June 19, 2008

Seeing Dirt As A Liability In California

The Union Tribune reports from California. “California housing sales were at their lowest level in 13 years last month, as prices slid 30 percent from year-ago levels, DataQuick reported yesterday. The 33,024 transactions statewide were down 6 percent from April and off 10.7 percent from May 2007. It was the worst May since 1995. The statewide median price stood at $339,000, 4.2 percent below April’s level and 30 percent down from the all-time peak of $484,000 in May 2007.”

“It was the biggest year-over-year downturn for any month in 20 years of record keeping, said DataQuick analyst Andrew LePage. ‘Adjusted for inflation, mortgage payments are back to where they were in mid-2003,’ DataQuick said. ‘They are 23.3 percent below the spring 1989 peak of the prior real estate cycle. They are 38 percent below the current cycle’s peak in June 2006.’”

“DataQuick found that 38.3 percent of all sales in California in May were for properties that completed the foreclosure process in the previous 12 months, compared with 37.6 percent in April and 5.4 percent in May 2007. San Diego’s foreclosure sales represented 36 percent of the market in May.”

“LePage said Southern California buying reflects bargain shopping, particularly among first-time buyers and investors in inland areas. By contrast, buying among higher-priced homes remains ‘especially slow.’”

“‘That doesn’t bode well for the high end, where so far, prices have come off their peaks but have generally held up best,’ LePage said.”

The Fresno Bee. “As median house prices continue to fall and foreclosures rise, Beazer Homes is pulling out of the central San Joaquin Valley. The home builder recently announced that it will stop building new homes and exit the Fresno market effective Sept. 30. The company is advertising deals on completed homes this weekend.”

“‘When these guys leave, they see dirt as a liability and dump the lots, sometimes at phenomenal prices,’ said real estate analyst Robin Kane.”

“It’s a practice already happening in Fresno. Prices of raw land in Fresno have fallen 30% to 40% over the past several years.”

The Santa Cruz Sentinel. “A former FBI agent who has delved into many high-profile financial meltdowns has a new assignment — Monterey mortgage lender Cedar Funding. R. Todd Neilson, a Los Angeles forensic accountant and bankruptcy specialist, was named Tuesday as the Chapter 11 bankruptcy trustee for the 20-year-old real estate investment company that has more than 100 Santa Cruz County investors.”

“David Nilsen, president of Cedar Funding, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection for his business last month amid mounting legal and financial pressure exerted by the embattled firm’s investors.”

“Because of several troubling aspects about Ceder Funding, the judge said a trustee would have to sort out the company’s financial condition. Ceder Funding attorneys said the company has about $170 million in outstanding loans on California real estate and some 1,400 investors in individual mortgages and a mortgage investment pool.”

The Mercury News. “Far fewer homes sold last month in Santa Clara County than in May last year, and median prices fell 12 percent.”

“‘We’re getting more consumers putting deals together,’ said Dave Walsh, president of the Santa Clara County Association of Realtors. ‘It does not mean that the market has bounced back. What it means is we’re not in a softening market right now. Prices are fair, the affordability indexes are more in line, and more people can qualify for mortgages now. Buyers are still very choosy about what they pay. They’re not willing to overpay.’”

“Parag Panse and his wife made an offer to buy their first house - a four-bedroom in Sunnyvale - last week. Renters in Sunnyvale, the couple almost bought a home in 2003 and again in 2005. They finally took the plunge, after painstakingly researching the market and increasing their estimate of what they’d have to pay for a home in the Cupertino school district.”

“They beat out six other potential buyers and hope to move in during July. Sunnyvale home prices, he said, have flattened since he began his search three months ago.”

“‘It’s a home that I am buying, so once I have done that, I will not be looking at the price’ he said, referring to whether his new home will gain or lose value in months or years to come.”

“DataQuick’s figures show that 14.3 percent of all home sales in the county last month were properties that had been foreclosed upon sometime in the previous 12 months. That’s up from 1.4 percent a year earlier.”

“Across the nine-county Bay Area, 26 percent of the homes that changed hands in May had been foreclosed upon sometime in the past 12 months. In May 2007, only 3 percent of sales were previously foreclosed properties.”

The Marin Independent Journal. “Homes sales continued to plunge across the Bay Area in May, though Marin remained an anomaly as the only county with a median price increase. Just 178 single-family homes were sold - down from 287 in May 2007, DataQuick reported.”

“‘The typical seller in Marin, they can wait,’ said Corina Rollins, senior real estate instructor at the College of Marin for more than 20 years.”

“Rollins would do the same if she had a property to sell. ‘Why would I put it on (the market) if I don’t have to sell, in order to take less than I possibly could get by sitting around and waiting another year?’ she said.”

“A snapshot of Marin’s foreclosure picture this week, based on statistics provided by ForeclosureRadar, indicated 670 properties in various stages of foreclosure within the past 120 days. Nearly half of those - 320 - were in Novato.”

The Press Democrat. “Bay Area home sales dipped in May despite a wave of foreclosure sales in Sonoma and other outlying counties that helped push prices to a four-year low. The typical Bay Area home sold for $517,000 in May, down a record 21.7 percent from a year ago, sinking to the lowest median since summer 2004.”

“Prices continue falling because sales are concentrated at lower price ranges and the falloff has been steep in the region’s more expensive areas. Areas with the most affordable homes registered year-over-year sales gains, bucking the overall Bay Area decline. Two-thirds of the zip codes with annual increases were in Sonoma, Solano and Contra Costa counties.”

“May median sales prices in these areas, on average, were down 24 percent from a year ago and down 36 percent from their peaks. A foreclosed Santa Rosa home valued at $550,000 three years ago was put on the market by the bank for $240,000. There were 13 offers, and it sold for $280,000.”

“Homes above $500,000 and those in even more expensive regions are sitting on the market, including Marin, San Mateo and Santa Clara counties.”

“The typical monthly mortgage payment Bay Area buyers committed themselves to paying was $2,393 in May, down from $3,090 a year ago. The typical mortgage payment for a Sonoma County home purchased in May was $1,921, down from $2,432 a year ago.”

“Fire officials said someone intentionally set a large Sebastopol home on fire, destroying the Gravenstein Highway South residence. Fire investigators found signs of a fuel being poured in several areas of the 8,000-square-foot home, indicating it was intentionally set, said Gold Ridge Fire Chief Andy Pforsich Wednesday.”

“The fire was reported before dawn on May 11. It was considered suspicious early on because there was no power to the vacant home. The home, which was for sale, was considered a total loss.”

The Reporter. “Although Bay Area home sales weakened last month to a 20-year low, sales of foreclosed homes rose in the East Bay and Solano County, causing some local Realtors to hail it as a boon for investors and first-time home buyers.”

“Sales in Solano County of foreclosed properties made up 57.6 percent of the resale market, according to DataQuick. In Solano County, the median home price sank 31 percent to $300,000, compared to the same period last year.”

“A lot of first-time buyers are taking advantage of the market with the belief that home prices have hit bottom, explained John Wilkerson, a Realtor in Vacaville who has seen the majority of his sales come from foreclosures and ’short sales’ where the buyer sells the property below value.”

“‘Being a home buyer right now is like being a kid in a candy shop,’ said Kathleen Ramos, a Realtor in Vacaville.”

“In May, jumbo mortgages in the Bay Area rose to 30.6 percent, up from 28.8 percent in April. That was still less than half the level - 63.5 percent - seen a year ago.”

The Sacramento Bee. “For the second straight month, the Sacramento region showed year-over-year gains in home sales as falling prices and growing numbers of bank-owned homes prodded bargain hunters off the fence. Prices, however, didn’t show the same strength. Median prices have dropped in double-digit percentages in Amador, El Dorado, Nevada, Placer, Sacramento, Sutter, Yolo and Yuba counties over the past year.”

“Since January, banks in the region have foreclosed on 10,224 homes, according to Foreclosures.com. At the same time only about half the number - 5,448 - of repossessed homes were sold, DataQuick reported.”

“‘The sales numbers are great, and if we can keep on that track we could have just a slight decline in value,’ said Scott Thompson, a partner in Mortgage Resolution Services in Carmichael. ‘But we’re still foreclosing on more than we’re selling, and that’s the troubling part.’”

“Sacramento County’s median sales price of $225,000 is almost 35 percent lower than the same time last year. That median price hasn’t been so low since January 2003.”

“Analysts cite one reason for the rising sales and falling prices: a glut of discounted bank-owned homes that now rule the market. The Sacramento County Association of Realtors said 65 percent of May’s existing homes sales in Sacramento County and in the city of West Sacramento were bank repossessions.’

“In Elk Grove’s 95757 ZIP code, home to thousands of homes built from 2002 to 2005, 78 percent of sales involved foreclosed property. In Galt, 77 percent were, according to DataQuick.”

“Mortgage strategist Brent Wilson of Comstock Mortgage said the true test of the Sacramento real estate market will come ‘when we get to the seasonal slow times of the year - pretty much November through January. That’s going to be the true test to see if this rally has legs,’ he said.”

The Mt Shasta News. “County homeowners are no strangers to the worst housing crisis ever recorded, as the number of mortgage default notices (NODs) filed in California is at the highest level on record.”

“Siskiyou County now has the fourth fastest rising default percentage in the state. Siskiyou County has seen a 126 percent increase in the first quarter of 2008 (Jan. 1 - March 31) from the fourth quarter of 2007 (Oct. 1 - Dec. 31), according to RealtyStore. Counties with the highest increase from Q4 2007 to Q1 2008 are Glenn, Trinity and Mono with 138, 227 and 429 percent, respectively.”

“The number of statewide homeowners looking down the foreclosure barrel blasted last quarter to its highest level in more than 15 years, as the market continued to work its way through declining home values and a pool of at-risk mortgages that were originated in 2005 and 2006, according to DataQuick.com.”

“Last quarter’s number of defaults was the highest in DataQuick’s statistics, which go back to 1992.”

“Lending institutions sent Siskiyou County homeowners 106 NODs during the January-to-March period. That was up from 47 the previous quarter, according to county records.”

“‘We’re looking at more and more notices being recorded,’ Siskiyou County Recording Supervisor Rusty Neiswanger said. ‘We have already seen five percent more this month than last month. Hopefully Siskiyou County won’t be hit as hard as some of the counties in California. I do know that it’s effecting the housing market; I just know this is not good.’”

The LA Times. “With gasoline prices racing to new highs weekly, it’s crunch time for many gyms. Consumers looking to tighten their belts are giving up on tightening their buns in gyms, yoga classes and personal training sessions. Instead, they’re exercising the old-fashioned way: sweating for free at the beach, parks or on the street.”

“Canceling a monthly gym membership — which ranges from about $25 to hundreds of dollars– may not seem to shave much off the budget. But for some, it’s enough.”

“‘I know it’s next to nothing, but when you’re a starving artist, every little bit counts,’ said Ashley Brooke Moore, an aspiring dancer and actress in her 20s who canceled her $36-a-month membership at Bally’s about eight months ago. She then signed up for yoga classes, but when that got too expensive, she quit those and started going to free yoga classes at Runyon Canyon Park.”

“Money is tight because the catering company she moonlights for hasn’t been doing many jobs recently. ‘Everything’s a little bit slower, and gas prices are ridiculous,’ she said.”

“‘A lot of our clients have said, ‘You know, I can’t afford it,’ said Karen Speitel, office manager at Mind-Body Fitness Pilates Studio in Los Feliz.”

“Things really slowed down during the three-month Hollywood writers strike, she said, and never really picked up again once it ended in February. She’s tried calling former customers to remind them that group classes are only $15, but gets the same response: Even $15 a few times a month is too expensive.”

“The fitness industry ‘is certainly not immune to economic factors, i.e., the credit crunch, increasing fuel and food prices, slowing employment and the housing crisis,’ wrote Kathleen Rollauer, senior manager for research at the International Health, Racquet & Sportsclub Assn.”




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Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-19 15:01:27

“Rollins would do the same if she had a property to sell. ‘Why would I put it on (the market) if I don’t have to sell, in order to take less than I possibly could get by sitting around and waiting another year?’ she said.”

There’s something Alice in Wonderland-esq about this statement. And she’s a RE instructor?

Another set of articles that leaves one with a pinch me is this real feeling. I can’t get my mind around the magnitude of all this. Feels unreal.

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-19 15:02:58

“Consumers looking to tighten their belts are giving up on tightening their buns in gyms, yoga classes and personal training sessions.”

and I wonder how the life coaching biz is going these days?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-19 15:16:50

Top 10 loser professions of the housing bubble:

10. aromatherapy, scrapbooking
9. house staging
8. feng shui “expert”
7. life coach
6. make-your-own-candleshop
5. yoga studio
4. doggie spas
3. koi pond “experts”, koi breeders, etc.
2. sign twirlers

And the top candidate:

1. botox and the double-D jiggly makers

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-19 15:33:16

you forgot used house selling and mortgage brokering

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-19 18:00:28

Naah, that was assumed. :-)

 
 
Comment by the canary
2008-06-19 15:50:30

No way…those chicks who divorce their husbands because they lost the house, they will have to spruce up the lures to catch some new fish!

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Comment by Leighsong
2008-06-19 18:41:26

FPSS,

And this is why I avert eyes before tipping anything towards face when reading Ben’s blog! (Could have drowned or choked, not to mention computer spew)!

ROFLMAO!!!

OKay…let’s do this right!

Top Ten Winners profession(s) the housing bubble:

1. Three headed (four?) Branches of government (+Fed)?

2. Hedge managers (the jury is out).

3. Retired…ahem…Bankers or said hedge mgrs. (include any acronym).

4. Liars in the industry (ALL - Brokers to RE agents).

5. People who pretend they cannot read contracts. (FBs).

6. Speculators/

ah…now my hand is tired (just had cast removed).

Ya just can’t make this stuff up!

Best,
Leigh

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Comment by hip in zilker
2008-06-19 20:15:36

Monday night Daily Show report had a good segment on the Botox and plastic surgery crisis resulting from falling home prices in Beverly Hills. Larry Wilmore (”Senior Black Correspondent”) was brilliant.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=173525&title=good-life-crisis

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Comment by pismoclam
2008-06-19 22:26:22

In San Luis Obispo we had closed doggie bakery. I tried one of the biscuits and it wasn’t half bad.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-19 15:41:08

I’ve often wondered about life coaching. I mean, who is so incompetent and clueless that they need a COACH in order to deal with life?

As for my gym membership, it’s all of 64 bucks a year. I pump iron in a gym that’s inside a Tucson city park. Best deal in town, and, at times, some nice camaraderie as well.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-19 16:08:10

As I understand it, it basically comes down to these “coaches” listening to people, and telling them that nothing they do is ever their fault.

They are like therapists in a business context or some such hoo-ey.

I know a lot of women who fall for this nonsense.

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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-06-19 18:41:35

“I know a lot of women who fall for this nonsense.”

And you don’t label them “Marxists”?

Yoda: Don’t try… do! ;-)

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-06-19 19:15:12

I can’t imagine any hetero guy falling for it.

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-19 16:47:57

I finally figured it out. Slim’s a guy.

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Comment by OCDan
2008-06-19 16:53:00

Forget life coach.

If you need one, go to the bar. The barkeep will isten to you and tell you everything you need (want) to hear and for a lot less, unless you drink a lot. Then all bets are off!

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-19 16:53:43

Should we throw a party to celebrate? :-D

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-19 16:59:25

Let’s have that party at the Tucson HBB meetup. Anyone care to join me? I know all sorts of good eateries and drinkeries here.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-06-19 17:05:34

Arizona Slim,

I may take you up on your offer when it’s cooler. :)

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-19 17:15:22

The 1700 miles are a problem.

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 17:20:08

I don’t think slim’s a guy.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-19 17:24:46

“I don’t think slim’s a guy.”

Hmmm. You ladies are intuitive so I’ll take your word. Okay, slim’s a gal, but burly as hell.

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2008-06-19 17:53:36

Slim’s a girl. I was paying attention.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-19 18:06:58

I guess I wasn’t paying attention, Wickedheart. BTW slim, “burly as hell” wasn’t meant literally, but in reference to your “pumping iron” statement.

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2008-06-19 18:30:26

My neighbor is a little bitty lady and she is mighty. My hubby was impressed. She was carrying 100 lb logs!!

 
 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 17:18:08

No problem, they can’t afford to buy food anyway.

 
Comment by Wine Country Dude
2008-06-19 20:42:00

Funny. Stepsister tried being a life coach for a year or two. Gave it up about a year ago as “smoke and mirrors”.

 
 
Comment by Lisa
2008-06-19 16:49:31

“Rollins would do the same if she had a property to sell. ‘Why would I put it on (the market) if I don’t have to sell, in order to take less than I possibly could get by sitting around and waiting another year?’ she said.”

There’s something Alice in Wonderland-esq about this statement. And she’s a RE instructor?”

And note there are no facts to back up her statement, but the paper prints it anyway like it’s reality.

The current downturn is still seen as a blip on the screen, with bubble prices poised on the horizon (6 months, 1 year, whatever). Folks will be very slow to digest the fact that we may never, never see those price levels again. They were a one-time event made possible by insane financing options & no lending standards, which of course no longer exist.

Yes, some people can genuinely afford to buy and will choose to do so. But will it be enough to keep the market “propped up”? That’s the $64,000 question.

Comment by sf jack
2008-06-19 17:22:40

Judging by the houses sitting and waiting for buyers in southern Marin, the answer is “No”.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-06-19 18:52:20

“Yes, some people can genuinely afford to buy and will choose to do so. But will it be enough to keep the market “propped up”? That’s the $64,000 question.”

In Marin? My brother lives in Marin…it’s NOT the $64,000 question…unless you talking about what you pay to your… “tax advisor” …I would like to know …how many “soldiers” are serving in Iraq that are from “Marin” ? Divide by / …those who did not graduate with a 4.7 GPA …Welcome to: Crawford, Texas

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Comment by Red Baron
2008-06-19 17:39:39

Rollins is full of crap. As much as she may not want it to happen to protect her job as a “real estate instructor,” the Marin housing market is not going to bottom until 2011 at the earliest. All the option ARM resets that are coming in 2009 and 2010 are going to wreck havoc on the Marin housing market. I guarantee you houses in Marin will be selling for less, not more, than their current prices a year from now.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

Comment by Lisa
2008-06-19 18:40:32

“Rollins is full of crap. As much as she may not want it to happen to protect her job as a “real estate instructor,” the Marin housing market is not going to bottom until 2011 at the earliest. All the option ARM resets that are coming in 2009 and 2010 are going to wreck havoc on the Marin housing market.”

The thinking here really is that because we didn’t have a Subprime problem, it means we’ve escaped the meltdown….you know, because it hasn’t happened here YET means we’ve dodged the bullet.

Absolutely, once the IO and PayOption ARMS start to reset in large numbers for AltA and Prime FB’s, that’s when Marin will tank, as well as SF, Palo Alto, etc.

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Comment by Rintoul
2008-06-19 16:50:18

“…waiting another year?”
———–

BZzzzzzzzzzzttt!! Wrong answer!

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-19 15:07:27

Fiscal fitness is in, physically.

“With gasoline prices racing to new highs weekly, it’s crunch time for many gyms. Consumers looking to tighten their belts are giving up on tightening their buns in gyms, yoga classes and personal training sessions. Instead, they’re exercising the old-fashioned way: sweating for free at the beach, parks or on the street.”

Comment by Neil
2008-06-19 15:20:52

The “trickle down effect” of this bubble is *finally* hitting. Now that MEW is declining and people are having to live closer to within their means, I bet they’re scrubbing their credit cards for those monthly fees that could be cut.

I myself and doing it… but I do it every six months anyway. ;)

Has anyone else noted that the “observable” economic indicators seem to fluctuate? Restaurants are more crowded around paydays (in particular after a local employer *finally* has a normal amount of overtime), holidays, and sometimes at random times (where I cannot tell why). But then I turn around and find them empty.

Coworkers cannot shut up about gasoline prices either…
Forget paying for the gym.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Deflationary Jane
2008-06-19 17:05:26

Flex schedules are the rage now in my office. Lots of people have given up driving and are taking the bus.

More people leaving here too. We just had a going away party today for a staffer heading to Texas. We had a retirement for our MSO and a faculty person earlier in the month. My husband had two retirement parties to go to yesterday as well. His going away party, like mine, is tomorrow. I’ve never seen it like this before. That’s a 6% loss from 2 depts in the month of June.

 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-06-19 20:07:33

“Coworkers cannot shut up about gasoline prices either…
Forget paying for the gym.”

Bodes well for the Republicans in Nov. Along with a Shrub veto from “everything” coming from Capital Hill…McSame is a “shoe in” come Nov.

Gym, gasoline, mortgage bailout, Iraq , Afghanistan…I wonder what’s really on the mind of voters come Nov 2008.

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2008-06-19 15:31:14

You better be hard up before you give up a gym membership. My membership costs me ~45 dollars (at a higher end gym in FL) a month. That’s about a 1.50$ a day.

Where else can you get that kind of entertainment/enjoyment out of a buck-fifty a day? Seriously.

Comment by John
2008-06-19 15:41:27

Well…the park is free…as is the sidewalk and the beach…

You could by a Chinese bike at Wal-Mart for $100 that’ll easily last a few years.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-19 16:55:50

There are other activities that men and women of all ages, shapes, sizes and orientations enjoy that are completely free. ;-)

A buck-fifty a day? What, are you, Rockefeller? :-D

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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-06-19 20:48:33

“There are other activities…”

I think he should bicycle to a women’s / men’s volleyball contest at the local beach…or wherever. ;-)

What the he!! do I care …I not a Patriot…I’m a “menopausal democrat”…but honestly…I did not provide Rush Limpbaughs with any Viagra… & I really don’t care what Cheney over-heard in my “phone conversations”…

Lucy: “Charlie Brown you’re such a BLOCKHEAD! :-)
“& You’re stupid Beagle!”

Lucy: “Schroeder, Do you think I’m pretty?”

Schroeder: ” let me begin with Ludwig van Beethoven 9th symphony.

 
Comment by DebtInNation
2008-06-20 20:03:43

hwy50, I’ve read your post 3 times now and am still struggling to find any coherence in it.

 
 
Comment by El Pato
2008-06-19 22:35:36

>>You could by a Chinese bike at Wal-Mart for $100 that’ll easily last a few years.

Uh, not so sure on the longevity. I use my bike a lot, and WalMart bikes fall apart real fast.

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Comment by Starve_the_Agents
2008-06-19 16:36:54

…and $1.83 a day for the cable, and $2.16 a day for the cell phone, and 2.66 a day for the weekly skeet on the face of the neighborhood ho…

If people are struggling, cutting the little things help out tremendously… I like to look at from the other perspective:

$540 a year for the gym, $660 cable, $780 for cell, and $960 for that skanky hooker… nevermind the ’special shampoo’…

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-19 16:52:37

$1500 a year for cable and high speed is absolutely ridiculous. I just ditched the cable because I don’t really watch it. Was checking out the CNBC bozos for a while, but I’m sick of their blather. I just can’t cut the cord on the internet though.

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Comment by dude
2008-06-19 17:05:43

We’ve been cable and dish free for a year now. We watch nearly everything we watched before streaming on DSL, but on our schedule.

 
 
Comment by arizonadude
2008-06-19 16:53:00

40 bucks a month for a gym membership is cheap compared to 300-500 for medical insurance.I figure if I keep in shape I will avoid the crooks in the medical profession.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-19 17:01:00

Dude, if you were in the city of Tucson, you could work out at a city gym for all of 64 smackeroos a year. That’s what I do.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-06-19 17:04:31

I’m kinda thinking though, that alot of these people talking about ditching the gym membership to save money…don’t really go to the gym - except in January maybe.

 
Comment by Jean S
2008-06-19 17:14:42

I’d agree….bet it’s the same with yoga…the ones who will drop it are those who aren’t really committed. Long-timers will keep up their practice, because they know how important it is.

 
Comment by jb
2008-06-19 18:05:51

I dont have a gym membership but I think cutting it might not be so wise (I am fat, outta shape, etc). If you pay for it you might just go (assuming you can afford the gas to get there). Long term heath costs are probably a lot more.

 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 17:25:52

I could do without the prostitute comments, thank you.

PS
Admitting that you use prostitutes does not make you look cool.

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Comment by desmo
2008-06-19 17:40:32

Admitting that you use prostitutes does not make you look cool.

I agree Big V, a $960 a year hooker is not cool. Now if he was paying $960 a night, now that would be cool.

 
Comment by calex
2008-06-19 18:52:12

At least prostitute’s are honest. They tell you how much its going to cost before they fu….. you.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2008-06-19 22:42:40

Do the realtwhore before you give her the listing. It might even it out somewhat ! eh? hehehehehehe

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 15:11:59

“The 33,024 transactions statewide were down 6 percent from April and off 10.7 percent from May 2007. It was the worst May since 1995. The statewide median price stood at $339,000, 4.2 percent below April’s level and 30 percent down from the all-time peak of $484,000 in May 2007.”

WOW! If I’m reading this correctly price declines have accelerated to over 50% per year (i.e., 4.2% times 12). Is this how you guys are reading this?

Comment by dude
2008-06-19 17:08:20

That’s how I read it, grim yes?

From Ben’s post:
“November through January. That’s going to be the true test to see if this rally has legs,’ he said.”

I’ll be very surprised if this dead cat bouce lasts through June, let alone the whole summer and into the fall.

 
Comment by jbunniii
2008-06-19 21:09:19

A 4.2% monthly decline repeated over twelve months would result in a 40% decline, not 50%. (1 - 0.042)^12 = 0.597, which is just about 40% down. If we’re going to make fun of FB math, we need to make sure our own house is in order!

Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 21:47:03

A 100k house loses 4.2% in value a month (i.e., 4.2k). Repeat for 12 months, that is a loss of 50.4k per year. That is greater than 50%.

Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 21:50:37

I see now. It’s 4.2% of a declining number each month.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-19 15:17:07

“‘The typical seller in Marin, they can wait,’ said Corina Rollins, senior real estate instructor at the College of Marin for more than 20 years.”
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Smug sales approach

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“Rollins would do the same if she had a property to sell. ‘Why would I put it on (the market) if I don’t have to sell, in order to take less than I possibly could get by sitting around and waiting another year?’ she said.”

Comment by AdamCO
2008-06-19 15:21:50

What, again, will be better in a year?

Fewer foreclosures? Uh, no.
Looser lending? Uh, not by a long shot.
Lower interest rates? Give me a break.

Yeah wait a year. Smart idea.

 
Comment by betamax
2008-06-19 15:26:49

An RE instructor of 20 years is someone too inept to be a realtor…

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2008-06-19 16:04:00

Note that Marin county has more houses going into foreclosure than are being sold.

Pretty soon they’ll be feeling like Ol’ Yeller out behind the shed.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-19 16:55:55

Looks like there were FB’s a plenty “buying” in Marin. It doesn’t seem to be working out for them, or their snobby ass neighborhood, after all. Such is life.

Comment by dude
2008-06-19 17:10:02

A-ma-te-wa.

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Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-19 17:13:22

?

 
Comment by dude
2008-06-19 17:25:43

OOOOHHH OH, so is life, a-ma-te-wa, so is life.

Forgive the artist license.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2008-06-19 15:19:55

Cupertino’s prices will NEVER fall! Why? Because you can always open a brothel to make ends meet : http://tinyurl.com/6arsod

That’s the neighborhood for me!

Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 17:32:15

So much for the notion that having “rich Asians” in your neighborhood will increase its value. They still think prostitution is normal, even when the tutes are being forced.

Comment by jbunniii
2008-06-19 21:11:25

Not that there’s anything wrong with that!

 
 
 
Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 15:20:25

Has there any been a period in which housing prices have fallen more than 30% per year for entire states and no recession was declared. It is kind of surreal.

Comment by AdamCO
2008-06-19 15:23:10

It’s nuts. Well, last time housing prices fell 30% per year was the great depression.

 
Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 15:40:46

Here is a link. I know some get upset when I dont post a link, but most of what I hear comes from client alerts which I cannot post.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1929487920080619

 
 
Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 15:23:29

Moodys just downgraded MBIA to A2, Ambac to Aa3. This will trigger many systemic defauts in the securitization industry. Can we even prevent major banking collapses at this point if we wanted to?

Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-19 15:29:39

We don’t have a Great Caesar’s Ghost of a chance at stopping a financial meltdown in the banking sector, and we all know there will be bank runs sooner than later.

Say, what’s your money still doing hanging out there, anyway?

Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 15:34:01

I got into the last wave of 5% CDs. No more than 100k per bank. I just dont want to fight with the FDIC over it. The stock market actually went up today before the announcements, like I said its surreal. All insiders see D-Day coming, and yet stocks go up. I had the same feeling watching housing prices rise. I have never seen so much collective stupidity at any point in my life as I have the last 5 years.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-19 15:43:19

The only financial news the average joe gets, is the Dow Jones closing every weekday, so it’s imperative that the powers that be keep the jolly roger flying…

There is no excuse for anybody on this blog to have more than 10 Cents in any American bank, right now.

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Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-19 17:22:10

“There is no excuse for anybody on this blog to have more than 10 Cents in any American bank, right now.”

I’m going to have to disagree with this extremism.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-19 17:55:21

Banks aren’t worth a plugged Nickel, so I may have been extreme in valuing them @ double the going rate…

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 18:01:48

When you say “money in a bank”, do you mean deposited or invested? We don’t really have a better option than bank deposits, do we?

 
Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-06-19 18:40:20

Yeah, does that include the lowly checking account/savings account? Is wells fargo going to take my account?

 
 
Comment by friar john
2008-06-19 15:48:03

If all the insiders see D-Day coming, there must be an enormous amount of short bets taking place. Who is keeping the stock market up then? Is this my bi-weekly 401K funding that keeps the market on at least an even keel?

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Comment by Rintoul
2008-06-19 16:54:47

What about 2000-2001? You didn’t see collective stupidity then? Pets.com anyone? Etoys? Arriba? The list goes on and on and on…

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Comment by desmo
2008-06-19 17:48:56

I got into the last wave of 5% CDs.

The last “wave” of 5% CDs was well over a year ago. However CD rates are rising very fast right now, If buying I would not lock in over 3-6 months, rates will keep climbing.

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Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 17:51:36

I got into several 5% promotion CDs in January. Hopefully when they reset they still exist and I can invest higher. I have to keep jumping from bank to bank though to get the new customer promotions.

 
Comment by cactus
2008-06-19 20:55:41

3 month 3.25%
6 month 3.50%
9 month 3.50%
1 year 3.85%
18 month 4.05%
2 year 4.20%
3 year 4.50%
4 year 4.75%
5 year 5.00%

 
Comment by jbunniii
2008-06-19 21:21:19

Weird, right now at Citi it’s:

3 month 2.18%
6 month 1.98%
9 month 3.44%
12 month 1.98%

I wonder why the spike at 9 months?! My money market account with them is at 2.5%, so the 3, 6, and 12 month CD rates are wholly absurd, but the 9 month is starting to look OK.

 
Comment by tresho
2008-06-19 21:50:50

Amtrust Direct: Int APY
6 MONTH CD 3.450% 3.51%
9 MONTH CD 3.692% 3.76%
12 MONTH CD 3.923% 4.00%
18 MONTH CD 3.923% 4.00%

 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2008-06-19 21:14:18

I have never seen so much collective stupidity at any point in my life as I have the last 5 years.

More like 10-12 years - the dot com bubble was incredibly stupid, too, and there was barely a pause (9/11 and a few weeks of claptrap about “national unity” and “this will bring out the best in Americans”) between it and the housing bubble.

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Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 22:00:39

I need to hire you as my editor. You are right again.

 
Comment by Rintoul
2008-06-20 05:44:31

I take it you didn’t see my comment above? :)

 
Comment by Tim
2008-06-20 11:49:33

Budget only allows one editor at this time, but you are correct.

 
 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 17:34:36

Well, I’d bury it under a tree if I thought it wouldn’t get dug up.

Comment by Wickedheart
2008-06-19 18:05:04

Bad idea. My uncle buried Grandpa & Grandma’s gold in the back yard. When My Uncle died, my cousin dug up the entire backyard looking for it. They never found it. I was telling my neighbor about it at dinner last night and my husband said I know where it’s buried. You know what?, though, hahaha, I ain’t tellin’ nobody.

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Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-19 18:13:36

Better not tell anybody that you even know that there is such gold in existence. In fact, you may have already said too much in this day and age what with all the technology.

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2008-06-19 18:27:03

Well, it was a long time ago and it might already be gone. If they were stupid enough to say it in front of my husband, who else knows? My husband is honest, many of the other folks surrounding my Grandparents weren’t. My Grandmother’s jewelry was stolen by “friends”. Between stupidity, greed and thieves a trust of nearly a million (in the 80’s) was reduced to thirty five thousand. They had money in J. David. Gold digging stepgranny convinced Grandpa to move money south of the border and the peso was devalued. Money was missing and their lawyer took off to Canada and was never heard from again.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 15:30:55

This will require all the investment banks to continue to write down billions and billions. This is serious news.

Comment by friar john
2008-06-19 15:53:15

Serious, like a heart attack or serious, like the salad bar ran out of garbanzo beans? Hey Tim, serious question here, when is the secondary market for MBS coming back? It’s been 9 months now and the latest news I saw was the promoting of covered bonds, a la Europe, to help lending get going again. What whispers are you hearing?

Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 16:22:52

It wont come back until the investors are comfortable that the credit enhancers and liquidity providers will not be further downgraded, and they have comfort as to the full extent of defaults that will occur. We dont have to necessarily be at the bottom, we just need to be able to see it. I saw the downgrades coming, and see no clear bottom at this point. I think we have at least another 12 months of downgrades and no clarity as to where the bottom will be.

The most important thing to remember is that a lot of this crap was sold to entities that will only, or can only, hold AAA paper. Once it is downgraded below this level, the pool of potential buyers diminishes substantially. The investment banks wont be able to move it. While it is on their books they cannot do new deals as it ties up all their money. Their focus is staying solvent, forget about any profits. Thus, even if we they are comfortable there will be no further downgrades and that they understand the risk of default, unless they are wrappped by another triple A or the existing insurers get their triple A ratings back it cannot come back like it was. There are lots of investment restrictions that will prevent it.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-19 16:28:21

The public will figure out what’s what, when their accounts get downgraded from AAA, to zippity doo dah.

 
Comment by OCDan
2008-06-19 16:58:40

Zippity doo dah.

LOL!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-19 15:31:16

It would be interesting to see a flow chart comparing the banking industry of the 1920s to that of today in terms of complexity and how things are interrelated with Wall Street.

Comment by hoz
2008-06-19 21:59:43

Things are not good now. The current incestuous relationship on the street has killed banks for a decade.

Comment by rms
2008-06-19 22:28:19

“Things are not good now. The current incestuous relationship on the street has killed banks for a decade.”

Exactly right, Hoz!

This qoute from yesterday says it well: “Cash is the key to safe haven. This is about not losing your money, and not losing your job.”

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Comment by rms
2008-06-19 22:45:33

qoute –> quote

 
 
Comment by Joshua Tree
2008-06-20 02:08:32

Hoz:

“Things are not good now. The current incestuous relationship on the street has killed banks for a decade.”

Don’t forget the added complexity as a result of the repeal of the Glass-Stagall Act #2, a.k.a as the Banking Act 1935.

The whole point of Glass-Steagall was to prohibit private and surreptitious interaction between the commercial and investment banks of Wall Street.

There has been considerable political agitation since 1935 for its repeal, particularly from one former Chairman of the
Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan.

On 12th November, 1999, Glass-Steagall was finally repealed. Damn that Bush!

You can blame the repeal for everything that has eventuated since. Utterly the Shrub’s fault, and we should impeach the Chimp-in-Chief as soon as possible.

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Comment by OhMyHowFun
2008-06-19 15:57:28

Basic question here. Can someone help me understand what this will do to bond yield or price?

Comment by Tim
2008-06-19 16:27:41

See above. Many entities cant hold paper with these ratings so there has to be major dumping of bonds insured by these entities in a market already in trouble. Thus, it will have a negative effect on price for paper insured on such entities, and the rates on floating rate paper insured by such entities will have to go up or we will have failed remarketings to the extent that such paper has remarketing features.

Comment by KenWPA
2008-06-19 17:11:29

Tim, I don’t know how you can sleep at night with what you see on a daily basis. But thanks for keeping us all abreast, as the country slides ever closer to the edge of the cliff.

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Comment by dude
2008-06-19 17:33:14

At the risk of being accused of tin foil hattery, I find it interesting that this news hasn’t made it’s way onto the front page of Yahoo finance as of this writing, and this is easily the most important news of the hour.

 
 
Comment by Neil
2008-06-19 15:27:03

Off thread but relevant:

We’re dicussing “trickle down” spending on the economy. From news earlier in the week, we found that car sales are way down. (We’re at a 12.5Million”unit” rate, not the ~16.4 of a “normal year” or the 16.14M of last year.) Heck, China is on track to sell 10M cars in 2008!

When does the lack of salesperson commisons send us into a deep recession? Everything is pointing to people sitting at home. Note: Auto sales are certainly being hit by poor trade in values on the majority of the vehicles sold in the last few years. Although a few industrious coworkers are selling in very fuel efficient used cars (bypassing the dealer) to upgrade to slightly larger vehicles. Why? Carpooling is suddenly in fashion. I haven’t seen carpooling ever this trendy. Not even in the 1970’s. A few have realized the deals are on the V-6 and they can affordit; if they carpool, the 1 or 2 mpg hit for the “fun factor” over the base 4 banger is nothing in terms of TCO.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by OCDan
2008-06-19 17:02:00

Okay, Neil.

If we are on track to be down 3.5 million YOY, then, let us assume $15K per car. I will be VERY conservative. That’s a lot of change.

3.5 million x 15,000 = $52.5 BILLION. Ouch! Isn’t that slightly less than the entire pension liability of GM? Crikey. ‘08 could be the year that we see all the 3 US automakers die.

Wouldn’t that be something!

 
Comment by James
2008-06-19 18:01:32

Its all fun and games till our contracts get stretched out next year. Then the SHTF in our happy little Aerospace Universe.

I’m wondering if the tanker contract doesn’t get pushed out 4-5 years along with TSAT.

Then we will be back to free internet in the library again.

 
 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-19 15:37:46

In the meantime, the Craisglist house listing just gets longer and longer, having the same feel about it as when you squirt a hornet’s nest with water. Franticity.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-19 15:39:33

“We’re going to have just enough water to get by–keeping our trees alive and producing a small amount of row crops,” Hansen said. “There are a lot of farmers, however, who aren’t going to get by. Here in the Tulare lake bed area, some of the major farm operations are abandoning 5,000 to 10,000 acres of crops that are already planted.”

“Hansen said he wouldn’t be surprised to see 50 percent of the agricultural land in Westlands Water District fallowed next year. For cotton, plantings are down as much as 40 percent from last year, in large part because of low commodity prices. But, for the cotton acreage left, as much as 20 percent won’t receive enough water this summer to finish a crop. “It’s a dire situation,” Hansen said. “People are looking at losing their life savings, their farms, their livelihoods because of the cut in exports out of the delta. The investment of just getting a crop up here in California is huge and so are the losses if you don’t have the water to finish them.”

http://aquafornia.com/archives/3623#more-3623
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What’s it going to be California?

Water for crops, or water for people.

Can’t have both…

Comment by aqius
2008-06-19 16:29:25

“What’s it going to be California?

Water for crops, or water for people.

Can’t have both…”

it will be water for pools. ever seen a aerial map of how many pools people have? even in a northern city like Chicago, there are thousands of oval shaped above-ground doughboys. just incredible !

(don’t forget the ever essential golf courses. can’t have our industrious lawmakers here in Sacramento actually staying in session long enough to approve the budget on time. nossirree, all work & no tee time makes jack/jill a declasse’ proletariat)

Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-19 16:36:20

Metropolitan region’s per-capita use tops U.S. daily average as conservation pledges go unmet.

“The Sacramento metropolitan region has so neglected water conservation that it now ranks as one of the world’s most extravagant consumers of water, a Bee review has found.”

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/1024692.html

Comment by sf jack
2008-06-19 17:35:33

There won’t be any shortage of water for residents of SF and parts of San Mateo and Alameda counties.

At least not for the next couple of years… (and provided the transport infrastructure does not fail).

Just last week, Hetch Hetchy hit 100% capacity from snowmelt, the same as last year at this time.

Normal this time of year is 85% of capacity.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-19 17:44:31

ha ha

There is almost no snow left above Hetch Hetchy…

The rivers peaked about 3 weeks ago and have been dropping steadily since.

Too much heat, too soon…

Trust me, my vantage point is a bit better than yours~

 
Comment by Deflationary Jane
2008-06-19 18:01:24

I knew I picked a good time to get out of CA. Where I’m going there is plenty of water. Wish I could sell you some >; )

 
Comment by sf jack
2008-06-19 18:14:50

So if water doesn’t come out of the tap in San Francisco in 2009 or 2010 - you owe me what?

Let’s make a wager.

The problem with your vantage point is that you’ve lived in the Sierra for few years and have the belief you’ve seen it all. You must forget the water scares of the late 70’s and late 80’s in California?

Your recent winters, no doubt, were below normal for precip. These, however, were not nearly as dry as several year periods at other times in California over the last few decades.

Granted, there are more people here than back then, but not that many more. And further, 2/3 of all water use is for industrial and agricultural uses.

Residential communities will have enough water for the forseeable future.

If not, you win the bet.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-19 18:22:23

Let me guess, Jane, heading up here to the PNW? I have more water than I could ever use. Snow melt from Mt. Rainier runs right through my backyard. There’s also an extraordinary amount of groundwater in this area, and it’s shallow. The sump pump in the basement displaces tens of thousands of gallons each year.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-06-19 19:21:38

Jane is heading for St. Louis, MO.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2008-06-19 22:02:28

We’re all gonna die.

 
Comment by incredulous
2008-06-20 08:45:44

St Louis does have plenty of water, too bad it’s floating around in the atmosphere. Just wait until August, last time I went to St. Louis it was literally like stepping into an oven, and this was at 10:30 at NIGHT. At least in the deserts you get relief from the heat once the sun sets.

 
 
 
 
Comment by milkcrate
2008-06-19 17:08:25

Not inconceivable that water could be diverted to food crops for people (fruit trees, nuts, veggies) where the measurable food and fiber output were considered in the “public interest.” The rice farmers make friends with enviros because field flooding is bird friendly.
Jury is out on alfalfa, which requires huge water volumes to make it grow in the arid climes. Cutting alfalfa irrigation would flatten the huge dairy industry and cause economic distress all over the place.
It doesn’t look like the dam-building crowd is going to get more surface water storage. The lowly smelt, after decades, are winning in court.
Drilling platform-friendly (or is he?) John McCain likely would back the BLM on more storage. That assumes the snowmelt is adequate and there is water to store. Obama would back I do not know what. He wants to redistribute wealth. Water is wealth.

Now.
I have to use the word.
The urban/renewal water use patterns are not…
sustainable.

Used reluctantly cuz farmers used to recoil and say, “Sustainable? What fool talk is that?! My family’s been here farming 100 years. That’s pretty damn sustainable, if you ask me.”

Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 17:48:28

Sustainability will follow reduced immigration. Hint: If you already live here and don’t have enough, will you welcome newcomers?

 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 17:45:01

It has always tweaked me to see people washing their cars every week, watering their useless grass in the middle of the day for hours at a time several times per week, wasting hundreds of gallons of water in their swimming pools, etc. I really hope CA starts fining people over it because I prefer to eat.

Comment by wolfgirl
2008-06-19 18:51:22

We use a soaker hose for the small vegetable garden and my roses. The grass has to fend for itself.

Comment by Joshua Tree
2008-06-20 02:43:06

God! Where I come from (Queensland, Australia), soaker hoses have been banned for at least 5 years, as have lawn sprinklers.

Hand-held hosing of gardens or dogs or anything is banned, and you can only wash the windows, headlights and tail-lights of your car. Oh, you are REQUIRED to keep your licence plate clean, too, so that Constable Kodak can snap a picture of you if you are travelling 3km/h or more over the limit. (That’s about 1.8 miles per hour).

We have had a socialist party in power in Queensland for the last 19 years, apart from a brief 2 year hiatus.

Absolutely zero investment in water infrastructure - just rules and restrictions.

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Comment by aqius
2008-06-20 09:49:18

“Constable Kodak”

I LOVE that phrase! very apt in our camera-happy law enforcement revenue extracting US communities.

If you dont mind, I will use it often.(and of course give you credit, my Aussie friend)

while we dont have constables as a law enforcement title here in the ol US of A, I think many people will get the pun.

“Constable Kodak” . . . ah yes, rolls off the tongue nicely !!

 
 
 
 
Comment by LA Wallflower
2008-06-20 13:06:33

I got an email from Senator Boxer encouraging us Californians to look into water conservation measures due to the continuing drought conditions in NoCal, that may become “extreme” next year if conditions continue.

From this I know the problem is already far more serious than people think, since the politicians are always way late with this sort of pronouncement.

Navy Showers and “if it’s yellow, let it mellow,” everyone!

 
 
Comment by JohnF
2008-06-19 15:44:30

I have some questions.

When 30, 40 or even 50 percent of the sales in an area are from properties that were foreclosures just prior to the recent sale, how can a person get a true reading on home values in an area?

I could track sales on the local MLS all day, but what if half the sales (the foreclosures) are occurring outside the MLS at prices well below the MLS statistics.

Am I correct in assuming that the vast majority of REO sales are NOT reported on the MLS because theye are never listed there in the first place?

Do you have to track sales from web sites that get their data from county recorders offices that record all sales - MLS and bank REO sales direct to buyers?

Comment by dude
2008-06-19 15:55:16

Yes and yes.

Comment by JohnF
2008-06-19 16:08:52

Which web sites track sales from county records?

Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 17:50:00

zillow.com

there’s quite a lag time these days, though

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Comment by Mole Man
2008-06-19 20:48:48

PropertyShark.com and Trulia.com have both been doing better than Zillow recently. Zillow has been redoing internals, so that might have something with how they have gone way out of date. The lawsuits might also be related somehow.

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Comment by Deflationary Jane
2008-06-19 18:05:13

The Hiesenberg uncertainty principle of RE strikes again.

 
Comment by Lip
2008-06-19 19:20:43

The foreclosures are being considered in the market value, I can attest to this personally since I have a house for sale.

Anthem, AZ has just experienced an uptick in the monthly home sales and just about 100% of the increase is from foreclosures. So when a buyer goes to pay x on a house and the bank sees that some of the same homes have sold for 70% of x, the banks think real hard about lending x. The banks don’t care that the repo’s are torn up and need to be repaired, they look at $ per Sq Ft (per my realtor)

The banks have been real dumb, but they’re starting to see what’s coming.

 
 
Comment by dude
2008-06-19 15:53:03

In case any missed it yesterday the LA Times DQ zip chart is out:
http://dqnews.com/Charts/Monthly-Charts/LA-Times-Charts/ZIPLAT.aspx

This also means I get to give my long winded monthly report on my little corner of our workers paradise, on the off chance that somebody might actually be looking to make an educated decision regarding a property purchase in my neighborhood.

Palmdale 93552 sales for May sky-rocketed 52% higher over April to 41 big closings. Nevermind that this number is down 46% YOY, or that NODs outnumbered sales by 6.75 to 1. NODs, incidentally, were at 276 for May, which is just 383% of last years number, and beaten only by the record setting 316 for March. Something tells me lender owned inventory is growing…

For 93552 the median sales price dropped below the $200K threshold to $199,000 at a 46.2% discount YOY. Take heart though, when expressed as price per square foot it’s better. $122/Sq. is down only 42.5% from last year’s number. Overall the median is now off 47.3% from the peak of $377K.

Months of inventory actually improved significantly to around 12 MOI. That number hasn’t been seen since Dec. ‘06. Where are all the REO? Are we seeing the fall from grace of the all powerful MLS?

The “nicer” westside zipcode also experience increased sales MOM, even YOY, and MOI dropped from 12.7 to 8.3. NODs are enigmatically running 5 to 1 over sales.

I’d say overall I’m very satisfied with the progress of the “new affordability” in these zips, but I must say the evidence for ever increasing hidden inventory does not bode well for the coming fall/winter sales extravaganza.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-19 15:59:09

“With gasoline prices racing to new highs weekly, it’s crunch time for many gyms. Consumers looking to tighten their belts are giving up on tightening their buns in gyms, yoga classes and personal training sessions. Instead, they’re exercising the old-fashioned way: sweating for free at the beach, parks or on the street.”
________________________________________________________________

All of my adult life, we’ve celebrated the body, but disregarded our brains.

I suspect the tables are turning…

 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-06-19 15:59:57

Holy moly! Prices down 30% in one year in nominal dollars, more than one-third in real dollars, and still falling!

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-06-19 16:56:30

The Summer Solstice is tomorrow, another year halfway over. Talk of a late 2008 start to the recovery has sure died off quickly. When society returns from its annual summer distractions - what exactly are we going to be facing?

Comment by OCDan
2008-06-19 17:03:55

Panic!

Anyone?

 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-06-19 20:21:28

“When society returns from its annual summer distractions - what exactly are we going to be facing”

Txchick posting: The “salvation of ALL America” from that bastard & his wife…Hussein Michelle Obamarama… or something. She just can’t “quit him” :-)

“Yes, it’s become “A Fourth Day” :-(

Perhaps , she can earn salvation… with some astute… “day-trading” wealth transfer to “you all”

 
 
 
Comment by friar john
2008-06-19 16:02:51

“‘Being a home buyer right now is like being a kid in a candy shop,’ said Kathleen Ramos, a Realtor in Vacaville.”

Oh. You mean that if you actually want to buy something you’ll need to get money from your parents?

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-19 16:20:12

No, she means you should just look, like a little kid with no money.

 
Comment by HARM
2008-06-19 16:59:52

“‘Being a home buyer right now is like being a kid magnet in a candy shop knife factory,’ said Kathleen Ramos, a Realtor in Vacaville.”

Comment by dude
2008-06-19 17:21:13

Very funny. Thanks for the laugh.

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-19 17:58:50

hilariosity!!

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-06-19 22:00:58

“‘Being a home buyer right now is like being a kid in a candy shop,’ said Kathleen Ramos, a Realtor in Vacaville.”

Except that some of the candy is covered in ants (stripped foreclosures), some of it is still marked up to twice what
it’s worth, and some of the stores have that day after Halloween look (ragged appearance of neighborhoods with lots of foreclosures).

 
 
Comment by newbie
2008-06-19 16:09:18

Nice article….

Brokers threatened by run on shadow bank system
http://tinyurl.com/45zz6p

Comment by Mole Man
2008-06-19 21:04:17

“These things act like banks, but they’re not.”
— James Hamilton,
Economics professor

Game over, man, game over!

 
 
Comment by ThomasPS
2008-06-19 16:23:21

“‘We’re getting more consumers putting deals together,’ said Dave Walsh, president of the Santa Clara County Association of Realtors.

Lying sack of shit realtors… the number are showing the opposite.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-19 16:38:50

Whoa there, Thomas. Careful what you say about those sacks of sh!t I know of very few that hang out with lowlifes like realtors.

 
 
Comment by Mormon_Tea
2008-06-19 17:08:02

“‘The sales numbers are great, and if we can keep on that track we could have just a slight decline in value,’ said Scott Thompson, a partner in Mortgage Resolution Services in Carmichael. ‘But we’re still foreclosing on more than we’re selling, and that’s the troubling part.’”

And during the Great Plague and Black Death,
burial and body burning concerns turned in brisk numbers also.

The “troubling part” was that your customer base was contantly shrinking. Repeat business was quite the rarity.

Think of the current times as the Foreclosure River emptying into the Sea of Despair. The missing “equity” of millions of homes is the silt at the bottom, never to be seen again.

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 17:10:50

“It’s a home that I am buying, so once I have done that, I will not be looking at the price” he said, referring to whether his new home will gain or lose value in months or years to come.

Except every month when you have to pay your mortgage, and then again when you try to sell it.

 
Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 17:16:24

Rollins would do the same if she had a property to sell. “Why would I put it on (the market) if I don’t have to sell, in order to take less than I possibly could get by sitting around and waiting another year?” she said.

Um, because there is a much higher probability that the price next year will be lower, maybe? Or maybe because your ARM is going to reset sometime before next year, or maybe because you die or need to move into an assisted living complex?

More to the point, though: Why would anyone decide to buy an overpriced house in Marin when they would be better off renting it for the rest of their lives?

Comment by Red Baron
2008-06-19 17:53:58

Big V, you are exactly right. Only a fool would buy most of the condos on the market in Marin right now.

I have seen condos in Marin asking $450K that are next to identical condos advertised for rent for $1,800 per month. Do the math. That is a price/rent ratio of 20.8.

At that ratio, people would be better off renting in Marin for their entire lives and saving or investing the difference between the cost to rent and the cost to buy. Most of the condos in Marin with the exception of the ones in the San Rafael Canal District cost 40% to 100% more per month to buy than to rent.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

Comment by pismoclam
2008-06-19 23:03:33

But you forget the benefit of the tax deduction! hehehehehehe

Comment by Red Baron
2008-06-20 08:22:22

My calculations give the buyer credit for the additional tax deduction (even renters get a standard deduction) and property taxes. I assume 75% of the mortgage payment repays interest and the tax deduction on that amount is 25%. I also assume that 100% of the property taxes are deductible.

Without the tax deductions for mortgage interest and property taxes, it would cost even more than 40% to 100% more to buy those condos in Marin. Why the government allows people to deduct interest and property taxes for a home they personally live in, I will never understand.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

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Comment by reuven
2008-06-19 17:44:19

“Parag Panse and his wife made an offer to buy their first house - a four-bedroom in Sunnyvale - last week. Renters in Sunnyvale, the couple almost bought a home in 2003 and again in 2005. They finally took the plunge, after painstakingly researching the market and increasing their estimate of what they’d have to pay for a home in the Cupertino school district.”

Ha! These are the people who just paid $999,900 for a house half a block up from me. I paid 1/3 of that 17 years ago. I think if they had waited another year they could have had it for $600,000

Comment by Big V
2008-06-19 17:58:58

Have a house-warming party for them and report back to us on what they’re like.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-19 17:58:48

“The mountains are fountains of men as well as of rivers, of glaciers, of fertile soil. The great poets, philosophers, prophets, able men whose thought and deeds have moved the world, have come down from the mountains—mountain-dwellers who have grown up strong there with the forest trees in Nature’s workshops.”

John Muir

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-06-19 20:09:59

Mountains breed creativity and independence. Deserts breed doctrinaire fanatics. I give you exhibit A: The Middle East.

 
 
Comment by newbie
2008-06-19 17:59:17

Lol. These bumbling fools can’t even decide on what BS to spew…

“The Fed may have been taken aback by the degree to which markets built in chances of rate hikes after Bernanke promised to “strongly resist” a rise in inflation expectations.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/25267670

 
Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-06-19 18:04:04

“Siskiyou County now has the fourth fastest rising default percentage in the state.”

I’m thinking these mountain area properties could be second
homes. Do people live in the mountains year round?
I wonder how the gas stations are doing up at lake amador and all those other mountain villiages.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-06-19 23:21:21

Just went through Lake Shasta City last week. If I recall correctly, gas was well over $5 per gallon. The year round folks usually don’t have two nickels to rub together.

 
 
Comment by Curt
2008-06-19 18:53:39

“Fire officials said someone intentionally set a large Sebastopol home on fire, destroying the Gravenstein Highway South residence. Fire investigators found signs of a fuel being poured in several areas of the 8,000-square-foot home, …..“The fire was reported before dawn on May 11. It was considered suspicious early on because there was no power to the vacant home. The home, which was for sale, was considered a total loss.”

With the rising price of gas, it’s going to be more expensive to sell your mcmansion to the insurance company.

Comment by Joshua Tree
2008-06-20 03:32:07

Curt:

“With the rising price of gas, it’s going to be more expensive to sell your mcmansion to the insurance company.”

Droll, Curt, very droll!

Love it!

 
 
Comment by JCG
2008-06-19 19:41:16

“‘That doesn’t bode well for the high end, where so far, prices have come off their peaks but have generally held up best,’ LePage said.”

Wouldn’t one assume that these properties would actually have to be SELLING at these prices in order for them to be “holding up best”?

Comment by SDGreg
2008-06-19 22:10:17

I think you are correct that the apparent holdout in prices in some area is only an illusion based on lack of sales. It seems they’re the last to hold onto inflated wishing prices, followed by feeble attempts to rent at more than market rate but less than needed to cover the debt service. The units then neither sell nor rent. At the point the owners have to sell rather than want to sell, prices will have to be lowered to get sales.

Comment by incredulous
2008-06-20 09:00:35

I track closely 3 different subdivisions in 3 completely different areas (where I used to live in a different state, where i live now in CA, and my sister’s sub). Last summar I’d say there was about a total of 25 properties for sales amongst all 3 (out of say 400 total properties). Now there is a grand total of 2 for sale. Of the 25 on the market last year there were only 3 that actually sold (one REO). So anecdotally potential sellers are hunkering down waiting for the ever-elusive housing rebound, no doubt in deep states of denial and delusion. With the constant barrage of bad economic news and falling housing prices, I am quite surprised to say the least that there is no apparent panic selling in these areas yet.

Comment by DebtInNation
2008-06-20 20:33:42

I’ve been tracking homes in SD in the 500+ range, and it appears that there has been a flurry of more serious reductions lately.

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