May 29, 2008

Speculators Ran Out Of Money And Time

A report from the Arizona Republic. “Complaints to the county about algae-laden “green pools” behind vacant or abandoned homes have leaped almost 250 percent since a year ago, increasing to 2,069 during the first five months of 2008 compared with 597 during the same period in 2007, said Johnny Dilone, spokesman for Maricopa County Environmental Services.”

“Kara Cox, a Maricopa County vector-control specialist, said she is working six 10-hour days a week, responding to as many as two dozen complaints every day. About 80 percent of the properties she visits are vacant, Cox said.”

“‘Our workload has increased significantly,’ she said.”

“Roughly 75 percent of green-pool calls to Maricopa County Environmental Services since July 1 have been for swimming pools behind abandoned or unoccupied homes, up from just 25 percent of calls the previous year, said John Townsend, manager of the Vector Control Program in Maricopa County.”

“In all, the county has received about 8,000 mosquito-related calls during that time and expects the number to reach 10,000 by the end of June.”

“‘It’s all kind of new,’ Townsend said about complaints leading to abandoned properties. ‘Last year, we had a few, and this year we’ve seen a lot.’”

“The increase in abandoned homes also has created an enforcement dilemma for the county, Townsend said, because in most cases the listed owners are long gone.”

“Townsend said if homeowners facing foreclosure decide to abandon their property and don’t want to drain the pool, they should at least call the Vector Control Office to pick up free gambusia fish from the county.”

“Troy Corder, committee member and resident of Surprise, said his community’s greatest concern is the consensus of housing-industry experts that the foreclosure rate has only begun to climb.”

“‘We haven’t even hit the tip of the iceberg when it comes to foreclosures,’ he said.”

The East Valley Tribune from Arizona. “The Valley’s average apartment rent hit a record high recently, but experts say it’s still the best time in years to be a renter. That’s because landlords are being forced to compete with thousands of vacant single-family houses put up for rent by frustrated home sellers.”

“Valleywide, 67 percent of landlords offered some sort of special deal to lure renters in the first three months of 2008. That’s up from 55 percent a year ago, according to a report by Pete TeKampe with commercial real estate brokerage Marcus & Millichap.”

“‘Compared to the last two years, this is a great time to be a renter,’ said TeKampe.”

“Failed condominium conversion projects have also added to the excess supply of rentals as investors returned thousands of units to the rental pool.”

“‘There’s just so many rooftops for people to live under,’ said Greg Thielen, associate partner with Hendricks & Partners.”

“Investors bought properties based on projected rents that never materialized, he said. And some investors are starting to miss payments to their banks, Thielen said. ‘Lending’s gotten more difficult, as well,’ he said. ‘In the past, they’ve been able to refinance to get help.’”

“The state’s new employer sanctions law has also hurt some apartment operators. Many landlords were impacted in December, when tenants left before the law went into effect, Thielen said.”

“The vacancy rate in one area near 29th Street and Greenway Road jumped from 7 percent to 22 percent in a year, said TeKampe. ‘That’s an area that just got absolutely devastated,’ he said.”

“Thielen said he’s heard of some buildings that are up to 30 percent vacant. It’s difficult to know if the growing vacancies are just related to immigration reform or also job losses in certain industries, such as construction, he said.”

The Las Vegas Business Press from Nevada. “Las Vegas’ housing downturn has ratcheted up competition amid area contractors, increasing bid lists and lowering profit margins, panel participants said at a National Association of Industrial and Office Properties event.”

“Several specialty trade companies which had relied on the housing boom for steady income, are finding themselves out of work and struggling to make ends meet. There were 1,781 Clark County housing permits pulled in March, a 77.7 percent drop from a year ago. Also, a 22.5 percent decline was reported in the number of active Las Vegas Valley subdivisions in March.”

“‘We’re definitely seeing longer bid lists,’ said Frank Martin, president of Las Vegas-based Martin-Harris Construction. ‘A couple of years ago, some of these jobs were lucky to get a couple of bids. Now, we’re seeing double and triple the number of bidders.’”

“Yet many of those companies are ill-equipped to move from residential to commercial construction.”

“The market slowdown is especially noticeable due to the deluge of general and specialty contractors that have migrated to Las Vegas in recent years, attracted by its building bonanza.”

“‘There is more competitiveness in the construction industry than we’ve seen in the past few years,’ said Kevin Burke, president of a Las Vegas general contracting firm.”

“The number of bids is reducing contractor margins, in some cases creating unrealistic expectations. Owners will ’shop’ bids, pitting one contractor against another, to secure the lowest project cost estimate.”

“‘It will drop margins by a percent, which, in contracting, is significant,’ said Brooks Williams, president of a Las Vegas general contractor. ‘We have (subcontractors) calling us constantly looking for anything to bid.’”

The Review Journal from Nevada. “Sen. Barack Obama led a sober town hall meeting Tuesday in North Las Vegas where people told the Democratic presidential candidate that there’s more to the housing crisis than foreclosures and that its effect isn’t limited to those who bought more home than they could afford.”

“The Illinois senator used the campaign stop to highlight his plans to address the nation’s real estate troubles. Obama also told the crowd that he favored a plan proposed by Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., that would use the Federal Housing Administration to convert high-cost mortgages into more traditional, and affordable, loans.”

“The mortgage lending industry needs more monitoring and consumer protection requirements, he said.”

“During the North Las Vegas town hall meeting, Francisco Lomeli told Obama that tighter lending standards in the wake of the foreclosure crisis, with student loan debt, were preventing him from buying a home.”

“Lomeli and his wife decided to put off buying a house until she finished nursing school, he said.”

“‘It seemed back then that the house dream was there. Make it through college, we can make it happen,’ he said. ‘But now the dream seems to have gotten further away from us. We don’t know who to trust. We don’t trust the lenders. We don’t trust the banks.’”

“And because they have student loan debt, the lenders do not trust them either: ‘Now the credit people are, ‘No, no, no,’ because we’re in debt.’”

“Tighter regulation of lenders could have prevented their plight, Obama said. ‘A lot of this wouldn’t have happened if we had done a better job of regulating the banks and the mortgages. Nobody was watching them,’ he said.”

“Before the town hall meeting, Obama stopped briefly at the downtown Las Vegas residence of Felicitas Rosel and Francisco Cano, who are worried they might lose the home they bought three years ago with an adjustable-rate mortgage.”

“‘At the beginning it was OK, but all of a sudden, it started going up and up,’ Rosel told Obama.”

The Spectrum from Utah. “Southern Utah’s real estate sales were at their peak in May of 2005. The numbers had dropped by nearly half in December of 2007. While it’s not what it once was, the market is still solid. That was the message from Joseph McPhie, general manager of Southern Utah Title, at Wednesday’s meeting of the Chamber.”

“‘There’s a lot of good news, particularly if you’re a buyer right now,’ McPhie said. Foreclosures, unfortunately, ‘are something that can’t be ignored’ because they are affecting the product available as well as the price point.”

“McPhie said drawing something from the numbers is a matter of attitude. He told the story of an ancient ruler who dreamed he was losing all his teeth. When he asked for an interpretation, one wise man told him all his family members would die before he did.”

“Disliking that message, the ruler had the man beheaded. The second wise man told him he would live a long life and outlive many of his family members. Same message, different delivery.”

“McPhie’s ultimate message is that the market has been growing slowly the past few months. He said he believes that growth will continue.”

“‘I hope all of us will be cheerleaders for our area,’ he said of the way to help the area rebound. ‘We live in a great place with great people. I think we’ll enjoy a renewness(sic) in our market.’”

The Daily Herald from Utah. “A Las Vegas real estate auctioneer is putting up for sale more than 50 foreclosed residential properties and lots in Utah in yet another sign of softness in the high-end residential market.”

“The inventory, owned mostly by Centennial Bank, is valued at more than $20 million in total. About 35 of the 52 homes and lots for sale are located in northern Utah County.”

“On the auction block are 23 finished and unfinished homes ranging between $175,000 and $2.6 million, based on previous list prices or bank-appraised values. Also included in the sale are 29 custom lots that range between $111,800 and $408,000.”

“‘Many of those properties were owned by speculating owner-builders who had hoped to finish the homes and resell them, but ran out of money and time,’ said Eric Nelson, founder of Eric Nelson Auctioneering. ‘If the bank can sell the properties all in a short period of time, that prevents vandalism, reduces holding costs and helps them recover the loans faster.’”

“‘The bank is not in the business to hold real estate. If they find themselves with a lot of foreclosed property, auctioning them is one of the fastest and fairest ways to sell the properties,’ said company co-founder Aleda Nelson. ‘The builders may have been unable to sell the properties, make payment on the lots or obtain financing for construction.’”

“Sales of homes priced above $500,000 in Utah County plunged 71 percent in April from a year ago. No sales were recorded for homes priced above $1 million in April — the second time this year, said said Taylor Oldroyd, CEO of the Utah County Association of Realtors.”

“‘Mapleton and Alpine are some of the highest-priced areas that are seeing a lot less sales,’ Oldroyd said.”

“Median sales prices of all residential types in Utah County fell to $219,500 in April from $225,000 last year, according to the latest data from the Utah County Realtors.”

“Nelson sees more bank-owned property auctions being held in Utah in the coming months. ‘We’ve held two such auctions in Arizona in the past few months. And we’re doing the same thing in Nevada, and now Utah, although the market here isn’t as bad as in Nevada or Arizona.’”

“‘These are basically brand-new homes, the majority of which are 80 percent to 90 percent finished,’ he said.”"




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-29 05:18:57

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Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-29 15:28:01

“‘I hope all of us will be cheerleaders for our area,’ he said of the way to help the area rebound. ‘We live in a great place with great people. I think we’ll enjoy a renewness(sic) in our market.’”

Talked to yet another RE seller in Moab (SE Utah), she says absolutely nothing is selling, not even the cheaper stuff. Nothing. This is where the entire world wanted to live only a year ago.

I don’t think jumping up and down and cheerleading is gonna help much.

Comment by Incredulous
2008-05-29 15:37:42

Lost in Utah,

My little nephew’s friend ran a Disney movie called “Highschool Musical 2″ that was set in New Mexico, but actually filmed in Utah. It was a beautiful area. Do you know it? For some reason, I got the impression that would be very, very, very hot in summer, and that nobody would be dancing and singing in bliss.

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-29 15:48:14

I think it was filmed in St. George, the other side of the state. If I recall, the State Economic Development gave them a cash incentive of $500,000 to film it in Utah.

Utah’s desert areas get hot, and I think that side of the state gets hotter than where I am (think Canyonlands and Arches national parks). I took my uncle from Alaska to visit Moab one July (he was in Colo. for a short visit and wanted to see it) and we got out of the car to a record heat of 115 degrees.

But it’s a dry heat and cools down at night. Most of southern Utah is incredibly beautiful.

And the only real dancing in bliss I saw in the summer heat here was when a bunch of French tourists decided to cool off in the buff in the local car wash. Caused quite a stir. :)

Comment by Lane from s.c.
2008-05-29 16:37:31

I have been all over the US and over 25 countries, alot of it by motorcycle and I will say S.utah is one of the prettiest places on this planet, IMO.

Lane

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-05-29 16:39:34

The answer to your question the other day is banking services.

 
Comment by Bloz
2008-05-29 18:21:40

Yes, southern Utah would be a great place to settle down with my wives.

 
 
Comment by Incredulous
2008-05-29 19:57:38

Thanks.

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Comment by cactus
2008-05-29 21:09:51

Someday I need to get up that way and look for cool cactus to take pictures of. I think thats a cold desert ? Even though it gets very hot in summer it gets cold in winter so no giant cactus just some tiny ones in the sage brush.

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Comment by teufelhunden
2008-05-29 16:51:57

Yeah, the cheerleading thing isn’t going to work. In spite of all the organizational & quality problems with my last job (working for a top 20 builder) and all the bad blood between them and me, it wasn’t until I heard their solution to the housing collapse that I knew there was no way out for them. They instructed their Division Presidenta and Vice Presidents that their main job was to be cheerleaders to both customers and employees. My interpretation of that was that they had no idea what they were doing and had no strategy out of this mess.

Last I checked, the cheerleading thing wasn’t working out too good for them.

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-05-29 17:44:04

devildog, I very clearly recall your long post about that after you left. It was a very moving and telling story, really hit home how crazy things are. Must be schadenfruede for you to see them now, eh?

 
 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-29 15:36:31

“‘At the beginning it was OK, but all of a sudden, it started going up and up,’ Rosel told Obama.”

Obama thought to himself “Well, what do you think “adjustable” means, ya stupid f**k??”

Obama replied “Yes, I understand your plight. Tighter lending standards will prevent a recurrence of this situation.”

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-29 15:44:40

“And tighter lending standards will lead a to a housing price collapse,” he thought to himself, “but I should’nt actually mention that to these worthless peasants who aren’t exactly Harvard and Chicago brain material.” :-D

Comment by Neil
2008-05-29 18:36:26

ROTFLMAO

I simply don’t have what it takes to be a politician. I cannot think one think and espose the other. That bit about smiling at idiots… I still have trouble with that. Unless its to compliment them in some way thats actually putting them down. e.g., “I know you did your best job.” (When they broke it…)

My latest? “Oh… I LOVE your new home.”

But I’m not thinking its coming across as I want… (There is a reason I’m not an actor either…)

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by BottomFisher
2008-05-29 16:35:15

“‘At the beginning it was OK, but all of a sudden, it started going up and up,’ Rosel told Obama.”

Well, cut back on your medication, see it that helps.

Comment by foo
2008-05-29 22:08:24

Viagra?

 
 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-05-29 16:59:23

Translation: “Vote for me you stupid, inbred, dumba$$ motherblanker because I stand for change. By the way, those tighter standards mean a knuckle-dragging troglodyte like you would have never gotten into that house in the first place. As long as your are screwed anyway, vote for me and I will do absolutely nothing for you. But hey, McCain will also do nothing for you. Now go out and procreate more little morons so they can vote for my kids when my kids run for office after the housing collapse of 2040.”

 
 
Comment by krazy bill
2008-05-29 15:43:31

“Townsend said if homeowners facing foreclosure decide to abandon their property and don’t want to drain the pool, they should at least call the Vector Control Office to pick up free gambusia fish from the county.”

The FBs will have at least one more meal!

Comment by Neil
2008-05-29 18:37:40

Oh man, I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to think that. But aren’t these gambusia fish really tiny? What happens when they get out into the wild?

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Lip
2008-05-29 19:05:48

Not sure if its exactly the same species, but the streams in AZ have these guppy like little fish that can live in any kind of water as long as its wet. Years ago I caught a bunch, put them in a 5 gallon bucket, and they lived for over a year without any assistance. I suppose they were eating mosquitos and other insect larvae.

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-05-29 20:17:08

birds, snakes, frogs, other fish, and people eat em, I guess.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-29 21:46:45

actually they are the ones that eat the frogs (tadpoles) and other baby fish and are considered a real pest .. their export or transfer into public waterways is prohibited in some places.. like around Australia.

The mosquitofish was nominated as an environmental hazard under the NSW Threatened Species Conservation Act in 1999, making it illegal for landowners to do anything that would help spread gambusia..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito_fish

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Comment by Gadfly
2008-05-30 08:16:59

Sounds like the Good Intentions Paving Company truck is coming to a neighborhood near you . . . .

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Steadykat
2008-05-29 15:57:43

“it’s not what it once was, the market is still solid. That was the message from Joseph McPhie, general manager of Southern Utah Title, at Wednesday’s meeting of the Chamber.”

My own personal observations:
About 70% of the people living in Washington County see a problem with our housing market. However, not many of these individuals seems to see the overall effect that this “adjustment” will have on our local economy. Hardly anyone that I talk to sees anything other than “a minor correction” and many are now looking for property to “invest in”.

Last year nobody saw anything so I believe that next Summer is probably when the locals wake up to how bad this thing is going to get.

Back to Mr. McPhie:
He ought to talk to the guy in his Company that does their charts. The numbers coming out of Southern Utah Title are terrible and I’m using them to go after my local City Council’s growth “predictions” and the infrastructure that they claim will be needed because of the growth.

One example from Southern UT Title. March sales (always our best month). These numbers include FSBO:
March 2005 1240
March 2006 760
March 2007 614
March 2008 372

One of the oldest and largest builders in this Town (St George/Washington County) has let go of almost all their construction “guys” (90%+).

I’ve heard from one of the people working in their world that the word from above is that almost any incentive (price, extras) is available if the buyer can qualify. Many of their brand new properties are now priced at 30-40% off from their original listing prices of last year.

They are no longer “builders” they have become “liquidators”.

One other thing. I had to get someone over here to unplug my HomeVac system that didn’t work. I talked to the HomeVac guy last year. The price to come “all the way out to my house” was $60.00 and the wait would be about 2 weeks. I didn’t like the “I’m busy” attitude so I forgot about it.

I (well, my wife) finally decided to get it repaired this week. The price was $45.00 (same guy) and he came out the next morning, early.

 
Comment by lostcontrol
2008-05-29 16:13:15

I am tired of the business speel! What is price point? This is business trash that doesn’t answer the question of what is the price and why don’t you admit that you don’t know what will happen in the future!

“‘There’s a lot of good news, particularly if you’re a buyer right now,’ McPhie said. Foreclosures, unfortunately, ‘are something that can’t be ignored’ because they are affecting the product available as well as the price point.”

You notice, that you get no information out of this statement! I am sorry, but they have know Idea what they are talking about. Its all pap. Just make sure that you do not panic the herd!

 
Comment by sunshine
2008-05-29 16:14:13

““Sales of homes priced above $500,000 in Utah County plunged 71 percent in April from a year ago. No sales were recorded for homes priced above $1 million in April — the second time this year, said said Taylor Oldroyd, CEO of the Utah County Association of Realtors.”

“Median sales prices of all residential types in Utah County fell to $219,500 in April from $225,000 last year, according to the latest data from the Utah County Realtors.””

Pardon my simple mind, but if there were Zero $1MM+ sales and if $500,000+ sales plunged by 71%, and the median droppen by only $5,000, it tells this simple math mind that there must have either been a WHOLE LOT of sub-$500K homes, or that a very larger porportion of sales were in the $350K -400K+ range. No?

Comment by Darrell in PHX
2008-05-29 19:31:53

Or houses below $200K dropped 75%.

 
 
Comment by BottomFisher
2008-05-29 16:21:34

“Troy Corder, committee member and resident of Surprise, said his community’s greatest concern is the consensus of housing-industry experts that the foreclosure rate has only begun to climb.”

Troy, you mean anything really still surprises you in Surprise? I’m really surprised. We all new this at HBB. Get with it dude.

 
Comment by lostcontrol
2008-05-29 16:23:32

I am sorry, I am not a lawyer, Indian Chief, or a bottle washer, however I can not believe that imminent laws can not be invoked for the purpose of public health.

Heck, If you have a contagious disease, you can be locked up so as not to threaten the public health of a community or nation!

Are things getting so crazy that everyones’ life will be threatened by rotting muck in an abandoned pool causing mosquito infestation?

If we can not do anything about health problems staring us in the face, then the US is truly doomed.

Comment by climber
2008-05-29 16:37:09

Green swimming pools and mosquitoes are not that big of a health threat. People now days have a horribly underdeveloped sense of risk assessment.

They mostly worry about their “house values” anyhow. The health angle is just to cover their greed.

Comment by lostcontrol
2008-05-29 17:04:17

If its not a problem, why doesn’t the Govt tell us so. Is this another case of Terror by other means.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-29 17:19:16

I don’t think it’s the role of government to act as your personal nanny.

Is that too libertarian of me?

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Comment by are they crazy
2008-05-29 17:46:40

Not too libertarian, but it might feel different to you if you knew there were 3 or 4 of those rotting cesspools surrounding you. Huge risk - most likely not, but if you’re in an area where there are lots of houses w/pools, those pesky skeeters can be really annoying.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-05-29 17:56:41

As a city dweller, I don’t understand these things but I’m sufficiently science-oriented that I would just buy 4 large cans of “food-grade oil” and dump ‘em in each pond.

Mosquitoes can’t survive in that environment, and I don’t think my personal budget would particularly get affected by that spending splurge.

Incidentally, I do understand the role of government in public health policy. I just don’t count on ‘em (which is a sad statement on things.)

And Americans are weirdly paranoid about health. They just don’t understand or appreciate the body’s immune system. I’ll eat a handful of dirt just about anywhere and/or a glass of water from my own toilet. This isn’t kink just a rational recognition of how the immune system actually works both in theory and in practice. :-D

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2008-05-29 19:47:58

Last time I fried a turkey the four gallons of peanut oil ran me $28. But I missed Thanksgiving 2007 (was on the wrong side of the equator) so I’m not sure what it would have cost last year.

But since you’re not frying so you’re not worried about flash points or anything, Canola would probably work as well and save you $10 for four gallons.

 
Comment by spike66
2008-05-29 20:04:24

“They just don’t understand or appreciate the body’s immune system. I’ll eat a handful of dirt just about anywhere and/or a glass of water from my own toilet.”

It’s a free country so have at it if you enjoy the taste of dirt and toilet water. But, Manhattan is loaded with folks with compromised immune systems…those with HIV/Aids, cancer patients especially those undergoing chemo, folks with asthma and respiratory illnesses, just to name a few.
Public health authorities attempt to lower the risk factors for those already at risk, and for the many thousands who don’t know they face increased risks because they cannot afford health care.
In NYC the park folks routinely monitor even the dog parks for stagnant water…dogs are at high risk from West Nile.
For what it’s worth,many of the sewer pipes in Manhattan date from the late 19th century, and have plenty of lead…just something to keep in mind when you’re thirsty.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-29 20:56:12

..anyone who was at one time a baby has eaten dirt and mouthed various filth.. that stuff is chock full of pathogens of every sort.. and it’s good for you.

 
 
 
Comment by jb
2008-05-29 19:09:16

“People now days have a horribly underdeveloped sense of risk assessment.” - do you mean like the banks that lent all these folks money?

(agreed, it is not that big of a heath risk… unless it is your father/grandparent that is killed by west nile - yes, very infrequent, but pretty darn easy to control standing water in the neighbors yard???… drain the pool???)

Comment by Joshua Tree
2008-05-29 21:19:00

Draining the pool is easier said than done.

You will always be left with a residue of a few millimetres over the bottom of the pool, sufficient to breed mosquitoes even faster.

Unless this evaporates, and you don’t have weekly rain to replenish the gunge on the bottom of the pool, then you will be stuck with a stagnant green mosquito breeding ground.

You may also be stuck with a damages claim by the bank that “owns” the foreclosure, as a lot of pools will become structurally unstable if drained.

Dumping used engine oil on the surface at midnight may be the only viable option…..

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Comment by climber
2008-05-29 16:41:15

“Tighter regulation of lenders could have prevented their plight, Obama said. ‘A lot of this wouldn’t have happened if we had done a better job of regulating the banks and the mortgages. Nobody was watching them,’ he said.”

If only. The FED watched this thing and fanned the flames. OFHEO watched this thing and hardly made a peep. Congress was cheering this thing on until well past the top (like dumping $400,000,000 of downpayment assistance). President Bush was a big cheerleader and enabler too.

It’s not that this stuff wasn’t regulated, it’s not that people weren’t watching. It was just a mass delusion that was so blasted popular it was impossible to fight. Democracy means that most people get what most people deserve. Try that one Obama.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-05-29 17:05:03

And now they will fix it by making Fannie, Freddie and FHA even bigger monsters than they already are. Loosening the regulations to these monstrosities just last week really shows that these douche bags are clueless. I think Kennedy’s brain tumor has spread throughout all of congress. Wait. Nope. You have to have brains to get brain tumors. Teddy must be misdiagnosed.

 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-05-29 18:09:08

gee Bama, it was the racist RCA act that started this SHT and yes, W weakly continued it in 03 but 1998 is the big year folks

 
Comment by HARM
2008-05-29 19:07:40

‘Scuse me, but since when did “Regulation” = taxpayer subsidies + no policing of industry? Is our perception of government’s *proper* role now so warped and our expectations of it now so low that we cannot even distiniguish real, old-school regulation from corruption and industry cheerleading?

Industry bailouts (Bear-Stearns, Treasury-for-crap-swaps, Fed “liquidity injections”, MLEC, Super-SIVs, etc.) = rewarding reckless lenders, NOT regulation.

FB bailouts (”Don’t 1099 me bro!”, “Hope Now”, etc.) = rewarding speculators, NOT regulation.

GSEs = underwriting bad bank loans w/taxpayer $$, NOT regulation.

$730k FHA loan limit = subsidizing too-high prices, NOT regulation.

1031 exchange & MID for 2nd homes = encouraging speculation, NOT regulation.

When you see some ACTUAL REGULATION out there, please let me know.

Comment by vozworth
2008-05-29 20:13:12

slow down with all that capital letter stuff.

why not bring back accelerated depreciation of investment property and stimulate demand……

 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-05-29 21:42:59

Parenting: You have to tell people what they need to hear, because it is in their best interest.

Politicking: You have to tell people what they want to hear, even if it isn’t in their best interest.

 
 
Comment by JWM in SD
2008-05-29 16:41:33

“Speculators Ran Out Of Money And Time”

Hey Ben, that sounds suspiciously like my tag line from last year:
“I have money, and I have time. What do FBs have besides a stucco box and a mountain of debt?”

 
Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-05-29 16:51:55

This whole housing debacle is getting like the old tech stock market.
People are trying to be brave but it is getting worse.
Soon, renters will be interviewed for being great buisness people.

Q: Uh, how did you choose not to buy a house?
A: Uh, I couldn’t afford a subprime loan because I had too much for a down payment.

 
Comment by rocketrob
2008-05-29 17:45:03

If a house next to me was vacant, and I was getting inundated by mosquitoes- I’d get my 2″ trash pump and pump the water out. On their brown lawn, or down the sewer. Just get rid of the source.

Problem solved! It may cost $10 in gas, so what.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-05-29 17:55:20

A couple quarts of motor oil would do the trick a lot faster.

Comment by rocketrob
2008-05-29 18:52:21

Just messy.
When empty, it can be used as a skateboard arena for the whole neighborhood! And the house can be used like a tree house.

Thank god my next door neighbor only collects rusty car relics ( 6 so far) in his back yard.

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-05-29 20:09:21

got a pingback froma frined in Houston….home of the poolside bbq.

cousing hillbilly says we are due for a pademic….not pandemic… a pademic..

been much too long…….something gets out of the bottle..

go long big pharma.

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-05-29 20:10:48

he says, fully in his cups…

jeez, it was cousin hillbilly. adn other assorted failures.

 
Comment by aqius
2008-05-29 21:55:07

sure. just loosen the caps to a few plastic quarts of motor oil & heave em like grenades into the pool. oil floats up to the surface. no need to tresspass onto the actual property, or very far, hopefully.
lessens the chance of nosey, bitter, vindictive neighbors from reporting you to the HOA or city code enforcement.

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-05-29 19:24:33

$10 if you get lucky.. costs a lot more if the empty pool cracks or pops out of the ground.. best get some advice before completely draining a pool.

 
 
Comment by AZ_Scorched
2008-05-29 19:04:12

This news of the further collaspe of the housing market in utah and arizona couldn’t have made me any happier today! I just wish that this runaway train would speed up a little faster…..

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-05-29 20:05:07

Im just gonna tell you why Jas is wrong.

The deflation scenario that has played out in housing is the same scenario about to play out in the inflation scenario in food and metal.

Same story, different end of the spectrum. Read the Plaza Accord on google.

International equities markets will remain relatively unchanged, but the paper money, energy, metal, and food will settle into complacency.

the value of a single sovereign currency relative to currencies in unadaptable commodity markets will suffer. and its debt will subrogate.

Comment by vozworth
2008-05-29 20:52:02

Jas Jain writes:

Tanta: “I argued some time ago that the whole point of stated income lending was to make the borrower the fall guy: the lender can make a dumb loan–knowing perfectly well that it is doing so–while shifting responsibility onto the borrower, who is the one “stating” the income and–in theory, at least–therefore liable for the misrepresentation.”

Bingo: And the reason this was carried to such an extreme was the debt slave act of 2005 in conjunction with absurd interest rate policy at the Fed, the Fed’s direct sponsorship of ARMs and derivatives, and the “Ownership Society” of the Bush administration. All of which are also blowing sky high right now.

bingo is mish…

what part are they missing? games change.

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-05-29 20:54:01

this is a callback thread ben.

book it down HARD, with popcorn.

 
 
Comment by vozworth
2008-05-29 20:23:45

Interest rates globally are moving higher over the next 2.5 years..

its a really tough mountain to climb….stay nimble. bond rally is over for a long time. enjoy the show.

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2008-05-29 21:33:49

Voz, I’ve been thinking there would be a bond rally in Europe once their $h!t begins to hit the fan. Or do you think their central banks won’t lower rates the same as the US? Thus, I’ve been considering an international bond fund for storing my down payment.

 
 
Comment by vozworth
2008-05-29 20:27:46

Im just an idiot that makes shit up.

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-05-29 20:35:12

3 down waves, time ‘em if you dare.

or 3 up….your guess is as good as mine.

Comment by cactus
2008-05-29 21:24:05

” Interest rates globally are moving higher over the next 2.5 years.. ”

yea I hope so I don’t like getting 2% on my savings

 
 
Comment by Happy Renter in Vancouver
2008-05-29 21:06:37

“During the North Las Vegas town hall meeting, Francisco Lomeli told Obama that tighter lending standards in the wake of the foreclosure crisis, with student loan debt, were preventing him from buying a home.”

“Lomeli and his wife decided to put off buying a house until she finished nursing school, he said.”

“‘It seemed back then that the house dream was there. Make it through college, we can make it happen,’ he said.
———————————————

What is wrong with this generation of Americans?… “We’ve graduated from college, now where’s my House, dude?”

Where’s the concept of saving up for a downpayment? I’ve never seen such a sense of entitlement… time for re-adjustment in expectations…

Comment by BW
2008-05-30 02:32:18

Well the wife wasnt even done with nursing school, so I guess they expected a home even earlier

 
 
Comment by Va Beyatch
2008-05-29 21:37:17

I totally want a pool. And I totally want the previous buyer to eat the loss on it.

 
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