June 27, 2008

Sales Will Remain An Anchor, Not A Lifeboat

The Miami Herald reports from Florida. “The median price of an existing single-family house fell in Miami-Dade and Broward counties by roughly 20 percent in May. The number of houses sold were down 31 percent in Miami-Dade and 8 percent in Broward for the year. Compared to houses listed for sale, the raw sales numbers are striking. In both counties, 33,678 houses were for offered for sale, yet fewer than 900 changed hands.”

“Existing condo sales dropped dismally from last year but. In Broward, the median plunged 31 percent to $138,900. Real estate agents have attributed Broward’s steeper declines to the high number of conversion projects. The two counties had a combined 49,255 units for sale; 1,059 were sold.”

“One heavily discounted example: A one-bedroom, renovated unit in the Roney Palace Oceanfront Condominium, last purchased for $460,000, was listed at $165,000.”

“In 2004, Gabhan Kenna, a real estate investor and landlord, saw an opportunity to expand his business in Broward. Leveraging his appreciating properties, he increased his portfolio to nine homes. He rented several as Section 8 housing. Four years later, Kenna faces foreclosure on all nine because the rental market won’t support the overhead.”

“‘I am a landlord for 10 years. I have three kids in school. I am 47 and I have hit a brick wall,’ Kenna said.”

“All nine homes are for sale at less than $200,000.”

“Baton Rouge, La. investor Jerry Harper bought a second home last month at the Cosmopolitan, a luxury condo. The unit was reduced to $350,000 from $565,000 two years ago.”

“He also bought a second unit overlooking the water for $155,000, which he plans to rent. ‘Well, gee, when that stuff prices at what my stuff in Louisiana is pricing for. . ., it’s a no-brainer,’ Harper said.”

From CBS 4.com. “Because of recent skyrocketing short sales and foreclosures in Miami’s real estate market, many high rise buildings now have mold growing inside. Even some of the most luxurious condos in town have been affected.”

“This often happens because owners who are going through short sales or foreclosures end up cutting off their AC, sealing up the unit, and never looking back.”

“Even if the unit owner is long gone, condo law lawyer Kristy Phillips says once a bank takes over, legally it has to act like any other owner. This is something she says many banks are resisting. ‘They’re not paying their assessment the majority of time; they just leave the units vacant, they don’t turn the power on or anything,’ Phillips said.”

The Sun Sentinel. “Palm Beach County’s median price last month was $330,900, down 15 percent from $387,800 in May 2007, the Florida Association of Realtors said Thursday. The county had 702 homes change hands, off 5 percent from 741 a year ago.”

“‘Sellers are willing to make concessions, but they’re not willing to come down to what I call the ‘frantic’ prices,’ said Douglas Rill of Century 21 America’s Choice in West Palm Beach. ‘Buyers are still trying to buy at frantic prices.’”

The Palm Beach Post. “‘We believe the bottom is behind us,’ said Mike Pappas, CEO of a Miami-based brokerage. ‘Prices are at their bottom or close to their bottom.’”

“He acknowledged that the mounting number of foreclosed homes is bad for home prices: ‘The catch is the foreclosure market.’”

“Falling consumer confidence, rising job layoffs and higher mortgage rates still stand in the way of a sustained housing rebound, economists say. ‘We do not expect residential real estate markets to turn around soon,’ said Stuart Hoffman, chief economist at PNC Financial Services. ‘In a sea of weak data, home sales will remain an anchor, not a lifeboat.’”

The News Press. “Statewide, the number of houses sold dropped 5 percent to 12,175 from 12,882 a year earlier while the median price dropped 15 percent from $239,000 to $203,300 in the same period. Sales edged up and prices reversed a downward spiral that’s been going on since October for existing homes in Lee County.”

“The median price reached its all-time high of $322,300 in December 2005. Compared to May 2007, the price was down 25 percent from $281,500, but the number of sales was up 43 percent from 575.”

“So far, at least, the bottom end of the market’s been driving the boom in sales, said Charles Richardson, regional senior VP of Coldwell Banker Residential Real Estate, Southwest Florida.”

“‘There’s been a substantial number of price reductions over the last couple years, and now you see great affordability in the market,’ he said. Even with the increasing number of sales, he said, ‘It’s still a very strong buyer’s market from a point of view of being able to negotiate aggressively with sellers.’”

“The number of condos purchased fell, from 351 to 257. Wendy King and Steve Kimball of Cape Coral are trying to sell the two-bedroom, two-bath canalfront condo they own on Tudor Drive for $299,000. They paid $340,000 in November 2005.”

“With direct access to the Gulf of Mexico, King said, ‘it’s a fantastic location and that’s a little less than what we paid for it three years ago when the market was great. We get very little traffic and maybe we’re asking too much, but we’re not in the position to lose $30,000, $40,000.’”

The Cape Coral Daily Breeze. “The housing collapse in Southwest Florida has caused great upheaval in realty and construction, and the numbers produced by the ESRI show just how devastating the home value drop was over the last year.”

“The average Cape home was worth $274,120 in 2007, but that number dropped to $219,781 this year. The northwest section of the city was particularly hard hit as the typical house’s value fell from $268,538 last year to $202,668 in 2008.”

“City economic development director Mike Jackson sees a silver lining in the numbers. While home values may be shedding even more value because of foreclosures, he pointed out that many homes in the Cape that are in foreclosure have no residents.”

“‘Thirty percent of those (properties in foreclosure) are lived in by people,’ said Jackson. ‘Seventy percent of those are investor homes that have never been lived in.’”

The Herald Tribune. “May sales in Sarasota-Bradenton climbed 11 percent from a year ago while rising 24 percent in Charlotte County-North Port. It was the third consecutive month of gains to the south and the second to the north.”

“Prices were another story, with only one market in the state posting a gain. Sarasota-Bradenton’s median sales price fell 16 percent last month to $246,200 from the same time last year. The median was also 8.2 percent less than April’s $268,200.”

“A total of 2,161 foreclosure filings — default notices, auction sale notices and bank repossessions — entered the court systems last month, a 12 percent increase from the previous month.”

“‘We are still having some difficulty with banks, because they haven’t been been set up to deal with these foreclosures and short sales,’ said said Helen Sosso, president of the Sarasota Association of Realtors. ‘But that being said, it’s getting better by the day. Banks are getting better at understanding that it doesn’t matter what is owed, that’s not the value of it anymore.’”

“Dave Richie, an agent in Sarasota, said, ‘If people can qualify for a loan, they are going to get one heck of a deal.’”

“He pointed to one of his listings: a four-bedroom, three-bath home with a pool in the Whitfield neighborhood that was worth about $390,000 a little over a year ago and now is going for $180,000.”

The St Petersburg Times. “A divided County Commission has approved Little Harbor’s request to allow daily rentals in 158 condo units. In a meeting earlier this month, representatives of developer Earthmark Inc. said the change would help make the Ruskin resort more appealing to tourists and decrease the project’s impact on surrounding neighborhoods.”

“But several residents who live near Little Harbor disagreed, arguing that late-night parties and traffic jams would destroy their peaceful community.”

‘That, Mariella Smith said, ‘is a Tampa hotel, not a Ruskin hotel. There’s no market for this in Ruskin.’”

From WMBB TV. “If you’ve crossed the Hathaway Bridge in the past year, odds are you’ve seen the Marina Landing. ‘This is probably the most beautiful condo on the whole coastline,’ says Project Manager Ward Pell.’

“The 16 story building has 87 units, only 30 of them occupied. ‘When you build something of this magnitude, it is disappointing,’ Pell said.”

“The project finished two years after the 2004-2005 housing boom, just in time to see the market slow down. ‘People can not close on their units,’ says Site Director Sue Levin. ‘This has happened to a number of developers and it isn’t just here it’s all over.’”

“A two bedroom condo initially sold for nearly 600-thousand dollars at Marina Landing. Now those unclaimed condos will hit the auction block. When bidding opens for 45 condos, half of them will have no minimum price.”

“‘We did a great accelerated marketing program for them and we hope that people can appreciate the beauty of this building and Panama City Beach,’ Pell said.”

The News Journal. “Falling home prices are encouraging more home sales and possibly signal a bottoming out of the declining housing market. Realtors in Volusia and Flagler counties sold 607 existing homes in May, down 6 percent from 644 homes sold in May 2007, according to a Florida Association of Realtors report.”

“The median sales price of an existing single-family home in the two county region fell 12 percent from $196,800 in May 2007 to $174,100 last month.”

“‘Our prices went up so fast in 2005, you can throw that year out as an abnormality. The decline in home prices is not as big as it seems,’ said Gloria Weimer, head of the New Smyrna Beach Board of Realtors.”

“Sales of existing condominiums in Volusia and Flagler fell 16 percent from 99 in May 2007 to 83 last month. That is below the 10 percent statewide drop in condo sales, but not as bad as the 54 percent drop in Jacksonville.”

“After months of home sales in Flagler County hovering close to 100, about 135 homes sold last month, said Jimmy Millhollin, head of the Flagler County Association of Realtors. ‘We are seeing a small rise in residential sales and inventory of homes is down,’ Millhollin said. ‘We are little different here.’”




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Comment by Doghouse Riley
2008-06-27 08:21:32

“All nine homes are for sale at less than $200,000.”

At $22,000 per house I might -just- be tempted to buy!

Comment by marionsucks
2008-06-27 09:53:23

Yes 22k per house would probably be realistic. We do have some houses in our town for You wannabe a landlords listed at 19k.

Only problem is , You better have a crew armed with AK 47’s if You need to go collect the rent or actually ever look at the place.

Yeah, about the Bottom. I’ve got a contract on a 1700 SF house Plus 2 car garage , Golf gourse view, and an OK neighborhood. I’m waiting on the Banks to come through. I’m not worried about losing Money , because I’ve done rehab for 25 plus Years and these are the Numbers.

Finished costs , after Total Rehab , will be about 60K. That’s less than 6 years Rent I’m paying on a Smaller house in a much worse neighborhood. less than 1 yr , Income and You can’t rent a one bedroom Condo for the PIT a 15 yr note.

If You can buy a House , like this , then it makes Good Financial sense. I’m not looking to make Money. I’m looking to save Money and be Debt Free in 3 to 5 years.

I’m sure the neighbors , who have their 1973 home that still needs remodeled for sale at 140k , aren’t going to like what this sale does to their comps. Sorry.

I’ve been having some issues with Financing , due to a bad roof on the garage, but I’m hoping I’ll get it done. If anyones interested I’ll be posting about it later on my ‘ Off the Wall’ site I’m playing with about Florida Real Estate . If You want to check it out, RealEstate4Idiots.com.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2008-06-27 10:49:34

Your writing style is terrible. It’s worse than no caps and no punctuation. Worse than all caps. If you ever want anybody to lend the slightest credence to your advice/blog/etc, you need to learn to communicate clearly.

 
 
 
Comment by Red Baron
2008-06-27 08:22:45

The Palm Beach Post. “‘We believe the bottom is behind us,’ said Mike Pappas, CEO of a Miami-based brokerage. ‘Prices are at their bottom or close to their bottom.’”

YOU FOOL! As the US economy sinks further into a depression, eventually the Realtors (TM) will stop calling a bottom. Then it might be time to start considering starting to look at the huge inventory Realtors (TM) will be BEGGING people to buy.

Do the following to survive the depression–post it on your refrigerator

1. Get and keep a job.
2. Rent so you can be mobile for your job.
3. Save at least 25% of your after-tax income and stay out of the stock market until the dividend yield of the S&P 500 hits 4% (it is about 2.4% now).
4. Eliminate debt unless you can pay it off if you lost your job.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-27 08:34:04

RB: Your survival tips change every week. I…can’t…keep…up!

Comment by Kim
2008-06-27 08:59:39

I don’t see the dividend yield on the S&P going to 4% anytime soon. Obviously as the stocks fall, the yields go up, but we’re already seeing companies cut their dividends. Although its been mostly the financials, we’ll likely see dividend cuts in various sectors across the board as times get tougher.

I’d like to be wrong on this. I have “house money” in CDs/money markets earning under 3% and I’d love to see richer yields for me and for all the savers.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-27 09:07:53

Anyone care to weigh in on Treasuries? I already have some of my “house money” in CDs and money markets. While the earnings aren’t great, I’m like Will Rogers. Meaning that I’m more interested in the return OF my money than the return ON my money.

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Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-06-27 10:17:19

how about TIP or tips ???????

 
Comment by Muggy
2008-06-27 13:28:04

I’ve got all my loot in TIPS at Vanguard and FRS. They’re o.k., they’d be killing it if food and energy were a true factor.

 
 
Comment by Tim
2008-06-27 09:24:23

I have my “house money” in cds and money markets as well. If you live in a falling area like CA or FL, that 700k house you are waiting to buy may fall 200k or more. Sounds like awesome returns to me. Also the stock market is falling. Comparatively, you are doing great.

It seems like the avg person in CA or FL making around $100k that lives in a 500k plus house before the pop with all other savings invested in the market is losing more than 100k per year in asset value. Now that has to hurt.

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Comment by Michael Fink
2008-06-27 10:41:36

I figured out (a while ago) that the median home in PBC was losing about 10K a month in value. Median income in this area is about 40K (or ~3-4K/month).

That stings; nothing like working all month, just to find out that you lost more then double your salary (oh, and for fun, you’ve leveraged up to the hilt, so it wasn’t you’re money at all, and now you OWE it).

Ugh.

 
Comment by George
2008-06-27 14:57:17

They owe it until they are smart and walk away from it!

 
 
Comment by Red Baron
2008-06-27 09:32:05

I think you will be surprised how soon the S&P 500 dividend yield gets to 4% as people realize that most major US banks are effectively insolvent.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

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Comment by Red Baron
2008-06-27 09:24:30

My tips have not changed except that I added the one part about the stock market. :) If my tips help only a few people, then they will have been worth posting.

What is happening to the US economy is a major, major deal. This is the big one, folks. The reality is that US consumers have hit the wall. They can’t earn any more, they can’t borrow any more, they can’t save any less (most already save nothing), and they can’t tap financial assets (most have few financial assets). This economy is going to crash and burn because US consumers can’t get any more money.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

Comment by NotInMontana
2008-06-27 10:12:08

I’m an active conservative GOPer and I am getting a little tired of the “we’re not really in a recession” spiel I keep getting from my fellow travelers. Got it again last night. Fortunately a guy at the table who knew better just shook his head and said, it’s different this time buddy.

Admittedly, I’m doing fine myself, and don’t plan to “participate” in a recession. But my money is safely in mmkt and CDs now too.

It’s embarrassing to see the shills try to cover it all up with happy talk because they think it makes US look bad.

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Comment by DinOR
2008-06-27 10:33:00

“they can’t save any less”

Well that’s been well proven! And I don’t want to argue those points. Here’s where I differ slightly:

With all the emphasis on “supporting housing prices at all cost” from finance to 11th. hour legislation what’s getting lost in the mad shuffle is that people ‘used’ to have disposable income! I know sounds crazy but they did.

If we simply let the market take care of the market, housing prices would plummet, people would take their lumps and then move on to homes that are actually in alignment w/ what they can afford. So rather than having HELOC-fueled orgies they would have an extra grand, two or three a month to spend on something else beside “their dream home”.

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Comment by michael
2008-06-27 10:54:56

“This economy is going to crash and burn because US consumers can’t get any more money.”

there is one avenue…they will elect politicians that will give it to them.

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Comment by BubbleViewer
2008-06-27 11:34:23

You are absolutely correct! A familiar story through history.

 
 
 
 
Comment by joe momma
2008-06-27 11:57:08

I think we will see the economy take a serious dive followed by much higher interest rates. The combination will put housing prices right where they should be. Much lower.

Damn I miss the Clinton years. Life was a lot simpler (and better), and all you had to wonder about was who he was banging. Like any of us really cared one way or the other.

I guess you get the government and country you deserve. Works the same for all countries.

Comment by wolfgirl
2008-06-27 15:02:02

At least we had a leader who was virile.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-27 08:23:09

Anchors of Weigh

 
Comment by Tim
2008-06-27 08:24:25

“In 2004, Gabhan Kenna, a real estate investor and landlord, saw an opportunity to expand his business in Broward. Leveraging his appreciating properties, he increased his portfolio to nine homes. He rented several as Section 8 housing. Four years later, Kenna faces foreclosure on all nine because the rental market won’t support the overhead. . . . I am a landlord for 10 years. I have three kids in school. I am 47 and I have hit a brick wall,’ Kenna said.”

Perhaps it’s time to get a real job where you are actually adding value rather than trying to get rich quick with little effort by taking advantage of others.

Comment by DinOR
2008-06-27 08:32:49

Tim,

“Leveraging his appreciating properties”

Be it in 2004 or whenever this is adding leverage ON TOP of existing leverage. The other problem I have with this is that much of it was mortgage broker driven. Aside from the fact these guys were flipping loans the way *txchick flips stock positions they were getting paid on BOTH ends of the loan!

Once to re-fi the existing and over inflated property and again on the newly acquired property. No conflict THERE!

 
Comment by Ann
2008-06-27 10:46:26

Being that he is a landlord of 10 years and 47 years old..he should have remembered the last housing recession that hit the South Florida market in the late 80’s into the 90’s…same situation of people being underwater in properties…sir..you are a “investor” you invested, therefore you took on risk..maybe you should have thought about your 3 kids as you leveraged your family and not just yourself…

Comment by DinOR
2008-06-27 11:49:10

Ann,

IMHO a lot of people that are “self employed” or are RE infestors aren’t so b/c they’re all that qualified. In many cases it’s simply that they can’t hold a job, show up on time, get along with others and a lot of other things most of us grasped in kindergarten.

 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2008-06-27 13:39:28

God forbid this guy should get a job and do something productive, rather than sucking money from other, productive people.

 
 
Comment by teufelhunden
2008-06-27 08:31:07

“‘We believe the bottom is behind us,’ said Mike Pappas, CEO of a Miami-based brokerage. ‘Prices are at their bottom or close to their bottom.’”

“He acknowledged that the mounting number of foreclosed homes is bad for home prices: ‘The catch is the foreclosure market.’”

If only it weren’t for the foreclosures we’d be at the bottom. In other words, prices are nowhere near the bottom and will continue to plummet. The glut of current and future foreclosures will be the millstone around the neck of this market, just like almost everyone on this blog predicted.

Comment by DinOR
2008-06-27 08:56:33

teuf,

Thanks for pointing that out. All of the RE experts keep trying to peddle more misinformation by saying “If it just wasn’t for all these darned foreclosures…”

Well firstly, who c-r-e-a-t-e-d all these “weak hands” owners and secondly what’s really more important is the sheer number of VACANT homes regardless of whether or not the specuvestor is current on their payments.

 
Comment by sagesse
2008-06-27 11:22:13

Miami Beach has thousands of condos that are being built as we speak, and thousands more just to the north in Sunny Isles. A lot are conversions from midlevel older hotels that now want to be luxury ‘this or that’. One project that seems kind of suspended in midair with not much building going on, is the ‘Ritz Carlton Club’.
Even the most expensive new condos do not seem equipped with hurricane shutters. And a price tag of 200K has a yearly tax tag of 6 K (plus insurance, HOA, maintenance).
If I am not mistaken, compared to 7 or 10 years ago, the little businesses on Collins Ave (which runs for 20 miles next to the ocean front buildings) seemed to be doing ok. Now, at least in my eyes, most look run down, tacky, the clientele in the supermarkets looks rather poor, just outside these expensive buildings. South Beach reeks of urine, steps from the Ritz Carlton Hotel, and there are many homeless, and much decadent narcissism.
I can’t help it, I get around.

Comment by DinOR
2008-06-27 11:51:24

Oh… you mean “urban grit”. Here in Portland we charge extra for that “authentic experience”!

 
 
 
Comment by salinasron
2008-06-27 08:36:18

“Falling consumer confidence, rising job layoffs and higher mortgage rates still stand in the way of a sustained housing rebound, economists say.”

You forgot to add high gasoline pricing, Alt-A mortgages, and CC debt into the equation. And it’s not just job layoffs but higher income job layoffs. What about divorces and medical expenses?

I don’t know about others on this blog but I’m in a state of ennui at this stage of market events. Yes, things are moving faster in some areas then I expected at this time but it is much harder to sit and watch those running back into the market thinking that they got a great deal and things are going to go right back up to peak values. We are nowhere near a bottom until this mind set is totally erased from the market place.

Speaking of bubbles, I saw the am tv news doing a confidential pastiche on investment in art and new record prices. Way, way, way too much liquidity out there.

Comment by Chip
2008-06-27 10:23:51

“Way, way, way too much liquidity out there.”

Volcker could fix that. I miss him, for that. Cigar and all.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-27 10:26:57

He could make a comeback. He’s an adviser to the Obama campaign.

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-06-27 11:07:04

is he telling bama to raise cap gains 60% ?
that will work great

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Comment by steadykat
2008-06-27 08:40:14

Let the comments begin!

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=005201aa-6596-4203-b3e9-a666ae138149

PALM BEACH GARDENS, FL– A struggling single parent and real estate agent is trying to sell her house and find a husband. She’s auctioning off both her home and herself in a package deal on eBay and Craigslist.

Single parent Deven Traboscia has been divorced for eight years. She had hoped to be remarried by now, so she is turning to the internet for help.

The real estate agent is auctioning off her Palm Beach Gardens home and herself on both Ebay and Craigslist.

Comment by Incredulous
2008-06-27 09:02:43

I’d bid two bucks for the place, but she’d have to PAY ME me a billion to take her, and agree to an instant divorce. That picture, with boobs thrust out come-and-get-’em style epitomizes Florida and the trash-jobs that have taken it over. Our major industries have gone from agriculture and fossil-life-support to breast-augmentation, lap-dancing, and HIV testing.

Comment by reuven
2008-06-27 09:10:42

She looks like every FL R-E agent I’ve ever met all rolled into one! (And that includes the male Realtors)

 
Comment by aimeejd
2008-06-27 09:14:06

LOL@boobs thrust out come-and-get-’em style.

 
Comment by Tim
2008-06-27 09:50:59

Did you spot Michael Jackson in the 5th slide? I would be too scared to date someone with that much plastic. How do I know its not my grandpa?

 
 
Comment by Kim
2008-06-27 09:04:34

Cinderella wanna-be?

Shipping cost of $500K = avoiding ebay auction fees. Wonder how ebay feels about that?

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-06-27 09:37:39

Well, Kim, I bet ebay’s not too worried about losing fees on that $500,000. Unless, of course, she’s actually got even one bid, which I doubt.

Comment by DinOR
2008-06-27 10:26:51

According to the article… no. No bids yet. BUT it runs until the 2nd so get those bids in fellas! You know, I’ve seen stories like this in the recent past and they didn’t end well either. Loved the “execu-slut” outfit though?

Please tell me people don’t actually go to work dressed like that?

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Comment by MacAttack
2008-06-27 10:38:19

“Please tell me people don’t actually go to work dressed like that?”

That depends on whether you consider selling houses “work.”

 
Comment by Ann
2008-06-27 10:55:43

Sorry to say..but I came from the South Florida area..where divorced bimbos are in fashion…when my brother came to visit he loved to go to starbucks..not for the coffee. but the easy/ married willing to fool around/semi divorced/divorced/divorced but looking for another sucker / who would walk through the door..with even less clothes and more plastic surgery and botox than this one!(most times the moms he said looked better than the daughters!)

He and the friends who came with him would have more “fun” in the 2 weeks he would visit than he ever could have imagined..He keeps asking me if I will ever move back!!

 
Comment by Michael Fink
2008-06-27 11:31:45

Ann,

Very apt description of S. FL (not so much N. FL). I’m not sure exactly why the women come here, but I know for sure why the men do. Of course, if plastic bimbos are your thing, that is. :)

It’s a great place to be young and single. Unfortunately, it’s also very difficult to have that much “fun” without a serious income (as most of these women are total leeches). Sometimes though, you find the divorced women that already took hubby 1-2 for all they were worth, and don’t need your money.

I just don’t understand what hubbies 1/2 were thinking marrying women like this without a pre-nup. I wouldn’t marry ANYONE without a prenup, especially a bimbo who’s 1/2 my age. Are these men really that stupid?

 
 
 
 
Comment by MacAttack
2008-06-27 10:36:48

European-loving?

Those aren’t real.

Comment by Toast on the Coast, 90803
2008-06-27 11:14:18

Are we sure she/he is not pre/post op. Looks like a drag queen to me

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2008-06-27 11:19:47

God I love FL.

:)

Wonder where she lives; I will look it up.

 
Comment by mikey
2008-06-27 11:26:30

Saw the photos of that RE bimbo, her spawn that has the McMansion (with Benefits) for sale. God help the poor FOOL that she sets her sights on :)

Almost worth paying to have a bodyguard and a lawyer on call just to keep her out of CLAWS AND BEAK range…What a mess !

You can bet your bottom dollar that she KNOWS some lawyer :)

 
Comment by reuven
2008-06-27 11:36:28

Florida has a “Defense of Marriage” initiative on November’s ballot, to make sure that Marriage remains holy for decent people like this R-E agent.

 
Comment by Michael Fink
2008-06-27 11:54:13

Ok, so for all the details, you just have to look at the lovely FL Public Records system (the most insane thing EVER put online, it’s like the most disgusting invasion of privacy ever, but, whatever, so be it).

The address of her home is:

8044 Via Hacienda, Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33418

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=8044+via+hacienda+palm+beach+gardens&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

Even though this thing has a PBG address, it’s actually really in Riveria beach, a total warzone. This house isn’t in a terrible location, but it’s NOT a good area either.

Believe it or not, it looks like she only owes about 80K on this home:

http://oris.co.palm-beach.fl.us/or_web1/details.asp?doc_id=66874&file_num=20000066695

But who knows how accurate those records are.. Also, she has a ton of sealed documents; which usually indicates that she has spent lots of time in court. ;)

Comment by Tim
2008-06-27 12:30:23

You are never getting my last name.

Comment by Michael Fink
2008-06-27 12:53:29

Trust me, I HATE that I can do this. It’s a horrible system; one that has not caught up the level of technology that we have. Putting public records online needs to stop; I should not have this kind of information on other people.

However, the system is what it is, and, for the time being, it’s just a total free-for-all. And, because of the structure of the Internet, it’s probably a genie that can never be put back in the bottle. Our whole lives have become public record, something that the people who designed “open records” never intended.

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Comment by reuven
2008-06-27 16:28:21

The curious thing about all these public records is that newpaper reporters. Many a time a quick check of Florida public records reveals that the latest sob story in the newspaper is a bunch of BS. You’ll see that the person has 3 homes and 6 mortgages, etc.

 
Comment by reuven
2008-06-27 16:30:14

The curious thing about all these public records is that newspaper reporters never check them. Many a time a quick check of Florida public records reveals that the latest sob story in the newspaper is a bunch of BS. You’ll see that the person has 3 homes and 6 mortgages, etc.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-27 08:42:39

Imagine being underwater financially, and then just underwater.

Flatlantis

Comment by DinOR
2008-06-27 08:52:17

aladinsane,

My favorite from the tech wreck was:

Post-Margin Depression

Leveragitis?

Comment by oxide
2008-06-27 12:36:54

My fave from the tech wreck was a newspaper ad from for a local health club: ” Dot Commers! Look good when you lose your shirts.”

 
 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2008-06-27 08:45:42

When I read these Florida sales statistics, I have to scratch my head, because not only do I see almost nothing selling here, but I know no one who is even pretending to be interested in buying, and I have several acquaintances who desperately and fruitlessly have been trying to get rid of their houses for many months. The houses with signs in their yards today are the same ones that had signs in their yards last year.

Comment by Chip
2008-06-27 10:27:28

Snake - did you see the Larry King piece with Barbara Corcoran talking about how to sell any house in a week? Show that to the desperate ones and they’ll either sell or like get more quiet about their problem.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-27 08:49:51

Soy-Lent Green

“Because of recent skyrocketing short sales and foreclosures in Miami’s real estate market, many high rise buildings now have mold growing inside. Even some of the most luxurious condos in town have been affected.”

Comment by WT Economist
2008-06-27 08:51:53

I just had a vision of the kids living in the abandoned city at the end of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

 
Comment by reuven
2008-06-27 09:14:45

Many have said here numerous times that any new home or condo in FL that stays empty for a few years will probably have to be torn down. Without any dehumidification, and if there are any construction problems causing leaks that nobody noticed (very common if FL), the house will be a big moldy mess.

And I’m not talking about a little mold that crazy people blame for all their problems and their kids ADHD/Autism/etc. I’m talking about big blobs of sticky black mold on every wall.

Comment by SDGreg
2008-06-27 10:24:45

““Because of recent skyrocketing short sales and foreclosures in Miami’s real estate market, many high rise buildings now have mold growing inside. Even some of the most luxurious condos in town have been affected.”

“Many have said here numerous times that any new home or condo in FL that stays empty for a few years will probably have to be torn down. Without any dehumidification, and if there are any construction problems causing leaks that nobody noticed (very common if FL), the house will be a big moldy mess.”

For those that would like to drag out the process of price declines, one of the unintended consequences may be greater deterioration of that housing - money going to debt service that could be going to maintenance, places sitting vacant and unmaintained, etc.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-27 09:19:53

Make that…

Soil-Lent Green

Comment by Lane from s.c.
2008-06-27 09:40:42

I gotcha now. I thought you talking bout something to eat. ;-)

Lane

 
 
 
Comment by Robert London
2008-06-27 08:57:56

Only 9 of the Marina Landing condos sold at the auction today. The owners cancelled the rest of the auction due to the poor results. Not very surprising.

Comment by destinsm
2008-06-27 09:13:49

Panama City Beach, Fl

Marina Landing condo auction sells only 4 units…

http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/21827734.html#

 
Comment by DinOR
2008-06-27 09:20:55

Robert,

Then it wasn’t really an auction then was it?

Comment by Chip
2008-06-27 10:31:07

D - that’s what I hate - there needs to be a term applicable to fake auctions that are just high-publicity sales rallies.

Comment by DinOR
2008-06-27 11:59:59

Chip,

One of the things that has amazed me is that someone hasn’t followed or bothered to read the U.C.C ( Uniform Commercial Code ) Any attorneys feel free to jump in.

Over the last several years things have gotten so perverted that these hucksters seem to think if there isn’t a specific Truth-in-Lending Act or RESPA reg. specifically applicable to their situation they’re free to employ everything from bidding shills to sign twirlers and everything in between.

( Some towns have specific statutes regulating advertising )

We still have a U.C.C don’t we?

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Comment by Mormon_Tea
2008-06-27 09:13:00

“‘We believe the bottom is behind us,’ said Mike Pappas, CEO of a Miami-based brokerage. ‘Prices are at their bottom or close to their bottom.’”

If you mean for this minute, or hour, you might be right. For tomorrow, next week, next month, or next year, there will be lower lows. You should be out of business by then, Pappas. At that point, your CEO designation will mean, “Chasing Every Opportunity”. “Miami-based brokerage” will be as moribund as “Asbestos insulation factory”.

Comment by palmetto
2008-06-27 13:53:42

I dunno, my bottom’s always been behind me, for as long as I can remember.

 
 
Comment by Alaskan Pete
2008-06-27 09:32:22

[i]““So far, at least, the bottom end of the market’s been driving the [b]boom[/b] in sales, said Charles Richardson, regional senior VP of Coldwell Banker Residential Real Estate, Southwest Florida.”[/i]

umm, I don tink dat word meenz whut you tink it meenz.

[i]“‘There’s been a substantial number of price reductions over the last couple years, and now you see great affordability in the market,’ he said.”[/i]

This babble winds me up. Affordable? Please. When the median hits 2x median household income, come talk to me about affordable.

Comment by Alaskan Pete
2008-06-27 09:35:14

Hmm, wrong syntax. Maybe this boom works.

 
 
Comment by EggMan
2008-06-27 10:05:26

“City economic development director Mike Jackson sees a silver lining in the numbers. While home values may be shedding even more value because of foreclosures, he pointed out that many homes in the Cape that are in foreclosure have no residents.”

– I don’t get how this is a silver lining. 70% of the houses in Cape Coral have no residents. Wouldn’t you think that if the area had some reasonable amount of economic activity, people would be living there? Generally speaking, housing is for people with jobs. No jobs - no people. No people - empty houses. I visited CC many years ago when it was overgrown and reeking of it’s last failure. I can’t imagine what it looks like now. What were these people thinking?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-06-27 10:28:34

I doubt that thinking entered into the equation.

 
Comment by marionsucks
2008-06-27 11:07:32

I think He means the ” Silver Lining” is ,
70% of the Houses were owned by Out of State “Investors” who will lose ” Millions and Millions and Millions” of Dollars, but at least We won’t be putting a Bunch of Homeless people and Children on the Streets because …………..

They built all these Houses for all ‘ Rich Boomers” who were supposed to come and Live here and make them Rich.

Keep Repeating…………… If You Build it , They will come…. If You Build it , They Will Come. IF YOU BUILD IT , THEY WILL COME!

 
 
Comment by Chip
2008-06-27 10:34:10

“One heavily discounted example: A one-bedroom, renovated unit in the Roney Palace Oceanfront Condominium, last purchased for $460,000, was listed at $165,000.”

No that’s some truth in reporting. Yep, a 63% reduction is a heavy discount indeed. And that was off the last purchase price, not some phony asking price.

 
Comment by Giacomo
2008-06-27 10:53:35

“‘Our prices went up so fast in 2005, you can throw that year out as an abnormality. The decline in home prices is not as big as it seems,’ said Gloria Weimer, head of the New Smyrna Beach Board of Realtors.”

Why stop there, Gloria?
When we get back to 2001 prices, you can “throw out” the idea there was ever a bubble OR a correction, and go on touting whatever “cherry-picked” rate of RE appreciation serves your purposes.

 
Comment by Muir
2008-06-27 12:24:37

I love the smell of napalm in the florida morning.

 
Comment by DC in LBV
2008-06-27 13:03:19

“He also bought a second unit overlooking the water for $155,000, which he plans to rent. ‘Well, gee, when that stuff prices at what my stuff in Louisiana is pricing for. . ., it’s a no-brainer,’ Harper said.”

________________

Yup, Mr. Harper has no brain. He said so himself. Why else would anyone buy in S. FL right now?

Comment by spike66
2008-06-28 05:05:08

Good one. LOL

 
 
Comment by diogenes (Tampa)
2008-06-27 14:14:34

“With direct access to the Gulf of Mexico, King said, ‘it’s a fantastic location and that’s a little less than what we paid for it three years ago when the market was great. We get very little traffic and maybe we’re asking too much, but we’re not in the position to lose $30,000, $40,000.’”

Well, gee, if you’re not in a position to lose 30-50k, then what business do you have speculating in Florida condos?
You fools!
You just bought it a few years ago. It was obviously a “gamble”, since you aren’t holding beyond the 2 year minimum required to get your “tax-free” sale. So, all I can say is “too damned bad”. Eat crow.

AS that television pseudo-detective “Baretta” used to say: “if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.”
(Probably a bad example, as he has his own legal problems.)

Comment by Ted
2008-06-27 19:59:51

Beretta is free, but these people remain in their condo prison. Which comes first, not being able to afford to pay for a depreciating asset, or not being able to lose more than 40K? I’m picking the former.

 
 
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