June 4, 2008

Many People Disregarded The Red Flags In California

The LA Times reports from California. “Buyers last week of a Spanish-style, 3,220-square-foot house on a cul-de-sac here got a bargain: $1 million for a hilltop home in Northern California’s wine country, with views to San Francisco in the distance. Two years ago, the same property sold for $1.4 million. But after the lender foreclosed on the property, the home was deeply discounted.”

“Real estate agent Michael Snider, who handled the sale, thinks more such sales are on the way. ‘It’s just beginning,’ Snider said.”

“Napa County saw 112 homes repossessed in the first quarter, up from 23 a year earlier, according to DataQuick. Most of those foreclosures have been in lower-priced areas, where new-home construction and sub-prime lending were widespread during the housing boom. But the top end is now starting to tumble.”

“The house Snider just sold is next to two other distressed properties. One property for sale a few doors down was abandoned by its developer before construction was complete.”

“Elsewhere in Napa, a 5,676-square-foot Mediterranean villa on a 35-acre lot was recently foreclosed on. It’s now on the market for $5.255 million.”

“Snider said he saw some of his well-to-do clients running out of time. ‘They’re just pushing aside their mortgage payments, holding default off,’ he said, even using credit cards to make mortgage payments.”

The Sacramento Bee. “Pressured by a faltering economy and often burdened by loans they took out during the housing boom, more Sacramento-area homeowners are looking to reverse mortgages for an escape route. But many are finding the road blocked by the falling values of their homes.”

“‘A lot of them aren’t qualifying now. With the falling values they don’t have as much equity,’ said Sylvia Williams, a Elk Grove loan specialist.”

“Loan officials say that reverse mortgages, which were developed and marketed 20 years ago as a tool to fund vacations or expensive leisure activities, are increasingly serving something more simple - basic living expenses.”

“‘We see more and more need lately,’ said Rich Young, executive VP at Sacramento-based California Reverse Mortgage Co.”

“Young said many older homeowners refinanced during the boom years, but often chose risky loans with lower payment plans that increased dramatically over time. Faced now with higher monthly payments, he said, many older homeowners are seeking a way to pay off their old loan.”

“Greg Hayes,VP for marketing with Sacramento-based Liberty Reverse Mortgage, one of the nation’s biggest reverse mortgage lenders, said those borrowers now dominate.”

“‘The No. 1 thing people are doing with reverses is paying off existing mortgage debt,’ he said.”

“For the housing market - and for many seeking reverse mortgages - the declines are another example of limited loan options at the moment when many people most need them.”

“‘We just didn’t have enough equity in the house,” said Leroy Martin, 83, of Stockton, who was turned down for a reverse mortgage earlier this year.”

“Martin, and his wife hoped to escape a risky loan they used to refinance their home. Their monthly payment was within months of doubling. Though Williams, the Elk Grove loan specialist, couldn’t get them a reverse mortgage, she finally helped save the couple from foreclosure by persuading their lender to modify the loan for five years.”

“‘We just bought them time,’ Williams said.”

The LA Daily News. “Foreclosures hit a record pace in April across the San Fernando Valley, soaring 201 percent from a year earlier and pounding down home prices. During April, 608 families lost a home to foreclosure, up from 202 a year earlier and 511 in March, according to the San Fernando Valley Economic Research Center.”

“Foreclosures are now on pace to break the quarterly record of 1,854 set in the third quarter of 1996 - the most recent time the housing market was in a slump, said Daniel Blake, director of the center at California State University, Northridge.”

“‘The signs are, it’s going to go up,’ Blake said of the foreclosure total. ‘We’re pushing on that record number.’”

“The glut of homes on the market pushed the price of a median single-family home down to $505,000, a loss of 21 percent, or $125,000, from the year-earlier price, the report said.”

“With notices of default - the first step in the foreclosure process - increasing from 663 in April 2007 to 1,560 a year later, there’s no indication the housing slump will end anytime soon, the center said.”

“‘There is no indication we’re through the worst of it, especially with (default notices) rising,’ said Andrew LaPage, an analyst at DataQuick.”

“During April, 964 new and previously owned houses and condos were sold, down 29 percent from a year earlier. It’s the lowest sales total for an April since DataQuick began tracking the market in 1988, Blake said.”

From Desert Television. “A buyer’s market has builders offering free incentives and special deals while many homeowners hold off on making a sale and hold on to their most valuable asset.”

“‘It’s terrible,’ said longtime Palm Springs resident Doreen Prudeaux who has had her house on the market for over a year. ‘You just have to look beyond the money.’”

The Daily Bulletin. “PFF Bancorp, the financial parent of PFF Bank & Trust, said in a statement Monday that it’s looking for cash to ’strengthen the company’s capital levels.’ The Rancho Cucamonga-based financial institution has been getting hammered with losses because it loaned money to housing developers who can’t repay what they borrowed.”

“‘The odds are probably good that they could raise capital by that date, but there’s never-ending uncertainty,’ said Joseph Gladue, a banking analyst with Los Angeles-based B. Riley & Company, Inc. ‘Somebody who was going to provide capital could change their mind. There’s always that possibility.’”

The North County Times. “It just became slightly more difficult for home buyers to find the perfect house because of technological glitches and a learning curve associated with a new listing service system, real estate agents said this week. The listing service, known as Sandicor, launched an update that agents said is plagued with bugs and takes time to learn.”

“‘The productivity drain is immense,’ said Dennis Smith, a real estate agent in Carlsbad. ‘It’s costing the Realtors and the real estate operations a lot of time and money to transfer over. That’s not going to translate into costs for the consumer, though. We can’t add a time surcharge like the airlines do, so we’re going to have to eat it.’”

“‘Guys like Ray Ewing at Sandicor don’t give a hoot about what is wanted and needed by the agents,’ said Jim Klinge, a real estate agent in Carlsbad. ‘I love change when the change is positive. The only positive that’ll come out of this boondoggle is that it’ll drive out a lot of Realtors who are just hanging on.’”

The Ventura County Star. “Almost two years after giving an affordable housing developer $400,000, the city of Santa Paula wants it back. ‘I see it as a loss of interest,’ said Councilmen Ray Luna. ‘The project did not get built…the money should be returned and Cabrillo should reapply.’”

The Modesto Bee. “Amid a tottering economy, rising inflation, increasing unemployment and a housing market meltdown, waiters, beauticians and pet groomers report that customers are growing tightfisted.”

“It is hard to determine just how much people are cutting back on tipping, but the stakes are huge.”

“Groomers at Sparky’s Pet Salon in Los Angeles also are seeing tips fall. Last year, about half of the people who brought their dogs to Sparky’s gave the groomers tips. But as gas and food prices have surged over the past six months, that’s dropped to about 30 percent, said Luigi Pruve, a groomer and manager at Sparky’s.”

“‘People who used to give us $10 give us $5. People who used to give us $5 give us just $2 or $3 or maybe nothing. We don’t ask why,’ Pruve said. ‘There’s not much we can do.’”

From Pacific Coast Business. “While this spring’s federal economic stimulus package is expected to help the tri-county economy, more needs to be done ‘to stop the bleeding’ caused by the mortgage crisis, said Rep. Lois Capps, D-Santa Barbara.”

“‘We have to get the families back on track,’ Capps said in defense of HR3915. ‘Some are just walking away from their homes in Santa Maria because they can’t pay the mortgage.’”

“While Capps sees foreclosure relief as key to prevent the already troubled economy from worsening, she said, ’some accountability is needed. If the [mortgage] industry isn’t going to control itself, then maybe we should … maybe with the [real estate] associations, too.’”

“‘We’ve had seven years with no oversight in the financial world,’ Capps said. ‘We heard that some [lenders] forgot how to do loan documents.’”

The Final Call. “More than 100 people filled the Inglewood High School auditorium in mid-May, hoping to leave Congresswoman Maxine Waters’ mortgage foreclosure town hall meeting with real plans to help them save their homes, or at least, with a better understanding of the foreclosure crisis.”

“‘A lot of people are suffering alone, not telling anybody what’s happening, and they’re just walking away from their homes. We’re trying to get them not to do that and to call us because when the community starts to recognize that there’s a scheme going on, mortgage brokers in the neighborhood trying to get people to refinance and sign, the whole community can come together behind that and put some of these people in jail,’ Rep. Waters told the Final Call.”

“In her 35th Congressional District, which includes South Los Angeles and Inglewood, there are 640 properties in pre-foreclosure, 301 in the auction process and 581 properties that are owned by the bank. In Inglewood alone there are 335 properties in some stage of the foreclosure process and worth over $95 million, Rep. Waters said.”

“‘These bills are forcing the Congress to have to deal with this problem … we’re trying to teach them that many people who got into these loans didn’t simply make bad decisions. They were tricked into these loans!’ the outspoken congresswoman declared.”

“‘Probably the most striking aspect of this in California is that a similar cycle occurred a little over a decade ago, and although certainly some people saw the signs of this one coming, many people disregarded the red flags in favor of believing that the housing prices would continue to rise in perpetuity even though those housing prices were becoming (too high) for most people,’ said Daren Blomquist, RealtyTrac Marketing communications manager.”

From The Hill. “Rep. Laura Richardson could face fines for leaving a heavily indebted mortgage off her financial disclosure statement, according to campaign finance experts.”

“A review of Richardson’s 2007 financial disclosure shows that she failed to report her Sacramento home mortgage as a liability even though she owed $40,000 more than she paid for the home, which was purchased in January of that year.”

“By the end of 2007, Richardson had accumulated $575,000 in total debt after failing to make payments on her original $535,000 mortgage, according to Sacramento County records.”

“‘On a plain reading of the law, it’s not clear why this mortgage would not be included on her financial disclosure statement, given the situation,’ said Meredith McGehee, the Campaign Legal Center’s policy director.”

“Lawrence Noble, former general counsel for the Federal Election Commission and a campaign finance, ethics and lobbying expert, agreed.”

“‘That is what the rule says,’ Noble said. ‘The reality is that at the end of the year, if she was indebted for more than what she paid for the house, then she was required to report it.’”

“The home went into foreclosure and was sold at auction last month. Richardson is disputing the sale.”

“Her office did not return repeated calls seeking comment for this story. It also has not responded to questions about how Richardson was able to loan her congressional campaign $77,500 while continuing to default on several properties.”

“Additional reports indicated Richardson has a long history of mortgage defaults that also covers homes in San Pedro and Long Beach. Richardson’s own financial statement, however, showed no indication that anything was amiss.”

“Under Schedule III of her 2007 Financial Disclosure Statement, filed on Feb. 22 of this year, the freshman lawmaker listed her liabilities as simply ‘N/A.’”

“Yet throughout 2007, as her Sacramento home was going from newly purchased to foreclosed on, Richardson also defaulted on her Long Beach home a third and again a fourth time, when she fell $15,101 behind on her payments.”

“In September of that year, Richardson also let her San Pedro home slip into default when she fell $12,410 behind on her payments.”

“In January 2008 Richardson defaulted on the San Pedro home a second time, and in April - with Richardson owing $367,436 on an original loan of $359,000 - Wells Fargo Bank issued a notice of trustee sale of the home. Records indicate that the home is still scheduled to be sold at a July 14 auction.”

“Richardson was able to rescind both of the default notices on her Long Beach home after catching up on her payments, which she did first in March and then again in October 2007.”

“Richardson’s fourth default notice, for $15,101, on her Long Beach home came in October 2007 - the same month she again caught up on her payments as well as repaid herself $8,000 from her campaign, her FEC records show.”

“Noble said that the entities that monitor financial disclosure statements - the House ethics committee and the Department of Justice - will likely issue a warning to Richardson to amend her reports.”

“‘In terms of what they would ultimately do about it, I think the question would be: Was this an attempt to cover up anything, or was it a mistake?’ Noble said.”

“‘Obviously this raises questions about disclosure and more information, I think, is needed to ensure that she has, indeed, abided by the statutory requirements,’ McGehee said. ‘The purpose of the financial disclosure is, first and foremost, to reveal conflicts of interest or potential conflicts of interest … and to ensure that if questions come up about positions, votes, other actions they take as a federal official, that there is transparency.’”

“Although Richardson missed the vote on the housing bill that passed the House in early May, she has said she only did so in the wake of her father’s sudden death.”

“Richardson last fall voted to help pass the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act, which prevents the federal government from charging income tax on debt forgiven as a consequence of foreclosure.”

“Richardson told the Long Beach Report on May 24 that she thinks people ‘expect me to take what I’ve learned, what I see, not only for myself but what I see that they’re doing, and figure out how to fix it, and that’s what I intend upon doing.’”

“Over the weekend, two of Richardson’s opponents seized on the issue. Peter Mathews accused her of ‘a pattern of financial irresponsibility’ and wondered ‘how she can be responsible for a federal budget when she can’t balance [her] own budget,’ while Lee Davis said she was a ‘national embarrassment’ who has lost credibility.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-04 16:42:58

Sorry this is so late. A little snafu with the Wordpress clock.

Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-06-04 17:31:54

Its the perfect time for the west coast.

Comment by BottomFisher
2008-06-04 21:16:47

No…now is better
The Ventura County Star. “Almost two years after giving an affordable housing developer $400,000, the city of Santa Paula wants it back. ‘I see it as a loss of interest,’ said Councilmen Ray Luna. ‘The project did not get built…the money should be returned and Cabrillo should reapply.’”

I just saw some Cabrillo folks when I was surfing in Baha…he said to tell the city…. I have to translate…something like ” I got your f%$#ing money right here gringo”….pointing to one of his body parts..”come and get it”….what’s that all about?

 
 
 
Comment by sf jack
2008-06-04 16:47:00

“Real estate agent Michael Snider, who handled the sale, thinks more such sales are on the way. ‘It’s just beginning,’ Snider said.”

*****

Did ya hear that… Alt-A Bay Area?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-04 17:10:33

Oh, they are so screwed.

Memories are short. Plus, this cycle really started in 1981.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-06-04 18:34:45

Go back a few years earlier.

More like late 70s.

 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-04 17:55:58

No, they didn’t hear it.

The other day on NPR, they were doing a show about the difference between feeling that one is right (I call that faith) and thinking that one is right (I call that reason). In my opinion, most people are operating on the former most of the time. Only a few people (often trained in science or philosophy or hard knocks) spend most of their time operating on the latter. Here in the Alt-A Bay, we have managed to amass an unnaturally large number of former-minded people. It’s really quite unhealthy, and I don’t know how it happened.

Unfortunately for the Alt-A faithful, reality has a really nasty way of crushing delusional optimism. Only a few, however, will ever be converted to the reasoning clan. Most will just end up bitter and disillusioned.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-04 18:22:26

Once the local economy will shield them in their delusion. However, once the tech sector crashes then they will really be reeling. I think this happened once before about a decade ago.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-04 18:24:09

*once the local economy tanks it will no longer shield them in their delusion.

sheesh…long day

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Comment by Michael Emmel
2008-06-04 18:46:54

Well given that revenue streams for a lot of tech companies are based on advertising ( Google ). Tech is tightly coupled to the real economy now and is not creating its own growth like it did in the 1990’s. Technology is not propelling the economy forward but is now a integrated part. So as other business sectors drop tech will drop. Their is now no difference economically between a high tech Silly Valley company and a car plant in Ohio.

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Comment by Skroodle
2008-06-04 21:10:12

Malcolm Gladwell’s book Blink is great book that explores “feeling your right” and reason. He has several examples that show you can be trust your feelings and not listen to reason.

Comment by HARM
2008-06-05 00:50:56

Yes, but history (and present-day U.S.) is also full of examples where “going with your gut” was a bad idea.

http://www.esquire.com/features/ESQ0207GREETINGS

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Comment by Thomas
2008-06-05 15:40:00

The problem is that advanced society generates so much information that expecting a person of even above-average intelligence to be able to sift through and process it all is becoming unrealistic. It gets worse when a question is at all controversial. More often than not, you’ll find a well-researched and argued position (or what looks like one to the average reader) on both sides of any question.

We’ve responded to this problem by shunting people off into specialties, where they can at least have some hope of keeping up with the avalanche of new information in just one field. Of course, that raises the risk that they’ll be completely ignorant everywhere else.

Ideally, a person ought to be able to spend a reasonable amount of time studying the facts and make a decision in the light of cool reason. Unfortunately, people can almost never get rid of the biases their “guts” bring to the table, which can easily result in a marginally-weaker argument coming across to the person evaluating it as overwhelmingly convincing. I guarantee that the engineers who lend their Ph.D’s to creationist idiocy (what *is* it about engineers?) would never find creationism convincing were it not for their fundamentalist Protestant biases; likewise, the handful of scientists among the “9/11 Truthers” (Dr. Jones, call your office) would probably not grasp at the straws they do if they weren’t already primed to view Republican administrations as being anxious to deal in James Bond-villain style awfulness.

I like to think my reason-to-gut ratio is higher than average, but who knows? Sometimes I wonder whether a person who just goes with what his “gut” tells him is no different from me, except in being a little more honest about the ultimate basis for his opinion.

 
 
 
Comment by Dr.Strangelove
2008-06-05 06:33:15

“Unfortunately for the Alt-A faithful, reality has a really nasty way of crushing delusional optimism. Only a few, however, will ever be converted to the reasoning clan. Most will just end up bitter and disillusioned.”

It’s ok. They all read the book “The Secret” and just know fortune’s just around the corner waiting for them.

Sarcasm off.

DOC

 
 
Comment by Red Baron
2008-06-04 19:28:53

“Snider said he saw some of his well-to-do clients running out of time. ‘They’re just pushing aside their mortgage payments, holding default off,’ he said, even using credit cards to make mortgage payments.”

Reality has hit even in Marin county, where many a Realtor (TM) told me months ago that “nothing ever goes down.” When the option ARM resets start to ramp up in 2010, there are going to be a lot of Marinites using credit cards to pay their mortgages.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

 
 
Comment by vmaxer
2008-06-04 16:47:18

In case it hasn’t been posted Ed McMahon facing foreclosure.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2008-06-04-mcmahon-foreclosure_N.htm?csp=34

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-04 17:12:53

It has.

And I repeat: Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere’s Foreclosure!

OlyGal, where are you? This is no fun without you.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-04 19:40:04

Yeah, where is Oly anyway? We’ve had an Oly humor shortage around here.

 
Comment by Timmy Boy
2008-06-05 01:04:14

.
You would think that JOHNNY’S widow would kick in a mere $6,500,000 to help out Johnny’s old buddy.

Hahahahahahaha…… that was funny.

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-06-04 18:33:28

The guy can’t work and that’s why he can’t pay the bills?

I understand a big house like that could absorb some money, but this guy puts all his eggs in one basket? Are there no stocks / bonds .. or investements of any sort that he can sell or borrow off of?

something does not add up.. sounds to me like a simple case of jingle mail from just another common, albeit celebrity, walk-away.

Comment by Icouldbewrong40
2008-06-04 19:49:22

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrres Foreclosure!

 
Comment by DebtInNation
2008-06-04 21:19:12

Can’t he show up on his own doorstep with a giant check from Publisher’s Clearinghouse?

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-06-05 01:02:14

He later also became well-known as the presenter of American Family Publishing sweepstakes (not to be confused with Publishers Clearing House) who arrives unannounced…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_McMahon

hmm.. he was a carnie for a while.. trained as a Marine fighter pilot.. made it to Brigadier General in the California Air National Guard.

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Comment by VaBeyatch
2008-06-04 20:15:11

Housing Repo Man, COME ON DOWWWWN!

 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-06-04 16:52:15

Real estate is like totally grody to the max, so very gnarly…

“Foreclosures hit a record pace in April across the San Fernando Valley, soaring 201 percent from a year earlier and pounding down home prices. During April, 608 families lost a home to foreclosure, up from 202 a year earlier and 511 in March, according to the San Fernando Valley Economic Research Center.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2008-06-04 16:53:41

“Snider said he saw some of his well-to-do clients running out of time. ‘They’re just pushing aside their mortgage payments, holding default off,’ he said, even using credit cards to make mortgage payments.”

They aren’t well-to-do and never were, those days are long gone. They are/were wannabes. This plastic society is melting fast, and I for one couldn’t be happier! Now all you wannabes get on your cell phone and try and look important or at least think… That’s what everyone else is thinking.

Comment by Big V
2008-06-04 18:00:58

Yeah, I mean, how does Snider define “well to do”? In my book, it means you have enough money/assets that you can afford to quit your job tomorrow if you got fed up enough. It also means that you can afford to make your mortgage payment and that you don’t have put everything on the card just to get by.

Comment by svguy
2008-06-05 04:21:20

Or you have no mortgage payment at all!

Mike

 
 
 
Comment by FP
2008-06-04 16:54:00

““‘We just didn’t have enough equity in the house,” said Leroy Martin, 83, of Stockton, who was turned down for a reverse mortgage earlier this year.”

“Martin, and his wife hoped to escape a risky loan they used to refinance their home. Their monthly payment was within months of doubling. Though Williams, the Elk Grove loan specialist, couldn’t get them a reverse mortgage, she finally helped save the couple from foreclosure by persuading their lender to modify the loan for five years.”

“‘We just bought them time,’ Williams said.”

At 83 years old, they don’t have much time left.

Comment by vmaxer
2008-06-04 17:00:17

It still amazes me when we see people in their 60’s, 70’s and 80’s with big mortgages. Theirs a huge number of these people who just spent their whole life spending more than they made. They probably thought they could keep it rolling until they kicked the bucket. Looks like they miscalculated and lived too long.

Comment by OCDan
2008-06-04 17:28:36

Hate to say it, but I have a solution.

GET. A. JOB!

With the way things are oging and inflation raging for what is needed, I fully believe that I will work until I am put in the ground or used for a giant pyre.

I would have suggested live within your means to these people, but if they are already out of cash, that is useless.

OTH, we should have compassion. Why, you ask? How many people could even get 1K if needed without borrowing from someone, stealing it, lying, or using plastic fantastic (and no, not their ATM card, the CC)? You see, this will become an epidemic very soon.

We have all stated it before, the country is flat done broke.

Got cash? (These people don’t)

Comment by aNYCdj
2008-06-04 17:49:14

OCDan:

42 resumes sent last week all with return receipts, form CL NYtimes, NY Law Journal, Yahoo, AOL… amount answered ZERO

This is not your usual Depression!

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Hate to say it, but I have a solution.

GET. A. JOB!

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Comment by Big V
2008-06-04 18:07:30

And on top of that, companies are starting to get mean toward their employees. They know there are no jobs out there, and are fully willing (eager) to take advantage. I am afraid our standard of living in the US will shortly meet up with that of the Chinese.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2008-06-04 18:54:05

NYCdj, resumes that I mailed in response to job postings got me a job JUST ONCE in my 30+ year career. Most times there were no responses. And the economy certainly wasn’t bad during my entire career.

With every other job change it was my network that opened doors or, in a few cases, sought me out.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-04 19:44:06

I haven’t had to go job-hunting for many years, and for that I’m quite grateful.

But, in the last year, I’ve had to hustle work like I never had before. In fact, I’ve turned into quite the cold-caller. As much as people rip on it as a business-getting technique, it has worked quite well.

I’m also trying the network thing, but without going to all of those bloody mixers. I hate those. Instead, I’ve been asking my longtime clients for leads to others who might need my services. Lo and behold, one of last week’s leads looks like it might pay off.

 
Comment by Mormon_Tea
2008-06-04 19:45:44

“42 resumes sent last week all with return receipts, form CL NYtimes, NY Law Journal, Yahoo, AOL… amount answered ZERO

This is not your usual Depression”

You are absolutely correct.

Let’s look at a possible modern day equivalent of the CCC and WPA under FDR - the Soldier of Recently Evaporated Fortune. (SERF)
The gubmint can recruit a whole army of SERFs for Price Keeping Operations in every state in the Union. they could go out on patrol and the first “FOR SALE” sign they see, go in like commandos and
fill the sellers pockets with GUBMINT ISSUED CASH.
“What did you do in the Housing War, Daddy?”
“Well, I don’t want to brag, but back in ‘09 I singlehandedly brought a whole block in Stockton back into the 2 hundreds…”
Price Keeping Operations for SERFs, now that’s the ticket…

 
 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-04 17:31:44

This is just totally mindboggling. Why do they have a mortgage?

Comment by OCDan
2008-06-04 17:36:45

Because they have NO CASH!

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-04 17:49:28

You haven’t answered anything. All you’ve done is rephrase the question.

In that case, why do they, at that age, have no CASH?

 
Comment by OhMyHowFun
2008-06-04 17:55:03

Because they spent it all on huge mortgage payments!

What do I win?

 
Comment by OCDan
2008-06-04 17:56:16

Technically speaking, they spent it all.

I hate to be the court jester, but I too find this mindboggling. Unless they had a million dollar surgery, they have gone and spent it all. Hope the memories of all the vacations and over-priced college tuition are good.

Not like 299,999,001 other Americans are any better.

NYCdj, I hear your pain. I realize that this is going to be one ball-busting recession, if not, flat out depression, when all is said and done.

However, what I was trying to insinuate is…be the Wal-Mart greeter. Come on, there has to be something someone can do, if they have no cash. Get creative. Go back and live with the kids. Oops, they are probably flat out broke too.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-06-04 18:07:54

Yeah my moms basement is looking like a relief…..but with a GF and 3 cats my mom would not be thrilled. The problem i am running into is have very little excess junk to sell. Not that i was a pack rat or spent wildly, But the dj stuff 2000 cd’s 3000 records are all needed to make money. ( sorry i am an audio buff and don’t own an ipod) 3 computers same deal.

I really miss the old days of 1999 when people were educated and professional and would talk to you about their company, and job prospects, and at least you had some feedback.

And then look at this ad…..seriously this lawyer should be hit upside his head…..Intern for how long?

Part-time Unpaid Legal Assistant Internship at an Immigration Law Firm

A small immigration law firm located in Wall Street area is looking for an entry level Legal Assistant Intern with exceptional attention to detail. If the new intern is a right fit, this can be become a paid part or full time position. Training will be provided.

Fluency in a foreign language is a must.

Responsibilities include initial client intake, client interviewing, data entry, answering telephones, drafting correspondence, etc. The ideal candidate will be able to: follow instructions, interact with clients on the telephone and in person, write well, use Microsoft Word and Excel and type quickly.

The candidate must be a self-starter with unparalleled attention to detail. No experience is necessary but an interest in immigration law is preferred. Position will begin in July with a commitment until mid-December required.

Please send your cover letter as the body of your email and your resume as an attachment. The cover letter should not exceed 200 words and consist of three paragraphs. Put the word “Giraffe” and the language you are fluent in into the subject line of your reply email. Why all this? We want to hire thorough people with exceptional attention to detail and this will indicate that you’ve read the ad.

# Compensation: Unpaid Internship with possibility of stipend for travel expenses

 
 
 
Comment by mrincomestream
2008-06-04 19:24:00

very very common in L.A. there are tons of folks living on the edge like that…

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2008-06-04 16:59:56

From the lips of Congresswoman Maxine Waters: ” …many people who got into these loans didn’t simply make bad decisions. They were tricked into these loans!”

Nothing is ever the fault of the constituants of Maxine Waters. Some years ago she blamed the CIA for creating the crack epidemic that plauges South Central L.A.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-04 17:13:07

I had forgotten about the crack thing.

 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-06-04 17:14:13

“Nothing is ever the fault of the constituants of Maxine Waters. Some years ago she blamed the CIA for creating the crack epidemic that plauges South Central L.A.”

I watched a compelling documentary a few months ago that substantiated this claim, and one of the people interviewed was a undercover LAPD drug ops officer (with around 30 years on the job) and his evidence (along with many others) seemed quite damning…

I forget the name of the movie, sorry.

Comment by James
2008-06-04 17:24:38

That was a movie. There was some link between us and the Narco’s… Iran/Contra affair when we were helping Bin Laden.

Its a pretty big reach though.

Those asshats decided to do drugs all on their own.

 
Comment by Mole Man
2008-06-04 18:07:26

There was also a major expose by the San Jose Mercury News which remains highly contraversial to this day.

Comment by James
2008-06-04 22:18:16

Controversial yes.

Accurate no.

I’m sure some guys crossed the line and we dealt with shady operators. CIA was in the smuggling business and arms business. It comes with the territory.

The job was to deal with the big problem in USSR. Other casualties were unavoidable.

Again her constituents are grown adults and new the choices they faced. Plenty of people escaped the South Central situation by hard work and making good choices.

Finally some of the stuff talked about in covert ops. A lot of it happens outside of the US. The nsa/cia and other agencies are not law enforcement abroad. They have their missions and should stick to them.

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Comment by jerry from richardson
2008-06-04 20:50:23

You guys all got fooled. The whole CIA-drug smuggling thing was a huge misunderstanding. The CIA used to hire private companies to transport their personnel and equipment. Some of these same companies would also hire their planes out to the Columbian cartels. In some other cases, the CIA would open a dummy airline company to transport their people. They would then sell these airlines after their cover was blown. Some of the people who bought these airline companies also happened to be drug smugglers. People found out that the same planes that were used to transport CIA agents were also transporting drugs. In other cases there were rogue CIA agents or ex-agents gone bad who worked in South America. They ended up working for the cartels or smuggling drugs themselves. That’s where the whole link came from. The CIA as an agency did not smuggle drugs. They have a black budget that supplies them with all of the money necessary for ops.

Comment by Thomas
2008-06-05 16:23:42

Some more confusion comes up because of the popular use of the term “CIA agent.”

A “CIA agent” is not an actual member of the CIA. The actual members of the CIA — the civil-service guys actually employed by the U.S. government — are referred to as CIA “officers.” “Agents” are the people “officers” recruit to give information. And yeah, those guys can have shady backgrounds, just like police informants usually do; otherwise, they often wouldn’t have access to the information the CIA is trying to get.

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Comment by peter m
2008-06-04 22:39:24

“Nothing is ever the fault of the constituants of Maxine Waters. Some years ago she blamed the CIA for creating the crack epidemic that plauges South Central L.A.”

Bullcrap!! I know SCentral LA and SW LA county as well as she does and those local folks were making a pile of dough selling drugs on the streets. It was and is part of the LA underground ghetto culture to deal in drugs. There was a big epidemic in cocaine dealing back in 80’s and 90’s and qiute a few hispanic immgrants were dealing in the white stuff as runners. There was a whole subculture in S LA involving parties involving even middle class whites in suburban tract homes as well as the the ghetto subculture. WHy? becuase it was attractive to wild & sexy party girls and having the white stuff was the big party drug of the 80’s.

This was supplied by mostly hispanic drug cartels funneling the crap into the US thru connections from Columbia into US either via cargo ships, desert mules or planes. This crap was big business all around and had nothing to do with the CIA . The supply chain was entirely duo to demand in US as cocaine was the drug of choice among virtualy every economic stratum,including hollywood celebritys and the jet set crowd.

I don’t know about the cia- crack connection but i sure as hell know that the cocaine business was the work of the columbian/ mexico narco trafficers , which has not abated a bit tho the drug of choice seems to have shifted to crack , weed or ectasey.

 
 
Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-06-04 17:18:28

Oh, she’s a doozie alright.

 
Comment by James
2008-06-04 17:22:32

The crack thing isn’t totally unreasonable.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-04 17:35:09

I’m not saying otherwise, but it begs the question; there were some bad apples in the mortgage biz. So are her constituents ‘victims’?

Anyway, people shouldn’t do crack cuz it can screw up their lives. If a guy comes to the door and says, ‘I’m from the CIA, want some crack’? That doesn’t make it a good decision.

Comment by holytrainwreck
2008-06-04 17:52:30

Exactly. Supply of crack and demand of crack. If someone demands crack, someone will step in to supply it. If nobody wants any, nobody will supply it…

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Comment by Big V
2008-06-04 18:10:11

Right. Responsibility must be taken by all in proportion to his/her contribution to the situation.

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Comment by reuven
2008-06-04 19:40:49

Let’s assume Maxine’s constituents were victims. So what?

Other victims of swindlers with get-rich-quick schemes don’t get bailed out. We don’t bail out victims of Nigerian scams. We don’t bail out people who bought worthless “rare” coins on eBay. We don’t bail out people who put all their money on a penny stock they see touted in an email.

Why are greedy get-rich-quickers any different? Nobody’s saying that the mortgage brokers weren’t sleazy. But nobody’s hands in these real-estate transactions are completely clean.

That reminds me: I haven’t seen any of the bailout proposals, including the “Deadbeat Specuvestors Tax Forgiveness Act of 2007″ that’s already law, EXCLUDE people who are licensed Real Estate Agents and Mortgage Brokers. Certainly these licensed professionals can be expected to know better, and aren’t worthy of bailout. Every housewife in California is a real estate agent. This would eliminate a whole slew of people.

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Comment by rick
2008-06-04 20:45:40

Well, maybe the question being asked was “do you want some white sugar?”

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Comment by James
2008-06-04 22:30:18

Sure there are victims out there.

Another part of the abusive lending is that so many get damaged by this. Its not just the idiot that can’t pay back the loan and loses excessive collateral.

Some of us got drawn into the frenzy and didn’t question market fundamentals. Lots of guys I know bought property because they didn’t think prices would drop.

I remembered the last two bubbles (80s and particularly the 90s) very well. A good number of coworkers that are smart guys but a few years younger… oh they were too young to follow what happened.

Thanks to you and a few of the other blogs I’m really starting to understand the Fed moves, lending and what to watch in these cycles. Other guys got in and will suffer. Their families will suffer. I think the economic damage will be bad enough that we will all suffer.

Heck, if things had gone funny I’d probably have bought a house in a good area. Instead I’m in a fringe area to save money. Now, its becoming unacceptably bad here.

So, yeah, there are some victims in all of this and a good number of us will experience a lot of pain. Be it inflation, unemployment or crime. Not sure victim is the right word either.

Not sure what I can do. Shorting stocks and playing options? I spread the word about the fed and M3 and M0… don’t know how much good it does.

Life philosophy is something like this; “Its every man for himself and God against all” (thanks swamp thing).

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Comment by Ed G
2008-06-05 06:31:26

Shorting stocks can make you money sometimes, but also in a down market some stocks are fundamentally on-sale. Some bankers actually remained responsible during the lending boom; some babies are getting thrown out with the bathwater.

 
 
 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-04 17:25:09

Cynthia McKinney and Marilyn Musgrave were pretty scary too. My all-time favorite congressional nutjob (now no longer serving) was my former congressman from Orange County, “B1 Bob” Dornan.

(My current congressman, Don Young, could use a straightjacket as well)

Comment by OCDan
2008-06-04 17:30:19

Maxine is and will always be in a class all by herself. She is flat out crazy woman! Nothing, and I mean, nothing is the fault of any of her contituents. She is the welfare queen bee.

Comment by JCG
2008-06-04 21:39:41

No Bailout -No peace!!!

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Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-06-04 17:38:02

Don’t forget Duncan Hunter.

Comment by SaladSD
2008-06-04 22:44:02

Or Randy Cunningham, crying his sweet lying top gun self to prison.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-04 17:47:12

Hey, you got nothing on northern AZ. Our guy is one step away from a jail cell.

Comment by OCDan
2008-06-04 17:59:47

Paging Marion Barry.

(I know he was only a lowly mayor, but I couldn’t resist.)

Being from NJ, I have to add…

Frank Thompson of Abscam fame.

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Comment by Rainman18
2008-06-04 18:05:57

In North San Diego County our guy IS in a jail cell! Ironically imprisoned in Arizona. Hi Duke!

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Comment by CA renter
2008-06-05 03:59:19

Long time, no see, Rainman.

Good to see you’re still around. :)

 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-04 18:34:14

lol…so are Don Young and Ted Stevens. Ted Steven’s son Ben was pretty venal too. Frank Murkowski’s (recently retired junior senator) former chief of staff was just convicted on all counts.

Alaska’s congressional delegation definitely wins the corruption contest!

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-04 18:35:37

Almost forgot Jim Traficant and William Jefferson

Comment by desertdweller
2008-06-04 20:19:12

LOL
With all these and more lying cheating slobs in office or paying off someone in office, why don’t we revolt,
or
oh well, when you put all the names on one piece of paper, it boggles the mind. Just think, someone went to school, elementary,Jrhigh,HS etc with these nutjobs.

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Comment by lurknomore
2008-06-04 22:25:12

And I was feeling bad abt being represented by the Casey Serin of Capitol Hill, Laura Richardson. I fell so much better now.

 
 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-06-04 17:57:07

No No No…It was the Ku Klux Klan who had a plan to keep dem folks in their place without having to commit violence, burn crosses or churches, or march with sheets over their heads, the idea was to flood the area with crack and meth and let them destroy each other.

Maxine accused the wrong people.

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Some years ago she blamed the CIA for creating the crack epidemic that plauges South Central L.A.

 
Comment by peter m
2008-06-04 22:07:05

“Nothing is ever the fault of the constituants of Maxine Waters. Some years ago she blamed the CIA for creating the crack epidemic that plauges South Central L.A.”

Hogwash!! I have good knowledge of the drug scene in Scentral SW LA, carson compton area as i owned or ran several businesses in those areas and have a good knowledge of the underground black market and the drug subculture. This was in the 80’s and 90’s. There was also a huge trafficking in cocaine as well as speed in LA basically involving mostly traffikers and runners from mexico and c america, many of them ilegals or quasi- illegals or fake doc holders. I am sure the US/ CIA was also responsible for this huge cocaine trafficking as well.

I am aslo sure the cia and feds are responsible for the Mexican drug cartels who have make the Us- mex border a war zone and also for the tijuana excution killings.

The Scentral population is %100 responsible for selling and abusing cocaine/ crack /speed. I have been to plenty of high roller dealers homes in carson and S LA - big money was made in the ghettos selling the white stuff, all without the CIA’s assistance thank you.

I think Maxine waters herself is high on crack.

 
Comment by joe momma
2008-06-04 23:38:24

She was right too. The CIA was busted smugling drugs into LA in the 1980’s at the height of the “war on drugs”. It was really a war on drug smugglers. The CIA hated the competition.

 
Comment by Dani W
2008-06-05 08:06:20

I suppose you never paid attention to those Iran-Contra hearings

 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-06-04 17:20:21

“PFF Bancorp, the financial parent of PFF Bank & Trust, said in a statement Monday that it’s looking for cash to ’strengthen the company’s capital levels.’ The Rancho Cucamonga-based financial institution has been getting hammered with losses because it loaned money to housing developers who can’t repay what they borrowed.”
______________________________________________________________

FDIC insurance can’t begin to cover all of the banks & credit unions that are going to go BK, i’d advise going with the 1st National Bank of Posturepedic, instead.

 
Comment by dude
2008-06-04 17:21:00

The LA Daily News. “Foreclosures hit a record pace in April across the San Fernando Valley, soaring 201 percent from a year earlier and pounding down home prices. During April, 608 families lost a home to foreclosure, up from 202 a year earlier and 511 in March, according to the San Fernando Valley Economic Research Center.”

So this is what this means for me:

Palmcaster is already running a rate of 10 NODs per sale, gas is now at $4.33/gallon, AND now the SFV is getting parabolic increases in REO.

That (currently) 400K house in the Palmdale foothills that once sold for a cool million is going to feel verrrry nice when I buy it for 100K. (or less)

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-04 17:26:49

Do you really think a million dollar home could drop down to $100K when this is over?

Comment by dude
2008-06-04 17:33:19

Given the exigencies mentioned, yes.

 
Comment by OCDan
2008-06-04 17:35:21

I think it all depends on what we consider a million dollar home.

If we assume that those monsters in Fontucky up on the mountain, which went for as high as 950K during the boom, then yes.

However, if we are talking about a 3,500 sq. ft., brick, 1-2 acres, with semicircular driveway and sizeable pool, with at least a 3-4 car garage in a decent ‘hood…

Then NO!

I have mentioned it before, but it needs repeating. Tract housing does not make me think of the millionaires’ homes when I was growing up.

The homes I remember are what I described above. You knew who had the money. Sure, the guy next door might have billions and lived smaller, but for the most part, you knew.

Even if they lived a little more modest, you could tell. They might drive a VW bug w/a million miles on it, but the house was the teller.

Comment by Big V
2008-06-04 18:16:00

Not to be a stickler, but they can’t build brick houses in CA anymore because of the earthquakes.

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Comment by Central Valley Guy
2008-06-04 18:26:08

There are some places in CA, like my hometown Fresno, oddly enough, that are–touch wood–not as susceptible to the state scourge. I don’t believe we’ve had one over 5.0 in recorded history (no major faultlines for about 75 miles around). The Coalinga earthquake in the early 80s was bad but I didn’t even feel it. Of course when the “Big One” hits, all bets are off.

 
 
Comment by Michael Emmel
2008-06-04 18:53:01

I agree about the 100k comment but these could easily go for 200-300k just look at real estate in Detroit. Plenty of homes that fit your description of money in that range.

And thats as it should be 300k means 100k of income a year.

100k a year is more than the median income of any area in the country. Palo Alto etc. Thus the median home price in the wealthiest areas should be 300-400k at most.

We have come a long way baby and have a long way to fall.

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Comment by dude
2008-06-04 20:25:59

OCdan,

Again, my point is that ex-urb+10X NOD/sales + $4.33 gas = obliteration of market. The home I speak of that is already listed half of it’s original sale in 2006 is a genuine view home on 1 acre.

Prices are already at 50% of peak and NODs keep climbing at parabolic rates. Until they stop prices will fall month/month at the same rates they are today. Right now they are falling 10% per month. NOD is a leading indicator of what the market will be in the next 6-12 months.

Do the math.

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Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-06-04 17:35:33

She’s like the worst of both worlds…

A deadbeat FB, who moonlights as a politician.
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“Her office did not return repeated calls seeking comment for this story. It also has not responded to questions about how Richardson was able to loan her congressional campaign $77,500 while continuing to default on several properties.”

“Additional reports indicated Richardson has a long history of mortgage defaults that also covers homes in San Pedro and Long Beach. Richardson’s own financial statement, however, showed no indication that anything was amiss.”

Comment by holytrainwreck
2008-06-04 17:55:12

Well, she put N/A down for liabilities…that should be a clue right there.

 
Comment by peter m
2008-06-04 22:55:15

“Additional reports indicated Richardson has a long history of mortgage defaults that also covers homes in San Pedro and Long Beach. Richardson’s own financial statement, however, showed no indication that anything was amiss.”

today i checked the local Long press telegram on election results for the 37th congressional district which she represents and which she is running for re-election and lo and behold she is winning by a comfortable margin.

This district which includes westside of long beach, compton, gardena and carson, is 98 % democratic, heavily minority, mostly poor, and half the electorate are functionally illiterate . These folks would elect O.J. Simpson as their rep.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-04 18:43:33

Slightly OT for a California thread, yet somehow highly resonant…

Wrecking ball hits housing market
* Julia Finch
* The Guardian,
* Tuesday June 3 2008

(Houses for sale

Would-be homebuyers don’t want to buy something they might get much cheaper next year. Photograph: PA)

Jeepers. What a way to start a week. Any remaining doubt that the housing market is in freefall was blown away by figures showing a collapse in mortgage approvals, an unprecedented rights issue repricing and profits warning from Bradford & Bingley - and an increase in the Nationwide’s fixed-rate mortgages.

With house prices falling, there is a full-scale retreat from the mortgage market. Would-be homebuyers don’t want to buy something they might get much cheaper next year, while lenders won’t lend on assets that might soon be under water. None of the Nationwide’s fixes are available below 6%, more than a full point above base rates. The squeeze is on.

In the early stages of a housing market slump, activity indicators are often more relevant than price data, which tends to lag. So when mortgage approvals fall by half and net new home reservations are down by three-quarters there is a problem. Right now the data is telling us just one thing, that the housing market is in meltdown.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-06-04 20:04:38

“Jeepers. What a way to start a week. Any remaining doubt that the housing market is in freefall was blown away by figures showing a collapse in mortgage approvals, an unprecedented rights issue repricing and profits warning from Bradford & Bingley - and an increase in the Nationwide’s fixed-rate mortgages.”

Here’s a song sung by ole blue eyes:

Jeepers, creepers, where’d ya get those peepers,
Jeepers, creepers, where’d ya get those eyes?
Gosh all, git up, how’d they get so lit up,
Gosh all, git up, how’d they get that size?
Golly gee! When you turn those heaters on
Woe is me, got to put my cheaters on.
Jeepers, creepers, where’d ya get those peepers?
Oh, those weepers, how they hypnotize!
Where’d ya get those eyes?

Jeepers, creepers….where’d ya get them peepers
Oh, those weepers….how they hypnotize
Where did ya get those
Golly where’d ya get those
Where did ya get them there eyes

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-04 22:24:48

Thanks for that. I find myself wishing I had a recording of Ole Blue Eyes singing about now…

 
 
 
Comment by mrincomestream
2008-06-04 19:27:41

“Buyers last week of a Spanish-style, 3,220-square-foot house on a cul-de-sac here got a bargain: $1 million for a hilltop home in Northern California’s wine country, with views to San Francisco in the distance. Two years ago, the same property sold for $1.4 million. But after the lender foreclosed on the property, the home was deeply discounted.”

Ummmm….how is this a deep discount…I see some folks haven’t quite figured it out yet…

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-06-04 19:58:09

Obviously, it’s a deep discount because it was worth $1.4M two years ago.. considering RE appreciates by at least 15% a year, it is worth a strong $1.9 million today.. but someone scooped it up at around half price!

some of us have it all figured out..

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-06-04 22:27:20

Get yer nomenclature correct: snapped it up…not scooped. Snapped it up.

 
 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2008-06-04 19:34:19

“Snider said he saw some of his well-to-do clients running out of time. ‘They’re just pushing aside their mortgage payments, holding default off,’ he said, even using credit cards to make mortgage payments.”

Looks like they’re not well-to-do after all.

Comment by Neil
2008-06-04 20:39:46

Looks like they’re not well-to-do after all.
That describes 2/3rds of the… poseurs who think they are land barrons.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by PerfectTommy
2008-06-04 21:51:13

I’d just love to know when housing prices here in the East Bay of SF in Dublin / Pleasanto will even begin to come back down to earth. We’re still in the 5″$550,000 and up range for anything decent. You have to make $200k a year in order to buy, what’s up with that. We need a massive 50% price drop in this area before there is real movement. Jeeessshhh.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-06-05 00:47:30

i was on Zillow today, looking at a Tahoe house i may be interested in buying. After weeks of nothing there was suddenly price movement.
The house Zillow-valued at $330K last Nov-Dec.
Now, 6 months later it’s $275K… a $55K drop in 24 weeks. To earn that working 9-5 M-F, i need to make $58 an hour.

Dublin has seen a drop, YOY, of 29%, from $615K down to $436K.
http://www.dqnews.com/Charts/Monthly-Charts/CA-City-Charts/ZIPCAR.aspx
That’s a $179K discount.. or $716 per working day (250), or $89.50 an hour (8).

This is like money in the bank .. and if you had to borrow and pay interest on it, this saved-money doubles in value. So, why be in a hurry to buy when we’re getting paid big bucks to kick back and relax?

 
 
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2008-06-07 01:12:28

 
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2008-06-07 01:38:13

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-07 02:31:45

Mortgage distress shifts to Prime Borrowers

…And while the overall numbers for the first quarter show that the majority of troubled borrowers are in the subprime credit category, the pace at which prime borrowers are running into a wall now strongly outstrips anything being seen in the subprime arena.

 
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