June 12, 2008

The Stigma Is Gone In California

The San Diego Reader reports from California. “What’s the difference between National City and Rancho Santa Fe? Well - er, uh - money comes to mind. Last year, median household income in National City was $44,130, according to figures provided by the San Diego Association of Governments. That was far under the county median of $68,388. Another difference is that 70 percent of the homes currently listed for sale in National City are in distress.”

“The county’s problems ‘are mostly where entry-level housing is,’ says Brian Yui, chief executive of a discount real estate broker. The deceptive mortgages ‘gave people the ability to get in with nothing down, with payments artificially lowered for the first 12 to 18 months,’ says Carlos Aguilar, president of AXIA Real Estate, who specializes in foreclosures. ‘It was a house of cards that fell apart like a Ponzi scheme the minute [home price] appreciation stopped.’”

“Lemon Grove median family incomes are a subpar $60,050. Prices have plummeted 33.6 percent in the last 12 months. Yui’s figures indicate 70 percent of Lemon Grove homes now listed for sale are short sales or foreclosures. Nearby Spring Valley has incomes around $70,000. Prices there have plunged 38.3 percent over the past year.”

“A bit over 40 percent of homes on the market are short sales or foreclosures, about double the county average.”

“In Chula Vista, the higher-income areas are hurting more,” says Zulema Maldonado of Prudential Real Estate in EastLake. ‘They purchased big homes and started with loans that were interest-only’ or some other type in which the interest rate adjusted upward. ‘Otay Ranch is hurting the most. In 2003, prices were $400,000. They went up to $800,000 and are now back to $500,000.’”

“In the first quarter of this year, three times the number of San Diego County homeowners failed to pay their mortgages as during the first quarter of 2007. According to DataQuick, 8975 homeowners defaulted on their home loans, up from 3931 last year.”

“Saint Claire is a small subdivision at Otay Lakes Road and Saint Claire Drive, adjacent to EastLake. In late April, 21 homes in Saint Claire were in the early stages of foreclosure or had already been taken back by the bank.”

“A heavyset man doesn’t want to give his name responds in a thick Iraqi accent to a question as to why so many houses are for sale in his neighborhood.”

“‘Too many people buy houses when they have no money. We’ve never had this problem before, but now it’s all over…Nobody is buying because of the economy, you know. People are scared to buy a house now. Like that house,’ he says as he points across the street to a house for sale. ‘He bought for $800,000. Now he sells for $500,000. How’s he going to pay to the bank?’”

“The Saint Claire subdivision was built in the mid-’90s. Homes range in size from 1758-square-foot three-bedroom houses to 3100-square-foot houses with five bedrooms. Houses that once sold for $700,000 are now going for $400,000.”

“‘A lot of people are in the shit here,’ says 23-year-old Ryan Swierk. His family rents a house on Chateau Court that’s currently for sale. ‘I know our house isn’t one of them [a foreclosure], but the owner is in trouble, just like a lot of the other people in this neighborhood. This guy across the street, his house has been on and off the market for months.’”

“Doug Leeper, a code enforcement manager for the City of Chula Vista, says that he can easily tell which houses are in foreclosure.”

“‘Some of these homes sit vacant for 7 months, at least a minimum of 4 months, and in some cases as long as 12 months of sitting vacant before the lender even takes them back. Grass dies, the lenders let it overgrow; the pool goes green, because the lenders say, ‘It’s not our property yet.’ We call it the lender’s black hole,’ he said.”

The Tribune. “Paso Robles’ recently robust economy has slumped with the rest of the state and nation but seems likely to make an expeditious recovery, according to forecasters.”

“‘Paso Robles saw 810 home sales in 2004. We expect that the city will see 328 home sales in 2008. That about says it all,’ summarizes the forecast report, prepared by the UCSB Economic Forecast Project.”

“Steve Lohr, VP of planning and development for J. Lohr wines, said he believes the weakened U. S. dollar can have positive effects on Paso Robles’ wine industry.”

“‘We’re in a recession, but the good thing is that in a recession people don’t necessarily drink less wine. They just become more choosy about what wine they drink,’ Lohr said.”

The Daily Bulletin. “Troubled home builders hit hard by a busted Inland Empire housing market are looking for enormous breaks - 1990s recession-type breaks. And because sales incentives aren’t doing much to move inventory and cauterize developers’ bleeding balance sheets, it’s going to take some good ol’ fashion lawmaking to get those breaks.”

“Legislation that would let builders delay payment of local impact fees until their housing inventory is sold off is being considered by state legislators and touted by the California Building Industry Association.”

“‘The builders are trying to tie their impact to the payment of the impact service,’ said Barry Gross, president of an Irvine-based company hired by developers for financial evaluations.”

“Builders collectively shelled out millions of dollars into the framework behind these tentative maps during the real-estate rush. They’d lose almost every penny on their investments if the maps expire.”

“The death of either bill could force some home builders to go belly up, or at least bring them to their knees.”

The Press Enterprise. “Investors bought more foreclosed homes on the courthouse steps in California last month, reflecting a growing willingness of lenders to accept more deeply discounted bids, ForeclosureRadar reported Wednesday.”

“Despite more than 97 percent of the foreclosed properties being returned to the lender after auction, there was a 34.6 percent increase in properties purchased by third parties, which most likely were investors, the report said.”

“In Southern California, Riverside County saw the heftiest discounting, an average 27.5 percent, followed by San Bernardino County at 25 percent. Statewide, lenders discounted 86 percent of the foreclosed homes auctioned at an average 28 percent.”

“‘The increase in investor purchases at foreclosure auction is a welcome change,’ founder, Sean O’Toole said in a statement. ‘For too long, lenders were unrealistic about opening bids at auction. They finally seem to realize the magnitude of the problem and are beginning to discount accordingly.’”

‘Riverside County last month saw 3,564 foreclosed homes sold at auction, which was 269 percent more than in May 2007, while 2,648 homes were auctioned in San Bernardino County, up 322 percent from a year earlier.’

“In California, 25,523 foreclosed homes were auctioned in May, up 11.8 percent from April. Of those, 24,831 homes were retained by the lenders because they received no bid higher than the lender’s opening bid.”

The Modesto Bee Californian. “Finally there’s some good news on the foreclosure front: Northern San Joaquin Valley mortgage default rates seem to be stabilizing. During May, 3,333 mortgages went into default in the three counties, compared with 3,676 in April and 3,668 in March.”

“That would be welcome relief for the region’s depressed housing market, considering home values have plummeted more than 50 percent in some valley cities since 2005. New home construction has slowed to a trickle as foreclosed houses repossessed by banks have flooded the resale market.”

“‘It’s not just people with subprime loans losing their houses any more,’ said Martha Lucey, president of ByDesign Financial Solutions. Lucey said even homeowners with fixed-rate loans can face foreclosure if they encounter financial problems…because home values have declined so much they have no equity and can’t sell for what they owe.”

“Edward Parcaut, president of SourceOne Financial in Modesto, said many homeowners simply choose to walk away from their house, letting it fall into foreclosure.”

“‘They’re making a business decision. I’ve never seen so much detachment,’ Parcaut said about homeowners who accept foreclosure without shame. ‘The stigma is gone.’”

The San Mateo County Times. “The hotbeds for foreclosures statewide are the Central Valley and the Inland Empire in Southern California, but San Mateo County did not go unscathed.”

“Antonia Hernandez saw her monthly mortgage shoot up to $6,883 on a two-bedroom, one-bathroom house in Redwood City that she’s in danger of losing.”

“It went into foreclosure after the loan on the house reset. Hernandez, a housekeeper, and her husband, a refinery worker, originally paid $4,300 per month in mortgage payments when they purchased the house two years ago. Their combined monthly income is $5,400.”

“Hernandez and her husband live with six nephews in the house, and may have to walk away from it.”

“‘It was one of my biggest dreams to buy a house,’ said Hernandez. ‘It would be very hard to leave, but it makes me wake up at night thinking of the mortgage payment, and I don’t want to live in agony anymore.’”

“The family purchased the house for $775,000 with a subprime loan, and the interest rate adjusted upward. As of February, the Hernandezes stopped making payments because they could not afford them.”

“In San Mateo County, most of the foreclosures are in working-class neighborhoods in cities such as East Palo Alto, Daly City, South San Francisco and San Bruno. Parts of San Mateo, such as Shoreview, as well as portions of Redwood City and Menlo Park are also experiencing high rates of foreclosures.”

“Some 119 homes in San Mateo County were sold at foreclosure auctions in May. That was up from 35 in May 2007 and about the same as the 118 sold at auctions in April. Notices of default in the county climbed to 417 in May, up from 300 in April.”

“Around the Bay Area, Contra Costa County saw foreclosure auction sales jump fourfold, to 1,141. Santa Clara County foreclosure auction sales more than sixfold to 674, and auction sales tripled in Alameda County, to 754 in May.”

From Glamour. “In March 2005 Karla Hodges seemed to have her life impressively in order. Her nursing job paid $92,000 a year, and thanks to a liberal lending climate, her bank had preapproved her for a home mortgage of more than half a million dollars.”

“The then 32-year-old single mother, who’d struggled to put herself through school and raise a family in pricey Northern California, was feeling pretty good about things. She’d finally earned herself a piece of the American dream.”

“She settled on a 1924 Craftsman bungalow with a view of the water near the San Francisco Bay and a price tag of $432,000–a full $100,000 less than the amount she’d been approved for.”

“Along with the great view, Hodges says, the house also came with daunting monthly payments of $2,363, but she wasn’t worried. She’d been given the loan, she made a good living, her job was stable, and in the bubble economy of 2005, the common assumption was that all real estate investments were good ones. Moreover, her bank was making the purchase less onerous by allowing her to finance the entire house with no down payment required.”

“Two years later she had to tell her boys they were moving. “I called the lender and said, ‘This house is eating me alive. I want out,’ she says. Her credit was ruined and her savings account was empty. Her voice mail overflowed with messages from her mortgage lender, and she felt incredibly stressed and anxious.”

“Emotionally exhausted, Hodges let the bank take over the house.”

“Hodges found a rental that is far more luxuriously appointed than the house she owned. It has three bedrooms and a fireplace. And while she never was able to put her coveted swing set behind her old place, the rental house just happens to have a jungle gym on the fenced-in lawn.”

“‘This has always been my dream,’ says Hodges, standing in her kitchen and looking out into her backyard. ‘A sliding glass door leading out to a yard that my children could play in. I dreamed of opening the door and saying to the kids, ‘Why don’t you go outside for a little while?’ And look what I have here: a sliding glass door.’”

The Associated Press. “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, asked Thursday about fellow California Democratic Rep. Laura Richardson’s multiple home defaults, said that ‘every member of Congress is responsible for living up to the highest ethical standards.’”

“Late last month reports emerged that Richardson, a former state Assemblywoman and member of the Long Beach City Council, had lost her Sacramento home to foreclosure and has two other homes in Southern California that have fallen into default six times.”

“Last week the Long Beach Press-Telegram reported that Richardson had also left car repair bills unpaid.”

“California Assembly Speaker Karen Bass also addressed the Richardson situation Thursday during a visit to Washington. Bass and other Assembly leaders had endorsed Richardson’s congressional bid but Bass told reporters she’d had no idea about Richardson’s financial issues.”

“‘Given the rapid pace of all of that I can understand the financial difficulties, but now more is coming out,’ Bass said.”

The Sacramento Union. “Rep. Richardson sees herself caught in the maws of voracious lenders and a cruel capitalistic system that have forced others like her out of their homes.”

“‘I think this is what many Americans are unfortunately facing right now,’ she told the Los Angeles area’s Daily Breeze. ‘…I can take what I have learned from this to help somebody else. Many people are one step away from issues that are life-changing moments. When a person moves across the country, that is a life-changing moment.’”

“Partly to blame, she says, is the measly salary she is forced to accept to serve there. Alas, $170,000 a year just does not go as far as it used to.”

“It did not go far enough, at least, to cover mortgage payments on three houses she held simultaneously. According to Richardson, that must have been someone else’s fault - probably yours and mine - for not seeing to it that she had an adequate salary. It must also have been someone else’s fault that she bought three houses instead of one.”

“The Daily Breeze reported that in March she had fallen behind by $12,400 on her San Pedro home payments and by $19,900 on her Long Beach home. She owed more than $570,000 on her Sacramento home when it went into foreclosure. She says she was unaware the house had been auctioned and contends that the sale was ‘improper.’”

“The truth is that the Congresswoman is a failed speculator. She flipped houses as the housing bubble was popping and her bets have come due. Now she wants some sympathy and, yes, a bailout.”




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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 15:39:06

“Partly to blame, she says, is the measly salary she is forced to accept to serve there. Alas, $170,000 a year just does not go as far as it used to.”

If you don’t like the salary, why don’t you just quit and find work that pays you what you’re worth?

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-06-12 15:52:51

I could make $170K go pretty far. Thanks for the offer, I accept the job.

 
Comment by Shizo
2008-06-12 15:55:06

$170K??? I’d retire in less than 10 years with that kind of dough rolling in. Loser. There may be small eyes reading this- so I’ll refrain from typing what I’d really like to say about this b^tch.

She makes 4X what I do. I am a public servant. She is a public THIEF. With the law on her side. My ass is chapped from reading her spew.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 15:58:42

I could say it for you if you like. :-)

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-06-12 16:35:44

Fo shnizzle Shizo! The politician makes 4x me too.

This story reminds me of a quote I once saw etched into a dive bar’s bathroom stall - something about politicians, businessmen, entrails, and lamposts.

 
Comment by Deflationary Jane
2008-06-12 17:03:54

4X what I make too as a public servant (thought that is about to change) and have a higher education then her. Chaps my hide too.

There are momments when elected officials say the damnest things and they then spend the next few years trying to undo the damage. This is one of those times. I bet her handlers are having a fit. Just wait, this is about to get better and better. I really wish some of my old school political operative relatives were still alive so I get the dirt before it hits the newsstand.

Comment by formerlahomeowner
2008-06-12 17:51:31

What kind of higher education did you obtain? Nothing personal but based on your grammar and spelling, it was not high enough.

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Comment by Blano
2008-06-12 17:53:50

Totally uncalled for, you freakin’ moron.

 
Comment by Deflationary Jane
2008-06-12 18:12:14

bleh don’t bother me while I’m channeling Joyce >; )

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-12 18:14:16

You tell em Blano.

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 18:35:56

Woo hoo! Fight, fight! Bitter FB against long-time HBBer. My bets are on DefJ.

 
Comment by Deflationary Jane
2008-06-12 18:47:27

LOLOL thanks guys - I am honestly humbled

I feel all rants must certain amount of typos or they lack cadence. Just waiting for someone to inject a Godwin’s Law epithet and the thread will be complete.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-06-12 20:17:53

if you insist..

oh look.. A spell-nazi.

 
Comment by think_first
2008-06-12 22:12:37

All I’m saying is….If you’re gonna throw stones, make sure you’re not in a glass house…(”than” not “then”)…

 
Comment by Mike in Carlsbad
2008-06-12 22:14:42

Reminds me of another asshat, NBA player, Latrell Sprewell. After turning down a three-year $21million dollar contract extension in 2004, insulted with the offer he told the media he turned it down because “he has a family to feed”. BTW he is still unemployed and his home is in foreclosure.

Amazing how many players are broke 5 years out of the league:
http://tinyurl.com/42gow6

$170k? I thought that quote was from The Onion, no elected official could possibly be so arrogant in public. I have a special habanero pepper enema waiting for her.

 
Comment by formerlahomeowner
2008-06-12 22:29:25

“If you’re gonna throw stones…”

Exactly my point. If you want to insult somebody because they make more money than you do with a lower education, make sure that you have no faults.

Who cares? I’m a freakin’ moron and a bitter FB. I guess you cannot tell from my username that I don’t own a house. Geniuses all over this board.

 
Comment by sf jack
2008-06-12 22:33:06

When I post in a big hurry here or on other blogs, I have been known to mispell and leave out words.

I thought others might realize this - or perhaps I should be more concerned about this?

*****

As for Shizo being a public servant at pay 1/4 that of Ms. Richardson’s measly $170K per annum… it must be that the former is not a public servant in San Francisco…

In the Land Of The Fatcat Public Servant, 8,180 of them make more than $100,000 a year, sucking through a city budget of $6.5 billion, or spending $8,125 per city resident.

What do citizens receive for $8,125 of spending per resident?

I bet Shizo would give us better a better city!!

 
Comment by SaladSD
2008-06-12 23:04:30

Yeah, when somebody says “nothing personal”, watch out, full slag ahead. Though that was pretty much out of left field. Oops, arghh, too many colloquialisms, I must be a ‘tard.

 
Comment by deflationaryjane
2008-06-12 23:14:49

SF,
It’s interesting to me how large the disparity can be. I flat out didn’t believe it until I did some research. It’s huge.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-12 23:43:30

‘I’m a freakin’ moron and a bitter FB. I guess you cannot tell from my username that I don’t own a house. Geniuses all over this board.’

Who cares if you own a house? And no one here claims to be a ‘genius’. You must be thinking of mensahousingbubble.blogspot.ru. Wasn’t it a boy in the fable who saw the emperor wore no clothes?

This reminds me of the guy who gets bent out of shape over your versus you’re. But if I was some Blackberry clicking fool using ‘ur’ I’d be OK. Still, I agree with the spelling of moron. And I’ll insult whoever I think deserves it; it’s a blog. get it?

 
Comment by deflationaryjane
2008-06-13 00:10:49

Between “mensahousingbubble.blogspot.ru” and “oh look.. A spell-nazi” and “full slag ahead”, someone owes me a new monitor >; )

Y’all crack me the hell up. I just can’t find the post that Ben is quoting. It doesn’t show on my screen.

Btw Ben, you sure are up late. Dude, get some sleep. There will be plenty of morons tomorrow too. The universe never seems to run out.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-13 00:32:34

Actually, I made the mistake of putting my head on a pillow at 7 and woke up at 11. I’ll crash soon.

 
 
Comment by joesixpack
2008-06-13 13:06:09

Yesturdey I coon’t spell geneeus, now I are one.

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Comment by Mr. Fester
2008-06-13 13:58:59

Amen Shizo,

I don’t know how these whining, wheedling politicos ever get elected…wait…oh yea…

 
 
Comment by reuven
2008-06-12 15:55:20

I really hope Congress acts quickly to expel her. She’s pure evil!

Comment by wmbz
2008-06-12 16:13:24

That would be the correct thing to do, however I’ll bet she will be one of the few that truly gets bailed out, some how or the other, by the taxpayer.

Of course the bugger eyed one, Peloci is a multi-millionaire perhaps she can help a sister out.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-12 16:13:26

She should be skinned with a potato peeler, marinated in red wine vinegar, and roasted on a spit.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 16:17:38

But she would taste horrible after all that effort so why bother? :-D

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Comment by spike66
2008-06-12 16:21:25

Isn’t this why we have secret prisons? No fuss,no muss, let’s just have her “rendered” to some secret little dungeon operated by the State dept. in Bulgaria.

 
Comment by lostangels
2008-06-12 16:28:13

Great idea. I will even pitch in $100 for her plane ticket…or boat fare…or…

 
Comment by az_lender
2008-06-12 19:09:38

Alas, with the decision of the Supremes today, she’d be out in no time flat on a writ of habeas corpus.

 
Comment by Diplomatbob
2008-06-12 20:05:42

The CIA runs the prisons, the State Department pretends it knows nothing about them. Key difference.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-06-12 22:25:19

$100 plane fare…fo schnizzle, considering the types I am seeing in airports, that is the general amount I see standing around waiting for their flights. The only difference between airlines in coach and buses are free cokes. Sheesh. Where do these people get all their money to travel.
I guess I mean all those children. The ones with matching colored shirts. Children are nice, but when did the parents decide to not discipline these offspring?
When I was a kid…we crammed into buses for trips…

Road Warrior.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-06-12 22:27:55

A little off topic, but here in Dublin and the topic all over the news with all talking heads is the enormous rise in gas prices, the cost of food and so on.

Really has come to roost in all countries.
But, you know our MSM won’t subscribe to telling the truth.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-06-12 22:29:04

Meant to nest that below, much later. Sorry.

 
 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 17:13:30

To the contrary, she just won the Democratic primary in her district, and there is reportedly no ‘credible’ Republican challenger, so she has a safe seat.

Comment by combotechie
2008-06-12 19:59:56

“… and there is reportably no ‘credible’ Republican challenger, so she has a safe seat.”

Hmmm … a window of exploitation may be at hand.

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Comment by deflationaryjane
2008-06-13 00:22:48

Quit stroking your goatee while sporting that evil grin, you’ll frighten the poor unsuspecting voters >; )

 
 
 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 17:12:05

That salary is more than enough to live quite well in Sacramento. It’s more than enough to live quite well in Silicon Valley or San Francisco, too. Trick is, you gotta rent. And only one.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 17:52:37

Agreed. Same for the UWS.

And if you’re older and have savings, you should have no problems paying for a vacation rental, say, twice a year either.

$170K is a lot of money. Even in high-tax states, after 401k, etc. that should be something like $7K+ a month. If you have trouble with that, you’re doing something wrong.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 20:04:53

$170K in NYC is like $70K everywhere else :(

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Comment by rick
2008-06-13 10:37:41

And this is the lesson she learned? (For a moment I thought it was financial responsibility.) Who voted for her must feel like a dumb ass right now, together they can play dumb and dummer.

She represents all that is wrong about California, dumb politicians who does not have personal OR state financial responsibility, wasting tax payer’s money while complaining her fat paycheck is too little, and those keep voting them into office!

 
 
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Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 17:39:08

I have to sign in to read the whole thing.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 19:09:27

Here’s a link to the same article.

If they are going to syndicate it, they might as well just put it on their website. MSM Morons!

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-06-12 19:58:36

what i do is copy a small, random section of the article… including a peculiar word or two helps.. like:

That all but eliminates the automatic indexation features of the
Put quotes around it ” ” and plug that into Google search.
Nine times out of ten several alternative links to the full article appear. In this example, only one appears.. the same one pussycat noted.

 
 
 
Comment by joe momma
2008-06-12 15:54:12

“A heavyset man doesn’t want to give his name responds in a thick Iraqi accent to a question as to why so many houses are for sale in his neighborhood.”

“‘Too many people buy houses when they have no money. We’ve never had this problem before, but now it’s all over…Nobody is buying because of the economy, you know. People are scared to buy a house now. Like that house,’ he says as he points across the street to a house for sale. ‘He bought for $800,000. Now he sells for $500,000. How’s he going to pay to the bank?’”

Leave it up to an Iraqi to point out, in crystal clear language, exactly what the problem is.

Comment by catspit1
2008-06-12 16:02:04

Hello, he isn’t going to pay the bank. Couldn’t if he wanted to. Why did the bank give him the 800K? Like giving my ex a nice bottle of Pinot Grigio and telling her to keep it chilled…

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 16:19:19

LOL

That was funny.

 
 
Comment by gab
2008-06-13 08:55:31

I call bs on this one - an “Iraqi” accent? How is that different from any other Arab accent? The writer had to know the guy was Iraqi before he quoted him.

 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 15:54:15

…because sales incentives aren’t doing much to move inventory and cauterize developers’ bleeding balance sheets, it’s going to take some good ol’ fashion lawmaking to get those breaks.”

Ahem, these are the same builders who were pandering the municipalities for “incentives” when the housing bubble was inflating their capital to monstrous proportions. Just like any crack addict, the only cure for what ails you is more free money, right?

I hate to break it to you, but the cure for any addiction involves withdrawal and rebuilding your life.

Comment by SDGreg
2008-06-12 18:01:45

“Builders collectively shelled out millions of dollars into the framework behind these tentative maps during the real-estate rush. They’d lose almost every penny on their investments if the maps expire.”

“The death of either bill could force some home builders to go belly up, or at least bring them to their knees.”

No bailout for the big builders. Let every last one of these bastards go belly up. The next generation of new house buyers will be much better off if most of the current big builders go away forever.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 20:06:54

KB homes has supposedly turned over a new leaf. They have actually rejected McMansions, according to an article I read recently. They want to be known again as the company that builds affordable homes, just like during their humble beginnings in the 1950s.

Comment by SDGreg
2008-06-12 23:00:15

I read the same article. However, the “downsized” houses still had 2000sf, 5 bedrooms, and cost over $200K - in Beaumont!
That’s still a large house, though not as large as the giant 4000sf, 7 bedroom, $400K+ houses they were building in that area previously. They’re still far from jobs and services and are built no differently from the earlier McMansions. It’s better, but not nearly enough.

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Comment by WantsOut
2008-06-12 15:56:58

Brother in Oceanside. Koolaid drinker. Anyone care to offer an unbiased evaluation?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 16:03:42

Besides the fact that your brother’s financial life is toasted, and which brand of marshmallows do we recommend for toasting with the fire?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-06-12 17:20:54

Add some graham crackers and chocolate and we have smores :)

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 17:55:29

Yes, but which brands?

For chocolate, I vote for Valrhona, or if we want to be in the spirit of California, Scharffenberger. :-D

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Comment by SaladSD
2008-06-12 16:45:23

Send him the SD Reader article for a start. Has a section on Oceanside.

Comment by George Sd Renter
2008-06-12 17:45:34

We refer to it as OceanSlime.

Comment by Starve_the_Agents
2008-06-12 18:34:04

Maybe we can call it OceanSlide now…

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Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 17:17:16

Oceanside has always been a bit of a ghetto. Is he sure he wants to live there?

Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-06-12 17:38:09

V, it’s not a ghetto at all. There are some very nice areas.
I especially like the ghetto area with the two million dollar beach front homes. My kind of ghetto.

Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 17:40:09

Those houses are not really worth $2 million. Oceanside is not the best of the coastal counties.

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Comment by mikey
2008-06-12 18:46:17

Millions plus for California oceanfront views and massive egos. How many people actually use the ocean for SWIMMING?

Sheesh…There are hungry sharks in and out of those waters :)

 
Comment by Rally
2008-06-12 19:56:25

“Sheesh…There are hungry sharks in and out of those waters”

And the scary part is they all have real estate licenses.

I’ve visited Oceanside - On the west of 5, nice little town (the part that is actually on the side of the Ocean). The East side, not so much.

Overpriced, but if I was ever able to match the price of housing with what I could make in the area I think I could be happy in Oceanside.

 
Comment by Suzy K
2008-06-12 21:31:11

JUST ‘east’ of HWY 5 the areas in O’side are old and rather run down. On the west side forget it with the SOLE exception of the bigger homes right on the blufftops (just before you get to the lagoon) These are nice and so are the condos near Robert’s Cottages on the beach. Seriously, how ’bout those apts. and run down homes & cottages around O’side high ……Michigan, Washington, Minnisota Wisconsin, Nevada avenues, Tremont St., Ditmar, Clementine …sorry ain’t no way I’d live there. Hell the North County Times can’t even get anyone to deliver the paper in these areas.

That said you have to realize that O’side is a pretty decent size city of 145,000 or so. Once you go inland about a mile or two, you get to a lot of newer areas. We owned a new house in E. Oceanside near Mesa/No. Santa Fe & Guajome Lake from 1998 to 2004. These are all newer neighborhoods for the most part and well kept up with nice parks like MLK on Mesa. We had nice views of Sleeping Indian and agricultural areas of Fallbrook. Yeah this area has it’s share of annoying ‘gated’ communities (though nothing like Vista’s Shadowridge area). There are lots of landscaped medians and /or planted areas adjacent to the ‘main’ streets like Mesa/Old Grove/College (north). No homes faces these main streets either. I have to say that house in O’side was very quiet, especially at night, except for those evil sounding coyotes (Ok and our sometimes wild pool parties) because we were not particularily close to any highways back there. It was even quieter than here in Half Moon Bay if you’re within six blocks of Highway 1. Too bad we couldn’t ‘blend’ with natives down in So Cal. Too many haters for us to endure (and work for). Of course the BEST thing about So Cal was that we bought low and sold high…

 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-06-12 22:32:36

Living in Oceanside in the 70s on Sunset Cliffs, we used to call OB the armpit of SD.
Was there in Nov and hasn’t changed much, just lots more BIGBOX stores.Chain restaurants/fast food joints.
Nothing charming. But yes, the 2mill Mcmansions are okeydokey.

 
Comment by CHILIDOGGG
2008-06-12 23:16:08

From my days in America’s Finest City, I recall OB was Ocean Beach, MB Mission Beach, and PB Pacific Beach.

 
Comment by Snowman
2008-06-13 08:19:19

desert

OB is Ocean Beach, and that is where Sunset Cliffs is, so either you lived in Ocean Beach in the 70s and did too many drugs or….?

I would agree that OB in the 70s was a bad place, bikers/drugs/crime, ..go to Sunset Cliffs area now…multi million dollar mansion on the cliffs.

 
 
 
Comment by amoney
2008-06-12 18:36:56

Oside is fairly ghetto - even around those beach houses - but it has some of the finest beaches in SoCal. Big, wide, plenty of sand, good waves for all levels of ability. Most of the beaches south of Oside are losing sand more and more every year it seemed when I lived there, thanks largely to the building of retaining walls to protect houses on cliffs, thereby preventing the natural erosion process. Couple that with reduced rain and hence flow from the lagoons/rivers like San Dieguito and your beaches start to disappear.

Comment by Hazard
2008-06-12 21:56:05

Hmmm, but they do have wild pool parties. Something to be said for a GOOD wild pool party.

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Comment by Suzy K
2008-06-12 22:28:39

Yeah top shelf tequila, inviting pool and a warm August night..there are photos I hear….

 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-06-12 22:34:29

After the Doobie bros, I hear there was Streaking at the local Ihop in the 70s. I dont’ recall.

 
Comment by catspit1
2008-06-12 22:39:16

How exciting. Post `em up then.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Rintoul
2008-06-13 10:52:43

Toast?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2008-06-12 16:02:56

It’s past time to stop this insanity, it won’t make one damn bit of difference what the D.C. cabal do, the unwinding will pick up speed and many decapitations will be left in the wake…

“Antonia Hernandez saw her monthly mortgage shoot up to $6,883 on a two-bedroom, one-bathroom house in Redwood City that she’s in danger of losing.”

“It went into foreclosure after the loan on the house reset. Hernandez, a housekeeper, and her husband, a refinery worker, originally paid $4,300 per month in mortgage payments when they purchased the house two years ago. Their combined monthly income is $5,400.”

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 16:07:36

Redwood City? $6,883 a month?

You could get a Classic Six on the UWS for that money.

This is frakkin’ classic. (That reference is for you, OlyGal!)

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-06-12 17:27:59

But, but, but she is paying to live in the “Climate Best By Government Test.” True this is Redwood City motto.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 17:45:45

Holy frakkin’ crap! I thought you were having me on.

I looked it up and what do you know?

LOL

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-06-12 17:50:39

FPSS,

I would never try to put one over you. I know when to fold. ;)

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 18:01:06

I must meet up with the Bay Arians when I’m there next, most likely, October.

We can even meet up in Shallow Alto to fulfill the true potential of the schadenfreude.

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 18:39:46

I’ll make sure to bring my pepper spray.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 18:44:30

I’ll keep my lawyer on speed dial. ;-)

 
 
 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 16:12:43

Their combined monthly income is $5,400.”

Is that before or after taxes?

“Hernandez and her husband live with six nephews in the house, and may have to walk away from it.”

I guess renting the spare bedroom isn’t an option. If they are school-aged, neither is putting them to work.

The bank deserves to go belly up for making these kinds of loans.

Comment by Starve_the_Agents
2008-06-12 18:46:00

That’s 8 peple living in a two bedroom, ONE bath home…

I betcha that commode seat never gets cold…

“As of February, the Hernandezes stopped making payments because they could not afford them.”

Isn’t the proper term for a group of 8 Hernandezes refered to as “Hernandese”?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 19:02:27

Holy moly! I missed the part about the size.

$775K for a two-bd 1-bath home with 8 people in it.

Does anyone realize how much money $775K really is?

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

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Comment by az_lender
2008-06-12 19:13:27

Next boomlet: chamber pots.

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Comment by milkcrate
2008-06-12 19:07:13

Yeah, you would think in a state where they regulate landscaping plants, air emissions from *new* cars and where some school districts accuse you of violating truancy laws if someone goes on vacation… they could at least publicize what might be a good loan or a bad loan.
And no, I rarely if ever call for more government.
The question, I guess, is if people can protect peeps from their own ignorance forever. Or whether they should.
It’s the Greed Factor run amok.
Payback time.

Comment by cactus
2008-06-12 20:49:22

“where some school districts accuse you of violating truancy laws if someone goes on vacation…”

they just make you pay what they don’t receive from the government, money hungry state act like they are starving to death on 170K per year

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Comment by reuven
2008-06-12 16:41:30

That interest rate she’s paying is about 9.75%! It could have adjusted up that high and/or she has a second that she neglected to mention….

 
Comment by James
2008-06-12 17:20:46

They bought a home at greater than 10X income. What the heck was supposed to happen here? Crazy lending was 5X income and was a disaster the last time.

This time… woo hooo! NINJAs abound.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-12 16:08:44

From the original post:

“‘They’re making a business decision. I’ve never seen so much detachment,’ Parcaut said about homeowners who accept foreclosure without shame. ‘The stigma is gone.’”

And you’re surprised? Well, geez Louise, those soon-be-former homeowners are showing the same detachment that the bundlers and sellers of loan tranches showed a while back.

Comment by reuven
2008-06-12 16:32:38

There’s a reverse stigma that I’ve witnessed myself. If people can’t brag about how much (unrealized) money they made on real estate, they can brag about how much they lost!

Instead of saying: “I’m a genius! This Orlando Condotel I bought for $300,000 now is worth $500,000″, they can say “I lost $450,000 in the Orlando Real Estate Market”

Of course, they didn’t lose anything. They just walked away. They loss is from their imagined $500,000 to the $50K it fetched at foreclosure auction.

But being able to say a number like $450,000 makes them feel important! After all, only Important Wheeler-Dealers get to have that kind of skin in the game!

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-06-12 16:42:03

Yeah, I could see these vermin turn their screw ups into badges of honor - at least amongst their fellow vermin.

Still, look how early on that the stigma of jingle mail has faded in this bust. Gee whiz, we ain’t even into the real recession yet! What are these FBs going to do for money in two years - auction their spouses?

Might be a good time to start up a polygamy cult!

 
Comment by sartre
2008-06-12 19:04:41

hey, thats like the dot com days, sweet!

 
Comment by jbunniii
2008-06-13 07:27:47

“I stole $450,000 from a bank” is more accurate, and has a nice Bonnie and Clyde ring to it!

 
 
Comment by Lip
2008-06-12 16:49:47

Slim,

If I owe you an apology, would you accept a beer at the GG restaurant?

Lip

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 16:55:34

Only if you consecrate the ground first with the blood of an FB, and offer up a beer as libations to the Foreclosure Gods. :-D

 
 
 
Comment by reuven
2008-06-12 16:17:27

What’s wrong with Americans?!

“The then 32-year-old single mother, who’d struggled to put herself through school and raise a family in pricey Northern California, was feeling pretty good about things. She’d finally earned herself a piece of the American dream.”

She EARNED it! It’s hers! Why are we trying to take away her right to borrow more money than she could possibly pay back!?

Along with the great view, Hodges says, the house also came with daunting monthly payments of $2,363, but she wasn’t worried.

If that were a fixed rate, it would have to be 5% to make a payment (without taxes or PMI) of $2363. So she was paying at most a teaser rate of 4% (monthly of $2062) + PMI. (And I’m not considering property taxes here).

“Two years later she had to tell her boys they were moving. “I called the lender and said, ‘This house is eating me alive. I want out,’ she says. Her credit was ruined and her savings account was empty. Her voice mail overflowed with messages from her mortgage lender, and she felt incredibly stressed and anxious.”

Look at the victimspeak here! “Her credit was ruined” not “I ruined my credit”

Emotionally exhausted, Hodges let the bank take over the house.”

How nice of her! She let them take over the house! It was their friggin’ house anyway.

She put no money down, and was paying a “teaser rate”. She lost NOTHING. Not once cent! Why is she complaining? The only losers are the bank, and the taxpayers that will have to foot the bill for the tax on her forgiven mortgage debt (assuming the house was upside-down, and this didn’t constitute a short sale).

Comment by Shannon
2008-06-12 17:13:27

I realy think she and all the people that bought in the last 5 years are so upset because they could have been renting and saving money. They are looking back at how stupid they were for overpaying not on the house but on the monthly payments and living pay check to pay check and on top of that paying property taxes. They all over paid and over worked to keep up with their over payments. How sad to never get that time back. Life is too short. What a thurough waist of money it was to buy in the last 5 years!

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 17:23:35

Another thing this article doesn’t mention is the child support/alimony that she should be collecting. Between her salary and that income, she actually should be able to pay for that house. I wonder what else is going on here.

Comment by reuven
2008-06-12 17:35:00

I usually get my head handed to me on a platter here for not treating “single moms” like heroes.

Assuming she’s not a widow….

If she was divorced, then she probably would see to it that she got child support.

If she was never married, there could be a lot of scams going on here.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-06-12 19:24:14

I got crucified in here when I had to gall to suggest that women who were irresponsible with their choice of partners, i.e. dropping their drawers for dirtbags who could be counted on NOT to love & support the mother of their spawn, were unlikely to be virtuous or responsible with their finances, either. This is not to tar all single moms with the same brush - given the high percentage of worthless so-called men in this country, many if not most single moms are genuine victims, and everyday heroines - but the point still stands: we are all responsible for the choices we make, and bad choices have consequences.

When the kids mentioned in these FB tales of woe have absent fathers, who are contributing nothing to their upbringing or support, it does make you wonder about the morals, judgement, and responsibility level of the women who hook up with these losers. This exempts, of course, widows or those who were bamboozled by guys who never intended to honor their obligations.

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Comment by FP
2008-06-12 17:37:19

In addition, the article states that she got into financial trouble 10 months after she purchased the home.
Quoted..
“Along with the great view, Hodges says, the house also came with daunting monthly payments of $2,363, but she wasn’t worried. ” It didn’t take long.

The article also states several hardships along the way. An emergency trip here, a health problem there. You know what. Most people expereinces some sort of hardship along the way. This is typical. The fact that she took on a huge financial repsonsibility without really thinking the consequences is in excusable. She really deserved this hard lesson and unfortunately, it seems the kids also learned an adult lesson way too early.

 
Comment by Wine Country Dude
2008-06-12 19:19:43

“Child support/alimony”???

Christ on a pogo stick! In what alternative intellectual universe are the concepts of alimony and “32 year old woman making $92K per year” even found on the same page? (for reference, $92K is twice what our colleagues Shizo, Edgewaterjohn and Deflationary Jane make).

Then again, Ms. Hodges IS making less than 55% of the salary of the Right Honourable Representative Laura Richardson, who finds it a tribulation to get by on $170K per year.

My sarcasm was bestial. I take it back.

Comment by deflationaryjane
2008-06-12 21:56:43

Sad isn’t it.

Want a bigger surprise? Associate Professors at UC start at about 62K. I’d say low 70s is an average salary. These are also the people who tend to get crushing class loads while full professors finagle their way out of their required 3 courses a year.

Compare that to the Richardson or Hodges or even Davis’ firefighter’s base salary (fyi 144k plus overtime and benefits).

I know a lot post doc researchers that make less then 33k.

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Comment by Awaiting Bubble Rubble
2008-06-12 22:15:19

” Associate Professors at UC start at about 62K.”

And most with experience and a publication track record can double or triple that with a few consulting gigs and speaking engagements.

I don’t feel sorry for any of these people, and think that income has almost nothing to do with this situation. Incomes could double and triple and the same people would be in the same situation. It was a virtually unregulated industry permitted to socialize risk and privatize profit combined with a time of new extremes in delusional thinking on the part of the American public. We have a white house that is openly hostile to logic and reason, and many forces that have been actively moving our population AWAY from any semblance of sustainability for the past eight years or so. This is no excuse for the massive failure of personal responsibility, just a reminder of the context of our less than same times. I appreciate this blog more than I’ve said for publicizing the insanity. Thank you, Ben!

 
Comment by deflationaryjane
2008-06-13 00:01:52

‘And most with experience and a publication track record can double or triple that with a few consulting gigs and speaking engagements.’

It’s called conflict of commitment. An academic employee is considered 100% employed, fulfilling the their requirements of teaching, research, university serivce and public service. They are restricted from being employed outside of UC. yes really.

What they mostly do is have the conferences cover their travel in exchange and they get to use the speaking time to fulfill their ‘dispersing research findings’ requirements. The minutia that goes into this will make a sane person’s eyes glaze over. If you want more info, look up conflict of commitment and UCOP in google. Bon Apetite’

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-13 14:47:16

DefJ:

I think the univeresity is trying to encourage you to write grants.

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-13 14:48:22

Typo, I know, I know.

 
 
 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-06-12 19:43:13

“Her credit was ruined…”

Isn’t that the passive tense? If so, kinda makes sense to use it.

 
Comment by cactus
2008-06-12 20:51:41

she makes 92K per year I don’t get it? Is she a complusive shopper or somthing ?

 
Comment by exsocalguy
2008-06-12 21:09:36

I really don’t understand her situation. She had a monthly payment of $2400, and annual income of $92,000. Where’s the problem? That’s less than half of her take-home pay and that’s assuming she sock away some for 401k to boot.

I don’t understand why she’s having trouble paying that mortgage…

 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-06-12 16:17:51


“They just become more choosy about what wine they drink,’ Lohr said.”

And at discount prices, Mr. Lohr. My local Albertson’s has J. Lohr wines at the biggest discount that I recall.

Jas

Comment by smiling_in SD
2008-06-12 16:44:24

2 buck chuck at Trader Joes works too!!

Comment by SaladSD
2008-06-12 16:48:33

Yeah, but it’s nasty…. if you’re just looking for a buzz, drink MadDog.

Comment by KenWPA
2008-06-12 17:50:59

Mad Dog 20/20. Now that brings back some college puking memories. That stuff would be almost free if they didn’t charge sales tax. The Purple bottle made the snow outside of my college apartment look really pretty more than once.

But oh, was it a cheap buzz.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-06-12 16:51:23

Nah, as long as they’re still buying booze in stores - times aren’t that bad.

Now, when the backyard still comes back into vogue and FBs are going blind left and right drinking homemade rocket fuel - that’s when it’ll get interesting.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-06-12 17:33:03

Don’t forget the bathtub. My grandparents made bathtub gin during Prohibition. Grandma said it would make her blind. :)

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Comment by Dinasmom
2008-06-12 20:28:07

Homemade ethanol can run your car too!

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Comment by az_lender
2008-06-12 19:17:54

The astonishing thing about the Paso Robles piece is the graph showing that housing starts in Paso declined by about 85% between 2006 and 2007. And they’re looking for a quick recovery? Fat chance. From the graph it looks as though the projection of total housing starts for 2007-08-09 is way below the single-year numbers for any of the recent years.

 
 
Comment by measton
2008-06-12 16:29:59

PHOENIX (Reuters) - Authorities in Arizona are stepping up a program to put mosquito-gobbling minnows into the stagnant pools of foreclosed or abandoned homes to prevent an outbreak of West Nile virus.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080612/sc_nm/usa_housing_minnows_dc;_ylt=ApijC6garGKYXKyN0Wjevu2s0NUE

Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 17:25:55

Your post looks funny.

Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 21:40:13

It looks better now.

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-06-12 19:31:34

and in a couple years we’ll be wondering how to eliminate mosquitofish, which are known to get loose and eat all the other little fishies and frogs and anything else that fits in their mouths. Wikipedia has a page on them.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 20:11:15

It’s A Perfect Day for Mosquitofish. :-D

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-12 20:07:33

Let’s just try for a world record mosquito hatch!

 
Comment by cactus
2008-06-12 20:55:49

Fish in pools in Phoenix ? I’d dump a gallon of soap in their mixed with a few old cigars. Freaking pool will probably get to 90F and kill the fish.

 
Comment by rusty
2008-06-13 10:02:59

then they’ll have to introduce bigger fish to eat the minnows.

Then they’ll have to get even BIGGER fish to eliminate the middle fish.

Then they’ll have to introduce alligators to eat the biggest fish

Problem solved! I’m going into alligator farming asap!

 
 
Comment by girlbear
2008-06-12 16:48:19

I love a J. Lohr Cab…while living in my RENTED bungalow on the river!!!

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 17:00:25

In San Mateo County, most of the foreclosures are in working-class neighborhoods in cities such as East Palo Alto, Daly City, South San Francisco and San Bruno. Parts of San Mateo, such as Shoreview, as well as portions of Redwood City and Menlo Park are also experiencing high rates of foreclosures.

Working-class neighborhoods as compared to what? Non-working-class ones? Like where people don’t work? WTF? Working-class neighborhoods comprise just about everywhere.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 17:04:45

Dunno…does Marin count as a working class neighborhood?

Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 17:28:04

Last time I checked, people in Marin had to work.

Comment by Wine Country Dude
2008-06-12 19:24:31

Hear, hear.

When John Lennon wrote that “a working class hero is something to be”, I am fairly certain he had in mind stock analysts who live in Corte Madera :- )

WCD (former Marinite)

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Comment by JP
2008-06-12 18:15:06

I doubt anyone would apply “working-class neighborhood” to Portola Valley.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 18:21:40

Well, they do have to work. Same with Atherton.

But they’re not exactly struggling if that’s what you mean.

Woodside, on the other hand …

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-12 19:36:28

I think the term “working class” is meant to imply, “overworked, underpaid, disposable pawn in the game”.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 19:47:35

And this excludes overpaid Silicon Valley engineers, how exactly? ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-06-12 17:05:16


“The death of either bill could force some home builders to go belly up, or at least bring them to their knees.”

And how is that bad for the people of California, whose interests the legislature is supposed to look after? I say, let them go belly up.

Jas

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 17:05:20

“This has always been my dream,” says Hodges, standing in her kitchen and looking out into her backyard.

Yeah, right. 3 years ago, it was everyone’s dream to be a homeowner. Now, all the sudden, everyone’s oohing and ahing over stupid things like sliding glass doors. Whatever you wanna believe, lady.

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 17:07:52

We’re in a recession, but the good thing is that in a recession people don’t necessarily drink less wine. They just become more choosy cheap about what wine they drink,” Lohr said.

Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 17:09:42

Am I to take this to mean that J. Lohr will be reducing their prices soon? I used to go to their bottling plant in San Jose all the time, but I stopped going because the manager of the place is always in a cantankerous mood, which does not go well with wine. Maybe if they had a sale, though …

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 17:11:23

‘He bought for $800,000. Now he sells for $500,000. How’s he going to pay to the bank?’

Better question: How is the bank going to pass the loss on to the taxpayer or its shareholders?

Comment by Cinch
2008-06-12 17:33:06

An even better question: where is the mortgage note? In a pension fund? Foreign government coffers? Wall Street? This is a mess!

Cinch

Comment by az_lender
2008-06-12 19:23:03

Looked in the small gray suitcase that holds all my mortgage notes. Didn’t find this particular one. (The $800K that became $500K.) Lucky me! Oops, forgot, none of my notes is secured by a California property. Maybe soon, though. Today my Maine golf partner told me he is moving to Sta Barbara in the fall (he’s 89).

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-06-12 17:35:49

There’s that elephant under the rug again PB ;)

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 17:56:14

It is not that hard to rough out an estimate of the elephant’s weight, at least to approximate order of magnitude. Suppose there are 3m SD hhs, 3 San Diegans per housing unit, and an average (temporary) value of $500K per housing unit at the bubble peak. With an average loss of 30 pct, the total home equity drop off the bubble top would be roughly

(30 pct * $500K) * 1m = $150,000 * 1m = $150 bn

in home equity losses for a town where most folks were tricked into believing real estate always went up.

Ouchola!

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 18:05:34

I like your “order of magnitude” calculations.

If you had worked harder in college, you might have even been able to be a physicist. :-D

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 18:53:51

I left the field after my first-year physics professor educated me on how many stars in the field either went insane or committed suicide. Economists are a happier bunch (and as I have already told you, they do lighter work for better pay)…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 18:56:08

P.S. Come to think of it, my wife’s uncle is a physicist who attempted suicide (case in point…).

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 18:56:29

I must say I can’t really dispute any of the above points.

Even worse for mathematicians.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-12 20:13:56

“…my first-year physics professor educated me on how many stars in the field either went insane or committed suicide.”

Smoke coming out of the ears will do that…

 
 
 
Comment by KenWPA
2008-06-12 18:01:43

I used to like elephants, but they are becoming quite the annoyance lately. I have tripped over far too many of them when I have been visiting friends, playing with their Wii’s on Big screen TV’s and a big old Elephant hiding under their rug seems to trip me up. As a proper gentleman, I try to ignore the elephant hiding under their financed rug, but for crying out loud it is getting tougher and tougher to do.

How annoying, plus they only answer their cell phones now…the home phone goes directly to fax. Not that I call their home phone, but the annoying fact is that while visiting, they act as though the fax/home/ bill collector phone isn’t really ringing.

 
Comment by mikey
2008-06-12 18:58:14

That’s an ELEPHANT under the rug ?!?!

I thought it was just those RE dust bunnies humping again:)

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 17:20:14

“Despite more than 97 percent of the foreclosed properties being returned to the lender after auction, there was a 34.6 percent increase in properties purchased by third parties, which most likely were investors, the report said.”

Here is a little math worth doing, for illustration of misleading journalistic use of statistics.

Percent of foreclosed homes currently begin returned to the lender after (failed) auction = 97 pct. Percent of foreclosed homes currently being successfully sold at auction = 100 - 97 = 3 pct, which is a 34.6 percent increase over last period’s level of 3/(1.346) = 2.23 percent of homes selling at auction (versus 100 - 2.23 = 97.77 percent not selling at auction).

So the percentage of homes not selling at auction has dropped from 97.77 percent down to 97 percent — quite a big improvement, thanks to those brave investors!

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 17:26:35

Math is hard. — Barbie

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 17:50:19

Lying is easy. — Pinochio

 
Comment by JP
2008-06-12 18:22:41

Waaaay OT: Math is hard. — Barbie

This is old, but if you never heard about the Barbie Liberation Organization (BLO), then your life is incomplete. The BLO switched a whole lot of voiceboxes of Barbie and GI Joe, put them back into the boxes and returned them to the store shelves.

To this day, there are probably guys in therapy because their GI Joe kept saying “Math is hard”.

http://sniggle.net/barbie.php

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-12 18:46:58

This is so awesome!!!

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Comment by combotechie
2008-06-12 20:33:43

From the link: “… Barbies who yelled ‘Vengence is mine!’”

This Barbie is for real. I used to date her.

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Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 21:59:16

I knew I was meant for something. I have to meet up with these people.

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Comment by deflationaryjane
2008-06-13 00:18:50

Discordians untie!

Wish I had thought of that.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-06-12 18:13:38

“…thanks to those brave investors!”

Brave indeed, stepping into the breach like that and helping with price discovery. Too bad for them that they’re the first rank of Doughboys to go “over the top”.

 
Comment by Hold out in LA
2008-06-12 19:19:12

Equally dishonest is the fact that the starting bid at the courthouse steps is equal to the note due.

WOW, 3% of foreclosures had equity. HMMMM
that is the same number of homes that went under for the old “normal” reasons for foreclosure.
Distressed property from job loss, medical hardships, etc. etc.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 22:07:36

I suppose the chance a home goes to foreclosure is much higher if there is no equity, so the 3 pct courthouse step auction success rate is not at all surprising.

 
 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-06-12 18:19:44

“‘Some of these homes sit vacant for 7 months, at least a minimum of 4 months, and in some cases as long as 12 months of sitting vacant before the lender even takes them back. Grass dies, the lenders let it overgrow; the pool goes green, because the lenders say, ‘It’s not our property yet.’ We call it the lender’s black hole,’ he said.”

So now there’s a term for it - “lenders black hole”. How big will it grow - 12 months, 18 months, longer? Will the 12 months or longer only be in areas with large numbers of foreclosures (new subdivisions, e.g.) or will it spread to other areas? How long before the borrowers fully exploit the lenders unwillingness to take back properties? You could have a whole underground economy of renting out, cheaply, such properties to flexible renters - sort of one step above squatting.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-06-12 19:18:13

A foreclosed home that’s surrounded by many other foreclosed homes has lots of competition.
The only foreclosed home for miles has less competition, and might be unloaded more quickly.

If i were a bank, my interest would be in reselling quickly, and i’d foreclose on the isolated ones first.

 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-12 18:32:41

There is a house on my street that is for sale at $880k. The Zestimate is $618k. The latest house sold for $645k. There’s also a house for rent for $2600/mo. All houses are similar in value.

What do you guys think will happen?

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 18:51:06

No sale, either due to withdrawal of the home from the market or foreclosure before a buyer makes an offer the seller finds acceptable.

 
Comment by az_lender
2008-06-12 19:29:23

While we may (?) mostly agree that 100x-150x monthly rent is an appropriate price, it seems there are knifecatchers everywhere willing to pay 200x. Not 308x.

Comment by az_lender
2008-06-12 19:35:19

Ooops, I mean “Not 338x” — math is hard! (I thought asking was $800 rather than $880)

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-06-12 19:53:13

The elephant from under the rug will finally shake the rug loose, and rampage through the house ;)

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-12 20:24:14

A bidding war in the making…

 
Comment by cactus
2008-06-12 21:02:44

There is a house on my street that is for sale at $880k.
What do you guys think will happen?

eventually the for sale sign will rot and blow over in the wind

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-12 18:43:19

“Leeper Colony”

“Doug Leeper, a code enforcement manager for the City of Chula Vista, says that he can easily tell which houses are in foreclosure.”

“‘Some of these homes sit vacant for 7 months, at least a minimum of 4 months, and in some cases as long as 12 months of sitting vacant before the lender even takes them back. Grass dies, the lenders let it overgrow; the pool goes green, because the lenders say, ‘It’s not our property yet.’ We call it the lender’s black hole,’ he said.”

 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-06-12 18:58:23

Another difference is that 70 percent of the homes currently listed for sale in National City are in distress.”

can anyone compare this to the early 90’s
tia

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-12 20:25:27

Yes, there’s no comparison.

 
Comment by CHILIDOGGG
2008-06-12 23:33:30

National City slightly less of a shthole in the early 90s compared to today. But materially insignificant. Ditto with Chula Vista and El Centro. Ironically, Tijuana was much better city in 1980s than today. No Mexicans, for the most part, on Revolucion, except those to serve yanquis.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 19:01:16

The median list price in my zip code (of $1,150,000) has become extremely popular as of late. Take your pick of these eight homes:

8305 SANTALUZ VILLAGE GRN E SD - Rancho Bernardo, 92127
$1,150,000 - $1,150,000
Beds: 3 | Baths: 3 | Sq. Ft.: 2,180 | Lot Size: N/A
Year Built: 2003 | Listing Date: 02/04/08
Description: Highly upgraded single level casita perched on a corner lot with panoramic westerly views…. more

14420 ROCK ROSE SD - Rancho Bernardo, 92127
$1,150,000 - $1,150,000
Beds: 4 | Baths: 4 | Sq. Ft.: 3,347 | Lot Size: 11,084 Sq. Ft.
Year Built: 2003 | Listing Date: 05/02/08
Description: Open the door to this superbly designed one level residence with spectacular panoramic westerly… more

14790 RIO RANCHO SD - Rancho Bernardo, 92127
$1,150,000 - $1,150,000
Beds: 4 | Baths: 4 | Sq. Ft.: 3,600 | Lot Size: N/A
Year Built: 2004 | Listing Date: 06/12/08

16028 CAYENNE RIDGE SD - Rancho Bernardo, 92127
$1,150,000 - $1,225,000
Beds: 5 | Baths: 5 | Sq. Ft.: 3,802 | Lot Size: N/A
Year Built: 2004 | Listing Date: 04/19/08
Description: Seller will entertain offers between $1,175,000-$1,250,000. Enjoy magnificent unobstructed views,… more

15243 HEATHER STONE CT. SD - Rancho Bernardo, 92127
$1,150,000 - $1,150,000
Beds: 5 | Baths: 5 | Sq. Ft.: 3,990 | Lot Size: 13,939 Sq. Ft.
Year Built: 2004 | Listing Date: 01/16/08
Description: This gorgeous standard pacific, highly sought after, terreno plan 3 home is less than four years… more

7425 RANCHO CABRILLO TRAIIL SD - Rancho Bernardo, 92127
$1,150,000 - $1,199,000
Beds: 4 | Baths: 4 | Sq. Ft.: 4,000 | Lot Size: N/A
Year Built: 2004 | Listing Date: 01/13/08
Description: Short sale”’pre-approved”’former model home located in gated community on elevated site with… more

15230 WINESPRINGS CT SD - Rancho Bernardo, 92127
$1,150,000 - $1,150,000
Beds: 5 | Baths: 5 | Sq. Ft.: 4,682 | Lot Size: N/A
Year Built: 2005 | Listing Date: 05/17/08
Description: Nicely upgraded better than new home on elevated lot. Slab granite kitchen opens to super sized… more

14790 RIO RANCHO SD - Rancho Bernardo, 92127
$1,150,000 - $1,150,000
Beds: 4 | Baths: 4 | Sq. Ft.: N/A | Lot Size: N/A
Year Built: 2004 | Listing Date: 06/12/08

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-12 19:34:00

PB, you live in Rancho Bernardo? I used to go cycling through that area when I was at UCSD…long weekend rides up the Del Dios Hwy and down back to Mira Mesa. It used to be popular with the triathletes because it was really beautiful but not much traffic. I hate to even ask how much it’s changed :(

Back in 1995, the most opulent, priciest homes were $400K and up, and I remember thinking “almost no one makes that kind of money, at least not in San Diego county”…lol.

Comment by BackToTheBank
2008-06-12 20:55:51

“it was really beautiful but not much traffic.”

Hoooooo, nenny, NoSingleOne you don’t want to know. That I-15 is a sight to behold rush hour +/-2hours.

And along Rancho Bernardo near W. Bernardo and Bernardo Center, lots of traffic there too. (I just wanted to use Bernardo three times in a sentence. :) )

But seriously, I had a job offer out there and rejected it. RB is an overpriced shithole IMHO, and I live in Costa Mesa! That’s saying something! The poser factor in RB is hard to beat.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-06-12 22:03:53

Lots more houses, but still not much traffic. I have a sneaking suspicion that the vacancy rate is surprisingly high for such a desirable, wealthy area.

 
 
Comment by Tulpenwoerde
2008-06-12 19:35:53

Surely there was an 8,000 sf house in the mix also, no? And a “heavily updated” 1200 sf condo?

Keep in mind, folks, the square footage and location of your house are irrelevant; it’s the amount of granite and exotic wood(along with the volume of your refrigerator and the power of your range) that determines value.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-12 19:25:24

Shame about what’s happened to America…

“Edward Parcaut, president of SourceOne Financial in Modesto, said many homeowners simply choose to walk away from their house, letting it fall into foreclosure.”

“‘They’re making a business decision. I’ve never seen so much detachment,’ Parcaut said about homeowners who accept foreclosure without shame. ‘The stigma is gone.’”

Comment by az_lender
2008-06-12 19:31:57

I don’t blame the walkaways. The loan originators were shameless.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-12 19:35:17

Who would have ever believed we’d evolve into a nation of telemarketer slime?

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-06-12 20:09:04

A large portion of society has been trying to remove any and all forms of social stigma for many decades, with great success.
Adding “deadbeat” to the list should come as no suprise.

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Comment by SDGreg
2008-06-12 22:49:51

Too many lenders put borrowers in loans that had little chance of repayment, just to earn a commission - just bidness.

Borrower is way upside down, can’t make the onerous payments, then walks - just bidness.

If the system weren’t so obviously corrupt, I’d have much greater difficulty with the borrowers defaulting. Trying to be honest and ethical seems to put one at a decided disadvantage where corruption is rampant in business and government.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-06-13 00:02:05

I have difficulty with borrowers defaulting because 9 times out of 10 the borrowers submitted a liar loan to begin with . While I agree that it’s the duty of lenders to underwrite loans and prevent fraud ,this doesn’t excuse borrowers from committing fraud because they bought into a Ponzi-scheme .

Because of these borrowers and corrupt lenders the public is being forced into paying for their crimes in many ways . I resent paying on any level for greedy gamblers who knew that they couldn’t afford the house they purchased .

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Comment by joe momma
2008-06-12 20:03:56

Let me get this straight. These financial institutions bought a lot of homes and made crazy loans to the people living in them. The people, in many cases, empty out their savings accounts paying outrageous interest rates. The people go belly up, and give the place back to the banks. The government steps in and gives the same institutions hundreds of billions of dollars to shore them up.

When the smoke clears, won’t the banks have a massive portfolio of real estate, and a boat load of money they got from us taxpayers via the government?

 
Comment by BackToTheBank
2008-06-12 20:47:04

Congresswhore Richardson seeks bailout. Gets special treatment from WaMu and burns the guy who bought her house at auction. Defaults on two other houses. Defaults on Countrywide loan for more than home purchase price.

Apparently Ms. Richardson loans her campaign money from cash-out mortgage before defaulting. No doubt the campaign is now expected to pay her back.

NICE SCAM LADY.

As hard as it is to do, Ms. Richardson is an insult to Congress and should be canned pronto.

Comment by Scared_in_IE
2008-06-13 15:08:55

“As hard as it is to do, Ms. Richardson is an insult to Congress and should be canned pronto”

I wish this happened soon also but don’t think it will. Apparently, we in America have sacred cows now as well, like in India.

 
 
Comment by Awaiting Bubble Rubble
2008-06-12 21:58:19

“It was a house of cards that fell apart like a Ponzi scheme the minute [home price] appreciation stopped.’”

Yeah, like a Ponzi scheme.

Kind of like Bush is like a failure.

Like. Totally.

 
Comment by Scared_in_IE
2008-06-13 14:47:29

“Partly to blame, she says, is the measly salary she is forced to accept to serve there. $170K”

Shameless!

 
Comment by Roger
2008-06-17 13:07:03

In a way, it’s all an upheaval that NEEDED to happen. Yet, every cloud has a silver lining.

At least there are ways that first time homebuyers that have been on the fence the past few years can now afford these homes now that there are so many foreclosures to choose from - with legitimate financing.

 
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