They Might Sit For 100 Years In California
The Sacramento Bee reports from California. “CalPERS stands to lose a chunk of its $947 million investment in a Los Angeles land development that’s filed for bankruptcy protection. CalPERS and two partners spent $970 million in January 2007 to buy 68 percent of LandSource Communities Development LLC, a partnership developing Newhall Ranch master-planned community in the Santa Clarita Valley area of northern Los Angeles County. LandSource filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection late Sunday, nearly two months after it defaulted on a $960 million bank loan.”
“Developing raw land can be one of the riskiest of real estate ventures because values can fluctuate dramatically. In its bankruptcy papers, LandSource said the value of its assets fell from $2.6 billion in late 2006 to about $1.8 billion last September. Pat Macht, spokeswoman for the $245.4 billion California Public Employees’ Retirement System, said it wasn’t clear how much CalPERS’ original $947 million investment is worth now.”
“Newhall Ranch is one of the final frontiers of Southern California real estate, a major tract that’s been eyed for development for years. Plans call for 20,000 houses and 5 million square feet of commercial development, according to papers filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court.”
“‘Longer term, this (development) makes great sense,’ said Jack Kyser, chief economist at the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp. ‘But right now, everything in terms of housing mega-development has come to a crashing halt.’”
“Kyser said CalPERS’ involvement was surprising because the pension fund ‘is astute in how they do their valuations.’”
“When CalPERS bought into the project, the housing market already was softening. But Macht said the severity of the downturn took everyone by surprise. ‘No one knew that the credit crunch and the housing crisis would get to what it was,’ she said.”
The Signal. “Newhall Land is not going out of business, despite a petition by its parent company last weekend to file for bankruptcy protection. ‘We’re a 125-year-old company and have been developing land for 40 years, and we will continue with our day-to-day operations,’ Marlee Lauffer, spokeswoman for Newhall Land and Farming Company, told The Signal on Monday.”
“Clark McKinley, spokesman for CalPERS, was asked if CalPERS, with all its money, would consider settling LandSource’s debts since CalPERS has already invested in the company. ‘We’re not a charity,’ said McKinley, adding LandSource chased good projects at a bad time.”
“‘It was good long-term investment but it came at a bad time,’ he said, referring to the recession-like turn in the housing market.”
“Marshall Ames, VP of Lennar Corporation explained the impact of LandSource’s Chapter 11 petition on Lennar. ‘The owners of LandSource had been negotiating for months in an effort to amend debt covenants with its lenders,’ he said. ‘Unfortunately, the parties were unable to agree on restructuring terms that were mutually acceptable.’”
“In an e-mail sent by Ames to The Signal, he explained: ‘Because LandSource is a completely stand-alone entity, yesterday’s court filing covers only this specific joint venture. Lennar and the other owners are not responsible for, nor a guarantor of, any of LandSource’s debt.’”
The Whittier Daily News. ” Things have been busy for Jon Halili. Last week, as the San Gabriel Valley Mosquito and Vector Control technician sprayed down a brownish-green backyard pool at a foreclosed home on Florence Avenue in West Covina, he scooped up and pointed out small, worm-like mosquito larvae.”
“‘Right at this time we’re having to deal with more vacant pools,’ he said. ‘If the pool is vacant and breeding for a couple of months before we find out about it, it can be a major problem.’”
“Foreclosures have hit eastern Los Angeles County hard: more than 13,000 homes are either in default or have been repossessed by banks, according to Realty. The data indicate that from Pasadena to Pomona and south to the Whittier area, nearly five times as many homes are at risk of foreclosure than in 2005, when the housing market was still booming in Los Angeles County.”
“According the Kelly Middleton, public information officer for San Gabriel Valley Mosquito and Vector Control, the percentage of pools posing a public health risk rose to 37 percent of those inspected, up from 36 percent in 2004 and 33 percent from 2005 to 2007. ‘Definitely we’ve seen an increase in the number of pools we’ve had to treat,’ she said. ‘It’s happening up and down the state.’”
The Chico Enterprise Record. “A government agency that tracks the price of housing and has flagged Butte County repeatedly for high appreciation again indicates falling prices in this market. That’s the ‘housing meltdown’ taking its toll, according to Chico Association of Realtors President Debbie Brodie.”
‘Some of those house price declines are still coming from foreclosures and bank sales, although there haven’t been that many in Chico, she noted. Home sellers have had to drop prices in order to get noticed, she said, or have taken their houses off the market to wait for a rising market.”
“Long-time appraiser Tom Fiscus of Chico has confirmed that his business is down. ‘I’ve seen this (slump) three or four times, but never this bad. I’ve seen the requests (for appraisals) dwindle.’”
“He said he’s also seen the disappearance of the one-person mortgage office as big companies cut costs. ‘Big companies send one rep out to a market to open up an office. That’s fine in good times, but in this market it doesn’t work.’”
“Of what he’s seen in the market, ‘Higher-dollar houses are taking a bigger discount, pricewise. Lower-priced homes — those under $300,000 — have dropped too, but there’s more buyers for that range of house.’”
The Press Democrat. “A national housing crisis was hardly evident in Rohnert Park on Sunday as 17 new homes moved off an auction block in just 52 minutes. About 70 bidders who gathered in the Doubletree Hotel ballroom quickly claimed the properties in what was the first bulk auction of new homes in Sonoma County. Sunday’s sales netted $4.5 million for Standard Pacific Homes, which had been struggling with sluggish sales in its Avondale subdivision in southeast Santa Rosa.”
“Minimum bids on the development’s remaining three-bedroom, two-bath homes just south of the fairgrounds started at about $200,000 — half off original asking prices. The majority of homes sold for about $240,000 to $260,000. The highest winning bid was $285,000 for a home original listed at $463,900.”
“Before the bidding started, the auctioneer asked audience members if they had ever been to an auction before. Only a third raised their hands.”
“Gregorio Edmisten of Petaluma sat nervously with his Realtor as he waited for the event to begin. He hoped to buy a new home for his wife. ‘It’s very hard for newlyweds to get their own homes in the lower price range,’ he said.”
“But his hand never made it in the air. The bids climbed so rapidly, he was overwhelmed. He said he didn’t expect prices to jump $20,000 to $25,000 in a blink of an eye. So Edmisten’s three-month housing search continues. ‘It was intimidating, and they went so fast,’ he said.”
The Press Enterprise. “Bargain hunters are fueling a resurgence of home sales in Riverside and San Bernardino counties and reducing the glut of listings, leading some real estate experts to hope the region’s battered housing market might finally be on the road to recovery.”
“The inventory of unsold homes fell 11 percent from March to April, then leveled off in May to about 33,000 active listings in the Inland Empire and San Gabriel Valley, according to the Multi-Regional MLS. Pending sales were up more than 16 percent in May to 4,650 compared to about 4,000 in April.”
“Rich Cosner, president of Prudential California Realty, with five offices in Inland Southern California, said that although his cumulative sales for the first five months of this year are still lower than for the same period a year ago, home buyers seem to be responding to sharply lower prices lenders are asking for homes they have foreclosed on.”
“‘What I am not sure about is if it is a sign of a stabilized market,’ Cosner said, noting that home sales normally improve in the spring.”
“Leslie Appleton-Young, chief economist for the California Association of Realtors, said that organization does not compile a pending sales index for the state.”
“But she said: ‘Certainly, anecdotally we are hearing from our members they have seen a good uptick in sales activity and that it is concentrated in the areas where you see the biggest decline in prices.’ The price declines, in turn, are most pronounced in the areas with the most foreclosures.”
“‘It is too soon to tell if this trend will be consistent throughout the rest of the year. But it is certainly a step in the right direction,’ she said.”
“Igor Dobroff, a 50-year-old truck driver, said he recently entered escrow on a $165,000 house in Colton, after waiting years to find something he could afford. ‘I am sick and tired of renting’ he said. He figures the monthly mortgage payment with insurance and taxes will be only $300 more than he is now paying for a one-bedroom apartment.”
The Modesto Bee . “The signs are painted over. The models are empty. All building has stopped at the three Falling Leaf subdivisions in Modesto’s Village I. With less than half of the planned 314 homes complete, developer William Lyon Homes has quit construction. Empty lots growing weeds remain.”
“When the development opened in spring 2006 in northeast Modesto, it was highly praised for its innovative use of space and alternative housing designs. Its small lots, garages with alley access, clustered driveways and “granny flats” were hailed as creative ways to provide more affordable housing in a higher-density setting. But it opened just after the region’s housing market peaked and the builder struggled to find buyers.”
“Falling Leaf repeatedly cut prices. Example: Its smallest house, a 1,620-square-foot plan, was priced at $379,000 in August 2006, then dropped to $329,990 by February 2007 and dropped again to $269,900 in April 2007.”
“By last month, the development drastically sliced prices on its remaining inventory to about $100 per square foot. One 3,545-square-foot house with six bedrooms, four bathrooms, granite counters, stainless steel appliances and maple cabinets was advertised for $359,681.”
“The three sets of Falling Leaf model homes — at The Groves, The Trails and The Meadows — are closed. There’s a note on one sales office door saying ‘We are temporarily sold out.’ The Web site for Falling Leaf, meanwhile, has disappeared.”
“Increased building fees can kill a development, warned builder Neil Grevemberg, who owns an eight-lot subdivision off Fine Avenue across from Falling Leaf. He said his Cambrooke Court subdivision lost its vesting rights, and the city wants more than $52,000 per house in fees.”
“With the higher fees and the dramatically slowed demand for housing, Grevemberg said his project is ‘losing big money.’ The lots cost him about $200,000 each, but he said they now are worth only about $50,000 each.”
“‘I don’t know what we’re going to do,’ said Grevemberg. ‘They might sit there for 100 years.’”
Hi PB - the car I was talking about on Saturday can be seen at http://www.aptera.com
Boy is it hard to get ahead of you on an thread to feed you info!
Cool. BTW, stay tuned to your e-mail, as I will send you some within the next day.
Aptera? Cool!
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Sad it will still be vaporware… and besides just drive your hummer H2 200 miles each year to match its fuel consumption.
Damn! Got all excited about buying one then looked between my legs. Oh well. Maybe I’ll just get a horse and a side-saddle instead.
(Ummm, why do you think it is vaporware? And permanently or just that they will miss the late 2008 release date?)
None of the big automakers will actually put one in the showrooms.. they’ve developed prototypes and made noises like they will for the last decade, but the projects get delayed or canceled. Although the Far East has a few small electric bikes, none of the big motorcycle makers will commit to doing it in the USA.
My impression is that there’s something about electrics that do not make economic sense at this time. I don’t know if it’s lack of demand, political/regulatory hurdles or technical deficiencies.. probably all three and more.
Who cares if the big automakers don’t put it in their showrooms? You don’t think they can sell out their entire production line just by word of mouth? When the dinosaur automakers get on this, they’ll have about 10 years of catchup to play.
“‘I don’t know what we’re going to do,’ said Grevemberg. ‘They might sit there for 100 years.’”
Nah — they will be bulldozed, burned or otherwise buried into the soil long before 100 years are up.
Fo’ shizzle, y’all. Ya can’t make this stuff up!
You know the commercial with Lee Iacocca and Snoop Dog.
One of my favorites (Between Tivo and Sirius I’m commercially impaired).
I love when Lee turns to the Dog and says “I’m not sure what you just said”.
My own dogs have had new nicknames since.
Cricket is Crikizzle.
Skyye is Skookizzle.
Mike
Skyye is Skookizzle.
I thought that was a river that runs thru Philly?
Even Bodie, CA will outlast some of these communities.
Hehe, nice.
Is he talking about built houses, or just the lots?
$200K for one house lot is insane.
It better be beachfront at that price.
Otherwise, you’re absolutely correct!
Even deep water canals in FL aren’t really worth 200K for the lot (although they sold for MUCH more then that for a time), a lot in the middle of development? 50K max!
In Monterey, CA a group of 5 lots came on the market a year or two ago for $750,000 plus. They tore down an abandoned church and apprently had water rights (the Old Rich Guys make it virtually impossible to get new water in Monterey).
At least some of the lots come with building plans–perhaps a failed subdivision. This is in a nice wooded area about 2-3 miles from the ocean, with steep hills going up on 3 sides and no view whatsoever.
It’s different HERE in Wisconsin. Some of our McMansions won’t be sitting here for a 100 years. Click pics to enlarge.
McMansions and a complete lake… just disappeared this weekend.
HOLD the popcorn…we’re treading WATER HERE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080610/ap_on_re_us/severe_weather
…and a few shackdebters are underwater in more than one way
I’d hope whatever city those units are in is smart enough to bill the developer for upkeep and taxes on an annual basis. I’d be really surprised if any business would pay taxes and upkeep to let even one property sit vacant for 100 years. Talk is cheap… throw away a couple million, then let’s see where you stand on cutting your losses.
The magnitude of 100% pure ignorance is awe inspiring! “No one knew” My lord, I know a few old timers without benefit of a High School education that saw this coming years ago. Of course they were blessed with common sense!
“Kyser said CalPERS’ involvement was surprising because the pension fund ‘is astute in how they do their valuations.’”
“When CalPERS bought into the project, the housing market already was softening. But Macht said the severity of the downturn took everyone by surprise. ‘No one knew that the credit crunch and the housing crisis would get to what it was,’ she said.”
If you’ve never met a CALPERS droid, you really owe it to yourself to make sure you do.
One senior person (who shall remain unnamed) had trouble with the concept of standard deviation. I really kid you not. It’s hard to make this up.
I spent the evening devouring the oysters and sipping the champagne instead. Wish I could get such freebies more often.
The consequences to your tax payer dollars are obvious.
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
bad move by CALPERS but they are also moving into commodities right now so…
CALPERS is huge and even if they lost the whole billion it’s only .003% of their fund’s value. they have $254,000,000,000 under management.
You know, writing out that number makes it look a lot bigger and badder than saying “254 billion.”
Wrong.
1/250 = 40 basis points = 0.40%
That is simply inexcusable in a fund of that large a size.
Faster Pussycat,
Never met any but have definitely spoke with a few over the phone. These guys seem to be experts at “taking the test, FROM the test”! They only mimic what YOU say and hardly venture an opinion at all?
Even moving forward with the project at that point was dense. What would it have took for CP to simply shelve the matter for the time being? Does anyone else see the conflict here? They’re not going to maximize CalPers returns by building entry level, affordable housing! So… let’s “make a killing” by building ever more expensive housing in ever more distant developments?
Why should they “venture an opinion”? They are not paid by the success of their ideas. They are paid to “fail conventionally” rather than “succeed unconventionally”.
They will make their taxpayer-paid salaries forever. To step out of line is absurd in this world.
Faster Pussycat,
You’re right, the only reason it seems more profound is simply the sheer scale of CalPERS. Even their near $1 Bil. F’ up doesn’t ’seem’ like that big a deal?
I had heard that CalPERS is contemplating opening up their fund to smaller, non-affiliated investors. On the surface that sounds like it could be a good deal for smaller investors but clearly they already have more $’s than they know what to do with.
It took me a couple of years to get a distribution of a few hundred buckeroos out of CalPERS, due to administrative ineptitude. Even though the dollar amount was small, I am glad I made the effort, as I am reasonably sure they would have managed to lose track of my claim on their asset pool within a few years had I failed to act.
“The consequences to your taxpayer dollars are obvious”
Yeah, that’s why I’ve gone to such lengths to keep my taxpayer dollars out of the hands of the Golden State. Ten years of pretending to live in Arizona, now I’m pretending to live in Pennsylvania. Wish I could pretend to live in no-income-tax Florida, but I just don’t get there often enough to have any reasonable basis for that pretense.
Errr.. The “nobody could have seen this” or “no one knew” is another one of those things that drives me NUTS everytime I read it.
Nobody means NOT 1, and trust me, I was on this blog way before the great unwind started, and there were PLENTY of people here talking about the upcoming disaster. So, no, it was not impossible to see, and people DID know.
These idiots just didn’t want to listen to us, or to reason at all; they really thought that homes were going to continue up at 30% a year forever. Forget the fact that min wage would be 10,000 bucks an hour in 20 years; houses must continue to the moon.
A big, big problem is this whole mess is that very few people understand compounding at all. Without an understanding of this basic math fact, it’s difficult to conceptualize what “30% YOY growth forever” really means. I did the math on a local blog and people thought that I did it wrong (I didn’t), because they couldn’t believe that meant the median home would cost 5M dollars in 10 years. The lack of solid math skills is one of the biggest (imho) problems in our society today.
Those statements really irk me too. How about “nobody who could do anything about it listened to logic”. I was making the same observations in 2004 about how could anyone think they could afford to commit to ridiculously high (and upwardly adjusting) payments for 30 years when incomes were not going up.
where do you go to file for anything legal late on a Sunday exactly? what, you drop off at schwarzenegger’s country club or??
i think everybody knew last few years how this would all end, but right now is CYA time.
How can a ‘national housing crisis’ be ‘hardly evident’ when builders are auctioning houses at half price, and the bidding they’re touting pushes the prices into the dizzying stratosphere of ONLY 35-40% off!
So… a haircut of 40% is not a crisis in an asset’s worth?
WHO ARE THESE RETARDED REPORTERS?
I wouldn’t be too bothered about a 40% haircut in an asset worth $1.
I don’t think that’s what you meant though.
Your complaint applies equally to the comments made about the IE. Sure, they’ve seen a big jump in sales. But this is also the region that lenders went nuts on price slashing. We’re talking slashing 50%+ in many areas. Recovery? What happens when the new price valuations set in, when the guy next door to you has a $1800 payment and you’re sitting there looking like a chump paying $3600 on house hundreds of thousands in the hole? Voluntary walk-aways galore is the answer. Recovery? hell no. Hey, a furniture store going out of business may hold a 50% OFF sale and then fill the store with customers. But in the end, they’re still going out of business.
Excellent point. I’d further say that for the guy making a $3,600 PITI I doubt that he feels there’s much of a “recovery” going on?
IE needed a sound spanking any way.
maybe the IE will recover faster? or will it turn into a drug infested shooting gallery?
Igor Dobroff, a 50-year-old truck driver, said he recently entered escrow on a $165,000 house in Colton, after waiting years to find something he could afford. ‘I am sick and tired of renting’ he said. He figures the monthly mortgage payment with insurance and taxes will be only $300 more than he is now paying for a one-bedroom apartment.”
Speaking of drug infested shooting galleries, Colton is a real piece of work. May be the IE Primo wasted zone-entire city is strewn with degenerated trashed out old rotted homes, crapped out streets and rundown industrial lots mixed with run down residential mixed with trashy malls amd sleazy motels.
Actually city is ideal for independent truckers with their own rigs as city has no code enforcement period, making it ideal to site home-based truck terminals. Lots of rigs parked in ranch home lots with large lots all over the San berdoo IE.
The one interesting thing is that it seems like this really was an auction. All the houses sold, for not a lot more than the initial bid, and it took less than an hour, so it doesn’t sound like the houses were coming back because the bidder ‘couldn’t get financing’ (aka shill bidders for the builders who couldn’t get anybody to bid up to the hidden reserve price.)
The fact sounds like acceptance on the part of the builders. Let’s just get this stuff off the books ASAP, and try to survive as a company.
“more affordable housing in a higher-density setting…. Its smallest house, a 1,620-square-foot plan”
Y’know, in my neck of the woods (Sacto area), the typical “small house” is under 1200 square feet. And that’s for 3/2 housing. Did the builders not consider that more affordable housing might be smaller?
Of course, just looking through listings for Elk Grove, I can find numerous properties under $200K, some of which are, indeed, more than 1620 square feet. Some are even not short sales or REOs! And quite honestly, even with few major employers in the Elk Grove area, there’s still better employment opportunities overall than in Modesto. I’m not surprised that division is toast.
Hi All:
Sorry about the late notice. Robert Campbell will be the speaker for SD CIA tonight. I’ve heard him speak before and he is excellent.
The website is http://www.sdcia.com and the meeting starts at 6pm but if you get there by 7:15 you generally don’t miss any of the main presentation. If you become a member you can listen to old presentations including Bruce Norris last month.
Before someone pounds my face in the sand and calls me a troll - the meetings are nothing like the message board. The meetings have been bearish for years. (Duh - Robert Campbell and Bruce Norris!?)
Sorry I cannot make it. If you talk to Campbell, tell him we miss his posts.
$100/sf sounds about right for Modesto.
As long as the sq. ft. is around 1600. Average hh income is 50k+/-. Problem of course when every builder thinks 4000 sf is the minimum, then bitch that they ‘just can’t lower prices below cost’.
A major error in judgment that can lead to the poor house.
It’s wasn’t an “error” in judgment. It was calculated greed. A 4000 sq ft house cost less to build per sq ft than a 1600 sq ft house, hence more profit. You want to live in 1600 sq ft home? Then share a wall (and possibly a floor/ceiling) with your neighbor. Because that’s more profitable for the builders.
Profit, smofit. Builders build 4000 sf homes because they believe they can sell them. After that determination, they calulate profit. In the boom years, they (rightly so) believed they could sell anything they built - the error in judgment came at calling the top, which very few builders accurately called.
A 1600 sf house can be built on a single lot for a profit - but not when said builder buys lot land at $100,000 a lot and sinks every imagineable upgrade into the house. It worked for a time; it doesn’t work today.
This sort of thing is really eye-opening. The Economist magazine was saying that the mortgage industry was a house of cards back in 2005. This blog was talking about how weird it was that houses were skyrocketing in price for any number of unsustainable reasons.
Just HowTF is that these highly payed “In-the-know” execs in charge of massive pensions and other funds could not see the problems in the real estate industry?
WTF is going on with them?
“When CalPERS bought into the project, the housing market already was softening. But Macht said the severity of the downturn took everyone by surprise. ‘No one knew that the credit crunch and the housing crisis would get to what it was,’ she said.”
No one, huh?
This country has a STUPID problem. Stupid people are everywhere. It is the one thing this country has a massive SURPLUS of.
Ask Robert Campbell if he’s heard anything from “Taco’ Jeff!! Just curious if he’s ever unloaded his “investment” properties.
Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.
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‘No one knew that the credit crunch and the housing crisis would get to what it was…’
Lot of people knew, lady. How do these ignoramuses get to manage what is public money? One of my predictions has been that public pension funds would go bust and taxpayers would, once again, foot the bill.
Jas
I posted exactly that earlier (the blog ate it).
“No one” means “NOT ONE”, as in, not a single person alive knew what was going to happen. That’s a total falsehood, just come read this blog from that period of time, there were plenty of us on here talking about EXACTLY what was going to happen.
I just can’t stand all these shills coming out and saying “nobody could have predicted this”. Yes, that’s right, nobody who is blind, has a IQ in the single digits, and drinks mouthwash to get drunk could have predicted this. Anyone who can ADD and multiply could have predicted this in about 30 seconds, if the stupid NAR/media/their own greed didn’t get in the way.
Nobody could have predicted this.. I guess that makes all of us… A bunch of nobodys.
“Taxpayers would foot the bill”
The gov’t is taking on so many obligations that unless they raise our tax rates to 50%, they are going to have to start printing money. Either scenario is going to make it very ugly to live in this country.
I suspect that state pensioners will have a unilateral change in the terms of their retirement benefits. One nice card Uncle Sam has up his sleeve: you can’t sue him, and the states (especially Florida and California) will be broke enough that it wouldn’t get you anywhere anyway.
Companies are starting to post salary ranges for open jobs now (indicating that they feel they have the upper hand), and many of them are a lot lower than what I’m getting now for similar work.
BTW, this is in Silicon Valley, “The Center of the Universe”.
What do you do V?
I’m a science writer/techncial writer/at-work blogger and chatter.
Let’s see if this works. I typoed my last post and tried to cancel it, so if this shows up twice, then it’s my bad, sorry.
I am a science writer/technical writer/at-work blogger and chatter.
I thought there was a shortage of technical writers.
Yeah, me too. But I don’t write for software. I have applied for 4 jobs over the past couple months without a bite. Last year at this time, I would have been hired within days at any of those jobs. And they’re paying less now too!
“The three sets of Falling Leaf model homes — at The Groves, The Trails and The Meadows — are closed. There’s a note on one sales office door saying ‘We are temporarily sold out.’ The Web site for Falling Leaf, meanwhile, has disappeared.”
Probably too late to change the name to the more appropriate, but even less marketable, “Falling Down Homes.”
There’s something about that Falling Leaf name that makes businesses disappear.
How appropriate, shedding leaves in the Spring.
“Falling Leaf repeatedly cut prices. Example: Its smallest house, a 1,620-square-foot plan, was priced at $379,000 in August 2006, then dropped to $329,990 by February 2007 and dropped again to $269,900 in April 2007.”
How ’bout Falling Knife?
Once again Stockton is on fire. Near I-5 30 homes destroyed and as many as 25 others damaged with 2 firefighters injured. Arson investigation is just beginning, but it seems a bit perfect to be a coincidence.
It is very rare for a house fire to spread like that. Typically, only wildfires are frenetic enough to burn down multiple houses. It’s pretty damned hard to get a fire to jump from house 1 all the way to house 30; you’d probably need an explosion. I guess you have to admire the criminal expertise that can be found in Stockton.
I rent in Santa Clarita and had been waiting for this Newhall Ranch development to get started. Initially, the target opening date was Spring 2007 and they haven’t broken ground yet. Will this bankruptcy derail the entire development or will they still build?
Coincidentally I’m seeing the same thing here in DC. There were quite a few large lots inside the beltway that used to be hundreds of rental apartments. They were torn down around 2005 and signs were put up to expect “luxury” condos opening in the Spring of 2007. They are just now beginning to push the dirt around. For the life of me I can’t figure out why they’d bother to complete the project now, but it’s happening in several locations.
I’ve seen a couple of recently cleared smaller parcels in the Hillcrest/Mission Hills/Bankers Hill area of San Diego. No new construction on either yet, but on one they’re just finishing the clearing. Very little seems to be selling including some recently completed new construction. I see the same for sale signs week after week, month after month. Two, within two blocks of me, have added for rent signs to go with the for sale signs in the past two weeks. I think there’s either still a lot of denial or misunderstanding of where the market’s going.
MORTGAGES
Progress toward mortgage industry reform is slow in California
Some measures face stiff opposition. Bankers say the state can’t regulate its way out of the foreclosure crisis.
By Marc Lifsher, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
June 9, 2008
SACRAMENTO — As the worst foreclosure crisis since the Great Depression drags down the California economy, the Legislature is making only limited progress this year on proposals for sweeping changes in the home mortgage industry.
“the Legislature is making only limited progress this year on proposals for sweeping changes in the home mortgage industry.”
I guess that means that bribes…er…campaign contributions…are only a trickle.
Since “sweeping changes” in this case is code for “sweeping bailouts” and CA happens to be facing an insane deficit, I’d like to think that we can just forgo the “help” this time and let the market play out.
Buy if you want to, but only if you can afford to. If you don’t really, really, really want to buy, then don’t. Prices will continue to drop. Rents will drop as well as everyone who can’t sell turns to rental markets instead.
Lowball the sellers…make them weep blood. Think about their arrogance and greed on the way up. Show them your remorselessness and savy on the way down. Make them beg. Make them throw in landscaping, pools, granite countertops, and Sub Zero kitchens for FREE! Bwahh ha ha! Revenge is mine. Say it! Say it!
Seriously, there is no such thing as V shaped housing market on the bottom, only at the top. You will NOT miss the bottom by more than a few hundred bucks if you wait one month, six months or a year.
Just found out that two acquaintances of ours (who bought an overpriced home at the 2005 peak of the market in Modesto, CA and were now upside down on their mortgage) just had their 150,000 second mortage debt forgiven by WAMU. Must be nice. Guess I was dumb not to buy in at the peak, too.
So unf***ing FAIR. This is completely wrong. These people should be out on their A##!
People who saved & pinched pennies, did not abuse credit cards should have the chance to buy that home…. the F###UPs get rewarded!
I wasted the last 5 years, selling my home, saving additional money for a nice family home, not using the credit cards…. for what??? Sooo that people who lied about their incomes, used their home equity line like a ATM…. now get rewarded and I get a slap in the face.
The homes in my area are not $ are not coming down…. sellers still think they are hot crap and why not…. they are getting what they ask for. Junk is selling for half a million dollars around here… I give up… looks like I will be renting for a very long time in Folsom Ca.
Isn’t there a place in Folsom where you can live long-term and rent-free?
Now that just really makes my blood boil. $150k just FORGIVEN??? Those deadbeats oughta be sent to the poorhouse with paycheck deductions for the next 60 years. And who gets to eat the cost of the bailout? Investors, that’s who. It’s peoples’ 401k’s. Now I figure I oughta buy a house I can’t afford and ask for forgiveness too. Not even a Hail Mary.
You know, this will only make the market crash harder. Who in their right mind would EVER buy an MBS when they know that the debt can be outright FORGIVEN by the servicer at any time for any reason? No one will lend!