Also, nobody “robbed homeowners of their equity”! What a ridiculous statement. It’s like saying, because they voluntarily paid $100,000 for a Hyundai, they were “robbed” $80,000. Nobody robbed you if you overpaid for a POS in a really ugly part of Southern California. Being so-called “homeowners” appealed to their vanity, leading to ridiculous financial decisions.

Live within your means, people. If you can’t afford a BBQ or a few tanks of gas, you obviously are not living within your means.

Comment by SaladSD
2008-05-26 00:20:29

“Bleeding” RE and “robbed” equity. Must of been a “drive-by” appraisal.

 
 
Comment by Lisa
2008-05-25 20:37:35

“All five properties she owns carry the option mortgages, also known as negative amortization loans.”

“‘Yup, big mistake,’ she said. ‘However, we wouldn’t have any of them except the original house if we didn’t use neg-am, so it was a gamble.”

…Another housing bubble in a nutshell quote. How many millions of other FB’s wouldn’t be in “their houses” without IO, zero down, NINJA loans?

My first mortgage was adjustable, with 3 payment options: Full P+I, interest only, and negative amortization. I never, never chose to make the lower payments. Ever. So all these cry babies whose loan balances have ballooned are just ridiculous. Does no one bother to look at their statements anymore?

 
Comment by Suzanne, I researched this!
2008-05-25 21:11:50

“Some areas, such as parts of Oceanside and Escondido, have been so wracked by foreclosures that prices have dipped to $160,000 and most analysts do not expect further declines.”

Because that’s the way asset classes work, the ones the drop the most are the first to rebound…NOT. The first to drop or the last to rise.

Comment by BigV
2008-05-25 23:14:58

SIRC:

Long time no see. Happy Memorial day in advance, just in case I don’t see you tomorrow.

-Big V

 
 
Comment by Otto
2008-05-25 22:17:34

One interesting fact from the Santa Rosa article is that 60% of foreclosure notices end up with the bank taking possession of the house.
Apparently in the past that number has between between 5 and 6%.
I find that a truly staggering statistic.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-05-25 22:34:32

Watched 60 Minutes earlier this evening. They had an episode about subprime. It was one of the most balanced reporting I’ve seen so far. It was first shown in January and updated in May. Here’s the link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/25/60minutes/main3752515.shtml

 
Comment by Nozferatu
2008-05-26 00:21:25

I’ve been hearing this same old crap over and over again for the past 1 1/2 years now and I still don’t see homes in the Glendale/Burbank/Pasadena area even remotely close to being reasonably affordable.

Even that sh^thole they call Eagle Rock you’d be hard pressed to find a home worthwhile below $700K due to all the eclectic losers who think it’s cool to pepper their walls with psychedelic paintings and be able to walk down to their local sh&thole bar dives.

Please…let us know when prices actually drop in areas that count…not in areas like Merced and middle of BFE on route 99 going to Fresno where no one lives.

 
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