June 12, 2008

On The Wrong Side Of The Silver Lining

Some housing bubble news from Wall Street and Washington. Reuters, “Thornburg Mortgage Inc, a specialist in jumbo home loans that nearly went bankrupt in March, posted a $3.31 billion first-quarter loss on Thursday as the value of mortgages and other securities it owns plummeted. Results included a $1.54 billion write-down of the value of mortgage-backed securities and securitized loans Thornburg owns.”

“The company also realized a $651.6 million loss on the sale of some adjustable-rate mortgages, and had an unrealized $126.1 million loss on a separate adjustable-rate mortgage transaction.”

“Thornburg also took $949.1 million of charges related to the capital-raising, which heavily diluted existing shareholders.”

“The company said it made $548.7 million of loans in the first quarter. It said it has since made $239 million, but CEO Larry Goldstone said these were already in its pipeline, and that ‘we’re not really originating any of the new loans right this minute.’”

From MarketWatch. “‘The industry is suffering from a continued decline in housing prices, a mortgage securities market that cannot easily value mortgage-backed securities due to lack of trading activity, a banking sector that is lacking capital and deleveraging, and continued rating agency downgrades of mortgage-backed securities,’ Goldstone said.”

“As a result the credit storm and other factors, Thornburg saw a ’sudden downward spiral’ in prices on its triple-A-rated mortgage assets.”

“Thornburg shares have lost more than 90% of their value so far this year.”

The New York Times. “The struggling investment bank, Lehman Brothers, shook up its management on Thursday as it tries to win back the confidence of Wall Street. The bank said its chief operating officer and president, Joseph M. Gregory, and its chief financial officer, Erin Callan, had been removed from their posts.”

“‘Our credibility has eroded,’ the CEO, Richard S. Fuld Jr., wrote in an internal memorandum to employees about the change in executives.”

“Analyst Lauren Smith it would take time and another quarter of earnings for analysts and investors to become more comfortable that Lehman was actually marking its assets to reflect the downturn in the mortgage market and to see if business turns up.”

“While the firm took a smaller total, or gross, write-down in the second quarter - $4 billion, compared with $5.3 billion in the first quarter - its hedging, especially hedges on commercial mortgage related positions, failed. That meant Lehman wrote down $4.1 billion in the most recent period compared with $2.4 billion for the first quarter.”

“The developments mark a stark reversal of fortune for Lehman and for Mr. Fuld, its longtime chairman and chief executive. Mr. Fuld earned accolades - and more than $40 million in 2007 - for steering Lehman through tumultuous markets last year and, two months ago, he proclaimed that ‘the worst is over’ in the markets.”

“No one knows when the credit crisis will end. But when it does, U.S home prices may have lost a third of their value, high-yield bond valuations will hit levels close to those seen during the last recession, and what may amount to $1 trillion of Wall Street losses may translate into almost $4 trillion of lost access to capital.”

“That’s the view of top credit analysts, who say a U.S. housing decline, sparked last year by subprime mortgage debt defaults, will likely last another two years.”

“A senior Fitch Ratings analyst forecast more defaults and delinquencies for U.S. home mortgages, and said the highest default rates are coming from recent mortgages originating in the last few years.”

“‘There are a lot more mortgage defaults to come,’ said Glenn Costello, a Fitch Ratings managing director. ‘We see an ongoing high level of default.’”

From Bloomberg. “The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, confronting a surge in mortgage fraud, has ordered more than two dozen of its field offices to stop probing some financial crimes so agents can focus on the subprime crisis. Kenneth Kaiser, chief of the bureau’s criminal investigative division, issued the directive late last week.”

“The FBI traditionally has moved investigators to address urgent needs, he said. About 150 agents were working on more than 1,300 mortgage cases before the change. ‘If you’re seeing a significant crime problem, you have to move resources,’ Carter said yesterday. ‘We’ve got a big problem with mortgage fraud.’”

The Daily Business Review. “Florida ranks first in the country for mortgage fraud and second in foreclosures. Combine that with understaffed and overworked law enforcement agencies, a real estate industry where money doesn’t change hands unless a deal closes and crafty crooks who know the system, and there’s no sign the fraud epidemic will abate soon.”

“It’s no surprise many people involved in all aspects of the real estate industry have stories of bogus sales perpetrated by fraudsters and enabled by lax lenders or appraisers. And the same insiders increasingly question what law enforcement is doing about it.”

“Former banker Suzanne Weiss, coordinator of the Broward County Foreclosure Task Force, said the Mortgage Bankers Association’s recent allocation of about $750,000 to fight fraud nationwide will come up short. ‘That’s nothing; that’s a bunch of file folders,’ she said.”

“A South Florida prosecutor who spoke on condition of anonymity said there is an overwhelming volume of fraud. ‘I think there is tons of small-bore fraud going on, and I’m shocked at how easy it is to get done,’ he said. ‘You’d have to have thousands and thousands of [investigators and prosecutors] to stop it.’”

“During the height of the real estate boom, ‘it behooved everybody to cooperate [in fraudulent deals] because everyone made money,’ he said. ‘And the fact that real estate prices kept going up washed away the sin. Fraud was easy to hide because the next sale would have an even higher sales price.’”

“Now that the boom is over, the prosecutor said it’s likely there’s fraud in many of the South Florida foreclosures now in the pipeline. But the ‘dirty little secret’ about fraud investigations is that many investigators don’t know how to examine loan files, the prosecutor said.”

“The Securities and Exchange Commission voted Wednesday to propose tightening rules for credit-rating firms, calling for restrictions to attack conflicts of interest and expanded disclosure, including on ratings of structured finance products.”

“SEC Chairman Christopher Cox said the proposals were spurred by the subprime-mortgage crisis and a lack of understanding about the risks posed by mortgage-backed securities. He said the fact that ratings firms sometimes advised issuers of such securities on how to structure them was ‘a triple-A conflict of interest’ that added to the problem.”

“SEC investigators have found ‘ample evidence’ of rating firms consulting on securities they later rated, Cox told reporters.”

From Marketplace. “Kai Ryssdal: ‘Now that the subprime horse is gone, the Securities and Exchange Commission set about closing the barn door today. It took aim at the credit rating business with a series of proposed reforms that are supposed to prevent one of the things that got us into the credit crunch from ever happening again.’”

“‘Moody’s, Fitch and Standards & Poor’s handed out top ratings to bonds that were backed by subprime mortgages only to see those bonds collapse as mortgage defaults soared.’”

“Amy Scott: ‘Well, many of the reforms they proposed involved conflicts of interest and transparency. If the rules are approved, ratings agencies wouldn’t be allowed to help structure the bond deals that they rate…And analysts won’t be allowed to accept gifts from issuers worth more than $25 — there was kind of a cute discussion about whether coffee and danishes are allowed.’”

“Ryssdal: ‘Gotta love that after billions lost in the subprime squeeze, it comes down to coffee and donuts, right?’ Scott: ‘That’s right.’”

The International Herald Tribune. “The housing market is lousy, but television shows about housing are booming. The audiences for HGTV and TLC, the two U.S. networks with the most so-called property programming, have grown steadily over the past three years. The reason appears to be their shift in focus away from buying real estate as speculative sport to more educational and emotional shows.”

“Shows that were hallmarks of the bubble - like ‘Flip That House,’ on TLC, and “Flip This House,’ on A&E - are still around, but have been retooled with less-than-happy endings.”

“‘People loved comedies during the Depression, too,’ said R.J. Cutler, executive producer of ‘Flip That House.’”

“Even though housing might be a depressing subject to talk about, watching a show about it remains entertaining. Brant Pinvidic, who until recently oversaw TLC’s programming, recently finished building a new house near Los Angeles, but now he cannot sell his old house. So when Pinvidic describes the questions that TLC’s shows try to answer - ‘What would I do to sell my house? What could I do to pump up the value? How could I sell it quickly?’ - he finds that he wants the answers himself.”

“‘A few years ago, viewers were wondering ‘what’s my house worth’ with an exclamation point,’ he said. ‘Now they’re saying it with a question mark.’”

The Independent. “Lots of suggestions to add to our list of ‘bright spots of a recession’ which we went with last week.”

“To paraphrase the feedback, ‘No More @#/*-ing Property programmes on TV’ and ‘No more expensive government quangoes established to make sure we brush our teeth before bed’ are silver linings to cheer people up.”

“Readers born before 1975 will remember the ‘overseas jobs fairs’ phenomenon of pre-boom times. This was when foreign employers would come to Ireland and hundreds of dole bunnies would queue up hoping to get a ’start’ on building sites in Hamburg or the Isle of Dogs.”

“Well, we’ll never see that again will we ? ‘Fraid so. On Friday and Saturday, FAS are holding a ‘Construction Jobs in Europe’ fair at its offices in D’Olier Street.”

“The major difference this time around is that the State training and employment authority is presumably aiming to re-export some of the tens of thousands of overseas construction workers that landed here from Eastern Europe but now find their boots and hard hats gathering dust.”

“Earlier this month, David Hughes of Ernst & Young was appointed provisional liquidator of Denis Finn Limited, a construction firm specialising in high-end housing in the coastal areas of North County Dublin.”

“While, this occurrence has received little or no media coverage, the difficulties of Denis Finn Ltd are not just another case of a small builder being forced to the wall because of the residential slowdown.’

“The company has a strong reputation in the Howth and Sutton areas for building and selling top-of-the-range homes to affluent customers. A glance at the company’s website gives just some indication of the highly expensive inventory it is carrying and a frightening snapshot of how a successful upmarket developer can suddenly hit the skids.”

“Amongst many others, it has three 4,000 sq ft homes overlooking Howth Harbour for prices of between €2.9 - €3.2m.”

“It has two designer gaffs on Station road in Sutton for €1.3m apiece. It has two more similar new homes on Thormanby Road in Howth quoting €1.7m and it has a significant bank of €1m prized coastal sites.”

“Despite reducing prices by upwards of 20pc since last autumn, it seems that the hitherto bulletproof market for trophy coastal homes has fallen in a heap.”

From WSMV Nashville. “Property value for thousands of homeowners in middle Tennessee is sinking even lower than they may realize. One builder going bankrupt was a large part of the problem. Almost 200 Corinthian homes are either going into foreclosure or may end up there soon.”

“While the Orsburns moved to Riverwalk in Bellevue for friendly surroundings, Carla Orsburn said every time she looks around, she sees neglect. She is looking at the 24 unfinished homes and lots in Riverwalk that are going into foreclosure.”

“‘There’s nobody that takes care of that property,’ she said.”

“Due to the bankruptcy, dozens more homes from Brentwood to LaVergne are on the way to foreclosure. ‘We’ll be foreclosing on two complete subdivisions Friday the 13th,’ said Tom Lawless, who is representing one of the banks foreclosing on Corinthian properties.”

“Surrounding home values drop probably ‘25 to 30 percent,’ said Lawless.”

“Monticello said the real pain will come to people living nearby. ‘Banks aren’t going to go out there and pay top dollar for properties they’re foreclosing on,’ he said.”

“Mark Dersham of Keller Williams said the upside is that homebuyers can save tens of thousands on nice homes that may just need finishing. ‘Anywhere from 25 to 33 percent,’ he said.”

“Another possible negative for homeowners living near foreclosed properties is the possibility of rising homeowners’ association fees. When banks take possession of a home, they’re not responsible for paying those fees, so that cost may be passed on to homeowners.”

“One plus side to Corinthian’s foreclosures is that the banks will pay property taxes. Taxes for Corinthian properties went unpaid in 2006 and 2007.”

“‘It is frustrating,’ Orsburn said. But Orsburn is on the wrong side of the silver lining with her home losing value. She said summer plans to move are indefinitely shifted.”

“‘We didn’t have to move. We’re OK with staying where we are. We’ve been very lucky,’ she said.”




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Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-12 11:23:17

Let’s just say a lot of people ended up having the Midas Touch, in reverse…

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 11:34:43

… hundreds of dole bunnies …

They sure have a way with words! :-D

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-12 13:36:48

We need that sort of vocabulary here in America.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-06-12 15:52:46

Or better yet…stomach hands…because everything they touch turns into…..

 
 
Comment by ec3
2008-06-12 11:37:01

Lehman Bros. credibility eroded?! Why, they’re located a block away from the 25000 square foot M&M’s World Store! In a building with 2 full floors of LED-illuminated spandrel spelling out L E H M A N B R O T H E R S in the interludes when they’re not broken up by high-intensity images of picturesque landscapes. Haven’t you heard? CNBC is show business. Finance is entertainment! Why else would you locate your headquarters in Times Square?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 11:45:09

Morgan Stanley sold them that building after 9/11 because they didn’t want two offices in the same high-profile location.

Lehman made out like a bandit on that building.

 
Comment by Mormon_Tea
2008-06-12 13:37:30

“Haven’t you heard? CNBC is show business. Finance is entertainment! Why else would you locate your headquarters in Times Square?”

Times Square used to be famous for burlesque, peep shows, X-rated films, and even onstage sex acts somes years ago. Nowadays it’s more respectable.
Just like the nowadays Governor of New York.

For those still following the Spitzer Saga, the femme fatale and her MOM have been spotted recently in the Garden State. Life’s a beach at See Squirt, NJ.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-12 11:38:02

“As a result the credit storm and other factors, Thornburg saw a ’sudden downward spiral’ in prices on its triple-A-rated mortgage assets.”

a ‘fiat spin’

Comment by turnoutthelights
2008-06-12 12:03:43

fiat spin…

Ok, my vote for best word twist of the month.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2008-06-12 14:51:19

‘fiat spin’…. That’s priceless! :-)

 
 
Comment by calex
2008-06-12 11:40:21

Here is one for you,
Sold my townhouse June 30 2006
20 somethings that bought it had an 80/20 loan 20 was at 11 percent
I paid all closing cost ( I took first offer of, the price was raised to offset most of the closing cost I paid)
NOD about 10 days ago
Neighbor tells me they did not pay the HOA even once and they moved out about a month ago.
NOD is on the exact amount of the 80 part of the loan.
He worked in some mortgage or bank in the FRAUD division.
His realtor was a friend of his that helped them move into the house.

Question, which part is ironic.

Comment by JP
2008-06-12 12:37:07

That the HOA thought their fees would help maintain home values?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-12 13:40:31

Paying their closing costs?

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2008-06-12 14:52:44

Ironic would be his realtor-friend helping him move back OUT!

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-12 11:43:44

Getting $40 million for playing poker, and bluffing on a busted flush, jack high?

Priceless

“The developments mark a stark reversal of fortune for Lehman and for Mr. Fuld, its longtime chairman and chief executive. Mr. Fuld earned accolades - and more than $40 million in 2007 - for steering Lehman through tumultuous markets last year and, two months ago, he proclaimed that ‘the worst is over’ in the markets.”

Comment by neuromance
2008-06-12 13:00:31

Not to worry, I’m confident they will get multimillion dollar severance packages, so that their children and grandchildren won’t have to work if they don’t want to.

It’s in their contract after all.

 
 
Comment by polly
2008-06-12 11:48:32

I occasionally see an episode of House Hunters, or at least the last 10-15 minutes of it. I know the eps they show at 7:30 are supposed to be repeats, but I am sure there was a time when the repeats were close in time to the current date (in 2006, it would be a 2006 or 2005 episode, not a 2002 episode). Now? They are always showing old episodes. 2005 is a favorite year. Perhaps the show just hasn’t been on that long, so there never were any 2002 episodes to air, but I also bet the NAR really likes them to repeat episodes when Suzanne Wong can say it is a tight market without her head exploding.

Comment by I am Sam
2008-06-12 13:01:28

I swear I saw an HGTV show two nights ago spouting about the aswesome market in Las Vegas, showing planes and casinos and luxury, some @#$%^&* a-%^ talking about how its real estate is booming. I’m serious, two nights ago… I really don’t know how FB’s haven’t formed a class action suit against HGTV. Any possibility of that? They’re HORRIBLE.

Comment by Mole Man
2008-06-12 16:23:48

Horrible or just trendy? It is likely they will transition over time to show more practical things such as how to remove granite countertops and how to convert space from a big gourmet kitchen with eating space and room for entertaining into additional bedrooms and baths for multiunit conversion. Progress is often not pretty.

 
 
Comment by NotInMontana
2008-06-12 13:04:00

They had them in 2002. Used to drive me crazy because back then they wouldn’t tell you prices and wouldn’t even say what part of the country they were in.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-12 11:56:40

“The FBI traditionally has moved investigators to address urgent needs, he said. About 150 agents were working on more than 1,300 mortgage cases before the change. ‘If you’re seeing a significant crime problem, you have to move resources,’ Carter said yesterday. ‘We’ve got a big problem with mortgage fraud.’”
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If only the G-Men had been on the case when mortgage fraud was taking place?

Comment by climber
2008-06-12 12:54:09

‘And the fact that real estate prices kept going up washed away the sin.

But rising prices washed away the “sins”, so it wasn’t really a crime, right? Government encouraged the fraud on the way up, it was good for their tax base.

Comment by combotechie
2008-06-12 13:10:38

Plus the growing house equity could be tapped and spent to make the economy humm along.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-06-12 15:38:05

“At the FBI, white-collar fraud became less of a priority when President George W. Bush ordered the agency to concentrate on national security after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Lawmakers have also criticized the Bush administration for reducing funding for crime fighting.”

“It comes as no surprise that law enforcement is spread too thin to cover all the bases,” Senator Joseph Biden, a Delaware Democrat and member of the Judiciary Committee, which oversees the FBI, said in an e-mailed statement. “Over the past several years, the administration has reassigned as many as 2,400 FBI agents from fighting crime to combating terrorism without replacing them.”

Given the vast number of terrorism cases they successful prosecuted (said dripping with sarcasm), they’ve obviously been far too busy to investigate mortgage fraud. Or maybe they’ve simply been too busy spying on the political enemies of W under the guise of combating terrorism.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-06-12 11:57:14

“One measure of the increase: Last fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30, the FBI received almost 47,000 so-called Suspicious Activity Reports detailing potential mortgage crimes, a 31 percent jump over the previous year. In the first half of 2008, there already have been 38,000 reports.”

“While the FBI says it’s impossible to measure the amount of money lost from mortgage frauds, a study it issued in May said 7 percent of last year’s Suspicious Activity Reports provided loss amounts, which totaled more than $813 million. That number “is just the tip of the iceberg,” Kaiser said at the time.”

Seven percent of the reports listed losses of $813M. If the other 93 percent had similar losses, that would be losses of around $6B. That’s just for the 2007 reports.

Comment by JRinUT
2008-06-12 13:37:21

“That’s just for the 2007 reports.”

And probably only attributed to the blatant fraud.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-06-12 11:57:31

“No one knows when the credit crisis will end. But when it does, U.S home prices may have lost a third of their value, high-yield bond valuations will hit levels close to those seen during the last recession, and what may amount to $1 trillion of Wall Street losses may translate into almost $4 trillion of lost access to capital.”

How about this: the credit crisis will end when Wall Street finishes fessing up to $1 trillion in losses and housing prices are down by a third, restoring affordability.

It could be strung out for three years, or it could happen next month. Everyone seems to be hoping for the three years.

Comment by polly
2008-06-12 12:11:21

I thought 1 trillion of Wall Street losses translated to about 10 trillion of lost access to capital? I’d actually like to see an explanation of how you get from actual losses to lost access to capital. If you follow the losses all the way down you get to a hedge fund (gobs and gobs of leverage) or to a 401K (better not be too much leverage) or to a university endowment (not leveraged unless they want to pay taxes or they have structured it off shore through a blocker corporation), etc. Commercial banks are the 10 to 1 ratios, but they are mostly dealing with the commercial loans, since they have been selling the mortgages, right?

Where does the 4 to 1 ratio come from?

Comment by turnoutthelights
2008-06-12 12:18:13

Multiplier effect of fractional banking. Lending on the deposits of previously lent money. Which is why increasing the ratios reduces hot money (ala the current Chinese attempt)

Comment by polly
2008-06-12 15:34:59

No. The multiplier effect of fractional banking gets you to 9 to 1 or maybe 10 to one because the reserve requirements are 10%. Where does the 4 to 1 come from?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 12:24:28

The longer they drag out the correction, the more falling knife catchers can be enticed to relieve Wall Street of a piece of its bad gambling debt. A fast correction to affordable home prices would leave Megabank, Inc holding most of the bag.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 12:46:23

I’m afraid you’re right again, PB. It’s all a scam to keep investors from stuffing their mattresses with cash, which is what would happen if they really knew just how bad the losses really are. The TAF yield spread on lending on high interest rate loans is their only real cash cow, now that the sovereign funds have pulled back.

Some people think this is “bringing capital to the United States”. LMAO!

 
Comment by neuromance
2008-06-12 13:10:54

Very interesting observation, spot on I think.

Virtually everyone who has some interest in real estate is parroting the line, “It’s a buyer’s market”. I mean, it’s like 1984 Duckspeak, it’s amazing. A social meme is what it seems to be.

Yet the asset will still be depreciating for some time to come. After a go-go runup in an asset, it’s just not going to happen again for some time, after the price decline starts, IMO.

It’s like the stock cheerleaders, cheerleading the NASDAQ all the way down. But this time, instead of the F’ed stock owners trading money with each other all the way down, the knifecatchers will be funnelling money to the financial industry.

Wow, maybe those executives in the financial industry do deserve the massive paychecks they get. They know what politicians’ palms to grease, how to get tax money funnelled to them, and how to extract maximum value out of the FB, despite making (what seems to me) to be incredibly irresponsible bets.

Reprehensible. But impressive I guess.

 
 
 
Comment by turnoutthelights
2008-06-12 12:13:42

If the rules are approved, ratings agencies wouldn’t be allowed to help structure the bond deals that they rate…

Boy, that’s such a tough call at regulatory enforcement.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-06-12 12:43:04

“The Securities and Exchange Commission voted Wednesday to propose tightening rules for credit-rating firms”

Voted to propose?…Hey Crissy, boy you’re goin’ scare the dickens out of folks with lightening enforcement action like that…you’ve moved 2 weeks closer to your one way U-haul rental back to Newport Beach come this January.

“He said the fact that ratings firms sometimes advised issuers of such securities on how to structure them was ‘a triple-A conflict of interest’”

Was he wearing his Banana Republic Hawaiian shirt from Fascist Island when gave that statement? Hey Crissy, read the post-it-note from Shrub…”you’re doin’ a heck of a job.” ;-)

Comment by SDGreg
2008-06-12 15:49:45

Nice effort by Chairman Cox to put a door on the hen house after the last chicken’s been eaten. Typical oversight you’d expect of a W appointee.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-12 12:17:24

Goodbye crueler world…

“Ryssdal: ‘Gotta love that after billions lost in the subprime squeeze, it comes down to coffee and donuts, right?’ Scott: ‘That’s right.’”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-12 13:46:22

Wouldn’t that be cruller world?

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-06-12 12:22:09

If anyone had doubts that pension and retiree health care obligations are about to lead to state and local government bankruptcies on a large scale, here is the proof.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=anbsymTjM_uo&refer=home

“Moody’s announced today it will ‘transition our public finance ratings to our global scale” after decades of holding municipal bonds to a higher standard.”

Sure, they’ll all be AAA.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 12:51:21

I don’t trust Moodys. Changing their scale means nothing without a more thorough vetting process and some kind of punishment that holds them accountable for market manipulation.

More gov’t regulation is always bad? I don’t see any other way.

Comment by climber
2008-06-12 13:00:56

“‘It is frustrating,’ Orsburn said. But Orsburn is on the wrong side of the silver lining with her home losing value. She said summer plans to move are indefinitely shifted.”

“‘We didn’t have to move. We’re OK with staying where we are. We’ve been very lucky,’ she said.”

What a dope. My wife and I are moving this summer. Dropping prices are even better than flat prices. We’ll sell our house, bank the cash and rent a place while we find a place we like better.

When prices were rising we couldn’t accumulate funds fast enough to keep up with rising house prices. Now that prices have started declining it’s a good time to take advantage of the down slope. It’s like letting gravity do your work for you.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-06-12 15:51:04

“More gov’t regulation is always bad? I don’t see any other way.”

Ya know NSO, this morning I was thinking that on the surface I can see why increasing gov regulation would freak people out. But I couldn’t figure out, after the business environment has turned into an “all-about-me, screw everyone free for all”, how we could possibly put that genie back into the bottle w/o some governing body.

OTOH then we have to trust the governing body.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 19:44:59

CarrieAnn,

I think people would respect the gov’t more if it played by its own rules.

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Comment by Gulfstream-sitter
2008-06-12 12:24:17

Player: “Dumb-ass Bankers for $500″

Alex Trebec: “A recently proved financial theory, which states that if you destroy the financial underpinnings of poor, and middle class citizens, you will eventually destroy the financials of wealthy individuals and corporations…..”

Player: The “Trickle-Up Theory”?

Alex: “Ohhhhhhhhh, close, but no. The answer is “Demand-Side Economics”……..

Comment by diogenes (Tampa)
2008-06-12 14:05:49

Very funny. and clever.
Thanks for the laugh!!

 
Comment by Gulfstream-sitter
2008-06-12 14:17:21

Thornburg “……3.3 Billion first quarter loss…..”we’re really not originating any new loans right this minute”…….”

Player: “Imploding Mortgage Lenders for $200″

Alex Trebec: “The procedure performed on Thornburg Mortgage Inc. during the first quarter of 2008.”

Player: “What is the ‘Joshua Tree Treatment?’ “

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 15:15:52

LoL. Demand side economics will be the counterweight to rising oil prices. Relative changes in demand are small relative to the slight dips in supply. But prices keep rising…it can ONLY be due to speculation.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 12:26:42

“While the Orsburns moved to Riverwalk in Bellevue for friendly surroundings, Carla Orsburn said every time she looks around, she sees neglect. She is looking at the 24 unfinished homes and lots in Riverwalk that are going into foreclosure.”

Sounds like their Orses got burned alright.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-06-12 12:29:44

The koolaid drinkers are causing me a headache for trying to explain to them why they shouldn’t buy etc. an ongoing talk ala ‘Ground hogs day’..

Comment by combotechie
2008-06-12 13:21:05

Have them stare at a Credit Suisse ARM Reset chart for five minutes. If they don’t get it after that then just give it up and go pop yourself a beer.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-06-12 12:32:28

“People loved comedies during the Depression, too”

Yes, I’m laughing. ( It keeps me from crying )

I’d call it a morbid fascination, but you’re free to call it what you like.

Comment by mgnyc99
2008-06-12 12:54:14

GLAD TO SEE THAT BIG MORNING RALLY HELD UP

dow up like 10pts

anyone short the skf @ 130??

Comment by rayearth
2008-06-12 20:51:32

Yep! SKF has been good to me lately, up and down.

 
 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-12 14:45:07

They say the best humor comes from the blackest situations. Mark Twain is an example, he had endless financial problems, a lot of it from investing in inventions. His publishing house was a disaster financially. He went bankrupt, but eventually paid back all his debtors, even though he didn’t have to.

I wonder what he’d write about today…

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 17:01:27

Mark Twain owns a small B&B in the Bay Area with Ambrose Bierce, catering to wealthy Eurotrash. Elvis is their houseboy. Any reports of their death have been greatly exaggerated. 8)

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-12 17:35:13

LOL!!! I could see them starting a band with Elvis as drummer.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-12 18:47:00

I would have most liked to hang with Twain during his Virginia City, Nv. days…

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Fuzzy Bear
2008-06-12 12:49:38

But the ‘dirty little secret’ about fraud investigations is that many investigators don’t know how to examine loan files, the prosecutor said.”

The other secret is they are bringing in people who are former cops with business and finance educations to help examine the documents and find the fraud in properties that have foreclosed.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-12 12:57:34

For those of you about to walk, in Tennessee.

Some traveling music…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1TD-7k52y4

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-12 14:47:51

WOW!!! just beautiful - thanks for introducing me to another great one, Lad. :)

Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-12 18:50:21

She died of cancer before anybody really ever heard of her…

What a voice~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VK7pBoo5-M

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-12 19:47:59

I downloaded some of her stuff from iTunes, what a voice.

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Comment by Neil
2008-06-12 13:00:13

“Despite reducing prices by upwards of 20pc since last autumn, it seems that the hitherto bulletproof market for trophy coastal homes has fallen in a heap.”

Bloody hell. ;)

I like the dry humor of the British. Trophy homes are dropping globally…

This is huge shadenfreude

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 13:15:35

What’s so funny is that people wrapped up a ton of their retirement income in them. With the stock market likely to keep dropping, their liquidity is almost nil. If they were highly leveraged, they’ll likely lose everything.

Now they are stuck with these albatrosses, and in many cases their ‘retirement home’ will be the reason they have to keep working.

Comment by Otis Wildflower
2008-06-13 07:28:42

Now they are stuck with these albatrosses,

At least they come with wafers…

… Don’t they?

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-12 13:57:39

Could we borrow some of that colorful lingo? It’s been a bit gray on this side of the pond.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 13:11:53

BULLETIN
U.S. STOCKS CLOSE OFF DAY’S HIGHS AS OIL TURNS HIGHER LATE IN SESSION
FORECASTER OF THE MONTH
Raising rates would be crazy, forecaster says
Shepherdson says once-in-a-lifetime downturn has a long way to go
By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
Last update: 12:01 a.m. EDT June 12, 2008

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Federal Reserve would be crazy to raise interest rates in the opening stages of a once-in-a-lifetime economic downturn, top economic forecaster Ian Shepherdson said.
Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist for High Frequency Economics, won the MarketWatch Forecaster of the Month award for May, based on his accuracy in predicting 10 top economic indicators, competing against 44 of his peers. It was his fourth monthly honor in the contest that began in late 2003.

Shepherdson told MarketWatch in an interview that recovery will take much more time than most other analysts are forecasting because it’ll require a massive change in consumer behavior.

They’ve been ovespending (SIC)for 10 years,” he said. “It’s wildly implausible” that consumers will be able to resume their previous standard of living now that the flow of cheap credit has been cut off.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 13:23:24

“The Federal Reserve would be crazy to raise interest rates in the opening stages of a once-in-a-lifetime economic downturn, top economic forecaster Ian Shepherdson said.”

So by lowering interest rates, the Fed will find enough knifecatchers borrowers to keep the artificial economy afloat by allowing the banks to keep lending at rates that don’t factor in current market risk?

Sounds like he is contradicting everything else he said.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 16:00:52

Well, that worked out really well for Japan so why not ape them?

 
 
 
Comment by neuromance
2008-06-12 13:21:54

I saw that the SEC is trying to add more regulation to the credit rating market

The banking industry is resisting it.

And why should the SEC care? Except as a show to indicate that it is doing something?

The ratings are a product. If they are junk, no one will buy them. But people do seem to be buying them. So heck, I figured I might as well get into the business too. I’ll won’t do a worse job than Moody’s!
And those fees look pretty good to me.

 
 
Comment by jetson_boy
2008-06-12 13:38:10

“Due to the bankruptcy, dozens more homes from Brentwood to LaVergne are on the way to foreclosure. ‘We’ll be foreclosing on two complete subdivisions Friday the 13th,’ said Tom Lawless, who is representing one of the banks foreclosing on Corinthian properties.”

Brentwood, LaVergne, and Franklin are insanely overpriced for a Nashville suburb. Just last year, prices were around 350-500k in Franklin. The thing is that there’s nothing terribly remarkable about those neighborhoods over others that cost 1/3rd or 1/4th the price. I recall being on a city-data.com relocation site for Nashville and whenever someone from another area was asking about what areas were nice in Nashville, some RE agent on there would always pipe up and say how GREAT Franklin was. I wonder if that has a tiny part to do with why the prices there got so out of whack. I drove through it last year. Not impressed with it at all. You could live 10 minutes out and buy a house with land for a fraction of what the Mcmansions in Franklin cost.

Nice to see Middle TN start to fall. The sense of denial was high when I was there last time because everyone assumed that since it didn’t get as crazy as CA or Fl, that it was ok. That and surely every single person from FL was moving in tomorrow. The truth is that just 4 years ago, you could get a nice home in Nashville for 50k. The same homes are now 150k. BIG increase. Seems like a bubble doesn’t it?

 
Comment by takingbets
2008-06-12 14:09:40

great link for some behind the scene on wall street.

http://www.bis.org/publ/qtrpdf/r_qt0806.htm

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2008-06-12 14:48:39

“When banks take possession of a home, they’re not responsible for paying those fees, so that cost may be passed on to homeowners.”

Why wouldn’t the bank be responsible for paying the HOA dues? I thought all owners were responsible for paying them, and that the bank is the legal owner after the foreclosure process completes.

What gives?

Comment by Mo Money
2008-06-12 15:08:07

They were in NY, maybe it is state by state but my understanding was whoever “owned” the house had to pay HOA dues even it was at the time of sale or the HOA would have a lien on the property to tale care of of unpaid dues. I can assure you the buyer of a foreclosure isn’t paying them.

 
 
Comment by simiwatch
2008-06-12 15:15:47

What exactly is a “write down”?

Let me guess: a large loss! Or money what we don’t have that we thought we had that made our books look better last quarter so we could get a bonus last quarter and can no longer hide the turd under the carpet.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-12 15:22:10

Hey Simi,

It was great meeting you in Pasadena the other day!

Comment by simiwatch
2008-06-12 16:30:36

Ben:
Great meeting you as well and thanks for shining a light on all this dark madness.

Money comes and goes, but you never get back time. So thanks for all the the time you spend making this blog a success.

I don’t post as much as I would like, but I read it all everyday.

 
 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2008-06-12 15:57:04
 
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